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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
With respect to temporary locks on threads it depends on the situation, Fan3.

There are no threads temporarily locked at this time.

Bbdeb
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08-28-2004

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbdeb a private message Print Post    
Thanks Tresbien - I would never have guessed it meant weird scene!

Cinder
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09-01-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinder a private message Print Post    
I have heard Dick say more than once- that no one from Season 6 is memorable. What does he think about All Stars- since Janelle, Kayser, Howie, and James were both on 6 & 7.
(not really a question- just curious if anyone has heard him)

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Do you know if it was BB that decided not to put Jen's ball in the bag or was it Jessica??

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Jen's ball was not in the bag? Is there proof it wasn't?

(This is the first I've heard of that, so I have no idea what that allegation is all about.)

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I remember Danielle omitting Eric so he did not have a chance for POV and would be backdoored, so I assumed they did the same with Jen..

If all of the names are in the bag then Eric could have been picked but somehow someone made sure his name was not in. Go figure..

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I thought I read that Eric wanted to look in the bag to see if the ball with his name on it was there, but Daniele wouldn't let him.

(I somehow don't think they could get away with something like that.)

Question: Is it a proven FACT that the HOH's have been cheating by removing certain HG's names before the drawing...or is it just an assumption?

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 6:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I really thought it was their choice to have only the names they wanted. It would be really interesting to know if ALL the names have to be there.

However, I remember that certain hgs were too willing to be kept out of the POV competition. So they would only put the sufficient number of balls for the number of players in the POV competition. Someone must be left out but I don't know who decides that.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"I really thought it was their choice to have only the names they wanted."

Okay, I am officially confused about this.

This drawing-names-from-a-bag thing was introduced to ensure that a RANDOM selection would determine who plays in the POV competitions.

They used to be able to backdoor someone like this:

HOH would nominate two members of his own allliance...and they would each choose a HG to play in the POV comp. Then the HOH and the two noms would each choose a HG to play for them and they made it a point to NOT choose the person they wanted to backdoor and to choose ONLY other HGs that also wanted to backdoor the person in question. That way, the person to be backdoored had no chance at all. He was locked out of the whole process.

BB changed it because they wanted to close the loophole that allowed past BB's to "backdoor" someone without them having ANY chance to save themselves by winning the POV.

It's supposed to be a random draw now.

Question: Is it a fact that they are withholding some of the names from the bag or is it just an assumption?

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Then, I really don't know. To me it seemed obvious that HOH had the power to select players and then put the names in the bag and have the nominees pick names at random from within those in the bag but the HOH would have made the selection prior to that.

It was so important to Dani that Eric did not compete so why chance to have his name in the bag. It seems strange that Eric was so conveniently out of the competition... I thought it was planned... unless BB tells to show the remaining names in the bag (if any) we will never know.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Spunky, my question is - Has it been shown or proven that the HOH manipulates which balls are in the bag? Are there are youtube clips of Eric or Jen seeing that their names NOT in the bag....or that an HOH has actually been seen removing names from the bag....or that an HOH admitted removing names from the bag?

What you are saying makes me think it's just an assumption that someone made about what's in the bag.

I have never seen any video or transcript that proves anything more than Eric or Jen questioning whether or not their names were in the bag. Questioning a situation does not prove it one way or another.


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edited to add - Oops....you started your post with "Then, I really don't know." so please regard the questions in this post as rhetorical. :-)

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 7:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
SFJF, didn't the random draw start with Nikomis and her X-finger plan? (CRS, how many fingers was it?)

Redhawk
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05-23-2007

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redhawk a private message Print Post    
Please feel free to correct me but I find it very odd that in 6 POV comps Eric has not played once. By my calculations the odds of his NOT having his name drawn in 6 random drawings about 1 in 500. Hmmm.

3/11 x 3/10 x 3/9 x 3/8 x 3/7 x 3/6 = .00219

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I'll have to pay attention when they discuss the players for POV. The question came to my mind "who really decides?" because I noticed Jen absence (and I thought, ooh, they want to make sure she doesn't win), but it was especially with Eric that made me sure the HOH selects the players. Again, someone should start asking to verify if all the names are in the bag.

Then, I don't know how the POV host is chosen, I thought that again the HOH asks around and someone who wants to host is picked (last time Amber wanted to host and so she did). The only one left out was Jen today and she may have hosted.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Bluejaxrock. Nope. That was when backdooring started.

Nakomis figured out the loophole and nommed two people that wanted Jase out.

Then Nakomis and her 2 noms each chose a HG (that also wanted Jase out) to play in the POV. There was NO random drawing of names.

One of the 6 POV players (all of whom wanted Jase out) won POV and one of the noms came off the block and Jase went up. He was locked out of the whole process.

Jase was evicted.

Nakomis was the first person to figure this out and she called it her "6 finger plan". The term "backdooring" also came out of that season in reference to "the 6 finger plan".

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
SFJF, sorry, I didn't say it right. I thought the following season is when they went with the random drawing. Am I still wrong? lol I've watched religiously (sorry, couldn't help it) since BB2, and still can't match the season with the HGs.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Until a video or transcript shows up that the HOH is definitely withholding names from the bag, or until the bag is inspected after it has been questioned, I just can't accept that it's HOH's choice. Why have the bag at all if the HOH can just choose whose name is in it?

No matter whose name is drawn, that person is not obligated to use the POV at all nor is he obligated to use it to save the person who drew it. Jameka is the only one that's ever looked at it that way.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I agree with SFJF, there's no reason to have a drawing if the HOH got to pick who's name to put in the drawing. That makes no sense at all. The drawing is to make it random, and remember that there are balls in there that say "players choice" where they get to pick who they want. Hasn't someone pulled that ball this season?

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Bluejaxrock....I don't remember when it was changed from a choice to a random drawing. I just know that it wasn't random during the season Nakomis was there..

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
Brenda, I think Jen pulled player's choice and she chose Jameka after Jameka told Jen it would mean it's God's will.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
Q#1-what is EDNEs?
Q#2-what is beer pong?
Thanks

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Good point, Brenda. If the HOH was making a choice to control whose name goes in the bag (in order to control who plays in the POV comp), the ball that says "players choice" would've been removed before the draw.

Willwillbee
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09-20-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willwillbee a private message Print Post    
I believe originally all HG played in the veto comp, but the group with the numbers would work together to stop the one person they *didn't* want getting the veto. So BB decided to limit it to 6 people (the host & nominees picked their players) but Nakomis figured out the 6 finger plan to backdoor someone - it truly was a backdoor plan since the evictee had no hope in saving themselves.

Dustin has offered to be the pawn up against Dick, I am hoping this will go down in BB history to outdo Marcella's blunder of not using the veto on himself.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I really thought it was their choice to have only the names they wanted. It would be really interesting to know if ALL the names have to be there.

seems to me there are 3 balls withheld from the bag at every drawing....

HOH and the two nominees.