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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:02 pm
I respectfully disagree. I see Daniele being passive-aggressive with her behavior towards her father. I've seen her say "I don't want to talk" and start to walk away, and then turn back around and start talking.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:03 pm
And I don't think Jen is just taking it. I think she is fighting it in her own way.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:03 pm
But, if I understand right, last night they were all participating and playing a game when Dick said it. He said it as part of the game they were playing. No one in the group called him on it.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:03 pm
Costacat, I realize that as the victims it is their fault and Dick's abuse is to be accepted because they did not stop him in some way. But... Kail has done all of that and so has Jen. They've also tried justignoring him as well as throwing it back at him. In addition, they have tried agreeing with him. None of it has stopped him. So what is the next thing they should try?
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:04 pm
I've seen Dani walk away a few times and was impressed with her maturity at those moments. (And I don't really care for Dani).
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:06 pm
Why is it the victim's fault? That's ridiculous!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:09 pm
Dick is relentless in his need to make his point even when his point is only that the person he is talking to is not reacting the "right" way to his bullying behavior. Yes, anyone can sacrifice their chance for a million dollars and walk out of the house, and that's the only option they have because Dick simply does not listen to reason and he does not respect anyone else's point of view, especially about his verbally abusive behavior. Jen is the only person in the house I have seen that has successfully stood up to Dick. But then, we have to remember that the girl "ain't right" (not that there's anything wrong with that). She simply does not react to confrontation like everyone one else does. Jen is unique in her ability to react with a vacant, confused smile while Dick is screaming at her "I ******* HATE you!"
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:11 pm
I *never* said it was the victim's fault. I said it takes two.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:14 pm
I agree that it takes two....the abuser needs a victim to abuse.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:15 pm
LOL Sanfran... I really hope Jen remains that way.. But then why is Dick complaining about Amber's emotional state, if he really wants emotional reactions he should be happy with Amber's tears.. So, it seems to me, he doesn't like Jen's way and he doesn't like Amber's way... what does he like?? Maybe a 'female Dick'.. we had some in past BBs.. he picked the wrong year..
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:15 pm
How does it take two? I honestly don't get that or see that at all. It takes 2 to fight but not for abuse.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:17 pm
I think he just wants conflict and to take his anger out on someone so he doesn't turn it inward and hate himself.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:17 pm
But SanFran -- he is still after her. Maybe what one of the victims need to do is to scream bloody murder everytime Dick walks into a room they are in, and in terror demand he leave because they fear his abuse. If he tries to talk to them or even moves towards them, continue to scream telling him to get away because he is dangerous and going to hurt them. And not stop screaming until he walks out of the room. After all, it is their fault because they haven't figured out a way to make him stop. Maybe they need to become this dramatic. (Of course, a good knee to the groin might do the trick as well!)
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:18 pm
So if Dick says something abusive about someone and they aren't there, it doesn't count as an abusive statement? Or if he says something to their face and they say "Stop that's abusive" it is, and if they don't it isn't? I'm confused.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:26 pm
people are talking about Dick and his Jen comment like it was new from last night. Dick has said this before repeatedly. OFten late night, when alone and telling the cameras what he'd like to do to her. Verbal abuse requires at least another participant. still shaking my head at that perspective. it is like saying a woman being berated or maybe even Beaten is a 'participant' because she is the target. in my mind, there is a huge difference between participating in an act....and not participating/ trying to ignore the person. anyways, i think that the original sentence was probably just not the words that the person would probably like to use now. I do that all the time. Write a sentence and then realize later the Connotations it has can be taken different ways.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:31 pm
guess there were too many screencaps LOL archive only goes back to Jen's unitard. on night two I think, Dick was ranting at the cam that he wanted to Stick his foot so far up Jen's butt that she bled to death. this was said with no one else even up. the people who keep defending Dick seem to think it is part of his gameplay....he's a big softy inside. If true, why walk around muttering violent sick thoughts? it lessened when he was HOH only because his 'alliance' was around him most of the night. Something that must have been missed last night was Dick LAUGHING that he would be arrested for Spousal abuse if 'marrying' jen or kail. he said a few other things as well but I dont think i've ever seen someone popping jokes off about such a serious problem. okay, my multipost blurb is over...I'm still waking up today. need another Caffeine!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:35 pm
"But then why is Dick complaining about Amber's emotional state, if he really wants emotional reactions he should be happy with Amber's tears." I don't think Dick necessarily wants an emotional reaction. He wants submission. When he harangues Amber, he isn't looking for tears. He is looking for Amber to tell him that's he's right and that she's completely wrong as usual, that it's all her fault because she didn't see <whatever> like Dick does. It's verbally beating someone into submission that satisfies Dick. He fancies himself the alpha male silverback in a tribe of submissive female gorillas. However, he isn't nearly as "brave" with the other males in the tribe.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:38 pm
Oh I get it now... so that's what Dick likes, submission, not indifference and not an emotional wreck, well come to think of it that's exactly it!!! Oh Dick, women aren't that way anymore... ooops, at least not in most parts of the civilized world...
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:43 pm
i hate to say it....But I'm going to. I completely can see a woman drinking herself blotto everynight if Dick acted like he does in the house. Can you imagine? Like he does to Dani? I love you but you do this wrong, that wrong, this isnt good enough, if you listened TO ME you would have been okay, now you are stupid, and then over and over again, bringing things up to shove into your face? I truly hope, if any good is going to come of this show, that Dick really watches the footage with an open/ nondrugged mind and finally sees what needs to be fixed in his life. I see the same blunt sharp Mean humor in Daniele. he needs to change his legacy to his kids. They need to see he can change. BLAH, I need my caffiene
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:51 pm
Everyone is responsible for their own behavior. Dick is responsible for how he treats people. Those who tolerate that treatment are responsible for letting him get away with it. In isolation, often someone who is very derogatory toward another will wear them down, to the point that they start believing the put downs. These folks are isolated from their usual support system, the people they trust. And honestly, they do not know who they can trust in the BB 'game'. However, they are not totally isolated in that they have each other. So, I'm of mixed feelings about this. IRL I would never tolerate someone speaking to me the way Dick does. I would tell them to stop, and then leave if they didn't. But then, I am older than most of the HGs, and sometimes that is something that comes with age and self confidence. So, while I don't think it's any excuse for Dick's behavior; I do wish some of them would be more assertive in the face of his verbal persecution.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:54 pm
What is "IRL"?
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:57 pm
In real life.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 2:04 pm
Thanks.
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Bubba
Member
07-29-2005
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 2:17 pm
The way Dick was talking about what he would do sexually to Jen, Kail, and Julie last night shows a total lack of respect for women in general. <77> I can see why Dani hasn't spoken to him for two years.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 2:29 pm
Good lord! He wants to do something to Julie Chen? Dare I ask what it is?
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