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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:27 am
There has been so much criticism about the America's Player "twist", the person chosen to be AP and his game play. I started this thread with unbiased intentions. But I'm curious to know: 1. Who (if anyone) would you have chosen to be America's Player (from this season)? Why? 2. What would you have liked to see differently from America's Player, Eric, in his game play? 3. What have you truly enjoyed and disliked about this twist?
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:31 am
1. Other than when Eric tried to have us play for him during the Nick eviction I think he's done a great job. 2. I would have liked Eric to use more disgression in his verbal tirades. 3. I have truly enjoyed being a part of the game this year. It helps that those hgs that I like are the same ones the majority of Americans like though.
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:31 am
I would like to see the AP be required to complete all tasks, but that the tasks be game related and not silly stunts. I would also like for the AP to be exempt from winning at the end. He/she should be removed with some ceremony at f4.....}
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:35 am
Archiecat, I'm curious; why do you think he should be removed at F4? Is it because you think he's been fed unfair "outside" information by the way of America?
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:40 am
1-I think Eric probably was the best person for this twist-he's done a good job with it- but if I had to pick someone other than him, I'd probably pick Jess-she probably could get away with most of the things Eric did with a smile. 2-Eric got too paranoid when phantom votes came up, and was lucky he didn't get bounced when he was nommed... 3-I liked some of the tasks he was set (the catchphrase one, the woobie one, the imitation one), but not others (the mustard one particularly). I also think Eric should have been given the option to not go with the audience's eviction vote if he thought it would mess up his personal game strategy-he probably would have only done it once or twice anyway.
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John3183
Member
09-02-2005
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:43 am
I too think that he should have had one "veto" for America's vote. Maybe tie it into him winning an actual veto or completing another task instead. Would have been nice for him to be able to save himself the grief of strange votes.
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:47 am
Wilson & John, I agree. I think he should have been given the option to vote his way or at least been given a special "Veto" for America's decision. It would have gotten him out of a bind (ie, Dick's should-have-been-eviction).
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:53 am
I think that America's Player should not also be playing for himself...There is a conflict of interest. I would like to see America's player be a mole in the house. Perhaps he gets a larger stipend, but he should not be eligible for the houseguest's final prizes. I also think that the tasks have been silly and too easy to accomplish. I think the Eric's playfulness has been a lot of fun and in that respect he was a good guy to do the Sunday tasks...But I think his overtalking every situation made him not such a great guy for the voting and nomination tasks...
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:56 am
Mama, I think that the game should proceed untouched except by the players' manuevers from f4 to jury vote. I believe the voting is largely intended (by voters) to cause havoc and not true feelings by most of us. CBS probably meant it to be a true indication of how viewers would like to see the game unfold. But that hasn't seemed to happen.
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 7:59 am
Archiecat, in that respect, I agree. I belive BB intended for America's voting to be a true indication of how THEY'D like to play the game, not to sabatoge other HG games or in a form of rebelling because they don't like Eric or the idea of AP.
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:00 am
John, I would go along with one or more special veto powers to help the AP use his own skills, but I still feel that he is a "hired employee" and not a bonafide contestant for the prize.
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Ecoop
Member
07-07-2005
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:00 am
If wishes were horses, then beggars could ride. I wish each voter had gone in with the attitude that Eric was him/her. From the beginning it was obvious that the votes reflected what the voters thought was best for their favorite(s), not necessarily for Eric. What sense on earth did it make to vote against evicting Nick when it was apparent that the LNC7 were all voting to evict him? Everyone keeps saying Eric got Nick out, but it was Dick who first started saying Nick had to go because of Dani's rocketing emotions about cheating on her boyfriend. And it was Amber who insisted that Nick was the hinky vote in the previous elimination. Yes, Eric's preference was Nick and he took the opportunity to ride the train when Amber and Dick suggested nominating Nick. That's good game play. He had nothing to gain from Nick's staying and potentially much to lose because Nick's loyalties would always be with Dani and, by extension, Dick.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:02 am
after thinking about it a little this is how I might have done the eviction votes: If Eric goes with the AP vote and that person is evicted, he gets a +1 for tasks. If that person isn't evicted, he gets a +2 (since he was forced to vote against the majority), up until the jury phase-then it goes back to a +1 for going with the eviction vote regardless of if the person is evicted or not. If Eric doesn't go with the AP vote, if the person he voted for is evicted, he gets no credit-but if the person he voted for isn't evicted, he loses a task on his count (for going against the correct advice of the audience)
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:03 am
Ecoop, I couldn't have said it better myself. I'd been thinking that for a long time but couldn't decide how I needed to write it. Thank you & ITA.
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Realurker
Member
08-10-2004
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:03 am
1/I agree with Bonbon, AP should be a mole and not a player 2/The difference I would have liked to see in the player is have a "better" person chosen. When Eric started to echo Dick's behaviour to Jen, I began to actively dislike him. I even remember reading at the very beginning at the game that people were put off by they things he said (on live feeds) 3/The good thing about the twist is America finally has a vote. It would be great just to have the vote outright.
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:06 am
Realurker, You've got an idea there! I hope the producers are reading this & have a better twist for next year. I think having America cast a vote openly for evictions is excellent. We'd only be able to vote for evictions (and of course things like America's choice, etc) and it would keep the game interesting.
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:08 am
Mama and Ecoop, This seems to be a trend across the board on "America voting" on TV shows. People have agendas to create havoc. Example: America's Idol when Howard Stern entered the fray by encouraging silly voting en masse. Just for his own publicity! Maybe one vote for one person would make it more valuable to people. That can be done, 'cause that is the way lots of sweepstakes work. They throw out excess entries.
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Ecoop
Member
07-07-2005
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:08 am
Thanks, mama. I don't post very often because there are so many D/D fans on this board (even heavily moderated as it is) who come back with subtle snarky comments. It's nice not to get blasted immediately.
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:11 am
I echo that, ecoop, I hesitate to write most of the time 'cause I can't stand to be blasted for my honest opinion.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:11 am
mama, thats what they did in season 1, and it backfired when the audience voted out the interesting players early on-the last month of the show was really boring. What I'd like to do is perhaps this: The audience gets to vote every week for ONE nomination. The HOH gets the other-but doesn't have to say which nom is which. POV is as normal. In exchange for losing some of the nomination power, the HOH gets to vote EVERY week (not just in the case of a tie), and the HOH vote is equal to 1 and a half votes (thus giving HOH tie-breaking power if need be)
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:16 am
....and while we are revamping the show, LOL I think week 1 is too early to vote anyone out. Week 2 should be the first HOH after everyone has had a chance to really meet everyone.
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:20 am
Ecoop & Archie, you'll notice that in almost all of my "unpopular opinion" postings, I preface or postface it with a "no disrespect" or something along those lines because it's been frusrating to be blasted.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:20 am
Archie, technically it was week 2 when they voted Carol out (they went in a week before the show and the feeds started), but maybe they do the first HOH live on the first show, and not on tape.
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:20 am
......Use week 1 to try out a little slop for a day or two...make some temporary cooking and cleaning assignments...play a few games together inside and out....see people's real attitudes about all this before beginning to weed them out. I like the AP so we get involved, but they should fix it.
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Mama2oliviamae
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 8:21 am
Archie, they're all in the house for at least a week or two "getting to know eachother" before any HOH comps or evictions.
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