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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 5: Big Brother Influencing the Game?: Archive through August 09, 2007 users admin

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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think that part of Big Brother's role is to influence the game. That is why they are called Big Brother.

So they should influence the game, keep things interesting, make the houseguests think about their actions and what is happening in the house and generally keep everyone on their toes.

But can they do this without influencing the outcome of the game and affecting who wins and loses? Is that a bad thing?

I suspect that a lot of fans feel that way when things don't go well for the HGs they are cheering for or there is a big turn around in how the HGs are thinking.

Kimsue
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07-08-2005

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kimsue a private message Print Post    
Veeeery interesting

Valid points

Lakecat
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10-01-2006

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lakecat a private message Print Post    
Im OK with BB sorta nudging the players along.If Eric leaves then the whole AP thing leaves with him. You know darn good and well BB influenced alot of things last yr with Will,Janelle,Boogie and Erica,its nothing new,Im sure its been going on since BB's inception.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
very valid. that is the purpose of big brother ... they don't do it enough, in my opinion. BB could take a couple of lessons from VAL on Solitary.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I don't mind BB's influence when I feel like they are evening the balance. That banner helped screw up Eric's game and it seems BB are trying to keep him in play. If BB didn't try to help keep Eric in the game, then AC is gone. So they are exerting influence in reaction to outside interference in his case.

What am I trying to say? I guess that as long as BB keeps the show interesting to watch, I'm fine with it.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Of course, they have to, most of these folks can't think ahead and BB may try to ask questions about a certain situation and show them certain pros and cons about a situation, then it's up to the hgs to reflect on BB's questions and hopefully act a bit more intelligently.

There is also the case of 'admonishing' certain hgs on behavioural patterns, didn't they just warn Dick not to cross the line? I'm sure BB expects fireworks if Eric stays and may warn Dick to keep his cool before and during the show, maybe telling him it could affect his winning or not winning HOH. They could put it in so many ways, but yep, BB is the boss!!!

Mack
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07-23-2002

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mack a private message Print Post    
I guess I can accept a certain amount of facilitating. In counselling you can be non-direct and help facilitate the individual coming to their own conclusions or you can be directive and give them the answers to their problems. In essence you're leading them to a conclusion in the second you're telling them the conclusion. I hope that BB is acting as a facilitator.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I say let the hg's see the tapes now. Haha, they wouldn't know what to do with all that info. He said, she said, they said, I said, who said? when was it said? Ugh, just vote out the person you like the most so that you aren't up against that person if you make it to final 2.

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Well said Jimmer, and really aren't these the same arguments, complaints and threats we hear every year when it is not going the way some people want it to go?

Jooleechenlvr
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04-21-2004

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jooleechenlvr a private message Print Post    
If the producers have influenced the game and they are keeping Eric, then they need to fix it to where Jen or Dick gets HOH.. Over the years I have always thought the Producers didn't have anything to do with who goes home, but now I have my doubts and now think they are behind Janelle and Will getting to the Final 4 last year

Gumby909
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08-20-2005

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gumby909 a private message Print Post    
Big Brother in the DR definitely influences the game. I think it is apparent if they keep Eric. Eric was being creepy watching Jess sleep, and then the whole Amber/Eric scene, now they are playing up to Eric. Did they just flip on a dime or did BB influence them. BB wants their new twist to work so of course they are going to try and push for Eric to stay. I can see BB interfering to a point, but don't change the outcome.

I guess Jameka is wrong, it is not God who controls who wins, but BB.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
If they are influencing the HG's in the DR to keep one over another then BB has jumped the shark and will be no more. The DR was always a place to sound off, not to suggest how and who to vote for.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
So how could the DR directly influence players to keep Eric? What would they say that would change a player's viewpoint?

DR: "That Eric is a swell guy!"

Amber: "I don't care what you think. I hate his guts and I'm voting him out!"

Gumby909
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08-20-2005

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gumby909 a private message Print Post    
Did you see HouseCalls today - someone called in and said that Amber was telling someone else in the house that the DR was trying to persuade her to keep Eric.

Watch House Calls and listen to the first caller.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think they have always influenced them but I think having the AP has created a situation where they are WAY too invested in keeping him.

I'm thinking that may have also happened during the twin twist.

But this time we know they influenced Amber and Eric, for that matter. And they tried pretty hard, or at least multiple times, to influence Daniele to not put up Eric in the first place.


This time it is much more blatant.

And the HG have discussed how Julie Chen seems to be more intrusive with her questions this season. Guess she's trying to be a bit more like Jeff Probst?

Donut
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07-31-2001

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Donut a private message Print Post    
Has that been verified??? Does anyone think that it's possible that Julie could address the anti-semitic BEFORE the vote and they will get scared and change their minds to keep Eric?? (that's assuming that the plan at this point is to kick him out.. i havent checked today..)

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I actually think that the players are very easy to influence--they change their minds on a dime all the time.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
I don't think it's the role of BB to influence any person. I thought that the role of BB was to WATCH (thus the eye) and let us in on the experience.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey, I totally agree with your post.
Donut, I think there is an article from CBS that states they will not air Amber's Jewish remarks, so most likely Julie will not bring it up. JMO

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Donut, as of 2:30am he is staying.

I don't think Julie will bring that up, but you never know.

Csnog, I think that is the role, ideally, but I think when they have special players who they interact with more, it is difficult for them..

Jooleechenlvr
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04-21-2004

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jooleechenlvr a private message Print Post    
CSnog: I thought the same thing

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
I hope I don't sound cynical, my goal is logical but isn't BB's main role to produce an entertaining TV show?

Bigfan
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06-09-2005

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bigfan a private message Print Post    
I for one believe that big brother is SCRIPTED! Sometimes when these houseguest are talking to one another they can hardly keep a straight face.
Do I still enjoy big brother....yes! I guess you could say that I think it is leading scripted, they can't always get the reaction they want. Please continue to love me even if you don't think I have a brain cell. =)

Jooleechenlvr
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04-21-2004

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jooleechenlvr a private message Print Post    
Its up to the PLAYERS to make their own decisions and not be swayed and vote out who they want..I love Big Brother and love the premise of it but don't want it marred like this.. I don't believe like on Survivor that the people are told who to vote out..

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Is it then a social experiment or an entertainment show?