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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 6:26 am
What is so commendable about calling a person the C word to their face, or saying how you'd like to insert objects in them until they bleed? How is this better than saying it behind their backs? Thank you, I don't need that kind of filth spewed to my face. The kind of person who would verbally abuse me like that is someone whose opinions mean nothing to me. So, go say it behind my back and leave me in peace.
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WoodpeckeŽ
Member
07-16-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 6:31 am
And Amber's mother isn't exactly in the house to defend herself, either. You definitely can't have children around in your house when you watch the Feeds this season. It's verbal porn.
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Streetsmart
Member
08-06-2006
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 6:31 am
Nothing that anyone in the house has said could compare to the things Dick has said. He made a racial remark to Jameka calling her "Ghetto", He insulted Homosexuality, He insulted Ambers 8 year old daughter and is trying to get Amber fired from Ceasers Palace which affects her REAL LIFE, and insulted Christianity. He talks about making Jen and Amber "Bleed"???? WOW He isnt only insulting the people in the house he is insulting people outside as well and its greatly offensive to me as a Black Christian. Perhaps BB has told him to stop. I'll enjoy the season once he is gone
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 6:54 am
Could Dick's behavior have been stopped? He modifies his behavior somewhat when Dani asks him to stop, or when BB tells him enough and warns him. He stopped his rants on Jen when he needed her for a vote. As long as the behavior serves his purposes and there are no consequences, he will continue.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 7:08 am
Exactly Woody. Every single HG in there is responsible for their own behavior, Good or bad. Just because I want Dustin out with a vengeance. Does not mean I am in any way defending or condoning Dicks actions. It get exhausting to try and point that out. Nor am I trying to hurt Eric's game. I just have my opinion prioritized in a certain order. Dustin first due to his racist remark involving AA women. That offends me on a personal level. Then Amber for her racist remarks against Jewish people and crying. I have wanted her out for a long time over the crying. The Jewish remarks just sealed my opinion of her. Then it is both Eric and Dick. You can put them both in a bag and shake it. I don't care which one falls out first as long as they both do. Then I will be happy with any other HG's taking the win. Just because Dick isn't first on my list does not make me Jerry Springer viewer nor does it mean I condone verbal abuse of young woman. All it means is I have a different view point and reasons then someone else.
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Streetsmart
Member
08-06-2006
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 7:10 am
Well put Billoxi
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 7:11 am
Very good post, Biloxibelle. 
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WoodpeckeŽ
Member
07-16-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 7:16 am
Yes, Biloxi. I agree. And I also don't see overwhelming support for any of the players on BB 8. Not a love fest at all.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 7:18 am
Loved it Biloxi...just put you in the "favorite quotes" thread.
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Streetsmart
Member
08-06-2006
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 7:25 am
Im glad to see that Biloxi isnt blind to what Dick is doing in the house just because she likes Dick. Its refreshing to hear someone say "I like Dick however..." and tells the truth about the situation. You won a ton of respect points in my eyes.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 8:20 am
I think it's difficult, if not impossible, to force someone to respect you--some people only stop bullying out of fear of punishment, not empathy or having a conscience about what they are doing. What is Dick's punishment? A month-long sequester vacation. It's all a joke to him. Dick doesn't really care about anything but himself, his daughter, and his highly-prized ability to make other people feel like dogshit. For me, it's simple--I would not want Dick talking to me like that, so I don't like to see him talking to other people in the same way. I just don't get defending his actions at all unless you yourself would willingly stand there and be the brunt of it. I'm just not that kind of masochist so I can't support what he does.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 8:29 am
When I spoke about the abusive dynamic, I'm talking about this... Dick starts ranting and raving. There is NO WAY to address anything in a rational manner at that point, because there is nothing rational behind it. Everyone else scatters out of the way, hoping not to be a target. Then the anger goes away and Dick announces to Dustin that they can come out, that he is "done". As if his actions have been justified and they now all have been suitably punished. There is no discussion, there are no apologies there is just this hope on the part of the others that it is now done. They try to resume normal life, but the threat of another explosion is always hanging over them. The helplessness is overwhelming because to talk about the behavior when all is calm is considered provocation and will start another explosion. To address it while it is occurring is impossible due to its irrational nature. I can tell you from personal and professional experience, this kind of abuse is damaging, physically and mentally. The body is not prepared to live for an extended time in this constant state of arousal, waiting for the next shoe to drop. In this house, where you can't get away from it, it has to be even more intensified. Add this to the fact that they are already in a heightened state due to the game they are playing and the toll is extreme. Kail's comments about having been abused in the house are being ignored as the ravings of a woman who lost a game. But there is no way that anyone who ever watched BB could be prepared for this type of mental abuse. It's never occurred before and, hopefully, it will never occur again.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 8:42 am
Why would Dick's behavior be stopped? BB is watching. Nothing bad has happened. Why shouldn't Eric's behavior be stopped? What about the truly vile things he's said about Dick and Daniele? Why shouldn't Amber's behavior be stopped. Her hands are certainly not clean. Is it because they sneak around behind people's backs? Again, why should Dick's behavior be stopped? GO DICK! Stir up as much stuff as you want!!!
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Streetsmart
Member
08-06-2006
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 8:48 am
Dicks behavior needs to be stopped because its ABUSIVE. Talking behid peoples backs happens. It happens to me you and everyone. However clear and abusive behavior should never be allowed or tolerated.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:08 am
Hermione69 Member Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 7:11 am Very good post, Biloxibelle. Thanks Hermi, 2 good nights sleep in a row has me a cookin. WoodpeckeŽ Member Yes, Biloxi. I agree. And I also don't see overwhelming support for any of the players on BB 8. Not a love fest at all. Yeah, that makes me sad this year. BB really missed the mark on giving me a player I could really root for. Streetsmart Member Im glad to see that Biloxi isnt blind to what Dick is doing in the house just because she likes Dick. Its refreshing to hear someone say "I like Dick however..." and tells the truth about the situation. No I'm not blind. I am not also going to sit here and excuse his behavior or justify it. That is for him to have to do, if he wants to or can. You're right I do like Dick. I also think he has taken the game to a level I don't like. Hmmm maybe I should sleep on that thought tonight. Boberg Member Loved it Biloxi...just put you in the "favorite quotes" thread.

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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:16 am
IMHO, the sexual nature of Dick's attack is what leads to Eric's comments. The fact that Dick would talk about a woman his daughter's age in such a manner IN FRONT of his daughter indicates a lack of boundaries. Eric's comments are crude, unjustified and obnoxious, but given the sexual nature of Dick's attacks on others, i.e. threatening to anally rape Dustin and Eric in sequester, they are not really out of bounds, since there appears to be no real boundaries.
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Onlymytulips
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:36 am
Could Dick's behavior be stopped? Er, well...YES. If it is legal per the BB rule book. I would classify my idea as intervention. (Yes, that what this would be, heheheh) You take two sheets, rip them in half longwise. Find a good stable chair and jam the legs deep into the ?sod? in the middle of the backyard. Gather up a clean washcloth, hopefully someone has a nightie time blindfold, if not opted for a long sleeve shirt (the arms of the shirt would be tied to the back of his head). If there is a way to gather some candles, that would be great. Get Zach, and Dustin to grab one leg each. Jen and Jameka can take on his arms....that is after he is gagged with the wash cloth and blindfolded. Well, you probably have figured out the rest of this scenrio yourself. After they bound him to the chair, and the light the circle of candles...they join hands and sing "happy songs" and Jameka can resite verses such as; A faithful friend is a source of strength; whoever finds one has found a treasure. (Wisdom of Sirach 6:14) and Jessica can resite quotes from Dr. Joyce Brothers, such as: The best proof of love is trust. Honestly ,I think even 24 hours of this strict intervention process would not be enough...there may be reason to give him a nice buzz haircut, remove the black fingernail polish, remove the piercings, dress him in bright cheerful colored long sleeve shirts (to cover the tatoos) and call him Richard from then on. I am betting that after the first minutes of detest, Dani would join right in.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:48 am
Now that would be funny and harmless Onlymytulips. Probably work too! Hey they have picked people up and put then in the pool...why not in a chair. Thanks for the great laugh and vision!
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Mr_furd
Member
08-01-2007
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:56 am
>Get Zach, and Dustin to grab one leg each. Jen and Jameka can take on his arms....that is after he is gagged with the wash cloth and blindfolded......there may be reason to give him a nice buzz haircut, remove the black fingernail polish, remove the piercings > Good ole physical abuse..gotta love it...guess it would be uncalled for to just pour tea on his head or bang a pot lid for a couple of minutes.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:02 am
ROFL, Only. Sounds like a plan. I don't understand why they haven't ALL stood up to Dick as a group and talked right over him every time he goes off on a rant. If he's so fond of the 'in your face' style of living, the other houseguests should embrace it as well and show him how it feels to be on the receiving end.
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Onlymytulips
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:04 am
Not, <Good ole physical abuse>...intervention!!! Totally different. Abuse is hurtful, intervention is for the good of all!
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:09 am
Every season we get this division between watchers trying to justify their favorites behavior. As entertainment watchers, we have become accustomed to the "good guy" always being good. He never says or does anything to hurt innocent people. The bad guy is all bad. He has no redeeming qualities and we can comfortably hate him and cheer his comuppance with no guilt. It becomes a little harder when we have the anti hero added to the mix. The bad guy with good qualities that becomes redeemed in the end, the wh*re with the heart of gold type of thing. Then we throw in the good guy who does bad things. That becomes a little harder and we struggle with the desire to cheer for him while at the same time knowing he has to pay for his bad deeds. Now we come to the reality show phonomena. These are real people who are put into an artificial setting like a movie, but they are not given any lines to say. So we get peeks into their real beliefs and characters. Sometimes the people we like, say and do things that we do not approve of. Sometimes we recognize those things are justified by the game, like the lying, plotting, and betraying. Those are things, while abhorrant in real life are OK in the paramenters of the game. But then we see them do things that clearly go beyond the context of the game. The kinds of things we have seen Eric and Dustin say, and the kind of behavior Dick has exhibited. We see an obviously devout Christian exhibit less than Christian behavior, and a woman who makes racial comments more I believe through ignorance than viciousness. They make us umcomfortable so we look for ways to excuse it. We may claim it is game strategy, we may excuse it on the grounds that another "character" is worse. But it all boils down to an attempt to reconcile our like of someone with the actions we do not like. I think we need to look at these people like we look at the people we know in real life. Can any of you say that you do not have friends and family who sometimes do and say things that make you cringe. I had a beloved grandfather who was an obvious racist. In all other aspects of life he was a wonderful person, and stangely would go out of his way to help anyone, even members of the race he put down. I always put it down to the enviroment in which he was raised and could not escape from. Not an excuse, but an explanation. There is sometimes a difference. We need to step back and realize that it is OK to like a character and deplore his behavior at the same time. I like Eric. His specch patterns sometimes drive me crazy. But he is warm, friendly, and funny. But I cringe at his remarks about Dick and Dani. I like Jameka and do not persume to judge her on how she should act as a Christian. That is between her and God. As the old country and western song said, "Me and the Good Lord, gonna have us a long talk tonight." I could like Dick. I think he is an intelligent person, with an interesting life who can be a very nice person when he wants to be. I dispise the abusive side of his nature. I think he went way beyonds the boundries of the game, with his sexually explicit language. And if BB encouraged him in this behavior, shame on them. BB is a great show that has survived seven seasons without that kind of behavior, and if it can't then it is time to let it die. I do not agree with those who feel it is better to have something said to your face because you can defend yourself. Not with someone like Dick. Dick does not give you a chance to defend yourself. He just overpowers you, or twists your own words against you. And if you do make a point, he just screams you are a liar and full os sh*t. How is that giving you a chance to defend yourself. I do not defend Eric and Dustin. There is no defense possible for their words. They were deplorable and unnecessary and reflect very badly on them. Just as there is no defense possible for Dicks' actions. Like who you want to, but don't blind yourself to the truth. I like Eric and Dustin in spite of their actions, not because of them. If you like Dick, it should be in spite of his actions not because of them.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:13 am
Cricket, the problem is that they don't have the energy and rage to do that. I've said before, your first instinct when someone starts expressing that much anger is to get out of the way. It's a protective instinct. You don't want to provoke the attack. They all know cognitively that Dick will be stopped before he can really harm them, but their gut still says to get away, it's dangerous. Flight or fight takes over and we're mostly programmed for flight to dominate. What's more, if 1 person is confronting, there is an instinct NOT to pile on to make the situation more volatile. Add to the fact that Dick tends to attack individually or in small groups, and to intervene one must CHOSE to enter the volatile situation. It's not an easy thing to overcome basic survival instincts.
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Onlymytulips
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:15 am
Allietex...so are you saying that Dick's behavior could not be stopped?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:18 am
That is a wonderful analysis Allietex. It's all too true that we are used to simple characters that generally exhibit largely positive or bad behavior. Real people are complex beings with a whole mixture of good and bad.
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