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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 7:29 pm
Yeah but he had 5 days to do it, and it seemed like he gave up after about an hour.
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Bbpeach
Member
07-07-2005
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 9:23 pm
I am a fan of having America's Player. Up until this week, I think Eric has done an excellent job of keeping his options open and not committing to voting one way or the other, just laying out all the options. I think the outcry from this week lies in whether you are a Dick/Dani fan or not. Those that are, wanted Kail to be evicted. Those that aren't wanted to weaken their game by getting Nick evicted. Majority of the voters voted for Kail to be evicted. For Eric to have the best option to succeed, I think he needs to take a cumulative tally of how the tasks have been going so far. He could've easily figured, since almost all votes/noms tasks have been for Kail or Jen, that most likely it would have been again. That to me should make him at least question whether what he thinks is good for his strategy is really that. Most likely we are seeing things that he isn't privy to that perhaps we would know what is best. This week it seemed he thought he knew best. I kinda feel sorry for him right now. He probably doesn't know what to think. He's gotten an idea from all the Jen/Kail nom votes, that they probably aren't well liked. Then the banner saying LNC = Nerd Herd, which they all seem to know was the least favorite alliance in history. He's likely thinking "Do they hate us all?? Could Zach be the favorite??" 
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 3:45 am
I think Eric has done what he wanted to do and nothing else. The America's player thing is a big flop. I saw his real side yesterday when screamed and cussed at Dick. I hope he is voted out soon.
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Muse
Member
08-09-2001
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 5:16 am
This is definitely a matter of perspective, because I actually saw it the other way around -- Dick screaming and cussing at Eric. While Dick did have some good points, he flew off the handle and handled the situation poorly. Eric did fight back, but Dick was the one who made it escalate to that level. I think AP is too much of a burden for any HG. It throws them into an impossible situation -- trying to balance what America wants with what is best for them strategically. I kind of liked the idea of AP when it was first revealed, but I didn't realize that the public would be voting for nominees and eviction votes *every* week. I thought it would be more silly and/or non-vote related stuff. And I also thought the AP would have the right to completely refuse a task as well. It's too bad, because I think Eric would have been a great "regular" HG. But with AP, his chances of winning are slim to none, and he gets a lot of flack from the fans. Not to mention the fact that many are suggesting that he hasn't even gotten 10K yet...
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Carmil
Member
07-17-2005
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 6:10 am
I think the only way AP would have worked well is if the person was truly just a mole in the house, a cbs employee without a chance of winning but getting nicely compensated for his efforts just for being there. A mole AP would get all the outside info and work for what America wants without the fear of hurting himself in the game, since he really wouldn't be a candidate in the end. This definitely put Eric at a great disadvantage gamewise. I think Eric failed terribly in his lack of efforts (especially this past week), but none of this would've happened if he wasn't trying to protect his own interests in the game. I do hope that when Eric is voted out of the house, cbs awards him with more than the already promised $10,000 for 5 completed tasks. He never should have been put in this position as just another houseguest. A mole would've put a completely different spin on the entire AP idea and its outcome.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 8:40 am
Actually, that's a great point, Carmil. Because Eric, really, is working for Eric. He has his eye on the $500K prize. Not the paltry $50K payment he gets for completing tasks. Eric won't do anything that will out him a the twist and ruin his chance at winning the $500K. Because he is trying to protect himself, I think he's failing miserably at doing what America wants. And telling America who he wants evicted (Nick) was due to his own agenda, not ours. FWIW, I voted for Nick because I wanted Daniele to play the game. And I didn't think her head was totally there with Nick there. Dani is a threat to the others (she's won several POV comps and now HOH). And although I think Nick was vote for Dani and, by default, Dick, I think Daniele can think serious strategy.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 8:46 am
I just feel that if he is working for us, fine, but if he decides one week he wants to work on his own, fine too. But if he is working on his own what if I don't like his decisions? What if he has chosen to target my favorite? Why should I then vote to let him do that? I'm sure that's how someone felt when they decided to fly the banner. They decided that if Eric isn't going to work for me then I will work for myself. Perhaps it bit him in the ass or he may pull it off, but the choice to play it that way was clearly his own.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:37 am
Problem is Eric needs to realize he has no legitimate shot at the big prize, and should have embraced the AP role my properly. He did for about two seconds then gave up, because he thinks too much of his own intelligence. If he was really smart he could have used the America's Player information and propelled himself to winning more then 500k. Instead he will probably end up walking out with little or nothing.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:46 am
What I think happened was that Eric "Lost the plot" when his and our choices just happened to coincide at first. He may have thought we were listening to him those first couple weeks when it was just coincidence.
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Nole71
Member
08-13-2004
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:51 am
Is there any chance that BB will try to get Eric off the hook by letting the houseguests know what has been going on? I can see them trying to save him by announcing that Eric has been America's player and even though they might not agree with all of his votes, it wasn't really his fault-it was America at fault! At that point they could pull someone else (Dick would be hysterical!)into the diary room and offer them a "deal" to be Eric's replacement. Can you imagine Dick being told how to vote? Too funny!!
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Cousin_jake
Member
07-04-2002
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:53 am
I agree Naja. He should have been laying low and waiting for the info from the voters before campaigning for anyone. He should be taking our input more seriously as we see way more than he does. If we wanted Nick to stay and Kail to go, (two weeks in a row) he should get a clue. If, in fact, he does go up on the block he may have a huge melt down. He's already freaking out and it hasn't happened yet. Right now, he probably has the 4 votes to stay, but we've all seen it happen many times before that when someone gets all pissy about their nomination, people decide to vote them out.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 10:25 am
I read this on another board. Sure wish CBS had gone this way. If BB wants a true AP pay them a set salary w/no chance to win 500K so they do what we want. If they make the F3 the others would become the F2.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 10:32 am
If you think fans are ticked off now imagine if there were a mole in the house.I get the impression that the banner senders thought that Eric was wrecking their favorites showmance and they wanted Eric gone.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 10:33 am
I do hope that when Eric is voted out of the house, cbs awards him with more than the already promised $10,000 for 5 completed tasks. Interesting thought...But perhaps he wouldn't have even made it into the house if they did not feel that he was perfect AP material... So while other HGs were chosen for their spot in the house, Eric was chosen for his...Why gove him extra? Had it not been for AP he may never have made the cast
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 10:41 am
I just can't understand that line of thinking that Eric is only in the house to be the AP player. It sounds like he made it and then they told him he would be the AP. It's not fair to him to say he would not be a houseguest this year without the AP twist. I feel he'd be there anyway. He's doing the best he can. I don't like some of his comments to/about others, but he's doing what they asked and still stays somewhat upbeat.
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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 11:12 am
He should have been laying low and waiting for the info from the voters before campaigning for anyone. He should be taking our input more seriously as we see way more than he does. But it works out to be kind of a catch 22 too. Nick commented on Housecalls that he thought originally that Eric seemed kind of shady because he was so non-committal and wouldn't really give an opinion. Once Nick learned about AP it made sense to him. Perhaps Eric started feeling that he had to align more with some and to give more opinions on who he felt needed to go for his game? Maybe he was getting some strange vibes from the others since he seemed to either not state an opinion or change it? I think he truly believed getting rid of Nick was best for his game and that he thought he could convince the viewers that this was the best thing to do. I know not everyone agrees but I think he should have some input in how he plays the game too. Also since many think it is the TV only viewers that are controlling the vote outcome, then he may well think that he knows more than the voters.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 11:51 am
Actually, he wouldn't be in there without the AP twist. If he had declined the offer, he wouldn't be in there because he'd know about the twist. And he knew this. I also think he didn't know he was gonna be this twist at first. Depending on how this last "who do you think Eric should get nominated" vote went (and we still don't know, do we?), Eric has succeeded at only 50% of the tasks. Not really good odds. In fact, 50% is failing in most anything else in life.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:08 pm
" It's not fair to him to say he would not be a houseguest this year without the AP twist." That's pretty typical of BB's MO. When they interviewed the twins Adria and the other one and if they had they said "no" to the twins thing, neither of them would have been in the BB house because they would have known about the "secret" twins twist.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:14 pm
50% is failing in most anything else in life. It all depends on what you're trying to do. BB is a game and for a game that is pretty darn good. Eric would be the best baseball player, basketball player or quarterback in history with those kinds of results.
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Chicogirl
Member
07-23-2007
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:17 pm
I think the A.P. has been ok. The voters are becoming predictable. It's been the same every week. It would have been a real twist to have 2 or 3 A.P.'s in the house, and they not know about each other. The one that got the most completed tasks would have won the money.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:20 pm
Costacat, not being there because he declined the task and not being there without the task are two different things. If Eric went through all the processes and was selected as a regular HG and THEN was told to be AP or not get in, he was basically blackmailed into doing the job...Do it or get out. If they thought he would be a sucky HG, but then needed an AP and decided to offer it to him, THEN he owes his being there to the twist. As for 50%, hitters in baseball would be considered awesome if they got a hit 50% of their at bats. In basketball, Kobe Bryant, the leading scorer, had a 46% FG shooting percentage. Failure is relative to the task. Eric is being asked to control the house with a 2-3 day delay built in to the system. What's more, voters do not appear to be taking in to account the dynamics of the house when voting. The fact that he has been successful at all says he is a really good game player!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:37 pm
My guess is that the questionnaires and the interviews contained leading questions that allowed BB to figure out which applicants would be willing to do something like this. I think there psychological tests that determine if someone is more likely to become a serial killer or a teacher or a spy or a soldier or a stripper. If they can do that, they could figure out which ones are more likely to accept the role of AP before they actually bring it up.
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Onlyhuman
Member
08-04-2001
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:03 pm
SFJF, do you think that it's who would be willing or who would be capable? It seems to me that most of the people who go to the trouble of applying and the entire audition process would be willing to do something like this rather than forfeit their chance to go in the house. On the other hand, would someone like Amber or even Jessica (and I like her!) be capable of handling the pressure this job entails? Would someone like Zack be able to roll with the whims of the public? Oh, and most of those tests need to be administered and interpreted by a trained, experienced psychologist to be accurate. I figure BB, with its model agency casting policy, doesn't invest too much money in that type of thing!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:16 pm
"SFJF, do you think that it's who would be willing or who would be capable? " I would think they were looking for someone that is both. Like you said, Amber could have been willing, but she wouldn't have been capable. They might even have a questionaire that asks: "Which of these things would you be willing to do if you were in the BB house?" They could list all kind of outlandish and unrealistic things that range from "murder someone" to "start a showmance in order to use someone" to "be a mole in the BB house" sprinkled in with a hundred other crazy option. I just think there are a lot of ways to find out what an applicant is both capable of AND willing to do before they are selected as a possible AP and then given the option. If they say "no" and aren't selected, they could only blame themselves for answering the questionaire in way that indicated they were willing to do things that aren't actually willing to do. -------------- Please note: That's all just my own personal theory. I have no evidence of any actual question that is asked of any potential HG.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:22 pm
OK, here's what I don't get. Why did Eric stir the pot last night with Du/A/J? I didn't see most of the feeds yesterday, but I'm told that none of what he told them about Dick/Dani last night was true. I would understand stirring the pot and breaking from them for game and strategy's sake. But, why now? And why period? He's supposed to be our player. For all he knows, America loves Dick and Daniele. I'm not even considering the banner, all of them should just chalk it up to it being from a Nick fan. It really makes me wonder what the AP vote was. If it was for Jen or Kail again, or even Zack then he probably would have kept his mouth shut, unless he's given up on us. Well, at least he's keeping it mildly interesting...
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