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Ohiomobprincess
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11-07-2003

Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 9:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ohiomobprincess a private message Print Post    
1. Do you believe that deep down, Dick is just a big, old teddy bear? No way

2. Do you think that Dustin is a better boyfriend than Joe? No

3. Would you like to see Jessica and Eric's friendship turn into something more? Absolutely not

4. Do you think that Dustin looks great in his gray t-shirt? Burn it

5. Do you think Daniele and Nick would make a cute couple? No

6. Would you say that Zach was the sexiest bunny of all? Yuck, no

7. Do you believe Jameka would win a religious debate against Dick? No

8. Would you rather wear Jen's red unitard or Dustin's gray t-shirt? red unitard

9. Would you rather have a beer with Nick or Mike? Nick

10. Do you miss Joe in the house? No

11. Do you think that life in the Big Brother house is easy? No

12. Do you think Jen’s bikinis are too revealing? Yes

13. Do you think Kail would make a good politician? No

14. Do you believe that slop is not as bad as it looks? Yes, I love oatmeal type food.

Kiersten_love
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08-03-2001

Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 5:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kiersten_love a private message Print Post    
Thank you Fanof8 :-)

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 6:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
. Do you believe that deep down, Dick is just a big, old teddy bear?
1. Yes

2. Do you think that Dustin is a better boyfriend than Joe?
2. No

3. Would you like to see Jessica and Eric's friendship turn into something more?
2. No

4. Do you think that Dustin looks great in his gray t-shirt?
2. No

5. Do you think Daniele and Nick would make a cute couple?
1. Yes

6. Would you say that Zach was the sexiest bunny of all?
2. No

7. Do you believe Jameka would win a religious debate against Dick?
2. No

8. Would you rather wear Jen's red unitard or Dustin's gray t-shirt?
2. Gray t-shirt

9. Would you rather have a beer with Nick or Mike?
1. Nick

10. Do you miss Joe in the house?
2. No

11. Do you think that life in the Big Brother house is easy?
2. No

12. Do you think Jen’s bikinis are too revealing?
1. Yes

13. Do you think Kail would make a good politician?
2. No

14. Do you believe that slop is not as bad as it looks?
2. No

Fanof8
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08-04-2007

Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fanof8 a private message Print Post    
Welcome

Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
Anyone else "sad" to not see the questions we REALLY wanted answered by America included in last night's POV Competition?

I'm betting CBS was surprised that a lot of us didn't like the coupling of Dani/Nick and Jessica/Eric. Might mess up their spin.

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
They may not have liked our opinions but then again I dont really think they care. I saw a letter on CBS last night when I went to vote for America's player. It was supposedly written by the FCC and explained that reality TV is not governed under game show rules but instead is considered entertainment with manipulated outcomes, like professional wrestling.

Well I already knew it was not like a game show but until yesterday I was naive enough to think the reality shows were allowed to take their natural course. It was clear there was interference but frankly if the outcome is pre-ordained before the show even begins I will no longer bother wasting my time voting or watching.

Reality TV, all reality TV jumped the shark for me last night.

They can take their stupid surveys and polls and stick 'em. Maybe Jen's behavoir is rubbing off on me.


Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Gidget, it has been that way on all of the reality television shows for the past few years, and it is getting worse all the time. They are now just blatantly hiring actors to play real people. Jen and Dick, in particular, are professional actors, or professional actor wannabes.

To me, the most blatant of the manipulated reality television shows nowadays is Survivor. Yet I still love it and watch it anyway. They have always had the artificial bosomed female model types and the young male bodybuilder actor types. Then they added the young macho geezer type, 42 year olds in great shape but wiser than everybody else. Lately they have added a standard character of the older male Asian shaman type. Cao Boi, Yau Man, and I think there was one before those two.

It is ALL staged anymore. We are watching some producer's version of what they think people want to think of as "reality" television.

<spins head backwards>



Gidget
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07-28-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
I don't remember when I learned Santa Claus was made up but right now I feel like Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy have all been outed at the same time.

I truly believed the outcome of these shows and the behavoir of the participants was legit. It didn't bother me that so many wannabies were on the shows. For one thing, they abound in L.A. For another, they have the time and face time on national T.V. is a dream come true for a wannabie. So that didn't really bother me.

Pretty bodies and faces went right along with the wannabie explanation. It is T.V. after all. No one really wants to look at a bunch of broken down bodies for 3 months. Okay a mix would be nice but the producers seem to have gone to the school of Spelling and heck he built an empire.

It did not seem weird to me that they were able to find a sage with non-Western views. Or former glory boys.

None of this bothered me at all. I figured there are so many fans of these shows and people applying the producers had their pick. And if they cross applied or cross picked so what.

I have gone so far as to get other people to watch my favorite shows and when they insisted the shows were rigged I staunchly defended the integrity of the "game" show. Seems I was wrong. I don't like to be wrong. LOL.

I have no interest in watching a show that is completely staged. No vested interest in cheering for actors. I had a big interest in cheering and booing for real people on their quest to riches and fame. But actors? The point is lost on me.

I am not sure what I will watch on T.V. now. About 95% of my viewing has been reality T.V. I enjoy a game. I enjoy competition. I enjoy on the edge of your seat anticipation. I do not enjoy being had.


Dbald
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08-04-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
WOW...here I go again looking stupid but...I never did see it as staged, especially "wrestling" staged...someone come to my house and rip this stupid sticker right off my forehead please.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
dbald, not only is wrestling staged they choreograph the moves just like in the movie fights. LOL Hulk Hogan was from where i lived growing up. the stories he would tell . . .

Mack
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07-23-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mack a private message Print Post    
In my mind every BB after BB1 has had some element of staging. My take on BB1 was that they lost control of the HGs and it turned into a contest between the HGs and BB with many of us siding with the HGs. They quickly figured out that wasn't working, at least not for them, and changed the format the next year. Slowly but surely over the years BB has played more and more with the natural group dynamics in the house. Heaven forbid they'd get a dozen or more people who instantly got along with no drama. No drama means boring and boring means low ratings.

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
But, in BB1, I remember a wider diversity of people. More and more each year they are all just the same houseguest in a different package...except of course for Dick and Kail. But Kail seemed like a token to me, she never really stood a chance.

Mack
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07-23-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 8:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mack a private message Print Post    
BB1 probably was the most diverse group. Without going through each and every year my impression is that the mix has become more "like" than "diverse". Again, I think that's part of BB's plan to manipulate the in-house dynamics. Technically there's nothing wrong with that, it's their show and they can do what they want with it. It's not a study or view of natural social dynamics. That would be interesting...for awhile....but would be a totally different kind of show.

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
I am not saying I don't expect manipulations. Stirring the pot to keep it lively. I don't see this as a social experiment. But I do see it as a contest and a competition. And I think most fans feel the same way. A winner predetermined at the outset is no longer a competition or a contest. It is nothing more than directed improv. And some really lousy performances at that. Has anyone ever wondered why NO one has broken out from their reality stint into the big time? Not even "B" list. Because they were way below the list to begin with. I am really annoyed to have my favorite guilty pleasure ripped away from me like this. Heck, Jerry Springer is more likely real than Big Brother.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I really don't believe the winner is predetermined. If that were the case, we wouldn't have had the Alison/Jun, Maggie/Ivette or Erika/Boogie finales.

Nancy73153
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08-10-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nancy73153 a private message Print Post    
I remember when BB first began, it was called a social experiment. To lie, scheme and manipulate was NOT the basis of the program but how much a person would lie or what would he/she do to win this money. HG and fans have turned it into: it is alright to behave this way in the house and it should be expected for people to lie, scheme and manipulate their way into the winning spot. We have gotten away from the whole point of the house which was to see exactly how a person handles the stress of competing to win a large amount of money. Fans need to quit making an excuse for bad behavior. Play the game hard, win big and make friends. I know that this game is not the real world but we need to get back to the whole 'social experiment' thing and take away all their luxuries such as pool, hot tub, games, etc. Let them earn all of these things in contests and not put so emphasis on the slop. In the beginning they need to earn food, wash clothes by hand, shower outdoors with cold water, etc. Make it a real contest again with physical games and stamina games, not so much mental games. If they have to earn luxuries such as shampoo, etc, they would not have so much time to lie scheme and manipulate. Imagine a show where they must go to bed at night in order to get enough rest to play games for luxuries. If these girls had to use soap for shampoo and the guys had to earn razors to shave, the show would be more interesting. Also, show the contestants that working together for a common goal is much better than the way the game is being played now. Each year the contestants are allowed to bring more luxuries into the house, they have totally changed the perspective of the contest from what you would do to win a 1/2 million dollars to just how dirty you can be AND you will be popular for your dirty works.

Penalty nominations would only work if your are worried about being evicted...how about if you trash someones belongings or go on a tangent like Dick/Jen...lets see a penalty for that kind of behavior would be a lock down in a private room like they did as a part of the contest last year. Or loss of games or pool or hot tub, geez think of what you do to your children when they misbehave, how about a time out chair. :-) AND then if the contestant still continues to act in a way that is unsportsmanslike, then give them the penalty nomination or escort them to the door. One or two years of effective behavior modification like that would absolutely give the contestant coming into the house a real clue.

Gidget
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07-28-2002

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why not? alison/jun the queens of mean. maggie/ivette you dont have to be cute. erika/boogie the death of the showmance. quite fitting for all stars.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    

quote:

But, in BB1, I remember a wider diversity of people. More and more each year they are all just the same houseguest in a different package...except of course for Dick and Kail. But Kail seemed like a token to me, she never really stood a chance.


Kail was playing this year's April role. (April as in B*usto, not the month)

Fanof8
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08-04-2007

Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fanof8 a private message Print Post    
Right on Nancy!

Gemma120in2002
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07-05-2003

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gemma120in2002 a private message Print Post    
Gidget, I don't care what anyone says, I KNOW the Easter Bunny is REAL! I got the eggs to prove it!

Pennykandy
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08-19-2005

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pennykandy a private message Print Post    
A couple of thoughts.....I don't think the outcome is necessarily predetermined at the outset. I think they probably change who they want to win as the game progresses. If they see one houseguest is more popular, they try to lead the other houseguests in that direction.

Another thing.....I think the manipulation and coercing of the houseguests is really the key theory behind 'Big Brother' If you look at the root of what 'Big Brother' meant before this show came along. It's not just someone who watches your every move, but also someone who tries to get you to do what they want.

What I love about America's Choice is that it has brought out this Big Brother idea a bit more. One houseguest has a specific task, and the work behind trying to convince the others to go through with it is fascinating to me. That they can convince this group of people to do something that #1. they had no intention of doing 2 days ago and #2. May not be in their own best interest......I for one enjoy it!!!!!