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What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
As the Summer comes to an end, let us remember one of the major things we have learned this summer -- this is not a game.

No less an authority than the FCC has studied what goes on and stated the producers predetermine the end. Since the FCC has access to anything and everything they need from BB to mkae this determination and none of the rest of us do, we have to accept their determination that Alison decides who wins.

What has gone on in the house all summer, what is going on in the house now and what will be going on until 9/18 and how the show will end is legally defined as predetermined by the producers (or pre-ordrained, as Jam might so correctly say).

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
The FCC said the status of the show was an entertainment show and not a game show. They did not say that they studied the show and determined it was entertainment. They did not say that Big Brother intended it ever to be a game show.

All we know is that the category/license that Big Brother obtained was that of an entertainment program.

If Big Brother was a game show they could not have America's Player. They could not have an uneven playing field where some players know each other and some didn't. They could not change the rules of the game mid-way and have extra prizes.

Making the show entertainment simply allows Big Brother the option to do whatever they choose, as things evolve to "shake up that game", apply "twists" and generally make the game more interesting, even to the detriment of a or a group of players.

None of that means the winner is predetermined.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
What,

there were some excellent posts on that Congratulations Alison thread, but I can't find it anywhere. Disappeared into thin air.

I only want to say I'm disappointed to see it disappeared as there were excellent arguments in there, at least up to the point I had left that thread, don't know what happened after I left the discussion to go to sleep.

I think a lot of viewers think as you do What, but also so many will come back again and again congratulating BB producers for the best show of the series.

It's a no win situation. Some people like it hot, some people like it cold, and some people (like me and you) like it just right.
It's the goldilocks theory and one that rarely comes by.

Mssas
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08-04-2006

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
None of that means the winner is predetermined.

oooooooooooooooKAY! <--said in her Dani voice.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I was being serious, Mssas. The statement from the FCC had no relevance to the question of whether the winner is predetermined. The statement merely means that they winner could be predetermined and the show would not breach any rules.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Just because the cheerleader didn't win, doesn't make it a conspirecy.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It is no surprise that BB manipulates the show and the houseguests. That is why it is called Big Brother!

I don't think they predetermine who wins though. There are too many variables. Even BB can't do that (or there is a vast conspiracy with all of the houseguests as co-conspirators).

Save the cheerleader!!!!

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I just think it's a lot of fun to watch, and that's why I watch it.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Too late Jimmer. I think there's a spray to ward off cheerleaders. Spotted it at the hardware store.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I don't believe the producers of BB "FIX" the outcome of this show....

With that being said, I don't understand the disappointment or indignation IF it was a staged show...with a pre-determined outcome.

Every movie I watch is that way...Every sitcom and drama show is that way...Every BOOK I read has a pre-determined outcome.

So..why exactly is a pre-determined outcome a bad or immoral thing for an entertainment show?

I don't get it...

Landslide305
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08-15-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landslide305 a private message Print Post    
BB can guide the hgs but it's of their own choosing and freewill who they vote out. They can skew a comp toward one player but there's been some that have come so close (Dustin vs Ed in the croquet, eg). Unless I hear that this a pre-scripted show with paid actors, then I'll always believe that there is not a pretermined winner of it all.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Kep- Dick's son Vincent is secretly producing the show. Allison is Dick's long lost sister also.

Landslide305
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08-15-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landslide305 a private message Print Post    
LOL Ambi. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
It's hard for me to imagine that anyone thinks BB doesn't try to influence the show. That was very clear when they brought Kaysar back a few seasons back. :-)

At the same time, BB can't possibly predict when people will do silly things - like Kail believing Dani's promise; or Kaysar taking his hand off the key either.

So, yes, it's manipulated to increase the drama and ratings, and to try to keep the audience favorites on as long as possible. But the players still have a certain amount of free will, so they do what they will -sometimes to our dismay, and sometimes to the producers' dismay.

Smrtass
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09-11-2000

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 2:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smrtass a private message Print Post    
I thought it was obvious last season that they manipulated the show - in Janie's favor. (Now don't jump all over me, I was a Janie fan for both of her seasons, too). I have no evidence, this is strictly conjecture on my part. Obviously, they didn't do it enough for her to win.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
I went outside at about 1pm here in Texas today...thought I felt just a touch of Fall! Now that is something to be thankful for!

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I still hope the ants will keep bugging Dick...
finally some little creatures are on my side.... go ants go!! Go get him!!!

Bygdatty
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08-25-2007

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bygdatty a private message Print Post    
It's the lesson of BB1. BB1 saw the most controversial houseguests leave the show early..Will Mega, Jordan, Brittany. And the show lost ratings to the point where they tried to bribe a castmember to leave to put in someone with a pulse.

(Okay, don't jump all over me. I really enjoyed BB1. I especially liked when it was down to three poeple and Curtis and Eddie were sitting on the sofa watching Josh do a homoerotic drunken dance. Hilarious! But I digress....)

Remember that Big Brother was supposed to be as big a hit as Survivor in the U.S. It wasn't and never has been. So every year, they've tinkered with it to tweak ratings. They definitely don't want controversial (i.e. ratings getters) houseguests to go early.

Now I don't like Evel Dick or his spawn but it's clear that storyline was good for ratings, so the producers did what they had to do to keep them in the game. AP did nothing but help the Ds and we have no way of knowing if the voting was legit. No independent company has verified it.

But with all that said, I say get used to it. This will be the future of BB. They love all the controversy this season. I have no doubt ED will be back to host a veto comp or something next season.

Forget any integrity in this "game." This is an entertainment show. A partially scripted entertainment / reality show. Sure, I'd like them to pick a dozen "real" people who want to do this show. I'd like them to disqualify actors or wannabe actors or people with agents. I wish they wouldn't shop for models to put on this show. Put a fifty something year old grandma in there. Put an obese person in there to reflect America. Do Hispanics even exist in the land of BB? How about just regular people. They can fit certain stereotypes. That would be fine.

What about...

1. Back woods country boy from Georgia
2. Young Republican
3. Seattle tree hugger
4. Inner city black guy
5. Hispanic illegal immigrant
6. Farm girl from Iowa
7. Rich girl from New York
8. Grandma
9. Social conservative religious woman
10.Amateur porn peddler
11.Weightlifting jock
12.Stunningly beautiful woman with an MBA

But just real people. And you put them in the house with zero contact with people. No calls home. No letters from home. No favorite blankets and woobies. and no special guests hosts for vetos or comps. This show should partly be about deprivation. It should be a sociological experiment in addition to an entertaining game.

I'll shut up now.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Latin BB's- Dana and Robert, BB4, Ivette, BB6. <77>

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darclyte a private message Print Post    
That is not what the FCC said.
The FCC does not define BB as a "game show" because
of the way that the contestants discuss the game
with the producers during the course of the game.
After the first season of Survivor, CBS was sued by a contestant who stated that the producers "fixed" the game. CBS had to concede that by merely asking the contestants about each day's events, the thought processes of the contestants could be indirectly altered. Therefore, the outcome is not straight forward such as in a game show or sporting event. The FCC then classified BB as an entertainment show, like WWE, since the outcome could be influenced by the producers of the show (even if inadvertently or indirectly.) That does not mean that the end result is predetermined, but it also does mean that it could happen.
ETA The FCC also classifies Survivor the same way.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
It's hard for me to imagine that anyone thinks BB doesn't try to influence the show. That was very clear when they brought Kaysar back a few seasons back.

At the same time, BB can't possibly predict when people will do silly things - like Kail believing Dani's promise; or Kaysar taking his hand off the key either.

So, yes, it's manipulated to increase the drama and ratings, and to try to keep the audience favorites on as long as possible. But the players still have a certain amount of free will, so they do what they will -sometimes to our dismay, and sometimes to the producers' dismay.


I agree completely. Of course there is editing, of course they are going to talk to people and give them suggestions, but people have this thing called free will and no matter what, nobody can take that from you.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 6:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Absolutely, as demonstrated by Jen nominating Kaysar and Janelle voting Will out, neither of which probably made BB very happy. And those are just two examples.

If the HGs really wanted Dick to go, they would have voted him out and there would have been no way for BB to stop them.

Plus it was just skill and luck that they won the POV when they needed it (it was a matter of inches). It would have been a completely different game if Dick hadn't won it and vetoed Daniele. They both would have still been on the block.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I think all Alison had to do was apologize to the audience and explain that she's just as astonished as we are but couldn't disappoint the many fans that still enjoy that kind of fun and will try harder to admonish Dick to stop insulting the others on all levels, personal and game wise.

I think an apology to those who don't like what happened this season would have made a big difference.

Redpen
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07-24-2003

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redpen a private message Print Post    
I agree with Spunky. The failure of production staff to censure Dick's behavior was what ruined the summer for me. Horrible misogyny. If Allison, a woman, would have released some sort of statement condemning his actions, a lot of fans' anger would be relieved.

Shelby6100
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08-02-2007

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shelby6100 a private message Print Post    
Kep, I don't think you can compare a reality show to a movie, book, sitcom or drama show. BB made money off of the viewers that chose to vote per tex message. If the show is in anyway "fixed", they are scamming the viewers by taking their money.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, September 10, 2007 - 3:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Shelby...
Everyone connected with the publishing of a book is ultimately paid by those who read that book. Same with sitcoms and shows. Viewers do end up indirectly paying for what they see on tv. So I do think my anaolgy is fair.

And I don't know about anyone else, but I've not been "scammed" into spending one dime or penny to watch BB in all the years I've been watching...

Jennyrom
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07-24-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jennyrom a private message Print Post    
It's been a long summer of ups and downs and for me it's over. Take care everyone. See ya'll next summer.

TV Club House ROCKS!!!!!!!!!

ETA: See ya'll next summer.

Shelby6100
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08-02-2007

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 6:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shelby6100 a private message Print Post    
Kep, I still don't get your analogy. I think if you'll read my post again you'll see I didn't say anything about people "watching BB" being "scammed". If a viewer chooses to vote per text message BB is making money off of their vote, therefore, if BB is "fixed" they would be scamming the text message voters.