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Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Eric's fault or the voters fault?

After a great nights sleep and reading the boards this morning my answer is, Eric's fault.

I spent a good deal of time Thursday voting for Dustin to be up. I was told over and over I was not only ruining Eric's game but fun for other people. The truth is I wasn't trying to ruin anything for anybody. I just wanted Dustin gone, still do.

It did get me to thinking though why was Eric's game being ruined by my voting that way. It came to me this morning.

Eric is the one that ruined his own game by jumping the gun. Eric could have been in the catbird seat if he had slowed down and let America guide him. Instead he jumped the gun and now wants to drag America along with him.

Starting with Nick. Eric was in too big of a hurry to get in an alliance. Eric should have played it cool and laid back until he saw what America was asking. Then he could have stuck a deal with Nick along the lines of "I think I have a way out this for you, just trust me". It would have taken him about 30 seconds to convince Dick, Danielle, Jen, Amber and Zack who was already on board. If that had happened I also think the other side of the house would have fell in line. It doesn't seem to take much to get this whole group of HG's to switch up. Instead he had already pushed hard for Nick to go and was firmly planted himself in an alliance that would have found that move suspect and questionable. By not waiting for America he was left with an odd vote that left him scrambling, paranoid and lying to cover himself.

So personally I don't feel Eric has what it takes to be AP. I feel he is the one that is responsible for splitting the house. He forgot America gets to see all. He didn't put his trust in what the majority of America wanted. So now instead of America guiding him seamlessly into what I hoped would be the final 2, he is left to dangle in the wind. IMO America didn't hurt Eric. Eric hurt Eric.

Txkaykay
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07-27-2006

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Txkaykay a private message Print Post    
Bolixibelle I totally agree!

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
Excellent post!! Exactly what was in my head, but you articulated it perfectly!!

Mrsmel
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07-04-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mrsmel a private message Print Post    
Thank you Biloxi for putting my exact thoughts into words. YES!

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Right'o Biloxi!!

now keep voting Dustin for eviction... but he has to be up with Dick.. of course. He's just bragging about being up with him but he'll push for Jen to go up instead.

Govols
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07-19-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
Well Said Biloxi!

I hope Dustin goes up beside Dick...great TV

Gonzilly
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07-09-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gonzilly a private message Print Post    
Last night Eric, Jameka, and Jessica were talking about taking Dick off the block if Dick or Dani wins the Veto. That would actually be to their advantage because Dick will be so annoyed that Dani was still up that he would help in getting Dustin evicted if he was put up as a pawn.

Mrsmel
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07-04-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mrsmel a private message Print Post    
While cleaning the bottom of the bird cage I just had a thought (LOL) Suppose Eric (with a little help from DR) has finally realized that he better start playing with AP instead of against. He really does convince Jess to put up Dustin as the "pawn", knowing we will vote to evict him and then he gets back in good graces with America. Then we might be willing to help him instead of hurt him.

Swannanoa
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07-09-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Swannanoa a private message Print Post    
Let me say this: We've been watching BB8 since the beginning. Eric has said, since day two, that he wanted to get Nick out of the house. Why didn't America listen to THAT instead of continuously voting to oust Kail? Plus the fact that we were privy to the HOH conversations where Amber wanted to backdoor Nick and all the rest fell in line once Dustin presented it. Why is this Eric's fault and not ours? See I just don't get the "point the finger" at the AP when he was in the DR from the getgo saying who he would like to have evicted from the house. Hey, but that's cool. I can agree to disagree.

While you vote to mess up Eric's game, you also hurt my vote as well. I don't understand the fairness in that at all. If we play strategically as opposed to hurting the AP for a perceived wrong, won't we win in the end? Mind you, I do not want Eric to win BB. Not in the least. But I would like to have a vote on the F2. I figure Eric can go any day now and we'd still have a vote because he'll be in sequester and on the jury. That's fine by me.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I know that a lot of people hate Dick ,Dustin and Eric for the things they have said in the house about other players but I also find it ironic that some people love one of them and hate the others.

The tone of this show was established during the first week and most of the HGs have fallen into the muck pile. Said muck pile is pretty crowded these days.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I don't LOVE Dick, but my thought is if you have to talk nasty to someone, say it to their face, not behind their backs. I cringe at some of his remarks too.

Mrsmel
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07-04-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mrsmel a private message Print Post    
It pretty hard to find somebody to love in this bunch for sure!

Carmil
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07-17-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmil a private message Print Post    
Swannanona - So you're asking us to support anyone that Eric supports to keep him safe and AP alive? So that means if the final 2 we can all cast a vote for either Dustin/Amber or Jameka/Dustin or whoever in the LNC5 ends up in the final 2?

I have no interest if the votes come down to that. To me it's like having to choose between Boogie and Erica or even worse, Maggie and Ivette. How is that a fun vote? AP has already lost interest for me, ever since Eric decided to ally himself with the most boring side of the house. As AP it was his responsibility to keep himself neutral, so America would've had a real vote and a real say in this mess.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I have always supported Eric's right to go against AC but now that he has made the jury I really hope that in the future his ugly comments turn out to bite him in the ass.I still would like to see Amber out before him though.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I don't think we can fault Eric for sometimes being less than enthusiastic in his fulfillment of the orders. This is a game of strategy and of alliances. He is forced to play by a rule which greatly hinders and handicaps his ability to do this. If he were to simply follow what he is told to do fully and enthusiastically, he would not be long for the game.

He has a right to win this game and thus he must have the ability to strategize and ally himself, and yet also has to figure out a way to do so while still following directions.

No one else in the House is faced with this type of dichotomy. No one else has this type of restriction on their ability to play.

Eric needs to be given some leeway in how he handles this situation if he is to have a chance to win like everyone else.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
It would have been far better if they had set up AP such that Eric could not win the game. Then he would not have had two competing priorities - to complete the AP tasks versus staying the game and winning himself.

It's a set up for failure, for him and for the viewers.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
I do not care for Eric and wouldn't mind if he was evicted. However, as AP, he does not have control over the HOH or the other houseguests. In order to successfully get someone evicted, he has to have the cooperation of the house. It just doesn't make sense to me to purposely vote against Eric and then blame him for not completing the task. This week is a perfect example, IMO. Did anyone really think Jessica would agree to put Dustin up over Dick and Dani?

I want Dustin out as much as most people, but I knew Jessica would never agree to nominate him. JMO.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
CBS did not really think this through at all. America is very fickle.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
It's a set up for failure, for him and for the viewers.

ITA, Karuuna!!! My dislike for Eric's behavior (slander) aside, I do feel sorry for him because I believe he is there to win. I blame all the controversy over AP on BB/CBS, not Eric.

Bidasea
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08-04-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bidasea a private message Print Post    
I think it would have been better(socially)for Eric not to be able to actually win BB. His friends might have been able to laugh AP off if he had no chance to be the winner.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
ITA Kar & Bidasea! :-) But <77> I want him so gone, (after Amber, that is.)

Swannanoa
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07-09-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Swannanoa a private message Print Post    
Swannanona - So you're asking us to support anyone that Eric supports to keep him safe and AP alive? So that means if the final 2 we can all cast a vote for either Dustin/Amber or Jameka/Dustin or whoever in the LNC5 ends up in the final 2?

Carmil, I'm not asking you or anyone else to do anything that you don't want to do. Why would I do that? I'm just saying that when people vote (and I don't know who they are nor do I really care) to purposefully mess up something, then it messes it up for the rest of us who really want to do this fair and square.

I don't care for any of Eric's remarks or Dicks' or Dustins' and least of all, Ambers'. I think they've all opened their mouths one too many times and taken things way beyond a personal level. In the end, I don't want any of these four to win and I'm still up in the air over Jameka. I like Dani, Jess and Jen because I think they are the lesser of the evils in that house. Does that mean I'm going to use my AP vote to mess with Eric? No, I want to use it to be able to at least vicariously participate. This is all I'm saying. }

Cheekychops
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08-12-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cheekychops a private message Print Post    
Caprica, I totally agree with you. They didn't think this twist through at all. They could def. have done more with this than what they have. I think allowing AP to watch DR tapes or even reading some BB message boards would have been great - because it would be challenging for AP to try and keep their trap shut and not spill the beans on what they know. BB could maybe have even set up a AP message board that they could have read in order to get some ideas as to what America really wants. Which tasks we want AP to do - instead of BB deciding and us just voting. That's boring.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
When you think about it, America's Player should really be playing to try to get America's favorite person to win the whole thing. Since Eric wants to win, and from all the polls he's not the fave, it's a lose-lose proposition.

A true America's player wouldn't be pranking the house, or creating a showmance, or flattering someone for no reason. A true AP would be constantly manipulating and campaigning to get the favs to the end.

I just don't think it was well thought out, or planned. It's too bad, because it could have been great fun.

Cheekychops
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08-12-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cheekychops a private message Print Post    
True Karuuna, Erik is waaaaay too involved in his own gain here. There should be more tasks for him to do - for our benefit of getting ahead in the game. He should know who the majority of us like and dislike. He should be striving to get our favorite ahead - not himself. Does he win all the $$ if he wins?