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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 7: Fair TV Coverage of the Dick/Jen Fight or Not?: Archive through August 23, 2007 users admin

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Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
I think it was completely fair...it showed both of them fairly...Jen planned to do something that was obiviously by hiding all her clothes...I think BB did a great job showing the fight

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
Not one time has Big Brother said either on the show or the website that it was ok for Jen to destroy cigarettes. She has spouted that repeatedly since she stepped in the door of the house, and there is absolutely no proof. Period.

Jen premeditated the entire production. As the live feeds clearly showed, she hid her belongings and cooked turkey burgers, all the while smirking repeatedly in the cameras in the hours leading up to Cigarettegate.

Jen wanted with ALL her being to get Dick evicted from the house for physical contact. She orchestrated it all in the hopes of provoking him.

He blew smoke. It was his Jen repellent. If she had just destroyed 4 cartons of my cigarettes, she wouldn't have had to try so hard for physical contact from me. He showed admirable restraint in my opinion. Jen was in his face, smacking at his hands trying to get the cigarette. She's lucky she didn't suffer more burns.

Dick was not "blocking her way to escape". She was certainly free to move back from where she came.

I'm not trying to take sides, or God forbid be a Dick supporter, but I just re-watched it all and believe it was portrayed fairly.

They were both wrong. Jen is not a saint. Dick has a mean streak. Dick agreed to a truce with Jen, and she broke it. All bets were off when she destroyed his property.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
It was a better angle than any I'd seen around the internet, and was a start to finish video. I had not seen him sort of "stabbing" with the cigarette in the Youtubes, etc., and at the very end, he raised his hand near her head.

I think the public will not like this view of Dick, and I HOPE they stop thinking of him as father of the year material.

Kittyab
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07-16-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
Bicbicz911, I agree. Jen was trying to get him removed from the house.

That whole thing about BB breaking thier rules first was a crock.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
No matter how you look at it, Dick was the jerk.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Question to all who believe the Jen said she was Told she could destroy cigs! IN the rules it says you can not Destroy peoples property so why would BB make an exception ahead of time and tell her she could? And Notice she didn't tell Julie she was told that!

Hotfudge
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07-03-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hotfudge a private message Print Post    
If BB didn't allow Backdooring, then Mike and Nick and Kail wouldn't have left as a replacement nominee and Jen would have been gone week 3.

Flamingo
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08-19-2003

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Flamingo a private message Print Post    
Jen had absolutely NO right to grab the cigarette from Dick's hand. Anyone who tries to grab a cigarette from someone's hand can only expect to get burnt. Jen wanted a confrontation, she wanted to make a spectacle of herself, and not only was the coverage fair, it was more generous to her than she deserved.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Jen wanted with ALL her being to get Dick evicted from the house for physical contact. She orchestrated it all in the hopes of provoking him.

I respectfully disagree. I believe Jen was deliberately trying to get a penalty nom herself. Jen eating while on slop wouldn't affect Dick's game in any way. JMO.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I don't for a minute believe Jen was told it was okay to destroy the cigarettes. I also don't believe Nick tried to kiss her, and I don't believe she had never seen the show before (which she stated repeatedly that night). When Julie told her that she would be participating in the HOH competition, she said she hoped it would be that one! That, plus other things she's said throughout the season, prove that she has seen the shows and was lying every time she said she hadn't. I'm so glad she's gone!

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Seattle, I haven't seen the rule book myself, but I heard Jen and Kail saying that intimidation is also against the rules. I would hope threats of violence or anything else unlawful outside the house is too. BB just needs to be more strict in enforcing the rules and stop it before it goes too far, IMO. I personally believe BB/CBS is the true culprit in this situation.

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
There was never a truce with dick- he would stab her in the back and talk garbage about Jen the whole time. I think it's funny that people like dick because they say they can see where he is coming from- that he tells you to your face. LOL..He spews his anger in your face and stabs you repeatedly in your back when you are not around...and it never ends..he just goes on and on and on...
I also don't think it's fair to say that Jen wanted dick evicted from the house for physical assault. I am sure that Jen would have loved to see him evicted, but to say that she bleached his cigarettes because she wanted him to physically assault her is wrong.

I did like that cbs showed nobody helping jen except for Jameka. That said so much about the males in the house. I guess they will feel the brunt of that when they get out of the house- there is no excuse that they can give to justify that.
I also would have liked it if cbs would include every nasty, derogatory, seething, vile remark that he has made to Jen. But alas..that could not be.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
We will never know whether BB told her it was okay to destroy cigarettes or not. They didn't exactly set the best example with the mustard.

We didn't see the whole first week of the show, a lot of things could have happened during that time we are not aware of, including Nick trying to kiss her. Just sayin'.

I guess it's easier to assume she was lying. JMO.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
I think it's funny that people like dick because they say they can see where he is coming from- that he tells you to your face.

That never ceases to amaze me. Jen in so many words told Dick she did not want him to touch her during a comp when she said "do not be the scraper." Isn't that the same concept? She could have been as blunt with Dick as she was in the DR...that would have been even worse, IMO.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
somethng that I've not seen anyone comment on is Why BB did not try to stop Jen if it was against BB rules.

BB routinely will say STOP THAT or call someone to the DR if they are doing something they arent supposed to.

Yet BB cams happily followed jen around collecting cartons, getting bleach, taking the time to rip up each package without ONE "STOP IT" and call to the DR?????

more importantly, you know how the Storage room is locked with a little camera above which works like an Apt. When you want in, they see you and let the door open.

BB let jen right in with all those smokes and they knew what she was going to do because she told them.

Then later they changed their minds and used it as a reason to ream her out in the DR.

NO wonder she started eating.

As for the TV show, No they did not show a fair coverage of what led to the fight.

Almost every SLOP Hg has been caught eating NONallowed items. Jen has cooked every day regardless of being on slop. So this day she decided to eat.

If Jen deserved a penalty vote for eating WHy not those others? dani got caught with a cookie the first time she was on it.

Eating is eating. Not the volume and intent.

Llb
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08-22-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llb a private message Print Post    
Sun, ITA but I don't think BB was going to show all of that NOW. I agree that BB was unfair but I don't think coverage was unfair. I was left feeling like Jen had been victimized and been treated poorly and I was glad that that impression was left with the audience.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
I was really happy to see that BB and Julie Chen, actually didn't make Jen out to be the devil woman that Dick has brainwashed all the HGs into thinking.

There is not one person inside that house right now who exceeds the accomplishments that I've read that Jen has had. Straight A student, holds a degree, works for someone well known, and really, we all know Vanna White would not hire someone to take care of her children without doing reference checks, etc.

I think at the end of the "day", these people will realize they went way way overboard and snowballed their opinions of her, unjustly. (Well one exception would be Dick, because Dick doesn't have it in him to accept his vile actions and words).

Llb
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08-22-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llb a private message Print Post    
Loppes, I'd love to see a follow up afterwards to hear what they all think after the fact and after hearing the viewing public's thoughts and their own thoughts after watching themselves on t.v. Now THAT would be interesting.

Tera
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08-10-2000

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tera a private message Print Post    
Not to be picky but they didn't let her in the SR. They were having problems with the handle or lock or something and had a red can wedged in the door opening.

Interesting to think what would have happened if the door would have been locked and he caught her with her arms full of his cigs.

Llb
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08-22-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llb a private message Print Post    
I agree Sun, another strike against BB for their bias in this game.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
I'd love to see a follow up afterwards to hear what they all think after the fact and after hearing the viewing public's thoughts and their own thoughts after watching themselves on t.v.

They will still hate Jen, maybe even more so.
I doubt any of the people they talk with after the show will say anything to them that would change their mind as to the way they treated Jen. Most of the viewers and most of the posters on message boards all over the net dislike Jen.

It's so strange this year because I don't like anyone left in the house.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I haven't seen it. No reason to watch the Donato Family Hour any more this year. But did any of you really expect BB was going to show the real Dick? C'mon, none of us are that naive any more, are we?

Llb
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08-22-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llb a private message Print Post    
Willsfan,

I feel the same way as you. I didn't like Jen either. I just don't think there's any reason to behave so cruelly to another human being.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Say what you will about BigBrother influencing, but No One can put the blame on BB or the producers, for what each and every houseguest in that house right now, say out of their mouths. All the vile things coming out of every one of them, are their own words and no one elses, we all hear them clearly over and over, it's not BB, its this particular group of people who call themselves human beings.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
They were having problems with the handle or lock or something and had a red can wedged in the door opening

so It comes down to BIgBrother choosing to ALLOW them to wedging the door open.


and ALLOWING jen to destroy the cigs No one thought to hit the "STOP IT" button? it took more than a few seconds to do. Lots of time for BB to stop it

I'm just saying it was all set up and orchestrated by BB for good tv. Jen was made to look like an idiot IMHO!