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Nana731
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07-06-2005

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nana731 a private message Print Post    
ITA with your opinion Messa. Dick may not have liked her, but her rejecting him in the very beginning, may be what brought on a lot of his actions.

Sportsfan
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09-03-2007

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sportsfan a private message Print Post    
Dick and Janelle will be partying friends, He will be fine with that and will make lots of new "friends" while he travels the world. <57>

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
<57> Dick himself stated on the feeds that Jen was the physical type of girl he was attracted to and often dated. Sorry but you don't hate someone that much and spend so much time trashing them if you are indifferent to them. Compare his treatment of Kail to Jen. He's not still going on about Kail and he most certainly disliked her. Nor did he ever attack Kail in the very intimate sexual terms he attacked and continues to attack Jen. Why doesn't he just give it up and move on?

Dick actually stated in a chat that he had his eye on Janie and thought that the fact that she has a boyfriend wasn't a barrier, since she's not married. He's interested, but she's not, except as a friend.

Hypermom
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08-13-2001

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hypermom a private message Print Post    
09/22/07 10:08 PM Janie @ Jokers:
I love Dick to death! We are going to be great friends. I just got off the phone with him! I love talking to him, he is so easy to talk to and always makes me laugh.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
<57>

It is very very strange that Dick has such a deep seated hatred for Jen. If it is based on anything other than what we saw on the feeds I wish someone would tell us what it is. Dislike is one thing but the hatred he expresses toward Jen is downright scary to me. <57>

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I don't see that Jen "rejected" Dick in the butter comp. She was very rude to him, as she was the day that she sat in his bedroom and talked loudly to herself to wake him up. And, as others have posted, most of the houseguests also didn't like her, even though she didn't start off treating them the way she treated Dick. She has been very rude toward him in interviews she's given outside the house, as well as in the finale, so why shouldn't he hate her?

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
I think most of the guests didn't like her because of the junior high mentality they brought with them. the bully starts off mistreating one and they all join in. I saw her try to be friends with most of them and them bash her behind her back or to her face, when it suited them to try to play big guy. Whatever, I'm glad she doesn't have to deal with any of those people again.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
ITA Messa. Also regarding Eric's "hate" of Jen, I don't think he hates her. I think he probably panicked a bit when someone told him that Jen had a crush or something on him. By that time Eric had feelings for Jessica, and I think he took on the dislike for Jen, simply so Jessica wouldn't get any misimpression that Eric may have a crush on Jen. I remember even Daniele being ticked at Nick for thinking he had feelings for Jen, and then we all saw Nick suddenly blow a fuse at Jen.
But Dick, I think its pure ego, on why he has this abnormal hate for Jen.

Ladytex yes exactly on your post.

(btw I saw the credit given to you on one of the websites on an article/picture of the HGS, congrats )

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
If she's been rude to him outside the house I don't know anyone who has a better right.

I would think she was really really strange if she wasn't. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
Jen saying she didn't want to be touched by Dick is not a form of "rejection"? If that isn't rejection I'd be interested in knowing what a real rejection looks like.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Messa she could have been rude to him outside the house, simply for the fact that Dick/Dustin/Jessica were all kept away from the other HGs. So its safe to assume it all originated inside the house.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
Loppes, I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying. Could you expand on this just a bit? I'm sorry to be dense. Ordinarily I read your posts (with great pleasure, I might add) and have no problem understanding them. But I can't seem to grasp your meaning this time. Maybe I need more caffeine. (I tried to find the 'dunce cap' clipart but didn't see it. I'm really a dunce today! Just picture me in the corner with the dunce cap on.)

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
I agree with you Ladytex. In watching some of the early refeeds ( i did not watch the first time around the early weeks) I noticed that Dick brings up Jen in the hot tub and her "self centered" ways almost all the time. He asks " is it only me ?" I'm glad it's not only me". I get a feeling he was rallying people on the anti-jen train and since Dick was on the cool train, people with that "junior high" mentality were anxious to leap aboard. Just a feeling I got listening this time around. I am not a Dick hater . Just pciking stuff up I missed first time around.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Messa it means I agree with you :-) , and that from all we know Dick never knew Jen before entering the BB house. Therefore imho, I don't feel he has any justification to continue to say the things he does about her. I really think, its his ego, and that Jen a beautiful woman, did not show any interest in him. Dick's personality seems to be one where he does an action to get a reaction, thats what he seems to thrive on. Because Jen refused to play into his game and react, even right to after the game ended, through all the wrap parties etc. It seems to drive him bonkers. lol

As for "outside the house" what I meant is before the game started that the other HGs did not know that Dick/Dustin/Jessica would be coming into the house, because they were kept seperated from the others, until they came down the stairs from the HOH room. So it can't be something Jen would have done, to get the hatred in Dick, prior to that, because she did not know him, or he her.

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
In the house I think thay were all going a little loopy so it doesn't surprise me Dick kept talking about Jen. They had no outside news to talk about. They were isolated and the cigarette night was the most dramatic so Dick kept mentioning Jen. Now Jenelle and Dick are just friends and thats fine. Obviously Janelle approved of his game play. He will have no trouble getting other women. I predict Dick will be mentioned next season on the boards as much as this season. He turned BB upside down and shook it good.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Messa, okay putting on "Dunce cap" along with you...
Roflmao I just realized what I posted:
"Messa she could have been rude to him outside the house"
What I meant was: "Messa she could NOT have been rude......."

Sorry, I just realized that, and it was too late to edit that post.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Loppes. Now I see. All is clear. (That is a light bulb, right?)

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Messa lol yes I realized I needed more caffeine too! lol

Naja
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06-28-2003

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 12:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Wasn't sure where to post this, but Kaysar's chat is about to start at his website. I have only been to one of Kaysars chats, last year with Dr. Will and Howie, but I thought I might go today in case any of this year's cast shows up.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Kaysar is talking about meeting them all at the wrap party. He said AMber came up to him and introduced herself as "Hi, I'm Wahm ber"...LOL (no joke)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
It sounded to me like people in the house were put off by Jen in the first days, before Dick and the others joined them.

Apparently she tried to direct everyone immediately and that wasn't taken well. Dani and Jameka described being put off by her actions on the front steps.. she was bumping one with her bag and kept flipping her hair in the other's face.

Then we have the open jealously because Nick gravitated to Dani, her comments to Dani about running to put make up on for "air time", then the meltdown over her picture, insisting that Dick not touch her in the first food comp. I'm sure many were uncomfortable with her skimpy attire.. this wasn't a season where the other women stayed in bikinis all over the house. She apparently started mentioning, before the feeds even came on, all of her famous connections, how much she makes modelling, giving up a gig that would pay more than staying in the house, gardeners, etc. Saying that she'd never seen the show and basically acting like she just didn't care. Many many little things, none of them caused by Dick.

I'd venture to guess that if anyone besides Kail had been the first HOH, or there hadn't been the three rival pairs, Jen would have been gone first.

None of those things make Dick's or Eric's attacks OK, but she wasn't liked by many from day one. and Dick wasn't even there at that point.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Sea, remember, Jen had originally applied to be on Survivor, and she was recruited for BB...(and could you see her in the current Survivor cast? She probably would have been voted out and fogotten in a week).

I have a feeling they come up with the twist first, cast for the twist (one of the casting directors wouldn't confirm it in a recent chat citing her contract clauses, but it seems heavily implied based on other interviews-Carol was recruited, D/D applied before, etc.) ,then grab people from the common applicant pool who will fill the "types" of people that they still need in the house (in Jen's case, I think she was supposed to be the high-maintenence from day one). I won't go so far as to say she would have been first out if Kail hadn't won HOH-Carol was extremely homesick and had had enough of it. On the good side I've heard people get emails from her after they posted on her myspace- and they've been very friendly from her.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 1:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Why is it that if you dont like Dick now folks MUST be pro-Jen?? I wouldnt like her if Dick was not in the house this year. I feel her attitude, tone, superiority not to mention that plain freaky eye thing are all enough for me to totally dislike her COMPLETELY independant of Dick. My dislike stand on her own merits, just as no one in the house liked her. Seldom can I recall a house 100% united in dislike as they are for her lolol. To me that says something--and they know her we don't!

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 1:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
Also there was the deal with Jen following Nick and Dani around and just staring at them the first few days. It was almost like stalking. I thought I imagined it until I think Hyper said I wasn't imaging it and they were replaying that part on the feed reruns.

Shopstomuch
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07-09-2007

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shopstomuch a private message Print Post    
Again, ITA with you Sea. Others were more put off by Jen intially... then it just compounded. I don't get the "bullying" aspect of it. These are strangers in a house who have just met and ONE person starts off directing, acting oddly, saying don't touch me, crying insanely over her own picture, talking about her modeling, her life (which I still say is Vanna's life and not hers), how she wont't speak to the gardners or other hired help, and obsessing over herself in general... all within 48-72 hours of entering the house. Please, most of us would have been rolling our own eyes and thinking where on earth did this girl come from. Like living with a Paris Hilton wannabe. I recall that most of us were all in stunned mode at this girl crying over her own picture and many of those claiming to be big Jen fans now were posting in the early threads about the "omg" reaction to her doing it. Then, when Dick did start in on her is when a lot began to look at it through the filter of her being a victim of "abuse" (others posters words, not mine). That began the empathic view of her.

Personally, I still do have a hard time with someone that engrossed in themselves to the point they feel zero empathy by their own admittance for others. What is so interesting is that if this were you getting verbally assaulted by Dick, and it had never happened to this girl... she would have zero empathy for you by her own admission... she lacks the ability to do so.

Since jealousy seems to be a common accusation applied to others when not liking Jen. It is ironic that Jen's own jealousy over Dani and Nick is what spurred on many of her own actions. She had a holier than thou attitude and was so boggled as to how/why this guy could be attracted to someone else and not her.

I can honestly say without a doubt and this is an admission of my own personality that I would have not liked Jen if I had lived there and probably ended up calling her every name but her own myself if forced to live with her 24/7 like that. The others were saints IMO to not do so, excluding Dick. What I do find so interesting is that Nick was generally a fan favorite and seems a pretty level headed guy and even he "lost it" with her. Then you add her own bizarre behaviors of flashing herself and wearing as little clothing as possible... that is a desperate cry for attention and on one point I do agree with Dick completely, have a little more respect for yourself. She "accidently" dropped her top in the hot tub, flashed her privates while walking around for over an hour in only a towel and sat with her legs wide open, then oops.. the towel fell again in the kitchen.

Bullying or not... you had basically one person in that house, Kail who actually came out of that house and had any good impressions of Jen... I am sorry, that many people cannot be completely wrong even if you throw out Dick's opinion.