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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 6: Is GOD Micro-Managing the BB Show?: Archive through August 07, 2007 users admin

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Caprica
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02-10-2007

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Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

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thanks!

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

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Jimmer I'm not clear...were you confused why I was horrified by this post of mine;
"Jameka talking to Amber about the other houseguests: "They are not going to prevail over us, it's not written that way"

If so, it's because I cannot fathom anyone who is devoutly religous believing that they could speak for God and emphatically state how something is or is not 'written." That is speaking for God's choices, and assuming they are given preferencial treatment for their relationship and religion vs those w/different views who God wouldn't help/support as much. And I disagree with that w/every fiber of my being as I believe God loves ALL his children.

I could go on and on about if God would write the outcome of BB, but not going there for this. But I cannot wrap my brain around any religious person being ok with that comment for a multitude of reasons.

Let me know if you want me to elaborate (still not 100% sure that was it so don't want to go on and on if you were referring to something else lol)

Sanfranjoshfan
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"That is speaking for God's choices, and assuming they are given preferencial treatment for their relationship and religion vs those w/different views who God wouldn't help/support as much."

I see self identified christians do that kind of thing all the time.

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edited to add - <93> please note: I am not saying "all" christians do that. I am simply saying that I see that being done by "some"christinas.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

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That's the whole problem I have with Jameka and Kail. It is written that way, its in Gods hands, etc. Whatever happened to the free will that we were given by God? Are they saying there is no point in working for something, because if it isn't is HIS plans, we won't be getting it anyway? Confuses me.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

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I think I understand exactly what you mean Lurk, except I probably wouldn't have used the word "horrified". In fact, I probably wouldn't even use the word "surprised" to describe my feelings about this.

I think that Amber's interpretation is incorrect. However, it is not at all unusual for some people to believe that God helps them prevail in life, particularly over others who they believe are less worthy.

Caprica
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I've met quite a few people that think that God manages the lives of everyone.It's almost like they are trying to remove all accountability from the world.

Milosmom
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So if they act like asses that was just Gods plan??? lol

Jimmer
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Yes some people believe that other people (generally not themselves) who act like asses are all part of God's greater plan.

Gusmonster
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06-01-2005

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Sanfran, yes I have a couple of people like that in my church. I gave my testimony a few weeks ago and one of the things I said was " Christians are no better than anyone else, we're just forgiven" Got a few amens but a couple of nasty looks too, lol.

Tracy
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07-16-2007

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I'm glad that Jameka feels sustained by her faith in the house but I don't think that that she's going to win thru it.

I think that God loves the other houseguests as much as He loves her.

Celticlass
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09-10-2005

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So, did God want Jameka to dump "manure" on her head every hour for 24 hours? Wonder what he was trying to tell her with that one?

Bluejaxrock
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I've been away from the board for awhile, and didn't read through this whole thread, so I apologize in advance if this has already been said. I believe Jesus is the Son of God and my Savior. I believe God has a plan for everyone that we can accept or not - free will. But I can't sit back and wait for God to do it all. For example, I am currently unemployed. Do I believe this was the will of God? Yes. I believe there is a better job for me out there. However, that doesn't mean I can sit on my assets and wait for job offers to come my way. I have to make the effort. And if I apply for a job that I think is a perfect fit and I don't get it, I can be upset, but I choose to believe there is a reason I didn't get that particular job.
Does having this faith make me superior to anyone else? Absolutely not. I'm not any more likely to win the lottery or never get into a car accident. Some of what I've seen on the TV makes me wonder if Jameka, Kail, etc., aren't kinda new to their faith, and don't understand that asking for God's will in your life should mean you will accept His will, whether it follows your own will or not. Sometimes God says no, and we have to find a way to deal with it.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

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I found it very interesting that Jameka brings god into the BB house, but then tells Dick that this is no place to bring god into. (During the HOH competition, when he was getting into Kail's head.) Um, girl? YOU were the one who brought him into the house. YOU were the one who said it's already preordained who's gonna win. So no one else can say anything? Yeah.

Justalittlebean
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Bluejaxrock my daughter said the same thing a few weeks ago about maybe Jameka is new to her faith. I have a big problem with her trying to be so holy, yet doesn't think anything of using the F word. She needs to tone it down some regarding the Bible.




Sanfranjoshfan
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I didn't know the bible says you can't use the f-word.

Puckerbutt
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God doesn't have time to micro-manage the Big Brother show - He's too busy making his picks for the upcoming football season.

Sanfranjoshfan
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Oh no! I was counting on him taking time out to pick my lottery numbers! :-)

Bluejaxrock
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SanFran, don't know if you were joking (it's so hard to tell with the written word, huh?) but you are right. Nothing in the Bible I've found says anything about foul language, only about taking the Lord's name in vain. There are "religions" that preach against it, and consider it sinning. imho, religion is man's interpretation of the Bible, whereas spirituality means you ask for God's interpretation of His word to your spirit. (Can you tell I'm not big into religion? Baaaaad experiences.)
And sorry, God is busy picking my lotter numbers, and making sure my hometown NHL team has a winning season. Sorry to hog his time...lol

Sanfranjoshfan
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"SanFran, don't know if you were joking (it's so hard to tell with the written word, huh?) but you are right. Nothing in the Bible I've found says anything about foul language"

I was kidding....and I wasn't kidding. :-)

I do believe that the bible doesn't say anything about using words like the f-word. However, I don't believe the bible is the word of god because I don't believe in god, so even if the bible did say you can't use the f-word, I would just take as the opinion of one person that lived two thousand years ago.

Sabbatia
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Jameka saying "it's not written that way"?? So now God has WRITTEN the outcome of this competition? Is she INSANE?

Okay, what I've been taught is....we have free will and we suffer the consequences of our actions. YES, you can pray for help, and your prayers are answered, just not always the way you want them to be. The God I believe in KNOWS who will win, but he isn't micromanaging it, and he dang sure didn't tell Jameka what will happen in the future.

Costacat
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What does "taste god" mean? Jameka moaned it over and over after she lost the POV (and lost the chance to compete in the next five HOHs).

Kminfinity
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I was impressed with Jameka's prayer sequence. I think she's been a little too righteous at times but those were heartfelt, selfless words she spoke.

I'm not sure if this is what Jameka meant, but "tasting God" is often used in Catholic psalms and hymns as a metaphor for experiencing God's presence - since Catholics are taught that Jesus is literally presence in the Eucharistic Host. In fact, one of my favorite hymns is "taste and see the glory of God.."

In the Old Testament (the Jewish scripture) the Song of Solomon is full of very graphic imagery as a way of describing numinous experiences. It's was considered very "hot" back in the day. Though, I'm not sure today's young girls would appreciate having their breasts compared to "two young roes..."

http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KjvCant.html

Costacat
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Thanks Km. I still don't get it, but if it makes sense to others, I'll let it go. (Buddhist here, we taste only food and drink!)

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

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Hubby has a favourite saying ... "I'm just as God made me".

My response is always "No, this is what you've done with what God gave you".

I get that Jameka thinks the opportunity to be on the show is God's will, but I don't get that she can't make even one decision for herself while she's playing.