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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 12:20 pm
dick would not hold that against her mrsmel. if jameka took off amber then she would only have a choice of dick or dani. he would respect that jessica did so because dani is a huge threat. he knows it wouldn't be personal.
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Dedonjo
Member
08-20-2006
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 12:31 pm
I think the strongest move for Jessica would be to take out one of the Donatos. Probaby doesn't matter which one, but if that alliance isn't split now, they're going to the end together. I think she kind of knows this, but won't take the leap without support and even a little pressure from Eric, and that will only happen if he's directed via AP votes. I don't think that will happen, because voters who want them to take out the Donatos are splitting their votes between Dick and Daniele, so probably won't end up a majority. It would be interesting to see a voting choice of "Donato" - meaning, just get rid of one of them, doesn't matter which!
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 12:55 pm
To say that the Donatos are F2 if they aren't taken out now ignores the fact that at F4 everything hinges on the veto. If D/D/E/J go to F4 together, whichever side wins veto stays intact. That's the simple way to break up the Donatos. If Jessica takes out one of D/D, she will bring the wrath of both the informed and uninformed D/D fans on her head. If Eric wins HOH, he will be forced to nominate Jess, I almost guarantee it. Jameka can't compete for HOH, Zach WON'T compete for HOH and Amber and the remaining Donato will put up Jess & Eric. She doesn't know it right now, but getting rid of someone OTHER than D/D is her best bet. I don't want her to make a bad move just because it will give me personal enjoyment to see Dani or Dick evicted.
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 1:00 pm
only, i think she knows that. i think she knows her best bet is to stick with the d/d. all of time in the house has been to be nice and friendly with everyone. she gains and retains a lot of knowledge that she is just waiting to use. she really likes jameka, but doesn't want to be sitting with her at the end.
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 1:02 pm
Zachsmom, Dick has adored Jess, but I haven't heard him call her a little ray of sunshine around the house since Zach told him that Jess does not like him (which is true). So, I'm not sure if Dick believed him or not, but I'm reluctant to say she's immune from his anger if he thinks she's turning on them. Bottom line, I think it's time for Jess to realize that her best interest and Eric's may not be the same.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 1:06 pm
I don't see Dick/Dani as any more powerful an alliance than Eric/Jess. Both groups are completely committed to each other in the game. I agree with 2addicted's earlier post, I want to see a strong final 4 for a change. Most years we get a lot of coattail riders in the finals. I do not think this is how it will play out though. This season has proven these folks are not capable of staying true to an alliance!
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 1:09 pm
Onlyhuman, your point is so well made I might have to change my mind about getting one of D/D out sooner rather than later (curses! LOL). I'm less sure about one thing you said, though. Do you truly think Eric will try to get HOH? I agree the vote would be for Jess, and I don't think he understands that the public's game is not to get him to the end but to get D/D there.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 1:24 pm
Yay!!! I've finally done the impossible. My BB goals have been met and I can now retire from the boards and live in remembered glory! On a more serious note, I believe that as long as Eric is protecting Jessica from America's wrath, then their best interests are the same. He has no intention of throwing her to any wolves at this point. He's hinted to her as much as possible that America loves the Donatos. He know that he will be required to nominate her if she/they go against D/D and he wins the next HOH. He has never made any plans but to go with her to the Final 2. He has never made any deal that didn't include her. He has never made a derogatory remark about her. There is no indication that he has anything less than THEIR best interests in mind. Has Jameka told Jess that Amber plans to put up Jess and Eric if she wins HOH? No, of course not, because Jameka's best interests are not Jessica's. Logically and rationally, I have searched for a way to get one of the Donatos out without it backfiring on Jess. I just can't do it at this moment. I don't think that Eric will try to get HOH simply because of the whole AP thing. He is very aware of how the tasks have become easier for him since he became America's puppet and started emulating Dick. He is not going to put himself back in that hell again. I thought I heard a rumor or saw something posted that Eric will be allowed to make his own decisions in the final 4. If that's true, then his best bet is to get himself and Jess there in the safest manner possible. I think after that they would have a good chance of winning that all important veto, though Danielle is going to be VERY tough.
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 1:35 pm
The reason for the D/D/E/J alliance was to got out the floaters or dead weight as Zach called himself. She would be crazy to change that.
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 1:43 pm
LOL OH, I can be very stubborn but do try hard to keep an open mind and see things from other posters points of view. Very interesting rumor about Eric possibly being allowed to make his own decisions at F4. To me that doesn't jive with us getting Eric to the end but we'll see if it's true. While everything you say about Eric is true regarding his working with and for Jess, I am not convinced he's committed to sitting at the end with her. He wants to win and I think he'd lose to her. It seems to me that Eric's best position would be F2 with Dick. And, finally, please do not retire any time soon!
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 2:46 pm
Tresbien, my goal wasn't to change YOUR mind, it was just to change anyone's mind. I honestly can't remember where I read about that final 4 thing. I think it may have to do with the fact that they cram all that stuff in the last weeks, with the live POV ceremony, etc., that trying to vote would be impossible. As for F2, I think Eric will stick with Jessica simply because he doesn't want to be Boogie or Drew. Also, I think the only way he winds up in F2 with a Donato is if they win POV at F4 and keep him instead of Jess, which could happen and then he wins final HOH, which is not as likely. I just don't see him deliberately screwing Jess over at this point. I could be completely wrong, but I don't.
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Lanative
Member
07-24-2007
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 3:02 pm
Hopefully Jess will pay attention to her letter where her mother tells her to focus on the game. The smartest move is to take one down and but up Dani. Unless they break them up, the Donato's will brag for the rest of the season that they are the only ones to control the game. And Dani will believe she is the only one to make strategic moves. I think that this move will be the telling point in the game, whether Big Brother is controlling the game and they want the Donato's to the finale or will they really let America to make that decision.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 4:48 pm
If DDJE stick together, they will pagong the others. At F4, EJ will have to throw HOH and win POV, so they can get rid of Dani or ED. If that doesn't work, it will be Eric or Jessica and D/D as F3 (I'm guessing the Donatos will keep Jessica since she hasn't won anything.) Any which way you look at it there's going to be at least one Donato at F3, unless Jess wakes up and smells the coffee, or Zach finally steps up to win HOH and puts them up.
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Krissn
Member
07-09-2005
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 5:24 pm
Puzzled- Do Jessica's two back-to-back HOH's not count as winning? She also has at least a couple of food comps that she contributed to significantly. Eric had only co-won an HOH before tonight (first one) and now has a veto.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 5:35 pm
At F4, EJ will have to throw HOH and win POV, so they can get rid of Dani or ED. I don't think there's any point in throwing the F4 HOH comp. The F4 HOH has immunity, can compete for POV, and can also compete for F3 HOH.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 6:28 pm
You're right, Krissn, but I was thinking of the endurance part and IMO Eric has shown that he is very, very sharp at answering questions and then throws it. He's more of a threat. I put it badly.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 6:29 pm
You're right, Spear. It's the POV they have to win. Duh on me.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:41 am
Who do you think is the biggest threat to JEDD...Amber or Zach? It's hard to imagine either one of them being a threat...LOL.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 8:41 am
That is a tough call. They are quite confusing. At times Zach seems to know exactly what he is doing and at other times he is a complete wild card, saying things that irritate other HGs for seemingly no purpose whatsoever. I'm not sure if we are seeing all Zach has to offer in the game or if he is deliberately holding back. With respect to Amber, she has been coming close in the competitions so she is a threat to win HOH. I think Amber is more of a threat to D & D than to the other three but it is hard to say.
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Cathlene
Member
07-28-2007
| Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 8:58 am
I've said this on another thread a few days ago but it seems to me most of the HG would want to have either Dick or Dani in the F2 with them because they would see it as a sure win for themselves. They don't know about their popularity outside the house & accept for an AP vote...it probably wouldn't matter. Knowing how the HG's feel about the both of them, they would think none of them would get a winning vote. Does anyone agree? I also think Amber needs to go soon for her own "sake" . The torture of her "visions" not coming to fruition is too much for her to bear. And if the winner is "predestined"...does she believe She will be the winner or Jameka? just wondering....
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Krissn
Member
07-09-2005
| Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:47 pm
What moves do Zach and Amber have left that they are not currently trying? Is this locked up or could one of them still make a comeback this week?
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:18 pm
Someone needs to wake up quickly and realize that at this point there is no one that Jessica can't beat in the final two. Honestly unless it was her and Jameka all the votes would go to Jess. If it was her and Jameka; Amber would vote for Jameka to win. Against all others she would sweep.
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:22 pm
A case could be made that Eric made the strategic decisions for Jess, so I don't think her win is a given at all. I think Dani's played the hardest game and has also benefited from the AP votes. Jameka made some mistakes that will not be forgiven or forgotten, especially using the veto on Jen and giving up five HOHs. I don't think she has a chance at all.
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Kc103
Member
07-13-2004
| Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 2:27 pm
I don't blame Jessica at all for still thinking she may have made a mistake. Only time will tell now. As I said yesterday though, I think Jessica should have stuck with her gut feeling and really should have tried to force Eric to use the veto. Neither Daniele, or maybe even Dick, will have trouble either putting Jessica up next week...or more sadly, having someone use the veto and backdooring Jessica. She may be sitting with her old LNC buddies faster than she thinks in sequester. Daniele will give her rote "You're too much of a threat and a tough competitor" speech and that will be that.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 2:31 pm
Every year you watch this show and you think how dumb are these people to let the obvious leaders move ahead week after week. They didnt get out Will, Maggie and the Donatos even though they know absolutely they are the biggest threats in the house. Jess should have nominated Dick and Amber. Play the POV and if it gets played vote out Dick, if Dick saves himself or Amber saves herself put up Danielle. Either way you get out either Dick or Danielle. This was a missed opportunity once again and look to see Dick possibly win this because now they will want to keep him around, foolishly and selfishly thinking that they will want to sit next to Dick in final two.
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