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Llb
Member
08-22-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:51 pm
I feel the same way, juju. I have been aghast that they allow Dick to abuse her like that. It's almost like a bad human experiment, where they lock people in a house then subject them to abuse to see when they'll break. I can imagine it psychologically damaging someone. I am shocked they've allowed it for "entertainment" purposes, I've found it sadistic and cruel. Beyond comprehension and not "entertaining" in the least. It's like they want to experiment on vulnerable people for ratings (i.e., Amber) or see what it takes to break people (i.e., Jen). It's really horrible. Are they hoping for the "slow down to view the car accident" effect from people? That's really twisted for ratings and profit motives.
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Llb
Member
08-22-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:57 pm
I agree that the t.v. show is NOTHING like what is REALLY going on in the house. I had no idea until I watched the feeds how foul-mouthed virtually everyone in the house was. I was shocked at what was REALLY going on! The t.v. show is SO tame in comparison... it's like an altered reality. I had no idea!}
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Bluerebel
Member
06-28-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:14 pm
Does anyone wonder why America's Player hasn't been told to get rid of Dick?}
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Llb
Member
08-22-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:17 pm
I've wondered if the results of AP are real or contrived myself. Especially now that Eric has also been rather vocal and ruthless in his criticisms of others. I imagine "America" will want to give him tasks that make his time there more uncomfortable. I know I voted for him to give his woobie to Dick. lol
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 3:15 am
I would like to note that Jen's shirt in Tues show had no evidence of damage or stains.... The statement that BB did not restore/replace Jen's shirt (that was vandalized at the behest of BB) apparently isn't true. That is why I do not believe Dick was being treated "better" than Jen when BB replaced his ciggarettes maliciously destroyed by Jen. Jes sayin....
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 3:18 am
she washed it herself by hand. I swear I saw it on feeds
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 3:20 am
Yeah Sunshyne, but there were some saying that it was so stained that it was unwearable.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 3:27 am
maybe so. But jen had multiples of the shirts most of which were taken by BB. If one of these were returned to her it is nothing the same as the DR running out to a store to buy dick some smokes IMHO
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 3:28 am
If that's true Sunshyne, then the shirt was never "destroyed" to begin with... But someone posted earlier that they remember Jen saying she was told the shirt would be replaced by BB... The statement I was talking about, was that BB was being unfair by replacing Dick's destroyed ciggys, yet they did nothing to replace Jen's shirt which they believed was also destroyed.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 3:38 am
You are right Sun....its not the same thing. At most, Jen's shirt is a pretty sleeveless T with iron on letters....we are talking at MOST, even in LA's inflated prices...$80?. In Ohio, Dick's ciggys would cost anywhere from $30-$40 a carton and there were 10-12 cartons...$300-$400 bucks? I couldn't begin to estimate the cost there in LA.... I believe in my state, any theft/vandalism over $500 is considered a felony...
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 3:41 am
BB told her that any damage is taken out of their stipend. So Jen would have paid for the smokes out of that money. thing is, jen has been destroying smokes all along. What made this different? timing and being on the block, BB DR smelled an opportunity to inflame a situation
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 4:09 am
thing is, jen has been destroying smokes all along. What made this different? Maybe timing.... but I think its because the ongoing small destroying actions never individually amounted (in a monetary way) to sufficient damage to warrant being a crime, misdemeanor or felony. To me that makes more sense.... If I was running this show I would be concerned about possible formal complaints and arrests...and would not want to even RISK those kinds of complications...
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 4:22 am
It's obvious the show doesn't care about formal complaints because Jen could have tons of them.
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Sidhe
Member
08-09-2007
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 4:32 am
A new low? I wouldn't know, never seen any other season of Big Brother. But I do know this, this season of Big Brother was one of the most demented concepts I've ever seen unfold on national television. Seriously. It's clearly scripted but without benefit of talented writers and great casting. Viewers didn't even rate the benefit of a clever productive plotline. It wasn't so much dramatic as it was appalling, and I'm no saint myself. I watched the first several episodes thinking, there must be a point to this madness. There's a message in here somewhere because otherwise this inanity borders on lunatic sadism. I watched young women wrangle with an overtly hostile, impudent, vulgar and deeply pathetic middle-aged man. For what? Dunno. I've seen an entire house full of adults devolve into puerile, backbiting, self-pitying liars. For what? Dunno. I've seen grown men and women subject themselves to near total loss of privacy, loss of freedom and arbitrary humiliation. For what? Dunno. I don't know what this was; a new low, just low, or (as I suspect) a failed attempt at breathing life back into a dead idea. Dead things don't entertain me. Witnessing people playing with dead things doesn't entertain me either; it's just, well, appalling. I gave it a fair chance to win me over; no go. But I do feel bad for longtime fans of the show.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 4:42 am
It's obvious the show doesn't care about formal complaints because Jen could have tons of them. There isn't a HG whose ever played BB that doesn't have complaints.... ...I'm talking about criminal actions...Thinking/believing Dick acts like a criminal doesn't MAKE him one...nor does his actions become crimes just because someone doesn't like them. Jen actions could statutorily be considered a crime...depending on the laws CA...
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Vee
Member
02-23-2004
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 4:49 am
Sidhe, I'm sure that landing in the middle of this year's BB was like landing on an alien planet. I have been a fan of every season except for Season 2 (didn't watch); this year has been such a disappointment. I appreciate the condolences.
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Llb
Member
08-22-2007
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 4:59 am
This is my first year being involved with what goes on in the feeds and online. I didn't watch the first few seasons either. And even this year, I wasn't aware of most of what was going on because I didn't become aware of what was happening on the feeds until last week. Truly, the show is completely different if you just watch the television show and remain ignorant of the rest of this. Now I'm wondering about other seasons where I was blissfully unaware of anything but what was shown on the show. I'm wondering what I don't know about the people and what I missed and was misled about. But it is like two different realities. I'm not sure if I like the "inside 24/7 know" of what's happening because it's a lot darker, vulgar, malicious and cruel. Oh, and contrived and manipulated. So in one sense, my enjoyment was ruined by knowing what is REALLY going on, but in another sense, I'm glad I do because I'm not sure I can ever watch BB the same innocent and unknowing way again, no matter if I know about what's REALLY going on or not. I'm not sure I even want to be a participant in any of this because I am so disheartened with the seeming promotion of human cruelty and messing with people, all for ratings and the bucks that flow from it. And yes, it IS like having your attention turned to the car wreck on the side of the highway. But I'm not sure I like that aspect of myself or want to condone it by continuing to feed this profit machine that coordinates such hateful and antagonistic interactions among people who are stuck with no way out. And who themselves will lie, cheat and steal in order to win the "game". Just not sure this is a kind of "game" that I can support at all anymore. But at least I KNOW now, my blinders are off.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 6:45 am
...I'm talking about criminal actions...Thinking/believing Dick acts like a criminal doesn't MAKE him one...nor does his actions become crimes just because someone doesn't like them. Ummmm that's what I was talking about too. I looked it up myself on the "blowing smoke in someone's face" incident and in CA and Ohio is is illegal to blow smoke in someone's face believe it or not and I think Sanfranjoshfan (but it could have been someone else, I can't remember now) posted laws that would pertain to the tea dumping incident. Dick has also threatened Jen's life to a point. I just quickly googled the smoking thing again and came up with the following but I know I read before that CA had agreed too. "According to the American Bar Association Journal, April, 1994, second hand smoke now qualifies as assault and battery. First a Georgia Court and then an Ohio court ruled that blowing smoke in someone's face is an intentionally harmful or offensive contact that the subject would take negatively; a definition of assault and battery. "
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Llb
Member
08-22-2007
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 12:29 pm
definitely pouring tea over someone's head or blowing smoke in someone's face could be considered an assault, it depends on the intent. If it's an accident, then no, but if the person intended to do it for malicious purpose, then yes. Of course they could contract out of it so that someone wouldn't be liable, I'll bet there are a LOT of waivers in these contracts they signed.
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Nancy73153
Member
08-10-2007
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 12:49 pm
I remember when BB first began, it was called a social experiment. To lie, scheme and manipulate was NOT the basis of the program but how much a person would lie or what would he/she do to win this money. HG and fans have turned it into: it is alright to behave this way in the house and it should be expected for people to lie, scheme and manipulate their way into the winning spot. We have gotten away from the whole point of the house which was to see exactly how a person handles the stress of competing to win a large amount of money. Fans need to quit making an excuse for bad behavior. Play the game hard, win big and make friends. I know that this game is not the real world but we need to get back to the whole 'social experiment' thing and take away all their luxuries such as pool, hot tub, games, etc. Let them earn all of these things in contests and not put so emphasis on the slop. In the beginning they need to earn food, wash clothes by hand, shower outdoors with cold water, etc. Make it a real contest again with physical games and stamina games, not so much mental games. If they have to earn luxuries such as shampoo, etc, they would not have so much time to lie scheme and manipulate. Imagine a show where they must go to bed at night in order to get enough rest to play games for luxuries. If these girls had to use soap for shampoo and the guys had to earn razors to shave, the show would be more interesting. Also, show the contestants that working together for a common goal is much better than the way the game is being played now. Each year the contestants are allowed to bring more luxuries into the house, they have totally changed the perspective of the contest from what you would do to win a 1/2 million dollars to just how dirty you can be AND you will be popular for your dirty works. Penalty nominations would only work if your are worried about being evicted...how about if you trash someones belongings or go on a tangent like Dick/Jen...lets see a penalty for that kind of behavior would be a lock down in a private room like they did as a part of the contest last year. Or loss of games or pool or hot tub, geez think of what you do to your children when they misbehave, how about a time out chair. AND then if the contestant still continues to act in a way that is unsportsmanslike, then give them the penalty nomination or escort them to the door. One or two years of effective behavior modification like that would absolutely give the contestant coming into the house a real clue.
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Geri
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:07 pm
Having the feeds or BBAD compared to the CBS show is like watching a hot dog being made in the factory and buying a hotdog at the store.
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Joyfuld
Member
08-16-2005
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:18 pm
I truly am saddened that a good portion of BB fans and the public applaud Dick's behavior as good gameplay and entertaining. To me this is a reflection of the moral standards of our country. We allow and applaud this now so that the next year we will allow even more vulgarity. I call it a < Johnny Knoxville Jack Ass > mentality. We have become harder to entertain, more jaded and accepting of what 10 years ago would have disturbed all of us. I don't know. It just seems to be an ugly world.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:24 pm
The Running Man
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:29 pm
Joyfuld, I totally agree with you. I am going to contact the sponsors, hit them where it hurts. If there was enough of us do that....you would see action fast!
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:34 pm
joyfuld, you take 14 people thrown into a house who are greedy enough to do anything for money the moral standards of our country? what about those of us who watch? what does it say about us who sit here and watch? i love this show. the dirtier the better. that is what keeps me watching. i do not put what is happening in the house as a basis of what our society has become. if i saw what goes on in the house in real life i would do something about it. i would not stand by and let someone be treated the way jen has. BUT i like watching this on the feeds. i get off on it. i laugh my butt off. i think it's funny and can't wait to see what happens next. i cheer on my favorite and wait for the next outburst that will happen, and hope against hope that is more dramatic and disgusting then the last one. i want to see how far people will go. it fascinates me. if wanted happy no drama i would watch barney. so if this is low, i hope next year it's lower.
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