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Any subsequent repercussions for Amber?

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Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Rumour has it that Amber was fired from her job for her constant anti-semitic comments. If it's true it's not surprising. Wonder what other repercussions she's encountered in the past few days since being sprung from BB? Has she given any interviews at all? (I know CBS barred the press from asking her anything about her inflamatory comments.) But has she gone online anywhere, or been interviewed by any local papers in her hometown etc? Has she been lauded by any official racist groups? Enquiring minds want to know.

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
Mame- there are some discussions of Amber in the "After Party" thread. I think it starts around the second page. Hope that helps.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
I might be wrong, but it was my understanding that CBS barred those questions only while Amber was still in sequester (said it could somehow affect the outcome/integrity of the game--please don't ask me to explain that logic as I don't get it lol). But far as I know now that she is out of the house, they can ask whatever they want.

I believe this to be true as I've seen her dance around it in various interviews, mentioning how she was just mad at Eric and other IMHO nonsense. I know I was reading an article just now about her that locked up. Came back to get the URL actually and of course checked new posts lol. I didn't get to it yet, but it says she discusses it here. I'm betting more sidestep/rewritting history but my hope is she gets it privately and hopefully there is SOMEONE in her life with the wisdom to see she really needs some education and helps her with it outside the spotlight.

Here's the link...maybe there will be more than I'm anticipating lol;
http://snipurl.com/1r3ef

Chicogirl
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07-23-2007

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chicogirl a private message Print Post    
I read the one article that was posted here, well at least part of it.
I couldn't read the whole thing, it was just too painful.
It was like watching shotoo all over again. ( made my head hurt )

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Snipped from the link above - Amber says: OK, I just want to tell everybody out there that when I was in the backyard and I was talking to Jameka and I made that comment, it came from a bad place. What I should’ve said, and what I wanted to say and how I meant it was, not selfish. Jews, people from New York, they’re not selfish, they’re just very goal-oriented and they’re very hard workers, and money-motivated. Those are the words I should’ve used, money-motivated and hard working, and goal-oriented, instead of saying selfish and money-hungry, I didn’t mean those in rude ways. I can’t stress to all of you out there how sorry I am I said that. I’m not a horrible person, I’m not prejudiced. I have friends from all walks of life, and I really wish I could individually apologize to every single one of you out there that I offended. }

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IMHO she showed her true unvarnished colours in the house. She's just backpeddling now, politely. I give her credit for sounding regretful. She's obviously given it some thought (or been coached) but she's chosen to own it. I give her props for that. On the other hand... sadly I still think she doesn't quite get it. Money-motivated (?) to her is a vast improvement over money-hungry and what she thinks she should have said. LOL. And yet her going on a reality show to win half a million dollars was specifically money-motivated and she admitted that constantly in the article and throughout the show.

The red colouring and the bold, and underlining for emphasis were done by me.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Thanks for the link Lurk! Thanks for the headsup about the thread Rubyroo. I'll check it out.

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
I didn't buy it either.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Mame got the motherlode link for you so far I think. There is a discussion about this on Janelle's board, and someone who talked to her firsthand about it at the wrap party. It also has a lot of other links. The key things said were Amber hadn't lost her job (but would she know for sure yet or admit it?), and the woman thought she was much nicer than she expected. You can read all this BUT I wanted to comment that it's easy to like someone when you are not directly offended by hurtful words IMHO. So check it out at;
http://janellefansite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=500

As for the 1st link I posted, I had made a comment somewhere at TVCH when Amber first started commenting on this after the show. After reading that I am now 100% certain I was correct lol. I said that after 3 months of listening to how Amber speaks, combined with my 20 years of PR experience, I was certain that Amber came up with those answers from being heavily coached by a CBS PR person (perhaps a team lol--I'll give em credit I didn't see any way to make it any better, but of course I say that as a horrified viewer not someone CBS is paying hehe). But when you read the things Amber says they do not sound at all like how she speaks. There are no double negatives, no "what does that mean" lolol, and well it's just not in her voice. But when you hear the rest of the interview you can hear her speaking. So I am certain this is the best job the CBS hacks could do to make it slightly less horrific than what she really said was. Wonder how long they had to work with her to get her to a place to be able to say all these things on her own?!! lol

But as Mame pointed out, we heard exactly what she said, we heard the way she said it, and I believe she spoke her truth in the house. I hope somewhere it opens her eyes, or leads her to someone who will. Then perhaps some good will come out of it. But I too have no doubt she meant what she said in the house JUST as she said it!

Because I am certain it came from a placce of ignorance not raw hatred, I sincerely hope that it will lead her to a better understanding. And not only of Jewish people, but religion, prayer, and many other things. I'm just not sure she cares to expand her views, but you never know.

I still think she came out of sequester thinking she would be very popular and is likely far more shell shocked by the reality than she is admitting. And I doubt she has seen much of it yet.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
CNN & FOX etc showcased her blather at the time. I think a followup is in order, even if its on Entertainment tonight. And if she did lose her job, according to what I've read elsewhere on this board, it was primarily due to the drug situation more than anything else. For some reason that depresses me. I would rather they said that she was dismissed for being an overall unsuitable person for the job. But if she goes to rehab then all is forgiven. They don't have 'rehab' for racism and antisemitism. Sigh. I felt a bit sucker-punched when I read that.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Mame, I don't think so...bout the drug thing. If she is indeed clean (and from what one of Vincent's friend's posted on his Myspace about her, Geez this is hard to summarize lol). He said how she was further along in a shared problem and more solid than it came across. Since he earlier referred to "back in the days he did drugs" I'm assuming that was it. I can't see a major casino firing someone for a problem they recovered from, and that would have no impact on their job.

I can, however, see them concerned about having one of their waitresses serving their clientele who may have both watched BB and are Jewish. So IF she was fired, which she said she wasn't, I can't see it being for something she recovered from as I would bet that is illegal. At worst I could see them doing more frequent drug testing. I wonder if there is any morals clause in their employee contracts there???

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
To see another example of how hate for a houseguest can hurt their lives, see BB6, Dr Will fan thread. His episodes were shelved due to controversy on the EOnline message board.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 2:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
I have a feeling Amber will survive the controversy around her. She has already apologized, and I think within time the issue around her comments on Jews will subside. I really hope this experience hasn't negatively impacted her life. While I don't think she will be ANTM, I wish her well. It seems many of the interviews she done so far have been okay.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 2:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I wish we could somehow take out the word "constant" in the first post.

Best of luck to Amber.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
I agree, Beek. With both sentiments.

She sure wasn't the worst mouth in that house.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Beek true, I think it was just that one time she had referred to anything anti-semetic. I got the impression her sister, seems like good support to her. I almost feel more worse for her because of the comments Drew Carey has been quoted to have made of her appearing on POT, but that could just be rumor too.....

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 3:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
I do NOT hate Amber although I do not like her. She is merely a reminder of the antisemitism that is 'out there'. I tend to get too comfortable, and forget for a while, that those attitudes exist. When I am reminded, it brings out a myriad of emotions, from discomfort to fear. I hate the Nazis. I do not hate this girl. I get the difference. She clearly isn't the brightest light and is fairly ignorant. She thought she was one of the good people. Many racists and antisemites would agree. The rest of us know better.

The controversy which surrounds her is of her own creation, regarding her verbalizing of her attitude towards Jewish people several times on the show. Lets pretend that she had she confided something similar to Eric about Jameka and the Black community instead, I believe wholeheartedly the Black community would be rightly offended. Why are those of us who are offended being slammed for taking offence?

If those episodes of her antisemitism were missed, they are available on youtube. Besides she is somewhat chagrined about the reaction to her behaviour and has made somewhat of an attempt to apologize.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 3:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Mame, yes I get that that sense also, as you said "isn't the brightest light...and fairly ignorant".....My impression of her was she just doesn't stop to think much before saying or doing something, and certainly in the house that worked against her, she was already becoming annoying simply with all those crying hysterics she used to have. It was almost a relief when Dustin left, that suddenly she stopped doing as much of her previous actions and behavior. I don't know if BB had her medicated more or what, but I wondered, after that change in her personality, if she had been more subdued in the beginning, the viewers would probably have had a different impression of her. But wow.....that first month.....she exhausted me! To be honest, after she had revealed her past drug addiction, etc. I seriously thought she was going through withdrawl in the house. LOLOL

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
There are more than one youtubes with her spouting her sentiments on this topic. At least 2 or 3. This was not a one-time event or conversation. She is NOT being vilified by the media without merit. I vaguely remember one conversation was outside in the backyard. One was in the bedroom. Those are 2 I distinctly remember.

Victoryrm
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09-20-2007

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Victoryrm a private message Print Post    
I know there are more than one Mame, and I won't explain her comments as ignorance on her part at all.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
really? it wasn't only that incident with Jameka? (actually I was glad that the media called her on the remarks). Mame, if there were more than one occasion, I believe you. So many things came out of her mouth, so often, it was just really surprising at times to listen to thoughts in her head. The one thing that seems at least apparent, that she's probably gotten the clear message that Nick didn't have the fondness for her that she had for him. lol

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
I thoroughly agree that she wasn't the worst mouth in that house overall. But a confrontational pottymouthed bully who is proud of his behaviour and dubs himself Evel from the outset isn't remotely the same thing as someone who professes to be a spiritual 'good person' and then spews nasty verbiage. He made the show unpleasant to watch. She made the show personal.
I found this season barely watchable. She was not the only offensive person in that house. But that does not excuse or lessen the impact of her comments towards an entire community, to which I belong (although my husband is Catholic).

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
While I understand the dismay felt by persons who have suffered anti-Semitism, I don't think any one race or religion has a corner on who should be the most outraged when someone steps over the line in their use of language. None of it is acceptable and yet it happens to all of us everyday, not just those who have suffered in the past. All of us are discriminated against and rebuffed, insulted and made to feel low on the totem pole.

Even the words "totem pole" have been frowned upon in some circles. Amber was called every name in the book...druggie, bad mother, dumb, stupid, crybaby, idiot, and several other profane words not allowed on this board. Most of the bad language came from the HG who has many defenders on this board. Are the insults toward her any less hurtful than those she used? I submit they aren't to HER and to many of us.

People toss around hurtful things without thinking about who will be hurt by them. She's no different from most of us.

I'm not a member of a minority anything but I could (if I chose to) take offense at some of the things said on this very board.

I'm a Texan. Someone on this board said something hateful about Texans the other day. Do I think that poster needs to be called out and shamed in public? Certainly not. Amber should be told off about her insensitive statements and shown, by someone she respects, how wrong they are. But, for heaven's sake, let's remember that all of us are prone to mistakes and thoughtless remarks are made everyday, maybe even by Y O U (generic you).

I'm tired of intolerance. Y'all (that's the Texan in me speaking) have a great life. I've got a good one of my own and I need to get back to it.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 4:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Mess...y'all come back now, ya hear?

Looking forward to your posts next season.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
We do agree Messalina, I am tired of intolerance too. I only wish that I was referring to things that happened in the past, but it's folks like Amber who remind me that its an ongoing attitude today in the NOW.

And I was in Houston once and I met the kindest people there. So I think Texans are wonderful folks!

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
Thanks, NY and Mame.

I'll see y'all for the next BB (the lord willin' and the creek don't rise).

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 5:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
Okay, while I didn't like the anti-semetic comments, she said something else that bothered me. While she was talking about her normal day in the real world, she said she wold take her BF a subway sandwich and drive around at lunch. He would smoke a joint and she would take hits off of the one hitter. She said this in a way that made me think that while doing crank is a bad thing, smoking pot at lunch isn't. Personally, if she were my employee....she would be history. I also think that with a little money in her pocket, she's gonna be right back where she was in a couple of months.