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Gabby
Member
09-28-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:28 pm
Reading these comments is just so unreal to me. I can't believe that people really think that Jen is a bully. Dick has intimidated, threatened and verbally abused her almost everyday. This just plain wrong and disgusting behavior.
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Flyincows
Member
07-17-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:29 pm
MRSTAZ, you are comparing apples to grapes. The 'mustard thing' was a prank no harm, the tea thing was done in anger - not to mention the revolting comments from ED.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:35 pm
"If they do anything about it then they have to come clean with when Eric did the mustard on Jen's things" Vandalism and abusive behavior are two entirely different things. The vandalism of Jen's tank top with mustard was not even close to the same thing as Dick actually "vandalizing" Jen with a glass of tea. The former is about property and the latter is about personal safety. I have no doubt that they already knew they could lose clothing in the BB house because they have actually burned previous HG's clothing as part of a competition!
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Northwestblonde
Member
09-01-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:36 pm
What I fail to understand is the sympathy Jen gets on this board. If she simply walked away whenever Dick even talked to her, none of these confrontations would occur. Instead, the two of them have a BB version of "I know you are but what am I?" Jen is every bit as responsible for what happens as Dick is. I see people like this everyday in the workplace who do the same kinds of things Jen does and we call them bullies.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:40 pm
I suspect that Jen is a lot like Dick's ex when they were younger. Either one can walk but they seek each other out in strange ways, egg each other on then clash like oil and water. It's too bad that the 2 of them can't work together. They would be awsome. We complain about the HG's each year but are also drawn to the show like bees to the honeycomb or we wouldn't be here.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:41 pm
quote:What I fail to understand is the sympathy Jen gets on this board. If she simply walked away whenever Dick even talked to her, none of these confrontations would occur.
And if a woman simply didn't walk down a dark street by herself late at night, wearing a short skirt, she wouldn't get raped. I just don't understand the continual holding Jen responsible for Dick's behavior.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:41 pm
"What I fail to understand is the sympathy Jen gets on this board. If she simply walked away whenever Dick even talked to her, none of these confrontations would occur." What I fail to understand is the sympathy Dick gets on this board. If he simply walked away whenever he felt like abusing Jen, none of these confrontations would occur. When did Jen become responsible for how Dick behaves? Dick is a human being, not a sock puppet on Jen's hand. We are all responsible for our own behavior.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:43 pm
Guinevere - great minds think alike! 
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Flyincows
Member
07-17-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:43 pm
NWBlonde, are you really saying that Jen needs to scurry away whenever ED is around? I think that Jen's response to his psycho rants show the ultimate in self control.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:48 pm
It's what a lot of people are saying, it seems to me - Jen is the one who needs to modulate her behavior, even though Dick is the one who is acting out. Some of it may be just that some people like Dick over Jen, and thus find excuses for his behavior (I've certainly made excuses for HGs I've liked in the past...) But I can't help but wonder how much of it has to do with Dick being male and Jen being female.
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:49 pm
Jen is not forced to stay in this "abusive" relationship, she knows where the door is and can use it if she wants. She is USING the episode to garner sympathy.
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Mrstaz
Member
07-20-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:51 pm
Yes it was a prank, but the HGs don't know it was a prank. They don't know the actions have been done by two different people. If it was done by any other HG other than ED people would probably think it was funny.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:02 pm
The HG do realize it was a prank. Jen said it was something a two year old would do and no one actually got angry or upset over it. Eric even told them he did it but they apparently didn't believe him.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:04 pm
"Jen is not forced to stay in this "abusive" relationship, she knows where the door is and can use it if she wants." Dick is not forced to stay in this house with the woman he abuses, he knows where the door is and can use it if he wants.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:06 pm
The tea incident in real life would be interpreted as simple assault. The crushing of the throat comment would be communicating a threat. The golf club incident would be brandishing a weapon.Dick should GO before something really bad happens.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:10 pm
Step Baaaaack. This is Big Brother!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:11 pm
I don't understand why Jen should have to walk away when Dick starts one of his tirades. Dick is responsible for what comes out of his mouth and for his actions.
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WoodpeckeŽ
Member
07-16-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:12 pm
Dick did the same ting to Kail. It's his calling card.
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WoodpeckeŽ
Member
07-16-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:13 pm
If anyone disagrees with me, they get a bloody anus. So there. Any takers?
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:14 pm
Jen's lack of reaction makes Dick feel frustrated and impotent. She neutralizes his "power" over her by simply refusing to cower.
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Klaw73
Member
08-21-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:14 pm
Dick has been "warned" more than once and still continues to do it. That's what I don't understand. At what point is CBS/BB going to start taking it seriously?
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:14 pm
UMMMM NO!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:22 pm
Nancehere, prior to Jen getting the BB house rule book, Kail approached her and they discussed how she should say she was scare and get him kicked out. She said SHE WAS NOT SCARED. Kail whispered she shouldn't say that and play up being scared. They then discussed how she could use it to get Dick kicked out. Therein lies a large portion of why I feel as I do. If she honestly was scared and not faking it per Kail's suggestion that would be different. But she was NOT SCARED! She is playing it for game. Beyond that I'm not getting into it as some of us clearly see it differently from others and I doubt many will change their viewpoints. But if I truly felt that she was at a risk of being abused, or that she wasn't acively playing in to it as part of the BB game, I'd feel differently. But since it IS game to her, I think we should let it be game actions. And as horrified and upset as some are that this is abuse, I am conversely and equally upset because I truly believe that when a woman laughs off wrong treatment and discusses how to use it as strategy against a man, while saying she really doesn't care, well that takes away credibility from all women with a legit complaint. Folks then recall seeing it used at game strategy and someone with a legit abuse complain might be ignored based on Jen's actions. JMHO, but I feel a valid one that still supports women btw!
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:27 pm
Good post Lurknomore. I agree. No one said Jen deserved abuse.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:28 pm
And if a woman simply didn't walk down a dark street by herself late at night, wearing a short skirt, she wouldn't get raped. How can anyone equate that kind of violence with actors on a reality television show? Dick is over the top and he is vile, and it's even one thing (I don't agree to do) to call him an abuser, but to equate him to a rapist or her as a rape victim, I think that is just wrong. Without uttering a single cuss word I have heard things said that are much more vile than what Dick has said just not done in a "SHOCKING" way but through subtle comments and some not so subtle..
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