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Jenhavins
Member
08-23-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:41 am
I don't like Eric either. I was okay with Eric until Kail and Nick were up for eviction. Eric and Amber were the ones pushing for Nick to go. Dick was willing to go with the house, and also had concerns that he might be using Dani. Eric fought for Nick to go, then flipped out when America wanted Kail to go. Another side of Eric showed up the day that Kail vote was revealed. I will be very happy to see him walk out.
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Stopthemadness
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:46 am
Dick pushed for Nick to be put on the block therefore he is responsible for Nick's evection. He decieded AFTER he got him put on the block to trust him but by then it was to lates and ED had sealed Nick's fate. Stop blaming Eric, ED wanted him gone but then changed his mind, you can't have it both ways.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:48 am
Everybody sees it differently
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:03 am
I do think Eric lied........<100> But, he has the same right to lie in the house as anyone else does. I think where Eric shot himself in the foot is when he tried to overplay his game knowing he had to follow our wishes. He tried to surcumvent our wishes as it applied to Nick and that got him in trouble with the fans who feel he works for us. If I had an employee who screwed me like he did us he would be in the unemployment line. I think thats why many people have turned on him. He somehow thinks we should go with what he chooses but he better wake up and smell the roses. We want him to play our game and if he plays along he could go farther in the game. If he continues to resist he will be history soon. Didn't CBS make it clear he is AMERICA's Player that means there is no Eric's player. Yikes and they think he is sooooo smart. I think he is such a <100> for disregarding our intentions when we see many things that happen inside the house that he doesn't know about. He has such an advantage over the other hamsters if he chose to use it.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:17 am
You can hate Eric or you can love Eric but the bottom line is CBS lied to someone(Either Eric or America)about how this twist was supposed to work." I don't understand how anyone can be upset about whether or not Eric is fulfilling his agreement to be the AP. NO ONE HAS SEEN THAT AGREEMENT. I don't know what it says and no one here knows what it says. No one has seen the main provisions and no one has seen the fine print, so I don't understand it when people claim he is going back on it. Says who? I guess it must be all the psychics that are trained in contract law. I see a lot indignation because some viewers' favorites are losing the game, but no facts about how he's not living up to his contract. Where's the evidence? If Eric is going to be criticized, why not keep it contained to criticizing his behavior rather than <77> for going against an agreement that no one has ever seen?
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:19 am
ahhhhhhh, SF...I love your posts.
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Cousin_jake
Member
07-04-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:23 am
I've saved my indignation for Eric's foul mouth <77>. (Same for Dick) His behaviour and his comments have been deplorable. (as have Dick's) I find Eric almost unwatchable on the feeds. Now that we have a vote for which of the final 2 we want to win, he can leave with my blessing!
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Wavelength
Member
07-25-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:19 pm
How many of the people who have won in this game have not lied? And regarding Eric's foul mouth Cousin, I think it is sometimes a strategy for him because he knows it won't be aired.
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Wavelength
Member
07-25-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:23 pm
And, Costacat I can't believe that not one person even suspected Amber or asked her questions. ??
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:27 pm
I know, Wavelength. She got all freaky and no one said a thing! Eric spent all Wednesday evening telling everyone he's never lied. But he lied just by saying that. So there! How's THAT!
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:55 pm
Sanfranjoshfan...I totally agree! Brilliantly written! 
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Chicogirl
Member
07-23-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:08 pm
Here is an interview with CBS on America's Player ------------------------------------------------- What Can Eric Do? CBS Answers RNO’s Questions about America’s Player by David Bloomberg -- 08/08/2007 America’s Player, Eric, has been given a wide variety of tasks in his weeks within the Big Brother house. But each time, new questions have come up regarding what he can and cannot do. Is he allowed to vote differently from what America says? Does he have to attempt every task? RealityNewsOnline went to the source, and CBS answered our questions. View Printable version of this article As Big Brother 8 has progressed, questions have come up about America’s Player, Eric, and what he can or can’t do. Indeed, many people have speculated and debated these points. But I decided to go to the source, CBS, to find out. One thing I think would be nice is to have a running tally of how Eric is doing on his tasks. We haven’t seen one, but CBS told me, “As of Thursday’s show (8/2), Eric has completed 7 of 9 America’s Player tasks.” This means he’s earned $10,000 so far, and is three tasks away from another ten grand, as he gets that much for every five tasks completed. It would appear one task he failed is sleepwalking into Joe’s bed until Joe woke up (we saw him get a “buzz” for that one). As for the other, I’m not entirely sure. He failed in his attempt to get Kail evicted this past week and the week before. That would seem like at least three failures. However, the wording is sometimes different on his tasks – in some cases he has to attempt things, in others he has to succeed. So perhaps that’s the situation here. Like I said, it would be nice to see a running tally of how he’s doing. But what does Eric actually have to do when given an America’s Player task? Can he ignore it if he wants, such as if he thinks it will hurt his standing in the house? In short, no. CBS said, “Once Eric is given his America's player task, he must make a meaningful [effort] to complete the task.” However, he is not told how to do it. As CBS told me, “His methods of campaigning or completing the task are his own.” So, for example, when he was told to vandalize somebody’s belongings, he was presumably not told to use mustard on a shirt – that was his own idea. A key point that I have been concerned about – at least privately if not specifically mentioned in any of my articles to date – is that Eric has never actually cast an eviction vote. Julie Chen would bring him in and they would chat, but his vote was always assumed to be that cast by America. Since I thought these were suggestions given by America, with a cash prize for everything he accomplished, I figured Eric could choose to vote differently from America if it was to his advantage. For example, we have seen how his two votes that were different from the majority have been causing Eric problems this week. I figured he would have been smart to vote with the house, forsaking one of his tasks for a better shot at the big prize at the end. But CBS dispelled that notion for me, simply saying, “Eric's eviction vote is always America's vote.” So in other words, he does not have a choice. We are not advising Eric on what he should do, we are telling him what he must do in terms of voting. He can tell America how he wants us to vote, but once we give him his orders, he’s stuck with ‘em. And frankly, that’s where things get difficult. We tell him who we want him to target on Tuesday nights. But a lot can happen between Tuesday and Thursday in the Big Brother house. So America is operating at a disadvantage, and putting Eric at a disadvantage as well. Of course, America can also vote based on anything they want, including whether they want a particular player in the house for reasons other than Eric’s strategy! Many people are sick of seeing Jen, so she becomes a target. Same with Kail. Meanwhile, the house strategy shifts and Eric is left out in the cold. But it also becomes a test of Eric’s abilities. Can he lie well enough to convince people he was not the one who cast the dissenting vote? As we have seen, the most recent answer is “no” – though he was additionally hurt by a banner plane and by Dick and Daniele’s illogical logic that accidentally reached the correct conclusion. One RNO staffer wondered if Eric could reveal his status as America’s Player to the other houseguests, perhaps as a strategy to avoid getting evicted. For example, I just mentioned how Dick and Daniele came to a conclusion about how Eric was supposedly trying to set up Nick and then Daniele, ascribing all sorts of evil conspiracy theories to him (like that he’s been in an alliance with Kail and Jen all along). If Eric felt he was in a situation where he might be evicted because of these stories, could he admit to being America’s Player and say, “Hey, I was just doing what I was told”? Maybe that would get them to ease up a bit. Alas, no. CBS told me clearly, “Eric cannot tell the other houseguests that he is America's Player.” So that ends that possibility. Where does that leave Eric? In an interesting position. He has already won some money and might win more. But he also has been restricted from playing the game he wanted to play. Given that he was described as such a Big Brother enthusiast, I can certainly see why some of his family members expressed concerns when it was revealed that Eric is America’s Player. We don’t know exactly how Eric would have played differently without orders from America, but we can pretty well guarantee that he would not have cast those lone votes that drew so much attention. And without those votes, everything that has taken place since then would have likely been very different indeed. Eric is certainly in a difficult position. Until this week, he was handling it admirably. With last night’s episode, it seems like the producers really have it in for him – he’s in a tough spot and they want him to flatter somebody incessantly. That can only make things worse, no matter who it is. Hopefully, though, he can pull things back together and overcome the situation he’s found himself in while still following America’s dictates. We’ll see if he can do it.
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Kaili
Member
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:12 pm
Thanks...that was interesting.
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Chicogirl
Member
07-23-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:16 pm
It clears a few cans and can'ts with me. The part about having to make a meaningful effort shows me he's not really playing for us, like he's suppose to.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:22 pm
meaningful effort = subjective
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:44 pm
quote:CBS told me, “As of Thursday’s show (8/2), Eric has completed 7 of 9 America’s Player tasks.”
OK, CBS is full of bull. If you look at the chart on the America's Player page here, on 8/2 there had been a total of 12 tasks, of which Eric completed 7. HE COMPLETED 7 OF 12 TASKS!!!
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:48 pm
Costa, the chart here doesn't state when the tasks were completed... only when they were issued. Are you sure the 10th, 11th and the 12th tasks were completed by Aug 2nd?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:51 pm
A couple of other things about this "article." First of all, apparently only four questions were addressed by CBS: 1. How many tasks has Eric completed? (And the numbers CBS gave were wrong!) 2. Can Eric choose not to do a task? (No, he must make a "meaningful" effort to complete it.) 3. Can Eric cast a vote to evict other than what America said> (No.) 4. Can Eric tell the HGs that he is the twist? (No.) So, really, what got answered? Not a lot. We already knew all of the answers. The only "gotcha" is the word "meaningful." Who's interpretation of "meaningful" applies here? Does the three seconds he spent trying to get into Joe's bed count as meaningful? I don't think so. Does the mustard squirt count as meaningful? Yes. Does his campaigning to evict Nick, and then finding out America wanted Kail out, and THEN spending what? Five minutes trying to say "Don't listen to what I'm saying but I think we should evict Kail" count? Nope. "Meaningful" is such a subjective word, and who's the ruling entity? BB?
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:52 pm
I couldn't find that article on CBS.COM or anywhere else except for message boards and BB blogs where it was posted by message board posters and bloggers. Edited to add - Is there a link to an actual CBS source that proves this article is legitimate? I know at least in the News & Views section of TVclubhouse, a link to the source of copied articles is required to prove their authenticity.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:56 pm
I find the interpretation of the "us" Eric is playing for to be interesting. All too often the votes don't represent what I'd like Eric to do! Also "America" is voting emotionally and inconsistently. If America votes for him to evict Dustin instead of Dick not only will I be very disappointed, Eric will really be screwed in the game. If there's a 4-2 vote to evict Dustin it will be clear that Eric has abandoned the person "America" asked him to go to the F2 with- Jessica! I don't see how Eric could recover from that.
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:58 pm
Kep421 Member 08-11-2001 Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:48 pm Costa, the chart here doesn't state when the tasks were completed... only when they were issued. Are you sure the 10th, 11th and the 12th tasks were completed by Aug 2nd? 10. July 29th Which catch phrase should Eric start in the BB House? I'd do that for a dollar! ????? We don't know how long they gave him to complete this task in...but I would say by now, it was a Failed 11. July 31st Who should Eric try to get evicted? Kail Failed This would have been completed by August 2nd... 12. Aug 1st Who should Eric try to get nominated? Jen Succeeded (1) This would not have been a complete since nominations were till later?
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:00 pm
David Bloomberg is the Editor at RealityNewsOnline.com. He's written several BB related articles.
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Chicogirl
Member
07-23-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:01 pm
http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article7214.art&page=1 There ya go.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:02 pm
http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article7214.art&page=1
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:02 pm
LOL Chico, thought I double posted.
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Chicogirl
Member
07-23-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:07 pm
LOL, so did I. They can't say they don't have the source now. 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:10 pm
Regardless of what we think of Eric's efforts to complete his tasks, I am totally frustrated with BB/CBS' unwillingness to tell us whether or not he has succeeded or failed each task. It is a typical BB/CBS half-hearted approach to things. 
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:17 pm
Thanks Bicbicz and Chicogirl. I guess I'd be more impressed with that article if it was actually a CBS article instead of one from a reality show web site. It comes across as pretty vague and useless overall, IMHO. It didn't say anything we don't already know and we didn't need to talk to a CBS source to figure it out, nor do we have access to the actual rules for BB or AP.
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Chicogirl
Member
07-23-2007
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:00 pm
I know during casting, the CBS site has the rules for the show posted with the application. A friend of mine was going to try out, but got married instead.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:56 pm
No offense to David Bloomberg or anyone but... an editor of a reality show web site does not necessarily imply a legitimate source. In fact, no actual source at CBS was named. It would be akin to one of our moderators writing an "article" here and posting it here, and quoting "CBS" but without citing the actual source. Um, yeah, our mods can say pretty much anything they want. They could say the sky is falling if they wanted. Ditto with what David Bloomberg writes. I would place a lot more credence if he cited actual sources. Cause "CBS told me" just doesn't buy much, in my opinion. And 99% of the article was the EDITOR'S viewpoint. ETA: Dang. I just realized. I think SFJF and I are agreeing, for once this season. Gasp!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:58 pm
"I think SFJF and I are agreeing, for once this season. Gasp!"

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