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Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I've watched most of the youtubes. I've read stuff.

I have to say. This day looks like a horrible day for Dick's game and will affect his standing in the house.

I am not Dick's biggest fan but I sure was uncomfortable watching some of the interactions that occurred today.

the reason I started this thread is to discuss whether going onto BigBrother will be considered a good thing when Dick thinks back on the experience....or will he regret the decision?

It strikes me that the damage (possibly embarrassment) between Dick and Daniele could be irreversible when things have happened under the piercing eyes of the Cameras.

Will Dick and Daniele be able to watch the tapes with open minds and be able to see their imperfections?

I'm tired so I'll leave my comments as is.

all, I know is I missed almost all day and I'm not convinced that Dick may have just ended his sailing thru to the sequester house.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
mind you, I just watched another youtube and remembered when Dani and Dick were in private and she wanted him to start stuff up in the house.

Dani has a tight smirk in the youtube I just watched and I wonder if Dick's calling out people is something to guarantee Dani sympathy in the game.??

Cutefemgirl
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07-12-2007

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 7:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cutefemgirl a private message Print Post    
I also remember about a week or so ago them talking about staging a "fight" in front of everyone in the house. But this really looked genuine ... could it have started off that way, and the ghosts of their relationship came out of the closet? I like Dick - but he came at just about everyone yesterday, and I'm worried about his standing in the house now ... people are going to find him very intimidating (as Dani said).

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
The tv show editors are trying hard to show a gentle Dick who is trying to win his daughter back. How could they ignore his outbursts during a whole day just to stick with their representation of Dick? They better change their editing to give viewers a balanced Dick... the good, the bad... and the ugly.

Hamsteraddict
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06-28-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hamsteraddict a private message Print Post    
While I agree that Dick's shooting his mouth off is working to his detriment, I can't help but notice that Danielle only sees things in "black and white." It's her way or no way. Her infatuation with Nick has "neutralized" her as a player. Why did she even apply to be in the house? She has no game left ... it's all about what Nick thinks.

"I just came for the experience."

This season may end up with another version of "The Friendship" from BB6. The "friends" banding together in their "feel-good" atmosphere. I can't wait to see Amber's crying jag when they have to start cannibalizing each other.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i would prefer dick as a friend rather then danielle.

at least with dick i knew where i stood. dick wont say anything behind you back that he wouldn't say to your face. not so with danielle.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
wow.... "cannibalizing" each other... I knew there was a word out there to describe what will go on in that house soon... it's dead on...

Hamsteraddict
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06-28-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hamsteraddict a private message Print Post    
I agree, Zachsmom.

It's easy to see why Dick and Danielle have so many personal issues. They're like oil and water.

I real life, he's trying to resolve issues and she's not trying at all. In the BB game, he's playing too hard, and she's not playing at all. She may have intended to originally, but Nick has squashed that.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
nick and amber both need to go.

Oddsygirl
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07-11-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oddsygirl a private message Print Post    
I think that the fight was actually real between Dani and Dick. In some ways, it reminded me of my own rocky relationship with my father. But I have to say that I was impressed when Dick walked up to Dani, when she was alone, to tell her that when the BB thing is over, if she wants to try and work on being able to communicate better, he is all for going to family councilling with her.

I truly think that Dick does want a better relationship with his daughter, but he does not understand how to listen and talk to Dani.

Hamsteraddict
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06-28-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hamsteraddict a private message Print Post    
.... and she doesn't know how to listen and talk to him.

Oddsygirl
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07-11-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oddsygirl a private message Print Post    
Very True, Hamster

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
well, a girl who won't talk to her brother for 6+ months because he refused to loan her his nintendo 64 games can be that petty, i really wonder what the falling out from her father was all about. he's tried for 2 years to talk to her. i think it's more about having power over him. she controls the relationship not him. that is not very loving imho.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Sadly I think Dick will end up leaving and things will not be resolved between him and Daniele! In the game of BB it was almost a given that it couldn't happen, because BB is all about lies, sabotage, and back stabbing. Like Amber and Dustin both saying they don't repeat things ! And the whole Nick thing, Daniele went to Dick to talk and would listen as long as it was what she wanted to hear! Dick is an in your face person and it will cost him. ANd I'm sure he will hear or see the things Daniele has said as they all will see the things about themselves. Not exactly going to help mend fences.

Oddsygirl
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07-11-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oddsygirl a private message Print Post    
I don't think that they are going to be able to mend fences in the house. I actually agree, that it is near impossible for anyone to form a healthy relationship in the environment. But I was happy to see Dick agree to get some family councilling after this is done.

Ecoop
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07-07-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ecoop a private message Print Post    
My sympathies lie somewhat with Dani. How can a father make up for a lifetime of neglect? Yes, she is very antagonistic toward Dick, but I think she is not willing to risk her heart. From her standpoint, Dick is now trying to interfere in her life after years of not being there. I'd probably resent that, too. In addition, he is not listening to her when she tells him about how is behavior is affecting the household.

Oddsygirl
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07-11-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oddsygirl a private message Print Post    
My sympathies lie with Dani, as well. I can understand where she is coming from. My father was not around most of my growing up years. We struggled with the ability to communicate for years, but my father would have never suggested, let alone agree to family councilling. That alone, showed me that Dick truly wants a relationship with his daughter.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
ecoop, where has he ever neglected her? her mother took off leaving him with 2 children to support. he could not do it on his own as he was a bartender and having 2 children under the age of three and in diapers he just could not do it. he asked his parents for support and did not realize what he was giving away when he signed parental rights over to his parents.

if anything, he did the right thing by letting his parents raise them. he was never out of their lives. for 1 year he lived in europe and another he lived in hawaii. he always lived close and saw the kids every chance he got. his parents prevented him from seeing the kids. not him.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
also, from what i understand their relationship was strained because in one of their arguments he made a comment about danielle acting like a b***ch like her mother. he has tried for 2 years for them to talk about it.

it's all about power for her. this one aspect of her life that she has power over something in her life.

one day when he is gone she is going to really miss her dad.

no matter how mad i have ever been at one of my parents when they say 'i love you' i said it back. i may not have liked my parents for many reasons, but i always loved them. i think her not saying it back is mean and selfish of her. power trip and hurtful.

Swannanoa
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07-09-2007

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Swannanoa a private message Print Post    
I think Dick has said something about it all started with Dani borrowing money from him two years ago and not paying it back. Ok, I can almost understand that, but not really. If that is the crux of the problem, maybe he should have backed off.

We don't loan our children money. If they need help and we're able to do so, we will do it and not expect repayment from them. My father was the same way. However I had paid my father back before he passed away and our children have paid us back when they are able. We're not going to let money interfere in our relationship with our children.

I think the BB house is not the right place to even try to work this relationship out. I don't think Dani has much respect for her father and I think that's just plain pathetic. I think Dick lowers himself by arguing with her in the first place because then she can say "See, that's how he is". Frankly I shove that aside and tell her I won't discuss the personal relationship or lack thereof in that house.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Working in Danielle and Dicks favor is the fact that they both have admitted seperately that they realize whats going on right now is not real life. So if they do decide to get counciling anything that they are saying to one another right now will be seen as magnified by a game of paranoia and lies. So I'm pretty sure the problems they are currently having in the house will find a resolve.

All of their other personal issues will be a process of accepting the past and moving forward. Because at the end of the day the reality is you can talk and talk about the past but it will never change what happened. You've got to let it go to move forward.

We are never going to know the complete history of that family. It's none of our business. However, we do have a "little" insight to a few things.

Danielle talks about Dick being like a mean best friend and how verbally agressive he was to them as children. Yet what she never mentions is what happened prior to those verbal blowups. How much did she attribute to pushing her father to get him all riled up? How much did Dick allow before he finally got to the blowing point? Kids are brilliant in knowing what will push their parents buttons to get them to that ranting level. I'm not saying Dick shouldn't check himself and fall for the bait that his kids may have laid out there but I am saying we are never going to know the complete history.

To Dicks credit he can't be defined as a dead beat father. A father that probably marched to a different beat would be more like it. It's obvious that through all of the verbal confrontations he had with his kids he did love his daughter enough to realize that the best choice to salvage what little relationship they had was to hand her over to a female ( her grandmother) who might understand her better.

Dicks not an idiot. I'm sure he realized that in making the choice to "give her up" he would be considered a lousy father by some and you can bet the daughter would emotionally manipulate him for years by saying... "you gave me up" when the truth was he thought it was best for her and she will never understand how hard that choice was. He was willing to take that label on as well. In this case he might have been making the right choice. Perhaps he could have bridged the gap between "cool dad" and responsible father a bit more but woulda shoulda still won't change what has happened. I suppose hearing him say something like that "might" appease her but if he goes there then she needs to open up and admit there were things she could have done different as well.

Danielle will eventually grow up and when she finally does there may be things that she will see on her part that attributed to the problems. The one thing I can already see is that even though she complains about his verbal agression she was never so frightened by it that she couldn't get in a few shots herself. I'm positive Dick see's his faults and wants to resolve them. She isn't there yet. It would be ironic if her biggest problem is that when she measures her unique childhood against a more traditional one she secretly desired the more traditional one. She'll get it eventually, but going back to what I said earlier... No matter how much of the past is brought up in the end they both have to let it go and move forward. I get the impression his son gets that. This house was not the best place to begin the healing process and thats all I'm sayin about their relationship.

Ecoop
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07-07-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ecoop a private message Print Post    
Zachsmom, all I am saying is I "think" this is Dani's perception. Besides, that is Dick's story; how do we know that is the complete truth? Maybe there was a valid reason why his mother wouldn't let Dani and Vincent go to live with Dick when he was in Europe. The reality is that he was not a part of her day-to-day life for whatever reason. Dani went to talk to Dick about how his behavior is affecting others in the house and he turned it around to something personal, AGAIN. That is why I said my sympathies lie with Dani. Just sayin'.

Doublethink
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08-23-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Doublethink a private message Print Post    
Zachsmom - I don't say I love you back to my mother, and I have tons of legitimate reasons for not doing that. We will never know the whole story of the D&D relationship. I really dislike that this season has become the D&D story. And I'm very much a cynic, I think a lot of this drama is scripted. Did Dick suggest family counseling before or after his diary session?

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Swann I honestly think the money issue was the straw that broke the camels back. As I mentioned above there is no doubt she knows how to work her father and when the money situation became another sore situation for them she reverted back to throwing EVERYTHING back in his face. Seeing her as a young adult he may have decided this time around he wasn't going to let her go that avenue any further because it really is a childs game. When all else fails go back to the past to add fuel to the fire. When she is ready to grow up and willing to stop throwing up the past they will find a resolve and my guess is suddenly the money situation won't be the real issue. Just a catalyst.

Lyn
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08-07-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lyn a private message Print Post    
There are too many variables we don't know to make a judgement on who's fault it is. (And probably a lot of outside interference aka grandparents). Unless you're Dani and Dick, you don't know the whole story so finger pointing is useless