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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 9:13 pm
He woulda been a hero to the jury and have accomplished what noone else did. I think losing the Donatos vote (if he even would) would be worth it in the end. And why in the world would he vote for Eric to leave over Jameka except that his new best friend instructed him to do so and he very happily rolled over. Either way, he had a way better chance to team up with Eric than with Jameka against the dreaded dynamic duo. He ain't got a prayer of either of them taking him to final 2.
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Crazybbfan
Member
07-06-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 9:27 pm
Ha Ha...Well I am happy as can be! Go Dick Dani & Zach! I have mostly lurked this year do to personal reasons but couldnt resist jumping in on this one, tell me something, this was a regular veto right? So if Zach used it on Eric couldn't Dick have put Zach on the block? I thought the only veto that saved 2 people was the special diamond veto that was played only one season whatever season Jun and Allison played. Right? I was so glad to see Eric & Jess go, they were just icky to me, she was using him for game and couldn't think for herself, he was very into her and I think his game was shot from the first day by choosing to be AP. But he agreed and he banked an extra 40 grand good for him...he can buy her a nice gift! Bye Bye Eric & Jess! Go Dick, Dani & Zach!
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Jbw
Member
08-14-2006
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:12 pm
Zach made the best move for himself. If he used the veto, Dani would have gone home leaving a F4 of Eric, Jameka, Dick & Zach. Zach would have no allies. Jameka and Eric don't like him and Dick would hate him for backdooring Dani. Since Dick can't play for HOH in F4, Zach would be outnumbered 2-1. Why would he kick out Dani to face a 2-1 disadvantage in the F4 HOH contest? By evicting Eric, the F4 HOH contest is now Dani+Zach vs. Jameka. Let's pretend Zach used the veto and Dani was evicted. Say either Eric or Jameka win HOH at F4. Zach would be on the block with Dick with the strong possibility of going home if either Eric, Jameka, or Dick won POV. Everyone still left in the game wants to take Dick to F2 since they think he'll only get one jury vote to win (from Dani). While Jameka doesn't like Dick, she thinks Zach is racist so if she was the sole voter at F4 Zach would probably be evicted especially since the Donato two person alliance would be already gone. If Dick won POV at F4, with either J/E as HOH, he might just voted out Zach for backdooring his daughter. So if Zach evicted Dani, Zach would have probably have to win either HOH or POV to stay in the game. By keeping Dani in the game, Zach is in a three against one alliance. Yes, he's the third wheel, but he realizes that the only way he gets into the F2 is if he wins the final HOH contest. The F4 HOH contest is now Dani + Zach vs. Jameka. Odds now favor either Dani or Zach winning the HOH contest. With a F4 of Dani, Dick, Zach, and Jameka, Zach has a better chance advancing to the F3. D/D will now concentrate on getting out Jameka since she has 4 guaranteed votes to win if she's in F2 against any of D/D/Z. Jen, Amber, Dustin and Jessica will all vote for Jameka to win if she is in F2. Jameka will concentrate on getting rid of one of the Donatos. She dislikes Zach, but would rather face only one Donato is the final HOH contest rather than facing both Donatos. The only senario in which Zach is eliminated at F3 is if Jameka wins HOH and either D/D wins the veto. That's the only way Zach's eliminated. If Zach wins either HOH or veto, Zach's safe. If Dani wins HOH and either of D/D wins veto, Zach's safe. If Jameka wins both HOH and veto, one of the Donatos goes home. Keeping Dani instead of Eric gives Zach a better chance to advance to F3. Not using the veto was in Zach's best interest. Not what the Donato haters wanted to see, but definitely in Zach's best interest.
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Jbw
Member
08-14-2006
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:22 pm
Biggest Blunder in BB history IMO. He out Marsallased Marsallas fer gawd's sake. Bigger than Dustin volunteering to go up on the block vs. Dick? Bigger than Eric not using the veto when Jess wanted to backdoor Dani? Oh please, Zach not using the veto doesn't even come close to any of these especially the mistakes of Marcelles and Dustin.
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Jbw
Member
08-14-2006
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:32 pm
And why in the world would he vote for Eric to leave over Jameka except that his new best friend instructed him to do so and he very happily rolled over. If Zach voted for Jameka to leave, the vote would have been 1-1. Dick would have broken the tie voting Eric off anyway. The only thing Zach would have accomplished was getting Jameka even madder at him (and possibly the Donatos). After deciding to not use the veto, he did the right thing is making it unanimous. You don't want to be the lone hinky voter. Just ask Eric. 
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:43 pm
Zach had wanted Eric out for a while. Eric was always the worm in the apple in Zach's end game. He talked him down to his face and behind his back. I'm sure it was with the greatest satisfaction that Zach said "I vote to evict ERIC."
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:48 pm
I didn't even think about it at the time because this show is giving me so much tired head now I can't even think straight. Suffice it to say, because of the things people here have been talking about, I think it was a huge mistake not using the Veto for Zach. He was in a position to make a strong play and take control of the game for himself. Instead he maintains his position as a third-wheel bootlicker for D&D.
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Cinder
Member
09-01-2000
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:50 pm
this was a regular veto right? So if Zach used it on Eric couldn't Dick have put Zach on the block? I thought the only veto that saved 2 people was the special diamond veto that was played only one season whatever season Jun and Allison played. Right? I do not think the veto has been regular since the first season it was used. It is "golden" which means the person who holds it cannot be nominated (of course unless they are already on the block- like Dick saved Danielle) That is also why "backdooring" became popular.
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Uncle_ricky
Member
07-02-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:54 pm
All I've wanted all season long is to see Eric get evicted. Thank you Zach for helping to make my dream a reality!
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 12:10 am
I believe it was a couple of weeks ago when Zack was on the block. Zack pulled out Eric's name to play for Power of Veto (perhaps on his behalf, not clear on the rules this BB8). Eric won POV and truly SMIRKED later when he/ERIC then refused to Use the Power of Veto to save him. Okay, so Eric didn't totally owe Zack the veto play - but his sneer said volumes. Zack's face looked shocked at how he had been stabbed without warning, like he was expecting some tiny morsel of loyalty in the venture. So, this go round, Zack merely refused to use the veto himself. (Payback Time little guy, w/o the smirk. I don't blame Zack a bit!) Given the time Zack had spent previously with Jess/Eric logically discussing gameplay (and potential ramifications & stategy) in the HOH room about the threat of the Donotos, and all that info tossed away due to Eric's worthless maneuvering. Later, watching Eric's so called "strategy" torpedo Jessica's boat. Making quirky votes even. Why WOULD Zack want Eric hanging around to muck up Zack's OWN game, having some albatross hanging around the neck? Why would Zack have any reason to trust Eric/Jam over D/D? He seems to be playing his own game and banking on his ability to swim through the muck, IMO. And if Zack doesn't win, well at least he gave a good shot and can sleep well at nights because he didn't rely on someone slinking around - doing whatever.
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Marmosquirm
Member
09-10-2003
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:30 am
I think Eric made a mistake by not quickly trying to make a deal with Zach right then and there while just the 2 of 'em were sitting in the LR. He could've told Zach if he used the veto and took Eric off the block then Eric would take him to the F2. That way (as long as Dani didn't win the next HOH) they would put up Dick and Dani and one would get evicted. Then the F3 would be Zach, D/D and Eric. If Dani won she'd take Zach over Eric. If Dick were the one who stayed, well, who ever knows what Dick is gonna do but it would have at least given Zach a shot at being in F2. As it is now, he's just playing for third. So, YES it was a dumb move of Zach not to use the veto on Eric and it was a bad non-move on Eric's part in not trying to make a deal with Zach to go to F2 together. JMO
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Luvjez2
Member
08-13-2005
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 7:21 am
I so agree Marmosquirm, he now has third to hope for unless he and Jameka team up and vote out Dani this week. PLEEEEEEASE, i cant stand to hear her whine anymore! She walked around that place like it was her own and now that "the double d's" arent in control shes back to this sucks, these people suck, you dont understand, im frustrated" GRRRRR ! I'll be Glad to see her leave!
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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 7:31 am
Does anybody know what it is that Zach "did" to Jam about $$??
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 12:41 pm
Isn't this the same as the "Zach's big mistake" thread???
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Babsbunny3
Member
07-28-2005
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 1:21 pm
I'm just thinking that hindsight is 20/20. Zach did not know he would win HOH. If Zach had NOT won HOH, and had used the POV...he might be in a world of trouble right now...eh?
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 2:33 pm
Smartypants, Zach asked Jameka if he did not put her up would she give him some of her money if she wins.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 3:09 pm
But I thought once upon a time, Zach was only saying he needed about $11K or so. If he were to take second, he would get more. He must think he will coast to 3rd. Gotta have the power of positive thinking!
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 3:17 pm
Eric shouldn't have wussed out during his plea to stay in the game....he should have said right then and there "Zach, think this through. If you use the veto on me, Dick has to put up Daniele. You and I can vote her out. The Donatos will understand....to quote Daniele 'It's only strategy.'"
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Wavelength
Member
07-25-2007
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 3:48 pm
Where in the live feeds does it say that Zach asked Jameka for money if she wins? Just want to see it in black and white.
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Agirlcalledbob
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:11 pm
Nobody actually makes mistakes until they are voted out. I can't stand it when they sit around and say "oh I shouldn't have voted out X". Well if X was still there who is to say that they would still be. That should be a statement reserved for their conversation with Julie and Julie only.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 8:51 pm
I think Zach's biggest blunder is the one that is happening now...his alliance with Jam. He thought process of why to keep Jameka is stupid and irritating. I really liked Zach up until this point...does he really want to take second place??
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, September 07, 2007 - 9:35 pm
I think Zach did the right thing by evicting Eric. I think this because it isn't ZACH who evicted them, it was the Donatos who didn't KEEP him. He set the Donatos up to take the fall for whoever got voted out. Later on, if he's called on aligning with them, he can say he just aligned with who could keep him week by week, and that it was a smart move to set them up to take the fall. "Don't get mad at me, I wasn't the one who voted you out!" I think the BIG mistake on Zach's part is with the nominations right now. I think he should have put Jameka up, to give the impression he isn't against the Donatos. By now they should all realize the POV winner this week holds ALL the power, whether they are up on the block at first or not. So he should have put Jameka and Dick up (Dick would be fine as long as Danielle's out of danger). Then, pray to the good Lord that Jameka wins POV. He has no power over who goes this week, and it's a 2-1 chance it will be Jameka. So at least be political with the Donatos about it.
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:04 am
The mistake I see that Zack made was when he won HOH he should had talked to the Donatos and say hey I have to put one of you up because of the numbers left in the house. And say lets work together to make sure that Jameka dont win POV so the noms stay the same and keep our deal. He could still tell Jameka you and me to the end BS and still stay friendly with D & D. I think he was a bit too smug when he won HOH. Now that Dani won POV, he is stuck now. Even if he didnt want one of them in the final 2 he could had played it better. He alienated D & D too early. And his sucking up to Jameka now after not speaking to her all season is a joke too. Sorry I dont have much respect for him. D & D has from day one been nice to him when others treated him like he had a disease.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:09 am
Someone asked a couple days ago about the Zach and Jameka money split. I found the aftermath where he apologizes for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRFEz_5uRiM
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:17 am
He was going to split the money with her if they made it to the final 2? So now that isnt happening he is taking away that offer?
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