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Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 3:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
But he CANNOT stop talking. He is so desperate for a sign that she really likes him and to talk about his feelings and to verbally process everything he is feeling so he can get a grip on them.

Eric has been like this since day one. I dont see any difference in him verbal.


However, and I am tempted to start a thread about it. I think eric has stepped up the personal stuff with Jess since she IS DOUBTING him.

Things started changing when he was pushing so hard for Amber (of all people) to go. Then the first time they were together privately after POV Eric says "of course I am NOT going to use it"

Jess seemed really surprised...then when he kinda backpedalled she got quiet.

last night 4am to 6am i watched a bit. Jess was very tired but eric was going on and on and on and she seemed distant.

Eric is doing a Boog.

riding Jess to the end, getting her to do the dirty work with Evictions etc.

I only hope she wakes up and figures out WHY he has been blowing his own horn so vigorously since winning.

I doubt if Eric has any feelings for Jess as a couple. More like a Jockey who loves his horse as it probably will win him notoriety and Claim to fame in the races.

It really was One step below a Donato Gloat.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
That's not how I read Eric at all.

Like players before (and I'm sure after) him I think he's let personal feelings overtake game.

So far, it's turning out OK (gamewise and personal wise), but I see his situation as more similar to Will (i.e. stepping back to let Boogie win) than Boogie (willing to step on someone to win)

I pick up a genuine attraction, and I agree with onlyhuman that it's genuine on her side too. That's not to say that each of them aren't a little skeptical. I think that's natural too.

And re: those cutesy names. Thank goodness it hasn't spread beyond hollywood to general usage.


I would hate to think of couples I know that way!

Jgirl0129
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08-15-2007

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgirl0129 a private message Print Post    
They genuinely have had fun together from day 1 - whether it be dancing, pillow fights, bathtub. I think they do care for each other but there is game play involved also. She is not stupid and she has done well so she isnt oblivious.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm positive that Eric and Jessica like each other.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
I think they like each other as well. He's been desperate to kiss her, when he does, she responds with "It's about time!"

Though maybe a little age issue. She seems like it was a hook-up kiss, do it and then be done. He wanted more. He was telling her how attractive he thinks she is, flattering her, etc. He also commented several times "Oh, you can move." I think trying to tell her, get into this too. That's why he was so hesitant, because she wasn't really giving him a signal one way or the other. I think he didn't want to do something that would mess them up gamewise as getting intimate can do.

I also always remember the story she told about losing her virginity. She was drunk and didn't really realize it had happened until the morning. I think that happens to a lot of girls in college, and it makes me sad for her.

He was acting hesitant last night, but I think it's her actions or non-reactions that added to that.

Because everything we were saying as it happened, he said afterwards. He was lying on top of her, took him forever, etc. I think he wanted some feedback, and she didn't have much to give him. I think she's very inexperienced, but likes him. He's hesitant because he doesn't want to do anything she doesn't want.

That all being said, she lives in Kansas goes to school and dances there; he's in NY working in television. That doesn't seem like a good match. Neither can really go to the other's location. I think this is just some good summer fun for them.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
I have fun watching them.. reminds me of college (even though Eric is older)

BB has done a great job of catching those 'moments' foreshadowing the romance

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
I totally agree Jimmer...I think it is real. Maybe only because of the limited choices in the house but real for now none the less.

By Eric's on admission, he has OCD. That explains his incessant talking and analyzing, especially when he is nervous and he definetely was nervous early this morning.

Ok, nervous and EXCITED!

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, I want you to know that I read your post and I took the time to really think about things you said and to try to figure out if I was missing something.

First, right now Eric is as secure as he's ever been in this game. He won POV, he doesn't have to worry about being backdoored or about his vote this week. And after the meeting with Dick and Dani, Jessica herself said she felt better about their alliance and that it's the right thing to do. Desperate measures are not needed at this point.

Second, on Friday night/Saturday morning, Eric and Jess spent almost 4 hours hashing out the girlfriend thing and Eric told her, in the most awkward way possible, that he had feelings for her. And, in a similar pattern to what happened tonight, she initially joked about it but then said she "obviously" felt the same. So the fact that this happened tonight is not a big surprise. They've been talking about kissing for weeks now.

Finally, and this is probably Eric's best defense...there is no way he has the confidence to think that he can secure her loyalty through sex. It takes a certain mindset to believe that you are so wonderful that a female will do anything just to be with you. That doesn't go with Eric's constant need for approval from her, his self-deprecations, and his bumbling attempts to woo her. If he's faking all that, he's a great actor and we KNOW he's not very good at acting!

Citadelle
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07-06-2005

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Citadelle a private message Print Post    
Only, you speak my thoughts. Again. Nicely summarized. And, I really respect your thoughtful way of presenting other ways of seeing situations.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Here ya go! The vote is up early tonight! Since he has already kissed Jessica then I don't think it will be as bad if we vote for Jessica tonight since their first kiss wasn't for "game"!



Eric is working for you, America, and it’s time to tell him what to do.

After two months together, it's time for Eric to take one of his relationships in the house to the next level. Which HouseGuest do you want Eric to kiss?

It's your choice, America.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
So AC is who should Eric kiss. I hope she doesn't think that last night was part of that. Ugh. Poor Jess.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 5:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Well, I voted for Jessica simply because they have already kissed so the first kiss wouldn't be "game"...or at least I hope it wasn't!

Maryk
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07-20-2005

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maryk a private message Print Post    
The AP question sucks! Now if the result is for Jessica, she will question the reason for the kiss before. Ugh. Don't know what to do???

Jgirl0129
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08-15-2007

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgirl0129 a private message Print Post    
vote for dick or zach so it could be made into a joke

Jgirl0129
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08-15-2007

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgirl0129 a private message Print Post    
vote for dick or zach so it could be made into a joke

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Maryk...I would hope that she doesn't find out till after the game, they are F2 or some such and she will hopefully look at it as America likes the two of them together! :-)

Maryk
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07-20-2005

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maryk a private message Print Post    
Thanks Lainee... I will vote for Jessica then. :-)

Kiersten_love
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08-03-2001

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kiersten_love a private message Print Post    
Dick or Zach would make more sense, it would be part of the fun and a nice joke, nothing serious. Anyway, someone called it like last week, I don't remember who it was though, who said Eric was staging the showmance this week with Jess to make his move. Wow, whoever you are YOU sure hit it right with that one! Its like watching Boog all over again, except without the game and the moves, at least he had Game, moves and the talk!

So My Vote and about 57 friends of mine are voting for Eric to kiss Dick :-)

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
so now you have your answer why Eric did the kiss.

This is like the Woobie question. Predetermined that Jess will win regardless of the votes.

I read some of the statements here and the mindset seems similar to the farce of Janelle and Will.

People want desperately to think that a showmance is real.

Onlyhuman says that they considered my words. BEFORE Eric moved in into high geer and Before the Hours of Dani and Dick, Eric had jess full of doubts.

I havent watched today as I think it is all fake.

People are not making rational decisions and the game has become predictable and boring.

Like I said in another thread, it is insanity to bring hardcore players in a final four agreement especially when two are so strongly aligned.

Jam and Amber have proved themselves nonthreats and nongame players. Neither would win against the other four.

Jam or Amber should be dragged to final four and We shall see if it occurs. I expect jess or eric to be gotten rid of PRIOR to final four if they continue as is.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 7:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I've argued the strategy issue in many threads. If Jess takes out "strong players" then how does she fit into the whole thing? Jessica clearly IS a strong player, how does giving the weak players a chance to take players like herself out of the game help her out?

Clearly, Jess & Eric are hoping to get to F5 HOH, have Jameka win POV and then they can send out one of D/D. But that's one step away.

There is no way to come up with a foolproof F2 plan. There are just too many variables. What you have to do is control for as many variables as possible. In the past 3 weeks, Dani, Jessica, Eric and Dick have won 6 of the possible 6 competitions. Why give someone else, who has just as much incentive to get YOU out as anyone else, the chance to continue playing??

But back to Eric and the reasons behind his kiss. Right now, Eric needs NOTHING from Jess and there is nothing she can offer him. He controls the POV, he determines if they stick with D/D, which he knows is his only option. Jess can't play for HOH next week. He ONLY needs her to believe him because he WANTS to play the game with her. That's dramatically different than wanting to use her the way Boogie used Erika.

Eric made a choice to play this game with Jessica. I'm not sure why he decided that, but NEVER has he done anything to sabotage her standing in the game. He has no obligations to anyone but her and America. As long as he makes sure that Jessica stays on America's good side, he can make sure that she is not America's target.

Jessica is the one with a back-up plan, NOT Eric. If anything, one could say that she encouraged him to take their relationship to the next level so SHE could control him. However, I see nothing to indicate that she's done that, either.

One thing that you have to understand about me is that I tend to not believe the showmances and even then I almost always take the woman's side. I thought Josh played mind games with Brittany on BB1, knew Drew was using Diane in BB5, and called BS on the Will/Janelle thing. (Confession...I screwed up during OzBB6, but in my defense I had the guy figured out early and saw how he manipulated her, I just wanted the girl to not be hurt so I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt) But those guys all had a natural confidence that comes from being attractive to the opposite sex and knowing it. They used in the house what they are used to using outside the house. I just don't see Eric having that confidence, and, having watched him for 5 hours, he doesn't have the moves. He's just an awkward guy crushing on a girl he thinks is beautiful and hoping that she feels the same.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
"so now you have your answer why Eric did the kiss"

The voting line is still open! He won't know who to kiss until tonight. How does this have any bearing on what happened last night?!


I bet BB is mad that Eric kissed Jessica last night. I reckon they were assuming he'd keep holding back and then after the audience vote he'd have to kiss her and they could make a big thing of it. That would have been awful for Eric to have to have a first kiss on those grounds, but worse for poor Jessica who wouldn't know what to think later on. Big Brother is kind of a (bet that turns into red stars).

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 7:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
I'm voting for Eric to kiss Dick.

That is even fun to type, yet alone say.

tee hee!

Saguaro
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06-21-2005

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saguaro a private message Print Post    
I'm so tired of these two. The look on Eric's face when Amber told him and Jessica what Jen said... It was obvious he was caught red handed. At least Jen got one last jab in before she left.

Carrie92
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09-15-2003

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 8:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carrie92 a private message Print Post    
Oh, I like the Eric and Jess show. Mainly because I like Jess so much.

But, I'm always a sucker for a showmance, so I'm glad they've kissed already before the AP vote. I just hope she doesn't think it was all for AP.

Maybe I should vote for someone else.
Have to admit, Dick WOULD be funny!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 11:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
yeah Saguaro. i was watching live then too. eric did say That isnt true!

jess talked it out with him later of course. Or should I say Eric talked her brain into a confused mush LOL

Keeping her up all night working on her over and over again. Definitely proves that the guy has had read some psychology books LOL