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Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
Haven't watched the feeds or posted today. I needed a break. But I've been thinking about something for a few days now and I want to see the reaction it gets.

Before I begin I am asking that this not become a Dick bashing thread. I'm not telling anyone what to post, but there are lots of other threads for that. Please?

OK, here goes. IMO, if Jen and Zach were in a different house, they would be two of the least popular houseguests on this site.

But because the house avoids Zach like the plague, and because Dick treats Jen like something he stepped in, they both gain a measure of sympathy popularity and some of their faults and bad behavior are ignored or given a pass.

Thoughts?

Guinevere
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03-15-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Guinevere a private message Print Post    
I think it's more that I've reevaluated Jen. We saw a lot of her bad side right up front; since the first week or so I haven't really seen much of what I'd call "bad behavior" from her. Her self-absorbtion has come to seem more funny than hateful, and I've noticed that she is one of the least given to bashing other HG. So I don't think it's mainly out of pity that my esteem for her has gone up.

As for Zach, I still don't like him. I do feel a measure of pity for him, because of how vilified he is in the house and how awkward and unsocialized he apparently is in every day life. But I don't give him a pass for his behavior. On the contrary, I get the sense that if he was invited into the clique, he would be one of the more egregious bashers. I get a misogynist vibe from him.

So, to summarize, I don't agree with your thesis. I think all of the HGs are flawed, like all people are flawed, but like with people in everyday life, some are worse than others. So far, I think Dick has far and away displayed his bad side the most. That's why he gets "bashed", IMO.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Why do you think Jen would be an unpopular guest in a different house? Myself I enjoy her. She is a typical 23 year old. I love her self confidence in herself. She hasn't shed fountains of tears, she actually uses words instead of cussing and she doesn't pout trying to get her way. I haven't heard her trash talk about the other house guests. I am puzzled that people don't like her.

Carochar
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07-25-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carochar a private message Print Post    
Grant it, I only get SHO2 but I read tons here so feel I'm getting a fuller picture than the CBS-show-watchers-only, so it seems to me that Zach is so far "out of it" that HGs have actually been restrained (IMHO) in their distain. They let him team up in their made-up games and don't ridicule him too much to his face (don't know about on the feeds, though).

Jen, on the other hand, is just confident & savvy enough to challenge people's ego. She is on equal footing and they can't let slide her self-absorption. People put another down for a feeling of power over someone weaker and she just won't let them have that satisfaction. How frustrating!

P.S. Great question. It's really got me thinking about these two. Would you consider Amber's "Poor Poor Me" routine pitifully acted, too?

Lucas
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07-01-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucas a private message Print Post    
I agree about Zach, Jen would have won many over no matter what with her survivor attitude.

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
Carochar - Amber just...Mama always said if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
lol @ mama said...too funny, KS.

I feel sorry for Zach because he seems to lack social skills and is awkward acting. BB just seems to be the wrong game for him because of that. And well...that's about it on Zach...lol.

Jen was difficult to warm up to at first, but she has since grown on me and has actually become one of my favorites. She is strong, won't waiver, and is determined to do whatever it takes to reach her goal. IMO, she is one of the few there that I think is perfect for BB and is probably the strongest female there :-).

The truth is, none of the houseguests made a great first impression for me, but Zach is really the only one I truly feel pity for...

Jen
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07-27-2003

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jen a private message Print Post    
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Fieryfurnace
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07-05-2006

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fieryfurnace a private message Print Post    
Kswheels, it's like this:

I'm a cat person. I have three cats. I've always had cats. I would never own a dog, for a few reasons. They bark, they are high maintenence, you can't just leave a bowl of food and water out if you want to go away for the weekend, etc.

But if I saw someone hurting a dog, I'd be all over them, calling the police, yelling at them, etc.

That is my take on Zach. I don't really want one, but it bothers me to see him abused.

Surfgirl
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10-11-2003

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Surfgirl a private message Print Post    
I did not like Jen the first few weeks. The whole crying over her photo really made me not like her.

Dick being.. <55> to her has made me like her more. She doesn't break down and quiver and cry when he bashes her. OMG could you picture it if that was Amber he was treating that way.Talk about crying jags.. she would leave in a staight jacket!


Dick was my favorite. But lately he is just to self absorbed and belittling to everyone.I still like him but not nearly as much as I did in the beginning.
Is a weird season this year. The ones I started out disliking I like more. The ones I liked not so much now.
I didnt like Eric, but now I like him because he is doing a great job as AC. I liked Daniele, not so much now because she is just to whiney.
Liked Dustin till this week when he let being HOH go to his head. Jameka was under the radar till this week. Despite the view of her belief in god and how it works in the house I do respect that she kept her word.
And Zach.. well he is just that boy in first grade who ate glue and stuck crayons up his nose.

Caycaye
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09-14-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caycaye a private message Print Post    
LMAO Surfgirl!!! LOL!

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Surf, I'm glad you wrote that....I was reading the words confident and such and thinking....yeah, that's why she was a big crybaby over her picture. Also, she drew first blood in the war with Dick not wanting to be in the hot tub with the old guy that smokes and not wanting him to touch her in the butter me up comp. He's spent the rest of his time letting her know he wouldn't touch her if she paid him. Yeah, he's gone over the line some, but she's not totally innocent in this whole thing....and her smug attitude doesn't help.

I think Zack and I could be friends. I can sort of relate to him. He's in a situation with a bunch of folks her really doesn't know and isn't comfortable with and when he tries to socialize with them, he ends up looking worse than he did as a loner. Some people just have a hard time getting to know others.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
Fieryfurnace... I am a dog lover...but you are right on in your description......Too funny..
Im glad you would stand up for a Dog!!

Paisley
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07-17-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Paisley a private message Print Post    
"That is my take on Zach. I don't really want one, but it bothers me to see him abused."

ROFLOL! I love this analogy. Perfect and hilarious :-)

Beaniebear
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07-10-2005

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beaniebear a private message Print Post    
The thing that I have come to admire about Jen is that she remains calm when all others are freaking out. I would trust her to care for my grandchildren. She would calmly take care of any emergency that arises and I believe that she would be good with children. Just look how well she deals with Dick when he throws a temper tantrum. I think she will do well wherever she goes.
Poor Zack has no social skills. He is the annoying guy that I always end up befriending because I feel bad that other people steer clear of him and I don't want him to feel bad. The good thing about these guys is that they are usually pretty interesting if you get them to talk about something that they are interested in. The bad thing is that they are annoying but they don't know that they are annoying.

Guinevere
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03-15-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Guinevere a private message Print Post    

quote:

Yeah, he's gone over the line some




"Some"? He's gone so far over the line he's just about transversed the globe. IMO, joking about raping someone anally and making them bleed is miles and miles over the line. And that's just one of many, many abusive things he's said. It's not a matter of her being "totally innocent"; none of the HGs have been angels. But to me, comparing the behavior of Dick to any other HG isn't so much a case of "apples and oranges" - at least they are both fruit. It's more like...apples and balls bearings. The two items are both roundish, but that's about the only similarity.

Penpoint
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03-27-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Penpoint a private message Print Post    
There is something lost and pathetic about Zach now, because he's basically being shunned. But I don't understand why this has happened. He seems like a decent enough guy to me. I never saw him do anything anti-social or offensive, yet the HGs continually make fun of him. Early in the game, he did seem to want to talk game and make deals -- is that why no one likes him? Or does it all really boil down to Dick being so incensed by the Mrs Robinson Alliance that he's had to breakdown or demonize all those who were in or may have been in the alliance?

Sorry for bringing Dick into the discussion.


Caycaye
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09-14-2001

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caycaye a private message Print Post    
The LAST thing you said, Penpoint!

Calimom3
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07-12-2007

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 12:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calimom3 a private message Print Post    
Pen, Zach is annoying in a few different ways: He is constantly touching/picking his nose--that would do it for me... He comes across as a know-it-all on every subject! I couldn't stand him for a while, however, after seeing him being ignored and laughed at behind his back, I began to feel bad for him... he may just scoot along while the sharks are enjoying their feeding frenzy.
As for Jen: I shocked myself last night--- she was always @ the bottom of my list, along w/Kail, but after reading about Dick's tirade, then seeing his rudeness to her in front of Jessica in the backyard, well... I actually feel bad for her, and I don't know HOW she did not flip out w/the name-calling and esp the cup o' tea being poured on her!

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 12:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
ROFL @ Guinevere!

Bastable
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07-09-2002

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bastable a private message Print Post    
I think that Daniele plays the 'popularity by pity' card among her own houseguests. There's ALWAYS some drama going on with her. She's always finding something about her feelings to whine about, to cry about, and to put her hands over her eyes about. I honestly believe she does it often to manipulate others. I mean, she's famous for stalking away or clamming up in the middle of conversations she doesn't like--a very immature, emotionally manipulative thing to do that leaves the other person to scratch their heads.

She simply demands attention when she wants it, how she wants it. Everyone feels like they're tiptoeing around Daniele's emotional issues now.

Tillytown
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08-02-2005

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tillytown a private message Print Post    
I admit I felt sorry for Jen in the beginning. I felt that she had a lot of insecurities (by freaking out about the pictures) and I felt that she wasn't being treated fairly. Now, however, I really like her and her easygoing personality. She doesn't let anything bother her, she rises above all of Dick's crap and abuse, and just moves on. That shows real strength of character.

Tillytown
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08-02-2005

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tillytown a private message Print Post    
Bastable, you are completely right about Danielle. She played the "pity card" from day one when her father walked down those stairs, and she's been at it ever since.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
I feel bad for Zach but I don't pity him. He just doesn't fit - kind of like putting a square peg in a round hole.

I didn't care for Jen at all at first. Now I like her a lot but I don't pity her at all. I don't think she needs or wants pity. I wish I could stay as calm as she does when all kinds of crap is going down. At first I cringed at the thought of her being a nanny but now I can see she could be a very good one. I also think she is extremely bright. I don't think she should have said that comment about Dick during the butter challenge out loud but I certainly don't fault her for feeling it! I would have been thinking the same thing. Through the TV I get a lecherous vibe from Dick - nothing with how he looks. It's the WAY he says things and how he looks at people. I can imagine that in person that vibe could be a lot stronger. Smoking really turns me off too. I have a hard time even being in smoker's houses. I get headaches and feel nauseous.

Jen certainly has her faults but don't we all. I would hate to be on a show with cameras 24/7. I know people would hate me...lol If I was on slop I would be very grouchy! And I'm a person that really needs alone time sometimes. So to sum it up, I don't pity Jen. I actually like her.

Archiecat
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08-16-2006

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Archiecat a private message Print Post    
I think the "nanny" thing is one of cbs' charades like they have done before with fake occupations. If you have seen the modelling pictures of Jen, you know she is drop dead gorgeous when "made up" and "dressed up". She has a real potential for big money there....and the self absorbed personality to help her succeed. Graduating from college Summa Cum Laude shows her intensity and intelligence. The place she is lacking is emotions. She admits to lots of examples of that. So, bashing is worthless as a weapon on her...and she can't feel positive feelings either (so she says). All in all, I find her a lot like Nicole in BB1 without the nasty "mouth."

Avrey258
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06-23-2002

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Avrey258 a private message Print Post    
So Jen did graduate from college? I heard her on the feeds saying the best thing she did was drop out of college. Did I hear this wrong? She was talking to Jessica. Jessica was saying that if she stays one more week then she will miss the start of college.

Back on topic. I don't care for Jen. I just don't. What she did to Nick at the beginning of the game is just weird to me. Weirder still, she lied, admitted it, then proceeded to tell the same lie again. I give her props for keeping her cool though. The photo thing was odd, but that didn't have much of an impact on me. Obviously, her looks are important to her.

Zach, I admit I feel sorry for. I know he seems weird/strange but I feel bad that he is being so isolated.

And on that note, I believe that the group consisting of Jameka, Dustin, Amber and Jess seem a bit like the Nerd Herd part two. I will say that Jess might be the exception. For now she is sticking with the group. I would throw Eric in there too. He has other distractions so he is not "in" the group, in my opinion.

Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
I also agree 100% with Bastable. Danielle's pity act is tiresome. If she really wanted to work things out with Jen, she would pull her aside, privately, without Daddy and pseudo boyfriend around to come to her defense. Ugh...I'm sick of "NickDaniDick!"

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Archie and others...did you see Jen's web site that has a VERY long list of professional industry gigs with roles on numberous TV shows and modeling contests etc? I think she is the most established of any wannabee and I have questioned the Vanna job as she sure seems to be doing a lot (incluing long vacations in the sand/sun w/Chilltown). Here ya go looked up the link;

http://www.jenjohnsonmodel.com/

As for this question, I was the one in the Dick/Jen thread who kept repeating that I was raised believing 2 wrongs don't make a right. So I don't like Jen one teensy bit more now than I did before (esp after hearing her strategize w/Kail to fake being scared, to try to get Dick kicked out etc).

I do feel a bit sorry for Nick and Zach, as their biggest wrongdoing was being in an alliance with Kail and Dick. Not sure I feel it's fair to villify them for trying to play the game and being caught in an alliance. GOSH imagine that an alliance in BB! Plus I haven't seen either behave esp icky as alleged. But BB does have a long history of turning on people and trashing them so they feel ok about voting them out. I've never cared for that, and I'm not liking it this year either, esp since it seems far more personal to me.

Babsbunny3
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07-28-2005

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babsbunny3 a private message Print Post    
Jen is a lot like Janie, so I'm not surprised people like her. They are both the same "type of girl." Not my cup of tea, but I rarely agree w/ the majority here.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
I think both Jen and Zach came into this game with a similar game plan...which works well in other tv shows (i.e. Survivor), but it doesn't work in the BB. I think they both came in here thinking that they would be able to ride the coat tails of other house guests, while still playing a game, but keeping a lower profile. Like everyone keeps saying, Dr. Will. He played the game, but did it to where he would implant ideas and ride the coat tails. Worked well for Dr. Will, but I don't think anyone else can pull it off. Proof, Jen has nobody except Kail really aligned with her. Of course, then again, you don't know how certain people really feel, like a secret (top secret) alliance between Dick and Jen (hey, it could be, don't rule it out). Zach, he was the first one to create an alliance and when Nick opened the can of worms, he's game plan died.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
"All in all, I find her a lot like Nicole in BB1 without the nasty "mouth."

Do you mean Nicole of BB2 (w/Dr. Will)?

I hadn't thought to compare Jen w/Janelle, and I'm not sure I see the comparison. Janelle seemed to genuinely care about people, Jen doesn't seem to. The similariy, I think, is their ability to NOT let people get them all riled up. Good game play! If you stay calm, you have a much better chance of making the other person look ridiculous!}