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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 8:23 am
Kminfinity, I enjoyed reading your explanation of the Lord's Prayer. I don't recall Jason's (BB3) religious belief causing a big stir on the board at least not in any negative way. He was more demonstrative than vocal about it and I think that is a big difference.
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Cruzlvr
Member
11-13-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 8:35 am
I think most everyone needs a "higher power" that they can turn to and lean on, whether it be God or whomever/whatever they choose. We are all human and make mistakes. What I do believe in is living my life in such a way that I don't try to intentionally hurt other people (verbally or physically), you know do unto others... What I don't like are hypocrites, who go to to Church, Synogague or whatever of their choosing and act righteous and then walk out of Church, etc. and right in the parking lot start swearing at other people because they got ahead of them in line to get out of the parking or vice versa. It is not always the words you use but how the word is used. For example take the word Jesus. Depending on the tone and the context on how it is said, it can be something good or taken as being used as a swear word. I knew this lady once who loudly called herself a christian and made no bones about calling out people when they used the "lord's name in vain", said it was very offensive to her and would go on a diatribe about it for a full five minutes non-stop. Yet, this same person had a mouth on her worse than any truck driver, she couldn't say one sentence without using the F.. word, was the worse gossip you ever saw and was having an affair with her boss who was married, yada, yada - I think you get the picture. Finally one day I had enough and just couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer and called her out on it. Told her I found her using that F word all the time just as offensive as she felt about about using the lord's name in vain and that she was being very hypocritcal. She just looked at me with her mouth wide open like I was nuts, but after that I noticed she really curbed her language around me. LOL. What that has to do with anything here, I am not sure but just felt like sharing it at this time. 
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Ohiomobprincess
Member
11-07-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 8:42 am
I don't think God is guiding what's going on in the house, just the people with true hearts. I do think God watches tv. I've always thought that, I don't know why though. I think He may get a kick out of certain shows. He has a sense of humor, look at some of the animals He's created. IMHO I believe that God is always with us and we should all live according to His word. Many new to the faith don't exactly know what to say or how to act yet, but if they stay true I feel their behavior will improve (ie Amber and Jameka).
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 8:59 am
My problem comes when some people feel that the mere fact that they profess Christianity somehow means events will bend to their wishes. Some Christians use God as a good luck charm. For example, if I do a good deed that is pleasing to God in turn he'll reward me for the good deed. Admittedly, I was guilty of that type of thinking early on in my Christian walk and a lot of that thinking came from the education I received at the time. But it wasn't until after experiencing some life changing events and developing the desire to learn the true word of God is when I stopped thinking that God’s purpose was to make my life easier. Unfortunately, I think that’s where Jameka may be at in her Christian walk. I know what Jameka words and actions seem hypocritical to most, but I believe she is sincere in her thinking and she believes the way she’s playing the game is right.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:08 am
To believe in a "God" is human, some choose the Bible to make themselves even more convinced, some choose some other book (don't even want to say the name), and all them think their book is sacred. All these books are written by humans with all their contradictions leading to confusion, but those who have "the faith" will persist in their beliefs. If that makes them happy, so be it. I'm not going to be the one to tell Jameka "have you ever wondered....", nope, it's useless, let her be happy with what she believes, and I'm happy with what I believe. To go to war over these matters is (unfortunately) human and there is no end to it... Those of us who find this ridiculous will have to still suffer the consequences because we live in a world that is not entirely 'sane'.
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Swannanoa
Member
07-09-2007
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:18 am
I saw a billboard the other day and thought it would apply to Amber (well a lot of us as well). It said: If you're going to use someone's name in vain, use your own. It was signed: God
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Hamsteraddict
Member
06-28-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:04 am
This may be an unpopular opinion, but here goes ... I love the stories of the Bible. And I'm a member of an organized religion that I grew up in and was schooled by for a number of years. I understand the significance of the Bible. However, I think constantly calling the Bible "the word of God" can be misleading. I like to remind myself that, if anything, "The Bible" is a "biography" of God, whether "authorized" or "unauthorized". It's NOT an autobiography. It was written by others about Him and His Son. As such, it was open to interpretation by each author at the time each book was written. People who take each sentence literally tend to be some of the most judgmental people we know of in modern society. Would the same loving Jesus who forgave Mary Magdalene's sins and counted her among his closest companions agree with the "stuff" written in Leviticus? Leviticus damns Mary and her ilk - along with so many others. Same book ... different author. You decide.
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:18 am
Jameka also said "Jesus, you are my lover. This was just downright scary! Even God might shrink away from this a bit! I agree with kminifinity's post on prayer. I never pray for tangible things, but for God's will to be known to me, for how I can best be used in this world in God's name, for patience, and mostly for forgiveness. What I've found in my life is these prayers are answered, but not necessarily in the way you might expect. Often they're answered with hardship which teaches you - i.e., patience isn't just bestowed on one - you end up in situations where you learn to find patience and you tend to keep getting sent situations to practice it. Hence, be careful what you pray/wish for! I believe God is in the house because God is everywhere, but I also believe that this is just another situation to test his believers in the things they have learned that they may learn more about how to walk in God's name. God does not differentiate games from life - it's always situations that you're presented with and how you handle them. 
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:26 am
God does not differentiate games from life - it's always situations that you're presented with and how you handle them. But God does differenciate right behavior with wrong behavior (sin). My problem with Jamika's way of playing this game, is using her love of God to somehow give the impression to the other hgs that she is playing the game in a more moralistic way than they are. I think that is what makes Dick so mad, it borders on hypocracy.
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:28 am
"Jesus, lover of my soul" is a song so Jameka could have been referring to that (I don't know the context of her saying that). It's not meant to be in the way we think of a lover.
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:33 am
Well it is vanity to be honest. That Jameka thinks "God is playing for her" by giving her signs etc. God does deal with how we handle ourselves within situations and will judge how one uses him in their lives. These two - Amber and Jameka - are using God as more of a seer or prophet than as a guide to live by. This I don't agree with but perhaps there will be a lightbulb along the way that will help them learn. Also, I think it's important to learn from all these folks - from what they say and do. God does speak to us in mysterious ways! Often we'll see someone like Jameka or Amber pray for money and get their request but are still very unhappy. Have they learned anything? And what can we learn from observing them?
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:34 am
I saw the transcript of Jameka's use of lover - She was singing Jesus's praises in the hammock I believe and saying things like Jesus you're my savior, you're my friend, you're my lover.. etc. The context was a bit creepy... hehs. I'm sure someone with more time will find the quote.

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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:35 am
Jameka or Amber pray for money and get their request but are still very unhappy. ill gotten goods..It won't be about the money, it will be what part of their soul they had to give away to get it.
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:43 am
Or it may be given to them to learn something since they were asking for something for the wrong reason. If they don't learn from it then... that's between them and God. So many ways to look at these things and God is really the only one that knows. 
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:44 am
I haven't heard Jameka pray for money, has anyone else? Listening in on Jameka praying yesterday she was thanking Him for giving her strength, guidance, etc. She asked for wisdom etc. This is part of how she lives her life, and she's not leaving that at the door. I don't see how that is her making assumptions. She's NEVER said God is playing for her. She's not said she's playing the game better. In fact she's said this is what I'm doing, not that everyone believes that. And we all sin. She's said she's not reading enough, she knows she's said things she shouldn't have and is trying to stop doing that. Being an active Christian can help stop that, which is why she's taken to reading more. She's never said she's perfect or better than everyone else. Just that this is how she's playing or doing what she does.
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:51 am
My apologies - I said "someone like J or A" .. not that Jameka actually prayed for money. I did however see the transcript where Jameka did praise Jesus for being her lover.. hehs. I haven't seen the transcript where she prays for wisdom although that I would completely agree with and would honor. I do think that Jameka interpreting that since God put her name on a ping pong ball that he was in some way giving her sign about something - to me that's in the line of "God playing for her". Just my interpretation. I'm not really against Jameka so much. I do think she's true in her heart and is trying to live her beliefs. And I fully know how hard that is. I sin enough to be my own focus and not worry about others! "remove the branch from thine own eye first... etc." It's Amber that I guess I get more cringey about to be honest. I just think she has some really serious problems.
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Amac
Member
09-07-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:55 am
I thought Big Brother himself was "God" as far as the houseguests are concerned. And didn't I read on this board that Carol said that if she was to be the first houseguest evicted that it was God's plan for her?
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:57 am
I didn't read the whole quote about "someone like", my bad, but still I didn't see the correlation. I don't think that was God playing for her, it's just that God plays a role in her life and that's what she thought God was doing. And I don't know how that helped Jameka? That doesn't make sense to me. Amber has many issues. Had been a drug addict, admits her boyfriend smokes pot every day and does coke occasionally. She says she refuses coke, but didn't mention not doing pot, so I'm thinking she may do it. I think her finding a guiding force in life besides her boyfriend would be a good thing. She seems like a nice person who is loyal and kind. I think she's overcome a lot to get where she is but has a ways to go still. I think Jameka encouraging is a positive, and I hope she learns something about herself and life while in BB.
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:57 am
If she did, maybe it was. Who's to know? Maybe he has a better way to use whatever talents she has... 
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:12 am
I took Jameka's comments to mean that everything in life is "preordained" and that they are all just walking down that preordained path and that god will judge all people on how they handle the obstacles god puts in their way. I didn't take it to mean that Jameka thinks that god was taking a special interest in Big Brother. To Jameka, the BB house is just one short side road on the highway of her life. (Sorry for all the overused "road metaphors", but that's the only way I could describe how I see Jameka's remarks!)
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:19 am
Well if everything were "preordained" then we sort of lose the concept of "free will"... a rather major concept in Christianity. 
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:20 am
BTW - I've rather enjoyed this conversation and it's nice to see people here expressing real concepts and ideas and beliefs without any nastiness! Thank you. 
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:21 am
I think that's what she meant too Sanfran.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:24 am
So what I'm getting from this discussion is that Jameka used the POV on Jen because she believed that God wanted her to play for whoever pulled her ping pong ball. After she did it and felt the repercussions she said "I'll learned my lesson, I won't be doing that again". So does she think that God changed his mind about her mission because it didn't pan out for her as well as she thought it would? I'm very confused.
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:27 am
My understanding was not only was she supposed to play for them but if she won she was supposed to take them off the block. Jameka's interpretation. Not a request from Jen. But of course Dick used this to blame Jen. I honestly didn't see the aftermath of Jameka deciding it didn't work out so well so can't comment. 
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