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Iheartkaysar
Member
08-16-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:40 pm
Whether we are supposed to help Eric or whether he is supposed to play for us is kind of irrelevant. He can only play for us for as long as he is in the house. And some of the moves we are giving him could have/might get him kicked out of the house. To really work, AP would have to have completely different goals from the rest of the house. As it is, Eric has one of the same goals-- to win. The reason "The Mole" worked is because the mole had an entirely different agenda. I don't know if it's fair to expect Eric to wholeheartedly campaign to get someone out to win $10 000 when it jeopardizes his chance at $500 000. Or to jeopardize his stay in the house so that our "favourite" player can stay longer. Where's the benefit for him? In fairness, the banner really messed with Eric's strategy. He was doing a good job up until then. The only way America will have a true voice in the house is if viewers are allowed to vote directly-- for nominations or evictions. I too think Eric is a smart player and would be doing extremely well were he not AP. Perhaps a good quality in an AP is someone who is not as good at strategizing as Eric, someone who is just able to switch on a dime and sell it.
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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:45 pm
Lucymac - maybe not all, but clearly the majority, no? No I wouldn't say clearly the majority either. I know plenty of people that don't bother to vote. And quite honestly with vote bots etc. I don't believe the results of most online voting.
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:45 pm
OK then, the majority according to the voting?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:34 pm
Eric hasn't been paying attention. Dick and Danielle have never been the ones that America voted for him to get nominated. Dick has never been the one for him to vote to evict. If Eric wasn't so much into his own game, he'd stop and LISTEN to what America is saying. And after his little performance last week, I have no doubt that there are now some who don't like Eric. And messing up his game? That's not the goal. But if that's what happens as a result? Oh well, too bad, so sad.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:26 pm
The last AC was the lamest yet. Eric did not complete this task. BB bent the rules, encouraged Eric to lie and say he was sick and in quarantine, silly stuff about not being able to talk to anyone for 12 hours. WE have no way to know if BB told him to say this, or if he MADE IT UP as an EXCUSE not to have to talk to Jess. He made up that entire sob story he gave Kail back in week 1, you think he can't come up with a FAKE reason for him to avoid talking to Jess? BRILLIANT. I highly doubt BB gave him this story, in fact, I'm willing to bet $1 he made it up himself. So don't blame the producers. Blame Eric's imagination.

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Cruzlvr
Member
11-13-2003
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:46 pm
The rules say that BB gives Eric the task but it is up to Eric how he chooses to play it. For example the task for Eric to vandalize someone's stuff was given him but it was Eric who chose to do the mustard on the shirt. It wasn't BB who told him to do. He came up with that idea on his own. So yes, BB told him he had to give Jess the silent treatment and he came up with the idea of being "sick" as a way to give Jess the silent treatment without it being obvious that he was doing it. So he did complete the task. It never said that he couldn't give everyone the silent treatment too.
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:05 pm
#15 is a 'succeeded ' not a fail!
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:12 pm
so who is eric ignoring? or did he blow off this task?
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:22 pm
No blowing. Apparently, it was Jessica.
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:27 pm
thanks sfjf why haven't they showed the sunday tasks?
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:48 pm
Kona, just my opinion for what it's worth. BB certainly discussed it with Eric at length, he was in the DR for over an hour and a half. He was overheard telling Jam that BB told him to stay away from folks for 12 hours til meds kicked in.. either way he was telling a fib, which is ok, I just think it's a lame way of getting around the task at hand.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:02 pm
ZM, I don't really know about the previous ones, but I think they showed Eric talking to Jeesica about going to the final2 which was last Sunday's (Aug 5) task.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:27 pm
This isn't about liking Eric or not liking Eric. I have opinions too. Plus, we do not know all of the rules for Eric. (Seems he has to try each task, but how hard he has to push it is up to him or BB. I wish he could just refuse some tasks, but that doesn't look like an option for him.) Just get realistic. No one in the BB house has ever been able to do everything they wanted to do. Bottom line. Regardless of what is voted, we/he can't always make it happen. Get over it. What is best in the long term of a player (AP) is not always what is publicly wanted (Jen, Kail for several weeks). Your choice NOW is to help America or hurt America. (Not Eric, America) Please don't discount that. Even those of us with the live feeds DO NOT see everything. Eric is AP. Do you want America to win? That is the question. Even the TV shows are showing more about what votes help 'US' win (Eric and HOH). No we don't all get 500,000, but we do get bragging rights. So do you want to brag that you helped AP win, or do you want to brag to that you sqaushed America's chance to win? Disclaimer: No relation to Eric either family or friend.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:48 pm
LOL @ disclaimer. I really don't want Eric to win, I'm more interested in having the option to participate in the final vote. Now that Eric has made it to the sequester, that goal is complete . Eric is being compensated in addition to his stipend, which increases in sequester, so I don't feel bad.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:49 pm
Well put, Mummy35332. Unfortunately, some folks would rather sabotage the game than "win it" by proxy. It used to be that the only sabotage that so-called "fans" of BB could manage was to fly expensive banners....but now that we have been given AP, our own surrogate player (ostensibly to play along with), some folks just see it as a FREE way to sabotage the game with random, pointless votes rather than use it as intended - to play BB alongside our AP. I thought AP would be a lot of fun, but it seems some viewers prefer to undermine the whole concept rather than enjoy it or just ignore it.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 11:55 pm
I want America to play in the end game. Preferable final two, but I will take a jury vote. Just not yet. Let AP see more of what is really going on in the house, not just TV feeds of what the producers want him and the rest of those in sequester know.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:00 am
I agree SanFran. This seems like a vote Sanya (sp) thing. Is vote out the worse still online? I think I'll go look. If not then, some have caught the bug.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:11 am
Definitely preferable to keep Eric in the game as long as possible. If he goes America loses their only input into the game. So far I'm not impressed with the way he chooses to carry out his tasks, but it's better than no input at all.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:14 am
Didn't look for long, but didn't see a bb link on votefortheworse.com. I am assuming BB is under the radar. I love this show, how can it be unnder the radar?
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:27 am
The way Eric carries out his tasks is what keeps 'US' in the game. Give him tasks that hurt him in the game and you will see him bring up the topic, if it is not accepetable, then he will do what is best to keep him in the game. What would you do? Think of the timing between when things happen and when we get to vote. The TV audience is complety lost.
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Starshine40
Member
07-30-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:13 am
It really bothers me that so many people keep voting to basically sabatoge Eric's gameplay. Now this week he has to vote out Dustin when many (including Eric) of us prefer that he could vote out Dick. The fact that he HAS to vote in a way that is detramental to his own best interests was a big mistake IMO. Otherwise I like the idea of AP and think BB could have done a lot with it.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:26 am
It really bothers me that so many people keep voting to basically sabatoge Eric's gameplay. Me too. This last AC not only hurt Eric, it hurt Jessica too. I couldn't stand to see her cry!!! I am going to vote like crazy for Dick to go this week!!! IMO, it will help Eric, Jessica, and Dani too to get Dick out of the house!!! I could easily see Dani winning this whole thing without Dick. JMO.
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Gemma120in2002
Member
07-05-2003
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:33 am
I completely agree with you Iheartkaysar. My husband and I were having this discussion this morning. For Eric to be AP, he should have been hired as the mole. There should be absolutely no chance for him to win the prize money, but instead there should be a very good paycheck in it for him. He has his own strategy and his own ideas of how he wants to play this game, and that makes him a very bad candidate for AP. If his only concern was staying in the game so he could play it for us, he would be having a much better time of it. The producers also have a very large part of the blame in this situation. They set it up so that he would be like a puppet or a play thing. You can tell him who to make out with! WooHoo! Let's degrade someone for entertainment! That's just wrong. This whole twist needed to be more intelligently developed.
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Cousin_jake
Member
07-04-2002
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:47 am
It doesn't bother me a bit to sabotage Eric's game play. In fact I like to do it. If I liked him more as a person, I might consider what he wants but I can't stand him. Now that he's made sequester and we have a vote on the jury, that's fine. We now have one vote in deciding which of the final 2 takes the prize, other than that, he's totally disposable from now on as far as I'm concerned. I really don't care which nominee goes on Thursday. Neither Dick's big mouth nor Dustin's arrogant, mean-spirited ways will be missed by me. The only advantage to Dustin going is that it knocks the herd down from 5 to 4 so strategically, it would be best for Jen, Zach and Daniele to get rid of Dustin. If Dustin stays, Jen and Zach are ally 6 and 7 in that group and they must know that they would probably go first if they all make final 7. (Barring back to back to back HOH wins by Jen and Zach, which we all know rarely happens - just in Allstars!)
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Beruthiel
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 6:28 am
Sorry if this has already been posted... I haven't time to read everything since I was last here, since I have out-of-town guests arriving today... BUT - there's a link on the front page of Joker's to something from CBS about the rules Eric has to follow. He DOESN'T have a choice, He must make a determined effort, not a half-hearted one, to follow through on the results of the voting. It's an interesting read, and might settle some of the points raised in this discussion.
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