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Victoryrm
Member
09-20-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:46 pm
I don't feel bad for Amber. She opened her mouth and offened an entire race of people. The casino was right to fire her and the poor ignorant girl explaination does not apply at all in this case.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:47 pm
Milos thank you for getting all this information to us. I want to comment on Amber. I have known for sometime that Amber was fired. I just kept it to myself because I wasn't in a position to confirm by saying how I knew and it basically would have been a rumor. Amber wasn't fired solely for her Jewish rants. It was a combination of things she said and did. One being that she admitted to working under the influence of illegal drugs. Viewers of the show and feeds flooded the offices with letters and you tubes of her. The media contacted even them, that is when they started paying attention. Even though her co-workers were slated for an Amber segment that was given the big no go. Now from what I heard and this has been awhile ago. The firing may not be permanent. If she were to enter a drug and alcohol counseling, consent to drug testing and some other conditions, such as employee counseling and in-service classes she might be considered for rehire after 90 days.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:48 pm
That is a strong opinion about Amber's ignorant words...hope we all would have the same strong opinion about Dick's which he continues to defend and his daughter who encouraged them but continues to deny it. Can you link the interview where Amber said "it really wasn't a big deal"? The one I read, she said she said it in anger, forgetting about the cameras and she apologized. Her apology is way more than I have heard Dick do for his comments to/about Jen about what he would like to do to her till she bled, or about listening as he crushed her bones, or cutting her up with a chain saw.
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:49 pm
I in no way condone wht Amber said- heck I am Jewish so that would be questionable! I just see her as an exptremely ignorant person and I hate to see her punished more than anyone else for the ignorance. I feel for her, I do.
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Lizziedi
Member
10-05-2005
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:52 pm
I DO agree with Lurknomore & others. I think it's entirely fitting that she lost her job. I think it's a good thing that people are calling her out and holding her responsible for her comments, and that the subject is not being swept under the rug on this board or elsewhere. Actually, the best thing is that we ARE all talking about it, and no-one defends her statements. If she dismisses this controversy, then it's a really sad thing for her, in my opinion. And yes, she will never change. I'm not trying to walk both sides of the fence here. I still can see the potential and fragility in her personality (which gives me hope). My family is multi-racial, and I never underplay the nuances & subtleties of racism (as we experience that here at times). If my post came across that way, I apologize.
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:52 pm
Booberg, the point keeps being missed... THIS IS HER EMPLOYER DOING IT. If Dick and/or Dani's chooses to do this then that is their own choice as all 3 are in the service industry.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:56 pm
Shops...I did not comment on her losing her job, only about the strong opinions about what she said as compared to what Dick said. I didn't miss your point...I agree, her employer has the right to do whatever he thinks is correct for his business.
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Victoryrm
Member
09-20-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:56 pm
I'm just not buying the poor ignorant Amber thing. It sounds more like an excuse than an explaination.
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:59 pm
Well, kinda one and the same Victor... anti-semitism and racism are both ignorant...
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Victoryrm
Member
09-20-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:01 pm
Yes they are.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:06 pm
Bo...I personally believe we that we have EVERY right to discuss ONE HG and that specific, individual situation if we feel like it, without making it all or nothing. As a matter of fact, I would hope each and every person would be judged and discussed at the individuals they are. It's the only way I feel comfortable discussing them. Different type employment situations come with different reasons that would affect this, and so on. My bottom line, I don't feel a need to judge all as one. I look at every person be it in life or be it a HG, and take them for THEM, and look at their individual situation. And since I'm only speaking about Amber right now, I'll only comment on that alleged apology. I personally didn't see one lolol. Saying you are mad at a person is in no way, shape or form any credible apology showing understanding of wrongdoing or demonstrating remorse. She just wanted off the hook w/justification. Sorry....not right in my book. I do agree w/Meggie in that I feel for her and worry about her too, because I'm not sure she has the tools to truly cope with this, or someone in her life who can help her see what was so wrong. And sadly I feel she is ignorant of why her words were SOOOO aweful that it made all the national media! It's why I truly hope CBS insists on her working with a counselor or I can see her having a hard time readjusting to society as there isn't much Amber love out there. I truly hope they help her with all of this. I don't want to see her punished either, but I DO-for HER sake-- want to see her own, learn, and hopefully grow from it. For my sake (as a viewer who had to endure her racist outburst and knows all too well how horrible it was), I'd appreciate a heartfelt apology from a place of understanding, not a cast off comment that shows she has no clue. I do hope she learns and comes to understand what she should be apologising for, since hollow words won't serve her or us IMHO.
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Sportsfan
Member
09-03-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:09 pm
Amber needs a serious reality check, She would benefit from counselling, I think she is incredibly naive. I hope she finds happiness (along with a little common sense.)
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:12 pm
Like some others here I was watching the feeds the day Amber made her anti-Semitic remarks on three separate occasions. It's disingenuous for her to say it was because she was mad at Eric when she didn't mention Eric at all during those conversations. Even if she was mad, those comments are unacceptable. I agree with Lurk that she needs to understand that what she said was wrong and make amends for it. She desires to do good in the world, and I hope that at some later date she will earn the opportunity to do so. FYI, Judaism is a religion not a race. When you fill out a census form, there's no box that says Jewish under race.
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Victoryrm
Member
09-20-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:14 pm
I don't care if Amber ever gets help. I'm just glad the media got hold of the story and she got called out.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:15 pm
Shops, the reason that the Uggs are standing out as an emulation of Janie to me, now that its been pointed out, is because Uggs are no longer trendy. They were very much in style during Janelle's time, but not at all now.. Not saying they're not nice to still wear, but just that at least in CA, that trend has pretty much passed. & Dani seems to be a pretty trendy (& cute) dresser; note her white Paris Hilton like sunglasses (huge size frames & white in color like Paris'), layered tank tops, etc., which are still current trends here in CA. Dani is a pretty trendy dresser, so it does stand out to me that she'd wear the same dress as Janie from a year or 2 ago, & wear Uggs which are not as popularly worn at this time anymore. Just a thought.
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Doublethink
Member
08-23-2006
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:24 pm
Finally, the Dick supporters are on my side. No longer is anyone saying "words are just words," "words can't hurt you." In fact, it seems that most of us realize that words can be hurtful, and even though you are playing a game, you might actually be held accountable for remarks that others might deem offensive. In Amber's case, however, I believe Biloxibelle hit it on the head; it wasn't only her anti-semitic remarks, but the revealing of her life-style choices to the entire internet community.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:25 pm
Here you go Lurknomore: AMBER'S INTERVIEW: http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article7353.art&page=1
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Lizziedi
Member
10-05-2005
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:27 pm
I'm aware that Judaism is a religion, rather than a race. We could all be saying "religious persecution" in this discussion, and be correct. But for me, racism is the term that really goes deeper into the psyche of the phenomenon and covers all the bases. JMHO
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:32 pm
Well, I better hide my Uggs then cause I still drag those things out for comfort. LOL I sooo agree with ya Lurk. She said her comments were said in anger when they were not and Eric was not around. I also think that knowing that she was already taking some pretty high dosage anxiety meds along with anti-depressants the girl has some issues already. I think what is really the crash and burn of it all is that Amber, in her OWN mind, thought she was soooo loved by America and one of the most popular HG's. She also kept saying she was one of the good people and had placed her own self up on a pedestal. Having Jam encourage her in the modeling and the "being an inspirational speaker" did not help either. Sure, she may be able to use her life experiences with drugs to help someone else, however she is has proven herself not very articulate, not very educated in terms of vocabulary, judgemental (i.e. her commentary on other races, religions, and judging Dani with Nick) so just never sure how that played out. Also, given her admittance of prior drug addiction, could she even become a nurse? Not sure on those rules. I think Amber has a really really tough road right now and this girl has already shown she can be an emotional basket case. Double, as for being a Dick supporter "on your side", if Dick's employer chooses to fire him for his words and actions on that show, that is their right as I have said in every post. If the NOW organization that had their outcry kept after him as they said they would, that is their choice. Did I always like Dick's words and/or actions? NO. However, he will have to answer for them himself just as Amber is now. Also, Dick's words in relation to Jen, since that is what some are so upset about were to Jen, about Jen and directed at Jen. Amber's were a generic statment about a complete religious sect that has undergone persecution.
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Buddeelove
Member
08-24-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:38 pm
Amber thinks it is a race, she does not know the difference. What is shocking is Amber lives and works in Vegas. I cannot imagine a city that I would think would have less prejudice
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:46 pm
LOL, Shops! I only say that because Dani is very young & people her age are sometimes concerned with things like that, despite comfort or lack there of. I just thinks she's very bright & has keen observation skills so it would surprise me if she weren't already aware..
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Doublethink
Member
08-23-2006
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:49 pm
Shop - I wasn't speaking to you specifically, I was speaking in general. Every time I tried to make a comment about Dick's words during the season - specifically his use of the C word which he didn't use just on Jen, I was told "words can't hurt you." I'm just glad to see people do recognize that words can be hurtful. That's all - not trying to fan the Dick debates again - the season is over.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:52 pm
I asked about someone's lack of education the other day and was told Amber only went to school until 6th grade and then was supposedly home-schooled 3 hours a day for 3 days a week for the next 3 years and then nothing. No wonder she doesn't know the meaning of so many words. Something is up with that and the school system totally failed her. It's obvious her mother was not qualified to home-school her and she doesn't even sound as if she had any education past the 6th grade. That is awful. I'm not excusing her at all, but she really fell through the cracks. She's not really dumb, because she put two and two together in the house and caught on to what certain people were doing in certain situations. I think if she had been educated correctly, she'd have been better off. It sounds like her mother had certain beliefs (erroneous) that she passed on to Amber and without going to a public high school, I can now see that she was able to have certain views and never be challenged. Yes, she had a very high and incorrect opinion of herself, but IMO, so does Daniele. As far as who the more real person of the two are, I'd have to say Amber. At least she doesn't hate everyone that was in the house.
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Messalina
Member
06-19-2005
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 7:32 pm
I don't think Amber has ever had an original thought in her life. I've said before and I'll say again...I don't think she is racist OR anti-Semitic -- I think she is simply ignorant. When she talking with someone she admires she agrees with everything they say and she's so insecure she will go along with every statement made by whomever she's talking with at the time. Should she be made to face her irresponsible statements? Of course. Someone needs to sit her down and tell her in no uncertain terms to get her goddam act together and shut up mouthing back cliches that probably never would have occurred to her to say if she took the time to figure out what her own ideas are instead of mimicking those she's trying to impress. She has been taught by people just like her -- ignorant people who haven't the faintest idea of how to be introspective and analytical about what feelings and beliefs truly are. Just ask any of your friends or family to define the difference between "think" and "feel". Their answer will reveal how thoroughly they have learned to differentiate between what we have been taught and what we learn through observation and interaction and self analysis. This young woman is so unsophisticated she would probably ask back..."Why? Is there a difference? What do you mean think/feel?" At her age she should know better but I'll bet she never reads newspapers or online news and opinion blogs or watches news networks. I'll go further and say I'll bet her family are the same. I'd like to ask them if they've ever watched a documentary about racism or the Holocaust or the Civil War or anything that is the least bit thought provoking. My guess is they watch nothing but entertainment type TV shows and the last book they read was probably in high school which they promptly forgot the moment the class was over. This is harsh toward people I've never met but I watched Amber for three months and don't think I'm far off the mark. I am sorry if it is offensive to anyone here but I'm puzzled why so many assume the worst (that she's a rabid racist and anti-Semite) and can't give her the benefit of the doubt by realizing she doesn't know how to think for herself. Ignorance doesn't mean she's unintelligent. I think she has a good mind. It's an uneducated, untapped and superficial brain but the raw material is there. If she had the right mentor she could make giant steps toward self-improvment including empathy and understanding. She can learn how to think and to feel and recognize the difference.
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 7:50 pm
Thank you Cricket
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