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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 9: Jameka's Opinion of White People?: Archive through August 29, 2007 users admin

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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think she tried to caution Amber not to say those things! I think Jameka hasn't made race an issue in the house, certainly it is less of an issue than in any other season.

She's gracefully and straightforwardly answered questions that could easily be considered ignorant and have brought an eyeroll.

The stupidest remark .. can't remember if it came from Eric? Zach? when Jameka did Amber's braids one of them asked if she could shower.. I think Jameka said yeah we can shower or black people shower.. I'm paraphrasing but even that was met with remarkable good grace, IMO.

I'd love to know her thoughts as the weeks have progressed, but as I posted above the one time she did talk about it said in a wondering way.. I have white friends now!

Mocha, yeah.. I know that didn't narrow it down much at all.. but it was funny that she mentioned NC right at that time.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I just read that race relations are de-evolving. Oh and posted bout it in the black history thread...

Caramella
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07-20-2002

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caramella a private message Print Post    
I don't know why this subject has come up, since there hasn't been any recent talk of race within the house. This statement was very early on in the season(premiere episode if i'm not mistaken). I personally didn't see anything odd about what Jameka said, because she was just saying she had never been in a close living situation with so many whites before. Not to say she's never been around whites in school or work....just talking about the close quarters of the BB house. I'm sure it would be the same thing if a white person was cast on a reality show of this nature and it turns out there were atleast 12 or 13 blacks. Not to say the person was racist or anything, it would just be an awkward situation in the beginning. Anyone that says it would be LYING. It is human nature to gravitate toward those that are most like yourself. Thats why we see more people of the same racial background as friends/partners.

Anyway, as the show has gone on Jameka has seemed to have adjusted quite well, and i'm sure she doesn't just see race when she's hanging out with Jess, Amber, Eric, etc.

Streetsmart
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08-06-2006

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Streetsmart a private message Print Post    
Listen folks, Im black, I grew up in Florida, I lived in what some people called the ghetto but its really called the projects. I didnt know ANY white people but the Police. I went to school in an all black school until high school. I became a star jock. I went to Univeristy of Florida and made the practice roster for an NFL franchise for about 2 months then i moved to Canada to play in the CFL.

Every up in Canada was white, asian or native. It was tough for me and i was a star jock but faced tons of racism and stereotypes. I had a gold tooth for 12 years and i got into a fight with bouncers at a night club because they didnt like my tooth so they took it upon themselves to TRY and take me out...It didnt workout to well for them but thats another story i got called every name in the book.

I feel for Jameka in this house. Her religion isnt fake and its her only sanctuary amongst the craziness. She had a really tough time fitting in because the cultures are vastly different and i couldnt even begin to explain.

Shes found friends in the house and those are genuine friendships i believe. Amber and Jessica are truly friends of hers so she has done a great job of fitting in.

Comments that most people find flipant and funny are greatly offensive to us such as " Why are you going ghetto on me" or making fun of our ebonics.

I honestly think she will enjoy this experience and wont make it a white/black thing.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Please tell me you don't still have the gold tooth :-)

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
LOL

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
I am no Jameka fan, but I must say that I do understand her reservations about being around white people. I had really negative experiences with white people when I was an adolescent (I suffered a lot of open discrimination and was ostracized by my white peers), that now as an adult, I feel really uncomfortable being amongst a group of white people. I always keep waiting for the moment when they all gang up on me and start calling me a "wetback" "beaner" or whatever. This being said, my roommates in college were all white and my husband is white. It's just the big groups that I can't handle.

Icu2
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08-09-2007

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 4:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Icu2 a private message Print Post    
lol Mocha...I was thinking the same thing re: the gold tooth.

Icu2
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08-09-2007

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 5:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Icu2 a private message Print Post    
I could totally understand how Jameka feels/felt when being the only African American in the house. Although I am African American, I grew up around a predominately Caucasian population in my neighborhood, schools, and working environment. My high school had more of a diverse ratio, however I can remember 2 classes (business law and accounting) where I was the ONLY person of color in the class. When I attended JSCU (an HBCU), in Charlotte, that was they first time I had EVER been around a school where the population was ALL black (excluding some of the professors). Different environment completely. Everyone had different reasons for applying to an HBCU. Some of those students came from areas where the only exposure to a non-black culture was on tv. So it is possible that Jameka hadn't been around that many white people given her circumstances. Or maybe she just meant that she hadn't been in a situation where she was the only person of color in the room/house.

My question is: Hadn't she watched the show before? BB as never had more than one or two, and that's pushing it, minorities in the house at and given season. So why was this such a shock to her?

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I went to an HBCU also.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 6:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
just wanna say it is great to hear from a few blacks in this thread - thank you :-)

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
I fail to see what the difference is with Jameka being the only black in the house, or Eric being the only Jew in the house.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 6:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
Loppes, Jameka has said that she isn't used to being around a lot of white people, so this is a new and unusual experience for her. Eric hasn't said anything analgous to my knowledge.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
Loppes said "I fail to see what the difference is with Jameka being the only black in the house, or Eric being the only Jew in the house."

The difference is that it is Eric's choice. If he doesn't tell you, you don't know he is Jewish.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 9:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
that too

(although someone might possibly guess)

Topshotta
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07-06-2007

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 11:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Topshotta a private message Print Post    
Also I dont think the history jews have in America is as turbulent as the history of blacks. So I can understand jameka being apprehensive.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Top, I hear what you are saying, but if its an issue of race, or racism, then it seems it would be subjective and prejudicial to assume that Jameka has more right just because of the history of blacks in America.
The holocaust took 6 million lives from Eric's race.

My intention is not to get into a debate on the issue. What I find interesting is the way Eric deals with issues regarding his race and historical background, and the way Jameka does in terms of hers. Jameka makes it a bit of an issue to her advantage, whereas, Eric just makes jokes about his ethnicity.

To be honest, at the beginning I never even noticed or realized she was the "only black" in the BB house - that is UNTIL SHE brought it up.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I was disappointed in Jessica and Eric when they said to each other that they wouldn't be able to pronounce the names of Jameka's family.. they said they really like her but then joked about her family names.. I don't think Jess meant anything too negative (don't trust Eric since he takes such cheap shots at everyone), but it made me sad to hear them making fun..

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 5:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
not to diminish the Holocaust, but my guess is that Jameka has likely suffered (a lot) more prejudice personally for being black than Eric has for being Jewish.

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 5:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
Sharinia my friend you know i love you but i wonder if you would feel that way if you were sitting across the dinner table from someone and as they reached you saw the numbers tattooed on their arm. That pain hit me personally and not only am I not jewish, but had only spent 10 minutes with the man before we sat down. I had to excuse myself from the table cuz I burst into tears and the one who followed was him. I'm not going to share the words he gave to me that night, I am only going to say he is my true hero. My sister in law marrying a man from Israel and introducing the Jewish faith into our Catholic family has been to say the least intriguing and I have checked this thread several times but it always seemed a dangerous place to enter a post, but this had to be said. I am sorry if I offended anyone. You know, my husband and I are about as redneck as they come, by our own definition, but when I have spoken with my children regarding racism, regarding the holocaust, regarding slavery and any other horrible act brought onto a society i have only one thing to say them..."Yes, it was horrible and never should have happened and I don't condone or accept it for one minute, but neither me or you (my children) are responsible what happened to others in generations past. We cannot go back and fix, all we can do, the only responsibility we have is to make sure it never happens again."

Okay, I sure had alot to say for someone who didnt want anything to do with this thread.

I hope everyone has a good Wednesday.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 6:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
dbald I respect your pov. maybe it is not fair to even judge given that I have walked in neither's shoes, but my opinion is based on all that I have personally observed in my own life.

does anyone seriously think that Eric would be truly apprehensive about being the only jewish person in the house?

throughout my life I have been in many situations where there were only one or two jewish people in the room and no one ever gave them a hard time as I recall.

cannot say the same for blacks.

again I am not diminishing the holocaust (it is actually something I think about often), just talking about the probable realities of Jameka and Eric's own personal life experience in today's america... and trying to be sensitive to that wrt Jameka, and why she might be more conscious of her minority status than Eric.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I noticed she was the only black person in the cast soon as it was announced.

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 7:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
ok...dont know why i am in here again but here goes...i have seen it in many shows and as said before...i am white, definately redneck, very catholic...pretty much as anglo as they come...but i notice in many of the reality shows there is always only one black person...ok maybe on the bachelor or shows like that, blah blah blah, but on shows such as big brother, survivor (except last year) and so on...always only 1, maybe 2...aren't we as a society passed that...if it it suppose to be a social experiment they need to be more equal and diverse. ok...really i hate this issue, i know its out there, i dont think it should be ignored but i have to be responsible for my self, hubby & children and feel sorry for the others who close their minds to differences.

Kimsue
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kimsue a private message Print Post    
Ethnicity or race should not even be a factor. Contestants should be chosen as the 12 or 14 best choices based on diversity of personality and life experience.

JMO

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
I was surprised to see that this thread was even initiated. From the beginning my take on Jam's comments on whites was due to the fact that she has never been arond whites, 24/7 or for extended periods of time.
From my time reading the boards or watching BBAD I do not see race at all as an issue.