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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:52 am
If there is anyone that is still watching Reality shows with the understanding that the producers set everything up and then step out and let the chips fall where they may, I have some swamp land to sell that you may be interested in. Even in BB1 they intervened when George rallied the others to walk out. Nothing has changed.
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Amac
Member
09-07-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:02 am
One has to wonder how "real" this reality show is when the results aren't real, but manipulated behind the scenes....... Either way you look at it (reality show or game show), the producers are (supposedly) manipulating the results, and that, in my opinion, is just plain wrong.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:04 am
Sorry to break the news, but the producers have involvement in EVERY reality show there is. That's the bottom line. Don't you think there is a reason they NEVER publicly release the voting totals in American Idol
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Amac
Member
09-07-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:07 am
I should amend the previous post to say that manipulating the results of the game in full public view is one thing; doing it behind the scenes is another; I don't care for either but at least with the former they're admitting it.
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Battlestar
Member
07-27-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:19 am
If this was BB1 ---we the voting audience would have turfed Dick in the the first week if he had been nominated. ---so I am grateful that that the public does not have total control over what happens, ---but I really do like this AP twist that lets the audience have some minor control----and this week it is a a big whomping one!!!!!!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:35 am
THANK YOU ARK!!! I agree 100%. I too have a bridge to sell, to those who believe this show has never been "fixed" in little ways.
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Willwillbee
Member
09-20-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 11:18 am
If Eric doesn't coerce Jessica into agreeing to vote out Dustin, he will lose his group anyway, IF Jen, Zach, Dani & AC vote out Dustin. I think he also realizes that he needs to align his game plan with AC or he will be sabotaged.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 11:41 am
Battlestar, you hit it right on the head (and we probably would have lost Jen the first couple of weeks too if it was a public vote) A lot depends tonight on who gets HOH, and if it's a double eviction week (as many of us think it is)...and if it's instant nominations. It will be basically Amber against everyone else.
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Swannanoa
Member
07-09-2007
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 11:50 am
I like the idea of a D/D/E/J alliance. I truly don't believe Dick will turn on Eric. It's just something I sense about this. If you read the book "1984" you'd know that Big Brother was everywhere calling the shots. Why would it be different on this reality show which is based, supposedly, on the premise of that book?
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Bubba
Member
07-29-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:00 pm
Swannanoa, if BB is calling the shots then why let them think they have a chance of 500,000? If BB knows who will win, then why play. The BB conection to the book should be that BB is watching them not that they are controlling the outcome of the game. Is it a game or a show?
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:01 pm
I don't agree that Dick would have been out right away in season 1. Dick had a lot of fans from the get-go. Now Jen, yes, she would have been gone right away.
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Darrellh
Member
07-21-2004
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:03 pm
If we voted everyone out, the Houseguests would have behaved differently. The dynamic changed once they didn't have to worry about what we saw. They'd be sittin' around, swappin' recipes and having tupperware parties, if they had to be concerned what we thought. (I just re-read that, and the voice in my head sounded like Suzanne Sugarbaker)
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Bubba
Member
07-29-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:06 pm
Lets see Eric and Jess are now in a group of, Jameka, Dustin, Amber, Jen. That is six. Now a smart move would be to leave that group and join Dick and Dani, hmmmm lets see that is four. Smart NO, I wonder why they would make such a stupid move? Oh yeah, must be for ratings, for BB.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:16 pm
I think its funny when entertainment is thought of as a constitutional or statutory right of the people.... ...I think that is a BIG reflection on our society today...LOL
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Delilah
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:33 pm
Worse case scenario if Eric and Jessica are on the bottom of the totem pole with Dustin, Amber and Jameka - fourth and fifth place. Worse case scenario if they are on the bottom of the totem pole with Dick and Daniele - third and fourth. That's one place better, no? I think its a fine move for Eric that helps advance his position *and* he won't have to lie about a "wonky" vote this week.
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Bubba
Member
07-29-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:42 pm
Jessia isn't on the bottom of the totem pole with Dustin, Jameka and Amber. It is Jess, Jam, Amber, Dustin.
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Delilah
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:47 pm
But within that J/J/A/D group ... its still conceivable that Jessica would go out fourth. With Dick and Danielle ... she could conceivably make it to third and be in the running to decide her fate with the Diamond veto, determining who she would be standing next to at the end ... *and* between D/D, there could be an arguement made that she would have the votes against either to win it all.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:09 pm
What many viewers don't seem to be able to understand and accept is that BB can influence the HGs but ultimately they can not force the HGs to do what they don't want to do vote wise. Do you think that BB wanted Kaysar (one of the two most popular players at the time and just voted back into the house by a huge margin of popular support) eliminated? They must have done everything short of threatening Jennifer to prevent her from nominating him and totally ruining that year's big twist. Do you think BB wanted a Boogie and Erica final two when they could have had the greatest final two in possibly the history of the show? Will, the ultimate witty and strategic player vs. Janelle the great competition winner and on top of that a budding possible romance! Not likely if BB could have done something about it. Those players voted the way they wanted to regardless of BB's interference. The same thing will happen tonight. If the players are influenced it is because they were willing to be influenced. It is the player's decision what influences his or her vote.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:12 pm
Jim, if BB had wanted Kaysar to stay, they would have given him immunity from eviction the first week he was back and not forced him to play HOH. That was their big mistake.
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Amac
Member
09-07-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:35 pm
Jimmer, thanks for the clarification. Do you consider "Big Brother" to be a game show as well as a reality show? If yes, does it fall under broadcast standards for televised game shows?
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Ambi
Member
08-11-2007
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:40 pm
It is a reality show and does not fall under game show standards.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:40 pm
And yet.. it WAS Kaysar who took his finger off the button, because Jenny begged and worse because Rachel whined that she wanted out of that box and she couldn't leave until someone won.. his own ally played into Jenny's win. But I don't doubt that producers tried to save him or to convince Jenny not to nominate him. === The current situation has so many elements. Dustin isn't liked much and isn't trusted much.. sure he got a great deal of pleasure out of promising he would vote to keep Kail and then could throw it in Dick's face and yeah, he "saved" Eric but only after he put Eric through an ordeal by agreeing to a deal with D/D and to vote. So Eric knows he cannot trust Dustin. Dustin claims he is there to get over being arrogant but then he offers himself as a pawn.. arrogant to the max. He wants drama, but it may play out differently than he hoped. Eric has to deal with the AP situation and it almost caused him to be ousted last week. No matter what he says about Dick and Daniele, HE knows that they were correct about the two votes and about the mustard. This week he can mask AP with a "bold move". This may well be one of those turning points Eric talks about. And if Dustin leaves, it weakens the Amber/Jameka strength too and no one wants to sit with Jameka at F2 (well maybe Nick intended to get her to F2, but that didn't save him). Frankly, not a single HG in there wants her at F2. She foolishly gave away her HOH comps. Anyone should want to take Dick to F2. Eric certainly knows this. Marcellas said it today on Reality Remix.. they need to keep Dick in the house. They need to keep anyone else they think they can beat in the house and start sending home others, breaking up blocs. D/D J/E (twice, since he has Jess and he has Jen) Dustin/Amber/Jameka, larger bloc, women's alliance, larger bloc. Zach's desired Dude Alliance, not gonna happen. IF (and it is completely unlikely) J/E/D/D were to reach F4, Dick should most want Jess out and if he wants to win, so should Eric, but he'd arget Dani, also a good move. At F3, any one of them SHOULD want to take Dick to F2.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:46 pm
Jimmer, ITA. If they wanted the most popular player to win, they would have done something about last year's final endurance when it seemed like Janelle didn't hear Julie about keeping both hands on whatever they were holding onto. She clearly stated she didn't hear she had to keep both hands on and was confused when they said she was out. Two years in a row Janelle was the fan favorite. I think if they had all the power to manipulate the game, they would have done a "re-do" on that endurance comp or done things to get Janelle not to evict Will. How many of us wanted to watch the Boogie & Erica show at the end? Not too many that I recall. FWIW
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Ambi
Member
08-11-2007
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:47 pm
My thoughts about Jessica exactly Seamonkey. What I keep asking on the board is why is she untouchable and why can't the rest see she has to go before F4? Nobody seems to want to answer me.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:48 pm
Very good analysis, Sea. I agree with your thinking on this.
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