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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 4: America's Player (ARCHIVES): Archive through July 27, 2007 users admin

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Beetleyepie
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07-23-2007

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 7:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beetleyepie a private message Print Post    
The biggest risk as I foresee it for Eric is when he does his campaigning against a specific person every week when it may go against what everyone else wants. They seemed to be listening in rapt attention in the Thursday show when he was campaigning against Kail, but you got the sense that some of them were thinking, "Where is all of this coming from?" If he continues to try and be so influential, eventually someone is going to see him as some kind of master manipulator and say he has to go. They don't know what we know. They will only see a person who's trying to "stir the pot" or sway half of the house every week. And that could cut him out early.

Delilah
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07-08-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delilah a private message Print Post    
But I think the way he is trying to counteract that impression, Beetle, is by presenting a "hey, let's consider all options" approach.

That way he can get his points out there and maybe sway someone without looking like he is pushing too hard.

At least that's the impression I've gotten so far about how he has been working it.

Beetleyepie
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07-23-2007

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beetleyepie a private message Print Post    
That could work, Delilah, as long as he doesn't put his foot in his mouth by convincing everyone to put up the wrong person who'll take offense at it. Word has a way of getting back around to the offended party sometimes. It's kind of a Lady MacBeth situation when someone is the mastermind behind things but doesn't pick them off himself. It will be worth it to see whether or not his attempts at getting people nominated eventually gets him a nomination himself.

Delilah
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07-08-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 8:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delilah a private message Print Post    
I agree ... its definately a fine line for him to walk and entertaining to me to see if he can pull it off.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 8:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I think his goals are actually giving the house the impression that he isn't narrow minded and a sheep. He does insist that they look at all options before making knee jerk reactions, which I thinks gives him credibility.

Cmist
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09-20-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 8:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cmist a private message Print Post    
I have a theory that Eric and maybe CBS think that as time goes by we will vote for senarios that will be advantages to Eric thereby prolonging his stay. I mean we see more than anyone in the house and could possibly help him. The problem for me is I am not to crazy about him or the whole idea of doing things that others get blamed for.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Cmist,

exactly... look how poor Nick is getting the blame for the Mike vote and Eric was nervous when Dick was raising the issue of the second vote, he must have sensed danger there but he's now convinced the hgs aren't that smart after all if they can't figure it out...

I want to see who he's suggesting for nominations, but it seems that after midnight the consensus was Kail again... (I'm surprised America picked Kail again, I don't know how many times I clicked on Dick...) they're making a mistake by keeping him so long in the house.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Eric has been very smart to stay off the radar of everyone in the house, so when he talks, votes or plays pranks, no one in the house suspect him.

It doesn't surprise me that everyone thought Dick was the culprit in "mustardgate"..he rigs the sink, he puts m&ms hgs beds, he rearranges the bunnies each night...This is just the kind of silly stuff my dad would have done if he was in that house.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"This really takes America's choice/vote/player out of the game when we vote not what we want, but what keeps Eric in the house."

I think that's exactly what we should do. Eric is representing us viewers in the house. If Eric is a surrogate for ME then I will vote to keep him/me in the house for as long as I can.

The other players in the BB house don't just vote to evict the HGs they like the least....they use strategy and tailor their vote to evict whomever will get them further in the game.

I say just vote for the HG that you would vote for if you were Eric because, by proxy, you ARE Eric!

Babsbunny3
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07-28-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babsbunny3 a private message Print Post    
"This really takes America's choice/vote/player out of the game when we vote not what we want, but what keeps Eric in the house."

I totally disagree because this makes us feel even MORE like we are in the house; this is the same turmoil/choices that Eric is going through. Its brilliant. It is strategy on different levels, for different reasons. Its really fun to read all of your little schemes and ideas on this whole thing. I'm impressed with all of you.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Some people are suggesting that Eric shouldn't lie. I think it would be almost impossible for Eric to successfully play as America's Player and not lie.

As far as America's Player being a disadvantage or unfair to other HGs, I don't see how it is a disadvantage any more than any other player in the House? Any player could have put mustard on Jen's shirt to stir up trouble for his or her own reasons. Any player could vote opposite to the group just to cast suspicion on other players (like what has happened with Nick).

Babsbunny3
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07-28-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babsbunny3 a private message Print Post    
Jimmer is right but not only that: So WHAT if some HG are at a disadvantage? I can bet you they KNOW to Expect the Unexpected. They KNOW they can come upon a TWIST that will seem unfair. They have been schooled by BB to be prepared to get totally screwed. Thats why I love this show!! Lies, deceit, its all good. What is bad or unfair for one player is a gift to another player. Even if it goes against my fave player (Nick), I think it is fun to watch. Even if it DESTROYS my fave player (like James last year) it is fun to watch.

Goo goo ga ga games between blondi and the dr? Not fun to watch. But I digress.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I guess Julie didn't tell Mike (not even on the Early Show) about Eric being AP because by then he found that out by watching tv in his hotel.
But still I would have liked to see his reaction during the tv show... oh well...

I think sooner or later the internet viewers are going to be upset with America's choice as it won't reflect their consensus. I find hard to believe that Jen was picked again for nomination.

In a way I wished Eric would say to the tv viewers..."hello, you guys are way off..., what show are you watching???" That would be so funny!

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Said it before, will say it again...can't please everyone. At least we are getting some say in the house happenings, even if it is very minor.

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
Or ir Eric said "watch the live feeds or consult with a live feed watcher before you vote."

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think he shouldn't aggressively lie when no one is pointing fingers at him for a deed.

I'd say lie as little as possible and for heaven's sake, stop making up stupid pranks outside of his AP stunts.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Biginjapan...as most of the people here with live feeds will tell you...I don't have them, but after EVERY show I ask them who WE are voting for. I don't feel I can make an informed decision without consulting them.

Seamonkey...the way I understand it, he didn't start the lie, he just went along with it. I dunno.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"I think sooner or later the internet viewers are going to be upset with America's choice as it won't reflect their consensus"

You mean that BB is lying to us about the AP vote results? I don't buy that at all.

BB wants Jen in the house......they go out of their way to feature her almost nightly on ShoToo by showing her exercising for long periods of time. They would never select her to be put on the block if they were faking the vote results, which I don't believe they are.

If you don't accept the vote results for AP, shouldn't you refuse to accept that BB is a real game?

If you don't accept that BB a real game, doesn't that mean that BB is playing us all for fools?

If believe we are all just being played for fools, why are you watching it?

The votes are real. The game is real. The AP is real.

Sure, BB selected HGs that they thought would be "good tv" but they aren't deciding who gets nommed and who goes each week. That just makes no sense. There is no reason to.

JMO

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Sanfran..

I want to think as positive as you...but my point was that I find hard to believe Jen was picked again by America to be nominated because the internet viewers seem to think differently.
It must be the tv show viewers who can't stand Jen. I like the girl a lot and so I'm frustrated that she's picked again and again...

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Spunky, not everyone on the internet likes Jen, although I think she is growing on some people. It's just a matter of who goes to vote. I actually voted for Zach...

You win some, you lose some!

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Is Dustin losing it a little? Heh, heh, the girls are bossing him too much.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Well, what Julie Chen called her on last night's show didn't help. They need to start showing Amber in all her glory and her co-horts as well.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Question of the Day:

Will Zach get a clue (ala Jase in the HT) that there is an intent to backdoor him?

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Spunky, I didn't like Jen at all at first. I didn't mind Dick either. Now I can't stand Dick and I'd rather Jen win the whole thing than see Dick even make it to the jury.

There's no telling how people will vote....just look who's sitting in the oval office.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Friday, July 27, 2007 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Cricket are you in the right thread? :-)