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Robin42
Member
07-20-2007
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:35 pm
I want to know why so many people think Eric is a liar? The only reason I have seen him lie is to cover for what "America" has made him do! He had to lie about nearly every vote "America" made him cast and he had to lie about the mustard. And of course he is not going to admit those things! People would want to know why he did it and he can't give up the "twist". Eric doesn't get the card about who "America" wants him to vote for until the night before the vote. So is he supposed to not play the game or strategize until then? The way I see it is if Eric could cast his own votes, he wouldn't have lied once! So tell me if I'm missing something...
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Stopthemadness
Member
07-15-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:41 pm
I don't really get all the Eric lies hate thing either. So he lies, (we make him do some of it), but THET ALL LIE. Why are his so much worse then the rest of there lies? I still say that just because we say that we want him to vote for someone doesn't mean he should HAVE to vote for that person. He just won't get paid for that vote.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:56 pm
The whole reward structure, 10 grand for each 5 accomplished tasks, assumes the AP will not be able to accomplish all the tasks. To be mad that Eric hasn't been able to do every task is ridiculus. I haven't seen Eric lie except to cover what America has made him do. I think it is past time to purposely sabatoge him. He is AP, like him or not. If he wins, we win. If we sabatage him, we lose. And no we don't get any money, but we do get bragging rights.
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Penpoint
Member
03-27-2001
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:15 pm
Eric has had to play under a heavier burden than any other Big Brother house guest on any season. He is undoubtedly the smartest, most agile person to be on the show. Dr Will was also smart and mentally agile, but he was unencumbered by the rules and conditions that hinder Eric as America's Player. Is Eric a liar in this game? Of course, when he has to save his own skin. So, hip hip hooray! Go Eric! Go all the way!
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:20 pm
That is what he is in there for. To be America's player. He has said many times, I'm playing for you America, I'm here to do what you want. It doesn't take a genious to pretty much know at this stage of the game who America wants him to nominate and get evicted. Kail was the choice for 3 weeks....so he pushed for Nick and seemed "shocked" that America wanted Kail. When you go into a game like this and you KNOW you are supposed to be playing for America...I would think you would be smart enough NOT to throw anyone's name around until you see what America is thinking. He could just use the ummmhmmmm's like Jameka has done for weeks. Then when he gets America's choice....give his reasons why that person should be nominated. He claimed he knew the game so well but he is acting like he has never seen it. You are right, BB is a lying game so they all do their fair share. What I think people are disgusted by is the fact he thinks we are playing for him, not him playing for us. That was NOT the purpose of him being AP. He chose to take the position he has, if he didn't want to do it....then he shouldn't have agreed on it. He could have applied again next season and been a regular house guest. If we are suppose to help him then that defeats the whole point of America's player. If that is what you want this to be....Eric's players...then all the HG should have America voting with them too. They all have fans so if we are suppose to play "for" him....then let us also play "for" whomever we want. He said with his own mouth...I am playing FOR you America not you are playing FOR me.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:21 pm
I agree- all the anger at Eric for not doing what "America wants" seems illogical. He can't know what he will be told to do and he has to relate to people in the house and make alliances. He has tried when AC has required that he go against what he has said before, but it makes a fool and a liar of him on all counts. Eric has turned out to be a liar and even a fake precisely because he has had to play all sides in order to allow for AC! Spiting him by voting really difficult options just ensures that he will continue to disappoint. Why not try to play with him?
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Wavelength
Member
07-25-2007
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 10:26 pm
In prior years we would all complain that "we would do this" and "we would do that" as far as strategizing goes. When I saw that we had America's Player I thought we would have him doing intelligent, strategic things not corny, ridiculous crap that gets him in trouble. Putting mustard on someone's sheets is something we would have done at camp. I feel embarrased for him and it must be awful to be in there wondering what asinine thing he will have to do next including the voting. That is the worst part. JMO
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Debbieeeee
Member
09-16-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 1:04 am
They may all lie but when you start spouting lies about things like incest between Dick and Daniele, I think that is going too far
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Grendelsmom
Member
07-31-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 1:31 am
The incest thing and the gloating about knowing Amber's abortion secret and threatening to hold it over her head are both just beyond the pale, IMO. Also, I believe there were other lies he told while campaigning to stay in, although I don't remember what they were specifically, or whether they were very consequential. I think maybe people have taken the "liar" label and just latched onto it, where it's really more his repulsive behavior recently that they are reacting against. Also, I think maybe some people consider him a "liar" because he agreed to be "our player" but seemingly isn't upholding his end of the bargain--he also essentially lied to us in the DR about his efforts toward Kail's eviction vs. Nick.
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:53 am
I said it on another thread (either Eric's fan thread or America's Player thread) that Eric has had to try to stay TWO weeks ahead of America and work to that end and America just isn't helping. I to feel that EVERYONE lies in this game, so why pick on Eric...because he is America's Player and he won't help further their favorite houseguest unless it helps him. IF it was ____ lying, or ____ lying, or ____ lying (fill in the blank with a particular player), to further his/her own game and diminishing someone elses game, posters would have no problem with that "because it is part of the game"... But because of the perception Eric is "supposed" to be working for America and doing what America tells him to do to the detriment of his own game and he won't entirely give up his own game, then posters just are NOT happy with him. To me, we are in an alliance with Eric and trying to get him to the end...but Eric isn't their favorite player so he is open now to accusations to excuse the fact that they aren't using America's Player in the way it was meant. JUST My Personal Opinion!!!!!!!!!
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:28 am
Eric's problem is that America is playing an emotional game, not a strategic game. America is playing the exact game viewers have condemned other HG's for playing. I find that hilarious...and I think Eric is doing the best he can, with what he's got and what we have given him. Go Eric!!
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:29 am
Thank you, Kep! You definitely said it better than I did! GO Eric!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:24 am
Eric has said he's never said bad things about the HGs (he said this to Dani's face, after which I turned off the feeds so I dunno if this was the song he sang to each HG).
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Beffylou
Member
04-21-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:28 am
just wondering if Eric started saying crap about ... say Jessica being a part of an incestual relationship .. what would folks here think THEN. Eric is despicable.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:39 am
Yup, Beffy. I wonder.
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Smokey
Member
07-08-2003
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:48 am
Eric's problem is that America is playing an emotional game, not a strategic game. America is playing the exact game viewers have condemned other HG's for playing. No, I disagree. America votes. The top vote getter is who Eric is supposed to vote for or do things to, whatever. (after all, we've had to live with a President almost half the people didn't vote for) And, I think it would be an extremely strategic move to get Dustin out of there right now. He is ruling that entire group and it would be cutting it off at the head. It doesn't mean people are trying to screw with Eric's game (although I know there are those who vote to do that). I want him to vote Dustin to get Dustin out and no other reason. We all disagree what is a good strategic move depending on who we are more sided with. And lies? To me, it's laughable if someone says Eric hasn't lied. He has been doing that since he got in the house. He is definitely under far more pressure than the others, but he signed up to do it.
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Jenf66
Member
08-11-2006
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:52 am
Erik did not have to keep throwing around who he "knew" voted for Kail those two weeks. Every time he did this he was lying. he could have just kept his mouth shut, but since he wanted Nick out (and he could foresee that America would have once again voted for Kail to leave) he kept accusing him of the votes until it was too late for him to reverse gears and truely campaing to evict Kail. I can understand why he did not go all out in campaining to evict Kail since all he had done to try and convince them to evict Nick would have come back to bite him. However, that was the turning point for me. At that point he was no longer America's Player...he became just another HG that was only out for himself. He has also lied about what other HG's have told him. I realize that is a part of the game and it doesn't bother me except when he (and others) say that he doesn't lie.
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Kaylasmom
Member
07-27-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:55 am
My problem with Eric's "lies" is that as far as the votes and mustard are concerned, he has gone so over the top to exclaim that he didn't do it. Once should be enough. What disgusts me are the vile comments that he has made (the incest remarks, Amber's "secret") and the out-n-out lie that he has never said a bad thing about anyone. I don't vote for the AP tasks as I could really care less...I think a lot of it is a gimmick to get more money for CBS and I'm not about to give them my money! But I do think that this whole idea of AP is ridiculous. If they wanted to give the viewers a "say" in the house, there could have been another/better way.
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:24 am
Smokey: And, I think it would be an extremely strategic move to get Dustin out of there right now. He is ruling that entire group and it would be cutting it off at the head. It doesn't mean people are trying to screw with Eric's game (although I know there are those who vote to do that). I want him to vote Dustin to get Dustin out and no other reason. Exactly!! Eric should really be putting more thought into this. Why would America be saying that? What do they know that I don't?
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:40 am
I do understand why Eric lied about the first errant votes - it was his way of placing blame on Nick and getting him out of the house. What I don't understand is why he continued to lie about the next errant vote after Nick was gone and there was no one else to blame (and Dani was onto him). Why not just say "hey, I don't think anyone wants to leave this house via unanimous vote, it was a pity vote, so sue me" and leave it at that. He seems to be digging himself a bigger and bigger hole. I'm also disappointed that he didn't seem to "get" that America wants Dustin out. That we are not happy with his gameplay. He figure out that we "didn't like" Kail and Jen. Now he's just annoyed with us that we didn't pick Dick or Dani, someone _he_ wants out. He needs to buy a clue.
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Ecoop
Member
07-07-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:48 am
I agree with Kep that the voters are playing an emotional game rather than a strategic one. What was strategic about voting Kail out, who had absolutely no alliance and no game. Dick had neutered her. I fail to see why anyone thought keeping Nick was a good strategic move. He had Dani's and Dick's back and Eric was correct in thinking this three person alliance (though it wasn't a stated alliance at the time) would be a huge threat. Since he couldn't get Dick or Dani out, strategically it was a good move. It may have been a little early for such a bold move, but when both Amber and Dick brought it up FIRST, he may have thought the timing was good and all the heat wouldn't come down on him. He miscalculated and got caught. How would taking Dustin out this week be a good strategic move for Eric? There are still 4 players working against Eric's alliance. If Dustin goes this week and one of those get HOH, he/she can put up two alliance members, which would leave a voting block of two. The alliance needs to move into next week full force. It won't be long before the alliance starts eating its own. I think the ladies will band together to get the men out, if they can. And I don't have a problem with that; I like Jameka and Jessica much more than any of the other three in that alliance (UH OH, being emotional again).
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:54 am
What was strategic was the the majority of America didn't see the Amber accusations, the Eric withdrawal into the DR and immediate exit to one one one's. A lot happened in a very short time, and America voted to send Kail home. Either because she was playing a bad game, or because she was just needed to go. I think, had America seen the events leading up to last Thursday, Eric would've been the one to go home.
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Merrysea
Member
08-13-2004
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:02 am
America didn't actually vote to evict Kail when she was up against Eric. We didn't have a vote.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:02 am
Oh dang. You're right! I forgot about that!
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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:07 am
And, I think it would be an extremely strategic move to get Dustin out of there right now. He is ruling that entire group and it would be cutting it off at the head. It doesn't mean people are trying to screw with Eric's game (although I know there are those who vote to do that). I want him to vote Dustin to get Dustin out and no other reason. It's only strategic if you are on the side of D/D. It would not be strategic for Eric. Dustin is the one who saved Eric last week and it is because Dustin controlled the rest of that group that Eric was saved. So sure if you want to get rid of that group it is strategic but it isn't for the people that want to get rid of Dick.
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