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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 9: Judges Are We All.: Archive through September 03, 2007 users admin

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Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Tobar7 I was just thinking about the same thing when I seen your topic! I was thinking People in Glass House. As everyone condem and dissect things we see and hear in the BB house how many times could our actions or stupid comment be blown way out of proportions? Us fans tend to get so involved in these HG we blur the line. We for the most part are not family etc of these people. I'm sure we have all said or done something that we regret. Yes I know they should know the cameras are there but I'm sure they get so used to them they forget. How many of us with kids have heard a child repeate something we didn't even realise or mean for them to hear? When this show is over its over but the HG face either fans or angry fans, Put our selves in there place how would we feel?

Stopthemadness
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07-15-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 6:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopthemadness a private message Print Post    
I think they are all guilty - Off with their heads!

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 6:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
Seattle-

When I hear a young kid say something that a young kid should not say, I judge the kid's parents for not teaching the kid any better. That is the immediate reaction. I'm also glad that the kid is not my kid. I do not have to spend time getting to know the kid or the parents personally so that my call is more accurate. Life is too short for that. Odds are that I'm right. And if I'm wrong? So what? I'll probably never know. You call 'em like you see 'em and move on. Some days you win, some days you lose and some days it rains.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 6:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
As far as the "glass houses" thing- people judge me as well. It is only fair. Hell! It is more than fair. It is the way of the world. That is why I wear nice clothes to a meeting with new people. You only get ONE CHANCE to make a first impression.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Of course we judge. I can't find reason to watch the show if that's not an option.

I don't buy for a moment that every single houseguest isn't exactly as they show themselves to be on the show. No way can anyone act a part for very long, much as so many have tried. The real comes out and stays out. They are what they are and they chose to put themselves in front of cameras 24/7. I just wish for once that they'd quit with the "I never lie" crap and talk about their "integrety". Please.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
Right on Chippy.

I wish they would stop using the "It is just a game" excuse every time they do something bad.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
IMO, it's all in what one chooses to do with their judgments that counts the most.

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
I agree Chippy- These people knew what BB is...it's not like it's the first one..it's #8.

I also believe that what you see is who they are.
Look at Janie..Kaysar..even Howie..Will (I could go on) all of these people were the same people in the house as outside the house.

We have all seen the way these people have treated each other..last night dick was talking about how he was at a traffic light and had a problem with a guy in a brand new mercedes next to him..dick said he whipped a taco bell bean burrito at the guy in the mercedes and hit him in the face and when the guy started to get out of his car..dick threw his very large drink and it spilled all over the interior of the mercedes. dick drove away.
That sounds exactly like the dick in the house!

I think we have every right to make a judgement call.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
Every right! Yes we do!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Was it iced tea?

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
I'm sure it was ice cold with a little condensation on the outside of the cup. Might have even had a straw.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
I don't necessarily agree that what we see is a true picture of who the houseguests are.

I believe we see the true character of Dick, Daniele and Eric. They have let their good and bad be shown in all it's glory.

Jameka, for instance, has been quiet and reserved through much of the game. Occasionally she lets us see a glimmer of the person she may be outside the house. Sexual references, a malicious lie here and there, a snap in the quiet to call some nasty names, then the smooth facade is once again in place. I also found it interesting that BB let Dick and Dani tell their "I am so bad" stories, but when Jameka launched into her thieving college days, we got trivia.

Jessica appeared for much of the game to be a bubbly upbeat college girl with a great heart. Destined to be the sweetheart of this year's BB. During the past couple of weeks, we've seen glimpses of a much nastier disposition show through.

Zach has made some curious statements, but has remained pretty stoic and quiet through the whole season.

I think we've yet to see the true Jameka, Jessica or Zach. Good or bad, they are playing a part on a TV show. They are cognizant most times of the cameras running and how they are portrayed.

Dick, Dani and Eric are certainly aware of the cameras, but appear incapable of changing their behavior because millions are watching. Or maybe they don't want to.

All I know is that it's difficult to judge without all the facts.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
You will never have ALL the facts in any situation. You have to make your call based on what you have at any given time.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
More simply put than my post above, the percentage of the facts we have for each houseguest is seriously skewed.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
What version of Jameka is the REAL Jameka? Or is the real Jameka an amalgam of both - just as we see on the show?

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
Jimmer and Tobor- LOL..it was soda..(with the condensation..not sure about the straw)

Bicbic- I like the way you write!

I think that the Jameka, Zach and Jess ARE who they appeared to be. Remember in the beginning of the summer- Jess was not such a sweet person. I think Zach is just what we see..a composed guy, who doesn't fly off the handle. I think you mentioned all the different sides to Jameka.

Honestly- we do have all the facts..if you are watching the live feeds- the facts are right there.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
The facts are certainly there. A lot more facts than you have about MANY MANY more people that you deal with in real life in fact.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Real Jameka IS a mix of the old person and A new christian.

Lots of people are like that.

Just because you are a Christian doesnt mean your years of character traits suddenly disappear (getting snappy when irritated for instance) or that your personal history suddenly is dissolved.

i feel very strongly that Jamekea has been judged more harshly than even Dick.


and that is indicative of Our Person Biases as to what We feel a Christian should act like.

Jason, BB3, never flinched, looked disgusted or even left the area when Chiara asked him if she could pee in his mouth. Instead he smiled and kept making personal conversation

No one started threads about how fake jason was, how he had no problem massaging the women etc.

i sure hope people are not judging Jameka more harshly because of her skin colour

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
I completely agree with the real life sentiments. I can't stand when people say, "It's just a game. They aren't like this in real life." How you play the game does show how you are in real life. Often people can fake being one way or another for a little while but after long periods of time and under stress the real them usually comes out. Sometimes it takes a while to really see the whole person because things are going well for that person but when people are on the block and on slop or have the house start turning on them then we get to see what kind of character that person really has.

I also don't think that people who only watch the TV show (or even those who read the boards but don't have the live feeds) can make good judgement about the houseguests because they are missing so much information.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
I really have to say that NONE of us can understand the pressure that house is. The paranoia, the isolation, the lack of stimuli.

I honestly believe their negative behavior are show cased because of the pressure of the house.

They talk about things they normal wouldn't. They are forced to trust strangers.

As the majority seemed to vote....the house is much more difficult to live in than we can imagine.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
One more thing to add...then I have to go to my family reunion.


Line ten people up sitting next to each other, all of them facing a truck. Each of the ten people are asked to draw the truck.

Everybody is looking at the same thing, but their drawings are all a little bit different. Why?
Because each sees a bit of a different angle of the truck.

No drawing is wrong, but the are all different. They all show the "facts" from their point of view, but each view is different.

One poster claiming something as FACT because they saw it...doesn't mean another person cant watch the same thing and come up with a different fact. Even tho they see the same thing.

Human behavior is NEVER a fact based on another persons judgement. We all see things a little different and that is called perspective.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
Good points. The 10 people are all qualified to draw the truck no matter how poor their artistic ability.

They do not need to get in the truck, drive it, look under the hood or walk around it to draw it. They draw what they see. If someone DOES decide to walk around it before drawing, then that does not change the validity of the other drawings.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    

<----- Waves at Kearie & Tobor from her truck!

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
LOL Mamers.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, September 03, 2007 - 3:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Hmmm... if all people draw the truck from different angles, because that is how they see it - are their drawings factual, or hindered by their limited view? I would suggest that their drawings are more 'representations of their perspective' and not exactly factual. And if I were drawing a truck, frankly, I'd be surprised if anyone actually recognized it as a truck.

There is a difference between perspective and fact. A fact is something like an exact script of a conversation.

But what the conversation meant to each of the participants, interpretations of their motivations for their statements, and what it all 'really means' is not fact. It's interpretation based on our own very biased perspectives.

Which is why I try not to judge (even tho I do). I may say I don't like this or that behavior, or I find a certain behavior abhorrent. That is quite different from judging the participants. Very very different!