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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:18 pm
Kidsatam ...I just wish we could have ONE thread to support America's Player where we could go and not worry about arguing about whether it is fair or not for him to try to win 500,000 dollars. 
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:23 pm
Lainee, if that was how BB created the role of America's Player, then I would totally agree with you. But they choose to make the rules that he HAD to try to accomplish EVERY task we voted for. He clearly did not do that by telling everyone to ignore what he was saying about keeping Nick. Eric agreed to those rules, so he should honor them, or he should have convinced BB to alter them. But far as I see he has no right to accept being AP and not do it! Every week they say and he says that 'he is playing for US." So they made it clear it isn't our job to help him, or his choice to choose. But he stopped playing for us and is playing for him. I agree it's a tough position, but no one forced him to take it. But he did, so he should honor it. I conversely, wish all of the voting public would get this point. ETA; Lainee I started this thread as it is a very specific part of the AP role, and I didn't want to take the other thread off topic. I truly believe he should be removed from the game for not following the AP rules. At the very least I think it's worthy of us discussing it from various viewpoints.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:26 pm
Here you go. Eric's (America's Player) Fan Thread
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:27 pm
Lurk, I say we just agree to disagree...cause I am behind Eric a hundred percent. Of course, I have liked EVERY season of BB since I started watching during BB3 in 2002. There have been aspects that I haven't liked such as Maggie and her crew...Dick and his mouth this year, but I am not going around the boards trying to change everyone's mind about who they like and don't like. I don't complain that Dick is still there...I don't complain that BB is fixed. I enjoy it for what it is...A GAME!
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:27 pm
Thank YOU, Jimmer!
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Kiersten_love
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:28 pm
Lurknomore, what you said clarified everything I was going to say and more in this post, so thank you .
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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:29 pm
It is my understanding that BB is not considered to be a game show. Also wasn't it Amber that said the DR was trying to encourage her to keep Nick in the game? I know many have thought for years that the DR tries to sway the game, so what is so wrong if they try to do anything involving Eric? I also don't think Eric is the first one that has let another player take the blame for something they did. Didn't Will or Boogie do that last year when they took a prize in one of the POV comps and didn't they let everyone think it was Marcellus that took it? Eric is hardly the only player that may have tried to "sabotage" somebody elses game.
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Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:46 pm
I think the DR asks LOTS of leading questions. But it's only the ones that resonate with the HGs that end up being discussed. That makes it seem like they're being steered, when in fact, the HGs probably latch onto the leading questions that they deeply most want to latch onto.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:56 pm
I have always voted based on what would keep Eric in the game the longest and what would get Dick or Dani out the soonest. Eric has always done what I hoped he would, so he is fulfilling his duties to me.This reminds me of the 2000 presidential election.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:57 pm
"But they choose to make the rules that he HAD to try to accomplish EVERY task we voted for." Eric did try to get Kail evicted.....but he knew and WE knew that it was an impossible task. There was no way they were going to change their minds. Zach and Eric were the only ones that voted to evict Kail. Even Daniele voted Nick out! His efforts were in direct proportion to the likelihood that he could accomplish that task....and he DID vote for Kail. Are you suggesting Eric should have gone out of his way to get himself targeted by confronting the entire LNC alliance and pushing against their decision when he knew they were not going to budge? I wouldn't want a person my alliance to do something that stupid. If you don't like his actions, just quit his alliance. I don't understand why you'd rather screw up a lot of other people's enjoyment if this twist by wanting Eric removed by BB rather than just removing yourself from being involved in the AP alliance.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:57 pm
We didn't vote Eric in as Americas player. We got stuck with him. I am not interested in trying to further his game, and don't see it as America's role either. If we had voted for AP, things might be different.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:00 pm
Milosmom, are you voting in the AP polls?
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:01 pm
If I am or if I am not, that is my business, thanks.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:10 pm
If Eric did as Amercia wanted last week he would be gone this week and then were would we be? As it is he is probably going soon anyway. I never took it that Eric HAD to do as we request but if he did then he could earn some extra dough.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:11 pm
I have a much bigger issue with the DR stuff.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:12 pm
Sanfran, I agree with you. I love AP and think Eric is doing as well as he can. hope he lasts thru this week
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:12 pm
LOL Well, Milosmom , if you are voting in those polls you are choosing to be "stuck" with Eric as the AP....even if you didn't select him. You can't have it both ways.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:14 pm
Of course he doesn't have to do what we want, but he is using the information he is given to further himself in the game. He is getting some pretty good clues about what we see based on our votes. And goes against Americas wishes by doing so. It was unfair of BB to force him to be AP since he was a real fan of the game. I agree that it has got to be hard for him to do this, particularly when it goes against what he wants. But it is what it is.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:14 pm
Some of you are clearly seeing things differently if you don't think Eric was primarily responsible for the eviction of Nick. Who else in the 7 wanted Nick gone more than Eric? Nobody. In fact most of them wanted Kail gone more. He persuaded them all to vote Nick out. Claiming he couldn't have gotten Kail out without exposing himself does not jibe with the facts.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:16 pm
I actually think the problem with all this AP voting is that many who vote do not see the un-edited version of this game being played out. Right there I feel defeats the whole purpose of trying to decide who should stay and go when you see only partial select conversations and highly toned down drama. Suddeny the AP vote becomes much less about actual game and more based on popularity that is completely controled by an edit on someones character. I don't like that at all. Some feel when Eric does not give 100 percent at a task suddenly he isn't playing by the rules. I disagree. I feel he is. The rules state he must be careful when doing something or else he could be eliminated. Eric may feel that working to save someone may put him at risk. I'm ok with that. I can easily see how this would bother a person when they specifically wanted to see him do exactly as they wanted regardless of how it would work against his own game. I still haven't found anywhere that states Eric can't play the game for his own benefit. He has to know if America isn't happy with some of his choices he will also run the risk of America screwing with him. It's a gamble he makes and tries to work around. I think it all balances itself out and Eric has the hardest road to get to the finals. If he even dares to get HOH he must know he runs the risk of blowing everything. If America gets to pick one of his Nominations America can easily ruin his game. Just like handing over his vote he has no choice but to put up the person America wants. The following week when he can't get HOH the entire house can get even with him for making what they thought was a horrid mistake in the game. I wouldn't exactly call this an advantage for one player. I know, I know, supposedly thats all suppose to not matter because he signed up for this twist. I don't think we will clearly know for sure exactly what they told him would happen with this twist. Was he baited into it with the promise he would have a little room to work around it? Was he told it is so literal that he should just hang out with the group and not say a word about the game and play switzerland until America tells him what to do next? All I keep reading about the tasks is that he has to be careful or he could be eliminated. I see that as his doorway to work around. Did BB help him out by telling Jess to spill the beans? I'm not sure. No one is. I was watching when she talked about going into the DR and after they talked to her she realized what Danielle and Dad told her was not true about Eric. None of us know what was actually said in that DR. I never heard her say they told her to walk right out there and tell him. They do not have absolute control over someones actions. The best example would be season 6 when the DR tried everything to get Jen to not put Kaysar up for eviction. She even said she wasn't going to go back in the DR to listen to it again. So she didn't give them what she felt they were leaning towards. I think they probably talked to her about the situation but let her decide in the end what she thought about all of that. What she did with all of that was her business. We already know the DR does screw with them and does try to see if they can make them lean a certain way. This goes all the way back to the beginning of this whole contest. This isn't something new. So I can't say they've over stepped their role in this. They've been doing it all along. I agree with much of what SF said above. If you don't like the AP situation don't play along. If you do vote for the person you want him to evict at the end of the week you got exactly what you voted for. He hands his vote over. Just don't expect him to agree with that vote. He may feel he needs to be careful about supporting that vote. The man has a right to lie. It's in the rules.
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:19 pm
Yes Skydiver, I doubt seriously, though I have no firsthand knowledge of all the details of Eric & BBs agreement, that Eric was to blindly do whatever we voted for him to do. The only thing that can be said that he did not attempt to do wholeheartedly is to get the vote switched to Kail this week. I suspect he was fully aware of the futility of that. He cannot do what we vote him to do if he isn't there and as such he must have some flexibility in the choices. The other thing that supports that is that BB would pull him if it were a one way agreement. Despite the yearly claims that BB is breaking its own rules they are too smart, have to much invested in this and too many lawyers watching and monitoring everything to do that.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:21 pm
I think there is an Americas Player fan club thread now. I don't dislike Eric or the AP idea. I think the banner plane caused a lot of problems. Yes, I voted for in some AP tasks, not all. He is my player as much as anyone elses. I am just disappointed in his actions and am questioning them regarding Nick. He knows he has to vote our way, so why so fiercely campaign to get Nick out? We voted Kail once, we probably would again. I don't want him out this week because I would love a vote in the finale.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:22 pm
It is what it is. Don't like it? Don't join Eric's AP alliance by voting in the polls. Don't like the voting results? Ask Jameka to take it up with god.
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Penpoint
Member
03-27-2001
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:23 pm
Eric is smart and I'm sure he understands the America's Player rules. And I'm sure he and the producers are in agreement that his first priority--as it is for all the House Guests--is to win BB8, and while working to win, he has been given the opportunity to earn some extra dollars by following the direction of the voting viewers insofar as he can carry out those directions and remain in the house. Hypothetically, with Daniele as HOH and in alliance with Dick, America could vote to have Eric try to have Dick nominated. If Eric followed that direction, he would be wasting his time and working against his own chances of staying in the house. So even though that's the way America voted in this possible scenario, he'd be a fool to follow it. So, Lurk and others, be happy that Eric is doing what he can and that he is clever enough to work most of his assigned tasks into his own strategies to stay in the house and win. Also, realize that there is nothing fair about Big Brother, so just accept that "it is what it is."
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:26 pm
I am just stating my own opinion, kind sir.
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