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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 6: Could Dick's behavior have been stopped?: Archive through August 12, 2007 users admin

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Bidasea
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08-04-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bidasea a private message Print Post    
I figured that Dick embarrassed Daniele one too many times, and she pulled away from him. I can't imagine how it must feel to have a dad who is trying to fit into your own circle of experiences and friends. Talk about Mrs. Robinson..

Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
The remarks by Eric were not about D/D's past, they were about the future.

Calimom3
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07-12-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calimom3 a private message Print Post    
If he described his perfect gal as being a young, cute, petite blonde, and his daughter IS a young, cute, petite blonde... I think I would've raised my eyebrows too... I think Eric/etc comments were said sarcastically, I doubt they actually think he WOULD do anything, sorta like when you say "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse," or "I'm so mad I could KILL someone..." nobody thinks you REALLY would do those things. I think Eric was just giving an example of how much Dick was creeping him out. I was creeped out on Showtime when Dick was outside trying to get a reaction from Jameka... He has the weirdest, intense, stare going on! I love it that she just keeps ignoring him--- it's driving him (more) crazy!

Bidasea
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08-04-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bidasea a private message Print Post    
I agree with you Cali..I think that is the worst punishment you can give him. If he can't rile you into saying/doing something to bring you down into the mud with him, his game is done.

Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
Jameka is using God and the bible as a weapon. God does not care about who wins BB I don't believe. Eric's incest remarks as well as Amber's anti simetic comments cannot be ignored if Dick's can't.

WoodpeckeŽ
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07-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send WoodpeckeŽ a private message Print Post    
"The remarks by Eric were not about D/D's past, they were about the future."

I don't think Eric was suggesting that Dick and Daniele were going to begin an incestuous relationship after they left the house.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"and as for Dustin.. and insulting gays... he never said anythign about gays...he calls Dustin Princess , cause he ran around wearing a Cape and Crown.."

You are WRONG about Dick not saying anything about gays.

He has called Dustin several hateful, anti-gay slurs that I can't even post here because they are too inflammatory and they are not allowed. They were highly insulting homophobic slurs. They were on the same level as calling a woman the c-word and threatening to rape her anally until she bleeds (which, by the way, he also said to Dustin).

No, Dick does not get a free pass for his hateful homophobic name calling and sexual threats.

Bidasea
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08-04-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bidasea a private message Print Post    
He also called Amber a ...hag which was very insulting.

Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
Wood- Eric said Dani would probably be pregnant by the fall by Dick.

WoodpeckeŽ
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07-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send WoodpeckeŽ a private message Print Post    
"Wood- Eric said Dani would probably be pregnant by thee fall by Dick."


Logically, a statement like that implies that incest would already have taken place before now.

WoodpeckeŽ
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07-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send WoodpeckeŽ a private message Print Post    
"He has called Dustin several hateful, anti-gay slurs that I can't even post here because they are too inflammatory and they are not allowed."

Obviously.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Yes, Dick's behavior in my view could have been stopped quite awhile back. I can understand the difficulty the other HGs faced in early days, to try stop him. Afterall, they were all new in the house and still trying to figure out each others personalities. Dick didn't stop his bashing with Jen, he proceeded to pick out HGs one by one afterward, until enough time passed to show he had a clear pattern of verbal abuse. I feel it was at this time the HGs realized no one will escape his scorn. They gave him a chance, but he just escalated himself in his attacks. What many of us cheered in the beginning on Dick bashing Jen, now is unacceptable. I myself feel I got "caught up in the moment", because at the time I didn't care much for Jen's personality. I had to keep reminding myself to give ALL HGs the benefit of doubt, until I had some time to see the patterns in their actions. Dick, ultimately for me, became someone not to cheer on, but someone who I feel takes out his personal demons on others around him, including his daughter. His whole bodily demeanor is evident. He constantly paces, he chain smokes, he can not sit still for very long. Regardless, of the times he's shown care for his daughter, there are more times, his actions and speech in front of her embarass me. He is not the epitomy of a father, who is willing to meet someone half way. Watching him, he rarely listen when his daughter attempts to say something to him. He can't hold himself back, he interrupts, and goes off on his own thoughts and opinions. In the meantime, it has also become clear that his daughter in many ways, has taken on some of his traits as well. That is sad. I hope for her future that she will grow and mature, unlike her father who for whatever reason, has not done so yet in his life.

Akwarlord47
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06-26-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Akwarlord47 a private message Print Post    
thank you Lopes. I agree with your assesment

Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
Outside the house it seems Amber's anti Jewish remarks are getting more press. The fact that CBS does not plan to run them hasn't stopped Jewish leaders from taking to the news media to object strongly because of the internet and possibly showtime. She has much more anger to face once she exits than Dick.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
And no, Eric and Justin's remarks were not acceptable whether or not they were meant seriously or as a joke. That is not the kind of thing you should speculate on national TV even as a joke. I pesonally doubt that Eric really believes it, he was saying it as the most hurtful thing he could say about a man he dispises, but it is unacceptable for what ever reason he said it.

But Dick also does not get a pass on what he has said. If his remarks had been made by Eric, this board would be flaming demanding his ouster. Look at the reaction to Amber's remarks which were more ignorant than milicious.

But Dick can say them with impunity. I keep reading posts that he did not say anything antigay, racial, or sexists. Excuse me?

Called Amber a and said she looked like a man. He also suggested Eric was gay several times and threatened to sodomized both Justin and Eric in the sequester house.

He told Jameka not to go all "getto" on him. He also suggested what she could do to men. We all thought he was giving Jess a pass but apparently last night he made some comment about her boobs.

The list goes on and on. Dick makes the other look like pikers when it comes to insulting individuals and groups.

It is funny that his remarks are excused because they are made to an individual and they "are true." That excuse would not fly for any other houseguest I have ever seen on BB. Anybody else would be crusified on this and every other board.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
To address the original question asked when the thread was started, I think the ways to stop Dick are minimal. If BB doesn't care if he uses these behaviors, then it rests with the other HG's.

There are a couple of options. One is to give it back in return to see if it stops him. I'm thinking it wouldn't.

Next, have everyone tell him each and every time he acts that way that it's not acceptable then all walk away from him. It might have worked, but if he doesn't care what they think at all, then it wouldn't have--especially if not done every time without exception and by everyone.

Next, and what i think the best option, is to tell him right from the start that his behaviors would get hom voted out. If he kept it up, follow through and vote him out at the first opportunity. Then it's stopped in the house.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Ny, you are right. And it is something I do not understand. Amber's remarks were wrong, but good Lord, they were more ignorant than malicious. I don't think she is a true racist, or she would not be friends with Jameka. Racists usually hate all mainorities, because they believe they are superior. Amber was repeating something she heard. If someone will just inform her that it is not true, she will probably believe it and be embarraassed about her comments.

Dick on the other hand is not ignorant. He knows exactly what he is saying. I admit he has used it as a game tactic, but he has gone way over the line.

He has been very careful to skirt the groups he does not want to insult. He steers clear of racial slurs. Because he is smart enough to know he would catch heat for it. And in his line of work, that would not be very smart.

But he obviously does not care what the gay community cares about him. He has been absolutedly vicious in that area.

And he could care less about the religious community. He obviously hates religion, he has all but said so several times.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Maybe telling Amber that anti semetic remarks and telling Eric incest remarks would not be tolorated from the beginning would have been wise also.

Chicogirl
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07-23-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chicogirl a private message Print Post    
The NH didn't seem to have a problem with it when it was directed at they didn't like. They sat and watched or even got up to go watch it happen.
It only offended them when it was their turn, then it becomes a big deal to them.
To take it out on his daughter is the lamest thing to do. I am actually disgusted with every single HG at this point.

Ecoop
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07-07-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ecoop a private message Print Post    
Someone made a suggestion in the Current Happenings thread a few days ago that HGs should all gather together and sing loudly & constantly whenever Dick starts a rant. I think that might be a good way to tackle this. Dick would no longer get the camera time and BB would have to step in if they want to continue getting footage for the show. What could BB do, give them all penalty nominations? I doubt it.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 1:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Six HGs walking into the DR on Thursday, each one saying the magic words "I vote to evict Dick" will stop Dick's abusive behavior...at least inside the BB house.

Saguaro
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06-21-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saguaro a private message Print Post    
BB already set the precedent by letting Howie go on so long against April. They can't suddenly say it was OK for Howie to yell and berate someone, but no Dick, you can't do that. I didn't like what Howie did, but now it's part of the game, and Dick is just playing it the way it's been played.

Napa1526
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07-14-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Napa1526 a private message Print Post    
I get such a kick out of all the comments on these threads! The concensus is....if you are a Dick fan...you make excuses for him....if you are an Eric, Jameka,Amber, or Dustin fan....excuses are made for them. I personally don't think there is an excuse for any of them. Whether or not a person truely believes something they say or they just say it to be hurtful does NOT excuse the fact they said it. 2 wrongs do NOT make a right. I have watched this show since season 1 and always looked forward to it starting each summer, however, after seeing this season I have NEVER been so appalled in my life. I don't think one person is any worse than another....the majority of them are all making fools of themselves. I am as guilty as the rest of you...I have formed opinions of these people too, but the truth is we DON'T really know any of them. We see them inside a house playing a game...good or bad...this IS a game. I can only hope that outside the house NONE of them act the way they have inside.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Napa, a fair and good post.

Yowie
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07-21-2005

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yowie a private message Print Post    
Napa, totally agree with you that we all will make excuses for those we favour/like.
Watching BB this season has really made me look at how people (both us and the HG's) interpret the meanings of words...like "truth" and "lies".