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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:04 am
ty, fly :-)
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Amac
Member
09-07-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:04 am
Dumping iced tea on somebody's head is acceptable. Holding a knife to somebody's throat is not acceptable.
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Gurliegirl
Member
06-20-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:11 am
Anyone? Can someone tell me when this happened so I can go find the live feed info on it?
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:14 am
I honestly think everyone who signs on to BB should be aware that verbal abuse and taunting is acceptable behavior. They allowed Howie to hurricane. They've always allowed name calling and cussing. They've allowed intimidation. I'm sure Jen was well aware she could be verbally attached...as everybody should know. Dick often crosses a moral line for many folkes in society. But in BB---that line doesn't exist, until BB says it exists. I also think the HG, before signing on, have to wave their rights to being slander by others in the house.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:20 am
Gurlie - about 9.05pm on either Monday night or Tuesday night, I've forgotten which. Try Monday.
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:21 am
Gurliegirl - Monday night Dani and Jen were talking (arguing), and Dick walked behind Jen and dumped tea on her head. Kind of a hit and run, since he never stopped walking. Was right after BBAD started, so...9 PM BB time
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Deedee
Member
10-13-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:26 am
Gurlie, try this. The language is strong. ( It was an argument after all) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa8gFCSIzZM
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Nala63
Member
09-20-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:29 am
klaw u are so "spot on" this is way over the line of taunting. ed intimidates pure and simple. he isnt mean..he is cruel.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:35 am
I honestly think everyone who signs on to BB should be aware that verbal abuse and taunting is acceptable behavior. They sign a contract, so I would assume that they are agreeing to all of the above.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:37 am
I find it ironic the some here are a million times more upset then Jen is or ever was. At no point did Jen feel threatened. At best she felt annoyed. She was clear on this. Even when Kail tried to get her to use it to get Dick out, she was clear that it would be nothing but a tool, but she was ok w/it. She gets Dick. She's not having the problem some viewers are. And I think I get why. Having seen the tape of it, it wasn't done violently, or aggresively or in a threatening manner. He walked by and did it slowly, behind her and sort of laughing. Now don't get wrong...I do NOT condone his idiotic behavior and I'm glad BB finally told him to knock it off in a serious warning manner. But I also don't think the tea was as bad as some say. I find some of his vulgar outbursts far more obnoxious and I still think if Jen hadn't egged him on and seemed to enjoy it, she had the power to stop it. But to me I think the difference is I'm not seeing it as male/female abuse. I'm seeing it as idiotic BB gameplay that went too far. But I don't believe there was ever, at any point, a legitimate serious threat. Plus Dick tends to stop whatever obnoxious thing he is doing when someone tells him to. I noticed that last night when he and Zach were about to go over the edge. Had Jen not said "I think it's funny, keep on going you amuse me" I think it would never have gotten to this point. So I think she plays a role in it. BUT, to be clear, I think SHE is seeing it as game play, and he is seeing it as game play. I think if either were seeing or doing it as abuse that would be another subject all together!
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Gurliegirl
Member
06-20-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:42 am
Thanks all!
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:43 am
Lurk, great post.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 11:58 am
quote:I find it ironic the some here are a million times more upset then Jen is or ever was. At no point did Jen feel threatened. At best she felt annoyed.
Well, I think there wouldn't be such a storm over it if there weren't a number of people defending it. That is what has kept the discussion going for the better part of a week. And while I read a post last night from a Dick defender saying that no one had condoned his behavior, there certainly were posts at the time that were outright supportive and people who even seemed to find it funny. I don't think Jen has to feel threatened in order for me to evaluate how I feel about Dick's behavior. I find his verbal abuse disgusting and indicative of his character. I think the dumping of the tea crossed the line and should have resulted in his ejection from the house. That BB said it didn't cross the line is irrelevant to me, since they've shown in past seasons that their line is hardly hard and fast, if it even exists at all. My personal feeling is that throwing something on someone is an assault (and my understanding is that this is legally true, as well). To me it doesn't matter that it was cold tea rather than hot, whether or not the cup touched her head, that he did it quickly and kept on walking. Comparing it to the rigging of the hose as a prank or to food fights is silly. It was a hostile act meant to humiliate her; it was an escalation from his verbal abuse because Dick had realized that his verbal abuse wasn't working. In real life, I would not be surprised if he escalated beyond there, because he was just that angry, can't control his temper, and seems to be hugely frustrated by the fact that he can't break Jen.
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:17 pm
I'm sorry but I thought Jen did look bothered by it.....I cannot stand Dick or Daniele......they both have BIG problems.....sorry if I'm not supposed to say it like that on here...but it bothers me sooooo much....Nick is also quickly entering my "hate zone" as well. To me, I think these people are the ones acting like they are morally superior than others in this house. Not Jen....she's just goofy.
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Nynana
Member
05-31-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 12:25 pm
Klaw and GAL, ty for your posts. ITA with you. I think most folks just don't see the escalation in Dicks behavior and it has escalated greatly. The next time he snaps, he could jump in with physical abuse and they couldn't get enough people in the house in time to prevent it...and if they did go in the house, would the game be over? If one has never lived with the kind of abuse Dick dishes out, then one can not know how quickly it can escalate into something very physical where someone will get hurt. Dick is a lose cannon and has anger issues and women issues. It is all about his controling and when he can't control it, it boils inside until he explodes. I have lived with this in the past and it isn't pretty, it isn't fun, and it is no joke. And Klaw, the fact that no one in the house has stood up for Jen, including the other 2 ostrasized HGs <Zach and Kail> by the rest of the house speaks loudly the to who they are that they will condone this behavior and do nothing to at least diffuse the situation speaks volumes on their behavior. Sad to see so many think this is okay in today's society. 
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:01 pm
Anyone in the house that truly feels threatened or compromised is free to walk out the door anytime. If one fears for their safety that badly I would think that would be more important than the $$$. I didn't see the tea thing as threatening in the least. It was childish, mind you, but we all do childish things at times. I see ED as loud, very opinionated and outspoken, I have not seen him as a viable threat to this point. JMO.
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Northwestblonde
Member
09-01-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:35 pm
The passive-aggressive bullying that Jen does is every bit as vile as the overblown tirades that Dick does. Every chance Jen gets, she makes back-handed comments and threats (case in point, the POV competition early in the game where she quietly threatened Amber) to all the houseguests. You don't have to shout, hit, or scream to be a bully. The fact that no one in the house likes her and America consistently wants her out of the house only goes to her needing a clear wake-up call. However, bullies rarely ever get it. Iced tea being dumped on her head is right on par with the smirks, snickers, and passive-aggressive bull she does to everyone in the house. Frankly, she deserved it.
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Nancehereagain
Member
07-11-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 1:59 pm
Lurk, and those who believe Jen was not bothered, apparently have not seen all of the feeds covering this incident. Jen very defnitely was bothered and "frightened." First, and most importantly, leading up to this and before the whole kitchen tea incident, Dick subjected Jen to a brutal verbal attack in the round bed room. It went on for a long time and was horrendous, to me at least. Anyone who has not viewed and heard the entire incident that day may want to view the clips at this YouTube site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnDybNQUiRA After the tea throwing, Jen immediately got the BB notebook on rules for info about this. She announced to Kail that she was frightened, what he would do next, the whole thing sucked and she wanted to leave. They discussed when people have left in the past and what was required. She then said she was going to request to leave from the producer in the DR and then on leaving get an immediate restraining order. This is not internet gossip, I saw it myself on the feeds, as I was watching the entire night. Apparently when she went into the DR they talked her out of it and must have reassured her. It was after that when Dick was called into the DR. Also, as for her not being bothered, I have seen her quietly and privately crying three separate times when she was alone and also the night of the attack when she was alone in the HOH room with Kail. One time two or three of the hg's found her crying and attempted to cheer her up. I'm not necessarily a fan of Jen's, but I do want to set the record straight and the verbal yelling and screaming attacks on her have made me sick to my stomach. To me, this has gone way, way over the line of playing a game of manipulation, scheming and lying, it's outright abuse and cruelty and is as harmful as a physical attack. Yes, Dick "is" using it as game play and calls it "messing with their heads." A daily diet of that would be called brain washing, I suspect?
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:06 pm
If the tea party was so bad why did she wait a day before washing it out? Personally I love it, I thought it was funny. Sorry but this years cast sucks so bad I need such stunts to entertain me LOL!!!
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Mrstaz
Member
07-20-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:11 pm
BB can't do anything about it. If they do anything about it then they have to come clean with when Eric did the mustard on Jen's things for America's Player which they were behind. It makes it look like they are condoning one type of behavior and not the other. Since the HGs don't know about AP they would have to reveal their twist for this year.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:12 pm
quote:If the tea party was so bad why did she wait a day before washing it out?
That's not remotely relevant. If he had smacked her in the face, and she hadn't put ice on it, would you say it's no big deal, since she didn't even have to ice it?
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:23 pm
I think Nick is becoming pretty bad too. Telling Jen to F^&* off all the time.....and in that one video.....him telling Jen to leave (or get out).....who does he think he is?!?! Ugh! I hope he is gone tonight and Dick is next....
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