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Onlymytulips
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 8:48 pm
I am wondering after Dick gets out of the house if any lawsuits from women on the outside come forth. All the great footage of his outbursts and antics of control for proof of character. Heck if Dick could of been stopped, he should of been the one doing the stopping.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:14 pm
Dick had a long convo with Jen one evening, outside. Jen admitted to him that she'd never had an organism, never engages in oral sex, and various other things. Many of Dick's comments to Jen related to information SHE gave him. ********************* Wow! Then he used information that she told him in private to use against her to tear her down. Hmmm seems to me he really bashed Eric for threatening to use something a woman told him in confidence. Called him all kinds of names for it. Guess that was why he was so sure Eric really would do it. Because he had already done it himself. He really is a piece of work isn't he?
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Beruthiel
Member
08-07-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:40 am
This is the first season of BB during which I have been unable to select a favourite player. I have defended Dick because I, personally, prefer an outspoken and straightforward attack, over sneaky, behind-my-back ones, but that doesn't mean I approve of everything he has done in the game. I find most of these people reprehensible for different reasons, but they are all just people, and cannot be expected to be perfect. However, it was made plain during last night's show that Dick's actions are his strategy, and if BB allows it to continue, then it must be permissible as part of the rules of the game, no matter how much we might dislike it. We know that those who break the rules are removed - remember Justin? I fail to see how accusing a man and his daughter of incest could be part of anyone's strategy - that is just sick and despicable spitefulness. I believe that Eric is the HG who will need a bodyguard after the show, when Dick and Danielle hear about those comments, which were repeated several times in different ways on several occasions - and what's worse, no one else present took exception, except Jen, who said, "Eww." What does that say about the "Christian" women, who did not speak out? Since it is also obvious that Dick was criticising their hypocrisy, and not Christianity itself, as a Christian I do not take exception to his argument. He's quite right.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:33 am
Allie, it wasn't a private conversation. They were sitting, fairly far away from each other, and talking. It wasn't the whispered conversation that Amber told Eric. In fact, IIRC, other HGs came out. It was a "normal" converstion, outside, not whispered, and in full view of the cameras.
quote:And quite frankly, if ED is smart, he won't be going anywhere when he leaves the CBS studios without a bodyguard - for awhile!
Is this a threat of physical violence? Yet it's OK to disparage Dick for the same thing? Lovely. As far as the "Christian" women... sorry, but I think they are "Christian" only when it serves a purpose. And again, I'm going to ask... if BB hasn't stopped Dick then WHY SHOULD DICK'S BEHAVIOR BE STOPPED? Just because YOU don't like it? Sorry, not nearly enough. (And yeah, I agree with Ber! Eric's several comments on incest are far worse than Dick's rantings.}
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Ambi
Member
08-11-2007
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:39 am
BRuthiel. your post was everything I've been thinking all along. It's amazing to me that while complaining about Dick's bad behavior (and it is bad) the 5 stood there and listened to Eric's incest comments without objecting. For those who say Eric did not continue the comments ala Dick, all I can say is that Eric's observsions about D/D trump Dick's entire stay in the house.
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:50 am
I am wondering after Dick gets out of the house if any lawsuits from women on the outside come forth. All the great footage of his outbursts and antics of control for proof of character. Heck if Dick could of been stopped, he should of been the one doing the stopping. why would anyone file a lawsuit? i am sure if dick has been in jail from domestic abuse there would be something from smoking gun website.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:51 am
Right, ZM. If there had been any real issues, we'd have heard about it by now.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:56 am
I'm for everything that a HG's does to get to the final because that is the premis of the game. There is one thing that steps over the line and that is talk about someone being a pervert or sexual such as incest. The people who talk about this trash are the most hated when they come out of the house. If Eric has watched all the seasons he should know that. If Dicks behavior is bothering them that much they should have voted him out the first week. All of them have something that that grates on us but they signed that thick contract to expose themselves on TV for our entertainment.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:59 am
What was the season where Gerry was branded as a pervert?
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:22 am
Costa - I'm thinking BB2 ...
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:30 am
Thanks Nutsy! I seem to recall that people here were really up in arms over that.
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:44 am
Yeah, me too. Wasn't Gerry also notorious for not washing his hands post wc activity? Ewww.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:31 am
Gerry was in Season 3. I remember it because of the huge arguement in the living room with Danielle and Lori about the hand washing.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:42 pm
By the reasoning that anything short of violence goes, then couldn't it be argued that the comments about incest were an attempt to blacken Dick's character to the point where everyone would want him out? It could be said it was game play as much as Dick's rants. Isn't it a matter of opinion where the line is? I feel threatening to sodomize someone until they bleed, and using the most vile, disgusting terms to describe women to be over the line just as much as the incest remarks. I don't think either are acceptable. And that does not even include the horrible things he said to Jen and Kail earlier in the game. But as I stated in the original post, I did not believe that anything could stop the behavior except BB. Since that obviously was not going to happen, then there was nothing to stop it. Dick tried to say in his qusai apologies tonight that it was all game play, to make sure he was evicted. I know that was his intention, everyone knew it, it was not beg revelation as he seemed to think. But I do not buy that it was all game. When he was alone, he expressed how much fun he was having. He reveled in it too much for me to accept that it was all game. That was the excuse that liberated him to say anything he wanted. He figured he could "explain" it all later and expect everyone to accept it, because he was making such a great sacrifice for his daughter. Dick is full of it.
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:47 pm
Thanks Rosem, you're right - it was 3.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:53 pm
In response to the "Dick is just being honest, and I prefer someone to just tell me the truth to my face" argument: He just admitted to the HG that everything he said was just game, and it was all just strategy. Meaning that he didn't mean anything he said in those rants? How is that honest? (YW, Nutsy!)
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:36 pm
He probably DIDN'T mean most of what he said. A lot was said in a fit of rage. Are you gonna tell me you never told someone you wished they were dead, when you were pissed off? Everyone says things in rage. And yes, I would much rather have someone tell me things to my face than behind my back. You can fight the things to your face (read: Jen). How can you fight or even defend yourself to snarky comments made behing your back, while the HGs are hiding in the HOH room and spying on you?
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:47 pm
"He probably DIDN'T mean most of what he said." He can't claim that he only "tells it like it is" AND that he didn't mean any of the things he said. That means Dick has been LYING all along or he's LYING now. So much for the "Dick is honest" claim!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:53 pm
I've said before and I've said it again. Dick will be picked apart no matter what. He can't win for losing. If he says it's white, it'll be said it's black. If he says it's black then, it'll be said it's white. I will believe what I want to believe. There are things he said that are true. There are things he said that he didn't mean. That's what I believe and that's what I have a right to believe.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:02 pm
But it was not said in a fit of rage. He actually practiced some of it when he was alone in the bedroom. And he would quit for awhile and go in to speak to Zach and Dani and laugh about what he was doing and that he was going to make them all hate him. And he was very calm. No, it was all coldbloodiedly planned. Which to me is even worse than a blind rage. To actually practice what he said just blows my mind. So by his own admission the whole thing was phony. In other words if he did not mean them, then he was lying, something he prides himself on not doing. That is why I say he is full of it. He does not even recognize when he does just what he condemns in others. Defending his actions by saying he was doing it to their face just does not wash. Generally speaking, I would rather someone say things to my face. That usually applies to gossip, but not the kind of stuff he said. I do not want that EVER said to my face, whether he meant it or not. And how do you defend yourself against him when he won't let you get a word in sideways and just shouts you down. And how do you defend yourself against such vague things as You are a bad mother, you have abandoned God, you are a liar (his favorite). An how do you defend yourself against suggestions that he is going to rape you until you bleed. Jen did not fight the things that were said to her face. She ignored them which they eventually all did. There was no defending themselves. That did not happen.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:06 pm
Hey you have every right to believe what you like, as do the rest of us. All of us can claim we are being picked apart. The posts defending and condemning Dick are pretty even, so I don't think any of us are being treated unfairly. We are just expressing our views.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:10 pm
"Dick will be picked apart no matter what." Personally, I think Dick has been picked apart for no other reason than his cruel, abusive behavior and threats of violent anal rape. I have no other bone to pick with him. Dick's behavior is the ONLY reason anyone has ever criticized him.
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Beruthiel
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:38 am
There's an interesting link on the front page of Joker's to something from Howie, when asked about Dick - according to Howie, Dick has been working within the rules of the game, and says that in the house, everything other than physical violence is allowed, including verbal assaults. They KNOW that going in, so, they have to grin and bear it. As to him having told everyone it was all strategy, of course it was, isn't that what we've been arguing about all along? Trying to decide if he was just being brutish for real, or for the game? Well, now we know, from the horse's mouth, and yes, it's still better to one's face than behind one's back. Why? Because what's said to one's face one can refute or argue against. What's whispered into the ears of others behind closed doors, is something one cannot fight against, which is why every accused has the right to face his accuser, in a court of law. Something to think about.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:12 am
"Because what's said to one's face one can refute or argue against." Hi Beru! Only problem is that with Dick, you would need a bullhorn to out-shout him!!
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:14 am
I want to say Hi to you too Beruthiel! I haven't been reading much this year and so I mostly have only seen the show. Maybe someone already posted this...my husband made a good point, before the pov, the hgs could have told Dick to tone it down or else Dani would be evicted. I think that would have stopped his behavior.
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