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Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Onlyhuman, absolutely, actually late Thursday night or Friday night, (I forget which) , but Eric was really stressed, and he went to see the psychologist that BB has on hand, twice that night. Dr. C.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Because Eric is not a human being to you with feelings or any good side, you choose not to see it as pain. It's just clicking a button.

You see him as America's Robot, put in to the house to get your favorite the win. And that's fine, if that's how you want to look at it.

I just think it's cruel to force someone to do something that you KNOW will cause them emotional pain. And for what reason?? If D/D want Jess gone, she's gone. Eric has no control over that. It's just to make Eric look bad. What is the purpose in that UNLESS you want to hurt him?

Battlestar
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07-27-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Battlestar a private message Print Post    
"My MAIN point, is something I have posted a number of times and NO ONE ANSWERS, "Do you think you could do a better job than he in that house, if you were given the same set of rules and guidelines by BB?" "

--that has nothing to do with how I vote. I like the AP twist--but being the AP does not mean that the AP's main squeeze has some sort of blanket protection

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Then he shouldn't have agreed to be "America's Player," he shouldn't have started "playing" Jessica. I absolutely could give two cents whether anyone gets hurt. They entered the house as adults. If their game includes a showmance (which I find really disgusting), that's their problem. Eric knows what would happen if he had to vote to evict Jessica. He saw what happened to her when America voted for him to give her the silent treatment. He's made his own bed, now he has to lie in it.

And yes, Eric is America's Player. That means he's playing for ME. And that means it's MY RIGHT to vote HOW I WANT in order to advance the PLAYER(S) I WANT.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Yesitsme, lol (glad you don't mind "wacky" lolol)
Actually on the $$ issue. I don't know if people realize how much it costs to fly a private jet plane from LA to New York, so the money paid out by BB for Amber and Daniele was probably somewhere around $30,000. In addition to that one of them could have won a whole lot more money than the top BB prize. They didn't but they had the chance. On top of it, the girls got literally thousands of dollars of clothing, in one of the comps, and they get gifts and more important letters from "home" as HOH etc. So, I'm not worried about the unfairness, it balances not too badly. Heck Dick won a plasma tv.

Kirstenk
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07-14-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kirstenk a private message Print Post    
Because Eric is not a human being to you with feelings or any good side, you choose not to see it as pain. It's just clicking a button.

You see him as America's Robot, put in to the house to get your favorite the win. And that's fine, if that's how you want to look at it.

I just think it's cruel to force someone to do something that you KNOW will cause them emotional pain. And for what reason?? If D/D want Jess gone, she's gone. Eric has no control over that. It's just to make Eric look bad. What is the purpose in that UNLESS you want to hurt him?


ITA

GO ERIC!!!

Jgirl0129
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08-15-2007

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgirl0129 a private message Print Post    
I dont think it is about protecting Jessica if we vote for Jameka = The majority voted for ERic to promise to take Jessica to the end = granted in this game people form and break alliances on a daily basis but the majority of his corny tasks have also been toward Jessica so it is more than just nominating and evicting. I agree to mess with someones emotions isnt fair.

Kirstenk
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07-14-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kirstenk a private message Print Post    
"My MAIN point, is something I have posted a number of times and NO ONE ANSWERS, "Do you think you could do a better job than he in that house, if you were given the same set of rules and guidelines by BB?" "

NO.....I could not have done a better job than Eric.

Battlestar
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07-27-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Battlestar a private message Print Post    
"I agree to mess with someones emotions isnt fair."

It has nothing to do with Eric's emotions---

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Sun 25 02 Sept
Tue 26 04 Sept
Thu 27 06 Sept
Sun 28 09 Sept
Tue 29 11 Sept

Hmm 29 votes but the rules say it ends at 11:59:59 am on Wed Sept 12.. maybe the last voting period is longer?

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Jgirl absolutely! Last week the "majority" voted for Eric to kiss Jessica, and now this week, they want to evict her.

Contradiction at its finest lol.

Kirsten LOL thanx and neither could I have. That's why I have to give him credit for accepting to do it.

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
It's a game. Noone is putting Eric under that stress...he is putting himself under it. And yes, in some ways that is why the show is interesting. My friends and I have gotten quite contentious at Monopoly when in the midst of a game...but when all is said and done, arguing or getting too emotional about a game is silly regardless of what that game is. Yes, the financial stakes are a bit higher here than with our Monopoly games (though I have won millions with free parking) but so what? Should they go into it counting on winning the money? And it's just money...not happiness.. at stake. They can choose to be happy regardless.

To be honest I do think I could have done a better job than Eric as AP. But he is doing fine and lately I have been rooting for him.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Eric was hired to do a job and America is free to vote on the tasks set up by his employer. I'm not obligated to coddle him or give him an easy time.

Yeah this affects his game and it also affect the games of the other HG and they don't even get extra money for their pain

I'm not wacky or sadistic and I'm not in a monolithic "good viewer alliance" of some sort. I just vote each week as I see fit.

I voted Jameka tonight and I'll wait to see what the next task is and if that is who to get voted out it will depend who is on the block. Personally I'd love for it to be Eric.

Again the majority isn't a monolithic bloc.. I didn't vote for him to kiss Jeesica, I voted for him to Kiss Dick. And guess what? He did kiss Dick in the course of the game so he'd have gotten credit and no harm to hm at all. Heck he almost failed his task because Jameka wouldn't leave Jess alone.

Llb
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08-22-2007

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llb a private message Print Post    
Well, Eric was hired to perform challenges that America asked him to. He knew that this was why he was hired to participate.

America (or BB) has given him a lot of easy cash, I don't quite understand why, but they have.

I don't see it as undue to put him in some rough spots. Personally, I think these challenges should be CHALLENGING for him to undertake. Kissing Jessica was hardly worth paying him for... and how boring was that?

If Eric has decided to have a showmance, then that's his business. He should have known that it might put him in a conflict since he must do America's (or BB's) bidding, but he made the CHOICE to get into a showmance. He isn't there as a HG, he's there as a patsy for BB or America.

AP should be an opportunity to shake things up, not just hand Eric money for doing the easy thing. I mean, he's got an advantage anyway given how much info BB is feeding him.

I would much prefer to vote out Jessica than Jameka, just to give a little bit of payback and to remind Eric of WHY he is in the house to begin with, to be paid to do America's bidding.

Jgirl0129
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08-15-2007

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgirl0129 a private message Print Post    
I keep asking but I dont understand - what is going to get Eric motivated to finish the rest of the tasks if there is no way for him to get more money

I am acting like Zach thinking all mathematically

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
LOL Sea. If Dani uses the veto and Eric goes on the block, we can't vote. But I do want to see him walk out the door, too! (Although I'd prefer to see the order be Jessica, Jameka, Eric... :-))

Battlestar
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07-27-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Battlestar a private message Print Post    
He doesn't have to have any motivation for the eviction vote

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'd give up my future votes for Eric to leave. However Jessica leaving first is fine with me.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    

quote:

Eric was hired to perform challenges that America asked him to


Well, no, he was hired to perform challenges that BB asked him to perform and that America voted for the person he was to perform it "on". But Lil, you re-affirmed my point... he had to know that, at some point, he'd have to do something that would affect his "relationship" with Jessica. Such as trying to get her nominated or even voting her out. It was HIS mistake, and his mistake alone, in getting involved in a showmance.

And if Dani doesn't use the veto, I'm voting to evict Jessica.

Missche
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08-10-2007

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missche a private message Print Post    
I voted Dani, just so that she would get so mad that she would make Zack put Eric up as a replacement nominee.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Dani and Dick endured NOT through their own play but because America forced Eric to keep Dick in. It was made plain by the "ignore Jessica" vote that if Eric didn't protect their favorites, Eric was going to continue to be tortured.

People have stated, on this thread, and many others, that they will continue to help Eric as long as he protects D/D. Well, Eric has protected them right to the point where they are now free to evict Eric. How is this a help to Eric? How does the fact that he was able to make money jumping through the producer's hoops, balance out the fact that he has been practically forced to give up his chance at the $500,000 to two other people in the house, one of whom wouldn't even be there without Eric saving him.

If they had told Eric BEFORE he quit his job, before he went into sequester, that he would be going into the house to play for other people but he would have a chance to make $40,000, maybe I wouldn't think he's been screwed. But he turned his life upside down for the chance to fulfill a dream, only to be told that if he wanted to play, he had to play it the AP way, and THEN once he's in it, finds out that all AP is is a popularity contest where he has to repeatedly save the most popular players, so I feel bad for him.

He's not behaved the best and there are times I want to strangle him for not letting the Jen thing go, but, I've seen the toll that this is taking on him and it's much worse than what anyone else has to go through BECAUSE he has no one to talk to about it, which, for Eric, in particular, is hell.

Sure, Eric could have avoided all this right now if he hadn't gotten involved with Jessica, but those of you who support D/D should be glad he did, because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to protect them. At the same time, Eric NEVER expected to have feelings for someone in the house. He wasn't trying to start a showmance, they became friends and flirted. It evolved into something more, most likely because of the house.

Look, I'm not here to tell people how to vote. I don't even vote all the time. I just think the idea that Eric is ONLY America's Player is a fallacy. He is also person, a human being. Sometimes I think it is way to easy to lose track of that.

Llb
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08-22-2007

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llb a private message Print Post    
I wonder if Eric was given advanced notice of what these tasks would be so he went in having an idea of what would be asked of him... just not toward whom it would be directed at. I wouldn't doubt it... it seems reasonable that he might want to know what he was going to be up against when agreeing to take the job.

Llb
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08-22-2007

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llb a private message Print Post    
Onlyhuman,

I lost all respect for Eric in watching how poorly he treated Jen, and how he continues to badmouth people.

I think he behaves in a very cruel manner. He helped to make the BB house unbearable for Jen. He bad mouths almost everyone, and is very nasty about it too.

It's difficult for me to have sympathy for him with his own behavior in the house. Just like I can't say I will ever have any respect for D/D either. They just stepped over boundaries that I feel should NEVER be crossed. People have to be able to draw lines and not cross them, for human decency and integrity and character.

In my eyes, these people have thrown away any character they might have had. No, I don't feel bad for Eric. He doesn't have to succeed in his tasks anyway. He can do a half-assed job and not get paid for it if it's unsuccessful. He does have SOME control. Just like he's managed to be truthful with Jessica about what he's been doing - his votes and that he put the mustard on the shirt. So he's obviously free to be honest with the HG's if he wants.

I don't see him as being in that tortured a position myself.

Needlenose
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09-16-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Needlenose a private message Print Post    
Only, you are a very wise fan . . . I am impressed with your explanation and thoughts!

Kirstenk
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07-14-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kirstenk a private message Print Post    
OK....call me altruistic but when I saw BB was having an America's Player I thought WoW....someone I can play the game with not against. From the get go the majority of votes were not taken in this light. They should have called him BB players or something else cuz when I think of America, I think of unity, alliance, commitment, and, and, and.....the good people. LOL

Now don't go too crazy here cuz I know that America also stands for the freedom to dissent and make our own choices.

BOOYAH!!!