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Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Eric's demise started with the Nick fiasco. He blatantly ignored his role as AP and made sure his interests came first.

If only he had waited... he may have been in a better position now.

However, Eric's adrenaline is way up with this AP role, trying to do the impossible. If he fails or succeeds he will have more enemies in the house but he will be coming out smelling like a rose since in the end he will say: Sorry guys, it wasn't me who voted you out, I never cast a single vote. Don't blame me, blame America.

Then all is forgiven, all is forgotten...

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I agree What and Kmjm--totally a way to check the demographics and manipulate the game. But I'm not so naive to think that producer manipulation wouldn't happen. It does all the time.

I hope that Eric does go far and that he is rewarded for it in the end.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
It's not that Eric is obligated to lose the game, it's that the producers want D/D to win the game for their storyline. They might have made it easier on the others and told them that when they came in the house.

Lafatme
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06-23-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lafatme a private message Print Post    
at 99 cents a call i think the AP is another way for the producers to raise the prize money without having to reach into their own pockets

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
It's a case of "a bird in the hand"....Eric knew when he came in the house he had:



if he wins (1/14 chance) $500,000

if he takes 2nd (2/14 chance chance- if he's in final 2) $50,000

anything else (11/14 chance- this is just genreal-including any stipends or any prizes he might win in comps) $10,000 or less


So if he's told he can pick up $10,000-$50,000 just by doing these tasks, he probably said yes because he could make more money that way. If by chance ge got to the final 2, that would be a bonus for him.

He probably has $20,000 banked (as of 8/2, he had 7 completed per CBS...so he's probably got 9 or 10 now). So he's already made more money than anyone except the winner and 2nd place will get.

Follow the money..

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
So its not all that surprising that America FAILED to follow the spirit of the directions given them by BB, yet still expect Eric to follow America's interpretation of their directives.

America wasn't given instructions. Do you honestly believe that the majority of the people voting paid close attention to the exact words Julie said when she introduced AP?? Most of us here wouldn't know them if someone hadn't searched down a transcript of the episode and posted it.

America is merely voting to answer the question they are asked during every episode and the question is always... "America, who do YOU want Eric to ________________?" So I think America is following the spirit of the 'directions' they are given for each AP question.

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
I think they will cut Eric loose from AP at some point. If they tell the guests that goes in sequester what he's done, then it would affect his chances in a final vote. If they don't, then they're going to let him be it to the end.

Carmil
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07-17-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmil a private message Print Post    
Spunky, I believe your post is spot on.

Also, I don't think BB have any intention of Eric getting to the final 2... I think they want the viewers to have a vote in the finale.

I do believe they want him to get far enough in the game to keep the AP role alive...and in the end... at the finale, when it's announced that Eric has been America's Player all along, he will be rewarded not only with his successful accomplished tasks, but a bonus on top of that. Like the $25,000 they gave Janie last year as AC, this year they may compensate Eric for not being able to play for himself and having to make moves that hurt his own game.

BTW... I'm not an Eric fan by any means. But I think in the end, BB will make it okay by giving him a reward on top of the $$ he's getting in his AP tasks. JMHO

Kirstenk
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07-14-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kirstenk a private message Print Post    
Eric is obligated to do what BB wants him to do, just like all the other hamsters. We watch reactions from the HG's, not actions.

Neosporen
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08-18-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Neosporen a private message Print Post    
wow.....ummmm every think that America IS leadfing Eric to what they think is the best course of action??? Eric is the one that is not following Americas Subtle nudges (He should have figured out what America was telling him early on when the vote was always opposite his "groups")

I don't get the arogance of Some to Accuse voters of "Screwing" Erics game, because Amereica is not do ing what those complainers want...

In my opinion, America HAS been leading him on the course that would best benefit him (They see all), but he was determined to thumb his nose... at least untill the last 2 votes.. NOW I think he gets it...

Carmil
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07-17-2005

Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmil a private message Print Post    
Neosporen, I totally agree!! That's why I said earlier, I think the game has finally begun and the role of AP will actually be meaningful.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Having Eric vote against the group was not the best course of action. It does not matter that WE know what is really going on what matters is the house mentality at the time. They want everyone to vote as a group if you go against the group you must be up to something.

Eric saved his own bacon NO THANKS to America.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
Actually, I disagree. Asking Eric to get rid of Dustin will be good for his and Jess's game, IMO. America did him a favour -- I'm glad he took up the challenge.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I was referring to the Mike and Nick votes. The Dustin move was actually a good move but for different reasons than America had.

Malaka
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07-05-2007

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 3:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Malaka a private message Print Post    
Yes. Eric is obligated to be a member of the voting jury, not a finalist. Without Eric on the Jury we get cheated out of the ultimate vote. He is getting paid well to be AP.

As a matter of fact, I'll bet that Eric being part of the Jury is part of Eric's contract. This is one of the reasons the DR worked so hard to keep him past the last non-jury exit.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 11:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
I believe Eric's demise started the week Mike was evicted. There wouldn't have been a hinky vote issue if America would have voted along with what the HOH (Dick) and the rest of the house wanted. We all knew Mike became the target when he challenged Dick during the POV, yet America voted for Kail.

What message was Eric supposed to receive when America voted against what a majority of the houseguests wanted (Mike and Nick)?!? I am sorry but I believe America put Eric in a position that could have compromised his role as AP, whether intentional or not. I suppose Eric could have pulled a Dustin and told the group he was voting his way regardless of what Dick and the LNC wanted...lol.

Also, I believe if America had voted for a member of LNC5 instead of Kail and Jen each week, the message would have been loud and clear. Now that Eric knows America is against him working with LNC5, he is working to evict them one by one despite his own personal best interest.

I am not sure Eric is obligated to lose b/c of his role as AP, but it certainly will not be easy for him to win when America is against him.

JMO.

Bbpeach
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07-07-2005

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 12:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
What I don't understand, is how people cannot see past their dislike of Dick to see that Eric has at least as good, if not better chance now that Dustin is out of the house. Next week Dani can't play for HOH. That leaves 4 other people (5 should Jameka leave this week) vs Dick for HOH. Amber or Jen, (and I think Zach could even be talked into it) would put up D/D. Even if Dick gets it, he won't put up Eric & Jess. Had Dustin stayed, with Dani getting HOH, I'm sure she would have put up Dustin & Eric, and Eric would have been voted out.

If you look back on the history of BB, with the exception of Maggie, anyone who has made it to the final two has had to leave their "friends" behind to get there.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 12:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Bbpeach, I do not dislike Dick per se, rather the way he has chosen to play the game. For those who do not care for Dustin or Dick's strategy (me), it was a win/win situation no matter who was evicted. I was actually glad Dustin was evicted after his display in the DR...lol. However, it had to be hard for Eric to go against someone who saved his butt last week and work with someone who tried to have him evicted. Hopefully that makes sense.

What I don't understand is how people cannot see past Nick's eviction and realize that Eric really is doing his job or at least is trying to. Eric/America is just one vote and he had to go against majority two weeks in a row b/c America didn't agree with the HOH/houseguests target.

All the houseguests America specifically targeted so far have been evicted (Carol, Joe, Kail, and Dustin). Jen probably would have been too if she had not saved herself or been saved. I am shocked Eric made it this far given how many are against him. I personally think he is doing an amazing job as AP . I hope you're right and he does have a good chance now that Dustin is gone. I would love to see him in the finals!!!

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 5:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
The best move Eric made was getting Nick out.This single move helped break up the LNC two different times.It also forced other players to play.Up until that point the only people really playing were Jen,Dick and Eric.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
It also led him on the block and almost evicted.
He could have been in a much better position now if he didn't screw up with the Nick affair. If only he had waited for America's pick.

But he got lucky, or maybe Dustin and Amber got advice from the DR, who knows, he ended up staying.

He said that something will come up to force him to exit the house, unless it was just to bulls.it Dick but I think if he's on the block again and it's towards F3 BB won't save him then.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Eric is under no obligation to throw this competition.His AP status has not aided him in this game the reason he is still in the game is because of his ability to talk circles around the others. America should not even try to take credit for any of Eric's successes.Dustin leaving has helped him but Dustin staying could also have helped him ,he made lemonade out of the lemons that America served him.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Captrica I totally agree.

Every single HG that America has voted thus far to be evicted from that house is gone. Yet we still aren't happy. Eric really did work hard to get Dustin out, none of us were standing there whispering to him and telling him what to say. Just as we weren't beside him helping him to save himself the week before. But it seems we are never happy with what he does.

We, the viewers, seem just as schitzophrenic, as we feel the HGs are inside the house. I wonder if Eric had been evicted two weeks ago, if we would be sitting here, angry once again, that we have no say at all in that house.

It seems logical that love a person or not, if we were a player inside the house, we would be doing everything to save ourselves in there, to me it seems equally the same, that we should be doing everything to make sure the AP player stays in the house as our quasi-representative. I once again, can't help but wonder if he was a drop dead gorgeous handsome man,or a beautiful and loved woman like Janelle was, if we would be thinking more differently on whether to help or hinder him. We really need to get over ourselves. :-)

I don't understand us at times, LOL.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
The best move Eric made was getting Nick out.

It was actually Dustin's move that got Nick on the block and the other members of LNC + Dani and Jen that got him evicted, but it's all Eric's fault don't ya know.

America seems to forget that Dick and the LNC all decided Nick needed to go after Mike b/c they found out about the MRA (plus Dick had personal reasons for wanting him gone). Eric knew this and asked for our support to prevent another hinky vote incident. I can't say I blame him for wanting Nick out over Kail b/c he was a physical threat. Nick didn't bother trying to save himself. I just don't get all the Nick love and Eric hate, but it is what it is.

At this point, I am really hoping America doesn't put Eric in yet another hinky vote situation so he can continue working with majority. We shall see...

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Eric winning or loosing this game is totally in his hands. Yes the vote he has to give ( the one he always managed to blame on someone else) Is our decision. But the way he acts etc are all on him. The other tasks he only has to do for xtra money, And Yup I'd do them too LOL.

Bbpeach
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07-07-2005

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
I don't dislike Eric, and honestly I think he's done a more than decent job w/the AP. I do understand the frustration over the Nick vote, but to me, that's done and over with and frankly, am tired of the debate about it. He is still there, and there's still a lot of game to be played.

I just don't think it's America's plan to sabotage his game in favor of D/D. There are probably as many different strategy ideas out there as there are posters on this board. Just because one doesn't follow "your" strategy, does not make it wrong. I'm sure even those in agreement as to who to target each week, have many different reasons why.

When you think of the AP's role, why on earth would CBS fork over money to one of the players, if it wasn't meant to be hard? If America were meant to just go along w/whatever Eric preferred, then why reward him for it? The whole intent of AP is to try to keep America from griping about the outcome.

Agreed, there are some people that vote against him "just for kicks", but I think it is far from the majority. The majority I think wants to prove that after all the years of arm chair quarterbacking this game, we do know what we are talking about!! hahahahahha

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
LOL, Seattle. What's funny to me is that none of the houseguests even suspected Eric for the first hinky vote and they all came up with their own ideas. Some thought it was Daniele, while others thought it was Jen, and Amber insisted it was Nick. I would imagine it would be difficult for Eric to own up to it w/o becoming a target. I am not sure Eric would have been blamed for the hinky vote re: Nick had it not been for the banner.

Eric probably could have handled a lot of things differently, but like us, it's a new experience. He seems to be adapting better and better each week, IMO.