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Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
No, Dogmommy. The dog's history is not a problem.
But the dog owner, who named the black Lab N***** to begin with, is a big problem! If Dustin really did laugh at the dog's dislike of AA and liken it as against the dog's own kind, that's a big, huge problem.

I've told you guys before, my half Chinese children still have to deal with some calling them Chinks while knocking on the desks(to disguise the sound or cover up their purpose). Some kids tell them straight they shouldn't be where they're not wanted. Always have other reasons or excuses when the teachers are alerted... and here we are, 2007!

My heart is so heavy, I need to do something.

Oh, our filter allows Chink? but not other words? ??? HUmmmm???

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Uhhh, well, let's see.... when were fat people ever lynched just for being fat?

Snee
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06-26-2001

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snee a private message Print Post    
wow chy, that's horrible. i'm worried people will call my daughter (who's 3 now) that when she goes to school. i adopted her from China when she was 1 and i always tell her how special it is to be Chinese (and Canadian). i rue the day when someone tells her different.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Just because our filter may allow "chink" in no way implies that we approve of it.

Happily, it probably just means that no one has used it on the board (until now).


Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 9:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
I pressed to post the message and then I remember I used "bad" words in the post, but came to find out it was okay ...

It took me a while. I talked to my friend and rationalized everything a bit. I feel like Amber, tear drops could come out any second, but I guess I understand. Even my daughter said it's probably because it's not so commonly used.

Yeah, Snee. I moved to this small town where my children's great grand parents settled in thinking it'd be safer and friendlier than NYC. Not so. I often regret that decision, but who knows.

My kids don't even bother to report any more. The kids with bad intentions have all kinds of ways to taunt them. My #1 was a loud mouth, she will confront people every time. One time she was sent home for being the wrong one in school's eyes. #2 is more popular, her friends will yell at those for her. She said it hadn't been a problem for a long time now.

I think it might have to do with my making chicken lomain for swim team, tennis team, fiddlestix kids ... When #2 was still in grade school, she was in a class for kids ided with higher possibilities. That teacher always used to ask me to go and tell stories of Chinese New year or Moon fest. I taught them New Year's song, taught them counting in Chinese, we bang around and did the Dragon Dance also.

I just feel sorry that I wasn't as active for my #1 when she was little. I was always passive. When she complained about troubles, kids yanked her pigtail, waiting for her to turn around and say "Wonton soup, please." or ran away saying, she has slits for eyes... I used to tell her to puff out her chest and understand that most of them have never seen any Chinese but in the Chinese Restaurant....

I don't know, Snee. Our town is a lot better now. There's much bigger an Asian population now~ from 4 households to 20 some! Hopefully you're in a town where there's enough Chinese/Asians around and less ignorant parents abound. You probably still would want to be class-mom or volunteer to read stories and such in her early days. That's what I did for my #2 and wish I had done for my #1.

ETA, Snee, my mother's sister and her whole "clan" (Two married children and two new grand children are in and around Edmonton(sp?)!

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 10:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darclyte a private message Print Post    
Dogmommy The N word is worse than all of the others because it was used to refer to black people as property, and less than human. All other ethnic slurs, while bad, are really not quite on the same level. That doesn't mean they're any less hateful and hurtful, but the N word is a nuclear bomb compared to the TNT bomb that is just about any other slur.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 11:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
The NAACP recently held a funeral and burial for the N word. Lets keep it buried.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Monday, July 30, 2007 - 11:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
As far a school kids, they always find something. And it isn't always words.........try life and death taunts becase of a life threatening food allergy. Even the parents protest and insist that thier kids need for peanut butter supersceeds the other childs' life.

O.K. Way off topic, but the examples fit. Bullying is bullying.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 4:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
The "N" word should NEVER be acceptable, especially as a sign of fraternal brotherhood. I've heard white "ganstas" use the term amongst themselves, and their AA friends.

As long as the word is considered acceptable in our society it will be continued to be used. The word is broadcast daily in music, and the upcoming generation are becoming insensitized to the word. How can it be wrong if everyone is using it?

All I can do is NOT accept the word in my presence from anyone, black or white. My children/grandchildren are black, and that word is not allowed in our house/family.

I firmly believe it should NOT be allowed in the BB house.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
(((Chy))) that's such a shame. I can't even imagine my kids having to go thru that type of crap. Where do they get it? I certainly never ever taught my boys to say stuff like that let alone to think it's funny or acceptable.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
The N word is worse than all of the others because it was used to refer to black people as property, and less than human.

I completely agree but that's not the issue. The issue is that the word itself has been desensitized by it's own. In the inner-city it's not uncommon to hear parents call their own child that name. It is used on just about every movie shown on "BET" and certainly in most hip hop genre. Kids repeat what is said at home and from their favorite celebrities.

Those of us who grew up before or during the civil rights movement find this word one of the worst in history, but not so today. I battle it every day, and my response to it is to try and educate them as to what that word means. Many children are not being taught pride at home and that's where it has to start. I have called parents to talk about their child's use of this word and to be honest I have only had about a 5% objection rate. It is a shame, but I'm afraid that not too many people are paying attention to history, even their own.

Bill Cosby has been fighting this issue for years. He blames the parents who allow their children to do and say such things. There are many who hate Mr. Cosby because they think he is blaming them for racism, when in truth he is trying to get them to take some responsibility for it.

Jushvnfn
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07-29-2006

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jushvnfn a private message Print Post    
My My mother used to wash our mouths out with soap. It may sound cruel, but it worked on us. Taught my girls that if you laugh at whats being said, your no better than the person saying it.

Spangs
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10-07-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spangs a private message Print Post    
Bill Cosby's lack of influence with the Black community has more to do with his own contradictions in his personal behavior than it does with whatever message he is trying to put forth.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
EM _ I actually agree with you in this thread. :o)

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
That very well may be true Spangs, but in the context of this discussion his message is what's important.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Spangs as an African American my experience has been that those who get upset with Bill Cosby's position are the very people who have children < even grown children > who are in under/unemployed,in trouble and blaming others for their plight in life. Bill Cosby's personal behavior has vey little < in my opinion > to do with why people get angry. He is taking away the opportunity to blame behavior on anyone but themselves. Trust me on this.

Jushvnfn
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07-29-2006

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jushvnfn a private message Print Post    
I listened to Bill Cosby's records (CD for u young ones) when I was a child. I didn't know if he was black or white. Just funny and entertaining. I think he may have made some poor choices in his life, but his message has always been a good one.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Mara, Spangs is an African American male so I'm sure he also knows what he's talking about. And I agree with what he said. Younger folk don't give a damn what Cosby says or thinks.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
The problem is Mocha that neither do many of their parents. How do we stop this kind of language when it is used so widely within the race. It becomes an open door for words like this to become common. The only ones who can stop this travesty are those that it most hurts.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Mocha those are the kids whose parents obviously need to take control.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Mara, unfortunately their parents are ignorant too and it boggles my mind.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
BINGO my point exactly, except I didn't want to say that outloud.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
:-)

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
my point is that none of this makes the n-word less offensive. and it is offensive. and I bet he wouldn't have named that dog that or called that dog that if the dog were a different color. so I don't excuse him just because it was a dog, or because all the black kids say it.

Spangs
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10-07-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spangs a private message Print Post    
I agree with you as well Mara. My point is that in order for your message to be heard, you have to come correct, and unfortunately, Cosby has proven to be rather dubious in his own personal life, and that has caused much of the good that he has to say to be lost in the sauce.