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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:05 pm
Well, while you all are judging, go ahead and judge me and call me a hypocrite, because I believe in praying out loud, in public, in private...where ever I feel the need to pray! If things get really rough at work (McDonald's) I will starting praying out loud and have sung "Kumbaya, my Lord". If you are Christian, then you know that it is ONLY the LORD'S place to judge anyone and to decide whether they are being hypocritical or not.
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:05 pm
Okay, I am a Wiccan, have said it here before. I guess they need to put me in the house next year and see what they do. I can cast a circle, they can play eeerie music and the sound of witches cackling...if I ever point a finger they can make appropriate sound effects. If I win HOH and call someone into the HOH room they can dub over "Come here my pretty" and then insert cackling of Elphaba from Wizard of Oz. It could be fun! But then, I would also have to educate the other hamsters about the no-no of running water while brushing their teeth and other environmental/conservation issues, as that is important to me as a Wiccan and a steward of this planet.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:16 pm
"If you are Christian, then you know that it is ONLY the LORD'S place to judge anyone and to decide whether they are being hypocritical or not." I think if you read 1 Corinthians 4 and 5, you will see that it is okay to judge fellow christians...and it is okay to ask them to leave the church if their sinning is hurting the church. However, it's not okay to judge non-christians. Why??? Because a Christian church can't grow if non-believers see Christians being hypocritical. Just my 2 cents worth. I hope that when Jam and Amber get out of the BB house, their pastor or a fellow Christian, will let them know that their behavior on big brother was inappropriate for a Christian trying to serve God.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:17 pm
My husband who is not a BB watcher of any sort walked in as the church music was going and cracked up and asked me if I was ready for another glass of wine. No offense taken by me it actually was funny. I applaud tptb for making "lite" (sorta kinda) of the holliness that is in the BB house. But you know what Dick's hellish behavior and all the bible stuff cancel each other out.
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Askme_who_ur
Member
08-19-2006
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:28 pm
Kimsue... the reason I find it mocking is because they are using hokie organ music. If it was a popular- inspirational- uplifting christian song it would be different.The organ music isn't meant to reinforce that these women are spiritual, it is meant to poke fun of them/ maybe all Christians. I agree with Kearie ... we are meant to serve God not to expect him to be Santa Claus and fill our Christmas list. Amber prayers consist of a list she wants God to fill. Jameka I see as praying for guidance. Neither of them are perfect , just as NONE of the rest of the house is.
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Northshore
Member
08-10-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:34 pm
If they're going to play music based on contestants beliefs then they should do it for everyone. Dustin - "It's raining men" ED - "Highway to Hell" Dani - "I'm a Barbie Girl" I can't stand the organ music. It's rude and meant to poke fun at someone's beliefs. Not cool
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:36 pm
Kearie Member 07-21-2005 Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:16 pm I think if you read 1 Corinthians 4 and 5, you will see that it is okay to judge fellow christians...and it is okay to ask them to leave the church if their sinning is hurting the church. 1 Corinthians 4:4 says For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..." So if everyone has sinned then only God the only perfect being can judge me.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:48 pm
Please read both chapters in their entirity and you will understand the whole message...not just the one verse. If people in the church...or in the fellowship group is sinning in a way that hurts the mission of the church growing, then you can confront the person with love and if they don't change their ways...it is acceptable to ask them to leave the church until they mend their ways. If a non-christian looks at a Christian and says, WOW...look what they are doing...I don't want to be like that...a hypocrite...the church and God's message WILL NOT spread. Granted...EVERYONE sins...(In my belief system) Christians don't get a free pass to sin, just because they are forgiven or can ask for forgiveness. Jameka believing that God is their to help her win...to bless her greed...well, to me, that's not the kind of message God wants Christians to show to non-christians. I find the organ music making fun of Jam's and Amber's hypocricy, not Christianity. Er, gonna thro in a verse of my own. "Not by works of rightousness, which we have done, but according to HIS Mercy, He saved us." I don't think any of that indicates Christians are the "good people" and non-christians are bad. Christians aren't the "Good people". The Bible certainly doesn't teach that.
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Cheekychops
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:51 pm
I did chuckle when they played it as Jameka was having her meltdown having tossing 5 HOH's away and Jen was going on about giving out Easter eggs. But now its gone into overkill and its not funny. They are mocking them now.
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Chicogirl
Member
07-23-2007
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:53 pm
I attend an old Catholic church that still plays organ music every Sunday morning. I find nothing hokey about the music. I do find it funny that it is being played while they are praying. I have yet to see either one of them thank God for all he has done for them in the game so far, but I do hear alot of requests being made by them.
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:57 pm
And I haven't stated that Christians are the "Good people" and non-Christians are the "bad people". On that we do agree... And I do see your point...in our church, it would go to the board and the board votes on it. The board is voted in by members of the church...but we do believe in praying for the person and asking God to send the Holy Spirit to guide this person. I think it would take a whole lotta sinning to have someone voted out of our church. To have someone ex-communicated from the church would be something not done on a whim! In fact, in all my life spent in the church I have never heard of anyone being ex-communicated.
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Mlt
Member
09-18-2002
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 2:59 pm
I found the organ music offensive. In fact, I, like others above, am seriously reconsidering whether to even watch this show anymore (and I've been watching this show faithfully since the first show of the first season). It wasn't Amber or Jamanka that I felt were being mocked. I felt as if the producers were mocking Christianity. Are my feelings a correct reaction to the show? I don't know, but they are my feelings. I'm just sort of glad to find that others had the same reaction. 'Cause afterwards when I was looking around the net, all I saw was people laughing at the organ music and that made me feel really bad. (Anyway, those are just my feelings)
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Veander
Member
07-02-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:02 pm
The way these two girls are using their religion in this show sickens me. They are a disgrace to religious people everywhere and should forever be made fools over their time in the house. Both of them, specifically Jameka, are the reason why religious numbers in the US are going down... so, I guess it's ok for me.
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Veander
Member
07-02-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:04 pm
Also making comparisons with Kaysar is comparing apples to oranges. Kaysar never cried out loud to god about his problems in the house. Likely he used Muslim prayers, but these two girls are bastardizing Christianity more than any humorous organ music ever could.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:04 pm
The organ music in my opinion is CBS' way of making Jameka look like a nut job.Their soap opera has only two stars Dick the understanding father and Daniele his young and frustrated daughter.That Young and the Restless music they play everytime they show D/D talking makes me want to puke.Dick has had a few rants aired but most of his vile actions have been swept under the rug to protect their twisty family soap opera.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:05 pm
It may not happen in today's society, but it is in the Bible, never-the-less. Christians can judge other Christians behaviors and are EXPECTED to confront them about sins, specificly if they put off non-christians. Back in the day, couples of divorce were often shunned by church congregations. Some churches are very judgmental about divorce.
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Veander
Member
07-02-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:08 pm
Only other point I wanted to make is that you can't be serious that this makes you feel bad. Christianity isn't by itself humorous. What these two girls are doing is humorous and silly. If anyone in my family acted like that in public, everyone would wonder what was wrong with them. Dick is clearly incapable of controlling his emotions, but he isn't using religion, or his lack-thereof, to support his positions. He gets riled up, then the religious girls go ape and thus gives him something to prod at them with.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:09 pm
"Both of them, specifically Jameka, are the reason why religious numbers in the US are going down... so, I guess it's ok for me." I agree. I see non-christians looking at Jameka and saying..."See, that's why I don't want to be a Christian. They are so judgmental and hypocritical." Jameka and Amber are examples of the negatively, stereotyped Christian.
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Veander
Member
07-02-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:10 pm
See Caprica, they play that music for D/D but when Christianity is messed with, oh my, let's boycott them! It's a TV show, get over it. (edit: sorry didn't mean that to you, just in general)
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Veander
Member
07-02-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:11 pm
Actually Kearie, though I'm not totally sure where you were going, it says in the Bible that Christians are to ignore or not communicate with non-believers. But like anything else the Bible you can read it a couple different ways, I'll bet. I had a friend who was really religious and always mentioned that talking to an atheist like me was a sin or something. Of course, he read it a different way to allow him to talk to me.
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:13 pm
If Christians are to ignore or not communicate with non-believers, why are they always knocking on my door?
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:15 pm
I have NEVER seen where it says not to communicate with non believers! In fact, Christ told the Apostles to go out to the Gentiles and preach. To not preach only to the Jews anymore.
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:16 pm
LOL Celticlass...sorry not me this time...I am innocent of knocking on your door! 
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, August 13, 2007 - 3:16 pm
Wonder how Christians are supposed to share God's word if they don't talk to non-christians. Does that mean missionaries are not doing the will of God? Every Christian was a non-believer at some point. A christian, at some point, had to have talk to a non-christian...to help spread the News.
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