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Messalina
Member
06-19-2005
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:04 am
Jimmer -- "Of course it all depends on what we mean by "scripted"." When I use the term "scripted" I'm using it interchangebly with "manipulated". I think BB8 is more heavily manipulated/scripted than past seasons. It just seems obvious to me that AG wanted a D/D finale and everything is certainly pointing in that direction. If next week's double eviction results in either of the Donatos leaving I'll be one of the first persons on the board signing on to eat humble pie seasoned with crow sauce. 
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:04 am
Naja: the only suspicious AC I can think of is Jen. I just cannot imagine Jen being AC over Jameka. I thought it was really strange how there was no envelope and Eric actually got to cast a vote. Also, it sounds like a lot of the viewers enjoyed watching the drama between Dick/Jen. If I had to guess, I would say BB knew the houseguests were going to vote her out anyway and protected Eric from a hinky vote and JEDD. JMO.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:08 am
Those examples do not seem to me to be reasons why BB isn't scripted. Only that you disagree'd with the outcome. That doesn't prove or disprove.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:11 am
Klaw, you can't imagine that the public would want to vote out Jen instead of Jameka the week Jen went off slop and crushed Dick's smokes? Is that the one you thought was suspicious? I didn't think that one was suspicious at all.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:12 am
also BB had to like Maggie, they rarely showed the real her on the tv show
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:26 am
I agree that there is no way to precisely measure contestant popularity. But perhaps you could explain why BB would script a Boogie and Erica final two, when they could have scripted a Will and Janelle final two? I can't see that.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:36 am
Naja, that was not shown until Thursday's show so it had no influence on the home viewers. If I had to base it on the boards (not just TVCH), I would still say no b/c there were a lot of people who were cheering her on and still support her to this day despite that episode. Dick and Jen were the most popular on the show. Even now, Jen is high in the popularity polls. She's not as hated as the houseguests would like to think!!! Them questioning her integrity after that was laughable by many, me included. JMO.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:36 am
Just because a contestant is detested, doesn't mean AS or AG would want to get rid of them. The many, many posts about Maggie and the "Friendship" showed that people were watching and kept watching in hopes they'd be unseated. Same with Juen and Alison--people detested them, but were riveted by their cruel play. Boogie and Erica, too, people couldn't turn away from the trainwreck. I don't think TPTB give a rap about who is liked or disliked--all they care about is who drives up the ratings. Those are the people they want to keep.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:37 am
Klaw, she was picked to be "nominated" by the public that week before the incidents, so why would picked to be evicted be a surprise? ETA: getting my weeks confused....It was an earlier week.....but it still doesn't seem fishy to me.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:42 am
I agree that it is not necessarily in BB's interest to eliminate disliked contestants. BB's sole interest is keeping things interesting and entertaining so they get better ratings. However, while they influence, I don't think they script who is going to win. How could they?
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Messalina
Member
06-19-2005
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:46 am
The point I keep trying to make but can't seem to do it is...it's sort of pointless to compare this season to those in the past. BB *8* is under the thumb of a new executive producer. She wasn't in sole charge of the past seasons, at least so far as we know, that is. I think past seasons were manipulated. I think BB *8* is more so. Sorry, don't mean to be pedantic. (Sometimes I talk too much). I tried to insert a "smiley" here but for some reason it won't let me.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 11:18 am
So, Dani won PoV. Isn't THAT a surprise. Looks like Jess is gone this week -- another stumbling block out of the way. Go Allison!!!!!
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Bombaycat
Member
07-21-2007
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:04 pm
Allison is doing an excellent job of scripting this year's final 2. While previous BBs have been manipulated, I think this year is definitely scripted for a D/D win. I think D/D/E have known from the beginning how it is supposed to end, but the rest of the hamsters didn't get the "script". I'm so disappointed and can't wait for Survivor. JMHO
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:21 pm
I agree Bombaycat. I think the end has been known from the beginning. The one thing about Dick's constant babbling is that every so often tidbits slip. We know he and Dani knew they were going in here together and had agreed to play together. And now we know that in BB6 he and Jannele were well-acquainted -- Janelle who is close enough to Allison that she was brought in for a guest appearance this year. And, obviously Eric was informed a couple of weeks ago when he made the deal with DD that he was to do as Allison told him to do. I suspect if truth be known, we would find that Allison and Dick have known each other for some time.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:22 pm
Of course, we know Survivor isn't scripted at all. Unless there is a vast conspiracy and Allison is paying these people to act and giving them direct orders, there is no script. If Jessica had not nominated Dustin, Dick would have been eliminated weeks ago. There would have been absolutely nothing that Allison could have done about it. I agree that she seems to be doing quite the job of manipulating them but that is partly the HG's own fault.
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Jadedone
Member
09-01-2007
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:23 pm
The script for this week is Jameka goes. AG has 3 storylines for the show ranked in order of importance) 1. the Donatos 2. America's Player 3. E/J Showmance. Since Jameka is not a part of any storyline D/D will be heavily influenced in the DR to vote Jameka out, probably from the jury vote angle. I began asking myself what AG would want a few weeks ago and every eviction has followed suit, even Nick and Jen. Nick kept Danielle away from Dick and Jen was a threat to D/D. Jen proved that she wouldn't play by the rules and would not be manipulated. I think that no matter how much D/D strategize this week, on Thursday they will vote Jameka out. I hope I'm wrong, because I hate that all the strategizing amounts to nothing. We need some excitement! Following the same train of thought, Zach should be the other one who goes on Thursday. I suspect that all players will be questioned about noms and voting on Thursday afternoon and somehow pointed in the direction of Zach. If things don't play out as I predict, I will be both shocked and happy. I just want the players to be able to play the game.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:36 pm
I can see that happening Jadedone. When many people were convinced that Dick was gone, I was predicting the Dustin eviction. However, there is a difference between what you are describing and "scripting". Allison is manipulating them but she is not giving them direct orders on what to do, what to say and how to vote. They are not actors following a script. BB has done some very effective manipulating this season helped by the addition of AP. I still say though that the outcome is not written in stone (though BB knows what it would like to see) as the HGs are free to act independently as they have done in past years.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:42 pm
Ok, if this is totally scripted, how did Alison script the HoH croquet comp where Dick beat Dustin in his last stroke? I see absolutely now way that could have been controlled. Dick made the shot, the game went one way. If Dustin had been HoH the game would have gone a completely different way. I could go through various other similar situations, but this one is enough to prove my point. How did they control this? My theory is they may push for certain evictions they would prefer, and may try to show folks in a certain role. But sorry I don't buy that everything is pre-determined, neither by God (as Jam/Amb believed) or by BB.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:47 pm
Lurk, they had giant magnets under the whole backyard. I thought you knew?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:50 pm
Oh you are good Naja!!! I think we should spend some time figuring out how they rigged some of the other competitions. 
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:53 pm
quote:But perhaps you could explain why BB would script a Boogie and Erica final two, when they could have scripted a Will and Janelle final two? I can't see that.
Easy that was what they chose to do.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 12:59 pm
If that is the script this week, Jameka going hom, they've told Dick and not Dani. Seems like Dick just cannot escape the idea of bing in F4 with Jess and Eric. Jess and Eric are not going to go that way if they get one more chance and Dani is wanting to get rid of Jess or Eric NOW. Dick seems to be hung up on keeping that "alliance" I would love to see Dani just go ahead and pull Jameka off (not that she isn't gunning for Dani too, so that's another problem) and then between Jameka, Dick and Dani see who goes. It would be Eric, but of course AG wants him to stay.. But if Eric was gone then Jameka and Jess would take on Dani and Dick with Zach still going to each of them wanting to insure his next week.. Oy. Oh and I don't think Dani has a chance against Dick. Even the most vocal against him still prefer the bad boy to his daughter. I can hear the reasons.. he'd be better at managing the money (ignoring that at 44 he has not done so, since he claims to need even the stipend badly, whatever. Actually I think Jen would vote for Dani over Dick, based on gameplay. Amber would be torn, because of that early drinking bond with Dick, I think would choose him over Dani and would choose Jameka or Jess for sure. Amber wouldn't choose Eric. As for All Stars.. remember we had the Julie Chen going off HER script foul up with that volcano challenge. Once she gave information that was not on the script to Erika, even though only Erika heard it, they couldn't start over without a huge stink, so they lost Janelle from the part of the competition they thought she'd win, endurance. Erika won without enduring at all. That also cheated Erika out of competing for the car.. she might have beaten Boogie if her pilates helped with upper body strength (that's hard to say, Boogie definitely did have the upper body strength that seemed to be required for that competition). Amd clearly they weren't controlling Erika OR Janie well or they wouldn't have lost Will at F4..
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Jadedone
Member
09-01-2007
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 1:38 pm
Jimmer, I agree with you. I, like Messalina, am equating scripted with heavily influenced and manipulated. I also agree that the influence only goes so far especially at this point in the game. Lurk, it would be impossible for them to pre-determine the winner of every competition. They can slant competitions to favor certain players but things happen to thwart their wishes as has been evidenced in other seasons. Janelle would have won BB6 or BB7 if that were the case. I'm just saying that the producers seem to be exerting a lot of influence on who gets evicted this season, more so than other seasons. They wait for the POV to be over and then exert their influence. I still predict Jameka, then Zach, but I hope I'm wrong for the integrity of the game. If Jessica or Eric go this week, then just maybe the producers will have realized that we're really on to them.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 2:15 pm
Naja I am SERIOUSLY
When I was writing my post, so help me I almost said, "were there massive magnets built in under the yard to move the balls around" (since folks said that in that arcade type ball rolling comp and others in years past). But I thought it sounded a bit snide so I didn't. So GMTA in an unusal way here!!!! And Jaded, as I recall in the past when they slanted comps that seemed to benefit certain players, those folks almost always found a way to loose lolol. But ITA as well with the heavy influence thing. But unless I'm wrong some folks think it's beyond that. And I think we are at a part of the game where it boils down to HG choices. I doubt anyone in there, cept Eric when wearing his AP hat, could care less what the DR suggests now. As for who is going, I sat listening to D/D go over all the pro's and con's and I honestly think they have no clue what to do. And ironically I, who have much more info than they do, have no clue what they should do lol. Dani was right, if they make the best short term move (getting rid of Jess or Eric) they lose Jury votes. But dare they chance it, cause they still have to make it to the jury. OH Sea...I always felt that since Julie had been totally unclear on the volcano rules they easily could have restarted it with just Janelle and Erika on there. The fact alone that Boogie jumped off startling Janelle 3 seconds in should have warrented a restart IMHO. Part of that game is NOT having another player fly bye you out of the blue, with a host giving instructions clear as mud. But even if Janelle had a shot, they were pretty equal in endurance IMHO. I think it would have been quite a fight, and one we should have seen.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 3:43 pm
Lurk, that was the single greatest tragedy in BB history.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 3:57 pm
Which part Bic...the HoH ending and Janelle getting booted off, or us never getting to see what the heck that volcano prop DID....after they spent endless hours building it? lol Oh my they are talking food...that's it I really am off to the market. Not making due another night I want some FOOD! lol
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 4:13 pm
LOL, the endurance comp that never was! And I really wanted to see what that volcano did, too.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 4:27 pm
totally scripted ? no heavily scripted or Partially scripted I'd say. Add majorly manipulated in the DR as well. There is no way anyone can predetermine how well a HG will be liked or disliked, yes there is. Play goofy cheezy fake church music (not a hymm, just random notes) and snippets of prayers over and over and over again like the person does not do anything else in the house Splice together all the stupid and ignorant things a person has said and put them out of order/ out of context while showing Video of them getting changed or Cramming their face with food after finally being off of slop. Leave out all of the Horrible swearing, obscene sexual threats and death threats while splicing cute poses and theatric glowers together with Cool guitar licks playing. edit together all kinds of brilliant gameplay conversations suggesting that this person is the one who came up with the idea first...not just is repeating what he was told LOL When put the show together you take out anything that would turn the public against your 'pick'. When you do show a tiny bit of what they do, you demonize the other player making them appear 'asking for it'. this is done by splicing together bits n pieces over the first month. even on Feeds, we are being manipulated by what feed we are allowed to see. anyways, everyone is allowed to have their opinion that this is a fair and balanced game and the TV show is true and accurate. Most of us don't.
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Messalina
Member
06-19-2005
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 4:34 pm
Wow, Sunshyne! Great post. Thank you.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 4:35 pm
Sun, you and I hardly ever agree on anything, but I always enjoy hearing your take on things. The funniest bits of the show this year to me were the ones you referenced, Amber's "what does that mean" segment, her "I wanna be a Top Model" segment, and the church music segments. In BB's defense, they really couldn't air the "c***" comments or the sexually graphic comments. There was simply no way to edit those to make them okay for TV. I don't understand why they didn't air Amber's anti-semitic conversation. In years past, they never had a problem airing other racially charged words from players. The TV show can never be true or accurate for live feed watchers, I think. There is simply too much information to condense into these shows. Everyone is bound to think something important was left out. Those that don't watch live feeds and depend on the boards for accurate information lose a lot in the translation, IMO.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 5:08 pm
Actually, Jimmer, if Dustin hadn't offered himself up as a nominee, he wouldn't have been evicted (and yeah, Dick likely would've been). How was that scripted? Did the DR tell Dustin "you are safe so get yourself nominated?" Nope. Even Dustin himself said his own arrogance was his downfall. Lurk, wasn't the croquet "shot that won the game" a POV comp, and not an HOH comp? Wasn't that the one that Dick won and saved Dani? These HGs are not receiving scripts. Do you really think Amber would allow herself to be portrayed as <self-modded>? If these HGs didn't say or do these things, there'd be nothing to work with. CBS has said they refuse to air some of the more "controversial" statements made by the HGs. So the fact that they didn't air Amber's comments, or Eric's comments, or Dick's comments... what's the whoop? If you want to be fair, both Eric's and Amber's little sound bites should've been aired. And I agree... almost all of the AP votes have pretty much been in alignment with the majority of people here and other places. My neighbor, who doesn't watch ST2 or the feeds, has come up with her own likes/dislikes this season. And oddly enough, she likes Dick, she thinks the J/E "showmance" is gross, she thought Jen was self-absorbed, she thought Amber did nothing but cry, and I won't go into what she thinks of Jameka. Pretty much the same conclusions I've come to. Again, I think this is all about not liking those who are left in the house and being all riled up about the possibility that Dick and Daniele will be in F2. And actually, I am totally loving it and hope D/D and Z are in F3.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 7:26 pm
The word SCRIPTED is being used to literally here. Instead it is that Alison/BB have specific goals and to reach those goals the HG are being heavily manipulated PLUS they have their tool, the AP. Comparing this year to other years is like comparing apples and oranges. This is AG first year as primary producer and first time for AP. And from what the HG say...DR is using lots of suggestions and manipulations. By the way...the last comp for the HOH...rigged? Well they could have been very slowly filling the bowl from the bottom with a small opening that came up thru the pedastals. LOL jk
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 7:29 pm
HHmmm...ED has said that the DR told him to trust Eric. Eric's every push for who is to be nominated and evicted helps ED. BB/AG controls what is on the AP card. Curious!
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