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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 9: It's 2 against 1, what can Zach do?: Archive through September 09, 2007 users admin

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Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I mean, what's the use? Should Zach throw in the towel??

HOH, it's 2 against 1. Even if Zach wins Part 1, part 2 will be one of D/D, and part 3 would be D/D against Zach. Daniele winning the final Q&A.
Zach is out.

Worse will be if Daniele wins part 1, Dick and Zach go for part 2, and let's say Dick wins. Zach is out. Part 3 is a D/D win.

The other scenario is Daniele wins part 1, and Zach wins part 2. Zach and Daniele square off, Daniele wins and takes her father. Zach is out.

I can't see a way for Zach to win. It's 2 against 1 and the one isn't that good with the 3rd part of HOH. Throw in the towel or give it your best shot. Either way, Zach loses.

Nancyb
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07-07-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nancyb a private message Print Post    
Zach has to win two of the three competitions to go to the final two. It could be done, but with his track record on things involving questions, I doubt he will make it.
( which is fine with me btw)

Tresbien
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08-27-2002

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tresbien a private message Print Post    
If Zach wins part 1 and part 3, he's HOH and evicts Dani. He gets at least the $50K he wants and will be happy. The jury does not like Dick. I'm not prepared to say how they'd vote, but he does have a shot at second place. Zach, don't give up. Fight on!!!

Tissy
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07-28-2003

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tissy a private message Print Post    
Isn`t it usually 2 against 1?

As you say Zach really has no chance against either of the other 2 when it comes to part 3 of the competition. At least he did try and take out one of the Dons before the final but left it too late in the game.

What I think may be interesting now is to see how Dani plays it with the jury to try and scoop the 1/2 million from her father.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
The game is obviously over.

Zach is just playing it out as he is contracted to do.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
I don't think it is a given at all that he loses. I would certainly not expect him to throw in the towel and why should he?

I am sure Dani will win one of the first two parts. If nothing else, Dick would throw one to her since he knows she is better at questions than he is. Since one is endurance and the other still usually involves some type of athleticism, I think Zack has a very good chance of beating Dick in the 2nd one. I'm expecting Dani to win the endurance.

When it comes to the questions, I don't think it is a given for Dani either. I'm really anxious to see this recent HOH where Zach did beat Dani. Isn't the last part of the HOH usually involving questions about the other HG's and guessing who said something or what their answer would have been to something? I think Dani is excellent with facts and memory but not so good when it comes to reading people since after all she "hates these people." I think Zach sat quietly back and was much more observant of the other HG's and is better at reading them, so I wouldn't rule him out at all. I can't help but think of the POT when Dani had to guess what people would say and she didn't get one right. I certainly hadn't expected Amber to smoke her on that, so I don't think this is a given at all that she will win the 3rd part if she has to guess what people would say as opposed to remembering how things played out.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
For all conspiracy theorists, a Zach vs. either D finale is probably better television than a D & D final (which would not be as interesting). So it is in BB's interest that Zach win the HOH.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
He can do his best and act accordingly. Nothing more and nothing less. Let the chips fall as they may.

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Again the voice of reason Jimmer!

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Zach has the same chance in the final HOH contest as he would if Dick & Dani were not related.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Jimmer,

I'd rather see your scenario than a D/D F2 for a more entertaining outcome. That's for sure.

Kidsatm,

if Zach was playing against 2 not related he could have had a chance at campaigning, making deals, as we saw in the past, like promising to take the other to F2. But he can't even dream of doing that because the other 2 are related and they want to keept it all in the family.

That's why I say Zach can't even bargain anything.

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Oh yes Spunky, I agree that if Dick or Dani win the HOH contest Zach has zero chance of going to F2, however I do believe in the actual final 3 HOH contest he has as much chance of winning as if D/D were not related.

Rvon
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12-11-2003

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rvon a private message Print Post    
Kidsatm, I would agree with you on this, but I really think the outcome is all very heavily directed by BB. They know who they want to win.

Paridy
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08-31-2007

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Paridy a private message Print Post    
ITA with you Rvon this thing has been dictated for awhile thats why they had AP Eric keep D/D even when he told Julie if he was playing for himself those two would have been out of there a long time ago.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Kidsatm,

I agree that he has the same chances at playing and holding that key in the same position as the others. However, the 2 related can make deals and help each other leaving Zach to either quit or hold on for dear life. Dick already told Daniele that he may not be able to last the endurance part 1 of HOH and he even suggested Daniele throw that to Dick. Obviously Daniele didn't want to hear any of it, she wants to compete and try as hard as she can. For that I admire her. She will win Part 1 for sure.

I think Part 2 will be interesting as it will be between Dick and Zach and if Dick wins this one Zach can pack.. (it rhymes..). Of course I'd like to see Zach win for entertainment and for a last hope... but he will still lose part 3 if the questions will be geared at Daniele as many suspect already.

Kalekona
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06-12-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kalekona a private message Print Post    
I guess Janelle should have just thrown in the towel both times she made it to F3. She was up against the same odds with no real shot at anyone taking her to the end, she had to do it herself. She failed but she never gave up.

As for the end being predetermined i don't see it as any worse than last year which was without question a done deal before they walked in the door.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Zach has the same exact chance as D/D do to win the final 3 HOH...
It would be no different than if it was a Zach/Eric/Jessica final three.
Looking back in history, it would be no different than a Dani/Jason/Lisa final three.
It's all up to whoever wins...

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Spunky point taken on the endurance part.

Hypermom
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08-13-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
Every year, fans of those that get evicted, always say the comps/questions are geared toward another HG. lol So, was the tea cup HOH and the ball POV geared towards Zach because the advantage was his height? Every HG has an equal chance at the question comps. It's those that pay attention to other HG's, the past challenges, and things in the house that win. Zach has the same chance as any other HG to win this final HOH. imo

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Okay,

try to see this scenario:

Dick out of endurance part 1 of HOH for fatigue and/or for believing Daniele will win.
Zach and Daniele both determined to hold on to that key... Daniele may start to feel uncomfortable so does Zach, they know they may not last much longer. Okay now see this.. . It's Zach and Daniele fighting it out but the other one who just left the comp isn't Dick, it's another player.
Zach would have a chance at bargaining with Daniele and Daniele would do the same if he promises her to take her to F2.
But with her father there to take her or take him, Zach is useless.
This is what I'm talking about it. He hasn't got any bargaining power. Nada. Zero. It's win or lose.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
That is a very valid point about the bargaining Spunky. If Zach goes out early it is easy for D/D to decide which one wants to play part 2 and end the endurance. I'm not so sure Zach will go out that early, but he couldn't trust any deal from D/D.

If by chance D/D did have the chance and had Dick take the first round, they could actually end up in trouble depending on what part 2 is. Last year it clearly favored somebody with upper body strength and there Zach has the advantage over Dani.

If it is round 3 and Dick vs. Zach, I think Zach has the advantage. I think Dani is smart not to risk part 1 even though I am hoping Zach can pull this out.

Hypermom
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08-13-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
Nor did Janelle have bargaining power against Ivette and Maggie in S6. If it had been Will and Boogie against anyone in F3 last year, same thing.

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassynegal a private message Print Post    
Bottom line is the house had many opportunities to break up D/D and didn't - Zach did the last veto ceremony - so don't pity them or begrudge D/D for surviving to this point.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
Neither Boogie or Erica would have taken Janie to final 2 no matter what they said. They were a tight pair in the final 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBBl72IXq4Y

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassynegal a private message Print Post    
Furthermore, BB put D/D in the house for drama. They didn't know the 2 would pair up and help each other. Jess and Carol or Dustin and Joe could have done the same thing.