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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:35 am
As far as I know, he wins the 500k if he wins. The America's Player task was not well defined. What I find strange is that the same people who feel that the DR is successfully influencing the other players by trying to keep Eric in the game, also seem to think that BB is powerless to get Eric to follow America's wishes. Obviously, BB thinks that Eric is playing according to their rules for America's Player. They did set it up so that Eric constantly faces a conflict of interest between what America wants and what he feels he needs to do to succeed and win the money. Maybe BB felt this was a good thing and would be entertaining. They may be right – we're certainly talking about it!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 9:49 am
quote:I spent a good deal of time Thursday voting for Dustin to be up. I was told over and over I was not only ruining Eric's game but fun for other people. The truth is I wasn't trying to ruin anything for anybody. I just wanted Dustin gone, still do.
And that is what amazes me. And really starts to get irritating. Again, who's to say the votes to evict Dick or Dani aren't ruining MY FUN????
quote:While you vote to mess up Eric's game, you also hurt my vote as well. I don't understand the fairness in that at all. If we play strategically as opposed to hurting the AP for a perceived wrong, won't we win in the end?
Again, who says anything about messing up Eric's game? And actually, since Eric is supposed to be representing ME, I think Eric doing what he wants is messing up MY game. I am voting strategically. I am voting for Eric to do what I WANT HIM TO DO to advance the players THAT I LIKE. Finally, I do not like Eric. I haven't since the beginning, and each time he plays to further his own goals and not doing as America requests, he falls further and further from favor. I'm at the point now where I could give a damn about Eric and will start voting just to mess HIS GAME up. Since he so obviously doesn't care about what America wants him to do. Eric is playing by the "rules" as laid out by CBS. But really, the ONLY THING he has no choice over is the vote to evict. His halfhearted attempts at all of the other tasks, almost half of which he's failed at, may be part of the game. But his "conflict of interest" during which he pretty much thumbs his nose at America, is not gaining him many fans. As far as whether BB is powerless to get Eric to follow America's wishes... well, if I actually trusted the producers, I may actually trust what they say is America's vote for each task. I have no proof one way or another so I have to assume they are telling us the truth. But the machinations in the DR... that is true. Eric should have been evicted this past week. And because he's still in the house, I'm no longer spending any money on anything related to this show. Until he's out of the house (hopefully, along with Dustin, Amber, and Jameka), I've lost interest. I'm not interested in having MY choices messed around with.
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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:20 am
When you think about it, America's Player should really be playing to try to get America's favorite person to win the whole thing. Since Eric wants to win, and from all the polls he's not the fave, it's a lose-lose proposition. To me though that is the fault of BB and not the fault of Eric. He should have been a hired employee, ineligible to win if that was the case. That might have worked better for everybody but unfortunately he thought he was going in as a regular player and then they said the only way is if you will be AP. I think BB made mistakes on the way this was set up and I don't fault Eric for that or for wanting to win.
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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:35 am
So personally I don't feel Eric has what it takes to be AP. I feel he is the one that is responsible for splitting the house. He forgot America gets to see all. He didn't put his trust in what the majority of America wanted. So now instead of America guiding him seamlessly into what I hoped would be the final 2, he is left to dangle in the wind. IMO America didn't hurt Eric. Eric hurt Eric. I'm not so sure America would have been guiding him seamlessly into the final 2. And I'm not so sure that is what the majority of Americans who vote online wanted. I keep hearing that we see and know more than Eric. But Eric seemed more accurate in his thinking that Nick would come after him. Nick said he felt like Eric was shady the first few weeks since he seemed to dodge having opinions. (Possibly waiting to get a feel for what America wanted?) And since Nick has left the house he has confirmed that he would have put Eric on the block if he got HOH. So maybe in hindsight Eric was right after all to want Nick out. Ultimately I think Nick was a help for Dick but he would have been a problem for Eric. I can totally understand if Eric or AP is not a favorite of some and that they would prefer to see Dick or somebody else go father in the game. I can understand how they want Eric's moves to help their favorite as opposed to Eric. But in reality I think the eviction of Nick, who I liked, was the right thing for Eric's game if he wants to win.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:36 am
I don't fault Eric that he wasn't choosen to be just another "regular" player. Just as I do not fault any of the other contestants who didn't make it past finals. Unfortunately for Eric though, he was not chosen as a "regular" player and so shouldn't be playing as such...
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 11:29 am
Eric is a regular player who is trying to win 500k and who also has the opportunity to win extra cash by promoting America's Choice. That is the way BB set it up.
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 11:39 am
I don't care if Eric is supposed to be playing for us he doesn't represent me thats for sure. I find him to be an <el>. He talks a lot of Sh*t behind peoples back. I sort of enjoy watching him have to vote the way we tell him when he doesn't want to. I just want him to have to vote for Dick or Dani and have the others wonder again where that extra vote came from. I would much rather have dick as AP. I'd even prefer Zach or Amber.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 11:47 am
The whole concept of AP was for America to have a voice through Eric. NOT for Eric to have a voice through America. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out America wanted Kail out...she was chosen how many weeks?...and yet who did he push for...NICK. Getting Kail out would have been one of the easiest tasks he had to complete. He has not been playing for America...and I am NOT playing for him. I remember him saying, America, I'm here for you. Right! You are here for me, Eric, as much as I am here for you!
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Dbald
Member
08-04-2007
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 11:51 am
Bravo Costa. Counldn't have said it better myself
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 12:18 pm
Eric is a regular player who is trying to win 500k and who also has the opportunity to win extra cash by promoting America's Choice. That is the way BB set it up. Exactly. I really wish more people viewed it that way.
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Carmil
Member
07-17-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 12:36 pm
A hired CBS employee, not eligible to win the game, that had the instincts and charisma of someone like Dr. Will Kirby would've been the perfect AP. With all the wannabee actors out in Hollywood, I don't think it would've been difficult for BB producers to fill this role and make it work.
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 1:19 pm
Carmil, I like your suggestion.
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Streetsmart
Member
08-06-2006
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 1:20 pm
Eric isnt doing anything wrong
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 1:56 pm
In my mind Eric isn't doing anything "right". He has managed to alienate the people is supposed to be representing.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 2:01 pm
"He has managed to alienate the people is supposed to be representing." Not all of us. I don't feel alienated at all.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 2:03 pm
What Cmist said. He's definitely not doing anything right. He's certainly not representing America. When America tells him what to do, he essentially thumbs his nose at us and does what he wants to do. "Eric isnt[sic] doing anything" right!
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Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 4:09 pm
Let's not talk in hyperbole. I don't see him thumbing his nose at America. He's completed or tried to complete nearly every task.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 4:14 pm
Getting himself (AKA - we viewers) evicted would be "thumbing his nose at us". Eric has not done that, in spite of the efforts of his detractors.
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 4:37 pm
Some of Eric's attemps to complete the tasks were not honest attempts. He was merely mouthing the words to be able to say he tried. Granted there were a few that he didn't try and I can't fault him for those that he knew were pointless when he was on the block.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 4:40 pm
"Some of Eric's attemps to complete the tasks were not honest attempts." However, he did make honest attempts to keep himself (AKA us) in the game.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 5:01 pm
Look at the list above. The ONLY task that Eric did not try 100% was to keep Nick from being evicted. He tried to get Jess nominated (and, boy, has he paid for that one, America!) he tried to get into Joe's bed, he tried hard to save Mike but Dustin and Amber flat out refused and Eric had no recourse. He tried with the slogan (and was quite funny and entertaining during that spree). As for the flattering, if it WAS Dick who was selected, it's not like Eric could get near Dick to talk to him reasonably. Plus, Dick was selected for the purpose of torturing Eric, so Eric wasn't thumbing his nose, he was too busy trying to save his own behind. As for who to get nominated...if it WAS, in fact, Dustin that was chosen, it's not like Eric could have swung that. However, he is TRYING to set the foundation for it to happen in the future so he IS trying to please America. Of course, then people get all up in arms that he is trying to do things in advance, instead of waiting for orders. There are times when Eric makes me cringe. There are times when I wish he would shut his mouth. But, overall, I don't think he's a bad guy. I am completely impressed that he has managed to get this far without a personal vote and trying to follow the whims of a very fickle audience. I don't think anyone else could have done this well, including the puppet-master Will.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 5:55 pm
Eric is not going to wait for America's choice Tuesday night, he fears it will be Dustin (as he must have been for nominations) and so he'll make sure Jessica puts Jen or Zach up, most probably Jen against Dick. I doubt America will pick Jen again for eviction and so Eric will win his task. This is unfair advantage, as Eric knows the mood of the viewers and makes his moves accordingly.
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Beruthiel
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 6:00 pm
Too bad we can't vote for Eric. Listen to the filth HE'S putting out there.
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Agirlcalledbob
Member
08-12-2005
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 6:02 pm
I would be awesome if there was yet another stray vote to make the houseguests question him or each other.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 6:16 pm
I don't call a few minutes of mentioning something trying. As for the slogan, he said it right after he got the message, (about 20 times in a row), went to Dick and did everything but tell him he had to get people to say this, and that was that. As for getting in Joe's bed, that lasted about 3 minutes...nobody made him get up. He gets a task, makes a slight attempt at it...and it's done. I would have hoped the person they chose for AP would have put a little more effort in completing each task. Eric has been a big flop, and his mouth is as bad as Dick's. The big difference between them is Dick has the balls to tell people to their faces, Eric goes behind their backs. And the incest remarks were WAY out of line. He is NOT my player....he's an embarassment to America.
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