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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 7: Fair TV Coverage of the Dick/Jen Fight or Not?: Archive through August 24, 2007 users admin

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Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
BB did not show the parts where the other HGs were TRASHING her ALL DAY LONG. It was Dick x5 (Dick plus Eric, Jessica, Jameka, Zach). I guarantee you she heard some of that. She was hurt that everyone in the house went down to Dick's level.

ALSO...BB DID yell at Jen mid destroying the cigarettes. I remember her getting mad that they stopped her before she could destroy all of the ones she found.

BB threw salt into the wound by IMMEDIATELY replacing the cigarettes (how lame). They then allowed Dick to take all of Jen's things and keep them until the next day (when she finally found her stuff).

BB has been protecting Dick, Daniele, and Eric in their editing. What a sham! It doesn't make it MORE entertaining to edit them in a favorable light.

I've been pretty disillusioned this year.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
LOL Llb I did like Jen.
I meant the HGs "still" in the BB house are unlikeable. At least to me.
I agree the HGs were cruel and there was no one to really cheer for this year. Pityful.
I had my feeds turned off a lot this year because I didn't really have anyone that I LOVED. Different than other years.

<self-edited to add another sentence.>

Shopstomuch
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07-09-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shopstomuch a private message Print Post    
BB did yell at Jen several times to stop during her Mexican Hat dance destroying them. She refused and when they got insistant is when she put them in and poured bleach on them. Everyone who says Dick is physically violent etc, if EVER there was a time he would have hit her, this was it. He did not at all. Also, I thought this actually was a very very fair representation of what happened. Obviously due to time you cannot show it all, but I even think in the beginning they portrayed Jen in a sympathetic light. They even showed her DR scenes explaining her actions... they did not show the DR scenes where Dick discussed the event if you notice.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
They even showed her DR scenes explaining her actions... they did not show the DR scenes where Dick discussed the event if you notice.

I did notice that, and was jumping up and down (well, I actually still sat on my butt) that they were finally stopping with the Dick Donato show.

Dick is admittedly proud of his "in your face" "tell it like it is" reputation. He obviously IS the same outside the house as inside. Jen is admittedly proud of the life she has outside of the house. It's about time that they showed the viewers without internet feeds, how he talked to her. Not to forget, the "oh I PROMISE you, you'll get burned" statement right before he stabs away at her with the cigarette. I don't give a rat's a*s whether she was slapping the thing out of his hands and there was contact or not. She should have knocked his 44 year old nads up into his throat. Then I actually WOULD have stood up and cheered.

Shopstomuch
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07-09-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shopstomuch a private message Print Post    
Huk, you and I really do not agree on any issue. Two wrongs do not make a right... it was as situation bound to escalate no matter how it played out. However, she did draw first blood in this one by her pre-mediated actions and deliberate reading of the rule book, packing the clothes, destroying smokes, cooking all the while this is going on w/ EVERY intention she was going to eat. So, even her excuse that it was a retaliation for them giving his cigs back is a lie as she was cooking during the entire thing. Also, if someone dove at me over a couch slapping at me and I said "do not touch me" attempted to push them back w/ my foot and they kept on, then you are darn right I would let them get burned. Maybe they would actually be smart enough to stop. However, everyone says... well, he would do this and that to her... if he was ever going to hit her, that would have been the time and he did not. I also don't buy the two wrongs make a right theory. Jen acted like a spoiled child because she did not like being backdoored.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
You can see it here, the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth:

http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=355175

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
...Deliberate reading of the rule book, packing the clothes, destroying smokes, cooking all the while this is going on w/EVERY intention she was going to eat...

All of the above is true. I doubt a single poster who supported Jen in this fiasco would take issue with that statement.

Kalekona
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06-12-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kalekona a private message Print Post    
The called her twice to the Dr and she told them to wait.
And she was cooking the turkey burgers FIRST so the excuse that she ate because they made her mad giving his cigarettes back is crap.

If someone is grabbing at my cigarette and in my personnel space waving their hands around my lit cigarette i think i would turn around to ward them off as well other wise i risk getting burned myself.

Jen attacked him/his cigarette she was the aggressor and that is the bottom line

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
jen always cooked whether she was on slop or not.

the cooking is nothing premeditated


I find it amusing that people say JEN could have moved away. My question is Why did dick lean over and blow smoke in her face and then sit in a place on the couch that he NEVER NEVER NEVER sits in.

Dicks place that he always sits is way at the other end.

Dick was instigating

Not sure why no one had noticed him not sitting in his usual spot

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    


okay I've changed my mind. jen was being passive aggressive. SHE was sitting IN the seat right beside his spot.

Instead of asking her to move he went in for the harrassment.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:37 pm
There was never a truce with dick- he would stab her in the back and talk garbage about Jen the whole time. I think it's funny that people like dick because they say they can see where he is coming from- that he tells you to your face. LOL..He spews his anger in your face and stabs you repeatedly in your back when you are not around...and it never ends..he just goes on and on and on...
I also don't think it's fair to say that Jen wanted dick evicted from the house for physical assault. I am sure that Jen would have loved to see him evicted, but to say that she bleached his cigarettes because she wanted him to physically assault her is wrong.


Ruby, that's the thing about people. They can watch the same thing and see it in an entirely different light. I saw Dick and Jen make an effort to coexist peacefully. Dick stopped his rants after the truce. True that both of them still trash talked the other behind their backs, but it was mild compared to the pre-truce behavior.

And I'll stand by my belief that Jen wanted to get Dick evicted. She studied the rulebook for hours after she was nominated. She planned it all. She didn't "finally snap". Her behavior on this night was a complete contradiction to the person she has portrayed herself to be for seven weeks.

I believe she had intent to get Dick evicted because he had come so close in the past without her provocation. If Dick had been removed, it's possible she wouldn't have been evicted. It was her last best chance to stay in the house.

Wrong or right is not for me to judge. It's definitely a Will/Boogie move, but she didn't have the panache to carry it off well.

I have said before that I enjoyed Jen in the game, but when she blatantly broke the rules and flaunted her food to Jameka and Big Brother, it was time for her to go. There is no recovering from that.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
These are the only things I know for certain merely b/c I watched it unfold. Jen cooked turkey burgers and offered them to Jess and Eric - they declined. (It wasn't the first time she cooked while on slop.) Jen did not eat them until after the DR replaced Dick's cigarettes.

Do any of us really know if Jen ate b/c she was upset or if she planned to anyway? The only person who knows the answer to that is Jen. She was binging pretty heavily, so I personally assume she was acting out of emotions.

The show and the videos speak for themselves re: the cigarette incident. Jen cannot stand cigarette smoke and Dick uses it to get his way, i.e. Jen repellant. Dick instigated it by blowing smoke in her face, she freaked out, tried to take the cigarette away from him, and he tried to burn her in the process. Neither one of them were innocent. That was the first emotional reaction I saw from Jen the entire game, which still amazes me. She is neither perfect nor a hero in my eyes. She is just another person makes mistakes just like the rest of us.

What I didn't understand about the houseguests is how everything Jen's fault? She did this, she did that, so she must ask to be treated like poo. No one deserves to be treated as poorly as she was by ANY of the houseguests there, no matter how socially awkward she might be.

BB is not a popularity contest, it's a game and she was playing it. Even the HGs, Dick included, admitted that she was a competitor. Jen did NOT give up until she had no choice. Do I like the way she chose to do it? No, but then I didn't have to go through what she did either. If it were me in her situation, I would have either been kicked out or DORed if I were Jen. I wouldn't tolerate that kind of mistreatment and, IMO, she shouldn't have had to. That's the bottom line for me.

Perhaps Jen decided to take Dick's approach and make sure she was the one evicted? Maybe she just had enough and wanted out? Again, the only person who knows that is Jen. Ironically, she is gone and many people, including the houseguests, are still talking about her. Good or bad, she made an impression and will not easily be forgotten.

JMO.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 2:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Sorry, Bic, I don't see how Jen destroying Dick's cigarettes, eating food against the rules, and trying to physically take a lit cigarette from him was somehow supposed to get Dick evicted. I agree that the cigarettes was pre-planned, but I sincerely believe Jen saw a loop hole in the rules and was trying to get a penalty nomination. I don't really know if she wanted to get out of her contract or if she wanted to stay in the house. Either way, it was just really odd to me that Jen came out and announced it to everyone. She was definitely out of character that night. Whatever her plan was, it didn't work and she is stuck in sequester with Dustin. LOL.

ETA: Dick, Zach, and Eric were already to keep her another week after her announcement.

Cheekychops
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08-12-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 2:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cheekychops a private message Print Post    
I'd must rather be in sequester with Dustin than another minute with Dick and the others.

Cheekychops
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08-12-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 2:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cheekychops a private message Print Post    
must/much. Ooopsie!

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 2:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
lol, Cheeky...me too.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 3:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
I agree with some of you posters. Jen was the agressive person in this situation. She knew what she was doing and she is the one who made the choice to get in his space to take his cig away. Dick at that point had every right to defend his space. He warned her numerous times that if she tried to take his cig away, she would be burned. She should have walked away. If Dick would have done that to her, I would have been all over him as well.

I guess I am amazed because if the roles were reversed and Dick was trying to take something from her hand the people who don't like Dick would be arguing that he was the aggressor and deserved to be burned.

Jen said she was going to destroy someone's property before going into the house. She should never have been cast - so I blame BB for that.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 3:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
I haven't read this whole thread but most of it. My personal opinion is that I really don't know the situation between Jen and Dick because, even watching live feeds, Showtime, and reading the boards is not the same as being in the same room with people. I don't support either side as I think that both of their behavior was inappropriate. I think it was wrong, immature, unkind and many other things for Dick to blow smoke in Jen's face. On the other hand, I thought it was not very smart on Jen's part to keep slapping at Dick's cigarette after the first time she was "burned." I've watched that clip several times and, in my opinion, Dick didn't intentionally burn her the first time. He was trying to pull his cigarette away (having smoked for 20+ years I had to actively try to keep from burning people in many situations when they would get too close, etc. -- not that I ever experienced a situation like the one they had). After the first time, when she kept coming at him, he intentionally tried to burn her to get her to stop. I think she just lost it then. Maybe because she had enough, who knows why? That was the first time, though, that I saw her be that upset.

I don't know who was right or wrong, and who should have been reprimanded and who shouldn't. Both of them have been wrong in the way they have acted in the house. In a sense I am glad Jen is gone because, as much as others think this has been a Dick and Daniele show, I think it has been a Dick and Jen show, but in a much more twisted sense than even the daddy/daughter situation. Hopefully Jen will be happier outside the house and with Dustin. I don't know. I would probably have to slap Dustin silly after about an hour, but maybe not. Dick will remain Dick, but I think the rest of the HGs can deal with it better than Jen could, in the long run.

My final thought is this. I was really intrigued but Jen last night on the live show. I think that she is a highly intelligent woman, but there almost seems to be a disconnect there with the emotional side, and an awkwardness to her. I think she may cover up this part of herself, or attempt to mask it, but to this day, I still cannot fully get ahold of this woman. There just seems to be something off about her. I have an uncle who is highly intelligent and fascinating, but he has a real problem relating to other people. He just doesn't have the people skills that most others seem to possess, and he regularly turns people off almost immediately after they meet him. It is actually quite sad. I saw alot of that in Jen.

She is a lovely young lady and I only wish her the best. It should be really interesting to see how this whole thing plays out in the end with her being in sequester and having the ability to determine the outcome of the game.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 3:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Oh. On another note. The other thing that I was thinking last night was that, by Jen's own words (if people were paying attention in tv land -- those who only watch the broadcast shows) she was not one of the people who apply and kill themselves to get on the show, but she was specifically sought out and cast. She may have tried to do her best to stay in the house, but she didn't really have the passion of someone who loves BB.

I don't hold this against Jen. If I was sought out to be in a show of this type I don't know what I would do, although being a huge fan of this reality show, I would have probably accepted. That being said, this is nothing against Jen, but I am really, really tired of BB seeking out people who fit whatever their criteria happens to be that they think will make for a good show (nice looking, charismatic, etc.). I so long for a season where they just have regular people who have applied to be on the show as in the first couple of seasons. That being said, I'm sure it's not to be, and I'm also sure I will keep watching. I am just a sad little person.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 3:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
Klaw absolutely excellent post...ITA

NOW the real fun will begin. Who will be ED's next Jen?

Doesn't matter to me who he decides to attack next, and he WILL. Each and every one of them left in the house will deserve each drop of venom he spews their way and I will totally enjoy it (or at least try to enjoy it as they all sat back for weeks and allowed the venom spewing at Jen).

They will find that getting rid of Jen was a big mistake because someone has to take Dick's wrath...I am thinking the next Jen will be Zach at this point or Amber maybe.

Except for D and D, they will all begin to think ED is way out of line and that it is unfair that BB allows it to happen. I will be thinking......

TOO BAD, SO SAD! insert EVIL laugh here

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 3:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
the cooking is nothing premeditated

The other HG's asked Jen why she was cooking... her response was "'cause I'm hungry, that's why"

How is that NOT premeditation?

By the way, I read "her pre-mediated actions" as "pre-medicated" LOL!!!

OH no...will people think I'm trying to start a rumor that Jen does drugs???

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
I think they showed it just as it was. Clearily Jen planned it all out and deserves what she got.

Looks like BB bribed her with a little TV time last night to go to sequester.

Onlymytulips
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07-17-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlymytulips a private message Print Post    
Well, I was happy to see the truth about her getting burnt. They gave me a better view of him jabbing her with the cigarette than I had before.
I am betting since Jameka helped Jen out thru the burnt incident and other times, she will be the next target. I wonder what he will do to her, the hiding clothes is getting old. And now he has crossed the lines of physical touching.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
"And now he has crossed the lines of physical touching."

Not technically Only...there was tea btw them in the tea dumping incident and a cigarette btw them in the burning incident...so you see, nothing BB can do!

Dick is totally innocent and is just playing this game with his so likeable in your face style.

The endearing family reunion we are witnessing is the most wonderfully emotional thing I have ever witnessed and I am so thankful for this opportunity that CBS has given us. This summer has been all about learning to work out differences with others. And the grace and style it has been done with is a lesson to us all.

Now I will pray for us all:

Dear Lord, please help each and everyone of us emmulate the grace and style of Dick and Danelle that we may all learn to live our lives with the love and humanity that they have exibited.

Amen

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
the thing about the bur. Jen went in the bathroom with Jameka and she washed her hands and showed her hand to Jameka and said I wasn't burnt it was just the black ash and it washed off she was fine!