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Back Dooring or Back Boring?

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Caprica
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02-10-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I am over the backdoor. The occasional is one thing but every week, give me a break. Big Brother needs to do something to curb the Backdoor strategy because it really defeats the purpose of the Veto and undermines the integrity of the game.

I was thinking they could possibly have a new competition on Wednesday before the live show. Ten questions with a tie breaker asked in the Diary room . The winner is immune from nomination. Since it takes place before the eviction and the HOH completion there are two chances that the prize will be null and void. The winner of immunity would only be revealed to the HOH right before he or she is preparing to make their nominations ( during lock down before the ceremony).The HOH would not be allowed to reveal who was immune until after the Veto ceremony.

Any idea’s how BB can make the game exiting without there being a back door eviction every week?

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Back boring.

Someone suggested that the HOH nominate three people and they compete for POV. I thought that sounded good.

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gina8642 a private message Print Post    
I think it keeps the game moving. In previous seasons the week just dragged on with the same two folks targeted for the full week. Now, things are always changing, who's going is always up in the air. I think it's improved the TV show.

Is it fair for the HGs - no, not really. But, there isn't really anything fair about this thing called BB.

Chicogirl
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07-23-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chicogirl a private message Print Post    
I think it keeps the game exciting and the house guests on their toes.
People always think they are safe, this is a good way to say "No, you're not"

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Showing house guests the back door is some times a necessary evil in the BB house but this season it has been done to an excess. Many of the evicted house guest never even participated in the veto competition. The Veto was started to give Hg's a chance to save themselves from eviction not give the HOH a way to get rid of a persistent house guest.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
they should let all play veto all the time, wouldnt stop bd-ing but might help

Jarriluvs
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07-27-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jarriluvs a private message Print Post    
IMHO... I would like to see the whole nomination process change. (Maybe a one season trial) I would like to have the viewers be the ones to vote for 3 not 2 nominees for eviction for the HOH to announce. Then ONLY the 3 nominees play in the POV competition to get one of themselves off of the block. Then the remaining houseguests get to vote 1 of the 2 of them out!

No pre-screening, no backdooring and best of all, NO Americas Player anymore.


Caprica
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02-10-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Sadly the edits would seal the fate of many a good competitor.

Citadelle
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07-06-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Citadelle a private message Print Post    
I think it would really be boring to have two targets who stay on the block all week and the chosen one is evicted. The "back door" has provided some good surprises and unexpected evictions this year.

Amy in BB3 was the first I ever heard talk about the "going out the back door", but I don't remember the circumstances. It was during a conversation with Roddy.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Maybe add a new rule -- only POV players can be nominated as the replacement if the POV is used. Anyone who didn't play for POV is safe. Anyone who draws a "Houseguest's Choice" ball will be faced with a tough choice.

They could also throw in a one early POV competition where it's possible for no one to win, just to keep future HOHs on their toes.

Actually, I don't really mind that so many replacement nominees have been evicted this season. The current rules are fine with me.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Back boring!

Gowilk
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08-24-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gowilk a private message Print Post    
Best and fairest solution IMHO is "if you don't get to compete in POV competition, you can't be nominated if someone takes themself off", that eliminates the 6-finger plan which is really the unfair part. Plus it adds intensity to the POV competition which is frequently thrown. If you don't want to go out "simple, win the POV competition" end of story.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Sadly the edits would seal the fate of many a good competitor.


The edits DO seal the fate of HGs.

I find all this backdooring boring but what BB producers didnt understand is, putting half the house as serious gamers would allow them to find a way to work the POV to their way of thinking.

I find it boring especially when they pick those stupid little balls. I want to see something more concrete. Like everyone writing their name down and it goes into a hat.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Each year brings something new. This year is the constant backdoor. We look, we listen, we adapt or we complain. But hey what is BB without us complaining? Me included. LOL.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 6:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
The pov should be played in a way that the participants have no way of knowing how the others have done. There has been a lot of talk about throwing pov to other people and accusations of cheating this year.

BB should make it impossible to cheat and hard to throw it to a specific player. Even make nearly impossible to win at times.
Like I said before the occasional Back dooring is OK but as a constant strategy it is boring and seems a little bit unfair when the whole house unites to get a few out.

Eddie4ever
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08-17-2007

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eddie4ever a private message Print Post    
Instead of AP next year, they should let us be an actual player in veto (only), a quiz or something at the site to win a vote. If we win, we vote to use or not use veto, and...as the twist, we get to choose the replacement.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I well remember the first time the BD strategy was used. I don't remember the person or even the season, but I do remember the look on his face when he knew he'd been had....priceless! He had gone on and on in a cocky fashion on how safe he was when he wasn't nominated. The payoff for the viewer was so sweet...and funny.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
who cheated and when? Throwing a pov to someone isn't cheating if that's your stategy.

Jedisan
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01-11-2002

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jedisan a private message Print Post    
I thought it was Nakomis that came up with the plan - only she called it the "six finger" plan, but the idea was the same. The target was Jace, and yes it was a priceless moment when he was evicted.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
No, it was way before Nakomis' season.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
prove it :-)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't know why BB messed with the POV. I thought they had set it up perfectly a couple of seasons ago.

The problem with all of the people playing in the POV is that you had a lot of disinterested players who never wanted to stir things up by vetoing someone. Inevitably, the winner never used the POV. I think it was used twice in two seasons.

Then they came up with the great idea (IMO) of having the nominees and the HOH each pick a player to play with them. All of a sudden, everyone playing had a real stake in winning and the veto was used a lot more. It was exciting.

Then Nik came up with the 6 finger plan to backdoor Jase and BB realized that it was unfair to someone who couldn't play.

So they made a great rule change or at least concept change. They clearly announced that some POVs may not be winnable by anyone. Therefore, there was a real risk to attempting the 6 finger plan because if no one won the POV, the decoy nominees would be stuck there and one would be evicted. Perfect. They should have left it that way.

After that for some inexplicable reason they went to this ridiculous balls in the bag routine which IMO is terrible.

Kimsue
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07-08-2005

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kimsue a private message Print Post    
Time for another change in the Veto part of the game. For next year of course.

Prior to the half way point. I think all contestants should play and that there should be three Veto medals awarded for the first two weeks, two for the next two weeks. And I think the Veto ceremony should happen directly after the competition. No waiting and no time for bargaining. I think after the half way point of the season that only the HOH and nominees should be allowed to play for a single veto.

Just an idea..for what it's worth.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Although in many cases backdoor was malicious and unfair, not giving the person (Eric and Jen)
a chance to compete, it made the game more exciting.

Now all this "playing it safe" is simply BORING.

Jessica lacks a mind of her own and Eric wants to be in F3. Where's the excitment now?

Lake_gal
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06-09-2004

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lake_gal a private message Print Post    
I wish all the POV challenges were done where the other HGs do not know the results of each other till after the game. Nobody could throw it to another HG. Also they need more comps where there might not be a winner. It would keep everyone on their toes.

Plus since they are voting live anyway. Maybe don't announce to everyone who has won the POV till they are about to vote on Thursday. Then the POV winner would decide if they are using it live on the show. The HOH would have to immediately pick the replacement. Then the HGs told to go and vote immediately. Everyone would be scrambling and someone that thought they were safe all week could be put on the block and gone. I think it would be exciting for the live show. It would be a last minute decision for voting and the HGs would not always be able to discuss with their alliance who to vote out. I like the unexpected. And HGs would not be as likely to be threatened into voting in line with the bullies.

Hotfudge
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07-03-2005

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hotfudge a private message Print Post    
They should make it that the POV winner can get nommed if they use it. That would curb a lot of POV usuage.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Unfortunately, Hotfudge, when the POV winner could get nommed, no one (after Marcellus) would use it. Made the whole POV ceremony a total waste of time and a big snore.

Delilah
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07-08-2005

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delilah a private message Print Post    
Maybe if they had the same rule in effect for POV that they have for HOH ... if you *use* POV you can't play for POV the next week.

Could that maybe make some HGs be a little more selective in using the POV?

Also for what its worth, I don't know if this season is all about planned backdooring ... to me it seems like they just have changed their minds mid-week, rather than setting out with the goal of backdooring someone (except for Daniele backdooring Jen.)

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Delilah...problem is that if you couldn't play for POV if you usedit, no one would use it because then they couldn't save themselves the following week. Then things would get real boring

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
That would be interesting, Delilah. Maybe they should change it up with different rules on different weeks.