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Loppes
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07-12-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Yoda, I really thought that was not bright of America to choose Jess. I think that is one task that Eric doesn't care that he failed in. It really was not a good choice imho.

After some of the non strategic choices, we as the viewer have made this season for him to carry out, its no wonder BB doesn't let us participate, because we are all way too schitzophrenic on what we vote for.

I for myself, am really greatful as a viewer I did get a chance from BB to have some input, I take that chance seriously and I always try to base my votes on what will help Eric, as my player in there, and not sabotage him, or make him have to squirm. It almost makes me sadder to see some of the seemingly sadistic pleasure viewers take of watching him struggle, rather than realizing what a privilege it is for us to still have someone in the house that we can have a chance to assist in his game.

I am proud of what Eric is doing in there and I fully support him, when he goes with our votes as a viewer, and when he doesn't. He didn't particularly thrill me for the first couple weeks, but at this point, he has earned his right in that house for a chance at the big prize, I hope he will be in the Final 2.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Well there is always more than one view, but no way is there only one way for Eric to play. He has plenty of options. He just has to figure them out. I think he will, it's not over for him.

Mssas
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08-04-2006

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
Loppes, I feel that by making Eric avoid Jess..it made her think about her alliances. So in retrospect...It did exactly what I wanted it to do so I'm glad I voted for him to ignore Jessica. :-)

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
We have a player??? Not that I noticed???

In a nutshell, as I have said numerous times in various threads, I feel they set it up wrong. To truly play for us he couldn't play for himself. Period. I hope they see that is why this isn't working, not that the concept of having an AP was bad.

Also, IMHO the casting could have been MUCH better. I think they thought we were getting a cross between Dr. Will and James. Not even close! They needed someone LIKEABLE, fun, and willing to play for us, not just tell us off when he doesn't like our votes. I don't think it has ever occurred to him that had he thought about our votes and advice, he would have had some excellent game advice. But he wanted to play 100% HIS game, not ours. Which is fine, but he shouldn't have agreed to play for us then!

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
I also voted for Eric to ignore Jess. I wanted to see what kind of game Jess had and what kind of person she was without Eric making her decisions for her.

What I found out is that she is not capable of comfortably making a decision in this game without Eric. That she is scared to make a game move for fear it will upset someone.

Swannanoa
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07-09-2007

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Swannanoa a private message Print Post    
I don't understand the rationale of the majority who vote to have him ignore someone he really likes or the rationale of voting against the player that is playing WITH us to evict someone when he had said from day two he wanted to evict someone else. I will never understand the rational as I didn't understand the Sanjaya stuff either.

I think BB may be to blame for not explaining OUR roles better and what Eric was supposed to do with the outcome of the votes. He only gets the money IF he completes the 5 tasks or whatever. And I don't see anywhere that it states that he has no option in other tasks outside of voting. It wasn't explained properly or in the context of the game and I don't hold Eric accountable for that. I hold BB and all the people responsible for it accountable.

And I think Jess doesn't deserve to have people vote for Eric to nominate her if he wins HOH. If he has any clue what America wants, (and if I were him and knew that too), I'd throw all HOH competitions to avoid that.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
How do you know America's strategy wasn't to force Jessica to start playing the game, and thinking alone? Which is exactly what America's vote did. She couldn't run to Eric, so she started to think things out for herself. How do you know that wasn't America's strategic move? You don't.

What Dfng said is totally spot on, though. She can't make a decision in the house without Eric. She absolutely fell apart trying to think things thru.

And again, Eric is not playing WITH us. He REPRESENTS us. If Eric wins $500K what do I get? Diddly squat. If Eric goes into sequester, what do I get? A vote in the finale.

So my STRATEGIC moves, now, are to get Eric out of the house.

As to the "Jess doesn't deserve to have people vote for Eric to nominate her", well, I don't understand that at all. She's in the house, she's presumably playing a game. If Eric is HOH, anyone left in that house is fair game for nominations. She "deserves" it as much as anyone else in that house.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Does anyone believe that Big Brother set up the AP twist so that Eric could help the viewers favorites advance to the Final 2?

That combined with the DR giving up info to certain players pretty much says this season was rigged so there would not be another Boogie/Erika final 2.

Would you rather watch people strategically take each other out or just have a popular vote?

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I know Eric said we were in an alliance, but each time they show us our voting options, they say "Eric is playing for YOU, America." So I take that to mean just what it says, he is playing for me; I'm not playing for him.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Playing for you implies in your place not as in a job.

Tide
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08-11-2006

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tide a private message Print Post    
QUOTE:
Playing for you implies in your place not as in a job.
END QUOTE

Exactly, Caprica.

Ditto, SanFran

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
:-) thanks!

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Eric will have another Failed... but has to start thinking how to duck those punches...

Wavelength
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07-25-2007

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wavelength a private message Print Post    
Can Eric decline America's decision on who to vote out? I have asked a couple of people today and have gotten two different answers. Somebody help me.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
No he can't decline the decision on who to vote out. Julie never asks him and we have never heard him say I vote to evict..... He goes in for chit chat with her so it doesn't look suspicious, but his vote is determined by the AP vote.

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
Wave - no, he's never even asked. Julie just usually says, we know what your vote is and they have a chitchat for a few seconds to keep his cover.

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
Lucymac - get out of my head! *grin*

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
LOL thank heavens we came up with the same answer!

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Wavelength, Eric has to make a "meaningful" effort at the tasks we assign according to CBS. However, it is up to HIM how he goes about doing it. The only thing Eric doesn't have any control over is our eviction vote. The problem is Eric/America is just one vote. He has to have the support of the other houseguests to make our vote count. He didn't have it with Nick and he may not have it with Dick either. IMO, America continuously sets Eric up to do a difficult task and then people blame him when he can't complete it. While Eric is definitely great at persuading, he does not have control over who gets evicted each week, despite what some might think. JMO.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
my favorite thing about SOME people in here is when the vote doesnt go there way the cry about it being fixed by BB and want legal action. if the vote goes their way and eric doesnt complete their task then eric is scum and they want a rulebook and legal action. they post 50 times a day about how they hate americas player but on show night they are the first ones in here saying how all their votes are going for that task. it just cracks me up.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
It never ceases to amaze me.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Since this is off topic for the Current Happenings Thread, I'm responding to this comment that was originally posted there:

Can't really blame eric. Potentially blowing his entire game out of the water for what at best would amount to $2000 would not be a smart trade off.

If you don't like his decisions blame BB for not making them rewarding enough to do. Personally, I was over Eric and the AP a while back. I don't care about the AP thing before.. Even if Eric has completed well over half his tasks.

I can't blame him for not doing some of the dumb stuff he is being asked to do. He still wants to play the game.


I can blame Eric because, if Dustin is the person America wanted out, he's the one not making a smart move here. I understand wanting to stick with the LNC, especially after last week.

However, he's going to keep running into this brick wall over and over again and he had the chance here to put himself on a path that would be better aligned with how he's being forced to vote each week. He had time to work it to his favor but instead he's fighting it. That's definitely his right but it also means he's just as responsible for what's happening to him as anyone who votes.

Jgirl0129
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08-15-2007

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgirl0129 a private message Print Post    
Oregonguy - you are so right. I am annoyed right now because everyone is trashing Eric once again for not doing his job when we arent even sure who it is that he is voting out. At least wait til after his vote to say if he tried to complete the task or not. I agree the silent treatment was lame but it was an attempt at a near impossible task.

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
Raenstorm with all do respect how exactly does Eric know its the right move for him in the game? Just because a card in the DR says Dustins' name on it or anyone else name? As far as I can see Dustin is not going after Eric next week if he wins HOH but I think Dick will. JMO

Nello
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07-03-2007

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nello a private message Print Post    
Can someone direct me to a site where it states that Eric got the results of the AP vote already? I see him covering himself on both sides and really don't see him swaying the vote one way or the other... rather giving the pros and cons of each and telling Jessica to make the decision for herself and her own best interests. I totally could be confused in thinking he sees "his" vote for the first time on eviction night. Also, has it already been posted by CBS what the AP poll result was? Sorry if this has been asked already... would love to see some factual stuff on this.
(please don't hurt me, LOL!!) Thanks