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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: Dani deserves final 2 as much as Dick does: Archive through September 16, 2007 users admin

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Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassynegal a private message Print Post    
I think both Dick and Dani earned the final 2. They were in an alliance and they needed each other and the alliance for both to get to the end.

Dani worked hard at studying the house, paying attention and remembering the details and winning the competitions. How many hours did she stare at memory wall?

Dick played the mind game. He became the person everyone wanted to be in the final 2 with because everyone hated him.

Together they became the perfect team and strategized to keep themselves in the game. Yes Dick saved Dani with the POV - but maybe they figured they had a better chance convincing the house to keep Dick than they would if Dani was up.

We have been so quick to 'throw her under the bus' and I don't understand why. Just because they were a father and daughter alliance? They had a successful alliance that was never broke up - that is huge - especially considering everyone knew that dad and daughter weren't going to turn on each other.

Dani gets upset after questions and we again jump all over it and say it's because she lost to her dad. It seemed to me in thier conversation it's because the houseguests didn't think she played a good game - which she feels she worked hard at doing.

As for thier relationship - it truly isn't our business - we don't know what will happen when the shows over, all I know is I hope for the best and I hope Dani doesn't spend one second reading the horrible things people are saying about her. Put ourselves in her shoes - if that was my dad and I was in the house with him for that long, I am sure I'd be grumpy with him and mad at him alot. Gosh, I don't know if I could be in there that long with my parents and not be crazy..... But I guess it's easier to not go there...

Bottomline - they both played a good game and although I didn't agree with Dick's actions in the game it worked for him. Shame on the rest of the house for not getting them out sooner. Funny how everyone wanted Dani out first as she was the better competitor but now everyone thinks she didn't deserve to be in the final 2.

Congratulations to both and I hope neither waste a minute after the game reading the internet posts about them, but take some time away from it all to work through thier problems.

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
I agree they both worked hard to get to final 2 and they both deserve it. They should not let some questions from a bunch of losers bother them.

Cmist
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09-20-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cmist a private message Print Post    
I think Dani deserves to win aas much aaas Dick also but I don't see it happening. I think it will be the jury's last chance to hurt them both personally because they know Dick loves his daughter and it is the one thing they can do to get to him. The only other thing I see that may tip the balance is that Dani's brattiness has affected the AP vote and will make Eric work hard to get Dick votes. The personal stuff really should not be an issue when it comes to choosing a winner but I feel it will. Dani still is a winner and I hope if she gets 2nd she realizes that winning 1st is not all it's cracked up to be. Move on and grow as a person.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
If the interpretation I am reading on this Board is correct -- that Dick thought they had an alliance and played for both of them and she was just using him but playeing her own game -- then clearly Dani is the better player because she played Dick as well.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I disagree, What. As is often stated, the social game is as is important as the competitions. I believe it's Dick's clear focus on someone other than himself, i.e. Dani, and something other than the money, that being his relationship with his daughter, that is going to give him the win. As brutal as Dick's behavior was at times, most of the people in the house found something to like about him or a decent conversation occasionally. The same can't be said about Dani. Even in a wash on the general social game, Dick displayed something that Dani never did - complete and utter selflessness on behalf of his daughter. I said elsewhere that this is the reason Dani threw her Dad that last veto - so it would give the appearance that she was protecting him also. Except, there was nothing to protect at that point Jameka was going home no matter how you look at it. She simply wanted it to appear to the jury that she had an equal investment in the ass-saving department.

Dani was also a candy-ass at the physical competitions. There's no way the jury could look at Dick standing on that stump for 8 hours to try and save himself and his daughter while Dani, following her oopsie, told him how great he was doing and she loved him (as far as I know, that's the only time those words have come out of her mouth - when she needed something from him) and see who was really carrying the load between the two of them.

Dick has demonstrated heart and guts. Dani has demonstrated an ability to win competitions as long as they're not inconvenient to her. I think they both belong in the finals, and I think Dick will win for, lord help me, his more human qualities.

Meagain
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07-20-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meagain a private message Print Post    
Sadly, I think this jury is giving it to Dani which is 'exactly' why she got reamed. :-( Of course it makes me sick to say it.

The BB house is a flat out tradgedy right now. For Dick. :-(

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I haven't been watching the feeds for a couple days, but I have always wanted Dani to win over Dick. She was a killer in competitions and smart about strategy. I wanted to see her play without her dad there and never got the chance. I hope she wins. All of this father-daughter relationship crap is really tiresome. That's something to be worked out in the real world.

Mickiej
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07-26-2004

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mickiej a private message Print Post    
Without the ability to know exactly what the questions from the jury were, it seems to me the jury made their point with how they felt the Donatos' played their game. It appears Amber's question was very personal, and while I don't agree with that direction, it was her option. I think early on Dani was really playing for herself in the competitions (even in an alliance), but Dick's game play was held against Dani. That was shown over and over again in how the other hgs reacted to her. Who deserves the win more...Dick's strategy was to verbally attack; Dani's was to aline herself and win in the comps...even though it was different strategies, it pulled them both through to the end. So credit should be given to both of them, but with Dani's actions in the last few days, I feel the win belongs to Dick.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
She was a killer in competitions and smart about strategy

This statement is true... but very misleading.

Had it not been for Dick putting his butt on the line several times to KEEP Dani in the house, she never would have had the opportunity to win comps or strategize.

Dani is in the final two because of Dick. HE was the driving force behind them both being in the final two.

I don't believe Dani deserves to win.

Tracy
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07-16-2007

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tracy a private message Print Post    
I like both of them and either one winning will suit me fine.
I don't think that I would give it to Dani because she's so young.
I don't think that I would give it to Dick because he's so immature.
That said, they both played a great game and both deserve to win and it's really not my business what they do with the money.
I also just realized who Dani puts me in mind of...Patty McCormack in the movie THE BAD SEED.
I'm just saying that there is a physical resemblance..

Ddfan
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08-04-2007

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ddfan a private message Print Post    
Sassy ... I agree with you. Neither one of them would of made it to the final 2 without eachother.

They both had diff strategys and they only worked when put together. They both deserve it.

It sucks that the jury was only hard on Dani...(if that is really how it went down)

But i remember last year there were some leaks when the jury gathered for questions ... and correct me if i'm wrong, but they were overheard saying something about ... they were supposed to come across as "mean" of some sorts to make it toupher on the f2.

last year it was Erika that was complaining about how mean they were to her on her questions.

just my obvservation.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Ddfan, I doubt they were only hard on Dani. Dick just doesn't give a crap any way you look at it. They could have called him an em-effin a-hole to his face and he'd have said "ya, I am" and moved on without blinking. Of course, the jury knows the only way to get to Dick is by ripping Dani LOL. That may also have been part of it.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Well, I'm all out of crime bucks. Mustering up support for Dani is about all I can manage with this final two. I think they are equally responsible for being in the final two...I prefer that Dani takes the big money!

Jhezzie
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07-05-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jhezzie a private message Print Post    
Of cooooourse, Dani deserrrrrrves it. You don't understaaaaaaaaand! I haaaaaaate that you have to aaaaaaask thaaaat...

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I think they both deserve to be there and that the jury will give the win to Dick. Even though they both fought hard to stay in the house, Dick fought a little bit harder.

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gina8642 a private message Print Post    
Hmmm.... I might buy all this "deserve" stuff if not for the fact that Eric saved Dick by AC. Dick would have been gone. It's impossible to know what would have happened to Dani's game after that.

This year, AP was part of the game. I accept that. But, I can't see past it and say D/D played a great game because they made F2. Because they didn't. They are only there due to AP/AC. Dick would have been gone without it. No doubt.

This season is what it is, but I don't think Dick or Dani are great players, I just think they are great characters. Great characters who were rewarded by AC/AP.

So, they didn't save each other. They didn't get each other to the end. America brought them there. So, anyone who voted to save Dick when he was against Justin Dustin should be taking credit for the F2 - not D/D. (And, AG for casting Eric, a very persuasive choice for AP.)

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Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
AP was obviously for Dick. So Dick deserves to win because he's got the fans behind him.

Isn't that how it's worked all season? Why should it change now??

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'd hardly call hanging upside down like a bat "candy ass" and if Dani had dropped before anyone but Dick, the two of them would have been on the block that week, most likely.

The last POV she won insured that Jameka went home instead of Dani. If Dani had gone home then, Dick would be at BEST F2 and come in second to Jameka or Zach.

And her two HOH wins gave the two of them two more free weeks. I'd say she played a strong game, as did Dick.

I also will be interested to hear their opening statements. Dick has been pushing the idea that they both should be arrogant to the jury, basically saying who cares what you think? Then yesterday he told Dani she shohld speak first to the jury, which gave him the advantage of hearing what she said before he spoke.

I just wonder if he pulled an "Eric" where Eric would trash talk about leaving snarky goodbye messages but he himself left nice messages.

Trust me, they are each very competitve people and I don't buy for a minute that Dick would be ok with going second.

I think also that while Dick was so happy to be the first family team to win and so on he's now hit the downside to competing with family; one of them wins and one loses.

I think about Venus and Serena Williams and how when they play each other in a major tournament (they purposely play in different tournments during the rest of the year) each sister is sapped of much of their drive and aggression and the winner finds it harder to celebrate the win at the expense of one so close.

And they have a great relationship.

And yes, that jury, sour as they may feel should be looking at each other to see why they are in Simi Valley today and D/D are in Studio City.. even Zach, though he came real close, really just one question, from trading with one of them.

And AP.. yes indeed, would be interesting to see who Eric would have influenced in the other direction..

And I keep reading about isolation and knowing the other people, but when Dani was Jedi training Dick, it was clear that she had listened to the other HG and learned far more than Dick had done. I mean I could answer most of the questions that Dani asked him .. Who is Jessica's dog? DIVA! He had no idea! And so it went.

Also if you were on the block the second week, with your dad, you might feel .. um.. targetted and isolated , no? And that very week you are told that you should vote for your dad to go home. Makes you want to hang with those people lots.

They both deserve to be there, but Dani has AP against her, apparently being whiney is seen as a worse sin than intimidation and obscenity.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
While I agree with some of your points Sea, I can't give Dani any bonus points for not attacking the other HGs when she openly encouraged Dick to do it on their behalf.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Those three times the two were nominated together? Um, yeah... neither one was targeted by AP for the nomination. Yet they were nominated. Because the won POVs when needed and because Dustin's ego is the size of Texas they managed to survive.

As far as attacking other HGs? Yeah, well, every single person in that house badmouthed the others, and at times it was almost nonstop. Badmouthing I just ignore. (Although I will give Dick credit for doing it in front of people, rather than behind their backs like everyone else.)

Maris
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03-28-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I would like to see Dani win the money so that Dick gets nothing for his time in the show. All his abuse, and talking smack about all those people so his precious daughter could get ahead in the game, well Karma is a boomerang. She will kick him to the curb.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Dani used Daddy Dick enough times to do her dirty work for her, two recent ones to mind are on Thursday night when she signal him to start verbally bashing Zach during Part 1 comp, the other was less than 5 minutes last night before the Jury began, when she wanted him to confirm that he was going to ask a verbally abusive question to Jen. She was disgusting and appauling yesterday toward him. In my view if the Jury beat her up last night as it seems, then she brought it all on herself. I'm not defending Dick either. But anybody who watched her behavior yesterday and into the night, then after the Jury session saw her show her true colors.

As for the comps, she invested a great amount of time complaining to Dick about how she had it sooooooo much more harder, in one of the earlier competitions, than he ever did in the Part 1 comp, even though BB has put it on record that was the hardest endurance comp that they ever had in the history of the show. Even though Dick lost in part 1, btwn he and Dani alone, he won that one over her, and then proceeded to win Part 2 and Part 3. Daniele in no way compares in my view to having excelled in comps, like Janelle did. Janelle had way more physical competitions than Dani had, and the only physical one she won was hanging off the clock, to which Kail gave up anyways.

Daniele will find out pretty quickly that it wasn't "The Daniele Show". I hope she will be able to take the public scrutiny of her.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
I've always said whoever makes it to final two deserves to be there. They may not be someone I rooted for, I may not like their style of game play, but they've obviously done something right to still be sitting there at the end when everyone else is out. Doesn't matter to me if they hid behind someone else, got someone else to do their dirty work, or went all out to get there (this goes for Survivor and TAR too) however they did it they managed to get themselves to the end.

I'm not rooting for either Dick or Dani, doesn't really matter much to me which one wins, but they both worked their own game to get to the end so they both deserve to be there. She won pov and hoh everytime she needed to and if she didn't he did. He went through the whole game ticking everyone off and they still kept him. And the two of them were an undeniable alliance of two that was not going to flip on each other while there were others in the game and noone broke that up. I do think they lucked out some with AP, but thats part of the game this season. So while I may not like their particular game play, both of them have done somethign right to be sittiing where tehy are today.

Lindaceles
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08-31-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 2:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lindaceles a private message Print Post    
OK, so D/D got some help from AP, but let's face it - if Allison hadn't been looking for someone specifically to be AP, who's to say that Eric would have even been in the house? It could have been someone else who aligned with D/D from the beginning, or at least wouldn't have had such a part in getting Nick out of the house, thereby keeping a vote for D/D throughout several more weeks. There's just no way you'll ever know. The HG's play the hand they are dealt, and D/D played it better than anyone else this year. To complain about that is as useless as me complaining about how my favorite player ever (Danielle in BB3) was screwed because there was no sequester and the jury saw the tapes!

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 3:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassynegal a private message Print Post    
While Eric had no choice in his vote, he could have chose to not target the AP voters choice (forfeiting the $$$) and yet he didn't so while AP did help them they were not aware of the benefit, it wasn't a guarantee and bottom line played a good game against the others. Furthermore, there were countless opportunities that people could have worked to get them out and they didn't and therefore, they both were able to make it to the end.

They needed each other to be where they are today and they both deserve to be where they are. They weren't my pick for final 2 (I wanted Jess) but if I subjectively look at them now, I say they both helped the other get there and neither rode the others coat tails.

That's my opinion taking thier personal relationship (which is none of my business) out of it.

As to the attacks on Dani's behavior, I don't know the whole story and I know I have no right to judge.