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Jodikay
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07-26-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodikay a private message Print Post    
I can't argue with that Lucy. There's no rhyme or reason to it, and how could there be with so many people voting with so many different opinions! lol But I think at least this time, whether forced or not, he's trying his best to use our vote to his advantage, instead of some "hinky vote" happening, and is getting smarter about playing with the AP choice given to him. It does make it interesting, because I can't remember a year when there were so many weeks you didn't know for sure who was going until the day of the vote, and sometimes not until the vote takes place.

My thing this year, is I really don't like any one person all that much, lol. I like ED, but he takes it too far sometimes. Eric can be ok, but then can be irritating. I like Jameka, but think she's taken the religious thing too far for a game like this. And so on and so on. I guess that's not the point of this thread, but had to throw that in there, lol.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
There is rhyme and reason. Neither Dick nor Daniele have been targets from America. Eric just refused to listen to what America was saying because he was hellbent on his own agenda. I think he's finally realizing that the two of them are actually better liked than almost anyone else in the house. He paid attention when America voted for Jen, because he was targeting Jen himself (or maybe, at that point, he didn't really know who to target and she was easy).

But he's not been paying attention.

As to the question about liking another person as AP, I dunno. I don't like Eric personally, but maybe I'd like him better if he actually did what America told him to do. If someone else was more likeable but did the same things, would I be more supportive? I doubt it.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Eric's motto after the show:

Don't blame me blame America!

Napa1526
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07-14-2007

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Napa1526 a private message Print Post    
Why blame America? If the majority of the voters are voting a certain way....that should tell the AP something. Take it or leave it....but it is the majority. His goal as AP, IMO, would be to take the information coming from America and run with it. I do agree it was not a very wise choice to choose Jessica to receive the silent treatment from him and that would be confusing to him. As far as the other votes, had he taken the info (AGAIN, from the majority) and really used it it would have been to his advantage. The problem with having an AP is people are NEVER going to agree....everyone has their favorites and ones they truely dislike, hence the different votes. I do agree he should be playing for us....not us for him. I think the votes have clearly shown him who is liked and who is disliked....using that information he had a big advantage on the other HG. But I don't really think he figured it out until yesterday. Only time will tell if it is a little too late.

Jodikay
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07-26-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodikay a private message Print Post    
Well I say there's no rhyme or reason to it because one week they're having him make Jess his #1, telling her he wants her in the final two. And then a few days later, he has to give her the silent treatment. (perhaps a way for America to show their displeasure with him, but still...) I agree he's had his own agenda, and I think he's realized now he has to go with the flow. If that means he had to be best buddies with Dustin one week, in order to survive, and then having to backstab him the next, then so be it. But can you see what I mean, there's really no logic to that in a game sense? He ideally, if playing on his own, should be getting rid of Dick, IMO. Dick and Dani are a powerful combo. Dustin saved his butt, and by turning on him, I think Eric will probably lose 3 votes on the jury. In any case, I think Eric is at least trying now to do what America says, even if it's not in his best interest. I could see how that would be hard for him.

Jodikay
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07-26-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jodikay a private message Print Post    
Napa, I agree, if he had went with America's Choice more aggressively, I think he'd be much better off. He could have easily gotten Kail out over Nick, and would have been in the good graces of alot people instead of being on the block that next week. Of course the forced vote didn't help the situation, but again, he should have used that vote to his advantage. It made for good drama though!

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Wait a minute, Dustin wasn't a target until this week. Neither Jameka nor Amber have ever been AC for eviction. How is he supposed to be getting the message that America wants him to work with Dick and Dani?

ETA: I think Eric got the message that America did not want him working Kail and Jen early on.

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't be sure Eric got a message to work with Dick and Dani rather he got the message America was voting Dustin out and Dick's approach with a deal gave him the opportunity to square that vote with Jess. It also aligns him with two strong players in the competition area and gives him potential vote producing opponents at final two.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Looking at all of America's Choices so far, Carol, Joe, and Kail have been evicted as America wanted. Jen has won POV or been saved each time. How exactly is he refusing to listen to what America wants? Because he didn't save Nick? He didn't have the houseguests support to get that accomplished and Nick made no effort to even save himself. What more can he be doing?

Yes, I think he finally got the message this week that Dick is America's favorite and he is trying very hard to give America what they want. Will America support him now? I for one will not hold my breath.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
I certainly hope Eric really is suppose to help Dick throuhout the game. I love watching him open that envelope and seeing his face fall. I'm hoping he opens the next envelope and has to try to get Jessica on the block and voted out. I would love to see his face then.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
Well if it comes up that Eric is supposed to get Jessica nominated, I hope he flat out refuses to do it! It's one thing that BB is obviously strong arming him to keep Dick in but to then force him to turn on his closest ally who is now supposedly aligned with D/D to the final 4 thanks to BB would make less than zero sense! Why would Dick's fans want Eric to now get out an ally of Dick's?

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
If he saves Dick I think America will reward him by not putting Jess in harm's way. Voting out Dustin was not to screw Eric, it was because Dustin was <el>.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
The same is true for Amber and Jameka, Costa, and Dustin was just chosen this week. Eric didn't target Dick and Dani until they targeted him, so I don't get your point at all.



Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
Dick and Dani would not have targeted Eric if he did his AP JOB and at least made a real effort to keep Nick.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
The same America who has been thwarting Eric will continue to do so no matter who goes home tonight. They want Eric to fail. If he makes a deal with D/D as it appears, he's already failed, so there's not much more America can do to hurt him in this game.

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
I don't think they want him to fail. I think like me they were pissed that he on 1/2 heartedly tried to save Nick and Mike.

He wanted to to play his own game and not America's like he was put in the house to do. I like Eric and if Dick stays I will forgive him and help him in return.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Duh. Jessica will win this if she is not booted soon. Everyone in the house should know this by now. What, is she untouchable?

Carmil
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07-17-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmil a private message Print Post    
I disagree, Cricket. I believe that if Eric aligns himself with the side of the house more viewers are rooting for, nobody will try to sabotage his game anymore. They've been trying to send him a message for weeks now and finally he's getting it. Or BB got it and drummed it into his head.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Frogi, Dick didn't even try to save Nick. In fact, he encouraged Nick's eviction, yet he is America's favorite and Eric is hated for it? I am sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me.

This is just as new for Eric as it is America and he was inevitably going to make mistakes. I would imagine if Eric had it to do over again, he would do it different. He couldn't have possibly anticipated this kind of retaliation, IMO.

It has to be hard for him to interpret what America is telling him to do when Carol, Joe, Jen, and Kail have been AC up to this point. I think Eric is just now getting that America hates him working with LNC5 and I believe he is trying to do something about it. JMO.

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
Your right Klaw73, I don't know if Eric could have saved Nick I would just have liked to seen him make an effort like he is now to save Dick. Also if he is America's Player he should not be so dead set in a strategy until he sees which way America is leaning.

I am very impressed how hard Eric is working to save Dick and I will honestly be 100% supporting Eric is he pulls it off. I like having an AP in the house and would like to not screw him if he actually does what we ask of him. I didn't vote for the 12 hour cold shoulder task and I do feel bad America picked Jess. I would really like to not see something like that happen again.

Bbpeach
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07-07-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
Take a step back and try to forget that we know any of the players yet. CBS knows that people have not been happy about the game and the outcome of the game for several seasons. So, they come up with a way to 1) Generate more interest 2) Make a little extra cash and 3) Try to appease America, thus increasing the ratings. They come up with America's Player.

So, goal one is accomplished, they're allowing people to vote. No. 2 is also (arguably) being accomplished with charging for text votes. Number 3 - Here's where the debate comes in. If you look at past seasons, how many times did you sit there saying "oh no, don't do that, don't trust them...." You wanted to be the bug in the HGs ear. With AP you get to do that.

I look at AP as we get to tell him how we want the show to go. I also think that is what CBS' original intent was. As long as the majority is happy, then one could reasonably assume the ratings will be decent. I don't think they had ANY intention of simply giving you the vote to let the game play out the same as it would w/out you having a vote. What would that accomplish?

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Eric knows BB will cut him loose sooner or later,(speculations confirmed by CBS discussion board administrators) so he must have signed to renounce the big money. It doesn't make any sense telling us (Julie) he's also playing for the big money when in fact he's supposed to exit the house before F3 to give America that final vote.
The poor guy then is really doing it ONLY for America... bummer... (the Nick fiasco was only a jealousy affair..)

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
I've got an idea of how BB could be structured to let American have total control.

Put the HGs in the house and let them to their thing...talking, interacting, doing BB games and activities and contests. It would be like watching hamsters or mice scurring around in a cage.

Then, once a week, have America call in their votes to evict one person. No nominations, no POV, no inteference by the DR. America would choose the person they want out by simply a popularity vote.

This way, the HGs would have NO idea what is motivating America to choose which one should be evicted. Is it because this one is too pushy? Or that one is too gross? Or another one because they were too sweet?

Not knowing why someone has been evicted by America would drive them crazy! I think it would be fun.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 5:37 am

Um, you don't know if you have a vote at F2 yet. You won't know until Eric gets evicted. IF by some bizarre chance Eric is in F2, you won't get a vote at all!!!!!


<77> I am more than well aware that IF Eric is in F2 I do NOT get a vote...I have ALWAYS said from day 1 that I really don't care what happens to Eric as long as he lasts long enough to get to sequester so that I get a vote in F2...I would be ecstatic IF America would quit trying to blow this for Eric and he actually gets to F2 despite all odds...but since he will most likely be going to sequester next week if Dick and Daniele (most especially Daniele) has anything to say about it then I will get a vote at F2 and am happy to have it.}}

Chicogirl
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07-23-2007

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chicogirl a private message Print Post    
I just found this on the CBS site forum.

From CBS-Adm44
Posts 5

this is absolutely ridiculous and false. the show will be on and the only investigation will be into who is making false reports as in the aforesaid remark from bbw10inc.

that being said; for all of you that continue to ramble on and on about how 'cbs rigged the show by telling eric to push for ed to stay' im only going to say this one more time, Eric is playing the game for AMERICA, hence, the title America's Player, he will disqualify himself if he continues to not follow the rules, yes, that is right, HE is not following the rules, if you go back to the rules under AP caption, and if you can read you will see that it clearly states: He is playing for America, and im sure it is NO surprise, but just in case, America for whatever reason, be it good or bad, America picks ED. so yes, on ERIC's behalf, he has been reminded, being that this is the first time we had an AP, that he must REASONaBLY fight to keep ED and vote Dustin out.....producers didn't decide, YOU did. this is a Game Show there will be one winner, and let me be clear, whether i like it or you like it AMERICA wants ED in the house. it may or may not happen, but if the AP plays correctly he must give it his all in support of ED.