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Janekat062
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:31 pm
I don't think it is fair either for Eric to be put in a lot of situations that he has been forced to be put in. I think they should have made him exempt from winning the money and have paid him a little bit more than the others. The two do NOT mix - having a player being given orders to do things that could lead to themselves and to others being screwed over to and trying to win this game.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:31 pm
"I am just stating my own opinion, kind sir." I posted my 3:22pm post before I saw your reply, Milosmom. It wasn't directed at you personally, it was directed at the notion that "BB should Remove Eric ASAP!" (the title of the thread).
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:33 pm
100
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:37 pm

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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:38 pm
There really is nothing 'fair' about BB, once that is accepted it is so much more fun and so much less aggravating to watch. Another point that has not been made recently is Eric did not sign up to be AP, he was recruited after being accepted to be on the show. He had his game plan set and then was thrown this curve ball.
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Veander
Member
07-02-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:40 pm
Personally I love the messes AP is making in the house. He has stirred up the people in ways that make the show interesting to watch. As far as him not doing what he's told, well for the most part, you have to keep in mind that he's on the inside. He can only guess at why America is voting the way they are. I only really like Dick in the game this year, but I can't fathom him winning, so anything Eric can do to mix it all up, I'm happy.
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Veander
Member
07-02-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:41 pm
Kidsatm, I agree with your perspective. It's "Big Brother" which to me means someone who just plays god with your life a bit.
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:48 pm
Veander, I am loving the mess as well, I am just concerned that we are going to get him kicked out too soon.
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Jrsbus
Member
01-16-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:49 pm
but god knows that bb is playing god how's that make him feel? would amber cry over this? and should we blame it on our alliance and out eric?
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:51 pm
Why is getting Nick out a bad move for Eric? I know some people are hung up on showmances but that was just plain DULL.Nick was going to be nothing but a lackey for Dick and Daniele ,you would think his fans would not want that.
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:57 pm
I don't think getting Nick out was a bad move for Eric, I do think having him "vote" for Kail this week and last week were bad moves for Eric as it went against the LNC and opened the suspicions that are making the feeds so much fun right now. So bad for Eric, good for us at least temporarily.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:14 pm
SanFran, I strongly disagree that this last task was un-winnable. Dick and Danielle had mentioned they seriously wanted to reconsider keeping Nick. So with his vote that meant he only had to get 1 more vote. To me if he made a serious, legitimate attempt versus going up to everyone saying "ignore what I say about keeping Nick' he very well might have pulled it off. And being that close makes it all the worse, to me, that he didn't give it a serious attempt. Forget who questioned BB being a game show, but I know this came up one season when the HG were discussing legalities that apply to it. Also I vaguely recall reading something about reality shows in general with prizes being governed in the industry by game show laws. As far as I know, this is accurate. But if anyone knows the legal classification BB falls under if this is incorrect I'd be very interested in hearing what it is. I can understand those who say 'it's just a game," and glad you are enjoying it and aren't all ticked off like I am lol. But my way of viewing it is that all games have rules, and those rules have to be followed or it's cheating. If I went to a hockey game and a player pulled a puck from his sleeve and threw it in the net, I wouldn't expect that goal to count. So if you are going to play this game, which only has a few rules, I feel you need to follow those, and Eric clearly hasn't.
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:20 pm
BB is a reality show not a game show.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:21 pm
Lurk in your eyes he has not followed the rules. In others he has. He would have looked like a fool going back on his drive to get Nick out. It would have put him at risk. The rules allow him the choice to be very careful in the tasks so that he won't get himself eliminated. I see him playing by the rules. He just didn't actually get the person out you wanted to see go. He did hand over the vote. I get it. The game now moves on. When he makes a move you like I'm sure you will be real happy and suddenly the whole AP concept will be one of the best things they've done I do know how you feel when you hope he actually does acheive what you voted for. I watched Kail remain over Mike. I thought he could have tried harder but I understood his reluctance to push it any further.
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WoodpeckeŽ
Member
07-16-2002
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:23 pm
"BB is a reality show not a game show." It's a reality show AND a game show. It's two, two, two mints in one.
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:25 pm
, drink all over my monitor, thanks!
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:28 pm
BB is a competitive reality show, there are rules. And c1 having the ability to work a task so it doesn't bite him in the butt is one thing but the problem with last week was he made up his mind BEFORE our vote that if we didn't do what he wanted he was going to ignore us. The people who paid money to text their votes were in a way defrauded. Can you understand that point of view? I'd have less of a problem if after the vote he felt it was a danger to push AC but to decide before hand to me was wrong. (i don't think he should be removed from the house)
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:29 pm
Team Lurk!
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:35 pm
Lurk, moving my response over here. I will have to agree to disagree with you on this. I don't think there is any way he could have gotten enough votes for Kail and I think he would have done serious damage to himself if he had attempted it any more than he did. I also think he hoped we would understand what he was trying to tell us on the show and that we-America would have voted Nick out. ETA - and as I have stated before even though I would prefer to have had Nick stay, it was a better game move for Eric to have Nick out this week than Kail, IMO of course.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 6:20 pm
I think Eric did what he could to satisfy us and to keep himself in the game. He's America's Player. If he gets himself evicted, he loses the game and we lose our input. I accept the fact that last week's task is over. Eric wasn't successful. That can't be changed. Maybe he made a mistake by jumping on the evict-Nick bandwagon before he was told that America wanted him to get Kail evicted. Sometimes people do things and then later change their minds and wish they had done things differently. C'est la vie. Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change We can't change what Eric did...whether he jumped the gun or not. He did what he did.....it's just history now. The courage to change the things I can We can change our outlook and choose not to get all ticked off over Eric not accomplishing this task the way many wanted him to....and just move forward from here. (In fact, "forward" is the only direction available to us!) And the wisdom to know the difference We can be wise enough to understand that we only have the power to change ourselves....not other people and not things that have happened in the past. I guess I don't understand the allure of complaining about things that we are powerless to change when we can just accept them and move on, unencumbered with resentment.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 6:20 pm
I don't understand how people can think he could not have gotten the votes. Look who voted. Jameka - Would have done what everyone else said. Dani - Would have voted to save Nick in a heartbeat if everyone was not for it. Dick - Would have reluctantly done it, even though he has campaigned to get Kail of for the entire show. Jessica - Hates Kail. Would have easily voted her off if given the chance. Dustin - Had no vote. Did want Nick off, but would not have mattered and would have supported getting Kail out if that was the consensus. Amber - Remember she loved him so much. She would have been easily swayed to get Kail out. She only did it because Eric convinced her it was in her best interests. The fact is nobody wanted Nick out anywhere close to what Eric did and he campaigned like a fiend to get him sent home. This idea that Eric could not have gotten Kail to go home is just not supported when you look at all the people involved. Eric has made good cases for various people over time. If he would have firmly laid out why Kail needed to go and done it with as much gusto and zeal as he did to get Nick out, it would have been a no brainer that Kail would have left.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 6:26 pm
lol well see we do agree on one point...is WAS a better game move for Eric to have Nick out over Kail. That is at the heart of why he didn't make a serious attempt at getting that 1 more vote IMHO Ya gotta admit, 1 vote shouldn't have been out of the question to get..he just wanted Nick out so he blew of being America's Player for his own personal game wishes!!!!!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 6:37 pm
SanFran...I'm delighted you are at peace with Eric not doing his job. I personally don't believe we are totally without a voice. And I certainly don't believe I have to accept things that I see and believe to be totally wrong, misleading the fans, and quite possibly against the law. Regardless, if nothing more comes out of this thread then some of us who do have a problem accepting how Eric refused to do his AP task, and we commissurate together, then that alone is helpful. And those who want to cheer him on can happily do that in the fan thread. I can only speak for me in that I don't believe it's right for a show to advertise a twist for the fans, and not make the person doing it adhere to what he committed to. That will remain my opinion, just as some may remain convinced of a different POV. I wish I could recall where I heard it was classified under the laws of a game show because of the cash prizes. Would love to know exactly what laws govern it and what they are. And Marksman, clearly ITA with you!!! The only thing I would add is Dick would have agreed more easily to the vote because he was already questioning the choice and the LNC was having the meeting because of it! So Eric knew he only needed 1 more vote. That's almost in the bag with a tiny effort, but instead he kept telling folks he wanted Nick out.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 6:46 pm
Marksman... you are soo right...with very little effort, Eric could have pursuaded 4 others if not all to vote out Kail...VERY LITTLE EFFORT!!! I am disappointed. (an I am disappointed that Eric thumbed his nose at us, not necessarily that Nick is the one that went...)
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 6:50 pm
"SanFran...I'm delighted you are at peace with Eric not doing his job." I am not agreeing that Eric did not do his job....that's your assumption, not mine. I would be delighted if you could be at peace, too. 
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