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Neosporen
Member
08-18-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:14 am
The way I look at it, IF he is NOT our puppet then whats the use of having AP??? By Him NOT being our puppet we are forced to follow HIS strategy instead of what America might do for strategy. America's plan and aliances might be a Beter way to go, but we don't know cause he is stubbourn and flips off America for not helping him do what he wants...that to me reaks of him voting for what America should want or like...which is completely opposite of what AP is suppose to be about...
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:47 am
He's supposed to be our puppet, isn't he? Dick has treated his fellow alliance members as "puppets", demanding they do what HE tells them too. Should America be like Dick and demand total subservience of Eric? Maggie also treated the people in her alliance as puppets....not sure I want my gameplay to be on the same level as her's.... If America wants to be a puppet master, we should be strategizing like Will...and doing what is best to win the GAME...not because someone said something horrific, or is bossy, or doesn't act the way we think they should. Forcing Eric to alienate himself just for our pleasure isn't strategic game play to me...JMO
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:51 am
AMEN Kep421! I totally agree! Dunno about anyone else, but I just do NOT like being equated with Maggie or Dick!
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:54 am
Very well said, Kep...
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:20 am
I guess I will chime in one more time on this subject but I really think other posters have said most of my thoughts. To me, the AP knew American was going to do the voting for him. With that being said, AP should have waited until we gave him our decision before doing anything rash. Eric didn't play that way because he thought he could get America to vote the way he wanted. Big mistake on his part and now he finds himself in a hole. I don't blame America - I blame Eric. He really thought he could manipulate America into voting what he wanted. I ask you, if we just sat back and voted for how Eric said he wanted us to then how would we be playing. We would just be "stamping" his decisions.
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:24 am
I am NOT Maggie and Eric isn't my puppet...and if the best gameplay to keep him in the house was getting Nick out, then that's what I did. He knows more of the temperament in that house that anyone here, even those with purported 24/7 live feeds. Ya know, with half a brain and knowing singing causes the feeds to halt...all it would take was to start singing a few bars while your alliance said something. I think even the famed Dr. Will said something about this last year.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:25 am
The problem with the AP twist is the 10 Million people can not agree on any thing. I don't care what different peoples reasons are for how they vote I just know that America can't play a strategic game when they are voting against each other. You can hate Eric or you can love Eric but the bottom line is CBS lied to someone(Either Eric or America)about how this twist was supposed to work. The edits have been biased this year and the DR's we have seen have been a joke. Without the DRs to tell us what players are really thinking who could know what someone’s strategy really is. This may be my last year of BB(that's if I can finish this one)
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:04 am
I am not surprised Eric thought he would be able to manipulate America into voting his way. He's like a slick used car salesman (apologies to any honest ones out there).. given enough time, he could sell anything. Unfortunate for him that BB doesn't give him a lot of air time on the shows talking to America and the live feeds don't include DR sessions. I think we'd see yet another side to Eric if the DR was shown. And while I'm on that subject, since he's America's Player, they should show his DR's.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:14 am
He is America's Player not America's Puppet.Eric was our chance to make strategic moves in the house. His purpose was to do what we said to further him in the game. I think we let him down long before he let us down. We knew that the group was voting Mike out and America told Eric to vote Kail out knowing he would be casting a stray vote that he could not explain. The Nick thing was better for his future in the house and yet once again America forced him to vote against the group. America does not deserve to have their own player they don't even understand simple instructions.
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Izzysmydog
Member
08-13-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:51 am
My take on Eric is that he is essentially being paid to do certain tasks and that is is job. Do we know if he was recruited to be Americas Player as a stipulation on being in the house? If that's the case, then he is a mole and it is his JOB to do what what America decides he's supposed to do.. If he applied for the show and then was asked that's a different story than if he was hired for the position of America's Player.. I remember the show, the Mole, where Kathy Griffin was the mole and they had to find out who she was. Isn't this twist supposed to be a similar premise? The problem is we don't have enough answers to the right questions to know if he's supposed to be really playing for us or himself.. If he was hired, then he shouldn't be in line for the grand prize and at some point he needs to be voted out...
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:08 am
Izzy, if he was approached to be AP and then declined, they would not have allowed him into the house this season (because he'd know about the twist). So in that sense, yes, accepting the position as AP was stipulation for being in the house. I don't think it matters whether he applied to be AP or was recruite/requested to take the position. I think he's failed miserably in his representation of what *I* want. If he had waited to see how America was voting on things before he started to campaign, he'd be a lot better off. I also think if he started to pay attention to the votes he's been seeing from America, he'd realize that America likes Dick and Daniele. But he's too wrapped up in his own personal endgame and is NOT playing the game as a representative of me.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:43 am
I must be watching another show. I don't see Dick DEMANDING his alliance do anything other than keep their word. If they were his puppets Nick would still be here and so would Kail. (and yes, I know he voted Nick...but with very mixed emotions) Dustin has been much more demanding of his alliance. Yes, Dick rants and raves....but he is not DEMANDING anything. (Other than just a little honesty)
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:51 am
Dick was the one who wanted Nick out of the house. He is the one who was worried about Nick using Daniele. Nick would not have still been there. I saw the LNC chat where they all agreed about Nick except for Tameka and Daniele. In that session, Dick pushed for backdooring Nick.
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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 7:35 am
Personally, I think the whole thing fell apart for Eric with that stupid AP question: Which houseguest's things do you want Eric to vandalize? Or however it was worded. Eric's face clearly showed he was uncomfortable with the task. Anyone playing carefully and strategically isn't going to be doing stupid crap like that. That question revealed to Eric that from BB's point of view, the AP wasn't about him winning, it was about him being there to stir up *trouble." I think there could have been two possibilities if BB had thought this through. (Jeez AG and staff are fools.) 1. Eric (or the AP player) should have been told he could not win. He should have been paid a huge stipend, to make him motivated to stay in the house, and a bigger amount for each task completed. 2. There should be no AP player. Instead, the house would be told that periodically America would be *voting a vote. So if 6 HG's are voting this week, America has its own vote cast for us by BB itself. *giving info to select players. Ex. We vote this week to give player X info about player Y. It could be Yes No or an ABCD thing. (A. America votes to tell Dustin that Eric has discussed with Jess evicting him. B. America votes to tell Dick the info Eric knows about Amber. C. etc.) *assigning tasks. Ex. A. America votes this week that Dick must cook for all the HG's this week and they can only eat Dick's cooking. B. America votes that Zach must vote however Jameka votes (forcing them to strategize together?) C. America votes that Amber will receive a penalty nom if she cries more than twice in the week. LOLOL etc. I think there are hundreds of ways to have America vote to manipulate events in the house. America voting on how to control the house would be better than America trying to control a player, imo.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 7:47 am
Webchiq, I watched the LNC chat too. Other than Dani, the whole group wanted Nick evicted. For whatever reason, people blame Eric for the group decision and believe he could have changed everyone's minds. Personally, I feel people give Eric too much credit. He may be good at persuading, but he still cannot control what other people want and/or do. He has to have the support of HOH and the rest of the house to successfully to get someone evicted. I really don't think Eric wanted Nick out in spite of America. He did ask us for our support first b/c he knew where the group was headed. Eric had no way of knowing how popular Nick was or that America would use his role as AP to retaliate against him. For that reason, I feel sorry for him. Just like Dick and Dani, I am sure if Eric had a chance to do it over again, he would have done things differently. JMO.
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Northwestblonde
Member
09-01-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:10 am
Great suggestions Kminfinity! I just don't see the great betrayal that some have mentioned. He's only human, he has flaws, and I think he's playing the best he knows how. I really do wonder how well any of us would do in this kind of bubble setting with the only contact you have is with a bunch of people you've never met and some faceless individuals telling you what millions of other faceless individuals want you to do.
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Wavelength
Member
07-25-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:28 am
I think that the banner labeled Eric as a liar and so now he is a scapegoat for many things. I thought they weren't going to allow banners anymore.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:49 am
But the banner correctly labeled him a liar, and he DID do the things he's being a scapegoat for.
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Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:04 am
Just about everyone has lied in the house. Where are the banners for them? That's why Eric is a scapegoat, like Wavelength said.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:14 am
In all fairness, LNC included Dick, <100> I am assuming who ever sent the banner was not pleased that Dick participated in Nick's eviction either. Unfortunately, no one pointed that out to Dick...LOL.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:18 am
The banner was sent for a specific reason and it did what it was supposed to do. It outed Eric. What I don't understand is why Amber hasn't also been under scrutiny, since she, too, was outed as a liar.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:27 am
Amber is the one who suggested putting Nick up. Yes, Dick had mixed emotions...he liked Nick but was concerned he was using his daughter. But even BEFORE the vote he was having mixed emotions. He told Danielle they would have to vote him out because that is what the group wanted. Amber and Eric wanted him gone the most and pushed it the most.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:34 am
Of course Eric is lying. So are they all.
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Veander
Member
07-02-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:54 am
I don't like Eric. He's doing a terrible job and his faux-hawk is horrible looking.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:20 am
I agree Veander. I like him less and less and cannot wait to see him head for sequester.
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