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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 3:59 pm
the one thing about this year compared to bb6, is that it seems close to 50/50 opinions in here, were as bb6 was like 90/10 for the sov6. heaven help you if you liked one of the friendship. lol
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 4:05 pm
One thing that I have noticed is that, much like how the houseguests seem to spend a great deal of time finding things to hate about another houseguest (Jen at this moment, but others have been the target), people tend to be constantly posting every negative thing that they can find about the houseguests they dislike, often twisting words or taking things out of context to make their point. Ooohhh...Dani just twitched her nose...I KNEW she was secretly a witch! (Exaggerated purely for effect! ) But, in another parallel to the house, after the initial outburst of outrage and horror for whatever "horrible deed" has been seen to have been committed, many times there is an opportunity for an actual discussion of behavior or meaning or even the nature of the game and reality. It is those discussions, which unfortunately are becoming rarer and rarer every day, that make this board different from all the others. I hope we can stop reacting to every little thing the houseguests do and start responding to each other with ideas and analysis rather than outrage and disgust.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 4:12 pm
The very fact that a thread with this title is okay with the Mods, speaks volumes about how openminded, objective, and tolerant they are. Doubtful that a thread like this would exist, on another board, if a member there wanted to open it up for discussion.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 4:15 pm
If I don't care for something or if something makes me want to vent or rant, I generally wash my hands of it. What I need to work on for myself is the "all or nothing mentality" that that is not how everyone chooses to handle it. I allow myself to get frustrated when someone is unhappy about something and doesn't walk away. That isn't my call or my business and I should work on that. Ever have one of those moments when something just clicks and you go "Ah-ha, that's what my issue is?" Stacey, thank you for helping me to realize what my problem is! I very seldom just "vent" about something someone does and it drives me crazy to read post after post of venting, mostly because I hate to feel so much anger being expressed over the situation. Obviously, I need to get over it rather than expecting others to stop their behavior. Thank you.
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Citadelle
Member
07-06-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 4:18 pm
It is impressive to me that we are willing to consider our own actions and biases in this thread, especially b/c we are so quick to judge the HG for theirs! It renews my faith in the board.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 5:36 pm
GROUP HUG
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Moderator
Moderator
06-30-2002
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 5:41 pm
FYI - if a poster makes a negative remark about you or any other poster, please feel free to Email the moderator account at moderator@tvclubhouse.com. Please do NOT chastise or correct any other poster. It generally just makes things worse. If you Email with the name of the thread, name of the poster, and time of the post, we will be happy to take a look at it. Thank you for keeping this thread polite and respectful!
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 5:42 pm
earthmother, i follow you around the board because i love to read your posts!!! you are one of my favorites posters. thank you.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 5:46 pm
Mame, your post made me smile 
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 5:52 pm
well thank you Cndeariso..that's sweet of you.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 5:58 pm
What a wonderful thread. I agree with a lot of the comments that have been made above. Sometimes my dander does get pushed by some posters, but I try to keep my retorts under control (Season 6 was another story, however). I personally am glad that the moderators moderate some of us from time to time as that is what makes TV Clubhouse special. I like that we are not allowed to cuss, bad mouth each other or the houseguests, etc. We should be able to disagree and express our viewpoints in a mature manner.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 6:06 pm
Just to refresh people's minds about the questions posed ... Is it true that the uglier the house gets, the uglier we get? There has been talk about "Mob mentality" in the house and there is talk about villianizing a player. Does anyone on the board see this happening with the posters? Do we villianize the gamers we don't like? Do we ignore the faults of our favorites? Do we bash other posters because they bash our favorites? Is the dynamics of the BB Board reflective of the dynamics in the house?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 6:21 pm
if a poster makes a negative remark about you or any other poster what I've noticed thru the years is that some people joke? around by posting a snarky comment then add a smiley and say JK! This gives a false impression you can say anything if you mitigate it with a less brutal comment or smiley. There are some here who see anyone who disagrees with their point of view as being Bashers. It happens every year. There are varying degrees of negativity and disagreement. HOW a particular poster approaches the comment is how personally they want to take it. I've personally found that even when I word a post very carefully using In My Opinion, seems like and It could be still can cause trouble because of the Person who reads it has their own degree of touchiness. I've been told i bash posters yet I see myself as someone who appreciates ALL views and is completely accepting of a person's right to state their opinion. Why cant I state mine as well? I've been gone for awhile yet have been keeping up with the reading of almost all posts. many things seem to me to be breaking rules all over the place yet those posts stay in, unmoderated. trouble on the board could be solved by brutal moderation. Whole threads deleted Whole batches of posts removed. I truly believe that it would be a deterent and most people would use more control if they felt accountability.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 6:31 pm
Sunshyne, thank you for your comments. I again would urge anyone who sees something that they think we have missed to Email the moderator account. I think people forget we have real lives, and are not here 24/7. We do the best we can. But for everyone who thinks we don't moderate enough, there's another one who thinks we are already too brutal. (that's a sincere smilie!) However, please, NO more posts about moderating. That's not what this thread is for, and it is against the rules, even though people like to ignore it, to critique moderating on the board. Thank you.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 6:35 pm
Sun, great to see ya back posting, many of us missed ya lots!
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 6:41 pm
Kearie, since I didn't directly answer your questions in my previous posts... I don't think the ugliness in the house is the reason for any ugliness here. I think that the people in the house get "ugly" for the same reason that people here get "ugly" because of human nature. There is a need to bond with others while at the same time a need judge and evaluate people and their worth, especially in comparison to ourselves. In the house, the game intensifies the need as does the close, confined quarters. Here on the boards, the 24 access to the house allows posters to feel like they are within the game, so the intensity is raised. The dynamics may look the same because they stem from the same place, but one does not cause the other. Is there a mob mentality in the house and on the board? Yes, but that is the nature of group interactions. The lack of individuation within a group is strangely comforting. Look at how many posters say they are relieved when someone else posts what they think of as an abherrent thought. Most people are not comfortable outside the norm. But there are moments when people step back and try to look at their behavior. Deep down, Eric knows that he's wrong, as exemplified by his statements that outside the house he would step in to defend Jen against Dick and Zach agreed. But neither wants to look too closely about what that means, because they would have to break from their comfortable position within the group. The villianizing has been going on for years. It's happened on all the BBs I watch. People are constantly looking for the guys in the white hats and the guys in the black hats. Look at all the threads as to rank housemates, asking who to root for, asking who is to blame for behaviors. What people tend to forget is that these are human beings who can be both black and white and even pink, green and yellow, depending on the moment. As for the questions of villianizing gamers, ignoring faults and bashing others, yes it all happens. It's instinctive behavior to attack, defend or walk away when our judgement (which is what our opinion of a HG really is) is questioned. As I said earlier, people within the house and the posters outside are reacting rather than responding and it's leading to some unpleasant behavior but it's not evil, it's just one of the many human qualities we exhibit.
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Kirstenk
Member
07-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 6:57 pm
I think the board swings with the house mood, especially the "happenings" thread and there is a lot of mob mentality there. I stopped posting there, stopped voting and next year I won't get the feeds. Not worth it.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:04 pm
Kirstenk, I think that the tone of that thread is a constant reaction to the house, or to what is perceived to be going on in the house. It is not always indicative of the mood of the house, though. For instance, a couple of days ago, the HGs were playing quarters or some other drinking game, and they were having fun. The people in the thread, though, were complaining about it being boring, and about a HG's voice, and the look on someone's face, and so forth. But that thread is definitely the most reactive and I pretty much only post there late at night or when it's a slow day. Now I don't read it otherwise.
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Citadelle
Member
07-06-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:08 pm
only, what an excellent assessment. I agree 100%, and wish I had something insightful to add but you've written exactly what I've been thinking. Thank you.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:08 pm
The one thread that really got me thinking about this whole topic was the thread about Jen going out with a bang...or getting revenge before she leaves. It made me wonder if WE really would do this things. Are we cheering for and hoping for bad behavior? Are we as vengeful as we seem...over a TV show? Just got me wondering if BB is effecting our behavior.
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Deeva
Member
07-26-2006
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:17 pm
As someone who has been chastised... I think when things get exciting in the house, posters do escalate their excitement also. I've been mean to certain HG and have let myself get baited for innocent comments I make and then set out to force my point unto the ones who baited me. What I liked about the revenge thing...it's a way to let off steam while sticking to same posting rules...can't recall if I posted there yet, but I did enjoy some of the outrageous ideas that were posted and they made me feel better...diffused by laughter...can't ask for more than that. I was being baited again today and realised all of this. LOL Go figure.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:25 pm
What I liked about the revenge thing...it's a way to let off steam while sticking to same posting rules...can't recall if I posted there yet, but I did enjoy some of the outrageous ideas that were posted and they made me feel better...diffused by laughter...can't ask for more than that. Thanks Deeva. I never considered that, but you made an excellent and are probably right. We're just venting in a way we find amusing.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:29 pm
Nothing changes... Try posting that you were a Dani fan or a James fan during All-Stars.. or a Twins fan during Season 5 or a Maggie Fan during Season 6... Why...I was even told by someone that they FELT SORRY for me to be a Dani(BB3) fan...the nerve. Hey Suz...you remember that?
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:34 pm
Kearie, I don't think people are vengeful because of the house. Earlier this season, people were out to get Eric because of how he had "thumbed his nose at them" and refused to be their puppet. People got revenge by sending banners and voting to screw Eric up. This was in response to a perceived slight by Eric, and their own frustration that a favorite got the boot. It had little to do with the house. But people are sympathizing with Jen right now because there is a human drive for revenge, usually because one thinks it will alleviate real or imagined pain. That's usually not the case, but you don't know that until you have nothing left but yourself. People are angry, for a variety of reasons, so they need Jen to act out so they can relieve themselves of the turbulent feelings. Of course, these are all just generalities, there are lots of individual reasons why people are cheering on certain things and up in arms over others. I am almost as fascinated by the posters on the boards as I am by the people in the BB house. Human nature is fascinating to me. (though I won't watch another Dick rant, because that just hits too close to home for my comfort. My nature is to avoid things that stir me up!) Hi, Citadelle, thanks for the compliments. I've enjoyed your posts in other threads!
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Kirstenk
Member
07-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:36 pm
I know that while I was posting in there I became very aware of sides (like in the house)and Mob Mentality (like in the house) You are right and the mood of that thread doesn't necessarily match the house at a given time but the thread is highly influenced by what is happening in the BB House. Kearie.....I think that BB does effect behavior in the forums.
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