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Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
LOL...oh yeah Ladytex....forgot about that!!

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 6:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
she's reflected and she admits that she owes him an apology

Funny, Dick tries to apologize to Jen and most think that he is just being stupid and she shouldn't forgive him; however, Jameka SAYS that she is going to give him an apology, and the world is forever better...how does that work??

Napa1526
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07-14-2007

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Kind of like the old adage....do as I say...NOT as I do!! It's ok if I do it...I'm a devout christian and I will be forgiven...again, and again, and again, and again, and......but you do it once and you'll burn in hell.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
who said the world was forever better? GAL asked a question and I answered it.

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Countrydaze
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11-07-2003

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I still say I liked Jameka much better when she just said Hmmmmm ummmmmm hmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

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Thanks for your response, Lady. I'm glad to hear she's at least reflected on it.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
When I got up this morning I was reading about the overnight happenings. I clearly read that Jameka approached Dick with an apology for saying what she did about his mom. Dick wasn't having any of and refused the apology.

Now if this is what happened. I don't know. I just read about I didn't see it for myself.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
What did Jam say about Dick's mom? Is it on Youtube?

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

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She called his mom a B___. I saw it on Youtube here in the video thread. It was during their fight last night.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

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Thanks Belle - Geez, doubtful that God instructed her to say THAT. So she's gonna have to own it. What a household this year. Oy!

Minerva
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02-20-2007

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Joyfuld said:
Celtic I have had bad experiences such as that myself. Growing up in Tenn was no picnic. I am old enough to remember when blacks were not allowed into movies by so called good christians. My sisters and I were denied seats in a local movie theater by a very prominent white christian. It was devastating.
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Your story touched me. It brought back memories of my Grandmother working so hard to change the horrible way blacks were treated in the past in Tennessee. She was given a very hard time when she was working so hard to make the world a better place to live.

She grew up in the depression era and when she had a family of her own she planted acres of food just to pass out to underprivileged families (gardens that her and her Husband and kids worked)(yes, I worked in those gardens as well and it is very hard, hot and backbreaking work). I hated digging potatoes the most.

She had no "color in her eyes". She helped anyone who needed help. She spoke out in her church every single time there was a racial statement. What is surprising is she was a very quite woman who only spoke out when she knew things were wrong. She always had her scriptures ready to point out from the bible. She said that God gave her the scriptures because she never knew that she knew them until then.

At her funeral this past year her preacher spoke and said that he never once heard her say a bad thing about anyone. He said the worst thing that he ever heard her say about anyone was about a man who committed a crime and was in jail was "He was a good boy".

As tears are streaming down my face right now all I can say is my Christian Grandmother fought in a Christian way to overcome the problems in her small community and it hurts that she is no longer here on this earth to talk too. She always led by example and with her heart.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

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If she did apologize good for her. However, I don't think that anyone who is hurt should have to accept the apology.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

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Just because Jameka stumbled from her path for a moment does not make her a hypocrite. She has tried to stay on her path while in the house and that has not been easy with this bunch.Jameka is not my favorite and I think she is trying to float to the end and hopes that the jury will vote for the good person.I have never been a fan of that strategy but I feel the need to defend her beliefs,I really am not sure why.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Hey! I started this thread yesterday. How come I am listed as the third person and not the first?? What gives?

Sunnyside
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07-16-2007

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I am a little confused. I do not think Jameka or Amber is giving Christians a good name. At first I liked Jameka and admired her for sticking to what she believes but lately . . . I know like she said Christians are not prefect but I do not believe FY and GD are words that should be used. Especially as much as she uses them.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

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Two threads covering this subject were combined Rehtse. The other posts were made earlier and were originally in another thread.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
My -
I was raised in a strict church that was extremely intolerant of people and lifestyles. No make-up, no going to bowling alleys because of the "wrong element", and shunned divorced people. In the 70's Roe vs. Wade was everywhere and of course my church was against abortion. It was discussed in Sunday School, and while I would never choose to have an abortion I questioned the church's right to deny it to others. "What about free will?" I asked. I told my teacher that the decision was the woman's, not the church's. It was suggested then that I not continue with Sunday school. I was also asked to leave a church function once because I smelled of cigarette smoke and I never went back.
As I got older, and more in to scripture, I realized these were man's laws, not necessarily God's. I learned that Jesus accepted, nay welcomed, those society had no use for. To paraphrase scripture, Jesus asked who goes to a doctor...those who are healthy or those who are sick. And judge not, lest you be judged. I've found nothing in the Bible against cursing, only taking the Lord's name in vain (GD), but Christians should show the Christ in them by their actions because of society's perceptions of what a Christian should be. That's what I believe Jesus wants...to draw people to Him by our actions, not by our words. Society perceives Christians as pious, partly because of people like Jameka who believe that just because we are believers we are better than. Some Christians think that since they are believers, nothing bad will ever happen to them. When these people say "why me?" I answer "why not you?"
I watched the Dick and Jameka and Amber blow up, and was disgusted by Jameka's actions and words. She could have walked away, ignored him, or thrown scripture at him. If I had a dime for everytime she said 'your daughter and your mama' I could retire. I don't understand why she brought his mother into it.
I said it in another thread that I believe she is new in her faith. No Christian will ever be perfect, but all Christians should strive for growth. My opinion is that Jameka has a bit of growing to do.
As for Amber, I can't address her issues...they are many. Good people vs. bad people? In God's eyes, we're all bad people (for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God.)
Sorry I rambled on...I'm climbing down from my pulpit now.
The ushers will pass the offering plates now...lol

Martinidreams
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08-19-2005

Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 5:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Martinidreams a private message Print Post    
"I don't understand why she brought his mother into it."

I think Dick brought her up and to make a point Jameka said about his mom what dick was saying to her to point out that it made as much sense since dick really doesn't know Jameka any more than Jameka knows his mom. I think she even said as much during the "conversation" but I'd have to go back and watch to be sure.

(and for those who need the disclaimer, I'm not saying she was right in any way)

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

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Thx, Martinidreams. I watched the youtube clips and musta missed that part.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

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BlueJax.... Loved your post and what you said. I totally agree with you.

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

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I think what Jameka meant was that his mother and daughter are both Christians.
That's why she kept saying your momma and your daughter.
ED had said something about her being a Christian (it was hard to hear) and Jameka said that was all he had against her and it was sad, and them I believe she said so is your daughter and your momma, and then kept repeating it.
I may be wrong, it was several hours ago that I heard that convo, so I may be wrong.
The thing that Jameka does that bugs me is that she has a moral code that she set for herself and she judges others against it, and then tries to find scriptures to defend her points of view.
That makes me ill because a LOT of hate and evil has been done in this world throughout history from "righteous" people of many beliefs doing the same thing.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

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Exactly, Darclyte. Anyone can use scripture (Bible, Torah, Talmud, etc.) to serve their purpose. It just depends on their interpretation. Let's see, there were the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and now the Jihad. And they all had scripture to prove what they were doing was in the Lord's name. Bah!
I think that's what bugs me about Jameka...she's up on a pedestal and everyone that she deems as non-believers are "less than". Who is she to judge me? Or anyone, for that matter? Isn't that a form of prejudice? To me, being a Christian is about my relationship to God, nobody else's. Ultimately, I have to stand before Him at the end and account for the things I've done.
As to the Bible they're reading, is it the Bible or The Purpose Driven Life (I think that's the name of it?)
And Kearie, thanks for your post. Sometimes I think I'm the resident thread-killer...lol

Spunky
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10-08-2001

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It's not religion... It's strategy.

Gemma120in2002
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07-05-2003

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I was talking to a friend at work about who I would like to see win this year, and one of the people I wouldn't mind seeing win is Jameka. Her response was that she didn't want her to win because of how "weird she got with her religion after she played for the POV and gave up her right to play for HOH for 5 weeks."

I told her that she was horrified at what she had done to help someone else. That she had given up any chance of having contact from her own family and that she had allowed herself to become vulnerable in a very large way by giving up her right to compete for HOH. The reality of what she had done hit he like a ton of bricks and she was horrified at the results of her own actions. My co-worker couldn't understand how she could react so strongly or so religiously over the top.

I pointed out that they have been in the house for more than a month. There is nothing to distract them from the game. The issues of the game become all-consuming. I pointed out that she doesn't know what it's like to live in that shark tank 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Everything becomes magnified and more intense than it would be in a normal balanced life.

Turning to her religion and her beliefs in such a strong way might not be her normal behavior, but normal behavior stopped on July 5th.

I don't think that any of what we see is indicative of what the person is like in their normal daily lives. I think that they have become caricatures of themselves. There are positive and negative traits that are exaggerated in this isolated environment, and they are adapting in order to survive in this artificial society.

I do think that we see who they are, but in exaggerated degrees. Is Eric this way in his normal daily life? Probably to a much lesser degree. Is Dick this aggressive and belligerent in his normal life? Not to this degree. If he was, he wouldn't be able to keep an employee for more than a partial shift.

I think that in this game people turn to their religion more strongly than they normally would because there is no balance in this life. Just as people who shun religion in their normal lives will shun it more strongly. Then there are people like Alison who will use religion as a tool or weapon in order to gain an advantage in the game.

Wow, do I like to hear myself talk or what? Oh well, that's my take on it for whatever it's worth.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That's a very interesting point Gemma. If we agree that people's characteristics and actions become exaggerated in that sort of a closed high-pressure environment, then it is reasonable to think that the same may apply to someone's expression of their religious beliefs.