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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 9: There's A Line In the Sand....Where is the Level Playing Field?: Archive through September 08, 2007 users admin

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Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
There was a lot of outrage on this board when Jen "cheated". It wasn't seen as "small stuff" then. I agree that the whole game is trivial and shouldn't be taken too seriously, but then we are all guilty of that!

I just like fairness. If Jen was punished for breaking a rule, then Dick should be too.

Hypermom
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08-13-2001

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
The poster told him to delete it because it would be copied and pasted elsewhere. Just as it has.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
There probably won't be letters from family any more unless they are written before the game begins. All baskets should be prepared before the game begins and stored until the HG wins HOH.

I guess the thing that gets me about this is the fact that Dick made such an issue out of Jen's cheating and breaking the rules. He has repeatedly claimed that he has played with integrity. He acts like being a liar even in the context of the game is the worst thing a person can be. And his calling Jameka a hypocrite now seems laughable.

He accused Jen of making a mockery of the house. Was this all just gameplay. Was there no honesty at all in Dick? Does he really believe that cheating is acceptable as long as you don't get caught? And there are rules in the game. And no outside "hints" is an obvious thing. They would not go to such lengths to prevent it if it was not important to the game.

No, the letter was too late to make a difference, and possibly he can get a pass because of that, but to just shrug it off as not important is just bizarre to me.

And I agree Sanfran, it is worse. Because it was planned before he went into the house. It was a blantant attempt at cheating, where Jen's was a result of weeks of verbal abuse, and frustration over BB not keeping their word to her. His was planned well in advance. Hers was planned in a matter of minutes. Yeah, his is worse.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
Well, when you admit to cheating, what do you expect? It's pretty big news.

Tvwatcher
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04-17-2004

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvwatcher a private message Print Post    
because it would be copied and pasted elsewhere for proof

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Sanfran thanks for that link and the post, I read Vincent's post. Then I read the posts from others afterward, and it would seem you are already a "celebrity" over there because someone posted for Vincent to remove his post so no Dick "haters" get hold of it. Then someone else posted, that it was too late because some TVCH @#$@!S!$ had already posted it. LOLOL

What was intersting also was to read Eric's brothers post in that folder talking about how BB made him edit his letter to Eric three? times, should Eric have won HOH.

I think Vincents letter to Dick, on surface didn't show any hidden information and we probably all would have never known. At first when Dick was reading it, and tearing up, I was truly happy for him, because he's always made it clear how close he is with his son. As Vincent said, his dad just can't keep his mouth shut. And Dick didn't, and thats why this folder is here now. What we don't know, we don't know, but when we know something (Dick's totally admission of the code system), then I believe BB should at least investigate it in accordance to their rules.

The one thing that irks me about BB is why they keep their rules such a secrecy, because it would certainly help the viewers in not making assumptions on their rules.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
In my opinion, I think Dick thinks that lying and cheating are wrong unless it's for his benefit. He's done it all yet cried foul when others have. Funnily enough Eric took the lying in stride and didn't freak as I thought he would.

Kalekona
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06-12-2005

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kalekona a private message Print Post    
I so sick of this argument.
There has been other code through out the years.

And there was a big difference between a coded letter and Jen eating. If you can't see that just ask Jameka which would bother her more.

Tvwatcher
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04-17-2004

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvwatcher a private message Print Post    
There has been other code through out the years.

I can't find the video proof of that - is it on youtube?

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
What other code Kale? I don't recall that.

Tissy
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07-28-2003

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tissy a private message Print Post    
I get that it's not "playing by the rules"; don't know how the PTB will look at it. I don't agree with what they did but in terms of game I don't see that this letter has changed anything. If the code was in a previous letter then maybe but at this point it is very clear Jameka and Zach against Dani and Dick. Dick didn't need Vincent to clue him into that.

Doesnt that depend on when the letter was written though?

Dick could have won HOH a few weeks ago and the `coded` letter may have had more of an outside influence then.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
Quote from Eric's brother

"And I would have seriously considered attempting it but Eric made me swear I wouldn't - not b/c of integrity - but b/c he was afraid he'd spend the next week reading things into the letter that weren't there and psyching himself out." }

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
I know, Jen eating brought serious ramifications to outside information being leaked inside the show. Whew! That apple and turkey burger were filled with info!

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Actually I think Jameka would be more bothered by Dick's cheating, but what does her opinion on this matter anyway?

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
You've already posted that quote Milo. What is that to prove? That Eric's brother didn't cheat.

We know, Vince is the one who did.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I remember Dani and Lisa on BB3 driving Roddy nuts with their sign language. They used it to communicate behind ev1's back. Not the same thing of course, but it happened.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
I remember Chiara's 'secret' finger code..LOL..she didn't get very far keeping it secret tho!

And in BB1 I think Jamie and somebody got caught pointing to words in the bible.

The HG will always try to get over on BB, some succeed and some don't!

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
Actually, Dick didn't cheat, again, we haven't seen the rule book.

However, we do know that Jen cheated because we have been told that rule.

Tvwatcher
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04-17-2004

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvwatcher a private message Print Post    
And I would have seriously considered attempting it but Eric made me swear I wouldn't

yet BB still dissected his letters and made him alter/remove 2 sections that they were convinced contained code

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Sanfran, you are always on top of things and are not afraid to speak your mind to the powers that be. I love that about you! You always have my respect.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Loppes, Vincent's (AKA Vactory) post had already been copied here before I went there.

I'm not the celebrity.....that would be Jen who first posted it in this thread at 2:18PM today!

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Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
My point was jen, eric said NOT because of integrity, but because he would get confused.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Exactly. Vincent's code is the first documented instance we have of a hg setting it up in advance to cheat by getting outside information.

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
The reason that apple and turkey burger were such a big deal is that Jen won POV by saying she would not eat. Her eating was a big deal because she should have lost the POV but it was to late to change everything.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"And there was a big difference between a coded letter and Jen eating"

Yes that difference are the letters, "CH".

CHeating vs eating