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Flyincows
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07-17-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Flyincows a private message Print Post    
What Dick does is look at each person for their "soft spot" then attack it; i.e., Jen's appearance; Jameka's religion, etc.
Well Dick's soft spot is his daughter - if dumping iced tea is ok, I wouldn't do it to him, I would to Dani. What ever he did to me or others would go right back at Dani.
He would punch me and I would say BUH BYE!!

Sidecar
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07-23-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sidecar a private message Print Post    
I think that one thing that none of us really know is what it is like to be in that house, confined 24x7 with little or no escape from what is going on, and under constant scrutiny. It is easy to say what you might do, but you really dont know how you would react in that situation, since it is so extreme to any experience you may have had.

Personally, I like to take a walk or drive when I am upset. Some people like to listen to music. Some talk it out with a friend. Go watch some TV or read a book. All of those activities are out of the question in that house.

Its an unnatural situation, and I think you have to keep that in mind when considering how the HGs have reacted.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
In real life, of course. In the BB house, who knows. After all if I was there I would be playing to bring the money home. Not to draw a big old target on myself. Plus I have yet to see any completely innocent victims in this years house. If there was it could be a whole different story.

I did notice something interesting this morning. On the Early Show Jen didn't even have a fraction of the contempt for Dick behavior as I have seen addressed by the viewers and posters. I also didn't see her claiming innocence. She totally owned up to the things she did. No apologizing, no excuses, no beating around the bush, just yeah I did and the reason.

The other thing I thought was interesting was a lot of people wanted to drop the incest bomb on her way out the door. Something she never mentioned again and more then likely never gave another thought. Words, actions and thoughts in that house are so magnified I think 99% of it is never thought about again. Sometimes as viewers we tend to latch on things until they have a life of their own, when in truth the HG's don't give it another thought. I have seen interviews after the fact on something we thought was a huge deal and the HG doesn't even remember it.

If you look at past history and all these HG's seems to be past fans of the shows, here is what I see.

Some of us wanted Nicole carted off to the looney bin when she threatened to chop Will to little pieces. They are friends now.

Most of us wanted Will removed from the game for his CT and cancer lie he was cooking up. He not only ended up winning but has been called one of the best BB players ever.

Marcellas didn't even want to live on the same planet as Danielle. They are friends now.

Janelle and Beau had a slap fest. They are friends now.

Who can say for a fact that Dick and Jen won't be breaking bread and having a big laugh come October.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
Sometimes many of us forget this is a game, they are not there to protect or make friends with anyone. Their job is to win money, not life long buddies,

I guess that is where we differ. Even in a game I am bound by my own morals and my own feelings on what is right and to me, no amount of money is worth going against them.

Also if I ever did go on a reality show (maybe Amazing Race but never BB!! lol) the money would NOT be my main objective. I don't believe money buys happiness. Living life and experiencing all it has to offer and making friends and feeling good about myself is what makes my life rich, not monetary rewards. I guess it is just how I was raised. We never had much money but my dad always used to say he was rich in love. I totally understand what Jen was saying when she explained how she never said she didn't WANT the money, just that she wasn't sure it would change her life for the better.

I KNOW I would have said something to Dick even if it meant his wrath and nastiness then turned on me and I lost the game. If I sat there and listened to all that filth and meanness spew from his lips and didn't stick up for Jen and then went ahead and won the money it would be an empty victory and I could never enjoy it. How I feel about myself will stay with me a lot longer than some green paper.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
Oh and cheers to you SinceBB1 for standing up for that dog!!!! I am a huge dog lover and hate when people abuse them! You rock Sincebb1!!! :o)

Sincebb1
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08-22-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sincebb1 a private message Print Post    
Thank you Sky!

Lafatme
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06-23-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lafatme a private message Print Post    
personally, i'm more than tired of dick and his antics in the house but...

when i was a kid my parents told me "sticks and stones may break my bones but WORDS will never HURT me."

when did we become such wimps that we cower because someone yells?

it's a sad statement of where we are as a society that we can't handle hearing words that we don't like.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
when i was a kid my parents told me "sticks and stones may break my bones but WORDS will never HURT me."


I have always hated that line. In my eyes it couldn't be more wrong. Ever see a child with a verbally abusive parent? Know how fast you can destroy someone that way? I would rather be physically beaten than verbally abused. I freely admit that words can hurt me more than sticks and stones any day.

Guinevere
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03-15-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Guinevere a private message Print Post    

quote:

I wouldn't be afraid that Dick would pull that on me because I wouldn't allow it, he would have gotten verbally as good as he sent.




All that does is bring you down to his level, IMO.


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it's a sad statement of where we are as a society that we can't handle hearing words that we don't like.




Words have power. I think being stuck in a house with someone who continually verbally abuses one would have to be mentally wearing. Especially if Jen is not used to being around such crude and disgusting talk. At least now that she is gone maybe they will all stop discussing the state of her underwear. Yuck.

Also, whether Dick's words caused Jen to "cower" or not, I certainly feel free to judge a man who expresses a desire to kill a woman and rape her corpse. Those may be "just words" to some, but to me they indicate serious mental issues; at the very least a raging case of misogyny.

Lafatme
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06-23-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lafatme a private message Print Post    
granted sky, IF the person being abusive is someone you love and trust, but not a stranger who you have no investment in.

Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
Compare <93> Maggie (sweet) Janelle. I wonder if Maggie's life, $500,000 richer, is better after BB than Janelle's.

Vickyfla
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06-29-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vickyfla a private message Print Post    
I would have stepped in. Jen is only 23, a baby in my eyes. I have a 23 year old son. I can't stand Dick. <93>

Yoda
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08-11-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yoda a private message Print Post    
As a 44 year old somewhat mature adult I would have stepped in; maybe try to reason with him "ED how would you feel if you weren't here and some other man was here and he was treating Dani the way you treat Jen? Would you applaud that as great game play or climb over the BB wall and kick his you know what?" If that didn't work I would channel my inner SuperNanny Jo and say "that is not acceptable; now go to the naughty chair for 44 minutes" (one minute for every year)

Seriously; I'm all for game play but IMHO ED has crossed the line.

Bombaycat
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07-21-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bombaycat a private message Print Post    
Flyincows - I was thinking the same thing. If I was in the house and Dick called me the B word, I'd turn around and call his daughter the same thing. Iced tea over my head, iced tea over Dani's head. Whatever he dished out to me, it would go back onto his daughter.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The easy and instinctive answer for me is that of course I would step in. I simply couldn't stand by and watch someone being treated that way. So that is the easy and instinctive answer.

However, I also would have to remind myself that this is a game. It is real but it is also unreal. Jen, Dick and everyone in the house are playing a game. We are all being observed more closely probably than any other group of people on earth. Jen is in no serious danger.

The next problem is that because it is a game and people are playing a game, they respond differently to these situations than they would in real life. For example, in the previous week, after all of her ill treatment from Dick, Jen still voted to keep Dick in the game over Dustin. Granted that Dustin showed his own imperfections in the game. However, he had not remotely treated Jen the same way that Dick did and yet Jen voted to evict him instead of Dick.

Also, defending other people in this game is a thankless task. Look at what happened to Mike. Remember Gerry's defense and veto of Marci in BB3? Gerry may not have gone about it the right way but it is very likely that had he not vetoed Marc, none of us would even remember Marci today. And yet Gerry was almost unanimously reviled by the other HGs and reviled by Marci himself.

I can easily see myself defending Jen and then having Jen turn on me at the next possible moment that it suited her strategy or benefited her. It is a cutthroat game. Also, as someone mentioned previously, antagonistic HGs often end up being friends in real life anyway.

Finally, Jen did not seem to want to be defended. I admire her courage and resolve in the face of Dick's attacks but that courage and resolve was also perceived as being aloof and uncaring. It may have been admirable on her part to stand up for herself but it was terrible strategy in the game. She could have generated enormous sympathy for herself from the other Houseguests and the viewing public and BB would have had to respond.

LOL – Having said all of the above, I still suspect that I would have stepped in anyway and it would have been ugly. It probably would have been against my best interests in the game but I just can't stand by in those situations. I hate it when someone is mean.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Hypothetical: Anyone who says they don't mind Dick's language and personal attacks should try out the Sucks board. I doubt it would be too much fun if every comment made was met with their standard responses (especially to noobs). Then be sure to post 24/7 for 5 or 6 weeks without a break (sort of what Jen had to endure) and not talk to anybody in your house or on the phone about how you feel. I'd bet that sooner or later, you'd either crumble, or resort to defending yourself with like comments.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
If "words won't hurt you" then I would like for someone to explain to me why there is an outcry when someone uses racially charged words.

Please! Words can be a brutal form of assault. I saw a posting back when Dick first started throwing these words at Jen and the person basically said he/she admired Dick for being "brutally honest". Huh? I like honesty as much as the next guy but one doesn't have to be brutal in order to be honest.

I wouldn't allow anyone to verbally assault someone in my home without speaking up about it. If it was someone I couldn't forcibly make leave such as in the BB house I would at the very least let them know of my disapproval and would then shun that person in every possible way.

So if words won't hurt let's throw them around with abandon in our postings. But...they are not allowed on this board. Why is that?

Nevermind. It was a rhetorical question.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
While striking at Dani is what would get to Dick I would not do it for 2 reasons.

1. It would be stooping to Dick's level

2. It wouldn't be fair to Dani.

While I don't care for Dani, a part of me does feel bad for her for having a father like Dick. Who would want that? She is embarrassed by his behavior and she does get lumped in and judged by the things he does.

I actually think Jen did handle things in a pretty good way. For the most part she tried to just keep smiling and stayed calm until the breaking point near the end.

Sincebb1
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08-22-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sincebb1 a private message Print Post    
Huk and Mess I agree.

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
I think things may have been really different if Mike hadstill been in the house. I do not believe he would have tolerated this. I have this great picture in my head of Mike curled up on the ground trying to get Dick to laugh and DIck standing very still and erect fuming, all the while wearing that ridiculous hat and cup standing on a stump.The mental picture cracks me up. Big bad DIck . Mike was the only worthwhile person who demonstrated by his actions that money was not worth self respect( and I don't mean acting like a baby, i mean standing up for kail). It's too bad noone else learned from that lesson. All they learned was be scared of Dick.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
I agree Missyb. this might have been a whole different game if Mike hadn't been voted out.

Ark
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07-10-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ark a private message Print Post    
In real life I would step in but in this game I wouldn't. Dick's outbursts benefit everyone that is in the game. He keeps a big target on his back at all times. Everyone in there should be thinking about taking him to the final two with them.

Seeing people on here say that they would demand that BB do something or they would leave clarifies for me why BB recruits people and bypasses so many applications from "regular people". They are looking for people that are willing to play the game under uncomfortable conditions without quitting. Maybe they see something in most of the "regular people" applicants that lets them know that these people just won't do well in their artificial society. How much fun would it be to watch if two or three people walk because they didn't like the way that someone was acting and BB wouldn't stop them from acting that way?

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
Dammit Ark, quit making sense. Gotta give you props for that post (but I had to force myself to type this by calling myself horrible names).

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i would sit, watch and have a snickers and not give him any reason to go after me.

in the diary room i would give them hell.

Doublethink
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08-23-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Doublethink a private message Print Post    
Ark, on the other hand what "regular people" would apply and put themselves in a situation where they can be exploited by AG production for the sake of AG's view of entertainment. I would say they are forced to recruit, because few "regular people" would apply to be put in that type situation for three months.

Mssas
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08-04-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
I would have gotten all the other houseguest together and had a meeting. I would of requested a meeting with BB and told them if they didn't put a stop to Dick's behaviour then we were all walking off the show. Period...End of STORY!

ETA: AT THE VERY FIRST OUTBURST HE HAD!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The problem with that Mssas is that none of the other HGs would have been particularly interested in rocking the boat and threatening to leave. You would probably be ostracized and Jen might have just been happy that you took the pressure off of her.

Sammy
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08-21-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammy a private message Print Post    
also think by Dick being "dickish" the houseguests are his audience....every time he goes off the cameras pan to the others...they all sit back and watch...no one stands up for anyone....AT ALL
If it were me in Jens spot I think I would have found an opprotunity to just come out with all the talk that everyone has had about her as well as the eric comment about dani and dick...see where the chips fall after that one!
I would also tend to agree with the soft spot thing ---- Dani get her any way possilbe that seems to trigger him more....I still can't fathom how he is still in there and how he almost is rewarded for behavior that isn't befitting of any grown up adult. I just don't get why no one defends anyone.
Takes you back to those survey things they used to do about people seeing others in danger yet do nothing, not even call police...that man should be stopped before soemthing happens...I certainly hope when he is removed they banish him to a remote island for some serious pscy treatemnt--some form of interention.....

Headache
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05-25-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Headache a private message Print Post    
Didnt he treat Kail the same way? He made her life he** because of all his verbal bullying. Enough so that she requested a leave!

I can't help but wonder : If he Reeealy loves his daughter that much, wouldn't he want to treat women a little bit better especially in her presence? I mean really, this is her idea of how to be treated by men. I understand she hasn't been around him much in her life but this is his chance to "win her over" and treating anyone especially women that way blows my mind.

And I agree, the houseguest are just as much to blame . They are being quite selfish because we can only assume they are not protecting anyone else because of his bullying ways and their fear of it turning on them.

I actually get nervous watching him on TV (don't have live feeds) because of the way he behaves. This man does live up to his name.

Scooty
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07-21-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooty a private message Print Post    
Where I take exception is when Dick will say nobody likes you or everybody thinks your ****. Why do people let him speak for everyonelse?

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Maybe next year they will cast a cop on the show. Give him or her an unlimited supply of handcuffs and let the fun begin.

Tvwatcher
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04-17-2004

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvwatcher a private message Print Post    
Give him or her an unlimited supply of handcuffs and let the fun begin.



Mssas
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08-04-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
Headache, he treated them all like that with exception to Jess. He tried to treat Zach like that a couple of days ago but Zach called him out and he backed down and apologized twice to him. Zach shrugged it off because he knew if Dick persisted...well you and I both know Dick would of lost.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I didn't feel Dick tried to bully Zach at all. Zach said two things that even had my undies in a rumple. He said the Only reason Dick stayed last week because of him. (All Zach did was agree to vote the way HoH told him, he did no campaigning for Dick), and Zach also said one other thing that sounded ridiculous and of course it just left my mind from the time I started typing to now...LOL...shoot, it will hit me after I hit the post button.