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Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Cokegirl: I'm not talking about who is going after whom in the game. That's important to the game overall but irrelevant to my discussion of Eric and his knowledge of his special circumstances in the game.

I'm pointing out that each week Eric keeps having to vote for the person his alliance wants out. So each week he continues to betray that alliance and, yes, he has no choice in that part but he does/did have the choice to put himself in a different position or not to 100% commit to an evictee before he knew how he'd be force to vote. It's in his best interest to set himself up so that he wouldn't be completely outed if everyone figured out his vote and/or so he'd be better aligned with how America seems to be voting each week so he wouldn't keep having this issue of having to find a way to cover his arse.

Not agreeing with America one week is fine. Heck, not agreeing with America ever is fine too but, if your goal is to get yourself to the finish line, who cares if you personally agree with America? That's a factor he agreed to deal with so I don't get why he isn't trying to adjust his game to it rather than continually force a square peg into a round hole.

Mssas
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08-04-2006

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
Eric should trust America because America sees all. If you don't have the live feeds you wouldn't understand what we are talking about. JMHO

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Mssas lol on "trust america"....if the majority of the viewer at times doesn't trust him, why should he comply?

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
Thank you Raen.

Mrsmel
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07-04-2007

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mrsmel a private message Print Post    
America sees that he is first out of the 5. Why does he refuse to get the hint?

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Dick of all people actually said it perfectly to himself tonight, which I hope people will really consider,

Dick said:

"How can it be for the guy (Eric) to possible vote to keep a guy in this week (Dick), who last week voted to evict him, and then this week, vote to evict a guy who saved him last week (Dustin".

That folks is exactly the point, even an inside person in the house, knows its ridiculous. That is why I strongly believe it was a mistake to push him to evict Dustin, the very same person who's vote saved Eric last week.

We as viewers need to use common sense, and again, put ourselves in Eric's shoes and not take the statements on commercials which say, "Eric is "working" for YOU America"......so literally.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
America wants Dustin evicted, but the house wants Dick evicted (for good reason I might add). What exactly is Eric supposed to do if he cannot get others to agree?

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
Eric is AMERICA'S PLAYER, he needs to play by OUR strategy NOT HIS. He was not cast to play his game, he was cast to play what the majority of AMERICA wants period!

He shouldn't be so diehard in his strategy until he knows how America is leaning. He wants America to help him play HIS game instead of him playing OURS.

He certainly could have pushed Jess harder and he wouldn't even need Jess if he went to Jen and Zach. Ughhh I am so over him. This AP twist is a farce he is not playing for us at all. Obvious by his half hearted attempt to save Nick and Dick.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Frogchick, but thats what I don't understand when you say that, because he is MY PLAYER, too, and I have absolutely no problem with the way he is playing, and I'm very proud of him for trying so hard. Some one posted earlier today, it wasn't America voting majority, it was a minority of people who chose to use software VoteBots to flood the votes. That is not fair.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Klaw: I'd agree with you except that Eric had the chance to change things when Jess came to him with the possibility of a deal with D/D. So, he does have some room to work with there.

I don't know who America chose this week so I'll wait to make an opinion about what Eric is doing right now. Maybe he didn't use that opening to get Jessica to vote Dick out because Dick was the name on the card. I dunno. But, if Dustin was the name on the card, then you can't say he didn't have an opportunity to try and get himself back on track with what America wanted.

It's still his choice but I won't feel sorry for him when next week he's once again stuck in this position because he absolutely refuses to adjust his gameplay to the things that are affecting it.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
There is a POSSIBILITY that the results are actually the wishes of the majority of voters.

Vote-boting may or may not be in use. We know there are bots out there, but do those results get kicked out? Just because you can keep clicking away on the vote site doesn't mean the server doesn't recognize IP addresses and kick out the over-10 votes. Just because it keeps saying thanks for your vote does not mean those actually count.

The ones that know aren't telling. Conspiracy theories abound.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Bic I guess part of the "mystery" is that BB doesn't release how many people actually voted and how the votes are spread. For all we know, this week vote to push to evict Dustin could have been just by one vote more over Dick.
That is whats creating the confusion, is we don't know the numbers nor the spread.

Bbpeach
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
Fair or not, that's the only system they have to determine the majority.

I totally agree with all those saying that Eric needs to change his strategy. The only thing Eric knows is that his vote is not his. Why continue to make promises he can't keep? It is easier for one person (Eric) to change then try to convince the majority of voters that they are wrong.

His stubborness is what is getting him into trouble. If he thinks he is being handed lemons, why not try to make lemonade?? What he's doing isn't working for him, why not try it America's way....

Ecoop
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ecoop a private message Print Post    
America's vote was used to screw Eric and BB, pure and simple. There was no thought of forcing Jessica to play her own game or to see if she could. This is the first I've heard of such an approach.

Eric cannot simply play for us 3 times a week when he gets a task. He's in the house 24/7 and, as we've seen over the last couple of weeks, circumstances change constantly. We are NOT guiding him in his day-to-day or hour-to-hour play; it's impossible. He has to react to what's happening at the moment. If he only performs one ridiculously silly task each week, presses to have someone nominated, campaigns to get someone evicted, and then just steps away from the game because we haven't directed him to do anything else, he probably wouldn't even still be there. He has to build relationships so he can have a change to successfully argue/persuade to have someone nominated or evicted. And, in building those relationships, he has to do what's best at the time. Then of course, "we" don't like the people he chooses to build relationships with and try to screw him. A no-win situation.

I'm tired of the argument that Eric has betrayed us. He's given his best effort, I believe, given the circumstances. The ONLY time he's not done what the majority of voters asked is campaigning to get Kail out instead of Nick (when it made absolutely no sense), but we continue to make it more and more difficult for him to succeed. He ought to just flip his finger at us and BB and play his own game, what's left of it.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Exactly, Bbpeach! Now why didn't I think of the lemons/lemonade analogy?!

Ecoop
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ecoop a private message Print Post    
Eric could change his ways and shift to a D/D alliance with Jess, but I suspect voters will then vote so that he'd still have to do things that go against his own best interests in the game. I see a "screw BB" mentality happening here and whatever will sabotage this twist is what many will continue to vote for.

Govols
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
His way got him on the hot seat last week. How can people keep defending his play rather than America's play. He derailed on the Nick thing. What "HE" wanted. Not us.
Eric is way too talented in speaking to not be able to talk his group into anything. He already does it!
He isn't doing his job!

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
That's possible, Ecoop, but you don't know it for sure and neither does Eric. Like I said, he has to weigh his options and choose accordingly but I think he had the option to work with America's desires more than he has and it probably would have made the game a little easier for him.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
I am so confused. Earlier I watched Jess/Eric come to the decision to take Dick out...that was maybe an hour ago.

Now Eric is talking to Dani again about being in the final four together (Dani/Dick/Eric/Jess).

WTF? Why is he double talking? We are pretty sure his vote will be to save Dick, but why is he once again lying to Jess?

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
When Eric was introduced as America's Player, Julie asked the viewers: "Will you be able to lead Eric to the end of the game and the ½ million dollar grand prize?"

If nothing else, it is at least clear that BB/CBS gave us an opportunity to play the game through Eric.

If you were actually in the house playing the game, would you want to be in the F4 with father/daughter and daughter's "BFF"? I know I wouldn't. I would be very surprised if anyone actually believed Kail was a bigger threat than Nick. JMO.

Now America is trying to get Eric to evict Dustin (the very person who saved his butt last week) over Dick (the very person who tried to get him evicted last week). Again, if you were in the house, would you actually want to keep an ally over your biggest threat? I wouldn't.

IMHO, Eric is being used to protect the viewer's favorite and eliminate the most annoying. He is supposed to be our "player," not our producer trying to keep the show more interesting for the viewers. Again, I would be very surprised if anyone really believed this is what Eric agreed to when he accepted his role. JMO.

I really believe BB/CBS made a terrible mistake with this twist and Eric is the one paying for it. Could you imagine being in that stressful environment knowing America cannot stand you? Most of the houseguests do not find out whether they are liked or disliked until they get out of the house. I cannot help but feel sorry for him, no matter what he has said or done to offend me.

ETA: If Eric manages to save Dick this week, I really hope he will redeem himself with the viwers.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
WTF? Why is he double talking? We are pretty sure his vote will be to save Dick, but why is he once again lying to Jess?

Maybe the DR told him to keep us guessing until tomorrow's show...lol.

Caramella
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07-20-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caramella a private message Print Post    
This game has really become a joke this season. I really hate they brought this America's Player thing into effect, because it really is hurting Eric's game more than helping it. He should be allowed to play the game just like everyone else, instead of being prompted by "America"(which is really BB making the decisions). For one they come up with the lamest tasks for him to do "sleep walk", Give Jess the silent treatment, etc. Just pointless lame tasks. I can't stand Dick and want to see him walk out the door, but it looks like the BB producers are willing to do all they can to keep this <el> in the game. So now it looks like Eric will look shady to his alliance, because "America"(aka BB) wants him to vote out Dustin. Ridiculous!

Kiersten_love
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08-03-2001

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kiersten_love a private message Print Post    
Yea but Eric wanted Dustin out regardless of Dick anyway, he wants to be the king of the women, LOL. Anyway, the way he has been going back and forth, and with Jen and Zach going back and forth too on their own, who knows what the outcome will be tomorrow night.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
Okay, my nerves are SHOT. If Eric actually follows through with this decision (at this point he has convinced Jess it is in their best interest to align with Dick and Daniele) I will officially start to have some respect for him. Not because I love Dick (although I do!) but because Eric actually stuck with a decision for the FIRST time since he's been in the house. I am so sick of wishy washy, I'm looking for some stick-to-it-iveness from somebody in the house!

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Say it isn't so! I was reading where Jessica said if a tie she will vote to evict Dick! So tell me the whole thing has NOT switched up and that Dustin is leaving? Noooooooooooo...I want Dick gone!