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Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Yep, Costa, that was better said than how I put it. You would have to trust the other people involved in the plan and hope that luck doesn't play a big part of the comp or random name draw, but it could be done. I do agree it'd be much more difficult now to pull it off with the randomness factor though.

The backdooring of Jase still goes down as probably my most favorite game play move. Everything worked so perfectly.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
That's how I see it, too, Lainee. The original backdoor plan was a guarantee that the target would be on the block with no way to save himself.

The best scenario now is that they might have a slightly better chance to get their target nominated (with the cooperation of a lot more people), but there is no guarantee anymore.

I don't see a difference between that and just nominating the target to begin with......either way they'll have several "ifs" to contend with.....and either way there is no longer a guarantee.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"The backdooring of Jase still goes down as probably my most favorite game play move. Everything worked so perfectly."

So true, Wargod. I remember the look on his face when they picked the POV players and it suddenly dawned on him that he couldn't save himself from the chopping block.

He had ZERO chance to save himself from the hot seat.

Stopjustwatchin
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08-19-2005

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopjustwatchin a private message Print Post    
Costa's right...it's not a backdoor.

Jase is the original backdoor, but the most famous one is James. They talked about backdooring James every week because he was so good at winning POV competitions. The only way they could get him out of the house was to ensure he didn't compete in POV and then put him up. That's a backdoor.

As HOH, you do have to put up someone you wouldn't mind going out in case the backdoor fails (i.e., your second choice). Which also brings in the "pawn". But, that's another story. :-)

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Lainee, the backdoor plan goes into full effect as soon as all players for the POV comp are set, and then finally, after the competition. You can plan to backdoor someone, hope that everyone who plays the POV is in on it, and then "get" the person being backdoored.

And LOL Stop... yeah, pawns. HAHAHA! That always works out SO well for the HGs!! :-)

Sanfranjoshfan
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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"the backdoor plan goes into full effect as soon as all players for the POV comp are set, and then finally, after the competition."

But, Costacat, that's not what the "backdoor" strategy is either. That's just hoping the POV goes the way you want it to and then taking that opportunity to nominate your target.

How is that more of a strategy than just nominating your target upfront and then hoping he doesn't win POV? In either of those scenarios, there is the chance that your target may save himself.

For it to be the "backdoor" plan, it can't depend on chance. The "backdoor" plan blocks the target from any chance to save himself.

"The only way they could get him out of the house was to ensure he didn't compete in POV and then put him up. That's a backdoor."

Exactly! They can no longer ensure that the target doesn't play in the POV comp.

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LOL This discussion is so funny....it's about a made-up term with no official definition! Someone should locate Nakomis and ask her to define the term. After all, she was the one who worked the strategy out, named it, and implemented it.:-)

Stopjustwatchin
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08-19-2005

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 5:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopjustwatchin a private message Print Post    
LOL This discussion is so funny....it's about a made-up term with no official definition! Someone should locate Nakomis and ask her to define the term. After all, she was the one who worked the strategy out, named it, and implemented it.

That's a good point. But, in BB5, they could all choose who played for POV.

Sanfranjoshfan
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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 5:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Exactly, Stopjustwatchin.

That's why I said earlier that the original "back door" plan no longer exists

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 6:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
But it's not a term that was made up by Nakomis. I believe she was using it as it is used in the computer/hacking universe. In which case, a backdoor is using a flaw in the system that allows you get to around the system rules by coming in through the "back door."

Nakomis found the flaw in the POV as it existed at the time, that IF you had 6 people on board with the plan, you could collectively control nominations and POV to guarantee that the person you wanted out of the house would go up on the block with no chance of escape.

BB, like any good programmer who finds out they've got a "back door" that's being exploited, changed the POV after that to eliminate the flaw.

However, I will say that I have heard backdoor used in place of backstab so I suppose backdooring in BB could also refer to an alliance turning on one of their own. Either way, I don't think it truly applies to the situation with Joe. In his case, I think he was merely a backUP nominee.

Sanfranjoshfan
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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"But it's not a term that was made up by Nakomis."

I didn't mean to imply that I thought she created the actual word...just that she came up with the strategy and that she named it "backdoor". I understand it's definition in computerology :-), but since there are no POV competitions in computer hacking, I was giving her credit for it's new meaning in the context of BB strategy.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Didn't Nakomis call it the five finger rule? Or something?

And to answer the question of what do you call it when it's just what happened (like with Joe getting nom'd), well, how about a) nominated; b) screwed; c) evicted? :-)

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
You may be right, Costacat! That sounds familiar. Could it have been the six finger rule? I know that it only took 6 people to guarantee that the target could do absolutely nothing to save himself from going up on the block.....the HOH, the two noms and the 3 POV players they got to pick.

Raenstorm put it very well. It was a flaw in the system and Nakomis found it and exploited it. That flaw is no longer in the system so that strategy (backdoor, five finger, six finger, or whatever it's called) no longer exists.

Time to find a NEW flaw to exploit!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Ah ha! Six Finger Plan!! That was it! Nakomis came up with that plan.

I think backdoor came into being in seasons after that. I think when the POV changed and you could no longer guarantee the six in the veto ceremony!

Stopjustwatchin
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08-19-2005

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopjustwatchin a private message Print Post    
I know backdoor was still a possibility during BB6. But, wasn't that the season that BB mixed it up for POV? Sometimes everyone played...sometimes it was a random draw...sometimes it was an actual choice?

Or was BB6 still strictly choice and BB7 the random POV? Or am I completely just merging the two seasons in my head and making that up?

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
OK folks, who is more interesting in this house:
1) Dick !!!!! YES
2) Joe (IMO - the sooner I don't have to see or hear about those nips the better).

Costacat
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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Reality TV World had this for BB6:

quote:

As last week's final two Head of Household competitors, Kaysar and Jennifer had agreed to a deal in which Kaysar would let Jennifer win the competition in return for Jennifer promising to carry out a "backdoor" eviction of James Rhine, the houseguest deemed untrustworthy by both of the house's competing factions.




But apparently, the term was coined during BB5:

quote:

During the live evictions, Karen's fears materialized and she was voted out unanimously. Quite obviously, Diane did not let the vote go to Nakomis. Karen took her eviction alright at first, but did have a problem with the manner which it was delivered. You see, Karen can't stand the back door, and let Diane know about it. Her actual words? "Thanks for backdooring me. That was great. Thank you." (I guess she saw Pulp Fiction.) Karen was upset that she got the back door, but Marvin was evicted without knowing the pain of the backdoor. Diane tried to tell Karen it wasn't the backdoor, but Karen would have none of it. OK, if you are as immature with me, you were laughing at all the use of backdoor in that sixty second span.




And best of, there's THIS, also from RTVW:

quote:

Diane is turning into an <selfmodded>: she explained that Karen was NOT backdoored. She even told us that “backdoor” means "evicted without their knowledge." Diane insists, “Karen wasn’t backdoored. We just didn’t tell her everything.”




Costacat
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Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
So there you go. The definition of backdoor, pure and simple! :-)

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I would never assume that Diane knew what she was talking about. :-)

Raenstorm's description fits perfectly both logically and within the confines of Nakomis's original 6 finger plan and it's how I have used it since it first came to be....and I'm sure I remember "backdooring" and the "5 finger plan" as being the same thing.

That's what we get for debating a made-up term that has no official definition as it pertains to Big Brother. It means whatever we want it to mean.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Costacat - Here are the results of a google search using "Nakimis+backdoor" as the keyword.:

Google SEARCH RESULTS

Without even following the links you can see that they refer to Nakomis's six finger plan as "backdooring"!

Examples (each example is from a different link)-

"Last year, Nakomis did this backdoor thingy and got rid of Jase."

"Nakomifer came up with the idea to back door him, widely known as "The Six Finger Plan"

"Drew told her that he wanted to put up her and Nakomis as pawns. Then they would backdoor Marvin and get him out."

"It was in Season 5 though that Jennifer (Nakomis) came up with the "6 finger plan" to backdoor Jase"

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edited to add - If you click to the 2nd page of those google results you'll find MORE links to different pages that refer to Nakomis's six finger plan as "backdooring"...