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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 2: Dick Hellish Day: Archive through July 23, 2007 users admin

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Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Lurkin, when I read your post about how he dresses and his tattoo's it brought me back about 6 yrs ago my Grand Daughters other Grand Mom told her that I don't dress like a grand Mom! Okay I happen to favor T shirts and sweats etc not house coats LOL. I have a guardian angel tattoo on my arm for person reasons, and until my grand daughter grew taller and bigger than me she would use my clothes LOL. Any way My answer to her was I didn't know anyone wrote the rules on how Grand Parents should dress!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
First of all "pot" has never been proven to be addictive.

no one here said it was. But Is cocaine addictive? Acid? Shrooms? I forget the list, he was talking so fast I couldnt transcribe it all.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
But I think a parent should put the child's needs above their own.

I agree and honestly, that is one of the hardest parts of all this for me. Neither one of their parents seemed to do that or own up to their responsibilities. I don't by any means support Dick's decision to let someone else raise his children for him. If I implied that, it wasn't my intention at all.

As hard as it is for me to understand Dick doing that, it is even harder when it comes to their mother. I don't get it or how she could leave her children with a father like Dick, only to have three more children thereafter. Perhaps that's because I am a mother myself and cannot imagine life without my little ones.

Ughhh...compassion. It's so hard thinking about what some children go through, isn't it?!?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
But I think a parent should put the child's needs above their own.

I think it is a mistake to make "sacrifices" for your children. I do lots for my kids because I want to - not because I feel I have to. If I felt that way, I wouldn't have had them.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
You absolutely missed my point, Sunshyne. My point was how a person looks makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE as to what that person is like.

My point, again... I do not judge a person, or his parenting abilities, on what he wears or what he looks like.

Period.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
None of the drug mentioned are addictive unless they are misused on a regular bases. Do I approve of drug use, NO, but to assume there is an addiction has not been proven.

It is hard for me as well to understand how a mother and father can leave their kids for any reason, but it happens and sometimes if you are not together it's better for the kids. How do we know that the reason he left them was that he was too screwed up to be a good parent..let's give a little credit to these people.

For all I know he could have been the meanest on the face of the earth to his kids. He may have been a completly f'd up drug user. I DON'T KNOW THAT THOUGH, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt based on how he reacts to his child.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I don't get it or how she could leave her children

drugs! alcohol. It isnt rare.

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No i did not miss your point. You judge people based on OTHER things, not what they wear/appearance.

and I said, it is human nature to judge/make decisions based on what we 'observe'.

thx for clarifying your post

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
None of the drug mentioned are addictive unless they are misused

wow, not from the Medical info I was taught.

Cocaine is Instantly addictive. It immediately makes changes to the brain which causes an urge to do it again.

Heroin is amazingly addictive. Many medical drugs are also addictive, not by misuse...it is the NATURE of the medication and how our body responds to it.

It is about Body Response, not whether we mentally want to do it.

Dick is responding similar to a good friend of mine who would rage because she wasnt smoking her depressive (Pot)

Pot kept her calm.

She was selfmedicating.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
My issue with Dick in regard to his and Danielle's relationship is not based on anything outside the house at all.

I just can't stand the way he obsessively tries to force her into a "discussion" that she knows will end in his berating her for not admitting she is wrong.

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Dick has taught his daughter to be tolerant of others differences, and obviously he loves her and she knows it. If she were paying attention she would learn from him how to stand up for yourself and how say you are sorry when you are wrong. Those are not the signs of a BAD PARENT to me. He had a temper tantrum yesterday..Any "good parent" here never had a tantrum, that you were sorry for later? I know I have, many, many times.

Ahhhhh yes, I have regrets for sure!!! I agree that he loves her and is making efforts to right a wrong between them. IMO, better late than never. Some people learn from their parent's mistakes and some choose to use them as an excuse to repeat them. It's up to Dani which she chooses :-). I personally think she tries very hard not to be like him when it comes to dealing with controversial issues and that's a good thing. Unfortunately, empathy is not something we can teach as parents. I really believe Dani will come around and accept her dad the way he is eventually. I still don't think the BB house was good for either one of them and it was a bad decision from the start. It is what is though...

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
None of those work the same way on ALL people..that is a generalization.

Maybe your friend should trade in her pot for something much more healthy like Prozac, or Paxil, the drug companies way to make a profit that they haven't been able to yet from cannibus.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I don't think that Danielle's conflict with Dick has anything to do with how he looks or dresses or where he works or anything like that....I think it's based on how her treats her.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Just a clarification - there is good evidence that true empathy must be *learned* (much like language) at a very early age, or it is very difficult to ever learn it. Certainly, once learned, someone can put it aside when anger and other baggage gets in the way.

Also, I think Dani knows, no matter how she acts, that her dad 'has her back' in the game. She even said it early on, that he is the one person she is sure she can trust. In spite of all their differences, in spite of whatever else goes again, she does know that he loves her.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
As for addiction, the science of addiction still doesn't know more than it knows, but it's pretty clear that all of those substances can be addictive. Much of it depends on the emotional state of the user, and their genetic sensitivity to addiction.

Even food is addictive to some people.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Thank you Karuuna that is true.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Maybe your friend should trade in her pot for something much more healthy like Prozac, or Paxil,

too many sideeffects LOL

As if her liquidy Potcough isnt a sideeffect! LOL

((good post to clarify issue Karuuna.))

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Just a clarification - there is good evidence that true empathy must be *learned* (much like language) at a very early age, or it is very difficult to ever learn it. Certainly, once learned, someone can put it aside when anger and other baggage gets in the way.

Thank you for the clarification and I agree. The best we can do as parents is set an example and hope our children learn from it. One of the things I try to do with my children is ask questions like "how would you feel if that happened to you." I try to get them to look at things from the other persons prospective. Some times asking questions like that, forces them to think about how the other person feels. I believe empathy is not quite as easily taught as it is shown.

Kalekona
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06-12-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kalekona a private message Print Post    
You know, I dont think anyone would say Dick (or any other addicted parent) is neccessarily uncaring.

Sunshine Vincent has said his father NEVER had a drug problem.

Using drugs dose not mean you are addicted to them.
Dick is 44 it was uncommon for someone NOT to have tried or used drugs when he was younger.
And i have adult friends who hold down good jobs who still smoke pot. No different than the cocktail after work.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I like Dick and Daniele both.

I think Dick is a flawed parent, and he knows it. He doesn't try to act like the perfect parent, he definitely has no clue on how to handle his relationship with his daughter and he is making lots of mistakes in his efforts.

But Dick is just being himself and doing what he thinks he has to keep the lines of communications open between himself and Daniele. He cannot see what everyone else does... He is doing the best he can with what he has... and that's all any of us can do.

I feel for him. I see his efforts, I feel his frustration with his failures...but I also see a good side to Dick. He is true to himself, he doesn't blow smoke up people's behinds, and the man REALLY TRIES....and not being the perfect parent myself, I cannot fault him for that.

I think the reason Dani doesn't want to ever discuss her relationship with Dick is that she knows that Dick isn't the only one at fault over their estrangement and is subconciously not ready to accept responsibility for her part in the issues between herself and Dick.

Hopefully someday Dani will be able to forgive Dick for not being the perfect parent and accept responsibility for her own part in their separation. Hopefully Dick will also grow and learn from his failures and they both can accept each other in spite of all their faults...

Swimsuit_model
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07-27-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Swimsuit_model a private message Print Post    
Dick reminds me soooooo much of my dad... a person that means well, but everything just comes out bad, horrible, terrible, disgusting, repulsive--but they really mean well!

I want to believe that he is not a horrible monster... they both won't talk about the straw that broke the camel's back that lead to this estrangement, but when Dick and Daniele had their fight, Dick was like, "you brought it up. Do you want me to remind you how it started?" And Daniele is the one who was basically like, drop it, and she left. Didn't want to go there. It just makes me think she would be more embarassed for the dirty laundry to air, as if she herself feels there's more shame on her part.

But at the same time, I don't want to jump to conclusions. That is why it is wrong of BB to have two people in such a situation in an environment like this. I HATE that I am watching this. I am even mad at myself that I would even entertain the idea of who probably wronged who. I hate thinking that and thinking about them... I just wish they weren't here. It's really disgusting

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, yes you did miss my point. <48>

With regards to the addictive nature of drugs... I know for a fact that many of the drugs people are claiming Dick has used (marijuana, cocaine) are NOT addictive. Casual use, social use, does not an addict make. This is a fact.

As to whether someone becomes addicted to them, an addictive personality can develop a dependence on anything. Including howling at the moon. But that DOES NOT PROVE THAT DICK WAS AN ADDICT. Once again, labeling someone as something without any absolute proof.

Labeling someone as an addict just because they use drugs is highly offensive to me. I know, and have known, many people who are casual users of various different drugs. Many of them have been high-paying, fully functioning, members of society.

Swimsuit, I appreciate that you don't want to jump to conclusions. <48>

Caycaye
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09-14-2001

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caycaye a private message Print Post    
Cocaine, crack, and/or crank are addictive MOST of the time when used regularly....are they "addictive drugs"? Absolutely!

Do you become an addict from "casual" occasional use....not necessarily....but you still can....

Xanax is commonly known as an "addictive" pharmaceutical drug....

Does everyone who uses Xanax occasionally and as DOCTOR prescribed, become addicted??? NO....
Will anyone who DOUBLES the Dr.'s prescribed dosage, and/or takes Xanax for two months straight like that, find themselves addicted??? Absolutely....my Dr. says so!

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Alcohol is an addictive substance....but that doesn't mean that everyone that drinks is an alcoholic.

Caycaye
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09-14-2001

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caycaye a private message Print Post    
True that, Sanfran!

Nynana
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05-31-2005

Monday, July 23, 2007 - 5:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nynana a private message Print Post    
There are 2 shows on either showtime or hbo right now, one is called "In Pot We Trust" 2007 about the medical uses for MJ and why it should be legalized, for medical purposes at least...by the Federal governement.

The other show is called Reefer Madness 1936
That is not a typo, it came out in 1936 and what they thought about pot then is hysterical to watch...worth watching for 1 and 10 minutes.

Paxil and Prozac are 'not addicitive' according to the medico's but there are many many studies in the last 4 years about all the problems folks coming off of the SSRI's are having, even when weaning slowly. If that isn't addictive I don't know what is.

Xanax is my friend ;) I use it sparelying, usually when I have to go on the highways because I don't travel well, but I have panic/anxiety disorders. If I take on right in the beginning, that is usually all I need and I never use them for more than 2-3 days in a row. A 20 day perscription lasts me 4-6 months.

So use is a big factor in this.