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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:31 am
there is another you tube titled bb8 weasels zach, evel dick talk about plan backstab jessica. they are in backyard. zach said he would rather lose to D/D cause at least they are cool. he does not want to lose to jess/eric/jameka.
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Scribe
Member
08-16-2000
| Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:33 am
and he doesnt want her to tell anyone and tells her it would implicate her too and to forget he said it was very "unprofessional " of him...
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:03 am
You and I would have made the same mistake Zach made when you are faced with a duo like the Donatos. You can't win, one way or the other, you lose. I think by putting both D/D up was bad and good. Bad because it doesn't hide the fact that you want to split them, good because it was the only chance for Zach to get on Jameka's good side for Jury vote and also have someone to talk to, otherwise with Jameka and Dick up he would have been totally alienated by the three of them. Unfortunately, as Zach said, it would have been better to save Eric and get rid of Daniele, but Eric would not talk to him and couldn't trust him. I too am convinced that Eric would have aligned with D/D and he would have been gone on Tuesday. It's too late now to hope for Zach as it is 2 against one. Even if Zach wins part 1 of HOH, the other two can win the rest. Zach is gone and D/D are final 2. Sad but true.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:25 am
I don't see how we can blame Eric for any bad moves after Dustin's eviction. He believed that America wanted him to align with D/D. He said during is exit interview that his game would have been very different from America's game. He probably thought any deal made that did not involve D/D would bite him in the rear.
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Ginger1218
Member
08-31-2001
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:01 am
I think Zach's blunder was in not using the POV before he became HOH, that would have gotten one of the Donatos to be put up and would have had Eric and Jamkea on his side.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:06 am
His whole speech about "not liking the way they have played this game" was such BS. He has played it with them for weeks, so they would haul his butt to the end. He's made the same comments about Jameka as the rest of them and every other evicted hg. He had no hope if Eric stayed so to become all rightous now is nothing but an act for the jury.
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Bygdatty
Member
08-25-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:32 am
What's BS is D/D's attitude that Zach should somehow just forfeit the game to them. They were shocked, shocked, shocked to find out that Zach wanted to split them up. Duh? Do they honestly believe he or anyone is content to play for third place?
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:34 am
I think their shock is more for the reason Earthmother said. Zach was right in there trash talking Jameka with D/D then all of a sudden he found God and was playing morally.
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:35 am
Zach made the same mistake many BB players make - thinking too far ahead. He was focusing who he would like to see next to him in the final two, rather than breaking up the strongest alliance in the house. Did he honestly think D/D would take him over each other for the final 2? Reminds me of Howie putting up one of his alliance, rather than breaking up Maggie's. While I'm not a fan of the Donatos, I must say they have played the game. Totally dislike Dick's behavior. I think they had an unfair advantage coming into the game, but there were several opportunities to break up the duo. Zach realizes his mistake, but sadly I think it's too late.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:37 am
Dick asked him not to put them up together. Of course he should do what is best for him, but to make a statement about their game play when he was as big a part of that play as they were, was silly. As it turns out he did them a favor.
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Bygdatty
Member
08-25-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 8:01 am
Oh, so now Zach was as big a part of the D's game play as they were? Really? I thought he was a mindless floater who was carried to the end by the Donatos. It doesn't matter if Zach put the Donatos up together or put one of them up. The veto winner held all the power. All it did was cause the Donatos to go off on him sooner than they would have. The end result is the same. They were always going to turn on him so it didn't really matter.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 8:14 am
Speaking as a Danato fan, I fully expected Zach to turn on them. He'd be foolish not to. It's the tone of how he did it. The whole "I got here on my own" which is not true... the attitude of "I don't like how you played" when it suited him fine when he was being carried by it. I would have respected his game play more if he had simply said "you have played a very strategic game and should know that for me, the best strategy is to break you two up. it's nothing personal -- it's ALL game" and left it at that without getting all holiar-than-thou about how unfair the game has been.
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Merrysea
Member
08-13-2004
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 8:52 am
For Zach to say he found God in the same speech in which he broke his word seems a bit hypocritical to me. His father told him to play with integrity; I would not have interpreted that to mean he should go back on a promise to the only two people who have been his friends in this game.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 9:13 am
Zach could have left all reference to religion out of his speech.
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Mack
Member
07-23-2002
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 9:23 am
I agree with Brenda. The whole speech was strange and the business about he got where he is all on his own was a bit remarkable.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 10:36 am
Zach will have satisfaction seeing that on the TV show D/D just before HOH they were planning to evict him (not Jameka) and that winning HOH is really what saved him. Then Dick complains Zach didn't keep his deal to F3... man!! Zach just got there before Dick could send their deal to the dumps!
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 10:40 am
Here is a copy of the speech I found somewhere else. It is truly strange in some places. "At the nomination ceremony, Zach said: "This is the final nomination ceremony. We are here competing for half a million dollars. That is no joke. Nothing to joke about. You know, some people are here to make relationships, have friendships, whatever. I was here to play a game. I came here to play. I started stepping up my game in the end. I'm still playing. I'm still here. I'm grateful for where I am. I feel like I did it on my own. I really never had any confirmation from anybody this in this game that I had friends. I hate having to be in this position, seriously, to really pick two of the closest friends that I have here in this house, as well as somebody that has restored my faith with God. Which is huge to me." Zach removes the only key from the box, "Jameka, you are safe." Jameka, "Thanks, Zach." Daniele: "Thank you, Zach, We wouldn't have it any other way. On the block twice, and one more time." Zach: "Third time is a charm. Didn't work for the first two HoHs. And we're planning on it not working from you as well. I expected that. I nominated you Dick and you Daniele for eviction, Dick, Daniele you both rule in this game. Your tactics are awful. I don't like them. But they work. And they were incredible. Daniele, I think you've won six things in this competition. It's impossible to win against you. Probably impossible to win against you. I probably can't win." Daniele: "You will find out tomorrow." Zach: "But to be honest, either way I look at it, I would rather at least give her a fighting chance in this game and level the playing field because you two dominated this game. And that is so unfair, at least " Daniele: "That's unfair?" Zach: "Nobody has the stones to truly try and muscle you guys out. Well, I'm the muscle and I'm going to try to muscle you out." Dick: "OK, do it, brother." Zach: "I'm going it to try. Good luck tomorrow. And all I have to say is either way, if she doesn't make it, and you guys both do go to the final three, well, you got your wish. We're here and neither of you guys were going to take me to the final two anyway." Daniele: "Oh, yeah?" Zach: "So either way, you've got it. So. This meeting is adjourned.""
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 10:45 am
Actually it was Dick saying :"Third time is a charm. Didn't work for the first two HoHs. And we're planning on it not working from you as well. All this from D/D interrupting the nomination meeting by Zach.
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Suzsmarmie
Member
07-26-2005
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 10:50 am
Wasn't Dick saying something about Zach saying Dick was like a father to him in the speech? He either didn't say that or they edited it out. Hmm..Dick would have no reason to say that if Zach hadn't put it in there somewhere.
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Allysmom
Member
09-19-2005
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 11:00 am
Thanks Milosmom for the speech. It just goes to show you that D/D have no manners either. I don't recall anyone else ever interrupting the nomination speeches no matter how much they wanted to. The way the two of them sat there with those stupid smirks on their faces as if to say 'go ahead and put us up but we're still going to win and you are a sucker'. Spunky - I don't think Eric would have aligned with D/D especially after the way they treated him with respect to Jessica. He was quite upset by that.
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Bygdatty
Member
08-25-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 11:00 am
Zach was told by the DR to give a long nomination speech. I think he winged it and rambled on. Spunky is absolutely right. The D/s were plotting to break their deal and turn on Zach so their moral outrage at being nominated is just more hypocritical nonsense.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 4:02 pm
Not using the veto to get rid of Danielle during the fast forward was the final nail in Zach's coffin IMO. The next HOH really didn't matter so much since the veto winner controlled the vote. Dani's won how many now? And Jameka how many? Heck, it didn't even have to be about those lousy odds. It was more about the strongest alliance in BB history left intact by every single person in that house in all these weeks. I'll say it again. Biggest blunder ever this late in the game. I'm still hoping Zach can pull it off, but it's 2 against 1 and IMHO, AG will make damn sure her Donatos are yawning us through the final 2. I mean, why even bother with the end of the show with daddy and daughter sitting in the final? Split the money and call it what it was. CRAP.
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Gldnlvr
Member
08-03-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 4:24 pm
I couldn't believe it when Zach didn't use the veto to get rid of Dani . . but now, I'm pulling for him to go all the way. Which Donato does he have the best chance to win against in F2?
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 4:30 pm
I think he could win against either one. IMO, he played the better game. He at least realized that part of the game is getting jury votes. Eric was never a bigger threat than the Donato pair. Not for a second. He's finding that out too late. I'm pulling for him too, but I fear he's not the one "they" want in the final 2 so, I'm not holding out much hope. The final HOH may as well be who can whine the most followed by who can string together the most obsenities in one sentence. Voila. Thanks, AG. Ugh.
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Govols
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 6:58 pm
Zach admited on national television how he manipulated the unemployment system to draw the most out of unemployment. Wow! That ticks me off. Our tax $'s go to him. What a bunch of crap. Who does he think he is.
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Peepinagain
Member
07-23-2005
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:42 pm
Your tax money didn't go to anything. The employer pays into unemployment for each of their employees, its a totally separate account from our tax money. You can only collect whats been put in there and once you go through it your unemployment insurance is gone.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:48 pm
Seasonal workers do it all the time. They work just enough to collect again when they're off. Where I live you have to prove that you're looking for work while collecting. Benefits don't last very long, unless you Appeal for an extension, for sick compensation for example. Zach ain't the first one to know when to collect.. he's paid his contributions, he's got the right to collect when he needs to.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:52 pm
the problem for Zach is that he thinks he could only win against Dick. If he had vetoed Jameka and the two of them voted Dani out-it would be basically the same. What we don't know is what would have happened if Zach won HOH, nommed say Eric and Dick, and then Eric won POV-AP probably would have saved Dick. Jameka was likely gone in either case. Would Eric have taken Zach to final 2 (remember the final 4 eviction vote was supposedly the last AP vote)? I doubt it. No matter what would have happened- Zach had to win final 3 HOH to get to the final 2.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Monday, September 10, 2007 - 7:58 pm
Yes, the last HOH was what saved Zach, otherwise he would have been where Jameka is now as D/D were already plotting (before HOH) that he had to go and keep Jameka. Unfortunately for him, he realized too late that maybe it was better to have used the POV. He did explain to Jameka the reasons why he couldn't do it and I can't blame him. Eric barely spoke to him for 2 months, how could he have trusted him. Others are saying that Eric was so pissed at D/D that he would have aligned with Zach...still, I'm not sure because of his AP role.. he knew somehow that D/D are the favorite in this game.
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