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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 8: Dick's Finances and College: Archive through August 29, 2007 users admin

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Kalekona
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06-12-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kalekona a private message Print Post    
Daniele hasn't spoken to her Dad in two years and treats him like crap why should he sacrifice anything for her?
Kids that have everything handed to them don't always have it easiest.
If you work hard for something you want it will matter much more for you.
So Dick has a Vette and a Harley is he not allowed to have anything for himself? Vincent and Daniele are not teens they are adults who are on their own, just when do some of you think a parent can stop supporting their children?

My understanding is Daniele dropped of college once already.
So now that she regrets it and wants to find a better school Dick is responsible to pay for it?

Doesn't sound like Dick had anything given to him and worked for everything he has and has done, not a bad example to give your kids.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I didn't know Dani asked Dick to win so he could send her to college. I thought this was Dick "sacrificing" for his daughter again -- in front of the cameras, of course, just to prove what a good father he is.

And of course, in that unconditional love kind of way that Dick has, when he gets angry with her, the idea is gone and now he just wants to send Vincent to college.

(But then, when Dick gets angry at Vincent for not doing exactly what Dick wants, Dick will have the perfect excuse to dspend it all on himself).

Robinyyes
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07-06-2004

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Robinyyes a private message Print Post    
Dani also said she bets someone would give her a car outside. So I'm really not worried about her finding a way to finance her going to school. First she has to get her GED from high school though. She did say she dropped out.

Kalekona
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06-12-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kalekona a private message Print Post    
What Dick is saying when he talks about it being unfair to Vincent for him to play for Daniele is that he has TWO kids and Daniele doesn't deserve any money more than Vincent. If Dick played for himself he could help Both his children out financially. But by playing to further Daniele only one of his kids could end up with any money since we all know how well Daniele "shares" anything.

So while he thought he was doing the right thing when helping his daughter to win over himself he now sees that isn't really the best out come after all. And that if he won they all would win not just Daniele.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
In other words, Dick has justified his throwing Dani under the bus. He will use her to the end and then get rid of her so he is $500,000 richer.

How sweet!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I doubt Dick has 2 cents to rub together. He doesn't own a home but he says he has 2 vehicles? It's all fine and dandy to have kids pay their own way for school but I imagine most parents would help if they could.

Dick doesn't strike me as the type to consider the future especially if it involves his kids.

I agree with the poster that said they thnk the going back to school was for the cameras. Dani is a lot like her dad and lives in the here and now.

Marksman
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05-04-2007

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marksman a private message Print Post    
A few things...

First of all Dick is entirely responsible for this contradiction. He did go around bragging about his car and motorcycle, or so I recall. Secondly, he did say if he won he would use the money to help Vincent go to College. So the Big Brother Money is okay to send Vincent to college, but his own money is not?

I totally understand that parents are not obligated, nor should they be obligated to send their kids to college. But if what Dick says about himself is true, and if his desires have been clear, he has certainly had the means to be at least a little benevolent towards his children and their education.

I suspect they do not have secrete college funds squirreled away. And again all of this is a non-issue if Dick did not say he would spend money on Vincent's education.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
maybe dick asked vincent before he left for the house, what he (vincent) would like if he won. perhaps vincent said 'to go to college'.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I think Dani should move to New York, establish residency, and join the SUNY college system. Tuition is roughly 3,000 a year. She could go to FIT for fashion mechandising or design, which she would be brilliant at--could even get an AA degree if she's not a school head.

I've got it all planned out, see? Dani you are a fashion talent, get your butt to fashion school!

Beruthiel
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08-07-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beruthiel a private message Print Post    
Interestingly, last night Dick said that he worked at TWO jobs while going to High school, after leaving home at age 16, and sharing a place with two other boys, so he didn't have everything handed to him on a platter.
It's amazing that we can make our ethical decisions about these people based on so little real knowledge of what their lives are, and were like, simply based on the odd snippets of things they say, and about which we infer so much.
If Dick has seen the light, and decided that Danielle has her own opportunity, and that any winnings HE might have would benefit his OTHER child as well as his daughter, then he's finally made some sense.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
ITA, Beruthiel.

Beruthiel
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08-07-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beruthiel a private message Print Post    
Thank you, Jeanne.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Could I just point out that we have NO clue what their situation is. I clearly recall Dani talking to Dick about how much she HATED it when she was in college. How she had no friends, and was home alone the entire time.

So clearly at some point she WAS in some higher institute of learning, and it sure sounded like she chose to leave because of the social aspect of it. Their discussion was a comparison of how much she hates being around people she doesn't like, not school or his role in paying or anything like that.

But we don't know what he has provided her, how much he loaned her, what either of their situations were etc. I do know that Vincent replied to a question on this where folks were implying Dick had been a deadbeat Dad. If anyone cares they might want to try to find that, since he made it clear that was NOT the case growing up, and it was the Mother who never contributed anything financially.

Also, since her Grandmother seemed to insist on legal custody, I would assume she also had a financial tie to this, for those who feel money should be be there for college (not getting into that, as I had it way too easy and I'm not sure that served me well in life).

And FWIW perhaps Vincent wants to go to school and can't afford it, so Dick wants to help. Perhaps Dani said she wanted it for school because saying she wanted a trip to Europe and Disneyworld doesn't sound so good. Dunno...but if I was going to speculate that is what comes to my mind from all I've heard. But even with that, I am still sure there are lots of other factors we plain and simply have no clue about. I have no clue what Dick really drives, how he finanaced it, etc, but I would doubt a car payment would cover full college tuition and expenses. And that is just one teensy tiny part of a big complex area that we know very little about. So I don't feel it's my place to judge or blame.

But my point isn't to take a stand for or against anyone...it's to say that far as I can tell we really don't know what happened, what choices were made by whom and why.

Webchiq
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07-11-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Webchiq a private message Print Post    
I would like to add that her diary from when she was younger indicates that Dani did well in school, that was middle school and part of high school.

Dallasbbfan
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07-08-2002

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dallasbbfan a private message Print Post    
I think after Amber said that she wanted to give money to her mom Dani figured she better come up with something better than "shopping!".

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
One more point...I have several dear friends who worked multiple jobs to get themselves through college, took student loans and managed. Granted tuition was less than but there is always a way. A couple years ago my cousin was convinced there was no way they could afford to send both their girls to college and sure enough they are both in good schools, with loans, financial aide, grants and yes some savings. But my point is I can't think of anyone I know firsthand who had the DESIRE to go to college that didn't find a way.

Again general info since I just don't feel we know nearly enough to judge here. (But I personally totally agree too w/ Beruthiel lol). And my last comment is one someone alluded to earlier in the thread but in a different way. I feel it might be hard to financially help out a daughter who has cut you out of their life and won't deal with you. And as for their fight being about $$, again we have no clue. He might have been paying for some stuff, loaned her more for other stuff and she just felt entitled. WHO KNOWS?? I don't. But I can see that happening as much as anything else.

K...jumping (slowly) off soapbox!

Jhmom
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07-10-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jhmom a private message Print Post    
Dick could follow an example used in my family to help with college. The student attends any college of choice via student loans. After graduation the parents pay the loan off, usually in much quicker time than a college student can.

If the student flunks out or quits then the loans are their responsibility.

Makes the student appreciate how much an education costs. This works for us.

I paid for the majority of my college education myself or through scholarships. I appreciate my education more than others I know that didn't have to make their own way.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
All I can say is this thread is a great example of Drew Carey's question on Power of 10 to Amber with respect to being "scrutinized" by the public. Glass houses, IMO. It's very easy to take things that we learn about the folks in the house we "don't like" and use that information to turn them into evil creatures. I really doubt that any of them are evil people -- their bad or bizarre traits are certainly magnified in this game -- but those traits do not necessarily define who they are as a whole.

ETA: I have two degrees and I paid for both with my own earnings, loans, and scholarships. I never expected my parents to pay my way, and hold no resentment that they did not.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Excellent post, Jeanne. I've been saying for some time that they all have a good side AND a bad side. Not having a favorite this year has helped me see both sides of each of them very clearly. That's a big part of why I am enjoying this particular season.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
Bee, I'm enjoying this year so much too for similar reasons.

Fieryfurnace
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07-05-2006

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fieryfurnace a private message Print Post    
college in CA is incredibly cheap. If Dani wanted to go she could easily go to a community college and pay for it on minimum wage. I did it.

Onlymytulips
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07-17-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlymytulips a private message Print Post    
I am sorry---but I thought Danielle only said she wanted to go back to school to get some attention from the Amber's "my mother was a single mother" wooing the audience.
Danielle seems to me as being one who wants alot of stuff, and if she won she would be too busy spending her winnings to go to school.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
earlier someone made a comment that dani would be able to get financial aid.

Here in Canada your parents have to make under a certain amount of money so you can even attempt to get it.

If Dick truly RUNS clubs and does promotion, it is pretty unlikely he is at poverty level.

since her grandma was legal guardian, does it still apply now that she an adult?

I'm thinking she is too old to claim aid.

am I completely wrong or just looking at the situation sidewides instead of straight on?

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I caught dick talking last night to zach. I sure did sound like Dick was letting him know that Dani was expendable.

As for the title of this thread, we know Little about his finanaces OR what the kids have done for college.

so we can theorize and debate but no one really knows whom is right or wrong

My theory is that Dick DOES have money....money for traveling, money for drugs, money for booze, the latter of which he talks about quite a lot.

those are all luxury items. even cigs are expensive and if you dont have the $$$ you dont smoke as many.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Sunsyne, if Dani is declared independent on her tax returns she is eligible for financial aid based on her own income, not her parents or grandparents. That would also mean that no one could claim Dani as a dependant, and therefore as a tax deduction, on their own tax return.

ETS in the state of New York they go a step further--if you make less than I think 6,000 a year in taxable income you can receive $3,000 in a state grant. There may be a similiar grant in California.