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Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Possibly, Kidsatm, in all fairness to Eric I have to say that we did get a DR from him explaining that he wanted Nick to go. However, what Eric didn't realize was that we didn't get that DR session until we had already done our voting and, again, voting was done more based on what the viewers saw than anything else. Kail was still getting a negative edit at that point so I get why people voted for Kail and not Nick.

(And, really, Kail kept the fact that she owned several businesses a secret from the house because she was afraid they'd think she didn't need the money. If we factor in the fact that America knew the truth, it's quite possible that's another reason she got the vote over Nick.)

Ecoop
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07-07-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ecoop a private message Print Post    
Right again, Raenstorm.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Yes, Ecoop, but that's why I don't know if it's all emotional voting and not at least somewhat strategic. People could be thinking that they are looking at things strategically but the fact that they are only basing their facts on what they are shown on the TV shows could be why their strategy looks more emotional and reactionary.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I am reasonably sure that Eric specifically asked that the fans support his decision to vote Nick, before the voting took place.

People have a whole bunch of reasons for wanting America's Player to vote a certain way or work against someone. However, rightly or wrongly it has become impossible for Eric to work successfully as America's Player because some of the people are so angry at him that they are voting for him to do things that don't make any sense strategically.

As much as people don't want to accept it for what it is, BB set up America's Player to work the way it has worked. He doesn't have to do what the fans tell him to and the fans now have the right to make him miserable as a result.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
No, Jimmer, I remember it from spoiling... because they were both in the same show. Remember, Nick didn't go up on the block until the POV was used and that was at the END of the Tuesday/POV show. It was in the Thursday/eviction show that Eric saw the results of our vote. BB just chose to have fun with the editing (and hurting their AP in the eyes of America) by making Eric the one campaigning so hard against Nick (and telling us in DR why he wanted him gone) and then having him go into the AP session and find out the vote was for Kail to go.

Nana
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07-24-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nana a private message Print Post    
Because Eric is AP does that mean I have to want him to win? I have been watching him and I don’t trust him, and I tried liking him but I don’t like the way he is playing the game…So if I (one of many America votes) am in his alliance I have to vote the way he wants me to!

Well not me…I have a secret alliance with Jen and Zack….and I am using Dick and Dani to get them to the F2…LOL!


Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Are we thinking of the same DR session? The one I am referring to was a one sentence request by Eric asking the viewers to support him in voting out Nick. It was on the POV show.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Hmmm, let me go look at the spoil threads. I could have sworn that one sentence was in the show after the POV because during the POV show the editors were trying to make us think that it wasn't 100% that Nick was going to go up on the block.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Ahh, you are correct, Jimmer. I didn't realize he had asked because that was the last day I was in California and wasn't spoiling as I watched BB. I must have mixed up with the next episode because I did spoil that one and it was in there too.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Ironically, Jimmer, I believe the people who are trying to make Eric miserable are not doing themselves any favors either. Some people purposely vote against Eric and then complain that he didn't try hard enough to complete the task. It's like a never ending circle, IMO.

The flattery task is the only one I question. I am assuming BB let it slide because Eric was on the block and may have been going home, idk. Other than that, I have had no problem figuring out who AC was after Eric's DR sessions each week. In other words, I have yet to see him completely disregard a task. There is nothing in the description of AP that states how long Eric has to make his pitch or even how hard. If he chooses to waive a task in order to have a better chance at $500,000, I personally have no problem with that.

This latest task didn't make sense to me at all. Jessica is not only his closest ally, she is the current HOH. Eric has more influence with her than anyone else. I thought he was doing a great job trying to get Dustin on the block and now she has to rely on the yo-yo support of Jameka, Dustin, and Amber...lol. I really wouldn't be surprised if Dustin freaks out before noms today and Jen ends up on the block. JMO.

Gumby909
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08-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gumby909 a private message Print Post    
But that's just it - they are tasks and he has to complete it or not gain money, but I am sure he is still paid his stipend for being there. This is just bonus money for him if he completes the tasks, so it all depends on how bad he wants to work for America or for himself. Making his job easier by voting how "He" wants and not what "America" wants is absurd. Like someone said before - let's just hand him the money then, 'cause that is what it would come down to.

Sidhe
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08-09-2007

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sidhe a private message Print Post    
Can I just say? The America's Player gig is the steamiest load of loser manure. Nobody with an ounce of sense will ever again accept that challenge after watching what people did to Eric.

Eric isn't my favorite in the house (and I detest some of his remarks involving Dick and Daniele) but I would have preferred to see him play his own game instead of being subjected to this doomed, and frequently asinine, AP trajectory.

Nana
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07-24-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nana a private message Print Post    
Personally, I think that if he were playing his own game he would have been gone already… again JMO!

Gumby909
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08-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gumby909 a private message Print Post    
But that's just it - they are tasks and he has to complete it or not gain money, but I am sure he is still paid his stipend for being there. This is just bonus money for him if he completes the tasks, so it all depends on how bad he wants to work for America or for himself. Making his job easier by voting how "He" wants and not what "America" wants is absurd. Like someone said before - let's just hand him the money then, 'cause that is what it would come down to.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    

quote:

The voters are playing an emotional game rather than a strategic one.




Again, sez who? Different people in the house have different strategies, so why can't the voters also have different strategies? Your emotion might be someone else's strategy.

We had a choice of what, seven people to vote on this week? That means with only 15% of the voters could vote for a particular player and that person will be the one chosen -- leaving 85% of the people thinking they are playing strategically while everyone else is playing emotionally.

The only time we know it's a majority of voters is with the "who to vote out" vote, since we have a choice of only two at that point. Even then, just under 50% of the people could think everyone else is voting emotionally while they are the only strategic voters in America.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
We would have worked with Eric if he didn't have his own agenda. If he was there just for us we would have helped him with any hints to us, he just wants us to go along with his own agenda because he wants to win AP money and the big money... Nope, you can't have it both ways... and this is the failure of AP twist.
Again, it should have been someone neutral, when it came to the last F3 or F2 he should have asked for voluntary withdrawal in order to let America have the last vote on the winner.
Why not, since he wasn't playing for the big money anyway... Only with a neutral player AP could have worked.

Meagain
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07-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meagain a private message Print Post    
First, I'm very surprised at the Support Eric is getting here compared to other sites. I don't know if this is because many generally like the guy, or feel they owe him votes to help him simply because he's AP. I hope it's the former because the latter to me would be more akin to a herd mentality like the '5' have. I personally won't vote his way just because he's AP. But that's me.

2nd - IMO, if you think about it - those that don't vote Eric's desires are HELPING him. I.e.; the suggestion to put up Dustin, while not what he wants - is sending him a message that Dustin might be bad. Might be bad to him.

It's like a banner. Our votes are like a banner. He might think we want him to succeed and voting Dustin, etc. is telling him who he can't trust, who might be against him, who to get out to further himself..... AND - in the case of us voting Dustin - we ARE helping him for surely Dustin wants him out. AND at the same time, satisfying the desires of the many who dislike Dust/Amb/Jam.

Bbpeach
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07-07-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
Agreed Prisoner. To read some posts on here, it would seem that the only true strategy is wanting D/D out. I would prefer he work with D/D/Z/Jen & Jessica. I think there would be a lot more room to finagle a different scenario each week. And if he wants to win the money, I don't think he has much chance of beating A/Jam/Dus in a final vote, whereas he could have a chance against D/D/Z.

With the Nick vote, the other thing that I think hurt Eric, was his DRs about why he wanted Nick out. I don't recall him once ever saying that he wanted him out for a strategic reason, or that Nick was coming after him. Instead, he used the "Nick's the hot guy, and I want to be that guy, so therefore Nick has to go." I think that in and of itself, turned a lot of viewers off.

Napa1526
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07-14-2007

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Napa1526 a private message Print Post    
I agree Meagain. We see the feeds and the show and know what is going on. We could really help him if he listened and tried a little harder. Dustin will stab him in the back the first chance he gets, as will Amber and Jameka. It is already starting. Most of his tasks involving the HG's have been aimed at the same people so that should give him some clue. I think the vote for Jess this week was done out of anger. Him giving her the silent treatment makes no sense. That leaves him without a voice to try (if he would) to get Dustin nominated. And I'm sure it threw him off. I don't care for the guy...but I think it is just because of the way he has played the game. Had he used his status as AP to listen to the viewers I think he would have gone a lot further than I think he will.

Cmist
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09-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cmist a private message Print Post    
Maybe Eric is seeing the light and thinking of crossing back over from the dark side.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I honestly think shutting Eric up for a day helps in getting Dustin nominated. Imagine if he had gone on and on all night into morning about Dustin. That could be construed as fishy to Jess and had just the opposite affect. I think his backing off helped.

Ivory_mist
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08-31-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ivory_mist a private message Print Post    
he already talked to Jess for a long time....about Dustin.....and other nominees...just before starting his silent treatment....so he said all he wanted to say...now he is pretending he is sick!

Meagain
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07-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meagain a private message Print Post    
IF Eric took our message to heart... And Dustin goes up right now.... IF he was smart - he'd try to get Dustin out. I think he could work with Dick. They were friends before and they could pull this off. If Dick wants to stay, they could make a truce and Dick will hold to it. He has to.

Eric KNOWS Dustin has mega power and is King of that group. Dustin is far more dangerous to Eric than Dick could ever be right now.
He could make sure Jen/Zach are on board and even tell them he's voting out Dustin AND get credit for his AP task at the same darned time.

Don't be stupid Eric! Seize your chance to remove King Dustin - your nemesis, and break up a twosome at the same time. Gosh I hope he's smart enough to see all this!

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I realize he had talked to her about it already, Ivory_mist, but I don't consider it to have been "too much" yet. If he had been allowed to have gone on and on all last night as well, then it would have been over the top and suspicious.

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
Your keyboard to Eric's mind Meagain!