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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 5: America's Player (ARCHIVES): Archive through August 14, 2007 users admin

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Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
I'm wondering why fans would prefer to have Eric in the final 2 (where we would have no vote/voice in the winning outcome) versus having him on the jury so we have a vote in the winner?

Is it just so we (America) can say that we are the best player? Or the thrill of winning? Because we love Eric and want him to have the money?

I do not want Eric in the final 2, because I want to have the option to vote on the winner. I don't care if he makes it to final 3, however.

I'm very interested in hearing the other side of this debate.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Cool beans, Klaw73! :-)

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Bicbicz911, I meant to say F3...I think in all other postings concerning this I have said F3...but can't swear to that!

Tide
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08-11-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tide a private message Print Post    
QUOTE:
Great post, Klaw73...like you I am not a fan of the LNC5...and I am soo ready for Dustin, Amber and Jameka to go!
Your posting was super...but will anyone hear ya? Probably not! LOL
END QUOTE

I heard her! And totally agree.

Those who consider AP as an employee whom they can sabotage, are indulging in "schadenfreude". Schadenfreude is loosely translated as taking pleasure or enjoyment in the misfortune or discomfort of others.

Those who wish to benefit their favorite player (Dick) by voting counter to AP's best interests, are obviously not too well versed in the concept of PARTNERSHIP.

Meagain
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07-20-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meagain a private message Print Post    
If one wants Eric to go far/farthER in the game, why on earth would one want to keep Dustin who will go after him ASAP just on his own right but moreso to split up a pair?

Him working with Dick now could save his butt because Dick will honor an agreement. Dustin is a liar/backstabber and clearly has Eric on target.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Bic, when all is said and done, it's matter of personal opinions and different interpretations of the AP role. After Eric's DR on the show Sunday, it's obvious to me that he believes he is still allowed to play his own game and do AP too. Like Lainee, I do not view Eric as my puppet, rather a houseguest who is trying to play two very different games. I blame that on BB/CBS!!! The whole thing was a dreadful mistake, IMO.

Even if Eric doesn't win, I am at least glad to have a say in who does.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Dick is who Eric/America's Player wants gone...

Also, I don't think Dustin won't go after Eric till Jen and Daniele are gone.

Jen wants to work with Daniele but not Dick...I think there has also been some talk of Jen/Daniele and Eric/Jessica working together after Dick is gone to get Dustin out.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Thank you, Tide.

Meagain, why would Eric want to evict the person who helped keep him in the game last week and save the person who helped get him on the block in the first place? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"If one wants Eric to go far/farthER in the game, why on earth would one want to keep Dustin who will go after him ASAP just on his own right but moreso to split up a pair?"

Because right now, Dick is a bigger threat to Eric than Dustin is. It's not smart to overlook the biggest current threat in the house in order to go after someone who will be a big threat next week OR the week after!.

If you leave the current biggest threat in the house in order to evict a current ally and then plan on going after the current biggest threat next week....you just might not make it to next week!

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
AP transcript from Episode 1......

Julie:

Do you ever find yourself shouting at your favorite houseguest on the TV screen because you know they are about to make a fatal mistake? If so, we have a twist just for you because for the first time in Big Brother History you, America, will be in the house.

One of our houseguests is called America’s player. This person will follow your instructions throughout the game everything from who to get out of the house to who to make out with in the house. It’s time to meet America’s player.

Eric:

So it looks like I’m going to be America’s player. Welcome to reality TV’s first alliance of 10 million. I couldn’t be more excited. We’re going to pull off reality TV history. We’re going to win this thing. I’m going to do this for the online bloggers the live feed watchers and everyone sitting on their couch who are saying like what a bunch of idiots. You guys are in full control of my destiny in this house. You’re going to be able to tell me who to vote for, who to target for nomination; your wish is my command. I’m here to give you guys what you want.

I hope America realizes this is a chance for us to be the stars of this show and send everyone else packing.

I am the quintessential BB player. I got the brains, I got the cutthroat skills, we’re going to have some fun. We’re going to bring it home, America.

Julie:

Now that you know the identity of America’s player, here’s how it will work. You will be giving directions to Eric every episode this summer starting this Sunday via text message or online at cbs.com. You give the directions and Eric must follow them. He is sure to obey you because for every 5 tasks he completes, he will have earned $10,000. Will you be able to lead Eric to the end of the game and the ½ million dollar grand prize? This summer the power is in your hands America and this is just the beginning of an exciting summer.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
"Your wish is my command" and "You give the directions and Eric must follow them".

Thanks, Milosmom. That pretty much settles it, doesn't it?

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
"Your wish is my command" and "You give the directions and Eric must follow them".

Does not say the "commands" and "directions" must be accomplished in a way that satifies EVERYONE. Neither does it guarantee that all the tasks will be completed....some are expected to fail. Eric can't force people to do what we want, any more than we could if we were in the house.

Eric only need to accomplish the tasks... nowhere does it say he has to accomplish the tasks exactly how TVCH'ers expect him too...LOL

Poor guy... I think he's doing the best he can with what's been given him...

GO ERIC

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Yep, it settles it for me. We're in alliance with Eric. It's our role to help lead Eric to the end of the game, not Dick or anyone else. He is there to win and we should be helping him, not hindering his game.

Thanks, Milosmom!!!

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
Impossible to satisfy everyone, but majority rules. Eric is required to attempt to fulfill the desires of the majority.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
Eric said its our role to help him win. NOT Julie.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
You're right, Bic, and the majority will get him evicted at this rate, IMHO.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
It may happen soon, Klaw, but at least he's made it to jury house.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Will you be able to lead Eric to the end of the game and the ½ million dollar grand prize?

That is self-explanatory, IMO. The first show was recorded. I find it hard to believe BB/CBS would have allowed Eric to introduce himself and explain his role as AP if it was not accurate. He believed we were going to help him when he accepted the role. JMO.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
I know, Bic, and honestly, I am glad he at least made it that far. I cannot help but feel sorry for him because I believe he really wants to win.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
But if my wish (or America's wish) is his command, then why didn't he campaign to get rid of Kail and not Nick?

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
He did...after he got the order Costa. I remember him sitting in the HOH, promoting Kail to be evicted and the rest of his alliance looking at him like he was nuts....

Nothing in our wishes commanded him to read our minds before the "order" was issued.

I personally do not understand why we are requiring him to do things that will most definitely cost him the game. We started sabotagueing him from the git...

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Referring to the Episode 1 transcript - They certainly made that statement vague enough to leave them plenty of wiggle room if they ever wind up in court, didn't they?

It still doesn't answer the question of whether or not Eric is breaking any AP rules. All they provided was a bare bones sound bite. It certainly isn't detailed enough to tell us exactly what Eric MUST do and whether or not he has any wiggle room in the way he does his tasks.

I don't think it tells us any more than what we've known all along.

Tresbien
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08-27-2002

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tresbien a private message Print Post    
The eviction vote is up now...vote early and often!

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Eric asked us for our support in advance b/c he knew that is where the house was headed re: Nick. To get Kail evicted, he needed the support of the majority and he simply didn't have it. The LNC all wanted Nick gone long before he was nominated and Eric got his order. It was a done deal and they completely ignored/dismissed his reasons for wanting Kail evicted. Honestly, I am not sure Eric had strong points to use b/c she wasn't playing a great game. Strategically, keeping Nick, Dani, and Dick would have been very risky.

It was a darned if you do, darned if you don't situation. I guess Eric made a mistake and he's going to continue paying for it until he is evicted. Oh well...what's done is done. I am just glad he is still in the game despite the odds against him. If he has vote for Dustin, I have a feeling it will be the end of his game and America will get their way...not much I can do about it.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 7:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
SF, there is an article at Jokers re: AP. Apparently CBS responded to the editor's questions. Eric has to give a meaningful effort to complete each task. It's up to him how goes about doing it, including how he campaigns. When it comes to the eviction vote, he has no choice (which we already knew). That's pretty vague too b/c what some perceive as "meaningful," others do not.