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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 5:05 pm
Zachsmom from above... and what555456, you are making a lot of assumptions about dick. none of which are correct... ZM, I am making no assumptions about Dick. I have formed my opinion of him based on what we know. He fathered two children. He was in his early 20's. The mother wandered off somewhere and he was left raising these two children. He found it hard. He went through legal procedings to give up all legal claim and custody to them. His mother raised them. He was mature and together enough to travel Europe, take almost every drug known to man (his claim), develop a career, make lots of Hollywoood connections. He married a woman who wanted nothing to do with his chidlren and so, for seven years, he did not see them so he could placate a new wife rather than find a woman who would support him in fathering his children. No assumptions here. He was obviously fully capable of running his own life -- for himself. What a man does, though, is sacrifice to raise his children. He alters his life's plans for them because they need him and he is responsible for them. He makes a home for them. He takes a regular and decent job so there is enough money. He may even rely on his mother or others to help care for them if he is feeling overwhelmed. But most of all, he is there with them, parenting them, teaching tyhem, training them, helping them grow and develop -- no matter how hard it may be and no matter what sacrifices he may have to make. Once they are grown, he can do as he pleases. A man, a real man, does not leave his children behind while he is fully capable of creating a total life all for himself. If he can do it for himself, he can do it for his chidren. Nope. No assumptions, ZM. All based on information we have gotten from the show. I have seen these men and I know many others who walk away from their responsibilities to their children because it is "too hard" or they "can't be themselves" or it's too expensive or their new wife doesn't want to be bogged down with his children or whatever. Leaving aside whatever else I may assume about Dick, I have no respect for him or men like him all based on the information we already know.
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 5:14 pm
dick has stated that had he knew what he was giving up when he gave custody of his children to his mother, he would not have done it. his mother refused after papers were signed. he has always been there for his kids. he went to europe for about a year and the kids did not go (grandmother did not want them to) and to hawaii for a year and the kids did go. i know about men who have nothing to do with their children. my sons father has not seen my son since he was 9 months old. (who is 9 now) i haven't talked to him in 3 years and at that time he would not give me his phone number. i also receive no child support. his son has stated that their dad always lived close and was always there for them. i do not want to speculate on what the rift is between dani and dick, but from what his son has said dani has not talked to her brother for 8 months because he would not lend her nintendo 64 games (because he knew he would not give them back).
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 5:28 pm
So you are suggesting, ZM, that Dick's mother tricked him and basically stole the children? Methinks there is another side to this story.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 5:42 pm
I didn't get that Zach was suggesting that Dick's mother tricked him. You both view Dick in different lights, but I understand where both of you are coming from. You see him as he pertains to your lives, not saying that "he" is part of your life. We all view things with our personal histories as ref. to understand people we encounter even if it is just t.v.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 5:59 pm
So bicbiz he's a smoker so that makes him horrible too!! How ridiculous is that. I know a LOT of people who smoke that are wonderful wonderful people. They have a bad, unhealthy habit....that does NOT make them horrible. I would much rather be around someone who smoked than to be around someone with a foul mouth, who was a liar, a backstabber, and was untrustworthy. We all have our bad habits, and I'm sure most smokers would love to quit...but to condemn them for smoking...No I am not their judge.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:20 pm
(Napa, I smoke, I was being sarcastic lol) Sanfran, Actually I wasn't being sarcastic about the thread remark. Tis true, each thread is a Dick slam fest. It's nearly impossible to have a conversation in the Current House Happenings thread unless you are anti-Dick. There are at any time between 10 and 14 Anti-Dick threads burning up the boards. I get that Dick is a larger than life character, and he will tell you himself people either love him or hate him. I don't think Dick means most of what he says, just like the others that say sick and hateful things in the house. Difference is, Dick is lambasted for it, others are not.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:38 pm
"So you are suggesting, ZM, that Dick's mother tricked him and basically stole the children?" My brother's ex-mother-in-law did this. Took his and his wife's first born child. Said she would care for their son while they got settled. (Military folks coming back from over-seas.) They left their son in NY to set up home in TX. The mother-in-law agreed then filed abandonment charges. It happens.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:55 pm
"Sanfran, Actually I wasn't being sarcastic about the thread remark. Tis true, each thread is a Dick slam fest." Yes, that's true, but those threads are not blaming Dick for what Amber or Eric or anyone else does. They are only blaming Dick for what Dick does. To say that "Dick is blamed for everything" is not a true statement.....it's sarcasm. "Difference is, Dick is lambasted for it, others are not." I think some people get upset because they like Dick and don't like seeing him being criticized more than the others. Personally, I criticize him because I think his behavior has been SO MUCH more cruel and hateful than anyone else's. The other HG's transgressions pale in comparison to Dick's. I'm sure some people will say that Eric making crude remarks about incest are worse than Dick screaming in Jen's face that he wants to rape her anally until she bleeds. I strongly disagree with the idea that Eric's stupid incest remarks (that no one is taking seriously) are anywhere near as violent and cruel and abusive as Dick threatening Jen (not to mention Eric and Dustin) with violent anal rape. No one is blaming things on Dick that the other HGs did or said. Dick deserves the blame he gets. And that's not sarcasm.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 12:03 am
I think Dick knows it's time to go. He's like the dad that doesn't know when to leave the kids alone at the slumber party. Dani will be much better in there without them.
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 12:58 am
I really am amused that sooo many on here have so much insight into the EXACT details of why Dick gave up his kids and/or did not "raise them" himself. You know, let me watch 2 months of your life in a controlled environment and presume to know every detail and feeling you had to base all your decisions. The only thing I could say I know is that Dick is a bartender, he works LATE into the night thereby raising two children cannot be very easy, hence MANY single fathers do "sign" over rights to grandparents to further facilitate schooling decisions etc. Take for example the child down in FL whom was abducted, raped, and killed by a child pedophile. Her own father had signed over rights to his parents because he was gone working all day and away from home for his job. I mean, it is one thing to assume and judge facets of a personality based on what you are seeing now, at the root yes, there has to be some part of that as your own personality, but to seriously sit and say some of the things being said are just ridiculous. I have sat and watched Amber "jew bash", Dustin and Amber make racist jokes and statements and countless other comments that I find just as horrible as any cursing that have come from Dick. To sit and say well, just because they don't scream it, it is not as bad... sorry, but racist and bigotry and horribly as bad and the giggling and whispering it doesn't make it even less so.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 1:07 am
Sanfran, I don't think we'll ever agree on the subject of Dick, and that's okay. I understand a lot of folks think he's just "so much more" than other house guests. I don't condone the things he has said, I just don't think he meant them as seriously as they are being taken by some. I didn't have a problem with the criticizing for a long time. All's fair in BB and all that. For the past week, we've reached epic proportions here... to a level never seen before in years past, IMO. I love TV Clubhouse. The biggest reason it's always been my favorite site is because you generally don't find the venom you will find at other sites. Usually we all agree to disagree, and that's what I'm doing now. I'm not Dick's great defender or anything like that. I just like the guy, find him mostly entertaining sometimes just a little insane.
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