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Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
This is why I watch... Bravo to a certain BB producer for properly following the Danny/Dick late-night crying scene in the hammock that was televised on tonight's (Sunday 7/22/07) episode.

The daughter expressing her confusion about her boyfriend and her house-crush and the father giving her advice.

As far as I am concerned, it was real, poignant and relevant. That scene alone told me more about these 2 people than all the other scenes together.

This is why I watch.

The advice he gave her was good. It shows that he has insight into the human condition. And the scenes that followed framed up the situation very well. "What hurts her hurts me." Dick says.

This is why I watch.

I watch to see the human condition exposed. Not for the trite fights and food comps and mindless stories.

This was the REAL STUFF. This was the brief glimpse into their souls.

We don't get enough of it, but it is why I watch.

Lins
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09-20-2005

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lins a private message Print Post    
Tobor, me too. I don't watch for food comps or shopping sprees etc. You stated it very well.

Stopjustwatchin
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08-19-2005

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopjustwatchin a private message Print Post    
Very well said, Tobor. It was definitely a very emotional segment and well put together by the producers (including the DRs spliced in).

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
I give them credit for SEEING that it was a valuable story line to follow and tell.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I can't wait to see it here on the West Coast. I agree that we don't see enough of the real hgs. I hate the showmances and the competitions except hoh and pov. The drama and mindless stories are annoying as well.

I don't mind the schemeing and allience stuff, but I would really like these people to get to know each other a couple of weeks before they start chewing each other up. I'd like Some real conversations that are so intense that they don't realize the cameras are on. We rarely get to see the true player because this game isn't set up for truth, it's set up for deception.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
His advice to her was interesting.

He never told her what to do.

But the "actionable" part of the advice was that someone would get hurt and it would be because of her.

The implied part was...

Anyone catch it?

Stopjustwatchin
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08-19-2005

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopjustwatchin a private message Print Post    
My feeling was the implied part was that if she continues to flirt with Nick, she'll lose her relationship with her boyfriend. If she allows Nick to continue, she'll end up hurting him when one of them leaves the house.

That's what I took from it. The only other possible implication was that SHE would be the one getting hurt in the end.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I felt like he was trying to tell her what goes on in this house isn't real, only she won't realize it until she's out. Luckily he didn't say it bluntly like that, or it would have been a mess...LOL

Alliet
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07-11-2005

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alliet a private message Print Post    
The editing this season is worse than on the last season. Sob story not followed by ED's blurting all the details his daughter asked him NOT to tell the others about. Making ED look so noble and good and Kail (who is NO SAINT) look like the bad guy

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
I think that scene stands on its own.

Doublethink
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08-23-2006

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Doublethink a private message Print Post    
I know I'm in the minority on this board, but I really don't enjoy the family drama. If I wanted to see that, I'd watch Dr. Phil. I actually changed the channel as they segued to Dick crying in the diary. Too scripted for me - sorry.

Betzee4
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06-23-2006

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Betzee4 a private message Print Post    
The best part was when he said "Daniele, I love you"...he finally got it out, and she got to hear it.

Swimsuit_model
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07-27-2005

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 9:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Swimsuit_model a private message Print Post    
It was a touching moment...

STILL:

I think it's bizarre for producers to put two people in such a personal, personal family situation together for basically an entertainment experiment... I don't think either one of them should be here in the first place. I think they both should have said, F you to the producers, walked off, and said, you've gone too far. But I don't know what to think of these two... something so personal is being aired in front of millions, and they maintain this obvious desire and willingness to be on a television show. If this is "SO DIFFICULT and AWKWARD" for the both of them, so they claim constantly like a broken record in their confessionals, I'm dying to know who is staying on the show for the sake of being on a television show and who is staying to mend a relationship, because I can not IMAGINE staying if i were in that situation with my dad, no way... Nevertheless, I do want to see the happy ending.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 9:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
it broke my heart when she didnt say love you back.

and cut to tonite........total different scene with those 2 lol

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Tobor,

watch the same scene on youtube and you are left with a bitter taste in your mouth... the tv show made it all nice and dandy, it was okay for tv, I thought of the viewers just like you who would be so touched...
But I was waiting for that 'trueness' on youtube but it never came on tv... and that's towards the end of the convo.. before the so many 'okay, okay'... Daniele, after another try by her father to tell her how much he loves her and to understand him, blah, blah... she tells him something like that.. 'stop now because you'll keep going in circles'... and then all those 'okays' followed and the clip ends. that blew me off, Jen was right... "such an inconsiderate daugther"!!
Wow.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 9:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I wish he had told her that past HGs created the word "showmance" for a reason.

I wish Dick had said - You're in this strange isolated environment, cut off from your entire support system and it's just human nature to want to fill that void. Finding comfort and getting attention inside the house, especially from someone you really like may feel great.....but in the end, BB "showmances" have never worked out. You may see things very differently once you are no longer isolated from those you love. You have nothing to lose if you just "wait and see".

I think Dick should've suggested that she tell Nick that she wants a little bit more space because of her boyfriend situation. They could still talk and get to know one another and hang out, but they should put the romance aspect on hold and just wait till after the show.

Oh yeah...I really like Nick and I do think he's decent guy. That being said, her personal issues about her romance with Nick isn't really about Nick at all.....it's about her apparently successful three year relationship outside the house.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 10:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i thought it was falsely edited. Dani was blubbering for a short while and they milked it out to look like she was crying intensely while Dick conforted her.

I also noticed they removed her Irritated voice telling him that he didnt understand and wasnt getting what she was telling him.

yep, edited very well to give a positive outlook on Dick.

Fieryfurnace
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07-05-2006

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 10:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fieryfurnace a private message Print Post    
I fast forwarded through it. I find teen-angst boring.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 11:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne,
exactly, the whole clip is on you tube... and that' Stop now because you'll go in circles' by Daniele just before they ended the convo with the 'okay' would have defeated the purpose of BB editing.. but it would have given tv viewers a glimpse of what really goes on between these two...
meaning, he's trying to get her back but she sees how futile that effort is.. maybe because it comes just too late... or maybe because the persistent rejection of her father is hiding a more serious past problem...

where that psych armchair thread..

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Dick is the producers pick. His edits will continue to make him look good until that is no longer possible.This father daughter twist is too squishy for me.The other HGs may as well not even be there,they are supporting roles in the D&D soap opera.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 5:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
Tobor7

The implied part was....It's your choice.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 5:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
You are correct Boberg.

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 5:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
Right, what Boberg said.

It's your choice and YOU (Danielle) are responsible for your actions. That's something I think Danielle has yet to learn, responsibility.

ETA--I very much agree about the editing. They made it look a whole lot more loving than it was. Danielle uses her dad when it's convenient for her and then trashes him when she doesn't want a parent.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 7:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Dick said it all when he said that their communication was terrible.

The whole conversation was very uncomfortable. They didn't make eye contact most of the time and he either didn't know what to say, or was walking on eggshells, afraid that he'd say something that would "be taken down and held against him."

She vented a bit, but when he tried to question her about why she didn't tell Nick about not being open, she just said, "because." What do you say to that?

I felt these were two people who desperately want a relatioship, but neither knows how to bridge the gap between them.

There is so much he could have said, but didn't, and she really didn't seem to want to open up to him, either.

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
Nice observation Puzzled.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 7:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Tobor. I find them fascinating in a sad way.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I don't think they will resolve the problems until they can talk about and resolve the past hurts between them. It does seem that Dani carries a lot of anger toward her dad, and we don't really know what brought that about. But every conversation they have will continue to be tainted by that anger until it's resolved. Dick doesn't seem to have any such anger toward her, but he does sense it is there, and trying to work on the current issue (re Nick) isn't going to work well since the underlying issues sneak through in emotion, no matter what they are talking about.

They really do belong in counseling, and not on an isolated TV show. But maybe this will be the bridge to working on that relationship, or maybe it will make things worse. It's impossible to predict, I think.

Lakecat
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10-01-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lakecat a private message Print Post    
Im thinking the producers are coaxing Dani to hold off on her love,acceptance and affection for her Dad so that the producers can bring them together at the end- with hugs and a "I love you" and a "I love you too Daddy" happy ending.The BBAS show did not give us the happy ending we the viewers so craved last year with Janelle and Will so I think they learned from thier disgruntled viewers.

Tracy
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07-16-2007

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tracy a private message Print Post    
I was very touched by that scene and I think that something good happened between those two. I also think that Danielle knows that her Dad is on her side even with all the fighting between them.

Annatopia
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07-19-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Annatopia a private message Print Post    
first comment on the season here...

dani and nick remind me of me and my father. having been there done that, i think karuna's comment is spot on.

i hope when this is all over, ED and dani can get the help they need. they obviously have a complicated relationship filled with passionate emotions. good luck to them.

as an aside, it sure as heck made fascinating television. that scene, as tobor observed, was gold.

Bearware
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07-12-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bearware a private message Print Post    
I guess I watch for a couple of reasons. One is the human development of personalities and issues. Another is the unpredictableness (is that a word?) of human behavior. This is definitely fitting those niches.

And, I'll have to admit, if I'm being honest - I also watch for the drama, and boy is there enough of that this year!

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
So I just finished watching the last cry-fest hour between Dick and Daughter on Showtime.

It was compelling. It was real. When it was over and they cut to some bullcrap that the people were talking about in the other room... it was only too clear.

Most of what these people talk about is crap. Boring crap.

Makes you think about how much of your own chatter on a daily basis is crap.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 12:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Tobor7, my goal is talk just crap. Life is too short and there is so much crap that needs to be said..lol

Donut
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07-31-2001

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 1:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Donut a private message Print Post    
tonite on showtime was really something. Finally, they hugged. It was pretty amazing and I hope it starts them in a good direction. It bothers me that this is what gets put on TV, but yet I think that BB might end up mending a relationship sooner that real life could have. So that's good. Dick just has to figure out how to stop talking and talking a talking!