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Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
The article Beruthiel was referring to, says that Eric has to make a "meaningful" effort to complete his tasks and it's up to Eric how he goes about doing it, including how he campaigns (the mustard was Eric's idea btw). It goes on to say that Eric doesn't have a choice when it comes to the eviction vote.

As with everything else re: AP, it is subject to different interpretations (IMO) b/c what might be considered "meaningful" to some may not be to others. For me, the article did not change my opinion of Eric or how he is doing as AP.

Here's the link for the entire article:

http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article7214.art&page=1

Cinder
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09-01-2000

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinder a private message Print Post    
After reading this article- and doing the math (7 of 9 tasks completed) It appears that who Eric votes for is not a "task" and therefore not succeeded or failed. The tally is counting tasks 1-13 (and subtract number 2, 5, 8, 11)
Therefore- Eric did not "fail" at getting anyone nominated- he just had to vote for who we said.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Well, I think BB realized their mistake in having Eric playing both games, ours and his. If they'll try this again, they should choose a neutral player who is willing to play ONLY America's game.

Glasgurl
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09-18-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Glasgurl a private message Print Post    
When they first revealed the AP twist I was very intrigued. Although I felt bad for Eric since this definitely removed the option of having his own strategy, I was happy for us to finally have some sort of say in what goes on in the BB house.

Unfortunately, Eric has not played the game very well. He refuses to take his cue from our input and instead is still trying to play his own game.

Being AP, whether he chose that route willingly or not, he is obligated to play the way that the voters have chosen for him and he really isn't giving it his best effort. Every vote that we have sent to him has been a clue and rather than change his strategy to work with ours he has chosen to try to change ours to go the way he wants. No doubt a formula for failure and if he hadn't discarded the opinions of the rest of his true alliance the voters would probably be more inclined to help his game along. I know I would.

Eric deserves to lose the game because he didn't follow through on his commitment.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
But you can't blame Eric entirely, if only BB told thim, you ONLY have to play America's game not yours, you're not here to win the big money, you win only for the tasks you complete, then this dilemma with Eric wouldn't exist.
If he has to play both games we can't really blame him for all the failures. BB made a mistake with this twist. America's Player should not have played his own game.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Oh, and if you want to vote for Dustin over and over.... clear your cookies...

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
And it works the same if you want to vote for Dick over and over

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Spunky, I sure hope BB never tries this again...lol. It has ruined the entire season for me so far.

Like Jimmer said, I still believe Eric is just a regular houseguest with an opportunity to earn extra cash at the direction of America. Perhaps the problem started with the title "America's Player." If Eric was meant to play for America only with no strategy of his own, BB/CBS should have specifically said that. JMO.

Sidhe
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08-09-2007

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sidhe a private message Print Post    
A quibble with the logic of "his" versus "our" game...

If, in fact, viewers were to have the kind of control some of you have alluded to with Eric's game play, then viewers would have been given an opportunity to select his allies in the house. CBS did not give viewers that option.

It follows, then, that America's Player was clearly meant to have some strategic latitude in the game. In turn, viewers that participate in the AP polling were meant to put some degree of trust in his/her instincts and keep an eye on how well their strategy is faring with the full knowledge of what's going on behind their back.

Anyone that thinks viewers should be able to force Eric to reconfigure AP's alliances on the fly or deliberately sabotage him, 'cause it's a hoot to watch him scramble before he goes down, needs to send in their own application and qualify to appear on the show (hopefully as the next America's Player).

Nothing brings clarity like walking a mile in uncomfortable shoes.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Thank you for that, Spunky. I have plenty of time to vote for Dick.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Well put, Sidhe.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sidhe, America's Player is supposed to represent us. He has latitude up to the point of doing what we tell him to do. Where he doesn't have latitude at all is the eviction vote. But Eric hasn't been playing America's game, he's been playing his own game (except for that eviction vote).

I've said this before... If Eric paid attention to what America has been saying, he wouldn't be in the predicament he's in now. He wouldn't have been the subject of a banner, he wouldn't be disliked by so many in his "alliance". The fact that Eric is playing his own end game is going to be his failing.

As far as sabotage... give me one reason why not? He's sabotaged MY votes? He's not paid attention when we said who we wanted nominated. He's sabotaged MY game!

At this point, I dislike him and his "game" enough that I'll vote how I want to vote. And if that sabotages his game, so what? It's my perogative. You, of course, can vote how you want. But I'll vote and if it makes Eric scramble, too bad so sad.

And remember this. I did not select Eric to be MY player. I didn't get a choice in that vote. So Eric just needs to suck it up and start listening to the voters. Who have never yet said we wanted Dick or Daniele nominated.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
As far as sabotage... give me one reason why not? He's sabotaged MY votes?

Eric/America is just one vote - he has to have the support of the HOH and the rest of the house to get someone evicted and make our vote count.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Sidhe,

what you're saying confirms the mistake in having Eric playing both games. It could never work.

Eric wanted to play more HIS game than America's and that got him in trouble.
He should have been there ONLY for America.

Bbpeach
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07-07-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
I don't think most people are trying to sabotage Eric's game. What we really want is for him to change his game. I think most of the people that keep saying people are sabotaging Eric's game are those that want D/D out.

As far as Eric and America being in an alliance together, imagine America as just being another houseguest. When you are in an alliance, you both work to gain info on what's going on in the house. I do believe that Eric thinks he knows much more than we do, even tho we see much more than he does.

And as far as trying to get Eric to the end or booted out, I would like to see him go to the end, for the vicarious win. I just happen to have a different idea of what that should be, and it involves working against LN5.

Hotfudge
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07-03-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hotfudge a private message Print Post    
If they do something like this next time I would just prefer if America voted for the evictee. It would be one vote out of say 10. The players are not told of the vote and are not told of the voting numbers ie "by a vote of 8 - 2 X is evicted." Instead it should just be "X you have been evicted." Then we would have people voting out alliance members and all sorts of anomynity (spelling) and backstabbing.

Govols
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07-19-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
I just thought of something.

Eric would love to be invloved (and remembered for) the best BB8 eviction ~getting Dustin out. He could talk about it for years.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
IMO, people who support Eric are being misconstrued as LNC5 fans when that is not the case at all, at least for me. I am just as ready for Dustin, Amber, and Jameka to go as the rest.

The difference for me is, I don't see Dick and Dani both being in the game as an asset to anyone but them. The longer they stay in the game, the harder it's going to be to get them evicted and I don't want that. If nominations would have stayed the same this week, I would have voted Dani out over Dick. It's not about "hating" Dick. IMO, it is the best strategical move for America's Player just like Nick was over Kail. Should Eric make it to the final 2 with let's say Jen...he will have the LNC in the jury to vote for him. Dick even said himself that Eric is by far the best player there and I agree. Sadly, it seems America would rather Dick win then our player. JMO.

As I said before, it doesn't make sense to me purposely vote against Eric and then complain when he cannot complete the task or call him a liar when he has to cover our vote. Eric/America is just one vote - he has to have the support of HOH and other houseguests to make our vote count, so it doesn't make sense to solely blame Eric for Nick's eviction. JMO.

I do NOT condone the incest comments Eric made about D/D and I understand why people are disgusted with him b/c of it. I am too. However, Dick has not only said vile things about people, he has been downright cruel to people and he played just as big of a part in Nick's eviction as Eric, yet Dick is America's favorite? I don't understand the double standards at all. JMO.

Granted, it would make for great entertainment if Dustin was evicted over Dick. If BB/CBS intended to use Eric as a means to keep the viewer's favorites and not to win, they should have named him America's Producer. JMO.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Great post, Klaw73...like you I am not a fan of the LNC5...and I am soo ready for Dustin, Amber and Jameka to go!

Your posting was super...but will anyone hear ya? Probably not! LOL

Meagain
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07-20-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meagain a private message Print Post    
I don't understand "supporting the AP". The purpose of the AP is to vote what we want him to do. Us, as individuals. The purpose isn't to vote in a way that 'he' would vote or he'd prefer us voting. He's there to do our bidding. If he doesn't like it - tough. That's what he agreed to.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Lainee: thank you. I know it's probably a lost cause, but ughhhh I feel so bad for Eric. I cannot help but support the ultimate underdog...lol.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
I repeat, I am NOT Maggie from the Friendship on BB6 and Eric is NOT my puppet. I vote the best way for him to keep him in the game longer and possibly to F2...NOT to help someone elses player get to the end. The question was, can America and Eric make it to F2 together? Not the way America is voting can we anywhere NEAR F2...

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Klaw73...I just haven't found anyone this year to truly root for. So I root for America's Player to get as far as possible. If it weren't for the twist this year, I would have quit watching BB second week in.

Edited to add: This does NOT mean that I am rooting for Eric to win. I am rooting for America to get to F2...won't happen though the way America is playing...

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Meagain: who said "supporting the AP"? If you are referring to my post, please read it again.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Lainee: we're in total agreement...lol.