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Lafatme
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06-23-2005

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 2:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lafatme a private message Print Post    
sanfran, i meant that the dumb guy is never asian, hispanic, arab, or african-american. the woman also is never portrayed as the dumb one.

perhaps the neighbor from bewitched could fall into that category, although she was portrayed mostly as a busybody rather than dumb.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 2:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
i think we need more people like howard stern, offending vast segments of the population until we all get thicker skins.

OMG, nooooooooooooooo!

<runs screaming from thread>

Lafatme
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06-23-2005

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 2:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lafatme a private message Print Post    
i think the solution is to say "that relationship sucked" rather than blame the other person. it always takes two to some extent.

example: my first wife didn't suck, i didn't suck, but our marriage did because we were too young and didn't really know what we were doing or how to make it better.

so WE SUCKED. both of us are okay now that we are apart though.

that's life. now let me go, i really gotta work.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
No one has yet explained why it's okay to call women "b*tches" but wrong to use slurs against other groups though. That's all I'm asking.

I don't find women who constantly complain about and put down men to be pleasant or funny either. But not all women are like that. It's the sweeping generalizations that bug me.

As for the jokes at men's expense, I sympathize but am always reminded of a quote from the novel we read here at TVCH as a book group, I Don't Know How She Does It - "Women make jokes about men on the Net all the time—wry, helpless, furious jokes—but the stuff some of the guys send? Well, a gynecologist would need to go and lie down." (Did that generalization bother anyone? :-) ) It's the really hate-filled, threatening nature of some of the things said about women that disturb me. I'd take being the doofus in tv commercials over that any day.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I don't think it has anything to do with being a truth teller. I think it has to do with his inability to let someone be fake. He seems to be able to handle the waaaa waaaa waaaa from Amber though it annoys him, but can't handle Kail's rightousness (could be because of his mom, who knows?)

What I like about him is that he says what he feels. Like what he says or not, you know where you stand. I don't call that being a bully, nor do I see that as abusive. He is unorthodox no doubt.

Yes, he lectures..he might see Jen as a daughter figure and I could see him trying to see herself in a less shallow way last night. If I were in that house I would have done the exact same thing (it's a mom thing). Somehow I doubt that he would be silent if Danielle were prancing around half naked and flaunting herself like Jen does.

I also think had a man done what Jen did by being so inconsiderate while he was sleeping he would have said exactly the same thing to them, but they didn't.

Dolphinschild
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06-22-2006

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dolphinschild a private message Print Post    
Here is your cute pass Lafatme!

Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
I guess I need to inform my boyfriend, brother, father, uncles and grandfathers that I discriminated against their gender today because I was not telling the truth when I said men suck. Should make for interesting dinner conversation.

My opinion on the calling someone a "bi**ch" is that I guess I don't take that as a cut down to just one group as specifically as some of you must. I think that people in general have a day and act like an a** or a bi**ch. We have all had our moments, some way more than others. I don't hear the word b**tch and think OMG they have just cut down my whole gender.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"sanfran, i meant that the dumb guy is never asian, hispanic, arab, or african-american."

I see what you mean. The problem with that is if they make the "dumb one" an ethnic person, it will become a big racial controversy.

"the woman also is never portrayed as the dumb one. "

You're forgetting about about Lucy Ricardo and Ethel Mertz!

I also remember Burns and Allen. Gracie Allen was hysterically stupid! Everythiong she said was both really dumb and really funny. Of course, I'm an old fart so a lot of folks won't remember her.

Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
Chrissy Snow
Marilyn Monroe
Gracie Allen to die for!
Laverne and Shirley

Dolphinschild
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06-22-2006

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dolphinschild a private message Print Post    
Don'g forget all the blonde jokes!

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
SanFran....Laffy is an old fart too, he'll remember. hehehe

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
:-)

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
I would just like to say that I'm really enjoying reading this thread and all the different viewpoints.

This is what makes Dick a great addition to the show, he sparks a good debate!

I think the problem in the BB house is that none of these young women are strong enough to stand up to Dick. The only one coming close was Jen, and the best she could do was try to get a word in edgewise, agree with him in some instances, and not run away! LOL! As for Kail, she seems like a sheltered and naive woman who can't handle Dick either, even tho she's older than the other females in the house.

This is why BB needs to stop casting ONE 'old' guy with all these twentysomethings!

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I am a blond and I can say I have had to listen to those jokes for years..but guess what "I'm not dumb" so why would I take offense to them? I call myself a bi**h because I am, (no rose colored glasses here). I also might add that guys are calling guys b**chs these days, so it no longer is exculsive to women.

Obviously Dick has problems with women who are shallow and anyone who uses their rightiousness as superiority..it just so happens the only ones in the house who have fallen into those catagories are Jen and Kail. If he gives a pass to any of the men if they display those tendencies then I will come back and say "Dick hates women"..but I won't mean it.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
This is what makes Dick a great addition to the show, he sparks a good debate!

That is so true!

Maris
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03-28-2002

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
Sanfran,I absolutely loved the George and Gracie show. When I was a kid I was fascinated that George could watch what was going on in the house when nobody knew it.

Gracie was great, pure genius especially in the show dialogues at the end. Loved the show.

Lucy was spectactular too.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 4:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
George - Say "Goodnight", Gracie.

Gracie - "Goodnight Gracie!"

:-)

Drifter83204
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02-22-2005

Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 5:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Drifter83204 a private message Print Post    
Amazing insightful discussion. Read the entire thread and thank you all. I like Dick.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
From last night's live feeds:

07/20/07 01:03 AM
ED to Kail: telling bits and pieces to everyone is just as bad

as a lie. He says his mother does it, and that's what he hates

about his mother, even tho she is an ordained christian

minister. He tells Kail she f'd up so bad the day after the

hammock, if she hadn't, it would be Jen going home.


I think Kail reminds Dick of his mother, whom he seems to have a love/hate relationship. He has seemed very angry @ Kail since the beginning of the game. She has been his No. 1 target. Is he replacing Kail with his mother?

Jeannie23
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07-16-2007

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeannie23 a private message Print Post    
I don't care if Dick is confusing Kail with his mother. I just want her smug face out of the house.

Oddsygirl
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07-11-2006

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oddsygirl a private message Print Post    
I don't think that Dick is confusing anyone with his mother. He was explaining to Kail why he got so upset with her and gave the example that is also what he dislikes about his mom.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
As in any scientific study, you can find "facts" to prove your point. However, as in any scientific study, taking a "fact" and twisting it to prove a point (or omitting other facts) is one way to invalidate a study.

Dick is not confusing anyone with his mother. Dick didn't like the way Kail handled herself in the beginning of the game, hasn't liked the way she's played the game (especially since she supposedly is a fan), and dislikes the way she retells a story, omitting some facts.

So my study reference actually works two ways... to invalidate the claim that Dick is confusing Kail with his mother, and to explain why Dick is less than infatuated with Kail's fact-telling games.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Dick reacts to women in ways that fit with his experience with other women in his life. Your experience with your mother is pretty basic. We all reenact our original family issues- particularly negative experiences- throughout our lives unless we can somehow resolve and get past them. I don't think Dick has done this. He doesn't just dislike Kail, or want to get her out for strategic game reasons, he really seems to loathe her. The intensity is a bit much for someone he met only 3 weeks ago.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
I would say that it's highly possible that one of Dick's issues with Kail is that she does something he particularly hates because of his experiences with his mother. That does not mean he is mistaking her for his mother or that he hates all women because his mother used to spin stories in the ways she wanted by leaving out important details.

It means that particular thing pisses him off in a great way and Kail did it. I don't see how we got from Dick giving Kail context for his reaction to what she did to him mistaking her as his mother.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, July 20, 2007 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I would say that it's highly possible that one of Dick's issues with Kail is that she does something he particularly hates because of his experiences with his mother.

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. He does look at Kail as a mother, however, and he has issues with his mother.

I agree, Kmjm, there is way too much loathing for just knowing her this amount of time.

ETA: Kail has not 'lied' to Dick. It's this back and forth wanting each other out and what people are telling them that is the problem. What Dick sees as 'lying' is different from what I'm seeing.