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Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
That's what I thought, Nick.....but "preordained" is the word Jameka used.

I think "what life hands you" is what Jameka feels is preordained and "how you react to what life hands you" is where Jameka feels "free will" comes in.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
Did a search on Jesus you're my savior, you're my friend, you're my lover. Here's a couple of verses of a song by UPPERCUT that might fit what she was saying/singing.

Jesus, Lover of my soul
Jesus, I will never let You go
You've taken me
From the miry clay
You've set my feet upon the rock
And now I know
I love you, I need you
tho my world may fall ill never let u go
my savior my closest friend
I will worship you till the very end

Jesus, You're the Lover of my soul
Jesus, I'll never let You go
You've taken me
From the miry clay
You've set my feet upon the rock
And now I know
That I love You
And I need You
Though my world may fall,
I will never let You go
You're my savior,
My closest friend
I will worship You
Until the very end



Chere
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08-10-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
After she did it and felt the repercussions she said "I'll learned my lesson, I won't be doing that again".

Earthmother, I don't think Jameka believes her reasons for using the veto was a mistake. Jameka admitted that telling Jen and the other hgs prior to the veto comp that she would use the veto on Jen if she won it was her mistake.

ETA: If Jameka kept her reasons for using the veto to herself none of this would be an issue and she wouldn't be called a hypocrite.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
But now everyone knows she will. Unless she develops a different understanding of God's will.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"So does she think that God changed his mind about her mission because it didn't pan out for her as well as she thought it would? I'm very confused."

I think maybe Jameka feels she misinterpreted god's plan and decided later than maybe god did not mean for her to save Jen after all.

Maybe if she feels that life is preordained, then what she does in the face of "preordained adversity" is her free will.....and since she's only human, she makes mistakes. When she makes a mistake, she takes the blame for it rather than blaming her god.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That is the risk in mere humans trying to interpret God's plan.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
She quickly turned on her original "epiphany" to let everyone in that house know that the precident that was set is now "null and void"..therefore they won't use it against her when it's for someone she doesn't like.

Nick
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07-31-2004

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
I still think "you're the lover of my soul" and "you're my lover" are very different things. But that's me.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Chere, your interpretation of Jameka's remark "I've learned my lesson, I won't be doing that again" rings more true to me than the interpretation that I just posted.

Nick
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07-31-2004

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
I see what you're saying SanFran. And I guess in some sort of warped way it makes sense but in my head I can't sort of say some things are preordained but I still have free will. Because if I choose one way that triggers a series of events or if I choose another way those events might change. If they were preordained it wouldn't matter which way I choose. I'd just get a pass or fail on my choice and the next set of options would come at me in a preordained manner. Sort of a multiple choice test. I have a hard time seeing life that way. I see life far more fluid and interactive than that.

Babsbunny3
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07-28-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babsbunny3 a private message Print Post    
One of my personal pet peeves is bigotry, racism, and religious discrimination. I am a-religious (just not sure what to think), but I will vehemently defend anyone's right to believe and worship in any way they choose.

I think that Kaysar's religious actions in the house (praying) were depicted in a very respectful manner.

I think Jameka's religious actions (speaking of God, her belief that this game is fated, etc.) are shown with the quirky organ music in the background, kind of making fun of Jameka.

It wasn't TOO bad, but I did get the sense that it is OK to make fun of the Bible thumping Christian. I see this all the time in American (and international) society, and it really bugs me. We can't say a thing about Jews or Muslims, but Christians are often fair game. (Not that I WOULD want anyone to persecute Jews or Muslims, both groups part of beautiful and healthy religions.)

Now, do I personally think Jameka's ideas about God and this game are completely whacked; however, I would never belittle her for her beliefs, just like I would never belittle anyone who believes in Immaculate Conception, or the whole Noahs Ark deal, both of which are about as reasonable as Jameka's hand of God theory.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
I still think "you're the lover of my soul" and "you're my lover" are very different things. But that's me.

Me too, it's just what popped up when I searched the phrase she was said to have been singing/saying.

Amykat
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07-24-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Amykat a private message Print Post    
Nick, that's what I was talking about in my previous post. If God is all knowing, then He knows how we are going to act and react. If He isn't, if we put limitations on Him, then He isn't God. It's hard, I know! I still struggle with this. But I consider it to be one of those things I will understand once I'm in Heaven. That "bigness", that greatness is just more than we humans can comprehend because we are finite. He is infinite.

I agree Babsbunny3. If one is a Bible believing Christian, you are fair game. But it's ok...it is predicted in the Bible!

Babsbunny3
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07-28-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babsbunny3 a private message Print Post    
Amykat: you made me laugh.

Amykat
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07-24-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Amykat a private message Print Post    
Hamster, for me, the Bible is the Word of God. Each book was written under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. For me, I always worry when the term "judgmental" comes into play. Again, for me, I love the sinner and hate the sin. And as far as the book of Leviticus goes, that's why God sent His Son into the world, so we wouldn't have to follow the law anymore. Unpopular opinion or not, keep writing! And I echo whoever it was (Nick?) that said how great this is!! I am really enjoying hearing all different views and everyone is playing so nicely!!!

Amykat
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07-24-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Amykat a private message Print Post    
Thanks!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
There is no reason why God can't know what a person will do and still allow that person to make the decision that God already knows the person is going to make.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
love the sinner and hate the sin.

I'm up for that. I love Jameka and I hate the way she's playing the game.

Amykat
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07-24-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Amykat a private message Print Post    
Bingo Jimmer!!

Amykat
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07-24-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Amykat a private message Print Post    
LOLOLOL EM!!!

Bastable
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07-09-2002

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bastable a private message Print Post    
I was watching the feeds when Jameka called Jesus her lover (she was alone in the hammock, rattling off phrases), and she wasn't reciting that hymn.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
I've been quite amused to see people up in arms about Jameka's praying in the house, but there are at least two threads here where some of the same people are praying and/or lighting candles for their preferred outcome. At least she is in the house and her prayers directly affect her ...

Celticlass
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09-10-2005

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Celticlass a private message Print Post    
I guess since I am Wiccan I don't need to apply for BB...I can't possibly win since God has fixed the game ahead of time.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 5:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Serate a private message Print Post    
But do you know that God has fixed it so a Wiccan won't win?????

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I think god leans towards the Buddhists. They seem to have more respect for life than most.