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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 5: Dustin and Amber's Dog Conversation: Archive through July 30, 2007 users admin

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Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Hyper, I didn't hear that conversation. I just went back in the archieves. I posted saying I was leaving and that my feeds had timed out right before the postings about what was said started. Before that were stories of animal cruelty that I can't listen to either.

I too am appaled at what was said just moments after I left or as I was leaving. I wouldn't have gotten any sleep that night my blood would have been boiling mad.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, i wasn't trying to argue, i am just surprised that something like this would be passed over.

i am not trying to say what people should or should post, i am just surprised that someone from that night didn't start this thread. just my opinion but it doesn't seem like people thought it was worthy of discussion, yet other silly stuff the hgs were doing seemed more important to discuss. i am not just saying on this board, but other bb communities as well.

i think i will go stand next to ladytex and bang my head right along with her.

ETA:

i can see how people here didn't know. there were no live feeds posted from 9pm until 5am that night.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
It was discussed right after it happened in Current House Happenings. It got very heated and was stopped by the mods.<57>

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
my question remains ... would he have named that dog that if it were any other color? if not, what does that make him regardless of the cultural standards of today?

What555456
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06-14-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Dustin's and Amber's actions and particularly Dustin's comments and his naming of his dog is despicable. It is even more despicable, I think, because Dustin as a gay man knows what bigotry can do.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Absoluely What........one would think that he has at least an understanding of bigotry.When Jameka finaly finds out about this conversation after the game ends,I hope she shames these two.

They will be mortified to have been "outed" and to know that the internet people have talked about them and talked about them badly. What I also find amusing about Dustin and Amber is the high esteem in which they obviously hold themselves.Hopefully they will go up next week.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
One thing that I find fascinating is that Amber seems to genuinely like Jameka and think well of her. They read the bible together and Amber relies on Jameka to interpret it for her. So she obviously respects her.

So how could Amber not find Dustin's comments offensive?

Jcsmom
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08-25-2006

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jcsmom a private message Print Post    
Is that Dustin's dog's name, like actual name, or is it just what he calls him, you know intead of "sweetie"---either way---i liked Dustin until that, now---he needs to go!! It just seems like Dustin is jykl and hyde---he was one of my favorites until he got HOH (talk about a power trip) ---- and now this whole dog thing--- i'm done with him!!!

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Jimmer I am sure that Amebr does like Jameka, that does not mean that one would not use racist words. The difference is that the converaation was held in front of many people < us >. Most people with 2 brain cells would be more discreet.
Dumb,dumb move as far as keeping respect of people in the rel world, \but that is my opinion in my little world.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Marameko, there were many people calling them some horrible names based on Dustins comment. That is not his dog's name, just something he called him, we don't know if he called the dog that once or every day. I made a comment that someone I knew had a white dog they called "honkey" and once my son called his black dog "monkey" when referring to the African Race was not his intent. I also said that people can make stupid comments without being racist. I also said that as a middle school teacher in an inner-city school, though I tell my students not to use that word, it has become desentitized in it's true meaning. It is used by young people today as a means of brotherhood, and silly banter, just like Bit** is. I don't agree with it but I can understand how this happens...<57>

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
well, maybe those young kids need to be educated on that word instead of it being blown off.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
It's never "blown off"..but it is praised in their music and many of their parents use the word as well. We can only do so much. WE DO Educate them, but you can lead a horse to water..etc.

Guinevere
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03-15-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Guinevere a private message Print Post    
Well, we've gone round and round on this on the News & Views board, and I tend to think that context matters. I don't see Dustin calling his dog the n-word as directly equivalent to young AA males calling each other that in a fraternal way.

What gets me is that I just don't understand what sort of person Dustin is, that he thinks it's okay (cute? funny?) to call his dog by such an offensive word and than furthermore, he admits this to Amber and the entire internet audience.

So while using the word itself doesn't tag Dustin as a racist, to me, the fact that he doesn't get how inappropriate it is does make me wonder.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
So while using the word itself doesn't tag Dustin as a racist, to me, the fact that he doesn't get how inappropriate it is does make me wonder.

That was my point exactly..surmising someone might have some racist issues is not the same thing as determining from one comment that he indeed a racist. I am not defending him but I am not going to label him either.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
he not only calls his dog n*gger, he stated that his dog did not like black people and she was prejudice against her own kind

that just bugs the shit out of me.

Guinevere
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03-15-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Guinevere a private message Print Post    
Okay, can we agree to judge him, though?

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
absolutely, and we can also agree that he has serious foot in mouth disease.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think there are different kinds of racism. I think there is overt racism where people actively dislike black people.

Then I think there is the Dustin and Amber kind of racism. If we were to ask Dustin and Amber if they are racist I'm sure they would vehemently deny it. Amber would probably cry over the thought that we would suggest it.

They like Jameka! They don't think they are racist. They think they are being funny or silly. They think they are talking about a dog.

I'm not defending them. I'm just trying to suggest what their viewpoint might be on this.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 4:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
What can we do?
I'm not satisfied with voting to tell America's Player to try to put Dustin on the block. Besides, the ones who saw & heard or read about Dustin's words are not going to be the only voters. AC would probably end up with "JEN" again!

I understand there's no youtube of it. But does that mean we have no grounds to demand a Dustin pull-out?

I kinda liked Dustin before this also. ...

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 6:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I wonder if they would have had that convo in Jameka's presence.

I like this saying and 'try' to live by it

"may all your words coil on your head for all to hear"

If the UK BB evicted someone for saying the word why dont they do it here??

Dustin and Amber cant leave soon enough for me

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
and why ISNT there a youtube of it?? thousands of ppl watch and record feeds, there are thousands of youtubes out there and NO ONE caught this convo????? how can that be?

Dogmommy
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09-10-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogmommy a private message Print Post    
What if the dog was overweight and Dustin called the dog "fatty" or "porky"? How many of ya'll would be upset about that? What if the dog was a white lab and Dustin called him "Honky" or "whitey"? How many of ya'll would be upset at that?
About 20 years ago, I had a doberman who didn't like black people... because her previous owner was black and beat the crap out of her! Everytime she saw a black person after I got her, she was on the defense... ready to attack any black person she saw. Does that make her or I racist?

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Fatty, porky, honky and whitey are not even on the same level as the "n" word.

Snee
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06-26-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snee a private message Print Post    
hunh. so maybe joe was right after all. he did say that everyone always loves dustin initially, but doesn't (pp) after a while.

wow, miss a day on the boards and "stuff" happens. i am disgusted with dustin and amber both.

Dogmommy
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09-10-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogmommy a private message Print Post    
What makes the "N" word worse than being called a "fat whale"? Why is the "N" word worse than being called a "spic" or a "slant eyes" or a "honkey"? How many white people do you know who call each other " honky or whitey"? How many Hispanics do you hear calling each other "wet backs" or "spics"? Why is it okay for black people to call each other the "N" word in rap songs but it's not okay if others do it?
As far as being called "Fatty and porky", that's a name that everyone who is overweight is called, no matter what their ethnicity, is called... and it hurts! No matter what your race is!