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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: Dick and Daniele.. Relationship Success or Disaster?: Archive through September 02, 2007 users admin

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Chippy
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08-16-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
What indication has there been that Dani loves Dick? I haven't seen one. Sure, she tolerates him (barely for the most part) to get ahead in the game, but really, when has she ever shown a sign of love. She's been more devoted to a guy she's known for a couple weeks. I'd bet that she'll blame Dick if she loses and if she wins, she'll proclaim she did it in spite of him. Nevermind that she was toast until he removed her from the block.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
I am convinced Daniele uses people when it ONLY benefits Her. At 21 years old, she's had 3 years since 18 to "develop her relationships" out in the real world, and it doesn't seem evident that she has. I've read her live journals and other things she's written, and predominantly, everything she will post about, comes back to her, and how she's hard done by on one thing or the other. And she hasn't been honest in the house, she has lied many times, be it her age, or evicting Kail, or Nick, and many many more things.
She is exceedingly spiteful and immature. I absolutely believe that her fantasized relationship with Nick, with not evolve into anything. She bashes other women (yes so have some of the other females in the house), but the funny thing is when she has bashed Jen, who by all accounts has a successful life - I have to laugh, because Jen has legitimate modeling jobs, etc, while Daniele works/as worked at Hooters.
Daniele will be high emotional and financial maintenance imho to any man she ends up with.

Vickyfla
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06-29-2005

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vickyfla a private message Print Post    
I agree with what you posted, Loppes! I also think if she does win any money,Dick will never see her again.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
I find Dick's constant hovering over Dani disturbing. I think it bothers Dani too. She cannot help the feelings she has. Whatever reason for the 2 year seperation, she has her reasons. When Dick claimed to have called her 30 times with no response, it almost sounded like stalking. That is my opinion.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Vicky TY, yes I agree that Dick will not see her again, and I think if Dick wins the money, and even gives her a small amount, it will never be enough for her. Either way, I don't see any future resolution for her and Dick. He has a son, with whom he gets along just fine, and that son was also raised in the same way as Daniele. So her blaming her father or anyone else in her life, is a sad excuse for not looking in the mirror at herself and acknowledging who actually has the problem.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 9:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
That still doesn't account for Dick's literally stalking Dani in the house. If my dad acted like that, I wouldn't talk to him either.

Sammy
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08-21-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammy a private message Print Post    
I still remember after that one veto ceremony and Julie asked Dani if she would be willing to do the same for her dad.....took a long time for an answer (can't really remember if one was given--think dick said no she wouldn't....
Dani appears to only want things to surround her and her only....she doesn't seem like she can actually be a "group"--currently I think it is easier to moap around about Nick than do anything in the game.
I doubt she would even be in there at this time if it weren't for Dick--which she may or may not be aware of and that could contribute to her negitive reation to him. He always uses "stradegy" and now her interviews always include the same. I also think age may have a factor in it but you also have to grow up a bit ---generally if family life is that dysfunctional you do tend to gain a little more edge on "real world" things....I think she uses her bad childhood against dick and wants him to give her the world---I also doubt she would give him the time of day let alone anything ---- she wants it all.
she only appears to like dick when he can do things for her and the rest of the time he is poison.....but still think out of the game he isn't holding her back but rather helping her out becuase she would have been gone long time ago---nothing in her personality would have kept her there...she is just protected from everyone from Dick--he has been more of a help then a hindrince....
she also needs to learn to take responsibilty on--not everything in life is someone elses fault and yes there are people we don't like but please do we have to be such a hater? why do these peeps always get there and then all you here is "i hate this house or I hate these people" leave......

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
I'm still not going to fault Dani, considering the rest of the HG's behavior, especially Dick's. She's only 21, of course she's self absorbed. And no, I don't need to hear how great everyone elses 21 yr old is, just saying.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
I agree with Ambi. I don't dislike Dani for being self-absorbed and I will add that I think she's very very smart. She could do a lot with her looks and her brain and when she grows up a bit I think she will do well.

I don't have any opinions about her relationship with her Dad. Don't care either.

Having said all that...I don't "like" either one of them within the context of the game. It would be difficult for me to choose which one I would vote for in F2 but when all is said and done, I'd have to vote Dani over Dick. I can find reasons to excuse Dani's behavior because of her youth. I find NO redeeming qualities in Dick. (Whoo, I'm going to get stomped on for that, I'll bet.) LOL!

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
I agree will you Messalina.

Sammy
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08-21-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammy a private message Print Post    
Having said all that...I don't "like" either one of them within the context of the game. It would be difficult for me to choose which one I would vote for in F2 but when all is said and done, I'd have to vote Dani over Dick. I can find reasons to excuse Dani's behavior because of her youth. I find NO redeeming qualities in Dick. (Whoo, I'm going to get stomped on for that, I'll bet.) LOL!

but even in her youth she needs to admit to some responsibility or accountablity instead of being so evasive in everything....Just from watching nieces & nephews---if no accountablity or anything they just go on and blame it on youth or parents....
I personally don't really like any of this group only becuase they all feel that they are the "perfect honest good peeps" around...but there is a difference between the youth of dani --- Jen wasn't much plder than her...

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
When the other's admit to not stopping Dick's abusive behavior and Dick takes responsibility for his unspeakable behavior throughout this season, I might say something about Dani but not until.

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassynegal a private message Print Post    
You know I am only 30 and I was in a similiar situation with my mother. When I was 19 we had a huge falling out over something she did. I did/said a lot of things to her and had opinions of her during that time that I know today weren't 100% accurate. What happened between us was bad but I was too young to know how to forgive and "get over myself". Today I look back and am not proud of how I handled it all, but thankful my mom hung in there and kept trying as we have rebuilt our relationship today.

What I am trying to say is we really don't know what happened and who are we to judge on how she handles it - she's still young and at 21 we think we know it all but really don't. Amplify that by the fact that have to live together for 3 months unexpectedly and I think they both should be given some credit for how they are handling it. After all they may have fights, but they haven't turned on each other.

Bottom line - who are we, hiding behind our computers, to judge???

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Ambi I agree she can't stand the hovering. And he doesn't get it...he wants it so badly he doesn't see it's hurting not helping.

Now I have no clue if it will end up being in any way similar, but my Mom and I were very close, probably too close. But BOY was she a hoverer, even though I lived 3 states away. We would talk an insane amount of times per day. And when I would go home to visit there are times she seriously almost drove me out of my mind. But each time a funny thing happened. By the end of the visit I could not WAIT to get back to my nice quiet house. Ached for it. But then when I got home it was so quiet it killed me. And my Mom and I would have to spend hours on the phone cause she was going nuts from it too. We would laugh about this pattern.

We definately had a VERY different relationship, but over these months Dani has gotten used to having her Dad there, and turning to him, and him always having her back. I know she thinks she wants to walk out that door and have nothing to do with him. But I wonder if maybe, for the first time in a long time, when she leaves if she might find herself missing him and missing someone always having her back.

I honestly don't know...but for both their sakes I hope so.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Sassy: Bottom line - who are we, hiding behind our computers, to judge???

I don't feel anyone is judging them, whether they are supportive or not, and definitely I don't feel that we are "hiding" behind our computers.

1. That decision got made by Dick and Daniele when they chose to come on the show, knowing there are over a million viewers who will be watching and commenting on all the people.

2. Everyone who goes on these Reality shows by now knows exactly how public they are - D/D are absolutely no exception. If Daniele and Dick both are adults, which they are, then its up to them to stop themselves from airing their dirty laundry. We the viewers don't put their words, or actions into their mouths, they do that totally on their own. If they don't want the viewers to talk/gossip/judge them, then they should be in the office of a private counselor rather than on international television.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Loppes gotta say ITA. I was really upset by this twist, in the same way I was with Nakomis and Cowboy, and BB springing it to them. BUT once I heard D/D whispering about sending each other messages on MySpace that they would have each other's back I was ok about that. Cause it says to me they knew enough that they could have backed out. I would feel differently if they really had no clue the other would be on.

I do feel that given all that's happened in their history, that BB should have made it mandatory that they work with their counselor privately while in there. But since TPTB care more about good TV and less about how it affects the HG, fat chance!

The one thing I would add a thought on is when you said how it's up to them not to air dirty laundry etc. I don't disagree, but I think of someone like Amber, who I truly believe is clueless LOLOL I just typed about six ends of this sentence. She is clueless on so many fronts in so many ways, it's scary. I truly feel she has no clue she said anything that millions of Americans would have taken offense with. I truly think she believes she will be ADORED and have a huge fan base. I think in this case there should be some responsibility from the Producers to make sure she can adjust back to society, because I think she is going to get a response that she is not emotionally equipped to deal with. Didn't care for her, but I don't want to see her destroyed personally either. So I think there is a gray area too, and I don't think it's responsible just to toss everyone back to their lives and say "ok cope you are adults you signed up for this." See my point?

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Lurk, I absolutely agree. It is my understand that BB provides access to a psychologist/psychiatrist for all the house guests for a period of up to a year or two years after the game has been completed.

I agree on your assessment regarding Amber, and I think one of two things happened with her interviews for the game, 1. She probably fibbed about her turmoiled past, 2. BB didn't expect her reactions to be the way they were.

Lurk btwn "u and me" (lol), In watching Amber at the beginning of the season, then towards the end. I always wondered if all her panic, crying and neediness, was a withdraw from her previous drug use. There was a point, and after Dustin was gone, that she became way more calm, and often looked more sedated than previously.

Gusmonster
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06-01-2005

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gusmonster a private message Print Post    
My DD turns 21 this month. Half the time she's great an half the time she's alot like Dani. Her great half keeps growing and the Dani half keeps shrinking and I see the exact same thing in most of her friends. With a little maturity I believe they'll all be just fine.

Dani has the added problem of a broken family life and a very difficult Dad. Does anybody really believe he hasn't talked to her and treated her at times the way we've seen him treat the houseguests? I don't say all the time but I'm sure she's dealt with it.

Plus being stuck in the house with him day after day being the concerned loving Dad. I'm sure he is that Dad some of the time but she prolly doesn't see him that way and resents his playing what she may see as a part for the cameras while she comes off looking like the horrible daughter because she's chosen to keep the matter private. He keeps pushing and her only defense is to freeze him out.

Finally his burping, farting, spitting etc prolly grosses her out as much it does some of us. I know even if Dick were nice as pie my DD would be grossed out and keep as far away from him as possible. In fact she watches the show with me and whenever he comes on the screen she says " ewww, Gross! I hate him. Poor Dani!"

Obviously Dani has some more growing up to do but I think people are way too hard on her. JMHO.

Scribe
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08-16-2000

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scribe a private message Print Post    
to change the subject just a bit - I was wondering if anyone else noticed a comment made by Dani yesterday when the group was talking and someone made a comment about another family group and issues and Dani commented like mine but without the "hitting" ... did I miss hear? or is there was issue we dont know about - seemed to me that the other house members also stopped for a second but none commented on it.

Flamingo
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08-19-2003

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Flamingo a private message Print Post    
scribe- that was in reference to a joke Nick made earlier in the season "Family dinner in my house. without the hitting". something to do with a movie, I think.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I love this youtube. I think there is a lot of love there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-JaKeDemOA&mode=related&search=

Scribe
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08-16-2000

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scribe a private message Print Post    
Thank you - so glad to hear that - was only watching regular broadcast shows when Nick was around and guess I missed it. Glad that is not an issue - just couldn't imagine it.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
I think Dani shows great restraint for someone so young. If it were me, I'd be screaming at Dick to go sit in the corner and stop his disgusting behavior and habits.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
It is also Dani who recognizes that national television is not the place to reconcile deep seated and very intimate family issues.

I find it interesting that Dick has said his most intense bonding with Vincent, when he believes he overcame the problems he created with Vincent, came in a strip club.

And now he thinks that national television is the proper venue to resolve his issues with Dani.

Dani, though, knows better and has withstood all of his attempts to go through some sort of self-guided family counseling in front of 24/7 cameras.

She has to be admired for that and Dick has to be seen for the clueless man he is when it comes to having any understanding of how these things get dealt with.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
As a parentless daughter I just hope they find their way back to each other. Life can be snuffed out for any of us at any time, and we don't always have tomorrow to work it out.