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Dallasbbfan
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07-08-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 6:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dallasbbfan a private message Print Post    
This may have been discussed deep in another thread but I didn't see it.

Amber has on several occasions said "I swear on my daughter's life". My daughter and I were discussing this last night and it got me to thinking. What exactly does that mean? If you make a promise by swearing on someone's life and then go back on it do you expect the person whose life you swore on to die? Are you saying that you am so serious about your promise to another person that you will allow *insert person whose life you swore on" to die if I break the promise. (I use "you" as a catchall, not directed at any single person"

I just don't get it. I would never swear on my child's life, well, anyone's really. What are your thoughts on this?

Amac
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09-07-2001

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Amac a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't take that phrase literally, but people use it to show how sincere their promise is. It's like saying you would kill for something; of course you wouldn't literally kill. (Disclaimer: I wouldn't put anything past the current bunch in the BB house.)

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
I am so glad you started this. The first time I heard her say that I couldn't believe it...bad karma as far as I am concerned. You do not swear on someone's life, you don't call in sick to work using your child as an excuse...in short...you don't use your child in any way, shape or form. There is noone out there more important than your child and by swearing on their life you are saying..."you" are more important than my child.

When did the words "i promise" start having different levels. I promise is I promise, by itself it is a strong statement, no need to add "I swear on...".

So I agree with you Dallasbbfan...I too never ever swear on my child's life...going one further I would never swear on anyone's life.

Mack
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07-23-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mack a private message Print Post    
I've heard those kind of expressions pretty much throughout my life. Seems to me it has "old country" connection from literally ancient history. Some parts of the country, and some ethnic groups, use the "swear on my FILL IN THE BLANK life" affirmations a lot. While it seems minor or trivial to me and something I don't recall ever using I have heard it said with much conviction that obviously indicated it meant a great deal to the person.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i hope her daughter doesn't watch the feeds when her mother says that, especially when she is lying.

i remember in that movie, legally blonde, where the instructor asked the question 'would you swear on your life' and the student says 'yes' and then she asked 'would you swear on her (another student) life' and he had the deer in the headlight look.

but with amber, she probably doesn't know what 'swearing on someones life' means.

Dallasbbfan
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07-08-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dallasbbfan a private message Print Post    
I understand that it has been said forever and I'm sure that Amber has done this for as long as she's had her daughter. I too hope her daughter doesn't see this. My 13YO made me promise to do it. LOL We had quite a chuckle about it.

I had never really thought about people saying it before. For some reason, my tiny brain got fixated on it last night.

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Dallas, promise 'to' do it. Did you mean promise 'not' to do it?

Bluedenim
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08-09-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluedenim a private message Print Post    
DBlad - I agree 100%, especially about using them as an excuse to call in sick. I agree going forward I'll never promise on anyone's life.

I don't know...every time I see a "promise" in the BB house, I'm reminded of Mary Poppin's explanation of a Pie Crust Promise - Easily made...Easily broken.

Dallasbbfan
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07-08-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dallasbbfan a private message Print Post    
LOL..grandma! I DID mean NOT to do it. Oopsie!

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I equate it to "May lightening strike me if I am lying". Both ridiculous swears..

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
I don't think Amber has ever lied when swearing on her daughters life. I don't think it is a very good thing to do but I guess it is her way of showing how much she means what she is saying.

Izzysmydog
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08-13-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Izzysmydog a private message Print Post    
During past seasons, it was a pinky swear, this year swearing on someone's life..I never have understood why people do either of those things. It just seems like something kids do... Why would you think that anything said durng a game is true. I remember Dr. Will and him telling everyone he is lying and they believing him anyway. I think that if you are truely playing the game, then there is no reason to swear or promise. It should be a foregone conclusion that whatever you are doing is for that time and place only and really doesn't matter later in the game. Playing a game is just that, period..

Dallasbbfan
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07-08-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dallasbbfan a private message Print Post    
True, she has kept her word when doing so. I'll give her props for that.

Giving someone's "word" doesn't seem to mean as much anymore as it used to.

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
LOL Milosmom...forgot about that one.

Poor Amber...she is in that house thinking America just loves her and the game she is playing. I hope her family has medical treatment ready for her when she gets out cuz she is going to lose it.

Upstate
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02-11-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Upstate a private message Print Post    
This thread just popped out when i saw it. I have always hated hearing people say that. for one thing it's not your life to swear on. And I don't know it's just "why" would you have to swear on someone's life. I've had the loss of a child. So perhaps that is why i'm so super sensitive to that statement. yeah now that i think about it.........i'm 100% sure that is why I hate hearing. I grew up when my "word" was just that.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
she has said 'i swear on my daughters life i have not lied in this game'. she says it so much that, like her crying, i don't believe in the sincerity.

Sidecar
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07-23-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sidecar a private message Print Post    
Amber is one who really believes in Luck, Superstition, Karma, Signs, Dreams Come True...Her relationship with God seems almost like a good luck charm rather than worshipful one...so to her, I think swearing on her daughter's life is meaningful. I honestly think that she believes that if went back on her word something would happen to her daughter (even though she is in denial about her actions half the time)

Sammy
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08-21-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammy a private message Print Post    
sidecar
agree with you 100%---I don't think she really has a clue as the God and the Worship of him...think at times he ranks right up there with a rabbit foot for luck...(hopefully not related to Bunny--) I also think they use her moments now as "entertainment"

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 10:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
I was thinking last night and I don't even remember her bringing up God until she got close to Jameka and let's remember Tuesday's show when she told Jameka her deal with Dani would only be one week she wasn't swearing on her daughter BB had a ball with the "dings" everytime she went back on that. Seems she is a joke to them too.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
When I was a kid I think the saying was something like "cross my heart and hope to die". To me, these statements, and Amber's swearing on someone's life are just silliness. I'm not a superstitious person so they don't mean anything to me. I could see how someone who's lost a child would find them highly offensive. But I don't see why anyone would put any weight behind Ambers words because she says something so outlandish to back them up. For me, someone who says something like that and thinks it give so much meaning is a bit delusional about things anyway.

Msstas1
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08-26-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Msstas1 a private message Print Post    
So what I've taken from these posts is that Amber doesn't really understand what she is saying and that she's delusional? Isn't that a plea of insanity?

Dallasbbfan
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07-08-2002

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dallasbbfan a private message Print Post    
I think Amber is quite serious about swearing on her daughter's life. I just don't think she understands what she is doing though. Hopefully, she will always keep her word when she does that. Not that I think anything would happen but "what if.."

Sidecar
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07-23-2007

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 12:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sidecar a private message Print Post    
I think she is serious and believes it and understands it as truth. There are plenty of people that take superstitions for reality. Gamblers are very superstitious and she is surrounded by them on a daily basis at her job in Vegas.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Add me to the group that doesn't understand the concept of swearing on someone's life. I can't see it being any more meaningful than simply swearing to tell the truth. It's totally meaningless. It's not as if some entirely innocent person will be punished if the person swearing breaks the agreement.

Also, it's rather odd that a religious person would swear on their child's life. Wouldn't they swear on something before God?

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
What does Swearing to God or on a person's life mean?

Does it mean if you are lying that you are "putting a curse on someone"?

In the judicial system you have to "swear to tell the truth"....so help you God...is this where the phrase came from. Seems to swear and to curse is basically the same thing....but at one point, a curse was a hex you put on someone for bad "will" to happen to them.

With my Christian background, I was taught "swearing" on anything...especially to God or on the Bible is blasphemous.