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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 6: Could Dick's behavior have been stopped?: Archive through August 12, 2007 users admin

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Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
Dick is wrong but Eric's incest suggestions are worse.

Mr_furd
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08-01-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mr_furd a private message Print Post    
>>Not, <Good ole physical abuse>...intervention!!!
Totally different. Abuse is hurtful, intervention is for the good of all!>>

I guess it is all in perspective...so for one person those actions are considered abuse, but for a group it is intervention? Dick's actions are not harmful to himself, so it is not like he is doing drugs, so what is the intervention, intervening?

Has anyone of the HG said anything directly to Dick concerning his behavior?...Dani has...but she is not the targer of his actions...

As I have stated before, those being attacked by Dick, all they need to do is confront him on those issues. Dustin needs to admit he lied about voting out Eric...Amber, I have no idea why he is in her face unless he is blowing the lid off of her past behavior and taking any power away from Eric using it against her. As far a Jamaka, not sure but he is pushing her buttons to see how far she will break.

Onlymytulips
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07-17-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlymytulips a private message Print Post    
They (whoever they are) that if someone is getting hurt by someone else in public, that most people will not help the victim.
Onlyhuman, what you are saying is true.

But, are they in public, since being aired on the internet/televison? Or are they in thier own secluded enviroment? With them knowing the victim change the possiblity of help?

When it comes down to Dick, he verbally attacks people then calls a truse if he needs them, and honors the truse.

I find it all entertaining...

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Allietex, that was an excellent and well thought out post.

I agree with you completely.

Onlymytulips
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07-17-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlymytulips a private message Print Post    
I got this from Websters, hope this clarifies my post for ya Mr. Furd!


inˇterˇvenˇtion 5. care provided to improve a situation


aˇbuse 2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way

Neosporen
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08-18-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Neosporen a private message Print Post    
I still do not see why all the hate for ED.. those people in the house are GROWN people.. they have options if they don't want to hear it.. yet they CHOSE to do nothing, stay in the game, etc....
if Ed's behavior was really abusive as some suggest, BB would remove him.. but in all reality it isn't abusive in the least...

A perosn that really verbally abuses does it to tear someone down , Ed rants to make them miserable or to rattle them before a comp. He isn't doing it to tear them down for life, he uses rants as a game tactic that BB finds perfectly accetible...
With the exception of ONE word that people seem to find oh so shocking, Ed has not said anythign that those people have not heard thousands of times in there life...

Also Ed has NOT said anythign BAD about Ambers daughter.. he has said she is probably embarrassed watching AMBER...Biiiig difference...
He hasn't insulted Christians,...he's said Jameka makes Christians look bad..there is also a big diffrence there... and as for Dustin.. and insulting gays... he never said anythign about gays...he calls Dustin Princess , cause he ran around wearing a Cape and Crown...I mean seriously.... people want to say this , that or the other, but when you look atr what ED ACtually said instead of assuming, you'll see his comments are Houseguest specific and not thrown at groups...

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Only, yes, I think only BB could have stopped it. As someone earlier said of their own experience that while the rant is going on you can't discuss it because you can't reason with someone who is unreasonable, so you just endure the tirade and are thankful when it is over.

After it is over, you don't bring it up because that will just provoke another tirade. It is the classic reaction to abusive behavior. Talk to any counselour of battered women and they will describe exactly what we have seen.

And talk to battered children and they will describe the instinct to stay out of the way if you are not the victim. Maybe not admirable, but understandable.

Throw a bunch of people who don't expect it into this kind os setting and it is not surprising that they did not know how to react. These are not people who are accustomed to having to confront this kind of thing, especially in such a place.

Cmist
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09-20-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cmist a private message Print Post    
If anyone watching this internet feed of BB is easily offended "on a personal level" you really need to cancel your feeds because there isn't a person alive that could say they were't included among the sex, race, or some other demographic that has been insulted by at least one of the BB cast members. If there is some slight possiblity I'm sure they will get to it before the season is over. If your that sensative stick to the regular tv program and keep your head buried in the sand.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Too true, Cmist. I know I'm incredibly insulted when they talk about 50-year-olds like it's SOOOOO old. lol

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Nyc, so we are back to who's behavior is worse? Why do we even care which is worse. Can't we just agree that they are both deplorable? This is not a contest to see who can be the worst behaved.

And how do you measure such behavior? Is there a scale that lists unacceptable behavior? I imagine in this case a person's life experiences might influence what they think is worse.

I hate the incest talk because it affects their life outside the house. It was cruel, heartless, and just wrong.

But try talking to a vicim of verbal abuse and see which they would rather endure, talk behind their back or one of Dick's tirades.

As a person who spent years in a verbally abusive marriage, I can tell you, it is horrible. You live in constant fear of provoking the abuser into another tirade. You will do almost anything to avoid it.

I would much rather many times over, that someone talk about me behind my back than endure the kind of abuse that Dick heaped on his victims. And they were vicitms. I hate that people are downplaying the seriousness of his actions. But that is just me.

Cmist
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09-20-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cmist a private message Print Post    
The easy fix is to turn it off.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Cmist
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If anyone watching this internet feed of BB is easily offended "on a personal level" you really need to cancel your feeds because there isn't a person alive that could say they were't included among the sex, race, or some other demographic that has been insulted by at least one of the BB cast members. If there is some slight possiblity I'm sure they will get to it before the season is over. If your that sensative stick to the regular tv program and keep your head buried in the sand.


CMist I am assuming you post is directed at me, since you quoted my "on a personal level". Just so you know, I can assure you I am not easily offended. Nor will I be canceling my feeds and watching regular TV shows. My head is not now nor has it ever been buried in the sand. I do not live a Pollyanna life.

I explained my reasoning and I feel I did it in a respectful manner.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
One difference I see in the reactions to the behavior in the house is that most people deplore Justin's and Eric's comments, even the people who like them. I have seen people try to find explanations for it, but I have not seen even one post encouraging it or saying it is amusing or that they find it entertaining. Or saying Go Eric, say it some more!

I have not seen even one post that says Amber's racial remarks are cool or right on. No one stands up and cheers.

And people say the othes should have stood up to Dick if they did not like his actions, and yet the one person who did has been vilified as a hypocrite because she uttered a few unchristian like sentences in the heat of anger. More people have bashed her than cheered her. Her character and beliefs have been torn down probably beyond repair.

But people acutally find Dick's behavior funny, entertaining, and justified. He is given the hero treatment for verbally abusing others. I am sorry, I just do not get it.

And I don't find it personally offensive, because it is not happening to me, but I find it disgusting because I see it happening to others.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
That was a joke, what I posted up there. ^
It was meant to be funny.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Turning the feeds off is not going to solve the problem for the people in the house. The point of an earlier post was that we have become so hardened to the fact that the things we usually see on TV are not real, that we sometimes forget these are real people.

Funny, the same people who tell us if we are easily offended by Dick and just to turn it off, are the same people who are highly offended by Eric and Dustin's comment. Perhaps the same could be said about them.

Personally I do not think so. That is sticking our heads in the sand. Discussing situations we view as wrong is much more productive that just turning it off.

Jucylucy
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08-23-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jucylucy a private message Print Post    
I remember when Scott, from season 2, yelled at everyone and slid a chair across the floor while yelling was removed immediately.

Dicks attacks and rants have gone way beyond Scott's, imo, and Dick has been allowed to continue time after time.

Even Howie's ranting on April was stopped by BB after asking him to tone it down and stop. Even though Howie yelled, I dont believe any houseguest felt scared of him.

The difference is Dick is part of the twist and is given way more warnings and leeway. Dick IS scary when he gets right up in their face yelling and turning each attack into personal attacks. The HG's that arent being yelled at during one of his attacks are even reduced to trembling and running away from him.

I believe BB is setting themselves up for this behavior to be acceptable for years to come. It will destroy the show in the long run. I love BB but will no longer enjoy it if it becomes the Jerry Springer of reality TV.

Allietex, ITA.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Bee, I get you joke. If they had more of us "olders" on there, we would have better shows.

Mr_furd
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08-01-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mr_furd a private message Print Post    
>I got this from Websters, hope this clarifies my post for ya Mr. Furd!
inˇterˇvenˇtion 5. care provided to improve a situation
aˇbuse 2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way>

Thanks for the info..however, how is gagging someone, blindfoldling them, and holding them agaist their will...not injurious or offensive..

And again, it is a matter of perspective,

Bastable
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07-09-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bastable a private message Print Post    
Jucylucy-- Scott was kicked out because when BB told him to go to the DR, he refused and said they'd have to come and get him. Don't forget, Scott was part of a twist, too.

Cmist
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09-20-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cmist a private message Print Post    
I'm right there with you Bee. Bilox I didn't mean to single anyone out but did pick up the expression from the board. I was commenting in a general way. I actually agree with you about the actions that go on in BB. I am however able to realize that its not reality or real life. I also realize that they are locked away from society at large and that is a whole dynamic that most of us have no real understanding of. I actually liken it to being placed in a mental hospital. Add to that the constant diary room molding to make them do what they want them to do. I try to watch it as objectively as possible. Much of what happens is most definately very difficult for them to endure but bottom line they all signed up willingly and were told what the rules were and if it gets to be too much they always have the right to leave. I am sure that BB actually likes for the fans to get all emotionally involved because of the nasty behavior because it brings in more viewers, phone votes, and in the end they will all leave the show and have a lovefest at the wrap party.

Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
Alli- Are you forgetting that D/D will see the incest remarks after the show? Worse still is that the other HG's laughed so they must have thought the concept of Dani being pregnant by the fall by her own father funny because they all laughed. Nobody told Eric it was beyond wrong.

Jucylucy
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08-23-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jucylucy a private message Print Post    
Actually the incest remarks started after Jessica said how uncomfortable that Dick made her feel. She said how can he say things like that to her, when his own daughter was there and the same age as her. The comments about Jessica's body brought out Dick's preferences and it went on from there. Dick was inappropriate first.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Interesting, Jucylucy. I was creeped out by how much Dick liked Jess, but didn't want to get into on the board, because everyone would dismiss it and think it was because I don't like Dick's personality. Dick really needs to grow up. He'll never get 20 year olds again. How he talks in front of these young gals (his daughter and Jess) is deplorable. He crossed the line many, many times.

Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
Being inappropriate and suugessting incest are two differant things

WoodpeckeŽ
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07-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send WoodpeckeŽ a private message Print Post    
When Dick makes repeated sexual comments to people without any inside knowledge related to their real life experiences, it leaves him wide open to criticism and speculation. The barrage of accusations and insults by Dick forces even the most patient of the houseguests to wonder if Dick's estrangement from his daughter may have been the result of inapproprite sexual behavior. The reason for Dick and Daniele's lack of communication in recent years has never been fully revealed.