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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 3:24 pm
Links to vote bots were posted on here also in the past, i.e. to get Dustin out, when voting was open for AP. I believe they ended up being removed but they were posted, so they did exist.
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Gemini42
Member
08-01-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 3:28 pm
I went to Jokers and it would not let me vote again as I had already exceeded my 10 votes at CBS. I don't believe in the vote bot theory. Just started by folks who don't like the vote outcome. IMHO
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 3:34 pm
I think the bot as far as Big Brother goes is opinion only. There is no concrete evidence it occured and was the reason for voting results.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 4:38 pm
I'll watch a D/D final just to see what happens during the jury questioning when one Donato is pitted against the other. Will Dick resort to his past strategy of perpetuating Dick-hate so baby girl gets the dough? Will Dani throw Daddy under an 18 wheeler and then go home with half a million and never speak to him again? That's about the extent of my interest in a D/D final. A Zach/Either D final would be worth watching.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 4:53 pm
Thank you, Lucymac. The existence of the votebots being used in BB8 are not speculation....they exist. I've also seen posts from people here on this board who said they were voting multiple times using multiple phones and multiple computers, both at home and at work. Question - If I vote 10 times as the instructions say you can, but some others vote 10 times each on several different phones and 10 times each on several different computers, how is it accurate if that person can cast so many more votes than I can? Answer - It is not accurate. Let's have a show of hands - How many people here would trust the results of a presidential election if CBS set up the on-line voting site for it....one exactly like the set-up they use for the AP polls for it?
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 4:58 pm
Oooops Sanfran, that could lead people to say CBS is better after the Florida controversial Bush victory. I wouldn't trust presidential elections EITHER.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:09 pm
The accuracy of BB voting has never been verified in any sense. BB doesn't even attempt to claim any sort of accuracy. Therefore the vote is meaningless as a method of determining popularity. CBS would get vastly more accurate results if they had Gallop conduct a scientific poll.
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:22 pm
It's never been proven false in my opinion. Sad season for some.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:24 pm
Sanfran, I don't trust presidental polls anyways. Too many things could and will go wrong. Polls will always be skewed. You will always have those few people who will make the polls completely different than what they would have been if those few people hadn't done it. I do agree with Jimmer about BB never making any claim about any sort of accuracy.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:25 pm
"Therefore the vote is meaningless as a method of determining popularity." Jimmer, it's not just the popularity polls.....the AP votes are part of the same system, and the AP votes actually decided the direction of the entire season. Don't forget that the last AP vote was an "instant" vote on a LIVE show but no AP votes from the west coast were included! The voting was over and tallied and the results given to Eric before 9pm (east coast time) Thursday night.....which was around 6pm here (west coast time), 3 hours before anyone on the west coast saw the show or even knew there would be an "instant" AP vote! How accurate could that AP vote have been if millions of viewers were locked out of the AP voting process?
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:27 pm
" Polls will always be skewed." Thank you. That's all I've been saying.....the cbs BB polls for popularity and for AP are not accurate.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:27 pm
Don't forget that the last AP vote was an "instant" vote on a LIVE show but no AP votes from the west coast were included! I voted and I'm in California... Of course, I came on here and saw that you had to, but I still voted...
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:29 pm
Not accurate at all. It's practically useless from the point of view of determining what the majority of fans truly want.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:30 pm
But maybe because of that, sanfran, they won't do the AP next year. I personally have hated it the entire year...he could pick and choose...that's not playing for America...
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:31 pm
None of this will change the outcome. Dani and Dick will both win.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:46 pm
"None of this will change the outcome." No, it won't change the outcome now. The easily abused voting system began changing the outcome of this season the minute the AP polls were opened. The entire game has been directed by a dubious/corrupt voting method that even locked out millions of west coast voters during the double eviction.
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:54 pm
Sorry, I don't think I really believe this idea.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 5:57 pm
No need to be sorry. I'm perfectly fine with you not agreeing with me! 
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 6:21 pm
hehehe...Sanfran, I agree with you (as always). It makes perfect sense to me. We also have no way of knowing how many tv watchers actually take the time to vote too. Personally, I think the polls are based on mostly live feeders. In that case, it seems to be pretty accurate as Dick is pretty popular on the boards. Of course, a lot of people do not like him as well. So who knows...
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Doublethink
Member
08-23-2006
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:05 pm
Having done lots of market research during my career, I can guarantee you that the "love them or leave them" polls are meaningless. As Klaw said, the on-line polls are inherently biased. It's a convenience sample, and we have no way of knowing if it accurately reflects the actual population of BB viewers. In fact, the people that take the time to vote are most likely very unrepresentative of the BB population. There could be all sorts of reasons for the supposed popularity of an HG. I will use Dick as an example he seems to be the most controversial HG this season. 1) You may have fans who are so passionate about their support of Dick that they will vote numerous times - either manually or with autobots for him; 2) You may have fans who don't really like Dick, but they like to rile up the fans who passionately dislike Dick, and they will vote numerous times for him - I'll call this the Sanjaya effect; 3) The fans who passionately dislike Dick will try to vote many times for other HGs to decrease Dick's popularity, but they don't necessarily band together so there is no significant affect on the popularity of Dick. For a couple of episodes the "dislike Dick" group did seem to band together and vote for Jen - Dick's popularity decreased during this week - I think it was during the "teagate affair." You would need a company like Nielsen to do a true survey to decide on Dick's popularity - the CBS polls are only helpful to see who is generating the most controversy. As for the AP votes, it would be similar since CBS claims to include the on-line votes in tabulating results. IMO BB should have stuck with a pay per vote system. Again, it wouldn't necessarily reflect the true popularity of a certain HG, but if viewers were so passionate about a certain HG, and they had enough disposable income to spend on helping a complete stranger win $500,000 and let them go at it.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:06 pm
Couldn't the reason Dick is liked on the polls be simply that there are far more voters who see the TV Broadcast only. And in every show, bar none, Allison so slanted the story about Dick that he seemed like a loving father who had just a few rough edges but more importantly was trying to finally redeem himself with his daughter? I realy doubt they have to rig the voting system. They just have to rig the shows and the information people get -- which Allison did exceptionally well.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:44 pm
I think it's mainly dick fans that are voting because those who are repulsed by him aren't even bothering to make the effort.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 8:09 pm
Something I found interesting...and it also points out an anomaly in the AP voting results over the course of this season. If you check the chart at the top pf the "America's Player" thread, it shows all the tasks that Eric was given: LINK to America's Player thread I found it very interesting that Dick was only chosen twice during the entire season to be the target of an AP vote - once for Eric to flatter him and once for Eric to mimic him to show how annoying he is...both were silly tasks that had no bearing on game play. Dick was never picked by the AP poll to be targeted for eviction. Daniele was never targeted for any AP task either....until Thursday's double eviction night when they had the 'instant AP vote". What I find odd about that is that out of 27 AP tasks, the only time Daniele was ever targeted by the AP vote was the one single night that the entire west coast was NOT included in the AP results.....(not counting those viewers who also read spoilers on-line and voted 3 hours before the show even aired here). Does the east coast have an entirely different opinion of Daniele than the country as a whole? Why would the AP poll target Daniele for eviction ONLY when the west coast didn't get to vote? Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 8:31 pm
Sanfran on the vote thing....I'm west coast and I voted as often as I could, and had no problem doing so. To be honest, I think there would be an argument for West Coast being deprived, or that WC would be supporters of Dani. This year with the advent of spoilers, east coast tv feeds on the net, etc. It would be very easy for West Coasters to be able to cast their votes. Every website on BB now has Spoiler threads. But regardless, I'm thrilled at Americas Choice for EViction ))))))))))))) on that night!
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 8:37 pm
Or, Sanfran, it's not an eastcoast/westcoast thing at all, but rather the fact that the vote was unexpected and there was no time to skew the vote in favour of the Donatos by the use of such means as vote bots.
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