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Realurker
Member
08-10-2004
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:00 am
Alex, I understand your enthusiasm calling Big Brother the best competition show. However, I love Survivor. Have you ever wanted to be on Survivor?
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:03 am
Real...not really. I just like how BB unfolds live in front of our eyes...Survivor is pretaped so long in advance that I just don't get the sense of impending doom as on BB.
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:05 am
If they asked I'd do it though. Competition is fun.
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Bbonthego
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:39 am
Personally I think it's the "hamster-cage" aspect of Big Brother that makes it so fun to watch. I don't think Survivor has that same appeal, despite having so much higher ratings here in the US. The only other show I can think of currently airing, that is remotely like Big Brother in that respect, is Solitary on the Fox Reality Channel.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:44 am
The thing with shows like Survivor is they are always spoiled somewhere. People are so good at finding out stuff. And of course I HAVE to look. With Big Brother, there is no spoiling because it's going on 24/7. Except for the tv watchers of course.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:47 am
lol Sinatra not sure you you were around TVCH when I expressed my theory that likely Eric is a BB employee/plant/flunkie. I've softened somewhat on it, but I still think it's a possibility lolol As for his lease being up, with all the lies he told, that could be another one to justify a move from a place he doens't live in to one he does. hehehe This would work well in the conspiracy theory thread!! I just think it makes more sense if he was a plant, and I think he should have just played as a mole purely as AP not for both him and us. But JMHO as usual
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 12:05 pm
Lurk I agree. Him getting "bonus" money for stupid tasks was bogus. He should have just been in there as our rep. We would have helped him more...maybe. What do I know? It also would have helped if "our" player could have won some competitions...an HOH would have been nice....just one...would it have killed him..something...please!
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Bbonthego
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 12:27 pm
Simply put, Eric was the victim of being America's Player. While it was mere luck that he lost the last HOH (giving the game to D/D), it was America's vote that forced him to get rid of Dustin/Amber in the weeks previous making any last minute campaign to get rid of D/D (as Jessica wanted) impossible.
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 12:33 pm
I do understand(and have always stated) he was at a disadvantage bbon but he did nothing to help his cause(or ours) all season ie. not winning comps..
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 12:48 pm
Eric was my "player" too as a viewer. I have absolutely no problem with what he did to try pacify the viewers. I didn't always agree with the majority vote decisions the "viewers" made, but cut the guy some slack, he clearly completely the majority of requests from the viewers, and that still doesn't seem to be good enough..what was it 18 tasks? In grade school level that would be a high B+ or A. The guy had more comps to win than any other HG when you think about it. He had to win the "comps" we threw at him as AP, then he also had to decide whether to win "comps" as a HG player. He can hardly be expected to have worked hard at both. I would have foregone the HGs comps , if I was in his shoes, to concentrate on the Viewer comps, just to keep my sanity lol. P.S. Sinatra I heard you on housecalls, and agree with other posts, it would definitely be great if they called you back for another show too. Even if I would differ with your analysis, you articulate greatly on the show. 
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 12:52 pm
Eric was never forced to get rid of Dustin or Amber,He had free will with everything but his actual vote- Nick is proof of that. He could have done a simple attempt at the tasks to fulfill his obligation and then work for the big money instead of the task money. Loppes he completed 20 tasks.
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 12:58 pm
Thanks Loppes....but....was he pacifying us or trying to make money for himself? I don't have a problem with that a guy has to pay the bills right? However forgoing HOH/VETO comps? Along the way you would think he could have done both. Our tasks for him were silly and required next to no effort. Just would have been nice to decide who would have been nominated..both nominees not just one that he could hopefully get on the block. I do know that he had it hard. Thanks for the niceties. Thats the great thing about TVCH you can agree to disagree without hating on one another.
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Bbonthego
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:03 pm
I'm not saying I liked him, just that he didn't actually "lose" the game until that final competition against D/D - which he only lost by chance. Obviously being America's Player could of helped or hurt him, as it was only because D/D stabbed him and Jessica in the back that they are on the jury. Point is, if had he won the Veto after that (or had Zach used it), even that final loss could of been salvaged, leading to a very different final 4.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:13 pm
lol Sinatra may have to go pull up some of your Housecalls (nothing personal I haven't even watched Kaysar's and I adored him for 2 years...had puter hell most of the season but I digress). But we seem to be on the same page Was laughing at your last post. Given the fact that he basically told us all off on TV when he didn't like how we voted, I'd go along with your suggestion that his inspiration was to make $$ for himself. And if anyone can explain to me why once a week they had him do something totally assinine I'd love to know. BB authorized destruction of property?? Fake stories?? HUH I don't get it at all...not at all. But there's a lot I don't get about BB so just add it to my list. My VERY loooong list lol. Know what I'd love to know about the comps? Did he throw them or was he not allowed to win them??? It has to be one of the 2, just not sure which. To me AP was one more BB idea that had great potential and they totally blew it in the execution. Sigh.
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Bbonthego
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:14 pm
Kalekona, Eric was nearly evicted for going against America's vote and targeting Nick. Obviously he wasn't going to do that again, without America's support, if not for any other reason then to see another banner with his name on it. Dustin was evicted over Dick, so that alignment made sense. Amber however was evicted over Zach, and with Eric's vote locked there was no way to turn D/D against him, considering who he was up against.
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:16 pm
No way he threw all of them. Maybe next seasons twist can be that we as fans get to produce and cast the show. Who would know better than us what works and what doesn't.
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:19 pm
By the way I'm sitting in front of the computer with the feeds on so thats why I keep reading the posts here. Thank God I leave for work at 3 or I'd sit here all day...like on my days off.
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Bbonthego
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:19 pm
Lurknomore, I completely agree that AP was ruined in it's execution. It's also ruined for future seasons - unless they do something crazy like make everyone America's Player, but tell them they are the only ones that are 
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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:22 pm
I do think Eric threw the HOH competitions, except for the very first one which he basically won and then the very last one, I think he was trying. I don't blame him though because I wouldn't have trusted the voters either as to who they would make him nominate. However he didn't throw POV competitions. The ongoing joke in the house was he was never picked to play. The first POV he played in, he won. I do think he tried in the other 2 POV's he played in, especially the last one!
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:27 pm
He was screwed from the begining. Be AP or don't play. Once they offered him to be AP if he would have said no there would be no way for him to play they couldn't have let him in the game with that knowledge. But once he accepted he should have embraced it and trusted the viewers(ie. nominations if he were HOH) that's why I don't think he was throwing them.
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Bbonthego
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:32 pm
Eric did win the veto with Jessica as HOH, and I suppose had he used it on Amber (despite America's vote to target her) things would be very much different. It seems that both he and Zach (win or lose) didn't use their power when it really mattered (nominating D/D instead of Jameka meant nothing), and that what has made the difference. As an aside, I would love to see Big Brother cast differently (maybe like it was during All-Stars), but with people who have never played before.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:32 pm
Bbon...what I don't get is why don't they just say, Houseguests, see that invisible chair? That is where America is playing. Each week they will get one vote for eviction, and possibly more. I've long felt this show DESPERATELY needs to be reworked. I can think of a dozen ways that HoH could still be in power but America could participate more. Let the HG know that several weeks have been picked at random. One week America nominates one of the 2 HG for eviction. One week America chooses the HoH. and on and on. And I think POV needs to be redone totally. It's absurd now, since your worst enemy might be playing 'for' you. And backdooring is more used than before, and allegedly they made the random draw to do away with it. I'm with Sinatra...let US redo the show. Imagine we could cast real people not wannabee's, do away with lame themes and hg who know each other etc etc. So sad that the fans get it a million times more than the paid pro's. Sigh. Or how about this...each week America will vote a different HG to be AP that week. It MUST be a different player each week, and they cannot tell anyone they are AP that week. I tell you, I could sit down and come up with 100 different ways they could improve it, but likely they will just do away with it in the future . But heck, they did't even have the creativity to really tie everything in to the Alice theme, including the HoH room. What was up w/that??? But SO much they could have done with that theme, but it was barely utilized. K I'm tired and rambling...time to sit down on soapbox. hehehe
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Sinatra71
Member
08-22-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:43 pm
Everyone competes in HOH. Everyone competes in VETO(unless you give up competing as part of another comp.). Jury members don't leave the house...they are out of the game but still around to make an informed deciscion..and it helps the feeds...more people=more to watch=more fun for feed watchers. One night a week is "movie night". Give them some board games. And more luxury comps. We as viewers have one vote to evict every week and at the finale. Just a few thoughts. Our vote is so important because like American Idol the show is unfolding live and we could have a more vested interest if we had some say(but not all).
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Bbonthego
Member
08-06-2007
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 1:49 pm
Speaking of voting, we should only have 1 vote per person, not 20 (10 texts, and 10 online). Also just because giving America all the votes didn't work in the first season, doesn't mean it wouldn't work if re-done.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 2:53 pm
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