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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:08 pm
I think it has something to say about YouTube and what proof exists. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Dustin/Amber/Dog convo is available anywhere in video form, and Amber's anti-Semitic remarks are available everywhere. CBS was almost forced to address it. ETA: by "proof" I simply mean that the YTs can be played forever by every news outlet and the dog conversation was heard and transcribed, but it's just not the same vehicle for "news".
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Missyb
Member
07-28-2004
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:10 pm
It's ridiculous that "news" was made out of this in the first place. It should come as no surprise to anyone that many people have pre-conceived notions of many races, religions and cultures. Seeing it aired is so expected I can't believe people are shocked. I mean really, who do you think applies for reality shows ? The cream of the crop ?
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:12 pm
Zmom, I agree. However, I don't think anyone saved the audio/video conversation regarding Amber and Dustin? Both conversations make me sick to my stomach. I call foul on CBS for protecting them.
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Trini
Member
07-06-2004
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:19 pm
UTube
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Trini
Member
07-06-2004
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:28 pm
From what I see on Utube Amber wanted another opinion on what she was told by her Mom. Amber is open to everyone and it is her mother who is Influencing her to think that way.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:28 pm
seeing racism and bigotry aired is expected? umm, no
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:34 pm
I can see how what Amber said was a direct slam at Jewish people, one that most people recognize and it appalls me. What Dustin and Amber said about the dog hating black people is equally offensive. CBS airs Kails obvious ignorance about gay people and I saw some outrage over it here, but just from some of the posters. In various seasons we have seen other hamsters stay awful, racist, deflamatory things and nothing was done. I can't see how they can kick Amber out despite the awful things which came out of her mouth. The problem here seems to be it was shown on SHOW. The one thing I have a problem with the uproar about it being shown live on there is: Have you seen WHAT they air on SHOW?!!! I guess if its fictional, it's OK. Last night there was so much sex on the show which aired after BBAD, I turned off my TV.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:43 pm
I don't see that these were posted, but here are the two news spots about Amber on cable news shows. Fox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX9m77Zo1HU CNN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EX6Ww1OHag
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Queenfish
Member
07-19-2006
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:46 pm
Maybe she will learn a lesson from all of this after she gets out. Let's hope so anyway. I think this girl has a problem with just thinking she "must have something to say". She's gott a little diareah of the mouth thing going on. ya know?
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:52 pm
I wish Jameka would given Amber a little history lesson when she started with her bigoted rant. Jews have been one of the biggest supporters of civil rights. The American Jewish Community and the Civil Rights Movement Most of the American Jewish community tacitly or actively supported the civil rights movement. One of the co-founders of the NAACP was Jewish, and many of its members and leading activists came from within the Jewish community. The great majority of American Jews who were active in promoting civil rights were secular Jews, Reform Jews and Conservative Jews. A large number of Jewish philanthropists actively supported the NAACP and various civil rights group, and schools for African-Americans. The Jewish philanthropist Julius Rosenwald funded the creation of dozens of primary schools, secondary schools and colleges for disenfranchised black youth. He personally gave, and led the Jewish community in giving to, some 2,000 schools for black Americans. This list includes Howard, Dillard and Fisk universities. At one time some forty percent of southern blacks were learning at these schools. Jewish Americans were many times more likely to be actively involved in the civil rights movement than any other group in America, except the black community itself. Jews made up nearly half of the volunteers involved in the 1964 Mississippi Freedom Summer. While only making up 2% of the population, some 50% of the civil rights lawyers who worked in the south,sometimes risking their lives, were Jewish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights_movement
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 1:57 pm
The reason this has gotten so much play is because of what happened with the situation of BB in Great Britain. THAT one caused an international diplomatic row, angry demonstrations and ended up involving two governments. Had that not occured, I doubt any of the news affiliates would have reported this.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:02 pm
While watching the first you tube above I noticed this one. So Ambers rant on Jewish people and New Yorkers to Jameka wasn't just a one time thing. Here they are in the bedroom with Amber saying the exact same things. I didn't realize it happened more then once. Does anyone know if these are from the same day? bedroom rant
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 2:49 pm
I found a little clip of the black dog conversation. It's at the end of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucqedy8l1fI
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 3:07 pm
In the first clip I couldn't clearly tell whether Amber was saying those were her opinions, or she asked her mother about it, and that is what her mother advised. Second clip posted by Biloxibelle makes it crystal clear. Poor Jameka is really wincing in that second clip. I also flinch each time Amber calls Jameka "girl." Does she call any of the other women in the house "girl?"
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 3:11 pm
It's a thing they have where they say, "Hey, Girl." They had joked about saying that instead of Hi Julie when she greets the HGs, but I don't think they did it.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 3:18 pm
I have a theory about people using the "N" word...it's not always that someone says it, but how freely the word flows from their mouths and how it is used...in this case, I would say that both Dustin and Amber had no problem whatsoever with that word coming out of their mouth....and it's context was completely unacceptable to me.
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Kirstenk
Member
07-14-2005
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 3:35 pm
seeing racism and bigotry aired is expected? umm, no Have you not seen All in the Family? I am in the minority but I agree with Missyb. Amber showed poor judgement in her remarks about Jewish people. She showed true ignorance. Do I view her as a Racist or Bigot? No. Do I like her? No. And I know nothing about the dog convo.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 4:00 pm
yes, I have seen all in the family, but that was a comedy show with the premise of bigotry. I do NOT expect to see racism and bigotry aired on shows where that is not the premise. <sg> I expect people to be more enlightened, or at least to have more sense than to show their bigotry where the public can see it.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 4:01 pm
BTW, Naja thanks for that clip.
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Jennyrom
Member
07-24-2005
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 4:06 pm
I am in no way agreeing with Amber, but last time I checked, Americans have the freedom of speech. I just chaulk Ambers remarks as ignorance.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 4:09 pm
I would hope that racism and bigotry do not exist in the first place but unfortunately we know that it does exist. I don't like to see racism and bigotry but if it exists I'm not sure that it should be hidden. Rather I think it should be exposed for the world to see and hopefully greet with the disdain that it deserves. People who are racist and bigoted do not deserve to be protected from the repercussions of their racism and bigotry. If not for the live feeds, people might have a far different and incorrect impression of Amber and Dustin. I agree with Ladytex that it is painful to see it and I would hope not to expect to see it.
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Jennyrom
Member
07-24-2005
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 4:14 pm
Well put Jimmer.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 4:56 pm
I hope that she has a very rude awakening when she is out. I forsee many excuses coming from her. But, this is one of those rare times when reality tv is truly reality.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 5:00 pm
Naja, thank you for posting that clip. I read about it a week or so ago. I was under the impression there was no clip. I am glad to see you found one. It puts it more in perspective hearing and seeing rather then just reading about. Without being able to see Dustin and only hearing his voice I picked up on the fact that he was kind of hesitant, almost embarrassed to say what he said. That to me even makes it even worse because he knew what he was saying was wrong. Amber, being Amber was just way cool with the whole conversation. Which is in keeping with the same opinion of Amber I have been having. What really hurts my heart is their youth. I guess hoping that racism would end in my lifetime was too much to hope for.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 5:27 pm
Jennyrom, Freedom of speech is something the government provides us. We are not required to what each other have to say, nor is CBS required to air what anyone wants to say.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 7:38 pm
Naja, great job! I know many ppl tried to find that clip. Now someone should send that clip to the media
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:11 am
Yes, thanks for the dog clip. Now I can form an opinion, and it is this: Dustin's comments, while racist and that is disgusting enough, are not as bad as Ambers. Dustin is well aware that what he says is wrong, and gave sort of an embarrassed laugh, and said "This is bad" before he said it. Amber's response, was, "I don't care, it's funny." Amber's comments regarding Jews, are believed and justified by her. Yes, she is ignorant. But, not ignorant enough to know that you cannot lump millions of people into a category based on 4 people you know - and I have a feeling those 4 people are not nearly as bad as she makes them out to be. She would be angry and horrified if someone said that all drug addicts are liars and thieves. Just as much as if someone thought she was in a gang, based on her new look. WTH is up with that anyway? Both of them are in the wrong, as is Dick, as we saw in the dog clip. But, I see Amber's comments are far worse than the others. JMO
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, August 10, 2007 - 7:20 am
That is an interesting question, which is worse. Someone who knows they are saying something they shouldn't and that is really bad (Dustin) but says it anyway. Or someone who is totally ignorant and doesn't even realize that they are saying something bad. Both are bad, though the fact that Dustin knows he shouldn't say it and says it anyway, in a way is even worse. Perhaps Amber at least can be made to understand that it is wrong to talk about a group of people that way.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:21 pm
ITA with Hypermom, but am puzzled by Jimmer's response. Hypermom Member 08-13-2001 Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 12:32 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm actually surprised that they won't air any of what Amber said. They sure didn't have a problem with airing what Erika said about Jee..... Jimmer Moderator 08-30-2000 Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 12:49 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sadly I am not surprised at all. Money and influence make a big difference. Not quite sure whose money or influence you are referring to Jimmer... I am extremely annoyed that CBS has chosen not to air Amber's heinous antisemitic rants, or the appalling dog discussion. The Chinese Chan comments and the Rosie/D*ke comments were offensive, too. Amber is not alone, Dick and Dustin, etc have proved that, but they seem to at least acknowlege that they are being offensive. The girl seems to revel in her beliefs. It's out there, but will CBS have the guts, now that even CNN has even aired Amber's rant? I am hopefull that maybe before BB8 ends they will shine a light on it. I would like see Julie bring their attention to it by questioning them... She does it with other simpleminded things, why not for something this important? So thankful for the video, Naja! Knowlege is power. This show professess to to show these folks warts and all. But that's not what's happening. They'll show salacious crap but not truly offensive blatherings? Who's in charge there? (And I may be mistaken (it happens, LOL) but when 911 happened, the hampsters were NOT told immediately, but a few days later...)\ And a very special thank you to RSLOVER for posting the wikipedia item.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:40 pm
The influence of people who don't want those comments aired. We didn't see CBS making a statement that they won't be airing Dustin's use of the N word. CBS was pushed to make the statement about Amber's comments. Surely people don't think it's a bad thing that people were able and willing to push CBS to make a statement about this? I just think it is unfortunate that people aren't able to have the same influence with respect to Dustin's comments. Personally, I think it might be good to have her comments aired and condemned but BB probably wouldn't be an appropriate format for that as there would be little if any opportunity to condemn them on the show.
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Nancypj
Member
08-17-2001
| Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:46 pm
I hadn't seen Ambers convo with Jameka, only heard about it. But this a.m., there was a link on the AOL welcome screen to a "blog" about the incident and the YouTube clip: http://tinyurl.com/ynkqn9 I don't know when BB was last so prominently displayed on an AOL main screen.
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