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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:57 pm
So you would like Dick more if he doesn't use the veto on Dani? Just wondering.
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:05 pm
I really don't think Dick can be blamed entirely for how poorly Danielle is doing in this game. She is the one who CHOSE to not try and get to know any of the other houseguests. She isolated herself from the others (while schmoozing with Nick) and she does in fact seem to "tolerate" sometimes even enjoy her father's rantings....as long as it is suiting her purposes. Only when she starts not getting her way does she start her infantile whining about how unfair this all is and she hates everyone and wants to go home.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:05 pm
I want Dick to use the veto on Dani so I can watch him walk out the door. The guy has ruined the game for me, his behaviour upsets me so much!
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:06 pm
Jimmer, I don't really care what he does. When I learned early on that as a young father he chose to give up his children, I realized what type of a person he was. Then when I watched how he treated Jen and Kail, I needed no more convincing, especially when his has-been buddies vouched for him on the last show by saying he is exactly the same outside of the house as he is in the house.
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:09 pm
What555456 said "When I learned early on that as a young father he chose to give up his children, I realized what type of person he was" There are lots of reasons young(er) parents give up their children and I don't think that defines WHO they are. I'm a foster mom and sometimes giving them up IS the absolute BEST thing they can do for their children.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:10 pm
So there is nothing Dick can do at this point to ever start to make amends with Dani, so there is no point in him even trying?
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:16 pm
Hiyall-- If the parent is a teenager or is physically or mentally incapable of raising the children, I agree. But Dick was not. He left them to travel, do drugs and play renegade. A man does not do that -- and especially a man does not give up full legal custody to his mother. If he needed a couple of more years to mature, he could have had them, then taken the kids back. He could have even been there, getting help form his mother to raise them. But he did not do that. He chose to give up all legal rights as a father. And then he traveled the world. I have seen so many men reject their children and they always have some reason or another. I simply have no respect for such men. It's not just Dick. It is all the men I see do this sort of thing, or not pay their child support or alimony or take up with a new woman and have no time for their children even when they have custody.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:19 pm
Jimmer, from my perspective, there is nothing Dick can do in the house to make amends with Dani. The pain he has caused her is obviously far too deep and she is not old enough yet nor mature enough yet to deal with it. If there is something to be done, it is going to be done through some major and serious counseling. Not on the sound stage of a TV show.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:35 pm
Clearly there is a point. As ham handed as he's handled his time in the house and as much as it has hurt Daniele's chances, as well as his own, it will end up being a shared experience. They have talked and gotten closer. Dani has indicated that she will expect that they will continue the dialog outside the house. She wants to travel and he has offered options in places where he has friends. This may or may not pan out. I assume that her brother Vincent will be a guest of Dick's at the wrap party, so he and Dani will at least be in the same place. It sounds like Dick has always been more bonded to his son, but this common experience with his daughter will create some bond. Dani has often talked about nobody understanding why they are estranged. I suspect that any of her friends who watched Big Brother will understand at least a little bit better, so she gets vindication. She will also hear his DRs about her and vice versa. Hopefully she will hear how proud he is of her and he will hear how embarrassed she is by his actions. === As for the veto, of course he should use it and I think he should use it on Daniele as he intended to do. For one thing, someone else (hopefully not Jen) will get to experience being on the block. Jessica has mentioned Dustin, Eric pushes Dustin, even Dustin mentioned himself, so I hope Dustin gets to go up. I think Dick will go anyway but I think any number of people Daniele, Jen, Zach, even Jameka) will seriously consider voting him out and that will make it easier next time Dustin is on the block.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:38 pm
"Why is Dani responsible for her father's actions?" NO ONE is saying that Daniele is responsible for Dick's actions. Dick is responsible for his his own actions. " Yes, Dick has a foul mouth, yes he gets in people's faces, and yes some of his remarks are pretty sharp....but...it is ok for Eric to make such sickening statements...and ok for Jameka to call Dick's mother names?" NO ONE (that I have seen) is saying that Eric and Jameka remarks were "ok". Simply pointing out the cruel and hateful remarks Dick has made to everyone, not to mention the sick, sexually violent threats he's made to at least one of the women and one of the men implies nothing at all about Eric and Jameka or what they said. "And for anybody who blames Dani for his actions, well, they NEED to grow up." NO ONE is saying that Daniele is to blame for what Dick's actions. DICK is responsible for his own behavior. Personally, I have pointed out that Daniele supports Dick's actions but I have not seen anyone say that she is responsible for them.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:42 pm
I guess I assume it because that is all I read on these feeds! Anytime there is mention of anything said or done by anyone else in the house...the comeback is: well, Dick did this or Dick said that. It's kind of hard not to assume. I agree, Dick has a lot to make up for with Dani, but hopefully, they can work it out. It is NOT an impossibility. I learned a long time ago that Hate is a horrible way to live. Neither of them can change the past, all the talking in the world, all the arguing, all the pointing fingers, will not change what has already happened. But people can change, (oh, and I know I will hear it for that remark, lol, because of his outbursts), but he truely does seem to care about Dani. I hope for both of their sakes they can move on and have some kind of relationship.
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:46 pm
I understand what you are saying What...but we honestly don't know the whole story and I would much rather see someone give their kids a home where they will be loved and kept safe then try to keep them because that's what they're supposed to do if they are not fully capable of providing them the stability they need. People do things for all kinds of reasons and most of the time we don't truly know what those reasons are.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:50 pm
"So there is nothing Dick can do at this point to ever start to make amends with Dani, so there is no point in him even trying?" Jimmer, I think he can try to make amends to Daniele and he can make promises to change, but I get the feeling that he's said and promised all that many times before. I don't think Dick is asking for a "second chance" with Daniele. I suspect it's more like he's asking for a "last chance"....for the umpteenth time!
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 11:20 pm
Perhaps D/D need a surprise guest to show up. Someone call Dr. Phil.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 11:54 pm
Actually, Dick said, early on in the season, I think in one of his late night soliloquies, something about maybe getting a Dr Phil intervention to help out. So, who knows? I'd say he'd be open to it.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 8:24 am
quote:Why do people assume that because some of us find Dick to be a vicious and vile abuser that we support or ignore what others have said?
Because there are 13 threads about The Bad Things(tm) that Dick has done, and none about the things Eric has said? (Behind people's backs, no less.)
quote:NO ONE is saying that Daniele is to blame for what Dick's actions. DICK is responsible for his own behavior.
Actually, this is not true. I read in at least two separate threads yesterday about people being upset at Daniele for not stopping her dad. Um, hello? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
quote:Anytime there is mention of anything said or done by anyone else in the house...the comeback is: well, Dick did this or Dick said that.
LOL Napa. Haven't you noticed by now? Did is responsible for everything in the house? Finally, there is a heckuva lot of speculation about things that NO ONE HERE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT!!!! You do NOT know the real reason why Dick left his kids with his mother. You do NOT know the reason why Daniele and Dick have been incommunicado. You don't know anything BUT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE HOUSE. Rampant speculation about Dick, his parenting abilities, and other whatnot is just that... speculation. Both Dick and Daniele have admitted they have problems they need to work on. Dick's offered to attend counseling session after they get out. Daniele's admitted they'll need to talk when they get out. Of course, Dick can't win with people no matter what he does. And Daniele, by association, is getting the same treatment.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:18 am
I have to say when I read all the 13 threads about how vulgar Dick is, then yes I think that some people think that Eric's and Dustin's behavior is ok. Mostly, I think that because I never see those posters calling out the other's bad behavior, all they say is how justified it is. I don't just call out Dustin's & Eric's disgusting comments because I can't stand it when people say vulgar things no matter who it is saying it. Dani has not been vulgar to any of them yet some posters say some very mean things about her.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:37 am
"You don't know anything BUT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE HOUSE. " But what do we SEE from Dick "in the house"? ABUSE. MISOGYNY. SEXUALLY VIOLENT THREATS. ABUSE. DISGUSTING PERSONAL HABITS. LIES. ABUSE. UNCONTROLLED RAGE. PERSONAL ATTACKS. THEFT. ENJOYMENT MAKING WOMEN CRY. NAME CALLING. CRUELTY. ABUSE. And Dick wants to go on Dr Phil? LOL That's just using his relationship with his daughter to get more TV time! If he was serious about getting help, he wouldn't be wanting to do it on television....especially after Daniele has said so many times that she doesn't want to work on their relationship in a public setting like BB.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:37 am
Dani still calls Zach an ogre (as of last night) and he's trying to help her. She is no innocent victim. Dick jumping when Dani says "How high" is not parenting, nor will it bond them. I'm sure she expects him to take her off the block, but if she won, she would have taken herself off. I do think he thinks it's the only way he can save Dani at this time. It's not really, with the AP vote. He could take himself off and if Jess foolishly put Dustin up, there's a good chance Dani would stay.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:45 am
OMG! You have to be joking, Dani called Zach an ogre? That is vulgar!
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 11:45 am
Didn't Dani's mother desert her? I thought Dani was raised by her grandmother. If one or both parents were taking drugs at the time then it was better for the grandmother to raise Dani.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 2:15 pm
Thanks Costa. I forgot but you are right Dick is responsible for everything. I cannot believe that with all the people in that house ONE person can be to blame for everything. LOL! I won't even go into all the things everyone else has done, with Dick no where in sight, I might add, because well....Dick is Dick. Let's blame the loud mouthed, tatooed guy, for EVERYTHING! I'm glad Costa you can at least see what I have been trying to say....WE DON'T KNOW THEM OR THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES, ONLY WHAT THEY WANT US TO KNOW. The next time these people sit down and have coffee or a beer with him....then I'll believe they REALLY know him, LOL!
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 4:16 pm
a lot of lifes problems being with dick. and what555456, you are making a lot of assumptions about dick. none of which are correct, according to his son. also in dani's live feed journal she never said anything negative about her dad.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 4:30 pm
Wow. Can anyone show me an example of someone blaming Dick for "everything"? Unless misogynistic, homophobic name calling, threats of violent anal rape, and constant verbal abuse constitute "everything", I suppose that must just be a sarcastic distortion to avoid staying on the topic of how Dick can save Daniele. Dick can save Daniele by officially becoming a BB loser when he saves her with the POV on Monday. Of course, that will only save Daniele from the "game"....she's on her own to protect herself from the "mean friend" she has in place of a father.
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Bicbicz911
Member
08-20-2005
| Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 4:43 pm
Just read the threads for examples of how everything is Dick's fault. Napa, for goodness sakes, you forgot SMOKER. Loud mouthed, tattooed SMOKER. One of the many reasons it's all his fault.
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