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Northwestblonde
Member
09-01-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:28 pm
There seems to be an idea that if you don't support Jen, you support Dick. I don't support either. The point I attempted to make was that bullying comes in many forms. It's much easier to focus on an individual who yells, screams, and throws stuff than someone who verbally cuts a person down, insults and condemns in a passive-aggressive manner. Those on the board that support Jen refuse to see this. Dick definitely has anger issues and is too willing to push people's buttons, but anyone who doesn't just get up and walk away is not a victim, but a willing participant.
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Meagain
Member
07-20-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:36 pm
I can't believe there's even a discussion about this. It was ice tea and some ice cubes! On the level of hitting someone with a goosedown pillow. The important thing is - JEN was the recipient and she likely didn't complain. Besides, James' thumb injury was far more serious and Janelle didn't get booted for that. ;)
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Crazy
Member
06-12-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:38 pm
I'm really not understanding this at all. Each to their own but seriously. Some one please explain to me one good reason to have this kind of strategy that Dick has. It's beyond my understanding. Their are so many ways to play this game and I personally don't know anyone that is so cold to play this out. Furthermore, any Father that can call a female a (c-word) in front of his own daughter has to be messed up whether it is in a game or not. So, please someone help me here. And I'm not a Jen or Kail fan. I personally want Jessica to win. And yes, I have heard Jessica say bad things but in the over-all picture, thats who I'm hoping will win today. I'm not even trying to defend Jen. I'm just trying to understand how any of his behaviour could be excused or accepted. Their are so many other ways to play this game and win and also set a good example to win back your daughter. I just don't know. I respect all of your opinions on this board, I just don't get it.
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Meagain
Member
07-20-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:40 pm
Dick is just trying to make Jen crack. Jen retaliates worse by standing there eating ice cream smiling at him without even a frown or other facial expression. It's her way of antagonizing him. It's working.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:41 pm
I discussed this last night Norhtwestblond. Rarely do true abusers show their true colors for the world to see, they save it for private. Most abused women do not bait and follow the "abuser" around trying to get him to attack her, instead she does everything to avoid the confrontation. True abusers want others to like them so if the abused makes a complaint no one would believe it. I work with bullies and those who are bullied, and I can attest to the fact that there are those kids who taunt, tease, say things under their breath to cause distress to other students all the time. Those are the kids who ususally disturbed emotionally, not the outright shoot your mouth off, show off who makes a fool of himself run of the mill bully. Once someone gives the later a taste of their own medicine they usually back down or really go off and get into serious trouble. Jen does not stand up to Dick she goads him. Standing up would be "who do you think you are talking to like that? You have a filthy mouth and you are showing your ignorance to the whole country. You want to beat me fool then do with game and not your mouth. Get HOH put me up and get me voted out, but remember I can do the same thing to you and I probably have more stamina than you do." Making stupid comments like "oh are you King of the house"..is not standing up for yourself, it's encouraging him to continue doing what you know he does. That does not make you a victim, that makes you a participant in the ridiculous behavior..
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Peepinagain
Member
07-23-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:46 pm
I was at the dog run yesterday with 2 small french bulldogs. A man with 2 pit bulls wanted to come in and I said no. The frenchies would want to play with them (the frenchies are about 1 yr) and the pit bulls would go after them. He said I didn't know his dogs and needed to keep my dogs under control. I said I didn't know his dogs but I know the last dog they went after and that the dog needed stitches and that he couldn't control his dogs if they came in. He came in anyway and of course before I could get my dogs out his dogs went after the female. We pulled the pits off the frenchie and I checked her out and she had a couple of scratches on her tummy and blood on her but I could not find where the blood was coming from. Then we realized one of the pits had a bloody nose and must have bled on the frenchie at that point when the guy realized my dog was 'ok' (although tramatized isn't ok) he left very quickly before I could get his name. I'll get it eventually someone in the neighborhood will know him. Anyway my point is some people will say I should leave if I see this guy coming with his dogs. Which would mean everyone must leave the dog run whenever this guy has a whim to bring his dogs in. Some would say the guy should know his dogs are dangerous and not go into the dog run with other dogs. There are 2 sides to the story depending on which side you take, depends on who's 'right'. (FYI - I did speak with a police officer but dogs are property and unless they bite a human there is nothing that can be done about this guy. AND if the dogs caused damage to my dogs then I could sue for damage to property but that still would not prevent him from coming into the dog run.)
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:47 pm
quote:than someone who verbally cuts a person down, insults and condemns in a passive-aggressive manner.
Can you give me examples of when Jen has done this? I know she's said a few unpleasant things, but no more than the majority of the HGs (they've all said insulting things at this point), and about a million times fewer than Dick. I would put her on par with Jameka at the bottom of the insulting and condemning rankings. Maybe that's why they are my two favorites.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:49 pm
I love how things get twisted. Poor Dick; Jen is just MAKING him act like a jerk.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:49 pm
Sorry to be off topic but what is a dog run? Safe place for a dog with no yard to go? I agree with you about pit bulls. They were bred to be vicious, neither fair to man nor beast.
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Peepinagain
Member
07-23-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:53 pm
I live in NY so there isn't alot of places for dogs to run off leash. They have spaces where dogs and go and run off leash and play in a fenced in area. But the owners have to watch and make sure play does not escalate into fighting and not everyone is good at that or they may be on a cell phone not watching etc. You should know how your dogs will react to others and know if you should go into a dog run or just do a long walk with them instead. This guy wanted to run his pits and didn't care who was there, acted totally irresponsible and still didn't admit any fault as he disappeared. But I'll get him eventually. I've been walking dogs in the area for quite awhile and everyone is now trying to get his name so I can file a report with Animal Control.
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Willwillbee
Member
09-20-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:54 pm
I don't understand how some say Dick's attacks on Jen does not compare to Justin's knife incident when Scott didn't threaten anyone he just raged and threw a chair (not at anyone) and was removed.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:55 pm
Thanks, that's what I figured. I live in Texas. Lots of wide open spaces.
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Peepinagain
Member
07-23-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:57 pm
I'm from Kansas originally, but I've caught on very fast!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:59 pm
"I love how things get twisted. Poor Dick; Jen is just MAKING him act like a jerk." Exactly, Cricket. Dick isn't a man....he's just a sock puppet.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:03 pm
Never mind the tea incident... what about playing golf and yelling a Jen, he smucked the table but could have been Jen's face had she only said half of the bad words he said to her. That guy is crossing the line big time!! (and that Amber sitting there not saying a word)
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:07 pm
Oh please, people!!!! Folks are merely requesting that Jen is also accountable for her goading / baiting, whatever you want to call it. Yeesh.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:08 pm
I would put her on par with Jameka at the bottom of the insulting and condemning rankings. I look at it this way, Dick makes comments that are vile but really ridiculous. He says things that might even be physically impossible to do. I see that as a guy who won't hit a woman so he thinks he can humiliate her, but almost always humiliates himself instead, and can give comic releif..laughing at him not with him. On the other hand you are right Guineve Jen has said far fewer insulting things, but what she has said is not ridiculous it is reputaion destroying. "I don't want Dick to touch me" in a stinkin' competition on day 1 in the house, which infers that he might be some kind of perv. Then when the tea incident occured, instead of her and Dani hashing out why they are having a problem what comes out of her mouth a whole slew of crap about Dani's morals, another reputation stigma on his daughter. Now we can discuss how is wasn't right for them to put a father and daughter into the house until the cows come home, but they did, and Dick did what any other father would do, he poured tea on her head, well maybe other fathers would have handled it differently, but we are talking about Dick. I see both of them as having communcication problems, but I'm not willing to say she is Autistic, as some have or to label Dick an abuser of women. I have no proof of either of those assumptions. I truly feel they are playing the game they decided to play when they came into that house and I don't think either expected to meet the likes of each other.
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Northwestblonde
Member
09-01-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:11 pm
Guinevere, you asked me to mention something specific which I did earlier when I mentioned Jen's intimidation and subtle threat to Amber early on that if she didn't do what Jen wanted then Jen would just have to put her friend Dustin up on the block. The argument today between Jen and Daniele is another example. Each comment made by Jen was said in this passive-aggressive manner to make Daniele feel like everything Jen said was all in her mind and that all she had ever done was try to be her friend. Perhaps the individuals that like Jen have never encountered a narcissistic bully such as Jen. I have....more than once. I recognize the type and she fits it to perfection.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:24 pm
She wasn't goading this time.. she was sitting at the table minding her own business when Dick came at her with the golf club and yelling the vilest, filthiest words to her... folks, open your eyes, that guy is big trouble and I won't be surprised if he'll be removed from the house soon.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:32 pm
I'm sorry but we must not be watching the same thing..He came at her screaming and weilding a golf club? Is that like threw hot tea on her instead of dumped iced tea on her, semantics?
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:33 pm
Are there two golf club incidents? (asking seriously) Because the one I saw Dick never "came at her" with the golf club.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:34 pm
Earthmother, why don't you look at the clip?
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:34 pm
exactly Naja..next it will be a golf club shaved into a jailhouse shiv...
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Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:34 pm
And Dick is not going to smash Jen with a golf club. He's not an idiot. He's not even really mad at her. He's trying to rile her up. Now, if the table wants to sue him for assault, it might have a case.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 4:35 pm
I just watched it w/out sound (still at "work"), and I felt that he was trying to be intimidating when he would swing the club up on his shoulders. I'm not sure I'll even listen to the audio later. I'm burnt out on Dick's misogyny and rage. Dude needs help.
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