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Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Can't disagree with that, EM! (Edited to add that is in reference to your 11:39 post.)

Although truthfully, I could do without the real nasty bashing stuff from any of them. It's part of BB, but I've never enjoyed it or felt it was necessary. Dick is one of the worst I've heard, but there have been others just as bad. Boogie, Jase and Howie are good examples. All said really awful, hateful things about women that had little to nothing to do with the game.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I always enjoy it when you are online EM. I am not one to blame the victim of a crime and do not understand those who do.

But when you are here ceaselessly and without hesitation supporting, tolerating, accepting and understanding Dick against any and all comers and always bringing it back to it's the victim's fault, you give me a very interesting perspective into that mindset.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
JEN is not complaining about it. I AM! It's not okay.

You don't ever acknowledge that he's saying things that are not acceptable. Who cares how the person reacts? It's what he's saying that is the problem.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
And you are also blaming Jen for not defending herself and being a crybaby? She's not been a craybaby in the least and it's the victim you are ragging on, not the one who says completely disturbing things?

Wink
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10-06-2000

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wink a private message Print Post    
EM I don't think Jen is a crybaby, at least not about her sessions with Dick. I think the fact that she doesn't respond to his diatribes really puts him off his game. She is helping him dig his hole and has obviously turned many posters around in their original impression of her. Response to all his bluster is what he wants. He doesn't get it with Jen.

He'll get his 15 minutes from BB cause he didn't succeed in getting it in the real world and that's fine if he's willing to settle for that.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
What's sad is that I also think there are many who didn't care when he said stuff like that about Kail or Jen, but now that people are liking Jen more, now it's offensive.

It should be for anyone he says it about, rather than just someone you like.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Well I just wrote a reply about all this for another thread that isn't currently accepting replies (dunno why). But since it is on topic here as well, might as well put it somewhere hehe.

I can only speak for my take on this, but the reason Dick's words don't bother me as much as they ordinarily would is because he is ALL talk, and I really believe for whatever reason he is playing it up for his strategy. When he talks to himself, or if you read his blog, you can see he is intelligent, funny, and not that crass characature he behaves as in the house.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm in no way justifying it, and if I were in there I would have told him to lose some of it a long time ago (and I think it would be in his best interest to tone it down too). But he reminds me of a kid who is using bad words just for shock value, not because he means what he is saying. If I felt the slightest bit of malice w/them I would be far more upset.

Also, I look at the sweet, bible quoting/toting HG breaking most of the commandments, backstabbing each other, being two faced, and behaving genuinely badly. So I guess that has given me more patience for someone just spouting off, but who has not done any of those other things. But I sure wish he would <77> sometimes too!

And as for the Amber comments earlier, I've heard her gone on and on about her drug use, kinky stuff, and tons of behaviors that don't fit that 'nice girl image' CBS is showing. So I can't really fault him making a drug comment to her, albiet innappropriate, as I think it is very much a part of her life, not to mention why she behaves as she does a good portion of the time.

Bottom line, I don't condone either, but I prefer idiotic words with no ill intent vs truly meanspirited ones. All JMHO. I know others will see it differently and I can't fault them on this truthfully.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Even if Dick didn't say it to Jen's face, I would imagine there are friends and family who were extremely upset by the things that were being said about her. He says really digusting things that offend me and I don't even know Jen.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
You don't ever acknowledge that he's saying things that are not acceptable. Who cares how the person reacts? It's what he's saying that is the problem.

I think that if you don't like him and someone else posts anything about him, it's assumed that they are saying everything he says and does is accpetable..That is not true..read the posts, many many times I have agreed that he has not been appropriate. I said "I'm not going to give Jen a pass if she sits there and takes it from him"..I don't know what part of that says I think he is right for doing it. If you are throwing a tantrum it has no effect if it has no audience. Perhaps, since she is a Nanny she know this, and by sitting there she gives the viewer a chance to hate him for what he says to her. Maybe just maybe this is her game.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Does anyone think Dick would stop if Jen became angry and upset? Wouldn't she just be playing into what he wants her to do?

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i agree with lurk. he's saying it for shock value and guess what...you're shocked!!! he's also does it to rattle the other hgs so they concentrate more on what he's saying then the game.

Wink
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10-06-2000

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wink a private message Print Post    
Jimmer exactly. That guy is gettin no satisfaction from that girl.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
EM, she wasn't sitting there though. You said she was and then someone pointed out she wasn't. You didn't know that she was or wasn't there.

Wink's post made a lot of sense. Jen is good for not responding to his madness, because he is trying to get her to respond to it.

But saying what he said is not acceptable, and you did go on about her being a crybaby.

I don't think Dick's totally awful. I do see him being a softy at times. But. I don't condone the way he talks about people.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
The thing is, Dick doesn't talk to people as much as he interrogates them and he does so after forcing his way into the conversation in a very intrusive way. He doesn't look for give and take, he just wants to force a person to submit to the verbal abuse he chooses to give.

"Sanfranjoshfan, that may be exactly what Daniele chose to do for exactly that reason."

That's exactly how I see it.

"I don't know that I'd call ED toxic."

I guess it depends on your definition of toxic.

As I see it, anyone in the house can be in a good mood and Dick can walk in and start a causal conversation that eventually turns into an emotional bashing. He walks away feeling better and the person he just verbally bashed feels angry and frustrated.

He has a pathological need to force people to submit to his point of view, even if there is no point to it. He wants others to give him the respect that he doesn't have for himself. The problem is, he doesn't understand that there is a huge difference between being intimidated and being respectful.

Dick is not a happy person and I don't think he ever will be. I see him as angry and bitter and immature and needy and he constantly takes it out on everyone around him. To me, that is toxic.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
It's still not appropriate or acceptable.

Jimmer, agreed.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
I really believe for whatever reason he is playing it up for his strategy. When he talks to himself, or if you read his blog, you can see he is intelligent, funny, and not that crass characature he behaves as in the house.

Gosh, Lurk, when I read Dick's blog I thought the opposite, that the really crude things he says are typical of him!

Here's another link to some of Dick's on-line bon mots, this time on a heavy metal site.

http://tinyurl.com/3apkcx

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
And that makes it okay?

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
I don't think Dick's totally awful. I do see him being a softy at times. But. I don't condone the way he talks about people.

ITA.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Jimmer -- of course he wouldn't stop. It would simply egg him on. Kail has begged him to stop, even agreed with him, and he still continues to tell her she is stupid, hated in the house, etc. etc. Kail has walked away and he follows her wherever she goes, abusing her and taunting her. And if she is not around, he does it with his followers.

He will keep pushing and pushing until he gets Jen. And if she got up and left, he would follow her and continue to berate her, as he has done several times. If she cries, he will use that against her. If she laughs, he uses that against her.

You see, she is the victim and she is at fault. Dick is just being Dick and we have to accept him. He can say in the house that he wants to crush all the tiny bones in her neck or sodomize her until she bleeds, but as his defenders like to point out -- they are POSITIVE he doesn't really mean these things and is one swell upstanding guy when he is not in the house.

Wink
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10-06-2000

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wink a private message Print Post    
Sanfran love your post and totally agree.

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
Still his words are being defended. I truly don't get it.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I'll defend his words because he is playing a game. I'll choose whether I want to defend his words if and when I meet him outside the game.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I have never heard anyone say that What555, I'm sorry that's what you have surmised.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Actually, I really like Dick when he isn't being crude. He seems to do the bashing of Jen and others when he is in a group. The more response he gets, the more crude he becomes, IMO. I don't think Jen would care what Dick said about her, but if she knew others agreed with him and joined in his opinions, it would hurt her. Does that make sense?

Jen
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07-27-2003

Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
I don't think his words about making someone bleed through a sexual act are about game. I think they're about his anger at that person. He's not scheming, he's reacting to her not doing what he wants. So, that's the reaction you get to someone who doesn't do what you want? Very scary.