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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:34 pm
There is lots of discussion in various threads about how fully Eric is fulfilling his obligation as AP. There seems to be three differeing opinions. 1. Eric should follow all directions fully, completely and with enthusiasm, even if it means he loses. 2. Eric should do even more, specifically follow the spirit of directions as well as letter of them; i.e. many argue he should lobby to get Dustin voted out rather than just follow the letter of the directive, which is only to vote him out, even if it means he does something to hurt his own chances. 3. Eric should follow the directons but can also take other actions to allow him to play the game fully and better his position and possiblky win; i.e. he needs to vote as he is told, but can lobby to get others to vote the other way if that serves his own cause better. So, what say you? I think we can all agree that Eric must do specifically what he is told if he is going to be AP. But does he have to do it enthusiastically? Does he have to go further and work to get others to do what he has been told to do? Or can he work to negate what he is told to do, even as he does exactly what he is told to do?
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:39 pm
Well, regarding #2, the letter of the directive is "who should Eric try to get evicted" so that would indicate he should lobby to get him evicted regardless of how he's required to vote.
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Cokegirl
Member
03-08-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:43 pm
I personally think its #3. Yes he's AP but he's also playing the game of BB so he wants to win. I can't find any fault with that. Even though the votes for his tasks haven't always gone the way I'VE voted. I don't get mad about it though.
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Kiari43
Member
08-25-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:46 pm
#3 too
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Kiari43
Member
08-25-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:47 pm
They would need to offer up a WHOLE lot more money for me to mess up my game if I were him. It is costing a relatively smart player 500k
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Bubba
Member
07-29-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:48 pm
#3
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:50 pm
The big mistake of having a houseguest playing both games is that sooner or later his failures will catch up with him, meaning that it was still early enough to deny Nick's eviction vote, but it may already be too late to deny Dustin's eviction vote, and later on it will be even more difficult for him to hide behind a "lie". You can't fix something that is so wrong, he cannot do it both ways, he thought he could but he was wrong. Of course he expects his own eviction (either by vote or by BB design) in a week or 2 weeks time and really his game is done. BB gave us the last vote, that's enough for them. He can't win his own game when America is putting him in jeopardy, sooner or later he'll sink. Sure he tries but he is in conflict with his own game, so what gives...
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Snee
Member
06-26-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:51 pm
#3
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:54 pm
I think the fact that he gets paid for the tasks and does not get paid if he does not complete them suggests that he has the option to not do them, with the exception of the vote which is not his choice. He does not get the option to vote as he pleases. I feel except for that, he should try to complete the tasks but stop short of sabotaging his own game. They are not paying him enough to give up the right to a half million dollars.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:54 pm
When you say #3 is just like saying... sure I'll do what America wants but I have to look after my own interests first. Not so dude, you can't have it both ways. You'll sink. If you keep showing your hands (Nick and Dick), don't think that you can win your game, they'll eat you alive!!
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Tide
Member
08-11-2006
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:59 pm
Option 3 In another thread, Milosmom was kind enough to post a relevant transcript from the first show. (see below) You will note that Julie asks us (America): "Will you be able to lead Eric to the end of the game and the ½ million dollar grand prize?" I think the implied message is clear. *********************************** AP transcript from Episode 1...... Julie: Do you ever find yourself shouting at your favorite houseguest on the TV screen because you know they are about to make a fatal mistake? If so, we have a twist just for you because for the first time in Big Brother History you, America, will be in the house. One of our houseguests is called America's player. This person will follow your instructions throughout the game everything from who to get out of the house to who to make out with in the house. It's time to meet America's player. Eric: So it looks like I'm going to be America's player. Welcome to reality TV's first alliance of 10 million. I couldn't be more excited. We're going to pull off reality TV history. We're going to win this thing. I'm going to do this for the online bloggers the live feed watchers and everyone sitting on their couch who are saying like what a bunch of idiots. You guys are in full control of my destiny in this house. You're going to be able to tell me who to vote for, who to target for nomination; your wish is my command. I'm here to give you guys what you want. I hope America realizes this is a chance for us to be the stars of this show and send everyone else packing. I am the quintessential BB player. I got the brains, I got the cutthroat skills, we're going to have some fun. We're going to bring it home, America. Julie: Now that you know the identity of America's player, here's how it will work. You will be giving directions to Eric every episode this summer starting this Sunday via text message or online at cbs.com. You give the directions and Eric must follow them. He is sure to obey you because for every 5 tasks he completes, he will have earned $10,000. Will you be able to lead Eric to the end of the game and the ½ million dollar grand prize? This summer the power is in your hands America and this is just the beginning of an exciting summer.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:02 pm
Number 3 and that is the way BB set it up. Let's say you work for a company that offers you a 10k bonus for doing a few tasks or the chance at a 500k bonus for doing something else. There is a bit of conflict between the tasks at times. What would you do? The problem of course for Eric is that a large portion of the America's Choice voters either don't like Eric, don't care about Eric, are only interested in their own agenda, have different ideas about what is strategically best or are mad at him and just trying to make his life miserable. The very slim long-term chance Eric had was to make the majority of the voters care enough about him to try to help him. LOL – He hasn't done that.
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:04 pm
I should clarify that my opinion isn't #2... or, rather, it is but it's a combination of all three as well as other information that's not listed here. I think that if the question we vote on says, "Who should Eric try to get evicted this week?" then his task is to make an actual effort to get that person evicted (which makes sense since he doesn't actually have a choice on the voting so his task can't be the vote alone because there's no way to fail that). However, he certainly has the right to do it as he sees fit which may mean sometimes "failing" on purpose. That said, if week after week the vote doesn't go along with what he keeps promising his alliance in the house, I would think that a smart player would realize he's going to eventually going to get stuck between a rock and a hard place and adjust his strategy accordingly. The LNC might be his preferred alliance but he's not completely free to make his own decisions in this game so maybe it's not actually the most realistic alliance for him given his circumstances.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:10 pm
Raen.. you can fail all tasks if you want to BUT not the eviction vote, the vote is what will be Eric's undoing.
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:17 pm
I think Eric is perfectly clear at this point in the game on what exactly he has to do or not, and so is BB. The fact is that even though we are allowed to participate, the way he does it is unknown to us all. We speculate and talk about whether he should do "this" or "that" in all sorts of ways. But the fact is we don't have control and only BB and Eric. Having said that, in my view I have noticed alot of thoughts of how he should deal with his role, and likewise, how various viewers feel his role should be. They all differ. I have my own view too. BB did not ask for input on how specifically and exactly Eric should be in the house. We are the ones, who keep creating new rules, old rules, or misinterpeting the rules we actually know of. BB has not shared all the specifics of the legal signed contract they have with him. So, I just roll with it as it comes. I accept that as a viewer I have some input, but not total control. I'm willing to "live" with that. 
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:18 pm
Eric is AMERICA'S PLAYER, he needs to play by OUR strategy NOT HIS. He was not cast to play HIS game, he was cast to play what the majority of AMERICA wants period.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:20 pm
Eric is AMERICA'S PLAYER, he needs to play by OUR strategy NOT HIS. America plays favorites. Playing favorites is not a strategy to win the game.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:20 pm
Frogi, BB told Eric he can play BOTH games. Unfortunately they didn't foresee the present dilemma.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:21 pm
I was annoyed with how Eric was handling the AP role, but I got over that a while back. I write the AP thing of as a failure. Should be sacrifice his chance to win? No. Because clearly that was not the agreement he made with the producers. If they do it in the future should it be set up differently? Most definitely yes.
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:26 pm
Spunky: But he can fail that task because the task is NOT the vote. Eric doesn't get a vote. His task is to try and get the person America picked evicted. So, in that regard, I think opinion #2 has merit. The wording of the task implies that he has to make an effort to get that person evicted. Therefore lobbying to get others to vote the other way to guarantee his vote is nullified goes against the spirit of the task. Naturally, he has free will and a desire to try and win the game so he can chose to tank the task if he wants but there are pros and cons to that as well. (The big con being that people don't like it when their votes are ignored and may retaliate.)
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:31 pm
Raen, when I meant the vote, yes, it's the America's choice, he doesn't vote. However, he is in a game with others in the house and how can he survive when they realize that he's messing with the votes? They don't know it's America's doing, but it will be enough to destroy him in the end.
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:34 pm
I put this question to peeps in this folder, as I did somewhere else also. Dick said this below and I ask you the same: "How can it be for the guy (Eric) to vote to keep a guy like me in this week (Dick), who last week voted to evict him, and then this week, vote to evict a guy who saved him last week (Dustin). Does America really want OUR player to be a hypocrite? Is that what we really want?
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:36 pm
Spunky: Right, which is why I said he should have adjusted his gameplay to work with what he was being dealt. He doesn't have to like it but, if he wants to stay in the game and not have the entire house find out he's the rogue voter, then find a way to make it work for you. To me it's always been as simple as that. He agreed to be AP so he agreed to have an added complexity to his gameplay. He can't afford to just consider what's going on in the house. He also has to factor in the AP stuff.
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Govols
Member
07-19-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:37 pm
Yes, I want Eric to do what America voted him to do. Get Dustin evicted. It wouldn't be difficult. He is too talented in his words not to be able to make this happen.
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:37 pm
Loppes: America didn't vote to evict Dick last week so America isn't the one making him a hypocrite.
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