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Jeannie23
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07-16-2007

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeannie23 a private message Print Post    
The first time I saw the bartender I laughed. If an older woman appeared in spandex and hair ribbons the same rule would apply. Think Sally Kirkland (aging actress)

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i happen to think Dick looks very kewl and i'm 47. i live in a town with a college for arts and design and see tons of young and older men/women that look like him all the time. being an accountant, i am seriously jealous because my job won't allow me to express myself (physical looks) like that. ::sigh::

i feel from the youtubes that i have seen that Dick is just an act, that he was 'cast' to play this part. do i like it? not particularly. yet, i don't judge him for it because it is just a game.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I just don't buy that it is all 100% an act. No one could keep that up.

Bubba
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07-29-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bubba a private message Print Post    
Hello, Dani hasn't spoken to him in two years, hmmm, I wonder why.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 6:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I just watched utube of Dick and jen.....do any of you think that maybe Jen reminds him of his X-wife(Danis mom) or someone else from his past?

it is almost like he is directing anger at Jen that is really intended for someone else.

Dedonjo
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08-20-2006

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 6:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dedonjo a private message Print Post    
Quote:"Has this Dedonjo person seen Dick outside of the house so they can determine if this is his true personality or game play?"

Earth, I don't think I've made any comments as to his personality or anything else outside of the game. My comments and opinions are about what I have observed of his behavior inside the house. Doesn't matter to me what he does outside, what he's doing inside is my issue. I have come to the point today where, in my opinion, his behavior bears little difference to whats-his-name holding that knife to Krista's throat - 'in jest'.

My degree, by the way, is in special education, and includes ongoing training in recognizing abuse and victims of abuse. I have a great deal of personal experience in this area as well, and have researched, taken classes and done counseling as well. The links I posted were from a quick internet search to find something that would somewhat cohesively state what I know, from my professional experience and training, to be true about verbal abuse. I leave it to you to decide for yourself whether or not you believe Dick's behavior falls into that category. The sites I chose were based on content and finding it quickly. There is plenty of material available online, in books, professional journals, etc., should you or anyone be interested in learning more from more professional or accredited resources.

In my personal and professional opinion, his behavior does fall into the realm of abuse, and not just barely. Jen, Kail, and Amber exhibit classic victim behaviors. And thus it follows, in my opinion, that if CBS allows it to continue within the environment they have created for these people in the house, there is something really wrong. No less than if someone was threatening these women with a knife. In my mind, it is one and the same. I understand and accept that others feel differently, this is simply my (educated) opinion. I feel strongly enough about it that it has brought me out of 7 years of lurking on these boards to continue posting about it. At best, maybe it will open somebody's eyes and help them remove themselves from, or stop, a similar situation somewhere in the world. At worst, at least there is a lively conversation among a group of people and the behavior is at least not being totally ignored and accepted by everyone as "part of the game".

This is one of the primary reasons I watch this show, I find it entertaining to observe and analyze people's behavior in this contrived situation, what they will and won't do, etc. But this behavior is beyond game play, and if I'm wrong in that, and it is acceptable behavior in any context, then there is a big problem with the game, and really with our society in general.

Again, my opinion.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 6:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
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What555456
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06-14-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
From Dedonjo...

At best, maybe it will open somebody's eyes and help them remove themselves from, or stop, a similar situation somewhere in the world.

I was thinking this same thing today, Dedonjo. I suspect (I don't know of course) that there may be some on here who are being abused. I doubt they would say anything, even indirectly, by commenting about Dick. But they no doubt have told themselves, or been told, over and over again the same excuses for their abusers we see being given here for Dick -- basically that 1) the women should act differently and this would not happen and 2) Dick is not really to blame here; he is just being who he is or maybe is just putting on an act.

As those who are abused so often do, they blame themselves for what is being done to them just as so many here blame the victims in the house for Dick's actions.

Maybe, I was thinking, just maybe one or two of these people who may be reading this might wake up, realize they are being abused, realize it not only is not their fault, but there is nothing they can do to stop it.

And maybe, just maybe, they will finally find the strength to get out and get the help and support they richly deserve.

I suppose I am being naive, but maybe there can be some good from seeing a real life abuser on TV and hearing him accused as such on this board and then listening to the standard excuses being given and hearing others say there simply is no excuse.

One final thing, Dodonjo...thank you for your professional observations. They are very helpful in helping us all understand a problem many of us may know exists, might even be able to spot, but do not really understand.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
My degree, by the way, is in special education, and includes ongoing training in recognizing abuse and victims of abuse.

Well, I have a master's degree in education and a special education credential. I also work with victims of abuse and their families. I have spent years teaching victims how to deal with their lives during and after abuse. I would never, ever, ever use this board or any other to give my opinion to a serious matter like abuse based on a reality television program, that's premis is to lie, cheat and do anything you have to do for money.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I don't like Dick, but I hestitate to label someone abusive in this context also. I remember the conversations I had about Roddy and whether he was mentally/verbally abusive to Amy and I just wouldn't make that leap. While I do believe people's true colors come through, I also realize the situation is a pressure cooker that shines spotlights on people's faults.

I have no compunctions, however, labeling his behavior as inappropriate. I have no compunctions saying he makes me uneasy and I get bad vibes about him. But "verbally abusive," I just can't go there and yes, I have been in that situation myself. I was married to an abuser for 4 years.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I really respect that we each have a right to an opinion, however, there is no way that I would compare what Dick said to Jen as being similar to holding a knife to somebody's throat.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
that's premis is to lie, cheat and do anything you have to do for money.

Actually, the premise is to make it to the end and get money. No one forces anyone to lie, cheat or scream, yell and call women horrific names. Those are acts chosen by the people playing the game.

You talk as if the BB house is some alternate universe where people are excused from the boundaries of basic human interaction. If you saw a person on the street screaming at a woman, calling her names, saying all kinds of nasty things, would you consider that acceptable? Why not? Because it is out-of-control, abusive behavior. Just because the same behavior takes place in the BB house doesn't change its acceptability. It's the same behavior taking place in a different location that's all.

By the way, I keep reading that it would be wrong of us to judge ED outside the house by his behavior inside, yet 2/3 of that horrific rant of HIS were comments on Jen outside the house, referring to her job, to her sex life, to things that really have no part in what you keep saying is a game. If he is considering all of that fair game, that I don't know why we shouldn't be able to do the same. After all, WE are a houseguest, right? Aren't we just "playing the game"?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I have a question. For all of you who find Dick's behavior so offensive, why are you continuing to watch? Why are you so invested that you continue to post your opinions here, without much discussion but a whole lot of "this is how it is"? Why are you still supporting CBS by watching the live feeds and the TV shows? If it's so offensive, why ARE you watching?

And FWIW, I am totally with Earthmother. I would never, ever, make an armchair diagnosis without meeting that person. <77> And what you see on TV -- for a reality TV show -- sorry, but that's not real evidence. I would never, ever label someone.

Remember all the hullabaloo the year that what's his name (was it George?) was labeled a "pervert"? There was absolutely no evidence whatsoever, but he was forever labeled the "perv." With no evidence, the man was slandered.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
I'm watching to see Dick get his comeuppance, if you will, to be perfectly honest with you. He has been a great villian, and I will enjoy Jen waving goodbye to him as he walks out the door!

I think that's a pretty good reason. JMHO, of course!



Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
You talk as if the BB house is some alternate universe where people are excused from the boundaries of basic human interaction.

And you think it's not?? This show is run on a different set of rules than those in your community. I seperate fantasy from reality until someone can prove to me that anything said or done in the context of the GAME are true. Yes they make a choice to lie, cheat and say really horrible things, but it is still a GAME.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Because BB8 is more than Dick. Right?

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Herminone, I'm not sure what that means. Oh I get it..Yes the game is about Dick, because he has made it about him. When and if he is evicted from the house then it will be about someone else. It is always about those who are the loudest, rudest, most obnoxious..

Lucas
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07-01-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucas a private message Print Post    
Because I love the show Costacat, Dick will not ruin that!!! When I see abuse in real life, which I have, I do not run, I try to stop it. <77>

Bubba
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07-29-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bubba a private message Print Post    
Well said Dejonjo. I agree with you.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Why do people watch sad stories on talk shows? Why do people watch sad stories on the news?

There are lots of things that people may not approve of but continue to watch. And as some people have said, Dick is only one small part of BB.

And people may be watching for the enjoyment that they will get from his eviction.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
My first impression of this guy was: TROUBLE!!!!

Then we saw how he told "to your face"... and I liked that, finally someone who stabs you in the chest and not in the back..

Then I also noticed he liked telling you up front because he's a bully... that's when het turned me off... and I believe in 'first impressions'...

Do you think when Jen leaves he will be nicer?? Who knows... but he showed his true colours already and that's enough for me.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
And you think it's not?? This show is run on a different set of rules than those in your community. I seperate fantasy from reality until someone can prove to me that anything said or done in the context of the GAME are true. Yes they make a choice to lie, cheat and say really horrible things, but it is still a GAME.

What is "fantasy" about this game? It may be a "fantasy" to you because you are watching it on a computer screen and therefore you disassociate yourself from the humanity of the situation, but these are REAL people, interacting in a REAL way. Where exactly is the "fantasy"?

If anything said or done in this game is just part of the game, then physical abuse is okay as well, since it clearly is strategical??

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"For all of you who find Dick's behavior so offensive, why are you continuing to watch?"

First, I wonder why you would think that Dick's verbally abusive behavior would have any effect at all on people's actions outside that house. His abuse is not directed at me and he holds no power over me. I'm not afraid of him and he doesn't cower me like he tries to cower Jan, Kail, and Dani.

Dick's abusive intimidation is limited to the house and the unfortunate people that are living in it with him and it doesn't extend to my home nor does it intimidate me into giving up a show that I have enjoyed for 8 years.

I am a fan of Big Brother, not Dick. Dick will get evicted sooner or later and I'll still watch BB next year, long after he has faded back into obscurity.

Oh yeah, and watching his eviction will give me great enjoyment.

Lucas
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07-01-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucas a private message Print Post    
Well said Jimmer!

I wanted to see Schindlers List, as it was a great movie, but I was upset by most of the movie and most of the action. Watching the show does not mean supporting Dick.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
SanFran, first of all, look at this thread. His behavior has a huge effect. Just look at how many people came running in here after the Dick vs Jen saga after the POV ceremony.

Secondly, please do not put words in my mouth. I said "offensive." I never said "verbally abusive." I wondered why, if you found his behavior so offensive... Totally a different thing.

FWIW, I am so totally wanting Dick to win now. I know longer care whether I like the man or not. I just want him to win the $500K.