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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 6: Is Eric Obligated To Lose The Game Because He Is AP?: Archive through August 16, 2007 users admin

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Govols
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
I choose #1

THERE IS NO WAY TO SAY HE WOULD LOSE IF HE DID #1 (or 2 or 3 for that matter).

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Raen are you inferring that if we had a chance to vote last week on who to evict, while Eric was on the block, that you would have voted to evict your own player?

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Loppes: No, I'm saying that America didn't want Dick NOMINATED. America didn't tell Eric to campaign so hard against Dick. So, it is not fair to accuse America of making him a hypocrite. That's all his doing.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
..oops

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
And, for the record, I'm being very careful to say "America" here because I have not personally voted in weeks. It's the majority vote that is controlling things not any one individual here.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I agree, Raen.. I think there could have been a simpler way to satisfy both... America and his own alliance.

He may try to hide the rogue vote behind a 'lie' or shifting the blame onto someone else but sooner or later (if America keeps picking against his alliance) it will catch up with him and is 'check mate', is out.

Actually many hoped Eric could make it to Sequester just to have that final vote.

I only want mischief, I couldn't care less who goes.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Honestly, I like the AP twist. I think he should HAVE TO follow our directives, and alter his strategy to compensate for our wishes. I think that although it may HAMPER his personal game by conflicting with his personal wishes and promises, he also BENEFITS by having info about who the outside world likes and dislikes. So I think it evens itself out.

If Eric is not able to vote on his own, I think I would have told my housemates at the very beginning that I "promised myself I would not commit to vote, or tell people my votes ahead of time," or some such story. Something that takes me off the hook for when people are collecting/tallying pre-votes. Maybe this is not a problem that he saw at the beginning, hence his choice to use the conflicting votes as a medium to cast suspicion on others, but in hindsight, he could have still done that, and also refused to reveal his "vote" until after the fact. He could still lie and say he voted WITH the alliance, but at least he isn't committing either way.

I still like the AP twist, because it puts a monkey wrench into very solid alliances and really makes the game unpredictable. I think it can also eliminate potential Pagonging.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
As an alliance member, America is pretty vindictive. Eric is not some whipping boy for unfufilled wishes--he is trying to make his way towards half a million dollars and America has decided to screw with him and his tightest ally in favor of a nasty, minimally entertaining bullying HG. Bravo!

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
yes thats the sad thing about this. After 8 years we the viewers get a chance to play strategically, and then make a total mess of it. I feel very angry at times in the way the majority have voted on some things. Its not amusing and I think there are many people who truly don't realize how voting without thinking, or because one dislikes the AP that BB chose to represent us, is damaging to what those of us who are long time BB followers have lobbied so hard to get a chance at. I understand that I would have to class myself as an older viewer, but I have to say at times it really irks me, that younger voters are toying with our chance to vote. I remember clearly how hard we have fought year after year since the first BB season, with the producers, to have a say back, and I'm embarassed to see how the opportunity is being used to hate the AP, and further, jeopardize his work in the house by not making stratetic decisions to help him. We don't own him and have rights over him and I feel it should be a privilege for us to participate.
I say that because there are many early 20s people watching this year, who were barely over 12 years old when this show first began, and nothing has convinced me that they are taking our role as a viewer seriously.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Question for those who have been giving Eric a hard time because you dislike him. If Eric and Jessica line up with Dick and Daniele, will you then start voting to nominate and evict Dick? In what order will you have him get rid of his new alliance?

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I don't think America is NECESSARILY *against* Eric, but more against Dustin. Personally, from what I've seen, I think Dustin acts arrogant(ly) and so I would like Eric to act on my behalf and try to get rid of a person I dislike watching. It is NOT because I am trying to screw Eric's game up.

Now with THAT said, I think AMERICA should also figure out how THEY need to vote; should they be working WITH Eric and cooperating with his personal game, or should we be acting SOLELY in our self-interests, even if those interests conflict with Eric?

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 3:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
America was SUPPOSED to be guiding Eric towards a win....America has not done that from the start. They went against any kind of game play strategy and chose to create as much havoc as possible in the house, and ruin any chance Eric ever had to win.

So now America is upset because Eric isn't doing what he's SUPPOSED to do? If I wasn't so disappointed in the way America has played (more like screwed up) this game, I would actually find this funny.

But then, being American, I realize that as a county we've always expected everyone else to follow our interpretation of "the rules", except when it came to Americans. So its not all that surprising that America FAILED to follow the spirit of the directions given them by BB, yet still expect Eric to follow America's interpretation of their directives.

Go figure....

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 3:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Kind of seems more like a faction of America is unhappy with the way the majority of America is voting.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 3:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
I didnt see any where that it said * It's time for America to help Eric win BB* It said Eric is Americas choice, and He gets paid for every thing he manages to do. How he does it is up to him, he could do things quietly without blameing anyone else or the way he is doing it! So I think the game is his to win or loose, either way he is making a good piece of change.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 3:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Will you be able to lead Eric to the end of the game and the ½ million dollar grand prize?

This was the challenge put down by Julie on that first episode.

Guess the answer is no.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 4:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
well since America didn't elect him I suppose we can vote as we please. Just as he cand do the xtra things as he wants to or not. All but the vote, if it was someone we didnt like does that mean we Have to help him win? Suppose Maggie was in here and she was AC LOL

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 4:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Maggie, or someone like her, would never even consider accepting the AC.

Maggie thought all internet people and viewers were bottom feeders...she had distain for all the ... darn...can't remember what it was she called us...

Mama2oliviamae
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08-16-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mama2oliviamae a private message Print Post    
I think this would be the best place to post this revelation of mine (please forgive if this has already been disected).
I shot up in bed last night with this thought: Eric has NOT played any POV comps, I wonder if his ball is not even in the bag...? Is this something the producers have done...? If so, why?
Also, Eric has come close to but has not won any HOH comps. I think Eric is throwing them all because he understands that what America wants is not good for his game so instead of being put in the bad position of letting America nominate BOTH people on the block, he throws the comps.
Is anyone else with me here?

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
I doubt if Eric gets HOH that the AP vote will be for both nominees. That would be totally unfair. Eric has done well in some of the HOH competitions and it appears to me he stays in long enough when he can to get out people he feels will target him and then if he thinks he is safe, he drops out. I could see him continuing to do that.

For those that think he will go far if he does what the vote says, I have to disagree. Many are voting to farther their favorites in the game. I know Eric supposedly now has a deal with Dick and Daniele but I don't for a minute expect it to be honored by D/D and especially not Daniele. I hope I am wrong but I will be surprised if they don't stab Eric in the back. Just because some want him to work with certain peole doesn't mean those people in turn are really going to work with him.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Of course Eric has been throwing HOHs, that's been very clear. Has he really never been picked for veto? That's interesting.

Let's not kid ourselves. AC was never about providing the viewer with some influence. It was always about allowing the producers to fix the game.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Kmjm, I think you are right. The real purpose of the AP is to give producers greater control and has little or nothing to do with including the viewers.

Mama2oliviamae
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08-16-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mama2oliviamae a private message Print Post    
Kmjm & What555:
I know there is always lots of talk about producer consipiracy theories, especially last year & now this year with the whole AP thing. And IRL, I'm the first one to jump on the bandwagon but with BB, I just don't want to believe it. I think it would ruin it for me if I thought it were true.

But yes, it's true that Eric has never been picked to play Veto.

However, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in the whole HOH throwing issue.

Lastly, I think if Eric did win HOH that America (or the producers-lol) would choose BOTH nominees.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Eric's undoing was sitting in the HOH BEFORE he knew who America wanted him to vote out and pushing everyone to commit to not changing their minds about voting out Nick. He was too adamant, so when he halfheartedly brought up suggestions about how much he hated Kail, it was too little too late. Had he just waited until he got his orders, he could easily have flipped the vote to Kail and he would still be sitting pretty with the house. Also, even though he may have been one of Nick's targets, I thing Dick would have saved him, because the two of them were tight before the Nick fiasco.

Also, Eric would be the first one gone from the LNC, so taking a deal with Dick and Daniele is the only real chance he has of making it to the F2.

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
Merrysea

Those were my thoughts EXACTLY!

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
Merry had he flipped the vote to Kail, Eric might very well be sitting outside the house. Nick has said he would have targeted Eric and nominated him had he gotten HOH. He though Eric seemed shady because he never would commit to anything. I strongly doubt that Dick would have saved him. I don't see any incentive for Dick to do that really.