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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 7:43 pm
I am confused... what kmin is saying above.. that Eric voted for Carol because America wanted so? I thought he said America wanted Carol to go. Ooops, if he really said we picked Carol to stay then maybe they are taking us seriously...
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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 7:46 pm
Spunky, I'm just using the eviction vote as an example. IOW, will BB tell eric what we really voted, or will BB throw "those votes out" and tell Eric to do what BB wants, but SAY it's what America wants.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 7:50 pm
i dont believe for one min that Canada and the USA voted for the pretty quiet girl to go and the loud bawling one to stay. That goes against the 'usual'. the show hasnt been on yet here but I expect to see the Numbers. How many voted for carol, how many for amber. I dont believe Eric is being told our wishes. Kail for instance
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 7:53 pm
So some people think that not only did BB rig the HOH competition for Jen to win but that all of the HGs are willing participants in the HOH competition being rigged? Because that is the only way that it would have been possible isn't it because all the HGs would have to pre-arrange to answer the questions a certain way?
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 7:54 pm
I hope Dick doesnt get a lot of votes so BB will know lots like him. Hober (I think it was Hober lol) said BB will have her nom Dick/Dani and DIck will win veto and save Dani.....that sounds like a heart strings ratings grabber to me so we will have to see if Veto looks slanted towards Dick I just hope the one that goes up after will be the one gone
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Lilviking
Member
07-19-2005
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:05 pm
Why would all of the HGs have to answer questions a certain way, as long as Jen knew the correct answers including the fact that the tea cup was a trick question? It didn't matter what order the rest fell out of the comp as long as Jen had all the right answers to win.

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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:12 pm
lilviking...I think Jimmer's point is that the questions used were "instant poll" type questions. BB couldn't feed her the way the majority would vote, since they wouldn't know what the majority would vote until the actual live vote - unless ALL the HG's were in on the fix. Tho i suppose they could have told her, "IF you reach the final round, the teacup holds nine gallons." But then again, she said 41 - someone could have easily come in under her guess.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:12 pm
How could anyone know the right answers when the comp was majority rules? I didn't see the tea cup as a trick question at all. They asked specifially about the tea cup in the BY. That tea cup has an opening to get in and out, there for it can only hold as many gallons as it would take to start spilling out of the opening.
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Needmylifeback
Member
08-14-2000
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:18 pm
I was yelling at my TV .. there is a hole in the teacup people! .. LOL! .. I still thought it would hold more than 9 gallons .. I would have said 15 ... Then of course if it were Bottled water .. several 5 gallon bottles could sit on the seats .... 
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Grendelsmom
Member
07-31-2005
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:19 pm
I think they chose that question for the end, hoping Jen would still be there and banking on the fact that Jen would be the only one, uh, not perceptive enough to realize the teacup would hold probably a couple of hundred gallons of water (if it were closed). To me she seemed completely befuddled during the entire show, and especially toward the end.
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Pamplemousse
Member
09-28-2003
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:31 pm
I am really stretching here i know, but is it possible CT coached Jen to make a comment like that? To throw suspicion out in the house not to mention here on the boards?
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Lyn
Member
08-07-2002
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:31 pm
I said 10 on the teacup question...couldn't believe the other HGs didn't notice the doorway part. Jen! The only person I didn't want to win HOH more was Jessica
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Lilviking
Member
07-19-2005
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 8:35 pm
Kminfinity -thanks for the clarification! Somehow I missed the fact that the comp was based on "instant pole" answers; I thought they were based on answers the HGs had given prior to the show. Now that you point it out it seems obvious and I'm feeling a bit silly for not catching on sooner, but yay!.. My faith is restored and I can go back to enjoying the live feeds!!

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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 9:52 pm
Heh, when they did the teacup questions, my hubby and I both went into the hundreds. As soon as Julie revealed the answer as 9 gallons though, I realized my mistake and told hubby it was the doorway. He looked at me completely confused for a minute as I explained that anymore water than 9 gallons would pour out cuz of the doorway, lol. I'm with Jimmer on this one. For the game to have been rigged, all of the hg's would have had to have been in on it and agree to it which doesn't seem likely to me. BB could have fed Jen the answer to the tie breaker question, but they'd then have to hope it got to a tie breaker question and that someone else wouldn't have figured out they were asking literally how many gallons of water does the teacup hold. I think it was just a weird coincidence.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 5:19 am
Lots of strangeness this season with BB possibly tampering with the outcome. First the America's Player is being told who to vote for and who to try to get nominated. This part is actually cool if they are allowing fans to control him, and it's not just the producers telling him what to do. Many online bloggers seemed to have voted for Eric to vote for Amber, so it's weird that Carol was the announced choice. Before she was voted out, on the live feeds Carol claimed that she was told by BB in the diary room to fight to stay in as she was in the Top 3 of America's favorites in the CBS online poll. That of course goes against BB then telling Eric to vote for Carol...but it also goes against America choosing her if she really was in the Top 3. Perhaps Carol was just lying about BB telling her that. But here's where it gets interesting, the conversation Jen was having where she said she "thinks she already won the next HOH" that was posted on this site. Now, the HOH last night seemed to be based on the majority of answers the HGs were asked and their "spur of the moment" replies. The last question, however, Jen easily could have been coached to guess low. It is odd that 12 hours before she actually won HOH, Jen was telling someone that she already had done so. Maybe she was making up the part of BB telling her answers and asking her about Carol too, but it is interesting in that she did win. BB was showing all her bizarre actions, such as crying over the photo and the lying about Nick kissing her, so why would they then cheat to have her win after having made her look so badly? Lots of questions.
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Dedonjo
Member
08-20-2006
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 12:46 pm
Ratings. Producers think she is generating the most interest and conversation, like her or dislike her. I think it's pretty blatant tampering by BB, not even subtle. Has this article been posted here yet, I'm copying from Joker's: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07132007/tv/oh__brother__tv_michael_starr.htm New York Post SELF-INVOLVED JEN THE ONE TO WATCH ON 'BB8' By MICHAEL STARR July 13, 2007 -- AFTER only a week into "Big Brother 8," the CBS reality show already has its resident wacko: Jen Johnson, the self-involved Beverly Hills nanny. Jen's hysterical meltdown on last Sunday's show - she launched into a histrionic crying jag over the way she looked in a photo - already has show observers and fans alike buzzing. This girl's got some serious issues. "At this point she has really polarized the ['Big Brother'] house," says "Big Brother" executive producer Allison Grodner. "She doesn't seem to have any care about how she comes off to people or any awareness of that," Grodner says of Jen. "When she covered her photo [during the aforementioned crying jag] with an oven mitt we thought she was joking, but she was showing her true colors. "What she cares most about is Jen. It's all about Jen," Grodner says. "She's fascinating to watch that way." Grodner and her "BB 8" cohorts are loving this, of course - any reality show worth its salt needs at least one outrageous cast member to spark viewer interest. "You want people in the house that [viewers] are going to talk about it," Grodner says. And with the "Big Brother" contestants sharing a house in a controlled environment - isolated from the outside world and tracked by cameras 24/7 - the fireworks are bound to explode. And that seems to be what's been happening with Jen - the only female houseguest who changes into three different bikinis each day. "A lot of people probably don't like Jen. She's full of herself and self-centered," Grodner says. "There's something going on there and she seems to be at the center of every ['Big Brother 8'] controversy. "However, she's not a dumb person - she's very smart, but she's so narcissistic that it gets in the way," Grodner says. "She just doesn't get that everyone else in the house doesn't like her. "She honestly thinks that she's fine - and that everyone loves her." Jen's behavior has certainly struck a nerve for "BB 8" fans - who've deluged the show's site with negative and positive reactions to her. Here's a random sampling: * From aribabe14: "I don't want her to go yet because I think it would be boring without her!" * From Kalieope: "She obviously has some serious issues. I'd hate to see the meltdown she might have if she gained a pound." * And this from canadianbb: "If she's smart she has a funny way of showing it considering the other house guests are already sick of her - and it's week one."
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Biginjapan
Member
07-23-2005
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 1:51 pm
So Jen is Big Brothers Sanjaya!!!
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Dedonjo
Member
08-20-2006
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 2:15 pm
LOL I kind of liked and enjoyed Sanjaya - singing issues aside, he was cute, personable, and fun to watch... but, Jen??? Not...seems like they could have showcased... I don't know, there must be someone else they could have picked, if that's what they feel they need to do!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 3:33 pm
RE: Carol. It's entirely possible that Carol was one of the top 3 favs based on the CBS polls. I don't know if they are running the polls again this year, but they usually do ask you to rank the players. As far as the bloggers seeming to mostly vote for Amber, you have to remember... there is a LARGE group of people out there who watch the show, who will vote for something, but don't belong to any site where they talk about what they did. Just as there is a large group of people who watch only the TV shows, and not the live feeds. And to the quote:"However, she's not a dumb person - she's very smart, but she's so narcissistic that it gets in the way," Grodner says. "She just doesn't get that everyone else in the house doesn't like her. "She honestly thinks that she's fine - and that everyone loves her."
OK, so I'm sitting here laughing my butt off... so narcissistic that she doesn't get that everyone else doesn't like her!! HAHAHAHA! OMG, that about sums it up.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 3:36 pm
I think When Jen goes to the DR it's to talk to Will or boogie.. If not it soon will be - will is gonna show up to tell her to stop playing emotionally.
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Kimmy_1
Member
05-12-2004
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 6:08 pm
I have no clue if this was posted elsewhere, but it definately needs to go in here too!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-UxauU0ZyM It's of Kail being coached by BB in the diary room.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 6:20 pm
I never thought of that as influencing the game. BB just calls them in to narrate the scenes they will be using for tv. It's nicer for us to hear their voices than some announcer.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, July 13, 2007 - 6:27 pm
she's very smart, but she's so narcissistic gee Can we all say Dr Will? he was like that BB2 and a slightly more toned down version BB7. Jen is just echoing their techniques and frankly even uses some of the classic 'dr will' lines when she is talking to the HGs. BB influences the game with Eric and JEN. they recruited her knowing her background. it isnt a fluke
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 8:57 pm
Naja, maybe that clip was more of them helping her say what went down and how she felt about it, but there is no way that BB hasn't let certain things slip. They are just human and want their show to survive. Thing is, for me, it is a turn off big time for them to continue with the whole chill town connection. Like I said in another thread, I just as well would enoy reading your posts more than watching the show.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 4:38 pm
Bump...
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Steviegirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 4:33 pm
I didn't see a conspiracy theory thread yet, if there's already one, I apologize! Anyway . . . my theory is that BB tells the HG's to flip flop. Because how boring would it be if they were set to evict one person, and that was it. Just like last week, all of a sudden we were sure that Amber was going. The HG's went around saying they're changing their vote. Yet once again it was almost unanimous. Now this week, we were sure Joe was going. Now it's the day before voting and now there's whispering that their vote is changing. I REALLY think they're being encouraged to do some flip-flopping to keep us on our toes. Just like during the show they'll show footage that makes you think one person is going, but then the other one goes. Ya know?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 4:54 pm
It's a good theory Steviegirl! BB may not even specifically tell them to flip flop but they may encourage it through DR conversations.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 5:28 pm
may encourage it is an understatement. thru the yrs quite a few HGs have said that the DR makes them question their alliances and who is telling the truth.
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2addicted
Member
07-17-2006
| Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 5:59 pm
Influencing the game through suggestions in the DR does not bother me. They would be crazy not to do that (and I believe that other reality shows do the same thing) I'm not a fan of tailoring comps to one person's strengths, but I accept it (and again think it's normal MO) Actually cheating by providing answers to questions would totally p$$ me off and would (come close at least to) ruin the show for me. I don't think it's gotten that far. At least I hope not. Summer is always a difficult time of year for me (business-wise) and this summer I'm also dealing with personal hardships and BB (and TVCH) have (for 8 years !) been a perfect, stress-relieving savior. Sorry to sound sappy, but I'm kind of feeling that way tonight and want to thank every poster here (many) who has made me smile. But back to the point-- Don't really cheat BB. I promise it's interesting enough.
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Dedonjo
Member
08-20-2006
| Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 5:26 pm
I think some of the flip-flopping has to do with people trying to ascertain whether they are in the majority or minority, and changing their vote to be with what they perceive as the majority, for fear that voting against the rest of the house may result in drawing unwanted negative attention and a target to themselves.
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