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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 2: Who should they back door this week: Archive through July 16, 2007 users admin

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Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, Costa is correct. Joe was NOT the intended target. Backdooring is when the intended target is not the initial nom.

Remember Jase? THAT is the classic example of what backdooring is.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
there was more than one intended target in this case. That was my point.

joe WAS going to be up but they decided it would be better to backdoor him if either Dani or Dick got Vetoed.

i see your point, funny how no one sees mine. Maybe I just watch feeds too much so catch little snipppets that get missed elsewhere.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
If Daniele continues to win veto comps she will be backdoored eventually.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't say Joe is being backdoored because the noms weren't made with that intent. She should have backdoored Daniele, because she keeps winning the POV. If she had nommed Joe and Dick, with the intent of really putting up Daniele after the POV, that would be backdooring.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Joe is not being backdoored. His name was thrown out as a possible target, but so was 80% of the house. now when looking for a veto replacement, many names have been thrown out and maybe Joe will be the one going up

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
I'm with Pinniethewooh - I think Amber needs to go because I think she is emotionally drained and I think she is going to meltdown pretty quickly (could be wrong, but having personal experience in this area, maybe not). Joe can go, whether it's a "backdoor" or not. The boy, and I do mean boy, gets on my every last nerve every time I see him. He doesn't even have to open his mouth. That does make it worse, though.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, I see your point, either way the person she puts up if Dani uses the pov, has no chance of saving himself other than begging. May not be technically backdooring but same result no matter what it's called.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
yah let Amber go home to her daughter and not have to be sequestered

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
There is no backdooring in this case. The two original nominations were two people that Jen wanted to go. There are others, and since Dani will take herself off, the #3 choice will be nominated instead.

IF Jen had said she wanted Joe to be the ONE EVICTED, and she nominated Dani and Dick, Dani won POV and took herself off, and THEN Jen nominated Joe... that would've been a backdoor. Joe was never the intended target; he is, essentially, a substitute target.

Cricket is right... if Jen wanted to backdoor Dani, she should've nominated someone else. Someone who would've almost for sure either won the POV or had the POV thrown to them (another way to ensure a successful backdoor operation). Then the nominee/POV holder would remove him/herself, Dani would've been nominated, and therefore backdoored.

What's happening now, with Dani winning the POV is simply poor planning or bad luck. It's not even remotely backdooring. It's the chance Jen took when she put Danielle up (especially since Danielle had already won one POV comp).

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
I think that BB has tried to thwart the backdooring by no longer letting the nominees choose who will play POV with them...

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I think you are right, Bonbonlover, sucks for whoever doens't get the pov.

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
Think Costa is correct on this one. Just because someone goes on the block after someone comes off due to POV and is then evicted does not mean they were "backdoored". It has to be basically intended starting with eviction nominations. Think it would be more difficult to backdoor early in the game due to too many possibly being in POV competition and too many voting.

Hypermom
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08-13-2001

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
Joe was not the intended target. He was secondary. For a true back door, the person is the target, and they do not play for POV. Joe played POV. Zmom is correct, Jase was a true back door.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Jase was definitely the quintessential backdoor - and it was so good!!!!!!!!!

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
They should never count on backdooring again because there are too many elements that are not in their control. BB didn't like the hampsters controlling the game even a little.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I agree that this is different than a true "backdoor" nomination because of the INTENT. Nakomis worked out this strategy to get rid of Jase without giving him a chance to save himself in a competition and coined the phrase. That's why they callled it "backdoor"....they bum rushed Jase out without his having a chance to do anything about it. It was a secret plan.

Since the INTENT behind Joe going up is different than the original "backdooring" of Jase (because Joe wasn't the original target to be evicted without having a chance to save himself), it is different.

So we now have two choices:

1. We can use the term "backdoor" for anyone that winds up in place of an original nominee that was saved with the POV

OR

2. We can make up a new name for a nominee that replaces an original nominee (and who cannot save him or herself in a POV challenge).

Personally, I'd just as soon use the term "backdoor" for ANYONE that winds up in the hot seat after an original nominee is replaced due to the POV being used.

They can't actually use the original "backdoor strategy" anymore because they can no longer pick the players for the POV competition. It is no longer a true strategy because now it's just a random crap shoot as to who gets to play in the POV comp. It's now an uncontrollable risk to "backdoor" someone like it was originally done.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
I would qualify your new "backdoor" definition to exclude a replacement who played for the POV (like Jase in BB7). At least that player had a chance at avoiding the hot seat so they can't really complain that they had no control over their fate.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Spear, I don't think Jase played in that POV.

Nak nommed two HGs. At that time, the POV comp was only open to the nominees, the HOH, plus one player each that they got to choose.

The two original nominees (who were in on the plan) purposely did not pick Jase to play in the comp and neither did the HOH.

Jase was then put in the hot seat after the POV winner took one of the original nominees off the block. Jase was the original target and he never had a chance to save himself in the POV comp.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Yes, Jase's eviction in BB5 was the original backdoor.

I was talking about BB7 (All-Stars) when Chicken George won POV because he chose to go on slop for the remainder of his stay. Jase also competed in that POV. James chose Jase as replacement for George and Jase was evicted. Even with the new, relaxed definition of "backdoor", I think that case should still be excluded.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I see what you mean, Spear.

As I see it, "back door", as a strategy, no longer exists. It's no longer possible to use it as it was originally intended (when the strategy was first used to evict Jase and the word was first coined).

At best, it's a "hope" that very much depends on the random selection of who gets to play in the POV comp.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 3:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
But couldn't backdooring still be done even if the person you are targetting is picked in the random drawing to play pov?

For example, San Fran, you want me out of the house this week, but don't want me to win pov and take myself off. You nominate Spear and Denecee. If you're lucky, my name doesn't come up in the random drawing and you can get me out of the house. But if my name did come up, you'd still have a pretty good chance of getting me out of there. As long as you could trust the other four players, really all you and them would need to do is to not play for you to win, but play for me to lose. Unless it was a who's got the most freckles pov comp or unless I got very very lucky or was willing to shave my head, there'd be five players still trying to get me out of the house.

Even with that it'd still depend on the randomness of the draw for pov players and hoping that the comp isn't something involving luck. It might not go off the way the Jase backdoor went, but if they could trust the hoh, two nominees and the other player they might be able to pull off a slightly modified version of the backdoor we saw with Jase.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
thx for the History of the term.

well written- san fran.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"If you're lucky, my name doesn't come up in the random drawing and you can get me out of the house."

IF you're lucky....

"but if they could trust the hoh, two nominees and the other player they might be able to pull off"

IF they can trust....

"But couldn't backdooring still be done even if the person you are targetting is picked in the random drawing to play pov?"

IF the person you are targeting is picked....

To be an actual "backdoor plan", you could not nominate your target in your original noms and then you would just have to HOPE that ALL the rest of the "IFs" fall into place.

It's no more of a guarantee to get rid of someone that way (having to be successful with all the "IFs") than it would be if the HOH just nominates his main target to begin with.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Backdooring still could work if all of the POV competition players were in on the scam. So in my example above, if everyone knew that Dani was gonna be backdoored (she wasn't nominated), and everyone playing agreed to throw the POV competition to Jen, who then used her nom to remove Nick and put up Danielle... then Danielle would've been really and truly backdoored.

As Color mentioned above, at this stage of the game it is much more difficult to backdoor anyone. There are too many people. It's easier when there are fewer numbers with a majority willing to do what is necessary to backdoor the person. Including being put up as a pawn (two pawns, actually).

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
But, Costacat, the way I understand it is that there is no guarantee that Dani won't play for VETO says it is all random draw...so you can't have Dani agree NOT to try for VETO.