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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 4: Please help me understand (AP): Archive through August 06, 2007 users admin

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Delilah
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07-08-2005

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delilah a private message Print Post    
Streetsmart -- can you link to that CBS production statement?

That's not the way I understand AP at all and its not the way most sites have been keeping count of accomplished tasks.

I would be curious to hear it from the horses' mouth, so to speak.

Thanks in advance.

Streetsmart
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08-06-2006

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Streetsmart a private message Print Post    
Youd have to email CBS directly and theyd tell you the same thing. It was on another msg board where the email was pasted. If you emailed them theyd tell you the same thing. I dont know what thread it was in and im not going to go around chasing it.

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
I do not like the America's player twist and hope this week will be the end of yet another of the lame Big Brother twists. Eric was put in the house to do what America voted him to do. I would probably like Eric if he was just a player in the game.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I enjoy playing and have voted for almost all tasks. What I don't enjoy, however, is being told that my vote is stupid or a waste, or that I'm messing with Eric's game.

I'm not pleased with the person who is America's Player, however, and that may actually be influencing some of my votes. I didn't pick Eric, I don't like Eric, and I really don't want him to win. I wouldn't mind if he left the house this week.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Streetsmart...I did not see the CBS statement, or the e-mails surrounding it... but the original e-mail questioning it may have been sent after the 1st America's Vote task which asked "Who should Eric vote to evict?" ... I would agree that at that point he needed only to VOTE for the eviction... but subsequestly CBS changed the wording to "Who should Eric target for eviction?" ... this is where Eric chose to target Nick, but have America's vote for Kail...

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i still need to see something from CBS to believe it. it's not on their website and i don't read other boards. and, i can fabricate an email from anyone and post it. so, i have a hard time believing CBS would send an email that contradicts their own website without changing the website to reflect it.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
I actually think it was unwise of Eric to continue to campaign against Nick. He needed him to stay in at least one more week so that he could use him as a decoy. Now that he's gone, there's no one else to point fingers at... which is why he's had to flip from siding with Daniele and Dick to campaigning against them earlier than he wanted.

I get WHY he has to do it and I have no issue with him doing it with the other HG. However, I don't like that he paints himself as the victim when he's talking to US in the diary room. The truth is that he IS the liar in the alliance. Yes, he's doing it because he represents US but, in the house, he IS the one guilty of deceit. It's one thing to pretend that he's innocent with the HG but another to try and pretend that with US, the people he's "playing for." That's what bugs me about Eric.

Well that and the fact that a large number of people on this board seem to assume that because I am not all "oh poor Eric" when Daniele and Dick are calling him out on his lies and attempts to cover them that it means I want Dick and Daniele to win. I just want us all to be honest enough to recognize that Eric is the liar in this situation and Dick and Daniele are not wrong for trying to expose him. We may not like it because it threatens our ability to have a say in the game but I'm not going to think Dick and Daniele are horrible for getting pissed off that Eric is lying to them and using a lot of double-speak and deflection when they (Dick) confronts him. I'd be frustrated and pissed at him too.

To get back on topic, I am torn on the idea of an America's Player. In theory, I like it. However, I think it would have been a better success if BB had actually chosen someone who was ONLY going in to do what America wanted rather than someone who truly wanted to play the game and had his own strategy in mind beforehand (i.e. someone who was not eligible to win the money). In that regard, I don't think it's fair to Eric because, yes, America's choices end up making it that much harder for him. But it's also unfair to everyone else because Eric is getting outside intel about how America feels about people (and, therefore, theoretically what we must be seeing that he's not) and doesn't really have to do what America wants.

To answer your question, ZM, I tend to feel the need to mess with Eric and vote for people who aren't the obvious choice to keep him safe because he is so fake about "us" working as a team. For instance, if after seeing who we wanted him to try and get evicted last week, he had honestly told us that he couldn't do it because Nick was the bigger threat to him, I'd have respected that. Instead, he showed a little bit of annoyance but then pretended to be onboard... only to completely ignore what America had voted (beyond his actual vote which he CAN'T control).

Of course, I don't think you have to worry about America voting against him because BB didn't show any of that. Only the people who watch the feeds really understand that he didn't change his tune about who he wanted gone. If the results of the AP each show tell me anything, it's the American viewing public who are controling the results... not the live feed/Internet BB fans.

Smartypants
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03-09-2007

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smartypants a private message Print Post    
I really like your idea Antfur...that is more like what I was expecting AP to be

that we get to clue him in on some of the "secret" conversation that America is privy too ..but I guess that would be considered cheating and unfair to all the other HGs.... and wouldn't really work though..oh well..

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
wow, raen, ITA with your entire post.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Me too!!...Very well stated!!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree with Raen that it would have been better if CBS had clearly defined Eric's role and simply paid him for his participation. As it is, CBS has set it up so that he is being pulled in two directions. They are giving him a chance and encouraging him to win $500,000 but at the same time they have got viewers expecting him to do exactly as he is told, regardless of how he thinks it will damage his chances at the big prize.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
As for CBS releasing a statement, I not only agree with those who would need to see it, I say that it means nothing unless it's openly posted on their website and stated on the show each week when AP's task is announced. (Note that it WAS clarified on this week's task, for instance.)

The average person voting is basing their understanding of WHAT they are voting for based on what is said on the show or the site, not on an email they may or may not get from CBS production staff meant to cover CBS in case of legal action.

Fan3
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07-07-2005

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fan3 a private message Print Post    
you know I think this showtime will end up bitting CBS in the azz... because as you stated cbs does slant the show the way they want it to be seen but with a bigger audience seeing the real thing (or part) they might have a harder time
getting people to believe there slant...

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Having said the above, one of the things that CBS relishes is controversy. The more they can get people discussing the show, the better it is for them. Look at all the discussion and interest that they have generated here (multiple threads) by not clearly defining Eric's role. So viewers have the choice to decide how they want Eric to play and can argue over what Eric's role is and how they want to react to the twist. That works great for CBS.

Plus even if they were simply paying Eric and he couldn't win, the twist would still involve an element of judgement on Eric's part. For example, if he were to relentlessly push for certain nominations, he would be out of there in a week.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i find it odd that of all the emails that CBS does not respond to that they would respond to just one fan's complaint. there are many here that have emailed CBS on numerous occasions and never received a reply.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Exactly, Jimmer. At the end of the day, I can't blame Eric for being pulled more towards the $500,000. However, that means he's stopped being MY player and is now just someone who is getting outside info from me. I'd be lying if I didn't admit that it changes how I want to vote on AP tasks and some of that is based on how I feel about Eric as a player in the game.

FWIW, I haven't actually voted on any AP tasks in weeks. Again, the American viewing audience is who you need to blame if things aren't going Eric's/your way. (And, really, the editors of the show have a lot to do with that so you should be blaming BB itself for who it chooses to villianize that particular show/week.)

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Don't you understand Streetsmart , Eric is supposed to help Dick and Daniele win. His moves are hurting them and that's what has got so many people ready to tar and feather him.

Hmm, Caprica, that could be part of the anger directed toward Eric. I just don't understand why people who are upset with BB are taking it out on Eric. I'm with those who want to help him get to sequester or win the game. As far as the vote, the way I voted wasn't represented 2 out of 3 times, so I'm sure Eric must be getting mixed messages. It's impossible to do this with the TV viewers, because BB tells people who to like by the way they edit. They started out bashing Jen, so Eric thinks we hate Jen. If BB wanted to do this, they should have had sep. polls for TV viewers vs. Live Feed viewers for a truer comparison and they should NOT be editing the show in anyones favor, nor against anyone.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I have said from the start it would have been better if Eric was more like Mole and not eligible to win...I still like AP and hope he stays

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The other problem with this twist is that CBS isn't paying Eric enough to make it worth him giving up a chance at the 500k.

Also, another question I have is does his weekly stipend get deducted from the prize money? If it does, then it is even less worth his while financially to attempt to fulfill all of his tasks as AP.

Landslide305
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08-15-2005

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landslide305 a private message Print Post    
Based on last night's show, if I never watched the feeds or read message boards, my vote would be Jessica for him to pledge to take to the final 2 because that's the way they have edited it for us to vote.

I think the concept of AP was a good one, I just think it could have been incorporated better into the game. I wish it could have just given "us the viewers" a vote on our own without messing with the houseguests at all. Like let us be 50% of the vote or one week let us be HOH and take a vote on who to nominate for eviction. Another week, we could choose 2 people to put in a room together for 24 hours (if they were from opposite alliances, a lot could happen during that time). Give a random viewer 30 seconds to talk with a hg of their choice to discuss strategy. The possibilities are endless what they could have us do and it would be fun for the hgs.

Truly give us the power to participate.

I just feel the houseguests have enough of a time in there without the AP having to interfere.

Jushvnfn
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07-29-2006

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jushvnfn a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, Do we know for sure CBS isn't paying for his role as AP and separatly for being a houseguest?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think you have some fantastic ideas there Landslide.

To the best of my knowledge, CBS has said nothing about paying Eric anything beyond the usual stipend that all HGs receive and what he can win as America's Player and in the game in general. Eric's actions in the house seem to support that he is not being paid.

In order to remove any conflict of interest for Eric, CBS would have had to agree to pay him a flat amount, regardless of how long he stayed in the house. But it would still be a judgement call on Eric's part regarding how far to go to complete tasks vs. being eliminated earlier in the game.

Landslide305
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08-15-2005

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landslide305 a private message Print Post    
Why thank you, Jimmer! It would just be nice if CBS would think of these things instead of the viewers, LOL.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i have noticed those who want the ap gone have not answered this question:

anyway, why are people trying to ruin the fun for us who are enjoying the ap?}

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 06, 2007 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Because everyone's opinion on what is fun or what they want is different, Zmom. Some people think it is fun to watch Eric try to squirm his way out of things or they want him punished for not doing as much as they expect him to do.

I can't say for certain but I think there are other more likely reasons for people doing what they are doing than just deliberately ruining someone else's fun (though there may be a few who are doing it for that reason as well).

That's how the twist works. People can make what they want out of it.