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Rubyroo77
Member
08-13-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:37 am
It's nice to see that there are men here at the clubhouse, too, who don't like Dick's verbal abuse..you were raised right!
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:38 am
Did you think before yesterday that he would spill his tea on her? CBS must think ahead to what could happen. They threw what's his name out for throwing a chair. Just throwing it. It wasn't AT anyone. Jen wouldn't have to respond in any way if she wasn't being abused. <55>
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Rubyroo77
Member
08-13-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:42 am
Angel- have you even heard the horrible, sadistic things that dick has called jen? There is no excuse for it. He is seething when he says it- just look at his eyes. He can't control her and she smiles at him, and doesn't let him affect her on the outside, and he hates that!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:43 am
BTW to be factually correct Jen NEVER made a comment about not wanting Dick to touch her because of his smoking until WELL after when he called her out on it and she needed an excuse. She bumbled and stumbled until she came up with that one then ran with it. During the comp she said (and this was televised) that he was gross and she didn't want him touching her. It was very early in the game, he barely had said anything to her, and was a charming comment for her to make to the entire group (NOT!). This again shows how those 2 wrongs don't make a right. Jen has done many things to antagonize, insult and belittle Dick. And I don't feel he had a right to go as far as he has. But I don't feel she was right in her actions either. And while I don't feel Dick was right w/the icedd tea, I finally watched the clip and it was done very calmly as he walked by. Again, I AM NOT DEFENDING THIS BEHAVIOR OR SAYING HE WAS RIGHT. But I am saying it was not done in a hostile, threatening or aggressive manner that would indicate violence. So to me to assume one will lead to the next based on this doesn't make sense. I think the entire house needs a time out as most of them are playing like spoiled little kids versus strategic adults. JMHO as always.
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Lucas
Member
07-01-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:44 am
insignificant? The tea was insignificant? It was the next step is what it was.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:46 am
Ruby, Yes I've watched it and I've heard what he has said to her. I don't condone for one minute the nasty things he says to her. I don't condone pouring tea on her either. HOWEVER I didn't find him pouring tea on her harmful. I dont think he'd do anything else to her (in a physical way) Jen follows him, she baits him..he's gotta learn not to take her bait if he can do that then he will be okay and it will make Jen look bad. Every year something like this happens and people go nuts, start emailing CBS, sponsors and whoever else they can. However CBS chose to let him remain in the house saying he did not cross the line (But that he was close to crossing it) so I think everyone should relax and see how the next few days pan out! to say that a houseguest is going to give someone a black eye is BASHING according to the rules of this site and I think it's a bit overboard.
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:47 am
You have been defending his behavior since day 1. LOL
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:47 am
"Sanfran, you are taking that way to far saying she will need to suffer a black eye. Your comment is crossing the line on this board. I HIGHLY doubt it would ever come to that!" You highly doubted that he would cross the line to a physical act against Jen and he did exactly that. Where would YOU would draw the line with Dick's abuse of Jen? Somewhere between tea pouring and a black eye? You keep saying that Jen was "not harmed" so it appears you feel Jen needs to suffer physical damage of some kind before anything is done about it. She has already suffered verbal abuse that has escalated to a physical level. Exactly what kind of damage do you feel Jen should suffer at the hands of Dick before you think he has gone too far?
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:47 am
Pouring tea on her was physical. He moved from words to action against her. He said himself he can't control himself around her. It's physical.
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Joyfuld
Member
08-16-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:50 am
Dicks behavior is juvenile. He can't take stress or criticism. He lashes out much like a child when one doesn't get there way. I remember Dani saying he was like a < mean friend > I get that. He is into taunting and verbal abuse and badgering. I haven't seen him talk bad to anyone except Kail and Jen. I don't think he would do the same to a man. BB won't do anything. They let Janelle and Bo get into a physical altercation and did nothing.
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Doublethink
Member
08-23-2006
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:50 am
Lurk, you may very well be right that he barely had said anything to her. But this was the first week and we were not privy to what went on in the house in the first week. I find it unfair that a whole lot of judging is going on to justify behavior based on the first episode. What we saw was BB's edited version of the events to fit their storyline. We don't know what went on in that house, and what may have led up to Jen's insensitive comments. How do we know that Dick hadn't been saying the sorts of things he is saying to her now?
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Rubyroo77
Member
08-13-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:50 am
Angel- huh? SanFran didn't say anything wrong..why would that be against the rules of this site?
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:56 am
"to say that a houseguest is going to give someone a black eye is BASHING according to the rules of this site and I think it's a bit overboard." I did NOT say that "a houseguest is going to give someone a black eye." You are putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate it. THIS is what I said: "Dick is not innocent. He abuses Jen. Millions of people have seen it. As I understand it, Dick has been warned by BB in the DR....TWICE. Jen has not. Unfortunately, it looks like Jen will have to suffer a black eye or bruises around her throat before BB will finally decide step and do something".
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:57 am
I was answering Ruby's question. That's all.
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Marej
Member
09-20-2002
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:57 am
Dani asked him last night not to tell anyone that she wanted to leave and he told a few people. He thinks that he got Kail to bow down and crumple that he can do the same to Jen. But Jen just sits there and takes it and he doesn't seem to understand that she won't run away and hide under the covers.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:57 am
Yes that is what you said and YOU are implying that Dick will do that to her!!!!!!!!
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Optimystic
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:58 am
Wow, I watched ShoToo just a little while ago, and I'm absolutely horrified at the things Dick is saying to Jen, and I haven't liked her from day one. I'm less worried about who is right or wrong, and more worried by the day as to what has become "entertainment". I'm no prude, and have been known to use a foul word now and again, but some of these people don't know how to talk without using 5 f-words in a sentence. It's getting really hard to listen to. Then add on Dick's seriously vile Jen bashing, and I'm really worried about our world. If this kind of extremely neurotic behavior has become entertainment, we're in seriously deep doo doo, people! CBS needs to do something.
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Joyfuld
Member
08-16-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:00 pm
Dicks behaviour makes me very uncomfortable. Given his age I guess I expected better. I did complain to CBS about the tea dumping episode but I doubt they care.
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Rubyroo77
Member
08-13-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:02 pm
It's ok Jen..this is a place where we are ALL entitled to our opinion. I know that there are many who go to the "Dick fan club" thread, and that is a great place to go if you are a fan. This thread is a place where we are discussing Dick's dislike or hatred of women. Some people have called us ED haters. I for one don't hate anyone- but I do hate verbal abusive behavior and I don't condone it. A big guy should never tower over a woman and call her sadistic names- a real man would be able to control his temper and walk away- no matter what a woman said to egg him on.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:05 pm
a real man would be able to control his temper and walk away- no matter what a woman said to egg him on. So she does get "a pass"..huh???
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:08 pm
No. I don't think she's done anything in invoke this behavior. And I don't agree with that line.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:08 pm
Doublethink, if you reread my posts I hope you will see my intent. Which was not to take ANYONE'S side, but rather to say how one being wrong doesn't justify another one. IE, I think Jen was wrong to say what she did about Dick at the comp. I think Dick was wrong to attack her with ugly language. I think Jen was wrong to behave in a way that looked like baiting to me to get Dick to yell more. I then think Dick was wrong to go at her even more verbally attackful. I could go back and forth like this for a few paragraphs and that would bring us to the tea incident. My ONLY point is that Dick being wrong doesn't make Jen right IMHO, or vice versa. I think there are many wrongs going on in that house, and some of the posts scare me as much as Dick's words do. One thing I would agree w/is we are being very judgemental out here (which is part of being a BB fan of course) but there is much we don't know about behind the scenes and that we have missed. I would love to have seen how everyone interacted that first week. One last point...we don't know exactly who the DR has warned about what. Jen was plotting with Kail to aggravate Dick and make him cross a line. And how she should play up being scared when she really wasn't. I personally didn't care for that at all, and turned off the feeds shortly after as I find that type of behavior horrid. To me, it's why many folks don't believe women when they say they are scared. So I personally had a hard time w/that. I wouldn't be suprised if they called Jen to task for that, but we don't know about it. I hope they did personally, just as I feel they absolutely should have told Dick to stop! My bottom line though is it's very hard when you post anything that isn't basically "Dick is Evil, he needs to be thrown out." I personally feel that if I make any other comment, no matter how reasonable, it's not ok if it's not 100% against Dick. I don't care if others disagree w/me, but please respect my right to my viewpoint. And I still don't see how "2 wrongs don't make a right" is giving Dick undo postivite treatment etc lolol
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:10 pm
Dick doesn't hate women...maybe he severely dislikes certain women. Of course, that comes out in what he has said, right or wrong. To say hatred towards women...it's not right, there is no hatred...and to generalize towards all women, that's even worse. It's a game, and unfortunately we have no time and sit there and analyze everything little thing about that house. It's a game, it's a tv show, if you don't like what is going on stop watching, stop your feeds. And for all those who think what happened with Jen was so horrible...remember Beau and Janelle. He actually landed a hit...out of anger...and what happened to him. Nothing?? Dumping tea doesn't seem that bad to me...
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:10 pm
"Yes that is what you said and YOU are implying that Dick will do that to her!!!!!!!!" No, I am not implying that he "will do" anything. I am asking you how far would you allow him to go before pulling him out of the house. It's a simple question. 1. You wouldn't draw the line at threats. 2. You wouldn't draw the line at extreme verbal abuse. 3. You woudn't draw it at the point when he crossed the line and escalated his verbal abuse to a physical level. Where would YOU draw the line regarding Dick's abusive behavior before pulling him out of the house? How far is "too far"? edited to add - I fixed that last line because I had it all jumbled up!
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:11 pm
It does to me. It's the next step in his abuse. What will he do next?
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