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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Perhaps Dick should have tried to raise his kids or involve himself more in their lives when they were younger. I don't know if that would have been best for them or not or whether he would have been allowed to do so.

Regardless, it seems that some people believe that there is nothing that Dick can do to make any sort of amends for the past. People make mistakes (sometimes grievous mistakes) and later regret those mistakes and try to make amends for them. Is it to anyone's advantage that they not be allowed to at least try to make things better?

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Jimmer I have no doubt that Dick loves Danielle. I am only opposed to that vicious mouth of his when he directs it at Jen etc. I have asked this several times but no one seems to answer. How would he feel if someone talked to Danielle the way he is talking to Jen/Kail?

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
They definitely should be allowed to try Jimmer. Good point.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"Is it to anyone's advantage that they not be allowed to at least try to make things better?"

I don't fault him for trying, but I think his expectations are way too high. He can't now choose to raise his "little girl" because he missed the train on that one and she's an adult now (immature, granted, but almost 21)....but that's what he apparently wants.

I think that's a totally different issue than the cruel, abusive behavior that he has shown to Jen and Kail. I don't know how he can expect Daniele to not take that kind of abusive behavior into account when he's trying to patch things up with her. She calls him a "mean friend" and he comes in the house and acts mean....REALLY mean. Is that supposed to make Daniele think he's changed?

She told him to his face that she can "never ever" forget all the the awful things he has said to her, things that hurt her so badly that she can never get past them. That sounds to me like Dick may not have been all that different to Daniele in the past than he is to Jen and Kail in the house in the present.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Joyfuld, that is a good question and one none of us really know the answer to. Hopefully, he would not like it one bit. Maybe after the show someone can ask him how he feels about Dustin calling his daughter a sk_nk. not skunk,lol Shoot, we might even find out on the show if Eric, Amber, Jess or Jameka tell him that Dustin said that. would there be fireworks? IDK

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
I am sure there would be fireworks if he found out what they said behind her back. Behind the back ugly talk is bad too. It is just that constant brow beating debasing and ugly rantings he goes on and on with the other girls that bothers me. As I said it is much like my father treated my mother. It was constant and it was meant to beat her down mentally and physically. I see too much of him in Dick. I guess what I am trying to get across is my dad was an abuser and Dick is a carbon copy of him. I hope this makes sense.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
Totally understandable Joyfuld. We all bring our own life experiences in our analysis of Big Brother.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Milos :-)

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
It makes perfect sense. Joyfuld.

Shellylyn
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07-29-2007

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shellylyn a private message Print Post    
Makes perfect sense to me as well, I watched my mother go thru mental and physical abuse and I got the mental, what dick has done in the house IS ABUSE plain and simple, those that think it isn't abuse are intitled to that opinion, but for those of us who have lived it, we can see little things in him that remind us of our own experiences. The main thing with dick is this, if you agree with everything he says and does, I am sure you would get along just fine, but disagree with him, or have your own opinion that differs from his, then watch out, cause you just crossed his path, he is totally My way or the highway kind of guy.

Napa1526
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07-14-2007

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Napa1526 a private message Print Post    
I get a good laugh everyday coming in to read these feeds! Thanks everyone. IMO from everything I've read..people either like Dick or HATE him....there is no in between. The ONE thing I would like to point out, however, is NOBODY knows what took place in Dick's younger days to make him or pursuade him to give his children to his mother. NOBODY! And things CAN change. I know this personally. I was placed in an orphanage when I was 2 by my mother. She was going through some rough times, (no alcohol or drugs were not an issue) and she could not or at least felt she could not raise my brother and I. My father got us out after a few years (a lot more involved but giving the short version here). I was very bitter for many years and couldn't understand how a mother could do that for ANY reason. However, through the years I have come to forgive her and love her. We ALL make mistakes and who can say what each of us feel in our hearts...and how much suffering took place when Dick had to make that decision. I finally did have a relationship with my mom and came to understand things a little better. I don't think it is up to any of us to judge someone for a life changing decision they made because none of us know what that person is feeling and we don't know what lies ahead for us. The first thing someone says to me when they learn I was in an orphanage is OMG, WHAT kind of a mother did you have. Thankfully, I never had to make such a huge decision in my life, but I WILL be the LAST person to judge someone when I don't know what they are feeling or what caused them to come to such a decision. I only hope Dani and Dick CAN regain a relationship...but that is up to them and them ALONE.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
All of the following is based on what I have seen of Dick in the house.

I don't hate Dick. Does that mean that I like him? I do like some things about him.

I like that he seems to care about his daughter. I like that he seems to want what he thinks is best for her. I like that he is trying to build a relationship with her and that he feels bad about the past.

Do I like the way he talks to Jen and other people in the house? No. Do I like everything about the way he talks to Dani? No. Do I think he is approaching his relationship with his daughter in the best way? No.

So some things I've seen I like and some I don't.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
My opinion of Dick is based on his actions IN the house. Regardless of his reasons for giving up Daniele, he is abusive and cruel IN the house and Daniele has told him she can never ever forget all the horrible things he has said to her and how they hurt her SO badly.

If Dick was my father and we were in the BB house and he wanted to make amends to me but I saw him abusing Jen and Kail as cruelly as he does, I'd realize he hasn't changed from being a "mean friend" and that his abusive behavior is not something I'd volunteer to be around.

Streetsmart
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08-06-2006

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Streetsmart a private message Print Post    
I'll never forget the conversation Dani had with Amber where she said Dick was (Alledgedly) verbally abusive to her as a child and would (Alledgedly) spit in the kids faces.

That was all i needed to hear about him. And its not me saying this it was his own daughter.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I know you see it that way Sanfran but you are an independent observer. People who are involved in these situations often see things differently.

For example, a daughter may not approve of her Dad's cursing and use of bad language. However, if someone verbally attacks her and her Dad springs to her defense and in the process swears and curses and calls the other person horrible names, the daughter may see that differently.

That is horrible if he did that to her as a child and that may be part of a history that Dick will have to try to overcome in his present day relationship with her. I'm trying to recall if Dick has ever cursed at Dani during their time in the BB house? The fact that he tries to influence her actions and impose his opinion on her does not in itself make him abusive.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Jimmer I do not recall that he has cursed her in the house.

Shellylyn
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07-29-2007

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shellylyn a private message Print Post    
No, I dont think he has, main reason being he is trying to make up for everything he done in the past, I dont know what happened between them, none of us do, but you can tell when they talk about their relationship, it hurts dani to talk about it, she doesn't want to hug him, she just shrivels up and doesn't want to deal with it, That shows me that whatever did happen between them, hurt her very bad and she is not getting over it easy at all. Just doesn't say much about him.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Streetsmart did Danielle say that as a child her Dad would spit on her and her brother? ack!

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I have been involved in such a situation. I walked away from it after 28 years and my life drastically improved the minute I cut that hateful person out of my life. I've never looked back but I hear from relatives how that person is still just as toxic and abusive as ever...only now it's directed at other relatives instead of me. Those same relatives thought I was overreacting when I walked away from that person and that abuse, but since then, many of them have received the brunt of that behavior and have done likewise.

Shellylyn
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07-29-2007

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shellylyn a private message Print Post    
I remember that conversation, her and amber were sitting on the couch in the bathroom, And she did say that about her dad.

Streetsmart
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08-06-2006

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Streetsmart a private message Print Post    
I dont want to take her comments out of context. She said he would be 1'4" away from her face screaming and swearing at her and spit would be flying from his intimidation.

He didnt just walk by a hack a lugy at her. But doing that to a child is horrible and if any of us were in a mall and seen a parent doing that we might have to step in.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Oh Street :-( I guess it is very hard for Danielle to forgive him if he treated her like that. Kudos to her if she can.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It certainly sounds that walking away from that was a good thing for you to do Sanfran.

However, that person was being directly abusive to you. Dick may have a lot to make up for from the past. However, I'm trying to recall from his present day actions if we have ever seen Dick being abusive to Dani in the house.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
But Streetsmart, even if he did stand 1'4" away from a little girl and scream at her, swearing at her, calling her names, apparently we still don't know if Dick is abusive outside of the house and therefore we cannot call what he is doing in the house as abuse.

Sheesh!

I find Dani's body language fascinating when Dick is around. So often she seems to wrap her body into a ball of sorts -- tremendously self protective. And that is often when they are having a "nice" chat.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It sounds like Dick was abusive to Dani in the past. Has he been abusive to Dani in the BB house?