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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 7: Fair TV Coverage of the Dick/Jen Fight or Not?: Archive through August 24, 2007 users admin

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Mrsmel
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07-04-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mrsmel a private message Print Post    
I am not taking up for Dick and his previous behavior BUT I think Jen had a plan that day and nothing was going to stop her. She calmy cooked turkey burgers before she ever touched his cigarettes. She knew it would cause it very big blow up. She tried to provoke him into physical violence. She did all that and she did it because she was mad at Danielle for backdooring her. I was very suprised that Dick did not do more than he did. When BB was calling Jen to the DR to try and stop what she was doing she ignored them. When BB told Dick hiding was Ok but destroying was not, he hid, he did not destroy. The TV show actually was a litte kinder to Jen than it should have been. I am not saying Dick was right in his treatment of her over the weeks. I personally would not have been able to take it, but until the day Dani backdoored her she put up with it. She was not in the DR crying every day for him to leave her alone. She wasn't acting like she was in fear of him. She thought she was going to get a penalty nom for next week and she might get to stay another week. She was trying to get Dick kicked out for physical violence. I was very very suprised that he kept his cool when she was trying to get his cigarette and if Jameka had not stepped in it may have escalated further because she would not stop.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Jen is gone....I rest my case.lol

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
there is no 'fair' in bb.

if you go with where they obtained the original concept of the show, 1984, bb wasn't fair. bb could tell you who to hate, who you were at war with, what you could and could not say. bb could change the next day to the opposite of what it is today. doublespeak and doublethink.

bb doesn't just mess with the hamsters, they mess with us too. we KNOW the truth, but when they show it on TV, it's what they want us to believe. that's what is so fun about the show.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I would not be so easy to dismiss the incident because jen didnt get burnt- Burning is a sensation of heat, not neccessarily a oozing black wound.

Often a blister on the skin will come up later, not immediately. that bathroom scene means nothing.

more importantly, jen cooked on OTHER days routinely even when on slop.

For us to say it was premeditated is for us to pretend we can read her mind.

I was glad that they let Jen do the Button Pushing for the HOH comp. The Looks on the faces of the HG was well worth it.

Also, psychologically speaking, there is a bit of taking back of Power for Jen. These people were horrendous to her since day one. Female jealousy, Male impotence (didnt have a chance with her) caused problems.

we can all pretend it was Jen's personality but truthfully she was a very quiet HG in the beginning and rarely chatted.

It was a basically a witchhunt since day one of feeds

Mammyyokum
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06-05-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mammyyokum a private message Print Post    
Dick was sitting down, smoking a cigarette. Jen got up and walked over,stood in front of him and started witching him out. It was after whe started her line of bull**** that he blew the smoke in her direction.
As far as I'm concerned, she asked for it!

Izzysmydog
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08-13-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Izzysmydog a private message Print Post    
What I don't understand about Jen is, if you don't like smoke or smoking, why be around someone who smokes.. I am allergic to smoke and if someone lights up, I'll just move away, if I can. She was outside and many times she would make sure she sat on the couches where she knew Dick was smoking. If you hate it so much, why not sit on a lounger, in the hammock or bring a chair from inside out to an area where there wasn't any smoke... Why wait until right before you are leaving to decide to make your statement. Seems to me it was for effect. She wanted to make sure people would be talking about her after she left.. .Guess we are playing into her plan.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
For us to say it was premeditated is for us to pretend we can read her mind.

Sun...Jen said herself that she was cooking because SHE was hungry... not the group.

That's not reading her mind...that's just listening to her words.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Jen was sitting at one end on a chair. Dick came out, came over to her and blew the smoke. It's a big area. It is obvious that Dick did it deliberately.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
A friend of mine at work who is a big non smoker, said she would have been mad that Dick did that, but hey, she was in a smoking area, she just would have moved. She watches only the show and thought Jen ate because she was just a whiny you know and was mad she was getting booted, and wondered why she was mad at BB. When I explained the cigarettes were replaced, then she understood, but was really surprised that part wasn't shown.

Mrsmel
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07-04-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mrsmel a private message Print Post    
Dick did do it deliberately. Just as she destroyed his cigarettes deliberately.

Geri
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07-08-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Geri a private message Print Post    
Destroying cigarettes, an easily replaced commodity isn't as nasty as hiding or messing up clothes. There isn't really anything personal about them. As long as you give me my brand, I don't care where they came from.

Why didn't BB clarify to Jen that she could hide ED's cigarettes rather than destroy them anyway.

Maybe noone on slop who was also about to be voted out ever really thought they were going so that is why they followed the rules. I think Jen knew for sure she was going, or really had had enough and when BB didn't back her up in any way, she decided to eat.

I don't think we really know what we would do under the circumstances that Jen found herself in. I would have been rolled up and hiding in a corner if I had been her.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Jen was not hurt or damaged by Dick's deliberate actions...

...his ciggies didn't fare quite as well....

Mssas
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08-04-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
Zach even said he instigated it.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
Just because Zach said it does not make it true.

Chupey
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07-03-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chupey a private message Print Post    
Zach is just thinking ahead to the jury votes.

Dick did blow smoke at Jen when he came out. However, he did that because he had just had his ciggies replaced by BB and his smoke blowing was sort of a "nanner nanner" towards Jen. It's not like one puff of smoke is going to give her instant lung cancer. And as for her trying to grab his cigarette out of his hand.. that's just a very easy way to get burned.

Makes for great television though. heh

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Know what I still can't get in the gazillion pages of chat on all this? If Jen didn't want to smell Dick's smoke, and if she felt at risk, or didn't want to be yelled at, why did she remain in the situation? I don't care who was where first. If I am somewhere and I don't want to be a part of how a situation is going down, I leave. Last I saw Jen could walk...she choose not to walk away, and in my eyes she appeared more the physical aggressor than vice versa but to me that's totally immaterial in the big pic.

By choosing to remain in the smoking area, and join in a fight, she is an equal participant at the very least. The fact that she was eating a turkey burger, apple and forget what else all at the same time to me says she already had started a course of direction and wasn't about to stop it. ITA with MrsMel that this was a plan that she set in motion. I think she just wanted to do as much damage to Dick in the game as possible. And if she walked away, she couldn't accomplish that.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
cottage cheese lurk, it was cottage cheese.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Yuck yep TY Zmom...that was it. Boy she made a lot of bad choices that night IMHO lol. If she was gonna stuff her face, wasn't there any chocolate ice cream or something worth getting a penalty vote for?? Not blech cottage cheese and a turkey burger (no roll--guess she wanted to go lo carb lolol).

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
lurk- there comes a point when you are just done with a volatile situation and you refuse to walk away from it. She lasted way too long with all his kindergarten behavior.

At that point it's about "I am eating and I am not going to run away from you every time you feel like acting this way"

If someone was following you around all the time screaming things at you, really, would you go and hide each time?

He is lucky that was not me in that house.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
How is hiding clothes the same as destroying someone else's property? I don't care what that property is... you're still destroying it deliberately so that it can't be used again and that's nastier to me. I'm not a smoker so cigarettes are not personal to me but I bet any smoker (especially one who clearly brought cartons and cartons of them) would think their cigarettes are just as personal as any clothes item.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Oh one more thing...to me another sign of it being premeditated was that before she did ONE thing she bagged up all her possessions and hid them. If everything else just happened to occur, why would she do that? And as I recall she said she thought it out, esp about destroying Dick's cigarette's. And that was why she hid her stuff. The fact she was cooking and eating BEFORE the fight w/Dick shows she was not honoring the terms of that POV she won. And coming directly on the heels of her bleaching/breaking Dick's cigarette's and I can't fathom at least most of this wasn't planned.

What I couldn't figure out is WHY? But I think I finally understand her actions. She made it clear she wasn't there for the $$$ and proved this by giving up half of potential winning, and at this point I think she safely assumed she had no real shot at lasting much longer in the house. So it seems like this was all just a ploy to make a big splash in the BB house, get lots of press and get folks talking about her. Seems to be working eh????

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
Everyone is going to see what they want to see. I personally like the view from where I am sitting.

You cannot take one act and analyze it without taking into consideration what happened before, days and weeks before it all came to this.

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Fieryfurnace
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07-05-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fieryfurnace a private message Print Post    
He and Dani are lucky it wasn't me in the house. Every time Dick did anything to me I'd pour a glass of liquid on Dani's head. That would be the only thing that would stop him I believe.

Danzdol
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04-21-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Danzdol a private message Print Post    
Fiery, where have you been all my life? you and I would have been quite a pair in that house if that's how you feel.

Fieryfurnace
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07-05-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 2:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fieryfurnace a private message Print Post    
Yeah, Lurk, don't you feel like a chump for falling for it and continuing to talk about it?