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Ambi
Member
08-11-2007
| Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 11:31 pm
Well, Boogie is part owner in the Hollywood eatery Le Duex (Sp) an A list place that all the A list stars and producers like to go to. That could have a little to do with his win.
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Jrsbus
Member
01-16-2006
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 8:08 am
aliens? jfk? florida vote count? alway someone somewhere thinks there's a conspiriousy. Of course this is not a game show its a reality show. Doesn't mean they know elvis is going to come through and take all the votes and win the 500k: note you know he and janis joplin are still alive. my guess is if someone with all this time on there hands would find out that survivor,amazing race and any of the others are not considered game shows either. My apoligies if this has already been said but just because your pick is not winning doesn't mean its fixxed. OR DOES IT?
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John3183
Member
09-02-2005
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 8:25 am
I do not think that the outcome of the show is predetermined. I do believe that the producers can change the games, the twists, and aspects of the show to sway the opinions of the players and the advantages that people have. So, that being said, game shows have rules, we all know them, and there are not many Twists persay, if any at all. I never heard Bob Barker offering a veto or changing the rules mid way, and that I think the the differance. BTW, if I where to try and find a slot for this show, it would be Incentative Based Reality Gaming, not a game show or a Reality show.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 8:41 am
Jrsbus, I believe in aliens, I do not believe the Warren Commission, I believe that the vote count here in Florida was flawed, I wonder about the truth of 9/11, I believe religion is a hoax, and I beleive that Senator from Idaho did try to get a little in the Men's Room at the Minneapolis airport! I am pretty sure that Elvis, Janis, and also Jim Morrison are dead. I also am curious if the producers are in fact messing with my favorite 'game' 'reality' 'farce' show, and I want to find out what others think. And...I don't have a 'pick' on this year's show, I hate them all! Perhaps I DO have too much time on my hands!

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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:06 am
IMO there is absolutely no doubt that the Producers do things that affect the outcome of the show. It is called Big Brother so that is even more apparent with this series but I also think they do it with all reality shows. The producer's objective is to make the show interesting and entertaining. If someone gets too big a lead or becomes too dominant, the producers step in and try to mess things up to make it more exciting. Having said all of the above, I also think that it is clear that they do not deliberately fix who will win the show and that there are some real limitations on how much they can influence the outcome. LOL – Not through lack of trying but simply because contestants ultimately do what they want to do. Numerous incidents in the past have demonstrated this.
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Mlt
Member
09-18-2002
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:10 am
Well, I think I'm more in the camp with those who say that the winner is not actually predetermined. However, I think BB does manipulate the show quite a bit. For example, in past seasons, when the house has divided into two distinct camps, you can be pretty sure that the winner of the HOH is going to come from one side one week and then the other side the next week. How is that possible if they don't manipulate things? Also, how is it that the POV winner tends to be the person who will cause the most drama? But there is only so much the producers can do. For example, in season 3, Marcellus was rumored to be one of the producers favorites. So when he was in danger of being eliminated, he won the veto. Who could have predicted he wouldn't use it? This year, I think BB wants the final four to be J/E/D/D - so I'm expecting the competions to favor those four. As a result, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Eric win this week. However, I think that when it gets down to the final four or maybe three or even five (depending on the year), the producers mostly let things play themselves out. After all, at that point the season is really pretty much over so they don't have to worry about things becoming really boring. If the winner was predetermined, I suspect that they would always have a final two who were almost tied - so that we wouldn't be able to guess who the winner is going to be. And the one who would win would be the one the majority of the viewers would want to see win. So... I say 'yes' and 'no' to predetermination. I think the show is manipulated... up to a point. I suspect that this year when we get to the final four of J/E/D/D, the producers will let things play themselves out. After all, no matter how that one goes down, there is going to be drama.
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Amac
Member
09-07-2001
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:12 am
I always assumed Big Brother is called "Big Brother" because the houseguests are always under observation, i.e. "Big Brother is watching you." I never assumed tampering with the natural course of the "game" had anything to do with it.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:41 am
I don't mind BB watching and controlling the houseguests. That is the premise of the show. What I am resenting here is the manipulation of the VIEWERS!
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:46 am
The reason that the FCC considers Big Brother to be "...a pseudo-contest in which the outcome is fully, or in some measure, predetermined" is that BB along with Survivor and many other "reality contest" shows have interviewers, producers, writers and editors who "can" have an "influence" on the final outcome. The legal department at CBS had to make the distinction after the person from Survivor 1 sued CBS and accused them of cheating. CBS had to admit that even if its unintentional, interviewing the contestants about the day's events (even if the interviewer only asked generic questions) could cause the contestant to give additional thought to any situation and therefore change their opinion of that situation. So, even if the interviewer didn't "lead" the contestant in any direction with the questions that were asked, the fact that the person "rethinks" the situation could have changed their perception and therefore affect the outcome of future events. Notice how the FCC said, "or in some measure." Whether or not the interviewer "sways" the contestant by asking them leading questions, just simply discussing it with them could affect the outcome. If CBS didn't redefine Survivor and other reality contests, they would be getting sued after EVERY show (Survivor, BB, Pirate Master, TAR, etc...) This does not mean, however, that CBS/Big Brother already "predetermined" the final outcome, or even that they deliberately try to influence the outcome. Big Brother 6 & 7 should have proved that. Janelle and Kaysar were CLEARLY the favorite HGs, by a HUGE margin, yet neither won win either season.
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Antkaki
Member
07-20-2005
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 12:21 pm
i think it is rigged to an extent...like we have heard this year about all the stuff about how the DR wants people to do this and that (from what i have read) but i find it suspect among the fact that most of the reality shows have opposite sex winners every year...one year male one year female and so on...can't say that about all of them but it seems to be that way to me...then again i have little memory flashes these days so i could be wrong, but if it follows that pattern it should be a female winner this year. JMO 
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:11 pm
TAR has never had an all woman team win. Survivor had women win 6 of 14 times, but there's no male/female pattern. As far as BB, it's only followed that pattern since BB4, but it does seem to me the most likely winner this year will be a woman (Jess or Dani.) BB1: Eddie (M) BB2: Will (M) BB3: Lisa (W) BB4: Jun (W) BB5: Drew (M) BB6: Maggie (W) BB7: Boogie (M) BB8: Jess or Dani? (W)
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