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Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I agree Caprica. I am not an all the time Dick fan, just like I am not an all the time Eric fan.

Ivory_mist
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08-31-2005

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ivory_mist a private message Print Post    
Nick has won $10,000 more than the rest of them...time for him to leave....another 3 tasks and it will be $20,000 more....I do not feel like supporting him any more.....do not want him to win..it would not be fair!

I hope Dani and Jen team up and clean house!

How boring it would be to see Eric, Dustin and Amber in the final three!

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
Here is a clip of AP Eric hoping that Dick and Dani continue their family reunion 6 feet under.

http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=BBMedia&Number=6262112&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=31&fpart=

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Why would it not be fair for Eric to win? Do you think that it is easier for America's Player to win the game?

Ivory_mist
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08-31-2005

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ivory_mist a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, only because we have helped him...are we helping the others?

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 10:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
The day Eric is removed from the house for not fulfilling his "twist " obligations Dani and Dick need to be put out because their "twist" estrangement is FAKE.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
How are we helping Eric?

He has NO information, other than that people don't like Kail and Jen. Wow. What a surprise. I'm sure he couldn't figure it out for himself. Neither of those two has ever targeted Eric, neither was a threat to him. Eric learned NOTHING from America that could help him in the game.

Eric is playing with a huge weight around his neck, considering that the voters don't care if what they want is good strategy, they just want the cute guys and the "nice" people to stay.

Nick did not particularly care for Eric. Nick announced publicly that he would be there to see three people, none of whom were Eric, win. Eric was forced to work against his own vote to protect himself. For that alone, he deserves applause from all the viewers who claim to want to see the "best player" win the game.

For 3 weeks, Eric tried his best to please America, doing the stupid tricks requested of him and trying to get the people nominated and evicted that people didn't like. One time (and it was only 1 time) he tried to take a proactive stance in order to secure his long term status in the house and now people are shouting "NO FAIR" and wanting to take their ball and go home, screwing over the rest of us who were enjoying playing the game.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree Onlyhuman.

I think it would be nothing short of extraordinary game play on Eric's part for him to win considering many of his alliance of 10,000,000 have absolutely no interest in him even staying in the game, much less seeing him win.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I've been trying to avoid this, since it has me seriously aggravated (not in a fun game way anymore). That's always a good time to step back from the puter and do something real lol. But just had to check in and gotta comment on your last post.

Ironically, by Eric not doing what we wanted, and by so blatently going against us -the whole telling everyone to ignore whatever he said to save Nick, then saying it complete his task...clear bs to everyone I think! (bs is ok word here right if not remove please).

Anyway by doing that I feel caused himself to lose our support and interest in him staying there. I didn't have any real problem w/him before and don't recall reading much either. Granted no one was in love w/him, but there wasn't the hate/dislike either.

So guess if we are his alliance, he is dealing with the result of completely betraying us, doing the exact opposite of what we wanted, and then faking it for TV. It's not nice to totally screw over your 10,000,0000 alliance!!! Hope he sees that he did this totally to himself.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Eric has been thrown under the bus by his alliance.If you voted for what was best for Eric then you voted for Nick to go,if you voted for Kail to go then you threw him under the bus.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Eric specifically asked his alliance to vote a certain way to help him out because he felt it would be to his advantage to get Nick out and he felt it would be to his advantage to state his position early. His alliance ignored him and voted the other way (or at least more than 50% did). Who screwed who first?

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
But Lurk, it wasn't so much that people hated him, it was that, like you said, they didn't CARE if he stayed or went. They just wanted him to do what THEY wanted, regardless of how it would affect him.

Basically, Eric was in an alliance with 10,000,000 people who were willing to play with him as long as he did nothing to hurt THEIR favored players. As soon as he did something for himself, they turned on him, without even thinking about how the strategy might be best in the long term.

Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cousin_jake a private message Print Post    
He is in there to do what we want, not the other way around. He should hold back on campaigning or lobbying for anyone until he knows what the majority of voters wants. After all, we see and hear much more than he does, he should take clues from our votes. He is screwing us.
He only made it in to the BB8 cast because of the AP twist.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
If there was no AP twist Eric wouldn't even be a possible backdoor candidate. He has been running the house for weeks even though his alliance has been sabotaging his game play.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I wish CBS would give us the % of the vote so we know how many people are trying to get Eric thrown out of the house.

Why are so many people all bent out of shape over Nick leaving he did nothing but lay in bed with Daniele all day and lick his lips.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
no one gave a rats behind when he failed to get jessica nominated. but nick leaves and all hell breaks loose.

he is our vote for the final 2. if he leaves this week i hope it's his (our) vote that would have made our choice the winner.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Caprica, that is the huge irony...

People wanted Eric to risk his own hide saving the guy who had no interest in trying to save it himself.

Nick COULD have swayed Amber or even Jess, but he didn't even try. Dani and Dick didn't even try that hard. It was left to Eric to try to save a guy who wouldn't hesitate to put Eric up on the block to save Dani, Amber, Jameka and even Dick.

And Cousin_jake, someone posted that many of the house that Eric was weasly early on because he wouldn't commit and would seem to turn on a dime BECAUSE he was waiting for the vote results. Voters, most of whom only see a highly edited, time delayed show, weren't helping him at all. He is straddling the reality of the house and the TV show timeline and was bound to fall through the cracks. In this ONE case, he asked his voting alliance to do what he asked and got screwed over in the process.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
To me the funniest part is that so many are upset what this cost Nick and yet he thinks the twist is great and has no hard feelings. I would not be surprised if we learn he starts voting in it himself. I know I posted and maybe others did too that Nick said that Eric seemed shady at the beginning since he wouldn't commit and now he understands why.

I want a vote in the finals. So I am wanting whatever is necessary to keep Eric safe this week so he can at least make it to the jury.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Jimmer...in a single BB TV show, or on the web site or anywhere did you ever once hear them say "America, you and Eric are in an alliance, so you get to work together in the BB house?" NOPE! What BB OFFICIALLY said was 'America, Eric is working for YOU in the Big Brother house. You vote and tell Eric what you America wants him to do."

So seems to me this alliance is strictly a fan idea/concept. It isn't how BB set it up. Eric was to be the fans voice in the house to do what WE wanted. It was never a partnership. It was a way to give the fans the vote we had long asked for. So I probably shouldn't have gone along with the alliance analogy but it fit, since he turned on us lol.

But bottom line, he was clear and BB was clear in telling us Eric's role...then Eric did the complete opposite. Is that right?

I honestly understand those who feel that the AP should have been set up differently...heck I argued for that early in the game saying it wwas unfair to Eric and as others pointed out to me, that was the way it was set up and that is what he agreed to do. I was wrong, I admitted it. But now that Eric decided to change the rules, I am upset for the same reason I admitted I was wrong. Fair is fair period. He should do whatever role he agreed to. They made it crystal clear to us that he was playing for US and doing what WE wanted. So how is it ok for him to do the total opposite, and to tell the HG to ignore what he says when faking trying to win that task??? Forget about what some think is right...according to the BB rules, how is that ok?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The problem with BB (as usual) is that they tend to be unclear. Sure they say something like "Eric is playing for you America" but I think that Julie also refers to Eric's "alliance with America".

I think way back in one of these threads I said something about how people can interpret it any way that they want. What I want Eric to do is to work to try to get my view across (based on my votes) and also work to get himself further in the game. I don't want him to commit suicide in the game just because I may have made a mistake from his perspective. I want him to play for me in that manner. So as far as I'm concerned, Eric is still playing for me if he changes it up because he thinks that I made a mistake.

What should Eric have done if it turns out that America's choice to be nominated was Dick? Should he have pressed Daniele relentlessly to nominate her father, regardless of how badly it would damage his (and our) game?

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
Quite sure, at the time of Nick's interview, he was unaware of all that Eric did/said about him.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I don't know why everyone keeps saying it's what WE wanted. I voted for Nick to go. The AP vote may not necessarily be an accurate account of what the majority, who are Eric's ally, really want.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Eric has also stated his was the first alliance of 10,000,000.

LOL, Cricket, I've been typing out "what America wants/wanted" because I voted for Nick to go as well. Seeing how the house was leaning and Eric asking for it to be Nick and because I thought long term Nick would be a bigger threat to Eric and the whole AP twist, it would be better if he went over Kail.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
If we can get our hands on a copy of Eric's contract and his "AP rules" including all the fine print, then we can analyze them and understand whether or not Eric is breaking the rules.

Until then, I don't understand how one can argue whether or not Eric is adhering to a document no one here has ever seen.

All we know are the little bits and pieces we've gleaned from what Eric said in the first show (about his 10,000,000 person alliance) and how his vote is only "for show" in the DR because his vote has already been selected.

Where's the fine print and all the legal definitions of this term and that term that you see in every other legal contract? Without all that, trying to answer the question "Did Eric break the rules for AP?" is an exercise in futility.

Carmil
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07-17-2005

Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmil a private message Print Post    
But after the votes were counted, America wanted Kail out, not Nick.
Bottom line is if Eric would've done what America asked him to do, he could have easily gotten D/D and Jess to change their votes, he wouldn't be in the mess he's in now!