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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:29 pm
The who isn't wrong sanfran - no one can possibly even guess that America is voting in the place of one of the other players. She guessed that it was Eric's vote that was wonky, and she's right. Whatever the reason, her gut feel is correct.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:36 pm
Give it up, Nutsy. Obviously Daniele can't guess the real reason why. But she got the who correct, and that's all that matters.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:41 pm
"The who isn't wrong sanfran - no one can possibly even guess that America is voting in the place of one of the other players" If "no one" can possibly even guess that America is voting then that means Daniele can't possibly guess it was really America....and that makes her wrong. Daniele only figured out who did NOT cast that vote. She can't figure out who did cast it because she's assuming things about the game that are not true. It doesn't matter if no one else can figure it out either. That just means that they are all wrong because they are all making incorrect assumptions.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:44 pm
You can believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. So I take it that if you don't like Dick, you don't like Daniele, and vice versa? Neither person can stand on their own? Daniele will never get credit for actually figuring things out, even if AMERICA actually cast the vote.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:10 pm
"You can believe what you want and I'll believe what I want." I TOTALLY AGREE. "So I take it that if you don't like Dick, you don't like Daniele, and vice versa?" Neither person can stand on their own?" Of course they stand on their own. They are individuals. They are EACH incredibly unlikeable and immature in their own distinctive ways. "Daniele will never get credit for actually figuring things out, even if AMERICA actually cast the vote." If AMERICA actually cast the vote, then Daniele didn't actually figure out WHO it was, did she?
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Raenstorm
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:15 pm
Eric = America's Player therefore Eric = America therefore Daniele did figure out WHO cast the vote.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:20 pm
I've got a great idea that would make the D/D team work. Send dick to sequester house, send dani immediately behind him. THEN send in Dr. Phil. Although, after a couple of days they might have to haul Dr. Phil out in a straight jacket. But it would make for "good TV". And make them some extra bucks. AND, best of all, give the remaining BB houseguests a break. Many smiles would break out & they could get on with the game. Pity the third houseguest heading for sequester house, maybe they could reserve space at the funny farm (and another straight jacket) for the poor soul to spend some quality time with Dr. Phil. 
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:26 pm
"Eric = America's Player therefore Eric = America therefore Daniele did figure out WHO cast the vote." That would never stand up in a court of law! Eric does not cast any votes and Eric is not even remotely responsible for that vote. Hey I gave her credit for figuring out that Eric lied....and she did it with only one tiny clue, a huge banner with bold red letters being flown over the BB house that said "Eric and Amber are Liars".
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:33 pm
Hey I gave her credit for figuring out that Eric lied....and she did it with only one tiny clue, a huge banner with bold red letters being flown over the BB house that said "Eric and Amber are Liars". ROFLMAO! One tiny clue!
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Tide
Member
08-11-2006
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:34 pm
Just a couple of thoughts. If you consider Dani's past relationship with Dick to have included verbal abuse (which I do), it makes a couple of her actions in the house understandable. 1. An abused child will be relieved to see the focus of the abuser on others rather than herself. I think Dani is still traumatized by her father's rants and will do almost anything to avoid them. That's why she's stayed away from him in real life. In the house, Dani can't avoid her father, but she can tacitly or overtly encourage his ranting at others so that he won't be yelling at her. 2. An interesting thing about verbal abusers is their tendency to rant when they see others having a good time. (I believe the abuser is so internally unhappy that seeing the enjoyment of others feels like an affront.) So, this may explain Dani's semi-permanent funk. Her apparent unhappiness may be another attempt to avoid triggering Dick's wrath. I don't know that the above dynamics are actually applicable to Dani. But I did post a couple of weeks ago that I would like to see how Dani would act/interact without the albatross of Dick around her neck. I'm going to withhold any judgements about her unless and until we are allowed to see her without Dick in the house.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:41 pm
I agree with Tide on deciding whether I like Dani or not. I want to see how she acts once Dick is gone. There is far too much hurtful history there to assume she can be herself around him. (Besides, most 20 yo's feel constrained when mom and/or dad are around -- that's why they tend not to spend a lot of time with their parents if they can help it). There is no doubt she is young and immature. But I sense she is not as bad as she comes across when her father is around. I still think once he is gone, she will be treated differently by the others and she will treat them differently.
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Snee
Member
06-26-2001
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 8:55 pm
i have to agree with tide and what. gotta see her on her own in their to really decide if i dislike as much as i think i do! the whining wears on me something fierce.
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Castleexplorer
Member
08-10-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:18 pm
I think that one of the scenarios that is going on here is that Dick doesn't accept Dani for the age she really is. I know when my ex and I divorced, our daughter was ten. He actually met someone on the internet after our divorced and moved away, so he wasn't around her. She is 18 now and in his mind she is still ten. For Christmas the year before last, he gave her some Barbie horses because he thought she might want to put them up in her room. This past Christmas, he gave her a HUGE stuffed horse. My daughter hasn't been into horses since she was ten. What is an 18 year old going to do with a huge stuffed horse? Put it on her bed?!?! She ended up donating it to the local Head Start. When her Dad left, I took her to family counseling for about 15 sessions over the years until she was able to determine that it wasn't her, it was her father. Also, if Dick's mom raised Dick and Dani, that might be a connection, too. It's hard to tell how her parenting skills are. I'm hoping that they are wonderful. It would be easy for her to overcompensate because it was her son who left her granddaughter and she might be coddling her to make it "right" again.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:33 pm
In agreement with Snee, What, and others--waiting for dad to go so we can see what Dani is like without them. I think she has just about shut down until he is gone.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:10 pm
Yes Tide, I agree with your assessment. As a former recipient of verbal abuse from my ex- ("in your face" doesn't make it more pleasant, as most former victims of domestic violence would likely attest I have no doubt). When the raging/screaming is in progress, there is always the primal fear that it will escalate to the next level, whether one is young or whether one is a mature adult. Many people talk like it's parenting or honesty, my mileage happens to differ. Plus, the fact that it is RELENTLESS verbal abuse, wherever or whoever it is directed towards, such as ED's supposed "gameplay". I don't get the feeds myself, but I'm sure reading that info checking out the stuff TVCH people are posting each night -while CBS is happily editing the TV show to juice up their ratings. I wondered if Dani's staying in bed all day was perhaps dealing with depression, or isolating herself. I kind of wondered if she was having internal struggles. Struggling as to: 1) yes, she needs to give dick the sympathy vote (because he became the martyr saving his little girl off the block) or 2) if she might just wish to vote him out herself, just to escape the SOB. Even if those ugly tirades are directed at other people, just keeps bringing up past bad/unhappy feelings. Scabs never allowed to heal. Whatever happens, the dude is toxic and ruining her game, if she ever had one herself. But I don't think she's ever going to be ALLOWED to have her game until her daddy is gone. Unfortunately, if he goes now it might be too late for her to ever recover, we'll see what happens. ED is an old guy, what's he doing playing in the sandbox with youngsters anyway? I think CBS stepped too far over the line this time. In creating "entertainment" for the masses, instead it's created further mental issues that will be a can of worms for any shrink to try to sort out - not only for Dani but also some of the other houseguests that seem to be having issues. .
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:29 pm
I disagree with Tide's #1 and #2 statements. Some children deal with the abuse that way, but others don't. There are several different ways children cope with various different kinds of abuse. Most of the time, the child grows up not even knowing they are being abused. They develop coping tools subconsciously. Some kids cry when their sibling is being abused. Some kids wish it was them being abused rather than a younger sibling. Some kids try to become perfect. Some kids hide and avoid trouble at all costs. There are just many ways to cope.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:32 pm
@ Castleexplorer Thanks! I think your comments make very good sense too!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 5:23 am
There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that Daniele was ever abused. Period. There is also NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that Dick was ever an abuser.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:49 am
Well, except what we are seeing from him in the house. I think that, coupled with Daniele's decision to estrange herself from him and her comments which lead one to believe that she has been subjected to his tirades before, is pretty good circumstantial evidence of Dick's propensity to verbally abuse others.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:57 am
Maybe Dick left his children because he realized he couldn't be a good father to them and out of love for them he placed them with their grandmother. He made sure they could grow up without the nastiness of his character, which is better than impose on them his nastiness. Having realized that Daniele resented him for this and having matured somewhat he must have tried to get reacquainted with her but discovered that she doesn't want to now. She will have to mature as well and if her father continues with the best behaviour towards her she may come around and accept him back. I don't believe the cause of the split was abuse. He left her with her grandmother out of love for her to grow up in a more peaceful environment, but didn't think well enough about the feeling of a child who's abandoned by a parent. She'll resent him for that for a long time and he better be prepapred and not start pushing her to be sensible now. He should just give her the space she needs now, let her come to him. He just has to be patient and understanding of her feelings, but he should also insist that he will be there for her and repeat over and over that he really loves her. Some children really need those words and gestures. If after all his efforts she is still rejecting him then she really needs counseling.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:16 am
You may be 100% correct, Spunky. But I still take issue with Costacat's assertion that there is "NO EVIDENCE whatsoever." There is some evidence. It may not convince any particular individual, but I believe it shows that, more likely than not, he has a history of being verbally abusive.
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Castleexplorer
Member
08-10-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:16 am
I thought that her brother, Vincent, said that Dani had borrowed money from Dick and didn't pay it back and that's what started the rift. I can see that as both of them are strong-willed. Instead of letting it go, Dick probably is trying to teach her about the "real world", and she is probably thinking that her dad "owes" her anyway for leaving her with her grandma. I agree with you Spunky. Not trying to make it all about my daughter, but my ex moved back to our area when my daughter was 18. He tried to start parenting her then, she was still in high school. She really resented it because I had raised her alone and her dad was starting to try to parent her after it was too late.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:15 am
Well I do like Dani, so that makes her likable in my eyes. Her life is not black & white like some posters would like to believe. Some posters make it sound like she doesn't deserve to have a friend in the world. Please, if you don't like Dani then don't like her. I believe she has plenty of friends and family who love her and know that she is not just what you are saying about her. We all have things about us that others don't like especially others who cannot relate at all. I'm taking a step back from coming in here and defending her after the same posters who have seemingly the same insults to her post after post. I'll just ignore the negative stuff written about her. Again, I don't think she is perfect at all but I do get that she is young and has some issues(don't we all.)
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:35 am
Yea, yea, yea..........anyway. It's prety bad when your own Father calls you a B**** as it is resported thst ED did last night.< By Loppes in the live feed summaries> It almost makes me feel sorry for him. Almostttttt.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:44 am
Dani, very wisely, has chosen not to air her family's dirty laundry for all the world to see. We really don't have much of a clue about her history. However, it is clear that the more ED pushes her to relate to him, the more she resists and retreats. It could be that she wants any relationship they might have to be her free choice, not giving in to his pressure and/or manipulation. He doesn't seem to get it. It might be best for him to back off. He can keep in touch in a low key way, so she knows that he's available, but, IMO, he needs to let her come to him, on her own.
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