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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: I f Zach wins part 3 of HOH who will he take with him?: Archive through September 13, 2007 users admin

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Delilah
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07-08-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delilah a private message Print Post    
I'm not so sure Zach would be a slam dunk ... even against Dick.

Zach was often arrogant and condesending in his conversations with the HGs - a key reason many of them did not like him much.

A few missteps in his F2 answers - something a little too arrogant or a back-handed insult to how the other HGs played the game - and they might decide to VOTE AGAINST Zach ... rather than VOTE FOR Dick. (outomce is the same, but the motivation is different.)

Plus, with the high Zach is on because of winning so many comps lately, Zach really needs to choose his words carefully in the F2 Q and A, if he makes it.

Allysmom
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09-19-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allysmom a private message Print Post    
From what I can remember of past seasons the final evictee doesn't go to the Jury house because there's not enough time - although this year could be different since the Jury house seems to be somewhere in So Cal and therefore reasonably close. Who knows? If Zach doesn't make F2 it is going to make for a very sombre mood in the Jury house seeing as none of them want a Donato to win. I'm anxiously awaiting for this whole thing to be over and done with - I can't stand either Donato. Wouldn't it be hilarious though if Zach makes F2, takes Dani with him and she comes in 2nd? Remember how they don't give much attention at all to the runner-up at the end??? It's almost like an after thought...I can just see her face now!! OMG, she'll be stomping and having a hissy fit and telling everyone it sucks and they just don't understand!!! Can't wait!!

Landslide305
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08-15-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landslide305 a private message Print Post    
I'm rooting for D or D, but honestly, I can't see Dick beating Zach because of the vile, hurtful stuff he's said to the hgs. They may have forgiven but they will not forget.

Dani has a much better chance of winning against Zach because she has played so hard and won so much. Zach really didn't play until the end when most of the hgs were already gone.

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
Ok ..... lemme put this theory out there to you and see what you think. I think Dick will beat Zach if they are in the finals together and this is why....

I'm giving Zach Dustin and Jen's votes and Dick Eric (because of AP) and Dani's votes.

As for the rest of them (Amber, Meka and Jess) despite the things he did to them they all basically got along with Dick and were "friends" with him over the course of the season. Even if you don't totally agree with that, I think you'd at least agree that they were more friendly with Dick than they were with Zach. Think about it, who were they spending so much much time with? Dick. And what were they doing when they were hanging out with him? They were bashing Zach.

Zach has played a good game in recent weeks. But was he even playing during the middle of the game when they were all there? I dont know for certain so guaranteed that they dont either. Remember last week when Zach tried to tell Meka about what he'd done all season and her first answer was "huh?" Even if he was able to convince HER, I dont see her being able to go back and convince the whole jury.

So Zach is left with two major obstacles .... dislike by the jury and perceived lack of game play. I dont think he can overcome that esp. when you throw in what I believe to be the jury's ultimate respect for Dick.

When you think of people who have been given wins out of spite (Lisa for example) they are players that the jury liked. Again, the jury spent most of the season bashing Zach.

I could go into another long post about my theory that those on the jury, on a subconscious level, WANTED to be accepted and liked by Dick which explains why they never defended each other to him while he was on his tirades, but I'll spare you. (ha ha)

Ultimately, I only see Zach getting Dustin and Jen's votes (and maybe not even Dustin's because I think Dustin will side with his friends either for or against.)

I realize Eric can't vote for himself, but he CAN lobby one side over the other. Again, he basically liked Dick more than Zach and he's too much of a fan of reality TV to give the win out of spite to a preceived "non player."

I see Dustin and Eric as the two key jurors. I think it will come down to who can be the most pursuasive.

Does that make any sense? Am I TOTALLY off base here? Thoughts?

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
And one more question ....

Any time Dick was nominated or almost voted out, was that because they disliked him? Or because he was considered a threat (and by "threat" I mean "strong presence in the game")?

I think there's your answer.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
ITA Clio..miss you around here!!

Ace232521
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09-09-2004

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ace232521 a private message Print Post    
Why would you automatically think the AP vote would go to Dick. I think the tide did a whole lot of turning this past week, and I believe it would be a complete toss up.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I don't think the jury would be able to stomach a Dick win unless they're forced to-If it's Dick/Zach, if Zach can make a decent jury questioning phase Saturday (they were told that last night), I think he could do it. Against Dani it might be tougher, but still, I think Zach could do a better job swaying people over ot his side, at least enough to make it close one way or the other.

Mssas
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08-04-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
I think if Zach wins HOH it really doesn't matter who he takes as I truly believe all those in the Jury house will vote for Zach. JMHO

Gabby01
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07-27-2007

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gabby01 a private message Print Post    
he said he wants to take dick to the final he thinks he can beat him but not dani. im not so sure the jury wont vote for zach over dick. i think theyre still smarting from all of dicks abuse but who knows how they will vote this year.

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Clio, excellent points. As much as I want to see Zach in the F2 because I think a D/D F2 would be boring I am not sure he can win against either of them.

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
And for those of you who missed it,

check out these two clips

of Dick, Meka and Zach discussing the whole season last Saturday. They spend the whole time talking about what great game play Dick and Dani had. Zach even says "you were like a father to me, I enjoyed hanging out with you" and "great game play man!"

Says a lot right there.

Ace, I dont think it will be a landslide AP vote for Dick, Zach has a lot of supporters, but I still think Dick has the edge.

Again, Dick is not like other "hated" players in the past. Dustin and Jen are really the only to who truly disliked him. Everyone else, aside for a couple of fights, got along with him. Right? Am I totally off base in my thinking?

Thanks Earth.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
I think "everyone else" pretended to get along with Dick so as not to bring down the wrath of Dick upon them. Now that they're out of his clutches, so to speak, I think it's a different story.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Clio intereting thoughts there. I think I'm leaning towards a Jury that just simply will not be able to get past the harrassment. I don't care how much Jameka said to Dick and Danielles face how good their game was. She does not want that family getting the larger amount of money. I do think that there is nothing but complete hatred brewing in that jury house for The Donatos. Jen said she'd vote for Dick or Danielle if they were taken to the finals but that was game talk. She was trying to make sure no one would take them. They both treated her like garbage. If Zach is up against either Donato she'll give it to him over the Donato. You've got Jessica who was promised final 4 by them and then screwed over. Out of all the people who departed she is the only one I saw a glimps of being pissed. You've got Amber who Dick verbally attacked as a mother. Jameka who he verbally attaked. I just think Dick went a bit too far with the verbage and no matter how weak they might think Zachs game was it's going to be that horrid verbage that will cost Dick the game. Danielle I believe will also suffer greatly by association. If her father is sitting on that jury his pressence alone will tell them if she wins it means he wins and there is no way they will want that. Thats just my take on it. I think this group is not going to be forgiving at all when it comes to the Donatos. If it's Zach and Dick I think it will be a 5-2 vote for Zach. If it's Danielle and Zach I think it will be 6-1 for Zach. If it's both Donatos I think they will give the larger amount to Danielle and be even more repulsed when they find out how the AP became a golden ticket for the Donatos.

Once again I do want to say I really enjoyed your thoughts. Very interesting. I love stuff like that. :-)

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
I also agree with Aurora about how the house really feels about The Donatos. I think they played nice to his face to avoid his wrath. Now that the game is essentially over and they will decide who gets the money my guess is that they hope at least one Donato walks through that jury door and that they will pulverize the one left in the house and give the money to Zach as a big huge screw you to the Donatos.

Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
Maybe I'm completely offbase Clio, but I'm thinking that Zach will win against either of the Donatos in a final two situation.

Despite Dick's popularity on the CBS poll, I think the AP vote will definitely go for Zach and I just don't think the houseguests will be willing reward the tirades of Dick or whining of Dani in the end. Despite the floater status Zach is labeled with, I think they'll all love the idea of undermining a Donato win in the end.

Won't it be fun though to see the finale though? :-) I'm looking forward to seeing if any of us are right...LOL

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
C1, ..... those are very strong possibilities and that fact that you at least find my opinion interesting gives me hope that I'm not totally off base lol ..... however (you knew that was coming) ...

As for them not being able to get past the harassment ... they DID get past the harassment, sometimes as quickly as 24 hours later. Amber, Meka, Eric (who's opinion still matters) all left on good terms with Dick. As you said Jessica kinda didn't, but she is physically incapable of forming her own opinions and will do whatever her friends do (I dont say that to be mean, it's the truth.) So for them to do a complete 180 and not give him the win because they're mad at him, one of two things have to happen. Either they are total BS artists who were faking their emotions (and unfortunately Aurora, they're not that bright) or they got swayed by Dustin. I conceed that the latter is a very strong possibility.

As I said, it will all come down what Dustin/Eric think and how much sway they have.

As for Jen, I 100% agree with you C1. If she votes for D/D I'll be completely surprised. I think her vote this year will be like Marci's vote last yeat. But just like last year, my guy wont need it anyway.

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
And re: Aurora's comment ... I dont mean that the jury got along with him just to his face ..... even when they were alone without him around they got along with him. Why fake it then? See what I mean? Sure, they got mad at him and bahsed him sometimes ..... but it was NEVER like it was with Zach. Again? Am I crazy? Isn't that the way you all remember it?

Mssas
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08-04-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
Gone but never forgotten. Hopefully Jen will remind them. :-)

What I find weird is how none of them would stand up to him. That has truly amazed me with this bunch.

ISTA Northwestblonde.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
They never expected Zach to get to final 2. They felt safe bashing him because he wasn't a factor in who went to final 2 in their eyes. They knew there was a huge chance that Dick would make it and if they were there with him he would pick them. They also were unsure of who did or did not like Dick for precisely the reasons you gave, Clio. Because everyone seemed to recover from their dislike of him and maybe the person they complained to would take it back to Dick.

They all wanted to get to final 3 and played that strategy while dismissing Zach.

In my opinion anyway.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Clio I think in some ways it was a con on their part to rise above his behavior within 24hrs in the house. You had two choices. Sit hidden in a corner out of fear or swallow hard and go suck up to him and move on with the game. They were stuck with him so the later seemed to be the only choice. Leaving out the door with some class is the way to go. It doesn't mean they still don't feel highly insulted to the point that they won't let all of Dicks garbage be rewarded in the end.

I don't know if you remember the roundtable meeting in the HOH the Saturday Dick won the veto when he and Dani were nominated by Jessica. Ironically every single person who is now on the jury was in that room and the overwhelming consensus was complete hatred for that family. I don't think that hatred ever changed. None of them wanted them near that money. Unfortunately, the whole AP situation really screwed up their game plans.

The tactics Dick used went so far over the line I believe it's impossible to even respect his game. It makes it impossible to give someone like that the larger amount of money. I was actually shocked at what they all really thought of Danielle. They saw things in her that I hadn't even noticed and when they were pointed out I started paying closer attention.

I also can't forget that Eric holds a very important bit of information in regard to Dick staying in the game. Did Dick really earn this in the traditional way or was he salvaged with some outside help? So I don't think Eric is going to look at Dick as some great game player nor is he going to toot Dicks horn if Dick is in the finals knowing what he knows. This time around Eric will not be forced to campaign for anyone because his pay is over. If America wants to throw their vote to Dick let them but Eric will have his own voice and I see him trying his best to make sure Dick doesn't get the larger amount of money. I think he will side with Dustin in the villifying of the Donatos knowing he would have voted Dick out if he had not been the AP.

I honestly feel that Dick went too far with them.

Onlymytulips
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07-17-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlymytulips a private message Print Post    
The jury have had time to relax from the "strategy" of Dick's. Compare it to the aftermath of a great hurricane storm. You are stunned that it happened to you, first off. You find refuge and emotional comfort in others that endured the horrific events. Each have their own stories, but they all are personally ghastly.
When Zach wins over Dick, he won't be considered a hero but, more as a symbol of the light after the storm.
Therefore, the jury will be voting for Zach.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I think if Zach takes Dick to the finals, he loses Jameka's vote, because he told her he'd take Dani. Also, I don't know how well it will go over with the jury when Jameka tells them how, out of the blue, Zach found God because of her (she looked surprised when he made that speech). I'm hoping they will vote for the people who have been playing the game all along, not the one they didn't vote out because there were stronger players to get out first.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
It's really too bad if it has to be a non Donato final 2 that it isn't Dick and Eric. Eric and Dick are hated by a lot of the houseguests. Would have been more interesting to see which way that one went. I am holding out hope for a Dick/Dani final two. I am afraid if D/D are in final 2 with Zach, Zach will win because the jurors can't look past emotions. But I am stil hoping!!

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
C1mag I agree with your post. The one thing that's giving me some cautious optimism is that all the HGs are in another location for the past few weeks, without Dick's presence in there to intimidate them and influence their thoughts as he did in the BB house. They have had lots of time to wrap their heads around a lot of things. With the little BB showed us of the Jury house, Dustin and Jen being there for a week without anyone else, I'm sure had lots of time to talk.
If Zach wins part3 its still a tough decision for him on who to take to F2. Do you take a chance and take Dick because you are risking the HGs won't vote for him because of his actions, or Daniele who has won lots of comps for sure, but at this point Zach has also done extremely well. The difference being that the HGS had seen Dani win comps but not Zach insomuch. I certainly hope at the end the clear message to Eric to evict DAniele if he stayed in the house, would show a confirmation to Eric that she wasn't America's "all that".