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Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"I don't know why everyone keeps saying it's what WE wanted. I voted for Nick to go. The AP vote may not necessarily be an accurate account of what the majority,"

That's exactly how I felt when I voted for Al Gore in 2000!
:-)

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
NO he would have helped Dick and Dani solidify their alliance with Nick and Zach. That would have helped Eric right?
Besides does Erc does not get any money if he fails at a task but if the vote he is assigned to make hurts him he does not have the option of changing his vote.

Tk4x5
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07-10-2004

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tk4x5 a private message Print Post    
I've read most of the thread and about people doing things and blaming others or ALLOWING the house to think what it will, didn't JOSH do that during BB3? I seem to distinctly remember him casting a rogue vote and then allowing the others to think it was someone else? Anyone else remember this?

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
If Dick was America choice to be nominated are people going to be getting their tar and feathers out because Eric is not trying to get Dani to put up her own father?After ED edit on thursdays show I would be suprised if America didn't vote for Dick as AC for nomination.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 2:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
BB has never said that Eric was not a contestant. So if he is a contestant, he has the right to try to win. And I have never seen any guidelines that say just how hard he should try to do what America says.

Now if BB had really wanted a twist, Eric would not even be a contestant at all. He would have been a hired employee. But that would be unfair because he has to have a stake in the game or the game becomes meaningless. As it is, he has to have some freedom to act on his own or it is completely unfair to him.

I don't think he could have changed the vote against Nick. He threw out the idea to vote out Kail and they all looked at him like he was nuts. He has already put out strange "scenerios" before trying to get America's choice done. Dick even mentioned it one night.

To me, it was so obvious that it was not going to fly that he would have looked ridiculous pushing it any futher. Just mentioning it put himself at risk. The "stray" votes have already put him in danger.

I think his role has been misunderstood. I don't think he was ever intended to do what he "thinks" America wants. He has to be free to pursue his own agenda until he gets his orders. Then he only has to try. So what more can anyone expect from him. To expect him to actually accomplish it when it is so opposite of what the house wants is unrealistic. And remember his vote does go the way America votes even if it is contrary to what is good for Eric.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I thought Eric should have tried to get Kail out because I thought she was a greater threat to him and to alliance. Nick was so smitten by Dani that he wasn't coming after anyone! Kail was/is trying to weasel her way into that alliance with Dustin, and that is a greater threat to Eric than Nick. I thought Eric should listen to us because we have a lot more information on what's going on in the house than he does!

Ivory_mist
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08-31-2005

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 4:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ivory_mist a private message Print Post    
Eric's agenda was to get Nick nominated....why? He wasn't told to! It was his own agenda!

Marksman
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05-04-2007

Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marksman a private message Print Post    
That is where he screwed up. The first two weeks Eric sat back and sat on the fence and did not commit to doing anything until he knew where he was going.

Then he went 180 degrees in the other direction. Instead of slowly easing into it and perhaps ramping up and covering himself in case his case from America is wrong, he just wen full bore into Nick and it was a big dumb mistake, and completely unnecessary.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
I read somewhere that he knew if Nick wasn't targeted that Eric would be targeted...so he HAD to go to the next level because all indications were that Nick wasn't on America's radar!

Nick with Dick and Daniele made a VERY dangerous 3 way alliance...at least to F3 and at F3 Daniele would have to do NOTHING but sit back and let Dick and Nick fight it out because no matter which one won she knew she was going to F2.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Eric screwed up in not anticipating that some rabid fans would send a banner decrying the ouster of Nick and blaming Eric & Amber.

Gee, how come he didn't anticipate that???

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
LOL Hmmmm...wonder if it could be cause there hasn't been one to speak of in years...well cepting for the one in Season 6...I think April saw it or maybe a part of it. Beyond that, BB has done rather well getting the houseguests in the house for lockdown.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
BB should invest in some kind of screen that they can just pull over the top of the back yard if a banner comes along. Like those retrac table awnings. Then get better lookouts!

Bastable
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07-09-2002

Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bastable a private message Print Post    
I don't understand why BB simply didn't douse the players with foam the minute the banner was in view. No one would have been able to see it at all.

But Kitt's right about the screen or tarp. When these things start sending the game on tangents, it's time to act.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Of course, they could just make a gigantic sound stage and put 'em all indoors. You might miss the oh so thrilling afternoon sunbathing shots, though!

Saguaro
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06-21-2005

Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saguaro a private message Print Post    
The giant soundstage worked for Gilligan's Island ... and they were on the same lot. I actually hope they don't do anything. I'm waiting to see what will happen on the next live show.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 12:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Lurk, I do see your point that, since Eric is not really playing for America, he is not a true America's Player. It's a great point also that, if Eric is not a true AP, he shouldn't be allowed to advance himself in the game.

I agree with all those views. But I kind of think Eric was forced into this situation. BB gave him the script in the beginning, he said what ever they wanted him to say about being AP. Notice he's been talking for himself lately? Even though I don't care for the c&cky tude either but they were more his words these days, imo. Would you have liked it better if he had been honest in the very beginning that, he won't follow orders whenever the "America's" thoughts do not agree with his own, or looked as if it's going to get him in deep trouble? We know BB?CBS won't allow it!

Would you like it better if Eric have done the "America's" request and still cause HGs to be kicked out or blamed on his lies? No. I'm also beginning to smell a very tightly written contract...

You might say that, ERic did not have to accept this deal. Well, how much chance would Eric have to be on the show had he decline this opportunity? We don't know. Eric probably does not either.

Ever since the beginning, I've wondered about this twist. What kind of deal do they have exactly? How far is this going? How much manipulation is BB willing to do? Is Eric allowed to win the big prize if his getting into F2 was mostly on our help via BB? How is this fair to the rest of the HGs should Eric the AP actually get to the F2 with or without outside help?

Many of us came up with these same questions and doubts. More of us speculated and "suggested" what BB could do. But we never had a clear word in regard to BB's intention with this AP. They just kept on peppering the show with "crowd pleasing"(In their mind only!) activities for Eric to earn some small amount of prize money. They've used this AP gimmick to the tilt, emphasising all the time how AP has to do everything America wants in order to make that little extra money. But did they ever say what might happen to him should he refuse or protest in action what he does not approve? No-oh!No question the part that the AP could make an extra few thousands was all they stressed and painted on the Rosy color glasses they assigned Eric while convincing the AP role on Eric. Every thing is so unclear, I'm beginning to hope that, the entire cast might be able to catch BB?CBS with pants down and get compensated for this crock!

I don't have any solution for the present situation. I'm not trying to tell you what to think either, Lurk. I just feel bad for Eric who's a very smart player on his own.

I suspect Eric has been in the DR begging to be released of this duty from time to time. Both Eric and the viewers have no choice but wait and see how BB/CBS could salvage the mess right now.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 12:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Eric's brother <SenorX27> said this(8/2/07 8:33 pm) on Sucks:


Eric isn't playing for america. America simply gets to control some of his votes as he plays to win 500K for himself. It's that simple.

And if BB promoted it differently that's their issue not Eric's. They also told us buy the live feeds and watch the endurance comp and that sure as hell isn't happening. Errrr....

http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm13.showMessageRange?topicID=11014.topic&start=1241&stop=1260

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 1:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Thank you for posting that, Chy.

Lafatme
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06-23-2005

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 1:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lafatme a private message Print Post    
BB is NOT a game show because everyone on the show gets paid for their part in the show.

the loser in a game show goes home with nothing.

the producers want ratings and can do whatever they want to obtain them. it is their show and they make each contestant sign away any rights they might ordinarily have on a game show. in return for signing these rights away they get paid.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Lafatme - actually, in many game shows the losers go home with cash or prizes (i.e., Wheel of Fortune, Price is Right, etc.)

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 7:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Eric isn't playing for america. America simply gets to control some of his votes as he plays to win 500K for himself. It's that simple.

And if BB promoted it differently that's their issue not Eric's


Sorry it is not that simple. BB sets the rules, not Eric...and if he is going to play his own game, then I think he should be removed immediately.

He is placed there to be America's voice...he should not be playing his own game and additionally have the information we give him...

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 7:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I am having a real hard time liking Eric, AP or not, considering him telling Jessica about Ambers abortions and that he would use them to call her out. Totally nasty and cruel imho.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 7:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
What information? That Kail and Jen have been given bad edits in order to protect the other twist.

Celticlass
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09-10-2005

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Celticlass a private message Print Post    
On some game shows the loser gets to go home with rice-a-roni

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
If Eric through some skill or luck manages to get to the end and win it, it probably won't be because of any advantages that he had being America's Player. It will be in spite of the disadvantages that he faced being America's Player.