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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 12:28 am
there are many children and spouses who would beg to differ. I guess there are just those of us who believe there is a difference between reality and reality TV. The BB house is not my definition of reality. I would agree with you if in a private home where abuse was happening there were people in the walls, 50 cameras thoughtout the house and yard, and 100,000 people watching your every move. <77>
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 8:40 pm
OMGsh, I feel so badly for Jen. Dick and Dani are planning on playing a prank on Jen by putting RP (rank you know what) on her unitard with bleach or wine. It's ridiculous!!! I know BB essentially set the pace for that with the mustard, but come on. It's cruel and there isn't any justification for it.
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Tvwatcher
Member
04-17-2004
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 8:43 pm
I posted a link in the live feed video thread to the clip on youtube in case anyone wants to hear him actually describe his plan.

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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 8:49 pm
tyvm, tv...you're awesome!!!
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 8:55 pm
Ouch, I didn't catch it the first time that Jessica offered her hair dye for Dick to do it and then say RP means Royal Princess. Encouraging it is almost as bad as doing it.
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Lucas
Member
07-01-2005
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 8:58 pm
Dick treats women like crap, espeically those who do not fawn over him, he does like cute little blonde ones he stares at all day. But it is obvious he hates himself more.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 9:10 pm
All during Dick's tirade against Amber for her meaningless comment about loving her dog, I kept wishing Amber would tell him that he has no right judging others about how much they love their kids, considering he simply gave his child away so he could drink, travel, do drugs, and chase women!
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Lancecrossfire
Animoderator
07-13-2000
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 9:17 pm
SanFran 1, Dick 0. LOL
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 9:28 pm
I'm not big on judging others personally. However, I'm not sure Dick's past actions should in themselves devalue his ability to judge. Does Dick regret that he did those things and feel that he made a mistake? Does Dick recognize the value of having a daughter and a son? If the answer is yes, then he has as much right to judge Amber as anyone does, regardless of his history. Maybe more. Maybe the reason he judges her harshly is because of how he feels about what he did and what he wasted?
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Lancecrossfire
Animoderator
07-13-2000
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 9:33 pm
Jimmer, I agree with what you said. My giving SanFarn the point was because of his suggestion that Amber respond that way. Then let Dick say yes, that is true and that is why I'm so intense about it for other people. I think he has a lot to teach others--but his methods aren't very good. As far as judging, they all do it. It's how you do it that makes a difference in that house.
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 9:47 pm
Why is Dick's leaving his children with his parents judged a bad thing? I'm not saying he should be given applause or anything, but if he knew he couldn't raise two young children on his own and left them with someone he could trust to raise them well, isn't that a good thing? For all we know, he gave his kids some stability and normalcy through their childhood.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:03 pm
Wargod, my point was that he was up in Amber's face about something that he has no business judging. I just don't believe Dick should be judging others about parenting. He became a parent and failed to rise to the occasion and gave his kid away....and now he's yelling at Amber about a silly off the cuff remark about how much she loves her kid? Glass houses, stones, etc... And yes, I see your point about how giving Dani away was probably the best thing for her. However, Dick could have found a way to live up to his responsibility rather than trading his kid for party time.....but he chose not to.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:28 pm
"Maybe the reason he judges her harshly is because of how he feels about what he did and what he wasted?" Jimmer, he was judging Amber harshly over nothing. She made a random remark that sounded silly....but she only said it in passing and didn't expect to be aggressively cross examined by Dick. We all know how "articulate" Amber is so parsing her words and demanding that she get in the ring with him was completely uncalled for. In THIS case, I believe Dick bulldogged her about that silly remark simply to make her feel defensive so she would take the bait and he would have someone to belittle. Amber just happened to give him the ammunition he was looking for. I think he has a mean streak just like Daniele claims and just like I've seen him demonstrate time and again in the house. All he was doing was trying to force Amber to submit to his interpretation of things and admit she was wrong and he was right. He continually does the same thing to Dani and Kail and Jen. I also want to add that I'm not defending Amber for what she said or because I like her. I think Dick's attack had nothing to do with Amber and everything to do with him being in the mood to start a fight and force Amber to defend herself......for no other reason than because it makes him feel like a big man.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:47 pm
Exactly SanFran. It is one thing if a person is 16 yo or has no job or is mentally or physically disabled and incapable of raising children. It is quite another when one is an adult, capable of working and providing a home but chooses not only to give the children away, but legally abdicates all rights as a parent -- and then spends the years they are growing up on drugs, traveling, and sleeping with any female who will spread her legs for him. This is not a case of a man who was not capable of raising his children. It is the case of a man who chose to be irresponsible and turn his back on his children so he could go off and live a life of debauchery. I have seen so many men father children and then abandon them while they are young and the work is hard -- and then decide they want to be a father when the raising is finished. I have no respect for such a man. And I use the term man loosely when speaking of these males who impregnated females and then ran away. A man, a true man, does not do that. A man accepts the consequences of what he has done and lives up to his responsibilities -- especially to his own flesh and blood. I am a gay man. I grew up in the 50's and 60's, reached adulthood in the 70's before it was "cool" to be gay. I fathered and raised three sons. As the gay community forced its way out of its closet, I could have very easily exclaimed that "I have to be me!" and gone off to live in WeHo or the Castro District and lived a fully gay lifestyle, leaving my sons behind. And there were many who advised me to do just that, saying I had a some sort of right to live my sexuality fully and that if I did not, I would damage myself. Of course, those who advised me of that never mentioned what sort of damage it might to do my sons. But doing this simply so "I can be me" is NOT what a man does. I have raised my sons; the youngest being 19 and in college. Now I can turn my attention to myself and I have every right to. But up until now, my sons not only deserved to have their father with them, but had a right to my life and my parenting. I brought them into this world and I had a responsibility to raise them to adulthood. I have no patience when I listen to Dick talk about how much he loves his children and how he made mistakes and he regrest it and now wants to make it up to them and then gets upset when his daughter turns from him. He is reaping what he sowed and, if he were really a man, he would accept what he has done and stop trying to get sympathy for himself. He should grow up, finally become a man, and let his daughter come to him if and when she wants to. And if she never wants to it is because he chose to leave her many years ago -- she did not choose to leave him and she owes him nothing now.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:13 pm
We all watched the same interaction at that table and Amber bought herself a whole of heat by deliberatly goating Dick. He was the one who made the offhanded comment and she choose to tell him that he was wrong. Now I agree that she should be able to say what she wants and no one should have to cow tow to Dick, but if you are going to take a stand then take it. Don't get all butt hurt when he asks you to explain why you would feel that you love your dog and your child the same way. She knows he's going to ask her why she thinks that way. All of a sudden she is a victim, well you made yourself a victim. It wasn't him going after her, it was the other way around, she wanted him to challenge her and he did, and I think she looked like a fool. She is not one of the big dogs and she either gets the skills to be one or she needs to keep her "yap" shut.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:14 pm
"I could have very easily exclaimed that "I have to be me!" and gone off to live in WeHo or the Castro District and lived a fully gay lifestyle, leaving my sons behind. " I understand what you mean, but I have to take issue with the phrase "gay lifestyle". I think what most people mean when they hear "gay lifestyle" is "bar hopping promiscuous lifestyle". "Gay lifestyle" is way too vague to actually mean anything and "bar hopping promiscuous lifestyle" is just a stereotype. I would say that you DID live a "gay lifestyle".....your lifestyle was being a parent and you also happened to be gay....so, as I see it, that was your gay lifestyle. Some gay people are priests, some are homeless, and some are over achieving CEOs. There are even celibate gay people and there are married gay people that never come out of the closet, so how can they all be living "the gay lifestyle"? Their lifestyles are totally different! Lifestyles vary from person to person and lifestyles are how one live, not what one's sexual orientation is. It would be like saying that African Americans live the "black lifestyle". See what I mean? In any case, I totally agree with everything you said, even though I did take issue with a term that means something different for every individual that it's applied to. Thanks so much for your open and honest words. I really appreciated them. (And please don't take offense at any of this....the misunderstood term, "gay lifestyle" is just a pet peeve of mine and when I see it in a public forum like this one I always talk about it....just like when someone says the being gay is a choice. That will get me goin' too!) Thanks!
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Sincebb1
Member
08-22-2005
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:29 pm
What- your sons are lucky to be so loved!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:29 pm
"Don't get all butt hurt when he asks you to explain why you would feel that you love your dog and your child the same way." But she did explain remark but Dick still felt the need for a fight and he got in her face and cross examined her and belittled her. She shared her opinion and said that's how she feels and Dick went on the attack. Amber didn't ask for that. Amber is pretty much of a mess and has all kinds of contradictory feelings that are always overblown and Dick uses that failing to play with her like a cat plays with a hurt mouse. When she told him that HE was the only person that makes her feel so frustrated and get that worked up, the first thing I thought of was how Dick does the same thing to Dani. He challenges every thing some of the women say because he wants to do battle with them and teach them the way things are "supposed"" to be viewed.
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Doublethink
Member
08-23-2006
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:32 pm
SanFran and What thanks for your postings. SanFran - I especially thank you for your comments on "gay lifestyle". I hear that expression often, and I suspect that I have also been guilty of using it without realizing how offensive it sounds. So thanks for educating me, and I'll be sure to delete it from my vocabulary. Also thanks for both of your posts on Dick's behavior. I've failed to understand why there are so many posters (especially female posters) who are so forgiving of Dick's behavior. I can't comment on his decision to let his mother raise his two children. I don't know the whole story, and I don't know "whether he did his best" as many posters have commented. I do wonder if BB had cast a mother with children, and she had a similar personality and similar family history as Dick, would posters have been so forgiving? Probably not.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:57 pm
I am so surprised to read Whats wonderful sharing post and then to see him corrected for using a commonly used phrase as part of his opinion. Gay lifestyle is a broad term. Everyone knows that. no one is pigeon holeing homosexual lifestyle/ heterosexual lifestyle/ celibate lifestyle there is no negative connotation to any of those terms By the way What, I agree completely. For some reason in this day and age, Parents think of themselves FIRST, their happiness FIRST. I know a few single parents whose primary goal is to get a signif other, kids are second. Going out, drinking Partying is all part of hunting up a new partner for some people. Now to get back on subject as per Dick. His second wife of 8 yrs wanted nothing to do with the kids. my calculations put that at dani around 6-14 yrs old....her formative years when a girl needs her dad. i cant imagine growing up knowing dad is more concerned with a new wife who doesnt want me...and he goes along with it! how hurtful.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 12:03 am
"there is no negative connotation to any of those terms" You are wrong. You just don't get it.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 12:17 am
From : dictionary.com lifestyle Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1): life·style [lahyf-stahyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun the habits, attitudes, tastes, moral standards, economic level, etc., that together constitute the mode of living of an individual or group. ----------- American Heritage Dictionary: life·style also life-style or life style (l?f'st?l') Pronunciation Key n. A way of life or style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group: "It was a millionaire's lifestyle on the pocketbook of a hairdresser" (People). -------------------- WordNet: lifestyle noun a manner of living that reflects the person's values and attitudes [syn: life style] ---------------------- You can probably find the use of the term somewhere that reflects how you use it....but just be aware that to many gay people, it's offensive. "Lifestyles" can be similar whether or not the person's whose life you are referring to is gay, straight, black, left handed, or Canadian.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 12:35 am
exactly my point...it is very broadspectrum and doesnt really SAY anything about a person. but it is a term that is commonly used in the gay community and is NOT offensive or it wouldnt be so commonplace. heck, Even Dustin has said he lives a gay lifestyle.
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Penpoint
Member
03-27-2001
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 12:48 am
Gay lifestyle is a totally inaccurate term and that is reason enough not to use it. The fact that it offensive to a lot of us should mean something to you. And it is not "commonly used" in the gay community except as a joke to point out how stupid the term is.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:01 am
so what is being made clear, is neither of you guys accept What's opinion and he is not allowed to say Lifestyle, even though it has no negative connotation to him. What is Pink Planet? Pink Planet ... A Global Search for Gay Culture is a fast-paced, world gay and lesbian culture show. Pink Planet takes viewers on an up-close and personal journey to gay festivals, events and celebrations around the world, from the most secluded gay nude beach in Hawaii, to the hardcore leather festival in San Francisco and the bronco-bucking Gay Rodeo in Calgary, Alberta. Each stylish 30 minute episode focuses on a gay-friendly destination, exploring gay neighborhoods, nightlife and funky shopping districts. Along the way we meet the world�s gay movers and shakers, including the openly gay Mayor of Palm Springs, a young gay couple fighting for the right to adopt in Mexico City and a lesbian DJ and music producer to the stars, like Madonna, in Miami Beach. The result is the ultimate global guide for gays and lesbians and all the people who love them! and people talk about the Lifestyle on the show. it is Canadian based and no doubt we dont have the problem with the phrase. Since I am NOT Dick, I will now stop this debate as some people are emotional about the words.
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