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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 5: America's Player (ARCHIVES): Archive through August 13, 2007 users admin

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Sidhe
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08-09-2007

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sidhe a private message Print Post    
We're on the same page, Lainee.

I also understood our role as being allied with Eric's attempt to make the F2, probably because of this:

"Will America and Eric be able to go all the way to the finish line?" - CBS

Seems clear enough to me.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
I totally agree Jimmer! What I am not liking is how America has made a joke outta the AP and made Eric's position even rougher than it needed to be!

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
I wish we could have him do more FUN stuff, not things that can hurt is gameplay. The "catchphrase" task was FUN stuff. The "bed crawl" was FUN stuff. Who to nominate & who to evict is not happening as an ally to Eric, now it is about messing him up and getting him kicked out. That is not something a good ally would do.



Lainee
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07-19-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Exactly, Sidhe! I read that as an alliance!

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Agreed, Konamouse!

Nana
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07-24-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nana a private message Print Post    
I don't want Eric to win the $500.000. I am happy to be able to use him for a vote...

I don't think he should have an edge in the game so As far as throwing him under the bus, I am fine with that...at the end of the game when all is said and done the way he is playing the game he will blame America for how it all turned out....

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
The last AC was the lamest yet. Eric did not complete this task. BB bent the rules, encouraged Eric to lie and say he was sick and in quarantine, silly stuff about not being able to talk to anyone for 12 hours.

Failed, and ridiculous.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
But has Eric been credited with successes for the ones he voted out that have been evicted? According to cbs/voting history he got Carol and Joe right, so that would be 2 more successes...or am I not figuring right?

You're right. Those 2 count as successes. As long as the person gets evicted that his vote goes for, it is a success. I'm thinking he will get credit this week also for getting Dustin nominated. If it didn't count when Jen was taken off the block by the veto, then surely when Dustin goes up because of the veto, that has to count.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
It will be a good life lesson for him to look back on this and realize that if you are part of a group, you need to actually consider that it is not all about you and work within the "office politics." If you get the others working with you, have respect for them and actually consider their advice, it is amazing how they will help you get where you want to be. It may be an expensive lesson for him to learn, but one he can use every day.


But shouldn't it work both ways? What is to say "we" are always right and Eric is wrong? It seems like the biggest controversy was getting Nick out instead of Kail. But after getting out, Nick said he thought Eric was shady because he didn't seem to want to take a stand (hello, waiting for the AP vote) and that he would have put Eric on the block, given the chance. So in fact Eric was right about that. So maybe in that case we should have been listening to his advice when he asked us to support getting Nick out? Why should he not get any input and only listen to us? Shouldn't we be listening to his ideas too before making a decision?

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Be smart here Eric. You are talking too much. You need to remember whose name you saw on the nomination vote. Pull back, stay cool and wait until you see whose name is on the next one. Dick is giving you an opening that you might be able to use come Wed.

Saguaro
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06-21-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saguaro a private message Print Post    
The last AC was the lamest yet. Eric did not complete this task. BB bent the rules, encouraged Eric to lie and say he was sick and in quarantine, silly stuff about not being able to talk to anyone for 12 hours.

Failed, and ridiculous


I agree. The task should have been for 24 hours so he couldn't cheat.

Bastable
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07-09-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bastable a private message Print Post    
If America is going to intentionally mess up his game, then Eric should be able to intentionally bend the rules.

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
Bastable - How can Eric have "his own game"? He's America's Player, playing for you America. He's had several weeks now to figure out that he should hold back on, to be childish for a moment, double-stamping his votes until he finds out on Wednesday what America wants. He's America's representative, we're not his voting block.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
The way I see it, Eric shouldn't have a game. He is "America's Player". He is a vessel for the whims, strategies and desires of the voting public. He gets himself in trouble when he starts trying to play the game for himself to win. The money he is being offered as AP is designed to offset the possibility that he may not win due to being restricted to playing with a boss behind the scenes telling him what to do.

Eric has a problem, he wants to eat his cake and have it too. Not possible, and he needs to back off and learn to roll the wave of AP and stop struggling against it. If he did that, I think the voters would cut him a break or two.

Unfortunate for him that he couldn't hide his disgust in the DR on Sunday night's show. Probably his attitude had a lot to do with the fact that his BFF was chosen by America to ignore.

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
I think Eric should have been doing that all along...taking the "challenge" and making it work for his game. Not talking to anyone is definitely the way to carry that task out. I applaud him for that!

If Eric would have not gotten visibly angry at America during early challenges, America probably would have taken Eric's advice into consideration. I have a feeling that America could care less whether Eric wins this...and he alone is responsible for that. Most of us are quite shallow and fickle when it comes to our tv viewing...annoy us and we're against you. Charm us and we're cheering you on. It's tv. As a longtime BB viewer, I am quite suspect about the amount of "reality" that actually is in the show, so I look at them like any other character in a series. I'm sure I would feel a bit more emotional if I knew anyone involved, but in my eyes they are not real people so I don't feel a large amount of responsibility for how this could change their lives. Heck, they are already getting to hang out in a house and sunbathe all summer while I am working my rear end off at work... let them suffer for a chance to win the money!

Bastable
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07-09-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bastable a private message Print Post    
Nutsy, Eric does his three tasks a week. That's all he owes America. The rest of the time, he needs to work to cover his butt so that the ramifications of his three tasks don't end in his eviction right away.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
PLUS, the one time he is caught on cam talking to us directly, it was to tell how he is disgusted with how we are voting.

I am SO much an Eric fan, but I am also critical of him. We aren't allowed to be critical in the fan thread.

Cmist
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09-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cmist a private message Print Post    
If Eric was as smart as he seems to think he is you'd think he would figure out we(America) do not like the people he has aligned with and try to crossover to the other side. At least he wouldn't have to hide his votes. It is painfully obvious by the voting that we want Dani and Dick to stay so if he continues to think he is in charge of his game I guess he will pay the price. If he is America's player then he should align himself with what we want. I see no reason shy we should cater to him. I probably would like him a lot better if he weren't aligned with Dustin, Amber and Jameka.

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
I am not really an Eric fan at this point, but there is still a side of me that would like to be. I think the AP thing could have been a fun thing. I would have loved to feel that we were a part of Eric's team....but instead we find our alliance being less than loyal to us and even somewhat undermining us behind our backs. LOL...but I didn't feel that sorry for Kail, and I don't really feel that sorry for us. In the BB spirit, we just made the twist work for us!

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
But not all of "we" want Dick and Dani to stay. Not all of America is wanting the same people.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
Sorry but they are living in a shoe box...how can he truly know what america is thinking when we are voting to screw him over....is he to think that we dont want him with jess eather.... I think he is doing the best he can with little info..... I like eric and I think he is in a really tough spot.... I wish him well...

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I assume that all Eric can surmise is that America appears to favor Dick and Daniele, given the negative reaction to anyone who opposes them or that Dick and Dani don't like (for example Kail and Jen and now Dustin and Jessica).

America's clear message based on their voting appears to be that they support Dick and Daniele.

Bubba
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07-29-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bubba a private message Print Post    
I never cared much for Eric, especially when he was doing his incest talk, but he is one heck of a player, if he wasn't America's player I think he would go all the way. I like Jess, so as long as he doesn't do anything to mess her up, I am going to vote to help him.

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
I certainly didn't mean to imply that everyone in America feels the same way. I like the variety! But at the moment the majority don't seem to feel that Eric is on their team. And you are right Chew...the info he gets has to be confusing. Each player in the game has advantages and disadvantages going for them at each step and that info is both to Eric.

I think Eric has a lot of qualities that made him a great choice as AP. But I don't think he is making the best of those qualities. He is smart, funny and has some natural charm. But some negative qualities are overriding, and he isn't using the good stuff to his advantage! He is young (and a man!)so he is still working out the kinks...if he learns to maximize his potential, he'll find great success. And despite my seeming negative opinion, I wish him well, too!

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
Lucymac - maybe not all, but clearly the majority, no?