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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:42 pm
"You think it would be fun to see a daughter trashing her father on national Tv? " Milosmom, why do you think she would "trash him"? I just said I'd like to see her "tell Dick exactly what she feels". I didn't say "trash him". I guess you mean you believe that what Daniele feels about her father is incredibly negative. Wow.
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Jushvnfn
Member
07-29-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:43 pm
Bbdi Member 09-01-2006 Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 7:59 am I hope you're not thinking I'm a dick supporter :::levity break::: funniest thing I've read yet!! Me too Bbdi 
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:45 pm
Sorry for my assumption. Just not a fan of anyone getting drunk and trashing which is usually the case when drinking. Never see a lot of "Oh I love you so much, you are perfect" out of a drunkard when there has been a volatile past. Too be honest, I could have done without the father/daughter twist.
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:50 pm
Well, Milosmom, it's certainly how I read the tone of sanfran's original post. Why else would someone want to watch a young person get drunk and have at her father if it wasn't because she was expecting it to be negative.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:55 pm
"Well, Milosmom, it's certainly how I read the tone of her original post." Whose original post?
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:58 pm
SFJF is all man! Both Dick and Jen are responsible for their own behavior. Whose behavior, honestly, has been worse? I know my answer.
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:59 pm
oops. gender confusion. sorry Sanfran.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:02 pm
Thank you for recognizing my virile maleness, Guinevere. Maybe people get confused because I have been so adamant in my distaste for men who verbally abuse/attack women. You don't have to be female to recognize or denounce that kind of cruel behavior.
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:03 pm
Nope, sorry to disapppoint, but it was your name that threw me off, not your opinions.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:12 pm
quote:You don't have to be female to recognize or denounce that kind of cruel behavior.
ITA. One of the things that has depressed me this week is the number of ostensibly female posters who have no problem stating that Jen "asked for it." The language is the language that has been traditionally employed to defend male on female abuse. I'm not saying all such posters are sexist, but it hits a little too close to home. It's sort of like if there were a conflict between, say, Eric and Jameka, and people took up for Eric, stating that Jameka should "know her place."
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:20 pm
I'd like to see Daniele get totally tanked on her upcoming 21st birthday and tell Dick exactly what she feels, and in no uncertain terms. Oh that sounds like fun..I'm out for blood I don't really care who's blood it is..lol
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:20 pm
I never said Jen asked for it, and admired her calmness. I just don't think Dick is the serial woman abuser he is being made out to be. He is crude, he is over the top, no one I would associate with, but entertainment. Did he get close to the line? Yes. Cringe worthy moments, yes, there have been plenty of those in all BB seasons. Jen is not acting like she is being abused. They were interactiing just fine today. And the houseguests were comfortable enough to send her looking for him. Its understandable a lot of people are looking at this based on their own life experiences and see things differently than I do. I do not fault them for that at all, and agree I may not be right. Just my opinion.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:23 pm
I'm not saying all such posters are sexist, but it hits a little too close to home. It's sort of like if there were a conflict between, say, Eric and Jameka, and people took up for Eric, stating that Jameka should "know her place." <77> Jen and Dick are both grown, she baits him and he verbally attacks. That analogy is so off base.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:38 pm
I would say in the incidents on Monday, at the very least, it was a case of him verbally attacking first. Whether she baited him (after his attacks began) seems to depend on whether you think she has a right to respond to him, or is required to run away from him and try to avoid him by limiting herself to parts of the house where he chooses not to be. I see that as ceding way too much power to Dick; he doesn't deserve it and there is no reason she should give it to him.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:39 pm
"Did he get close to the line? Yes." The thing is, the line that Dick got "close to" was the one between verbal abuse and physical abuse. Considering his obviously verbally abusive behavior plus his own admission that he verbally abuses Jen...well, that to me, settles the question of whether or not Dick's verbal attacks are "abusive" or not. Dick himself says it IS "abusive".
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:48 pm
Jen is doing exactly what many people complain that no one else in the house will do. She is standing up to Dick and letting him know that his abusive tactics won't work on her because she figured him out instead of simply reacting. Guinevere, as I see it, the tea incident was nothing in and of itself....it was the days-long escalation of Dick's verbal attacks that increased in cruelty that led up to the tea incident that is the true issue. That issue is Dick's pattern of escalating abuse that was fast approaching actual physical abuse. It's the big picture, not the glass of tea.
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Caycaye
Member
09-14-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:53 pm
Swinging around even a "plastic" golf club is PHYSICAL INTIMIDATION while accomapanied by his VICIOUS verbal tirade.... This man must GO....Please email Allison Grodner at CBS....I have for the fifth time!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:55 pm
The notion of Jen "baiting" Dick sounds like what so many battered women deal with.....they "bait " their husbands into abusing them by simply crying or even just looking at them wrong or not having dinner ready when he's ready to eat or maybe just by talking to them. It's the "she MADE me do it" defense for domestic abuse and it doesn't hold water. No one can make Dick do anything he doesn't want to do....except maybe BB when they made him cut back on his escalating attacks.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:56 pm
It won't do any good, Caycaye. Alison G. doesn't care about the welfare of the HG's. She uses these people for her own gratification. Dick/Dani are her fairytale this year and she will never admit she chose the wrong people.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:58 pm
hahahaha, he is so good for ratings..Amber, for once I have a little respect girl!!
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Caycaye
Member
09-14-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:59 pm
That is so sad then, Cricket.....
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Snee
Member
06-26-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:09 pm
caycaye, what's the story with the plastic golf club?
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Justin42
Member
08-05-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:28 pm
I go back to the Scott (BB4) analogy. He throws a chair, in frustration/anger, down a seemingly empty hallway (not towards anyone), and gets booted with no warning. Dick consistently ratchets up the abuse, and now is slamming a gold club inches away from a person he is arguing with, and the DR just does high-fives and says "Great TV!" The only thing I see here is either a> everyone working for BB is an ostrich or b> there is a secret Jen/Dick alliance the DR knows about and knows it's NOT serious and just for the game, and we're all being duped. I'm hopeful it's B but pretty sure it's A given BB's past track record of keeping secrets and responding in appropriate manners to situations as they arive.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:06 pm
I don't see it being "B" at all.
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