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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:12 am
Just thought we could have a thread to talk about strategy on BB and offer some examples of good and bad strategy. There hasn't been a lot of good strategy this year. Mostly it has been emotional play. One example of bad strategy or no strategy was Nick going after Jen during the tea pouring incident. I think he had a chance of getting Jen's vote if he had played it right. Now it appears that he has completely given up.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:15 am
Personally, I don't think this group would know strategy if it walked up and smacked them in the face. JMHO
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:20 am
I agree Scooter. For example, a dream scenario of good strategy would have been for Dick, Daniele and Nick to get together and try to figure out a way for Nick to get Jen's vote. Dick suggests that the plan would be that he and Daniele would verbally attack Jen and then Nick (the "hero" of the scenario) would come by and defend Jen and therefore get on Jen's good side. LOL – Ya right like that would happen? No ... instead they all attack Jen including Nick when there is absolutely no strategic purpose in doing so.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:25 am
***oops that should have read wouldn't**** @ 9:15 Jimmer...be a pal
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:28 am
I think you mean they are no good at strategy? Which is what you said. 
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:36 am
LOL...no wonder you're a mod...carry on!
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Sidecar
Member
07-23-2007
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:39 am
You would think after seven seasons, there would be some high level strategy going on. Another example is voting off the "annoying" people. Well if the consensus is the someone is annoying or negative, wouldn't you want to try to keep them around, hopefully to the end, where everyone would then vote them off?
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:44 am
I thought Dustin had a good strategy until he botched his entire game by taking two prizes in the PoV comp. He'd made friends with everyone and had a strong alliance as a base. He even worked to solidify his relationship with Kail while nominating her and made sure Jen knew she was not the target. He did hurt Jen's feelings by not giving her a heads up, but I think she won't hold it against him.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:54 am
I agree that Dustin was playing an outstanding strategic game up until the point where he took the prizes in the POV. He overcame Joe's negative influence (maybe that was even a help to him), made friends with everyone and had no real enemies and people going after him. Even his nominations were good and as a bonus Dick convinced everyone that Dustin should put up a replacement nom that actually reduced Dick's power in the house. We'll have to see how much taking the prizes hurt him. I think where he may have got into trouble as well is that he really wanted Jen, Kail or Jameka to win the POV and he got carried away and just played the POV too well. Eric is playing a pretty good strategic game though personally I think his partner (the public) are pretty bad at strategy or maybe don't care about strategy and that is hurting him.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:54 am
Well, you can say the early part of the game you really can't strategize too much; -Stay under the radar, and if it looks like a vote is going to be a landslide, don't go against it, unless you get an understanding from the others that it's a "pity vote". -Alliances formed here almost never work out if it involves more than 2 people; decide who you want to work with in this stage and stick with it unless there's serious trouble. But this is the first week of the "middle game"; barring anything screwy, whoever is HOH has some control on who the jury will end up being (specifially, the last person not to be on it). -If you have any real enemies, or people you think will not vote for you in the final two no matter who you were up against, you want your nominations set up so that you are sure one of them likely goes. -If POV messes you up, Plan B is to go after stronger players who could win HOH comps. This middle game usually lasts till you get down to rthe final 5. During this time: -you want to eliminate people who would probably vote for you, but try to have someone else do the dirty work in actually getting them out. -If you need to make temporary alliances with "enemies", do so, especially to get rid of stronger threats. -Have an eviction order in your head, but don't mention it to anyone, and be ready to change it if the circumstances require it. Once you get to the final 5, you have to start thinking about the final 2 and who you think you can beat in a final vote but there are some tricky areas: -the most dangerous week for anyone is the week of the final 5 HOH. -If you're HOH that week, that means you can't compete in the final 4 HOH, so you would need to win POV that week or have someone you're allied with win it. -Conversely, not being HOH in final 5 means it's likely you might go up, especially if there is a veto. In that case, you'll probably need an ally in the HOH that week, as a tie is extremely probable. -You have to decide when you have to take a chance; the final 5 or the final 4. At this point you may have to pick a final 2 alliance partner and stick with it, but make sure it's someone you have a chance at winning a final 2 vote with, but who can also win the final 3 HOH if you can't. -a caveat here: If you are the veto holder in the final 5, veto your alliance partner out if needed, then decide who is the person who is least likely to partner with the HOH, and keep them. If you can't do that, evict the person most likely to win the final 4 HOH if one of you can't play it. The key here is to optimise you or your alliance partners chances of winning POV and having the sole eviction vote. If you survive to the final 3, it's then a matter of either winning HOH and picking the person who you think you can beat or convincing the other 2 people that their best chance of winning is taking you to the final 2. -I seriously doubt more than 1 or 2 votes will be "in play" with the jury; the others will have already made their minds up. -Concentrate on those wildcards and their questions, play up to them, but don't overdo it. -Consider the last person evicted before the final two as a likely vote against you if you were HOH, but a likely vote for you if you weren't. After the jury questioning, it's out of your hands, -So just remember you gave it your best shot and had a unique experience no matter what the result ends up being. These aren't hard and fast rules of course, and twists and POV can mess everything up, especially the final 4 one.
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Christy358
Member
07-10-2007
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:10 am
Wow
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Delilah
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:40 am
Wilson -- you should be on the show! I doubt any of the people this season have thought as much as you about their "strategy."
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:42 am
That is an impressively detailed theoretical analysis of overall BB strategy! So a large part of the early game involves not making yourself a target, not forming large alliances too quickly and not playing emotionally. So out of the players remaining in the game, Kail certainly failed on the alliance part right away. Dick, Daniele and Nick are playing a very emotional game. Also, although we don't know for certain how it happened, Jen started the game by offending Dick rather than playing to his ego and therefore made herself a target (not to imply that she in any way deserved to be a target but we are talking about strategy here). Dick strikes me as a fairly easily manipulated player. Ironically, if Jen had played him right she could have had him wrapped around her little finger. Everyone else is pretty much coasting to a large degree though there have been a few key strategic moves on their part.
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Pattie444
Member
07-03-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:50 am
Wilson I think I love you. Can I be in your alliance ?
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:54 am
Carol was gone... well, she really didn't have a chance to develop a strategy, but she didn't really care enough to try. Joe was gone... well, it was a mix of bad luck (to be backdoored) but also maybe because he did have a strategy that could have worked well (the ultimate floater) Mike was gone because he made a mess of his strategy, if you can call that a strategy... Nick will be gone because his strategy was to attach himself to a girl with a father in the house.. or Kail will be gone because her strategy was to be the pawn... and we know what happens to pawns.. The others will fail because of weak strategies.. and Eric is trying to juggle too many pies and one will end up on his face. The winner wins by luck..
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:54 am
Duh Pattie...Wilson said that early alliances nearly never work out, and since I'm in Wilson's alliance, you just boogered the whole thing up.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:59 am
As an early alliance, I think Wilson, Hukd and Pattie must now be considered a threat. 
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:02 am
Thanks for outting us, Jimmer. ::throws tea::
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:03 am
They aren't a threat to me because I'm a floater playing under the radar (but don't tell anyone or they'll come after me)
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:05 am
(Jimmer avoids the tea and looks for suspicious floaters) Seriously, I think one of the biggest missed strategic opportunities in this game was Jen's failure to play on Dick's ego. If she had showed any sort of positive interest in him, he wouldn't have tried to get her nominated or vote her out in a hundred years. Jen (gushing): "Oh Dick. I love hearing all your stories about the important people that you have met!" Oh well.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:07 am
Floaters, bah! I hate it when people don't flush the toilet!
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Doublethink
Member
08-23-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:16 am
I so agree Jimmer - I really wish we had live feeds that first week. I'm curious how that week played out. I think Carol was involved somehow. I can't remember Dick's comment, but he said something about choosing Amber over Carol that made me think something happened between those two. Carol and Jen also apparently connected at at some level. In one of Carol's exit interviews, she intimated that she wasn't a fan of Dick.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:24 am
That is how I see it too, Doublethink. I think that Jen was either playing emotionally or she thought that Dick was a typical "easy older man target" that could be easily isolated and vilified. She turned someone who could have been a huge potential ally into a totally angry, obsessed enemy in the house. Now whether or not this was all Jen's fault or not is disputable because we don't have the feeds from the first week, but I don't think that Jen's problem was that Dick initially found her unattractive. I would say precisely the opposite.
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Pattie444
Member
07-03-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:30 am
Jimmer do you want to be in a secret alliance ? Dont tell huk
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Doublethink
Member
08-23-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:36 am
Again agree - I said it before Dick "doth proteth too much." She also had a chance to fix the mistake with her HOH nominations, but by going along with Kail on the "get out Dick campaign," she blew it again. They might have reached a detente if that hadn't happened.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:45 am
Ah …. The old multiple secret alliance strategy, Pattie. Second time I've fallen for that this week! So with respect to multiple and sub-alliances, right now we've got the LNC in a big alliance, Eric and Jessica in a sub-alliance (not sure?) and Dick and Daniele in a sub-alliance. Then we've got Dustin in a secret (sort of) alliance with Amber and Jameka (and Kail)? Jen and Kail are in an alliance. Nick thinks he is an alliance with D & D? Zach isn't in an alliance with anyone but he likes the guys? Have I got it covered?
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:49 am
don't forget that Eric is in an alliance with America
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:50 am
thanks for the compliments....My thinking was just based on how these games have been played..this hasn't been the best season stratigically so far, but I sense things might be about to break (I think the LNC is an non-issue now...I don't necessarily think that if anyone in that group -other than D/D, and even Dick might have pause for strategic reasons-win, it'll be a Jen/Kali/Zach week automatically..they know D/D are a pair that need to be busted up, preferably one this week, as they'll have more influence as the numbers get smaller.) and I don't know if the Jen/Dick feud started at that first food comp or not...not having the feeds for a week sorta missed out on some of the true first impressions.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:06 pm
Yes … Eric is in an alliance with a bunch of people, many of whom don't watch the entire game but only see distorted edited versions of it and may not have Eric's interests at heart. Sounds like a winner to me. Eric has a bit of an uphill battle with his alliance partner.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:25 pm
Why that Pattie is a dirty little backstabber!! <93> Great, now you've given Amber another reason to cry...
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:29 pm
I want to be in Jimmer's alliance...he's hunky! 
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:21 pm
Just FYI, it was a picture that got removed, I didn't say anything wrong. That pic has been posted here numerous times before, so I don't get it
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