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Beruthiel
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08-07-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beruthiel a private message Print Post    
Eric is ruining the season for me. This whole America's Player twist only works IF the designated person actually follows the wishes of the viewers that are communicated to him in the DR.
Eric has made it quite plain that he wants the viewers to work for HIS strategy, which is NOT what the twist was intended to do. Therefore, it is a complete waste of time, and a charade that we have any influence.
Eric would be a lot less unpopular if he WAS following our directives, and really trying to fulfill the wishes he has been given. His efforts have been half-hearted at best, except for those silly pranks.
On another note - Dick and Danielle didn't 'turn' on Eric and start the breakup of the group - Danielle figured out, quite rightly, that Eric was the one messing with the evictions with the 'hinky' votes, and that was her reason for trying to get him out.
I look forward with great interest to the end of the season when the rest of them realise that she and Dick were quite right, and that Eric played them all. They will deserve the egg on their faces when all is said and done.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Funny, I could have sworn that Julie has said (as well as Eric) that he is in an alliance with millions of people...as such alliances work together...and I don't think America is trying to work with Eric. America is busy sabotaging Eric as well as sabotaging themselves.

I still shake my head at the number of posters over the years that have wanted input into the house, and now that they have those very same posters are not happy and in fact are hollering the loudest to sabotage Eric/America's Player...

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
America didn't turn on Eric, Eric turned on America. He has his own agenda and isn't interested in carrying out the wishes of the majority of viewers unless it fits his strategy. Unfortunately, he's supposed to be carrying out "America's" strategy, not his own.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Well, he is THE ONE playing for 500,000 dollars...not us. We are supposed to be helping him get that half a million...not using him to further our favorite player in the game. If you don't like him/America's Player for it's own merits, DON'T VOTE and DON'T sabotage Eric so that he can't play!

Outta here and off to work!

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
Sounds to me like America is sending Eric a message, and it should be loud and clear. Your alliance doesn't like the way you are playing this game...you should change it!

(oh and he's the only one in the house playing for extra spending money, so he is being paid for his troubles).

Beruthiel
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08-07-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beruthiel a private message Print Post    
He can't have it both ways. If it's an alliance, then he's broken it himself, and we've lost confidence in him.
If the twist was to give us some input into the game, as was touted at the beginning, he has used US for his own benefit, and he should never have taken on the job in the first place if he thought we'd all want the same thing - for HIM to win - I don't think so!
Every time Julie says "He's working for YOU America," should prove that the intention was that he's meant to fulfill OUR wishes, not for us to help him win the money.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    

quote:

We are supposed to be helping him get that half a million...




Sez who? Even on the CBS website it says Eric will be representing us, not we will be helping him win.

I just don't understand the logic that we're supposed to help Eric. He can follow his own strategy without our help; however, the strategy of the majority of voters cannot be followed in the house without his. Wasn't that the point of the twist?

The problem with this twist is it assumes "America" all wants the same thing. We don't (the fact that with all the Dick hate around here, he has never come up as the one for Eric to nominate shows that). So strategy can change week to week based on the whims of the people voting. Yes, it may decrease Eric's chances of winning, but he has a chance to win more money than any other loser in the house.

Oh, and FYI -- I DON'T VOTE and I DON'T sabotage Eric. He made it clear he wasn't interested in doing what the voters wanted and simply wanted us to support him long ago -- and that wasn't the point of the twist.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
On another note - Dick and Danielle didn't 'turn' on Eric and start the breakup of the group - Danielle figured out, quite rightly, that Eric was the one messing with the evictions with the 'hinky' votes, and that was her reason for trying to get him out.

But she caught onto him with help from the DR. She said it was something they said that made her suspicious and that it all fell into place with the banner plane. So for all of the complaints about Eric getting help, he also even has the DR working against him, I'm sure just to create controversy and in BB's eyes to make the show more interesting. And now there are a lot of viewers working against him so I can't go along with the idea that he is also getting a lot of help.

I'm not sure the voting reflects what the majority want either. I have quite a few friends that only watch on TV and can't stand Dick but they don't bother to vote either. Until the last couple of shows, Dick had been getting favorable edits. And with voting bots etc. I really don't put a lot of value in the way the vote turns out anyhow since some people stated from the beginning they would try to mess Eric up.

I've only seen one week that Eric didn't try to do the task and that was the week that Nick got evicted. This week even though it is against his best interest, he is trying to get Dustin nominated.

Hotfudge
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07-03-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hotfudge a private message Print Post    
So Ap is going to fake being sick all day so when he ignores Jessica he won't piss her off.

Landslide305
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08-15-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landslide305 a private message Print Post    
If that's the case, then he should fail this task. The assignment wasn't "faking sick" but "giving ______ the silent treatment". Two totally different things.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Where's the sense in this latest AC vote? First he's asked to pledge to go to the final 2 with Jessica, then give her the silent treatment? If America wants to keep its player it should at least give him logically consistent tasks! This twist has played out to be really stupid because the voting is so random.

Tresbien
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08-27-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tresbien a private message Print Post    
To me it was always implicit that since Eric plays for me I would want me and, therefore, him to do well in the game. I never saw him as a puppet on a string to do silly things at the expense of his own game.

I agree with you, Kmjm, the tasks are stupid and inconsistent. They are nothing to do with feeling like we have a player in the house but for voting. And that isn't working either because the public has varying agendas. I've not been a fan of most of the twists, but this one is beyond awful, and I feel sorry for Eric that he's stuck with it.

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
the tasks have been beyond stupid - they've been immature and have hurt Eric's game more than any voting.

I think AP should be taking into consideration the fact that America is seeing the Diary Rooms of the other hgs and maybe, just maybe, America is trying to tell him something with the vote. He seems to think that if America doesn't play along with him that we're making it hard for him, when really we're trying to tell him he's aligned himself incorrectly.

Beruthiel
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08-07-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beruthiel a private message Print Post    
I haven't voted for any of Eric's tasks. BB wanted to give the impression that America will have some input this year, but some of the things that have been tendered for voting are petty and meaningless, meant only to cause mischief: ie. the mustard, and getting into bed with Joe - that is demeaning to US, and I wouldn't waste my time or energy by voting and condoning such rubbish.
BB is trying to drum up interest, and that's the whole point of the AP. We're being fooled into thinking we count more than we do, and I won't give BB the satisfaction by voting. To me the whole exercise is moot. I don't care what he does, only that he follows the rules as set out by BB and as we understand them. If he doesn't then he's not fulfilling his contract and I feel free to criticise him.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Jess wow! I really didn't see that one coming. Looks like America is mad at Eric.

It is going to be interesting to see how that works out. I skipped voting in this poll. First they didn't have giving America the silent treatment as an option. Second I am saving all my points and clicks for Dustin if he happens to end up on the block.

I still think Eric hurt himself by getting to firmly in an alliance. I am not even saying he had to be a total floater, just not be so vocal. If he had kept some of his ideas and opinions under wraps I think he would be in a better position at this point.

Look at Zach. He has always clearly voted how he wanted to. He made no bones about it. He didn't run around trying to hide it or make excuses. He can walk up and sit in any group of people in the house without being under attack. Granted he gets talked about and is not the most well liked. But, his rabbit tail has not had to sit in the hot seat yet either.

Maybe Zack should have been Americas player.

Makays
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07-12-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Makays a private message Print Post    
Lainee wrote


Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:25 am
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Funny, I could have sworn that Julie has said (as well as Eric) that he is in an alliance with millions of people...as such alliances work together...and I don't think America is trying to work with Eric. America is busy sabotaging Eric as well as sabotaging themselves.

I still shake my head at the number of posters over the years that have wanted input into the house, and now that they have those very same posters are not happy and in fact are hollering the loudest to sabotage Eric/America's Player...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'm with you on this. I am amazed at the amount of people who are trying their hardest to get him outted. It really struck home on Sundays show when he opened it up and saw Dustins name. My heart went out to him when I saw his reaction. It was like "you have got to be kidding me"
CBS needs to come up with a different plan to try and make some money. This AP is not working like they thought it would. It is backfiring big time.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Wanting to evict Dustin has nothing to do with sabotaging Eric's game. It has nothing to do with Eric, in fact, and everything to do with wanting Dustin out of the house.

Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cousin_jake a private message Print Post    
Well, now that we have a vote on the jury, he can go.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
IMO, we should not be trying to help Eric win $500,000 or even $50,000. If he's in the final two, we don't have a vote in the finals, and that ruins the whole twist!

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Costacat
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Wanting to evict Dustin has nothing to do with sabotaging Eric's game. It has nothing to do with Eric, in fact, and everything to do with wanting Dustin out of the house.


Costa I have been trying to say that for days without much success. It was however recommended I turn off BB feeds and watch regular TV .

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Yeah, I saw that Biloxi.

There have been accusations that some of America are intentionally sabotaging Eric's game. But from what I've seen of the votes, most of them seem to be strategic. Dustin has never been a fan favorite, and it makes sense for him to be nominated by America.

Note that Jen wasn't a fan favorite at the beginning, but she's really gained in acceptance. I don't think she'll be America's target for a while.

Dustin's vote to keep Eric has really made some people upset. And Dustin will end up paying for it, but not with $500K.

Roxibalboa
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08-15-2004

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxibalboa a private message Print Post    
I dont understand why Eric's name isnt listed in some of the choices to vote on. America's Choice, who would you like to see Eric get nominated? America's answer: Eric! If it's America's choice, Eric should also be an option

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Because BB won't let us, dammit! I think we should be allowed to vote to evict Eric!

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
I don't care what he does, only that he follows the rules as set out by BB and as we understand them.

But this is exactly the problem. They have never explained the rules to us and who knows what they told Eric? Nobody is sure if he must attempt tasks. All we know is the AP vote is the way his vote goes, but we don't know the rules for the other things. So even "we" don't understand the rules because they have never told us exactly what they are.

In hindsight, I still say he should have been on a salary with no chance to win. Then he could have gone along fully with what the vote was because he had nothing to lose. If he went out week 2 because the votes for his tasks were crazy then so be it. But the way it is setup there is an incentive for him to get to the end. I'd want some of my own input if that were me. And while we may see more because we see edited DR's, there are things he knows that we don't. He correctly knew that Nick was after him.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I am ok with the American Player thing as long as he votes the way we tell him to vote. I have always felt that we the viewer should get one vote. If Eric in any given week, does not vote the way we want him to vote then they ought to kill the whole AP deal.