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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 9:16 pm
Sure we can all say we saw a shove...But not a one of us can know for certain...the intent behind the shover...or how the shovee interpreted the shove. We will all interprete the shove differently. And in this interpretation...is where character judgements are made...Which are all just opinion.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 9:27 pm
Perhaps the one that swears they didn't see it, got up to use the bathroom. Went to get a soda, got distracted by a phone call. Yet their feeds were on and they were watching all day. Perhaps they aren't lying. Perhaps they aren't trying to stir up dissention. Maybe they just honestly missed it.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 9:57 pm
the intent I wasnt thinking intent as part of my scenario I see your point.
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Tobor7
Member
07-19-2002
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:10 pm
In 2004 a Tsunami hit Sumatra and killed a lot of people. There was a mother who was clinging to a tree for countless hours as the water rushed by. She was clutching her 2 kids. After a time she didn't think she could hold on any longer. If she let go, they would all 3 drown in the rip tides and waves. She made a judgment call and decided to let one of her kids go. One was older and larger, the other younger and smaller. She made a judgment call and decided to let the older, larger one go. She figured that he might be able to survive and the smaller one would have less of a chance. She also figured that she would be able to hold the smaller one longer. This was a life and death judgment call. In the end she had to let the other one go as well. They were never found. She lived to tell her story. A sad story it certainly is. Would you have made a different judgment call? I'll make it easier... here is a fictional situation... You are an ocean lifeguard. The surf is getting very dangerous and people are being pulled out in a fierce rip tide. You help many back in but there are 2 people who are VERY far out. You get out to them and they are both almost drowned. The weather is worse than before... the thing of it is... you can only save one of those 2 people. If you try to pull them both back in then all 3 of you will die. You must make a judgment call and decide which one you will save and which one you will leave behind to an almost certain death. For purposes of this excercise... let's say one of the drowning swimmers looks like Dick and the other one looks like Eric. Based on their looks alone (you know nothing of their BB show participation) ...you have to decide who lives and who dies. Who do you save and why?
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Tobor7
Member
07-19-2002
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:25 pm
I would save Eric. This is why: He is younger and will live a longer life. (a point in his favor) He appears to be living a better life than Dick. Disk's appearance kinda tells me that it wouldn't matter so much. If I had to weigh the chances of either of them making something out of their lives, I would save Eric. So there it is. An immediate life-and-death judgment call based on looks. What call you you have made and why?
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:40 pm
See Tobor, I hate those movies that end like that. I would die trying to save both. That's just me.
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:44 pm
I also would have died trying to do both... in vain maybe, but I would have. I actually may have saved the older thinking the younger may have a better chance of holding on. There are lots of variables here... who is closer... who looks weaker... on and on and on... you will never ever ever know until you are actually IN that situation. Just like the HG's... we can never know until we are in that situation in that isolated house.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:53 pm
i absolutely cant figure out a BigBrother connection (other than baseing worth in a person's looks) in those analogies/ examples
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:55 pm
but to answer a question, A lifeguard would most likely choose the YOUNGER of the victims to save. An older man has lived his life, probably already has a grown family etc while the younger person has so much more life to live.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 12:03 am
how is this for a judgement call example? you are a police officer. you hear a ruckus and loud voices/ shouting coming from a store. you go inside to find Eric and Dick rolling around on the floor fighting. you ask them each one at a time for the story of what happened. Dick speaks loudly, waves his arms expressively, throws in a few cuss words but says Eric started it. Eric babbles on and on in a rambling confusing manner. he stammers, he darts his eyes back n forth...says OR whatever regularly throughout the explanation. who do you decide 'started it'? who is likely to blame? the little scrawny guy, or the taller older guy with tattoos?
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 12:05 am
No one started threads about how fake jason was, how he had no problem massaging the women etc. I couldn't let this go by without comment. People did start threads about how fake Jason was because of his actions in the house. I know because that season I disliked Jason and had to deal with the wrath of Jason fans for daring to question Jason's character. I think this goes right along with your theory about the picture that each poster actually sees of the house. None of us watch the feeds 24/7. It's just impossible. We interpret the feeds we do see in much the same way that witnesses to an accident scene view them. We see the things that stand out to us individually because no one can take in the whole scene and commit it to memory. Each of us also interprets the actions we witness or read about using our own value system. I've found over the years that my judgement of all the houseguests has become less harsh because of my experiences on this board. In the first year of BB I vehemently hated Jordan. I think if I looked back on the comments I made then that I would be very embarassed and ashamed of the things I said about her. Ditto the season with Krista. In the past I was a true hater, but I've learned to strongly dislike a houseguests actions without becoming a hater because I've seen how ugly and unfair I and other posters can be over certain houseguests.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 1:07 am
i honestly dont remember AntiJason threads. thx for recalling, cause for some reason I dont remember. I was quite irritated with his 'going along' with stuff.
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Llb
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 1:11 am
Sun, I would shoot them both and say that it was a homicide/suicide - Dick killed Eric then took himself to avoid being taken down by the law. If I was found out, I'd blame it on temporary insanity for having to listen to Eric ramble on and on and the abuse I'd had to put up with from Dick...enough to break anyone down.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 1:14 am
you might get away with it too! I still say that Dick and Howie would have been explosive in the house together. OR eric the fireman? yikes. Dick had it easy in the house this year.
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Llb
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 1:17 am
I agree. There are a lot of other HG's who would have knocked him over for his behavior... especially towards women. They would not have tolerated it. Unlike the <93> they've got there who just condone it and continue it themselves.
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Rubyroo77
Member
08-13-2005
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 7:44 am
Tobor...If I had to save eric and dick..I would save dick, because he is older and has a fanily, and the other lifeguard I called (because I am a good lifeguard) would save eric. I try very hard not to judge anyone based on their looks..looks are VERY deceiving. I don't care that dick has tatoos- it seems to be a big thing to get covered with them today! Sun- I would have LOVED to see dick and eric in the house- I think that would be very interesting..they both like to have mega control..ooh that would be fun..
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 7:53 am
Eric the fireman, was that Cappy??
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 8:09 am
Yes, the infamous Cappy...
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 8:13 am
Ahh ok thx Shop. Hmm I think that would get real ugly real quick.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 8:31 am
Ack! I finally got Cappy out of my mind and you guys have to bring him back. Fie on you!
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 8:39 am
Rofl Dogd!
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 8:48 am
I'd pick the one who seemed calmest. I wouldn't want to be drown trying to save someone panicing. I would save the one closest to shore. I would save the one closest to death. I would make sure I contacted another life guard before I dashed into the ocean. ITA Biped.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 8:53 am
"how is this for a judgement call example? you are a police officer." Given your example, I would say a snap decision is not in order. I would want blood test to see if Eric was on drugs. His behavior, confusion, eyes darting sure seems suspicious to me. Dick's yelling, cursing and flailing arms could just mean he is very angry over being assulted by a meth head. Honestly---both would be taken taken to jail.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 12:52 pm
I think that many people here seem to be reluctant to answer based on Tobor's scenario. Rather than answering the question based on the scenario as stated we want to change it to something different. That probably also reflects how we view certain events in the house. We don't like what we are seeing so we remember what we wanted to see.
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Eddie4ever
Member
08-17-2007
| Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 1:37 pm
<<< Blargh... I are dead, too... both scenarios

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