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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 9: Finishing watching the rest of the season: Archive through September 10, 2007 users admin

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Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Exactly, bots and every trick for voting are not isolated to a single contestant. I actually believe the polls this year. Because Dick also has the largest fan threads on every board compared to all the others, and I am pretty sure no one is filling those up using bots.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
Way to go, Sanfranjoshfan. You posted the same thing I've started to post several times and gave it up because I couldn't word it correctly without getting mad.

I have one computer and no cell phone. So I get 10 votes max.

That's why I think it should be an instant type vote such as the one they did on Thursday last. They could (if they wanted to) figure out a way to shut off the various time zones and tally the "instant" vote after the show airs Pacific Time. Technology is wonderful. It can be used for good and for bad.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"if VOT-BOTS can be made for anyone---I am sure someone has made one for Zach too--or the people who like him have access to 10 computers too."

Absolutely correct , Battlestar. Therefore the polls cannot be trusted to reflect the actual number of people that vote one way or another, whether the person getting the most number of votes is Dick or Zach or anyone else.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
That does not explain why America never told Eric to vote Dick out or try to influence the currant HoH to put him up. As I said, I do not believe all the Allison conspiracy theories. If Jessica/Eric or Jessica and someone else was in F2 there would be no conspiracy theories.

Hypermom
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08-13-2001

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
The vote bot I saw on Jokers, has all the HG's names on it.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
About Dick being the favorite on every board...

There is a poll on Joker's. The question was "Who do you want to win BB8?"

Voting was pretty even but Zach came in first over D/D by a couple of points.

On the polls over there you can only vote ONE time per computer. Hmmmmmm.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"That's why I think it should be an instant type vote such as the one they did on Thursday last."

I think even that one was fake. I did watch the double eviction episode (muting Dick every time he opened his mouth).

I am on the west coast. We see the shows pre-recorded on a 3 hour delay. If there was a LIVE vote as advertised, that means NONE of the west coast viewer's votes were used!

By the time the west coast saw the announcement to vote on that "LIVE" show, that vote had been over, tallied, and the result given to Eric....3 hours before the episode was even aired on the west coast!

They didn't even throw up an announcement saying the show was pre-recorded for the west coast and the vote was already over!

Nope, that "LIVE" vote by the viewers during last Thursday's episode excluded millions of west coast viewers.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"That does not explain why America never told Eric to vote Dick out or try to influence the currant HoH to put him up."

Of course it does.

If the CBS BB popularity poll can be skewed, so can the CBS BB AP poll.

That's not an Allison conspiracy theory.....it's just a known fact about on-line polls.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
Read my post again, Josh. I did say they could (if they wanted to) set the whole thing up so that each coast could have a vote.

It couldn't be done during a commercial but it could be done somehow so that votes from each time zone would be given a time limit and then close the whole thing down after the show had aired on the West coast.

I don't know how it could be done but I'm positive this is possible. For instance, if Joker's polls cut me off after ONE vote from my computer, surely CBS can figure out a way to make this fair for everyone.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
I totally disagree. SF

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
People have automatic re-dialers also, for phone in votes. As American Idol clearly proved. All of these polls can be manipulated, in many ways. I don't think BB is very worried about making sure people can only vote so many times.

I'm not sure you can draw any hard conclusions from these kinds of popularity polls or call-in voting schemes. There are too many ways they can be hacked.

And with winning money at stake, well, there is more than ample motivation for some people to get them hacked.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"Read my post again, Josh. I did say they could (if they wanted to) set the whole thing up so that each coast could have a vote."

Messalina, they can't do that with a LIVE vote for a LIVE show....unless they air the episode simultaneously on both coasts....or unless they have a time machine.

When the east coast sees the show at 8pm, it's 5pm BB time (west coast time). If the east coast votes during that LIVE show, and if that vote is tallied and used by the end of the show at 9pm east coast time, it's only 6pm west coast time.

They would have to tell the west coast about the imminent vote at around 5:30 pm west coast time, as the show is airing LIVE on the east coast. BUT, since it isn't airing on the west coast at 5pm west coast time, they have no way to tell us about the imminent vote.

It just cannot be done for a LIVE show unless BOTH coasts are watching the show simultaneously in real time. It would work only if the west coast aired the LIVE episode at 5pm at the same moment the east coast was watching it at 8pm east coast time..

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"I totally disagree. SF"

Would you trust having an on-line poll to determine the next president of the United States?

If you believe in the accuracy of the CBS polls, then there is no reason why you wouldn't trust them for our next presidential election.

I wouldn't trust them for a BB poll OR a presidential election because they are easily skewed and totally untrustworthy.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
Okay, I know it can't be a LIVE vote but it doesn't have to last for days and days.

When I say "instant" I'm trying to suggest a vote that will be limited but still fair in that everyone across America can participate.

I don't know enough about technology to suggest possible ways it could be done but jeez! I'll resort to that old saying..."If we can put a man on the moon, surely we can_________" (fill in the blank) in this case (figure out a way to make phone voting fair.)

If it can't be reasonably fair then I don't see the point of having an America's Vote at all. I'd rather they just did it the old fashioned way and let the HGs decide.

As I've said before, Joker's figured out a way to limit votes. Are they the only smart techs in the USA?

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"If it can't be reasonably fair then I don't see the point of having an America's Vote at all. I'd rather they just did it the old fashioned way and let the HGs decide."

I totally agree. It was entirely UNfair for the west coast last Thursday. No votes from the west coast were included in the tally for Thursday's LIVE show. That particular vote tally did NOT reflect millions of viewers that wanted to cast their votes....because it was already over before we ever knew about it.

"As I've said before, Joker's figured out a way to limit votes. Are they the only smart techs in the USA?"

They probably limit it by username. (You don't have to register at cbs.com in order to vote in their polls.) However, anyone that joined Jokersupdates more than once, under different usernames and different IP addresses, could have easily voted more than once.

Tracyt
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08-16-2005

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 1:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tracyt a private message Print Post    
You can vote more then 10 times at CBS. You just have to delete the cookie. Pretty easy, really.

Sidecar
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07-23-2007

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sidecar a private message Print Post    
BB is obviously unique because of the 24x7 aspect of the show. I think there plenty of people that use crude language, make disparaging and racists remarks, etc, when no one is looking. For better or worse, some people have decided to do it on national TV.
We can say "I would never do that!" but you really don't know how you would behave under that microscope. And I dont think anyone can, with any amount of certainty, say what the cast of BB8 is really like outside of the house.
I mean just imagine, go about your day and pretend you are being watched by millions. Pretend that every move you make could make a difference between you and a life changing amount of money. That cannot even be close to what its really like.
I dunno, Im sure Im not going to convince anyone of anything here. But I guess I just want to voice the opinion that its a very unusual situation so it stand to reason that it brings about unusual effects. Isnt that the whole point of the show?

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
I could never be a contestant on a show like BB because I would be the most boring HG ever.

I don't use obscene language or racially loaded terms in my real life. If I was on a TV show being watched 24/7 I would be even MORE careful if that is possible.

I'd be so careful I'd be tongue-tied.

Well, I did say I'd be a boring choice for a HG. I'd probably be evicted the first week.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
That's a shame people found a way around the vote thing by cheating. Ruins the whole idea of Americas Player. More like Americas Player as determined by whoever has the fastest computers and fingers.

Lanative
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07-24-2007

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lanative a private message Print Post    
Although I cringe at the idea of Donato's being rewarded for their play. Could it be that Dick was popular because Big Brother is a game where the winner usually is whoever, Lies, Cheats and Connives their way to the end? If so then that's why they will be reward. I personally would rather see someone else be reward.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Exactly, Milosmom.

I just don't see how we can trust the AP poll results (or the popularity poll results) at all.

This season's entire game hinged on the results of polls that can be easily tainted! Even the final 2 vote that the viewers get to cast this year can't be trusted. The integrity of the game has been severely compromised and we will never know for sure how the viewers really felt.

Anyhow, that's just one more reason why I stopped voting (and watching).

Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
There is just no proof of any of this in regard to Big Brother8.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
When I vote for Dancing w/the Stars I have to register with the network. Then I log in and it allows however many votes per week then shuts you off. PERIOD. If BB wants accurate voting all they have to do is establish a system like that. Also you can vote from 2 email addy's per puter then that's it. So clearly there is an easy way to lock down voting and secure it.

Allegedly only the first 10 votes count, but I still say without any outside firm being legally responsible they clearly don't want accountability. But this could be easily corrected if they wanted to.

And Lana, to me Dick is popular because he played the game and did something that had some personality (in addition to his horrid actions). This year sorely lacked the other facets, and I think some of us overlooked things we wouldn't have in other years just because there was at least someone playing the game!!!

Tvwatcher
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04-17-2004

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvwatcher a private message Print Post    
some of us overlooked things

If at the end of the season, you listed out all the things Dick did that you overlooked, I wonder if you'd think whoa...that's quite a list

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"There is just no proof of any of this in regard to Big Brother8."

A post from higher up on this page:
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"Hypermom
Member

08-13-2001

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 12:34 pm
The vote bot I saw on Jokers, has all the HG's names on it."

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There's some proof for you....a votebot at Jokers that can be used for any HG in BB8.

The existence of votebots for on-line polls are common knowledge, but there is certainly no proof that the online polls at CBS are accurate, especially considering there is/was a votebot at Jokers that let you skew the cbs poll.