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Landslide305
Member
08-15-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:40 pm
I just feel bad that this "twist" is causing people to lose the game because of the lies and cover-ups that Eric has to tell to keep his cover as AP. I can only imagine if I was just booted from the house that I would be pissed that I wasted weeks of my life and saw my chance at winning $500,000 go up in smoke because of the Eric twist.
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Babsbunny3
Member
07-28-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:44 pm
Yah, if Eric doesn't accomplish what we say, lets sue Big Brother! They are breaking the law and we should really be up in arms over this.
First off, if he doesn't do what we ask, its him thats out the extra cash. I think it is quite fun to see Eric struggle to win the game and yet please "America" as well. He is a good sport to take this on. And...since I like him, don't worry; he'll be gone very soon.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:45 pm
I think it depends on how you view what America's Player is supposed to be. I don't think they were very clear about this. If you think Eric should simply do exactly what the public tells him to do then he should be called America's Puppet. However, if you view Eric as being in an alliance with the American public and working together with the American public as a team, then Eric should have input into the decisions based on his experience in the house. I prefer the second approach as I think that some of the American public makes some less than optimal decisions about the game based on lack of knowledge (not watching or following the feeds and the entire game). Some people even hate the twist and want to sabotage America's Player and deliberately make him do dumb things. So I think Eric should be in an alliance with the American public and not just be America's Puppet.
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:48 pm
Hmm, perhaps Nick & other realize it is a game and that Eric is being asked to do things that he knows are going to get him kicked out of the house. Because despite the fact that he has a secondary role as America's Player, he is first and foremost in the house to win. However as silly as I think America voting Kail out this week was I do think it has made for some interesting feeds. And seriously who is losing the game because of Eric? America got Nick put on the block via Amber by voting for Kail instead of Mike a week ago, America voted for Kail to go home and she is still in the game.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:50 pm
" and blaming folks he wants to evict with the actions HE has done" That is known as "playing the game". Just like every other HG, Eric should not admit to casting votes against the wishes of the LNC....it would get him targeted and evicted. "It's not just not getting paid, he is totally not attempting them or doing the opposite." He isn't "totally not attempting it" at all. There was no way in hell he could have gotten Kail evicted and had he worked harder and been a lot more obvious, he would've gotten targeted himself. Of course, now that some folks who also feel Eric should be removed have now flown a banner to target him, Eric's game play has been severely compromised. His actions will now be viewed as being even more suspicious and he will likely have even more trouble trying to orchestrate someone's eviction. IF Eric didn't work extremely hard to evict Kail for his allaince of 10,000,000, it was only to avoid being targeted and to stay in the game. Bottom line, it may not matter. If Dani backdoors Eric this week, then he won't make it to the sequester house and WE will not get a vote in the final 2. That should make you very happy. If Eric goes this week, so goes our input.
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Mrsmel
Member
07-04-2007
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:51 pm
Ok here are my thoughts on America's Player. He was all exicted in the beginning to do this. He got in with an alliance and decided to try to use US to do what he wanted instead of doing what WE voted for. He screwed US over just like he did poor Nick and he will do the same to D/D as soon as possible. He isn't going to do what WE voted for unless it suits his wishes (obviously) thus negating the whole America's Player. ITS A BIG OLD BUST!!! No more voting for me. I made my last vote when I voted for Kail (again) and he ignored the request of America. HE did not try to get her evicted. He was forced to vote that way but HE DID NOT TRY TO GET HER EVICTED. I will be ignoring the America's Player BUSTED TWIST from now on.
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:52 pm
I think I've said this more than once today but I'm with you Sanfran!
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:54 pm
Landslide that is actually the premis of this game. I don't think it's wrong, as a matter of fact I like it. My thing is that Eric made a conscious choice that was not based on what we wanted, so whatever happens to him at this point is on him. If we were working with past casts this would be hysterical because rarely was anyone in that house that had a clue. This year there are many people who have not only seen past years but studied them. They are on guard for all kinds of stuff past hgs would never have seen. He didn't play for us when he agreed (adamently) that Nick should go. In the past three weeks "Nick" has never even been on the radar. He was just tired of us interfering in "his" game and wanted us to "further" him in his game. He wanted us to work for him, rather than for him to work for us. That was a mistake. IMO those who believe the premis that he was supposed to be working for us, got pissed and are the ones who flew the banner. All's fair in love and BB..whatever it takes to influence one over the other is fair game.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:04 pm
If a single individual HG could actually evict anyone they were told to (whether told to by us or by another in-house alliance) every single week, the show would be called "Big Miracle" not "Big Brother. No one in that house has the power to evict anyone in the house whether America tells him who to target or the LNC does. Eric is just a HG, not a magician.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:05 pm
He screwed US over just like he did poor Nick and he will do the same to D/D as soon as possible. Mrs. Mel, did you see the way Nick was screaming profanity at Jen just for trying to talk to Princess Dani? "Poor Nick"? I think not. He deserved to go. As for doing the same to D/D, the sooner the better in my book! 
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:08 pm
I agree SF. What I am saying is that what he does is still "his choice". This time "his choice" may have just backfired on him. I love the fact that we have a say, but not everyone agrees. People seem to think that because they want someone gone that everyone does..look at these boards, OMG that is just not true. But I don't feel sorry for Eric because he made his own choice to play his own game this week and he will have to suffer his own consequences.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:10 pm
Maybe next year they should simply give the American public one vote. But I bet if they do that most people here will end up very unhappy. How many here would now want to see Jessica gone from the game in the second week and yet that was what "America" wanted? Do you remember how popular Maggie and her friends were with the general public for so much of Season 6 before BB started showing more of what we were seeing on the Live Feeds? Do you remember how unpopular Janelle was before the American public got to know her? Eric is America's Player and he is in an alliance with us. It's a team and he should have input as a key team member.
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Mrsmel
Member
07-04-2007
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:13 pm
Tounge in cheek poor Nick...lol... And as for ED if he even raised his voice at me for no reason much less screamed all those profanities at me he would be E D-less (if you know what I mean)... Its just a little frustrating because I KNOW Eric could have worked the crowd and he didn't do it. I wanted him to win the challenge and at least try and he didn't. So thats why I think its a bust.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:14 pm
"He screwed US over just like he did poor Nick and he will do the same to D/D as soon as possible." First, he didn't screw me over. Eric voted for Kail because more people voted for Kail to be evicted than Nick. Secondly, Eric is a double agent in the LNV. He is supposed to get D/D (and everyone else) out! That's the very point of the game. The 7 members of the LNC can't all win. They ALL have to betray each other.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:15 pm
I agree Jimmer, and just like any other player in the house if he blows it he has to try and fix it or he's gone. He went against his AP allience to appease his LNC allience, not a good position for him, but isn't that what Dani is up against this week? She has to decide if she protects her D/D allience or her LNC allience. I don't see much difference..you either get away with it or you don't that's the game.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:21 pm
Very well said SFJF!!!
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:24 pm
Sanfranjoshfan...so true! You will always have people that think that just cause things don't go their way, then the game is fixed and I am not just talking BB here. I voted for Nick to leave and Nick left...
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:31 pm
I voted for Nick to leave not because I wanted him to leave but because having watched the feeds I knew that to have the vote go to Kail had the potential of putting my player in jeopardy. As Jimmer so eloquently states America's Player should be treated as a team. I would have much rather had Nick stay and Kail go, watching Kail on the feeds is like watching paint dry.
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:43 pm
Kidsatm...that's why I voted for Nick to leave also. No point in have America's Player get booted from the game because we keep asking him to go against the house.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:46 pm
I agree that he's ruining the game for other hgs and puts the blame on dandy targets like Jen. He's awful, this is an awful twist. For once I was cheering for Dick (did you see that clip?, Boy, Eric didn't waste time in telling him "I will have you removed from the house").
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:56 pm
Exactly Lainee, why ask him to do something just because that is what you want, it should be a collaborative effort that gets him as far in the game as possible.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:01 pm
I'm not sure I understand the concept of America's Player "ruining the game" for other HGs? Maybe the other HGs are ruining Eric and our game? Or maybe it is all just a game?
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:09 pm
Kidsatm...I thought OUR alliance with Eric was meant to further his game, not endanger it? WE, America, are not playing for 500,000 dollars...Eric is! With a few tips thrown in also for every 5 tasks he completes!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:13 pm
Wow Sea, didn't know that the DR pushed Jess to trust Eric...that is even more vile and game manipulation then I would have thought they do, and I think they do a lot. That is sooo wrong on sooo many levels. What I can't is why there would be any debate about Eric. I can understand debate about IF being Americ's Player is fair, etc. But the bottom line is HE WILLINGLY AGREED TO PLAY FOR US! He said this on tv, they promoted it on the website, commercials and show, and their production person clarified on Housecalls that Eric HAD to fully attempt to accomplish everything we vote for him to do. After his actions yesterday it is crystal clear he did not do that. Those are just facts. So he is manipulating the AP role to farther a personal game, rather than play the AP position he agreed to. Again FACT. They finally give us the input we fans did want (or many did) and now he is only doing what he feels furthers his game, not all of it. Some may like it cause it is helping to remove folks they don't like, but I say regardless of what he is doing, he is not doing what he agreed to, and that should be addressed! Excellent point MrsMel, Spunky and others!!! I can't believe the point of this twist was to give Eric lies to sabatouge others players games, and not do what we vote unless it helps him. If he didn't want to do what we voted, he shouldn't have taken the job!!! ETA Babs...remember this is a game show and there ARE FCC laws they are required to follow. So while you might think it's extreme, my guess is if they aren't totally violating laws, they are mighty close to it. They are very strict about game shows not being fixed. So it is a very real legal concern!
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:14 pm
Lainee, I get it, I get it I really wish the rest of the voting public would.
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