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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 4: BB should Remove Eric ASAP!: Archive through August 03, 2007 users admin

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Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
" But bottom line is he is not doing his job as advertised for US. "

Bottom line - if you don't like what he is doing OPT OUT of his alliance! No one is forcing you to play along.

In any case, why not say "me" instead of "us"?

You speak only for yourself.....not Eric's alliance of 10 million viewers.

Erinbear
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08-05-2005

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Erinbear a private message Print Post    
There is a punishment for not completeing the tasks, he gtes $10K for each 5 assigned tasks completed, if he sabotages a task to the betterment of his game he is not given credit for the task and needs to complete something before he can move closer to the money.

I am enjoying the AP twist as well as the Season as a whole. Sure people and their actions irritate me at time but its all part of the game. When it entertains me I watch when it irritates me I take a break. There is enough angst and woe in real life that I don't feel the need to get indignant and up in arms over actions of a character on a TV show....

Marksman
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05-04-2007

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marksman a private message Print Post    
People act like there was no way he could not have gotten Kail evicted either of the past two weeks. If that is the case, why do most people squarely point to him as being the person responsible for convincing everyone else to vote out Mike and Nick. The reality is he is not just doing what he is doing to protect himself and be safe, he is doing it to further his own agenda, with no regard at all for what the people vote. That is dumb. He could have easily got Kail out two weeks ago if he would have campaigned for it.

He could have easily gotten her out this week as well. Instead he went the other way and convinced everyone to do the opposite. If it were just a matter of him trying to protect himself, I would be fine with it. But that has nothing at all to do with what he is doing. In fact in order to protect himself he would have pushed for Kail. Instead he has just been a contrarian fool.

I think there is an expectation that with the votes that he will attempt to do what is put in front of him. The last two weeks he did not attempt to get Kail evicted either time. Yet he easily could have if he had tried. He knows that and does not care.

Tough luck Eric. Realize you were picked for this ROLE. You would not have been cast as a regular housemate.

Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
BB gives us a choice of two or three things (eg. which catchphrase would you like him to use), but none of those are what I would have chosen. Should he evict xx or xx? What if neither of those people are my choice?

Eric just has to do what BB wants, with a little influence from people who choose to vote. Personally, I don't waste my time doing that.

America's Player isn't even the person I would have chosen in the first place. BB chose him.

I'm not thrilled with Eric, but the fact that he is there and has to do what "America" wants him to do, is definitely creating controversy. I actually don't care one way or the other if there is an AP or not.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
I watched housecalls and Nick loves the twist and Eric :-). He's not mad at all and thinks it's just part of the game.

Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chewpito a private message Print Post    
Im missing somthing, why do we need to punish Eric, I think he is doing a great job considering he has to vote the way we want him too and then try to 'not' look like he did to remain good in the house....then some moron comes along and flys a banner and kinda shakes things up...well its game on, but I dont really see what Eric did wrong...he is just working with the cards he was delt it seems to me...

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
Nick did not look pleased. Was he on the Early Show? Did it come up?

I thought he took it very well on the show last night. It was discussed quite a bit on Housecalls today and he has no problem with it. It sounds to me like he thinks it's pretty fun and likes the idea.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
What hasn't he done? He told Kail a sob story, he dumped mustard on Jen's shirt, he campaigns for who America's choice is and he has no say in the vote, whoever America votes for is his vote.

With his whole alliance wanting Nick out this week, he'd have looked pretty suspicious pushing for Kail to hard. At some point he's got to step back and do whats beneficial for him to get further in the game.

I think he's at a greater disadvantage than the rest of the hg's. He's got to take into account what his 10,000,000 person alliance wants and at times has to anticipate what they want before finding out how the vote went. Is he just supposed to sit in a corner and keep his mouth shut til he gets instructions?

Jenf66
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08-11-2006

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jenf66 a private message Print Post    
Erik has to tread a fine line in trying to do what America wants and keeping peace for himself in the house. If he pushes too hard for what America has voted and it is not what the house wants then he will be putting a bullseye on his back. If he is put up and voted off then there will no longer be an AP in the house. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but if people complain he isn't doing what he is told is that worse than doing what he is told if doing so gets him voted out of the house?

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
He blew it himself, we didn't have anything to do with it. He appears to be a smart guy but as innocent as he has tried to be in that house he is no different than any of them on ego overload. Consistantly with the names he's been given from America it was Kail and Jen, the odds were that it would still be Kail and Jen, so why would he put Nick's name out there so damn early. If he wanted to do that he should have said, "but I think we should keep our eyes open and meet again just before Noms to make a final decision"..He himself went for the committment and by doing that he hosed our chance to have any part of this eviction. He choose to do that and if it bites him in the ass, so be it.

I think he did that so America would have more time to give him what he wants instead of him doing what we want. That way he can have his cake and eat it too. Imagine how bad those would feel who really wanted one of their favs to win and Eric not only wins the game but also completes all his tasks, gets all his bonuses, based solely on outside influence. He got cocky, he thought he found a way to circumvent his assignment to his game.

Erinbear
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08-05-2005

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Erinbear a private message Print Post    
Well said Wargod

Doublethink
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08-23-2006

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Doublethink a private message Print Post    
Sorry Lurk, I don't support your take on the AP Player role, but I appreciate that you moved the topic out of the current happenings thread. And Erinbear - ITA.

Bearlee
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05-18-2005

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bearlee a private message Print Post    
Technically Eric has not lied about casting the "stray" votes. Not once has he said the words, "I vote to evict Kail." Julie just says we know what your vote is but we have to keep up the charade.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Again it doesn't even matter, he blew it. He wanted America to vote with him not for themselves this time. He tried to turn it around so that we didn't make the decision he did and we just went along with him.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
EM, he was just trying to be part of his own alliance. Every other alliance in the house has input from the whole group.

That doesn't mean that "BB should Remove Eric ASAP!"

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
DH and I love Eric and think he's doing an excellent job under difficult circumstances (funny how people can see things so differently). After seeing the way Dick and Nick were bullying Jen the other night, I was very happy to see Nick go. It just turned my stomach to see them all bullying her that way, and no one would come to her defense.

My opinion of Jen has also changed. After thinking she was crazy at first about crying over her picture, I have come to admire the way she's able to keep her calm with Dick and Nick berating her all the time. I would have been crying in a corner!

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I don't want them to remove him SF..I'm just saying that Eric spent 4 days trying to convince us to vote for Nick. He made way too much noise in that meeting to ever be able to go back on what he said, and he knew that. He depended on us to do what he wanted, instead of holding it down a little and waiting to see what we wanted.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
This week I did not see him really working to get Kail evicted but I have to disagree that he didn't try last week to make it happen. I thought last week he was really working it.

Even though I think he could have tried harder this week, I see no reason why he should be removed. Just like any of them try to influence their alliance members he tried to influence his alliance with all of us. We just didn't go along with him lol. As long as the HG's affected by it like Nick have no problem with it, then neither do I. I'm still enjoying it!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think having Eric being somewhat directed by the public is really "big brother". The whole premise of Big Brother is for the PTB to mess with the players. They moved further and further away from that over time.

Having an AP is a move back to that premise, and I like it.

But having him as AP means he has to stay in the game, and not be voted out. For each task, Eric has to determine if it's too risky to push it. So he gets squeezed as well. I like it all.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
I don't think Eric's twist is any different than those evil twins or of houseguests who get to come back. I don't think it's fair that in a couple seasons SOME houseguest knew another player ahead of time. I didn't think it was fair that some all stars planned things before going inside. It's CBS's game and they make up the rules. The HGs know that going in. Expect the unexpected. I actually think Eric is at a big disavantage having to do the stuff asked of him. And I never took it to mean he HAS to do, just that if he was able to then he'd win money. It annoys me that he is making chooses and assumptions based on who the voting America has chosen for him but it's no worse than competitions set up to favor certain people. It's not a fair game and that is that. :o)

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
To clarify, since some folks are wondering why my feathers are so ruffled, my serious problems come with Eric's most recent actions (or lack thereof).

He 'job" was to get Kail evicted from the BB house. Not only did he he not make a legitimate effort, but he went to everyone in the LNC, told them to ignore EVERYTHING he said and that he really wanted Nick gone, then did that feeble attempt they showed on TV. He actively worked to go against his AP role and remove the other HG. And if that isn't bad enough, now that Jessica told him that D/D are on to him, he is planning to convince the rest of the LNC that one of them made that extra vote and is using it to break their alliance up.

So think about it. He will get Dick or Dani or both evicted by lying about them casting the votes he did. He worked hard to get Nick out and lied about him casting the votes, so that is 2 reasons of him not doing his job.

As I see it, he can't have it both ways. He is in there as America's Player, allegedly doing what we want. Instead he is taking that role, not doing it, and blaming folks he wants to evict with the actions HE has done. I can't believe others don't have problems with this here (other boards are as furious as I am...I may have to register elsewhere lol).

And as for Nick and others not being mad, they don't even fully understand what has happened, let alone what is now unfolding. They are JUST out. I bet they will speak differently when they see the tapes, hear more of how Eric's AP role and lies got them evicted. I understand some folks just hate D/D so much they want them out regardless of how, but to me it's the principle of how Eric is abusing this, changing the game, and ruining it for so many, while not doing what the US has voted for him to do, which he agreed to do before going in the house!!!

Hope that clarifies it somewhat. I still think he should be removed, but if not I think Alison should have a meeting w/him and show him his AP contract and remind him he agreed to follow those tasks in the house. It's not just not getting paid, he is totally not attempting them or doing the opposite. And we were told he must do or try to accomplish what we voted.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"I don't want them to remove him SF.."

I was just referring to this thread's title/topic.

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
We've talked about this twist making us part of the game. Now we are. We're being double crossed, just like we're in the house. LOL! You should feel just like Kail. Or Nick. Or the rest.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I agree with Lurk, he is using his knowledge to get rid of other people, and that is totally unfair. None of them have a clue how we feel, well not until last nite anyway. Going to ev1 and telling them he will be lying about trying to get Nick to stay nailed his coffin shut in my eyes. We wanted Kail gone and he knew it.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I like the concept of AP. I don't like Eric at all, in or out of that role, and I don't like how he's playing, but that would be true with or without AP, I think.

I think the one thing that bothered me the most as I caught up on live feeds since I went to bed was where Jessica said that she talked in the DR about maybe Eric being those votes and the person in there basically talked her out of that thought.. like you could trust him..

Now, I realize that there is a ton of manipulation that goes on in the DR, but this was just a blatant confirmation and because Eric is AP, I think the DR people are going to work even harder than they usually do to keep a favored HG in the house.

Also I'll be really interested to see what happens if Eric gets into a spot where he is unable to throw HOH.. because from last night's verbiage on the AP choices, it said if Eric became HOH he would have to nominate "America's" choice. That could be dicey for him, especially this early on..