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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think one of the ways that "God bless you" is used is when thanking someone for something. For example, "God bless you for doing that".

I think it is Amber's convoluted way of thanking God.

It doesn't appear that Amber has had much religious training if any at all. She is just trying to find some sort of personal relationship with God in her own inexperienced way. Regrettably she is doing this on national TV and some people find it either amusing or distasteful.

While I feel sorry that she is exposing herself to ridicule, I don't personally find her efforts particularly disturbing. I'm prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt and wish her well in ultimately finding the happiness that she is seeking.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I don't mind the church music (and I'm a churchie person myself). I find it kind of funny. The use of dramatic music on any television show is pretty commonplace...soap operas for instance always use this kind of "heavy" organ music (or at least they used to when I was a kid).

Amber is searching. If her search ends up with her being a strong Christian woman more power to her. She has a long way to go but I'm not 'agonna' judge her.

Sammy
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08-21-2007

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammy a private message Print Post    
I find it hard to to watch Amber "pray" in the diary room full of tears and then kissing her cross...she did it last night as well during the game thing.....I'm thinking that she is under the belief that kissing the cross is the same as "carring the cross" ------perhaps she mis read that in the Bible???????
I also think that she is under the belief that God is only there to help her win major money...she never really prays for "real things" (sorry for lack of words) it is always about her and winning.....God (at least the God I believe in also want you to worship and obey Him as well...he isn't there for the money....He is there for us and she basically is using Him in my opionion...
Anyone ever notice that she makes sure cameras are on during these "prayers"----??????
Garth Brooks said it in a song "sometimes Gods greatest gifts are unanswered prayers"--I can almost bet that if she loses this game ---- she will kiss God goodbye really soon....sine he wasn't playing her game.....

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
Amber kissing her cross, repeatedly, so she can win money. I'm all for the music. I can't even listen to her and Jameka talk -- the god chat drives me CRAZY.

Nick
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07-31-2004

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
the music doesn't bother me at all.. they put funny music behind everything the house guests do.. romantic music behind eric and jess.. suspenseful music behind people doing odd things..

as for showing all the praying? well c'mon.. it's all they do.. what else are they supposed to show about them? amber even prays in her diary rooms.. what's that about? to be honest they're showing amber and jameka pretty true to what they've been (or not been) doing in the house.. aside from them not showing amber's racist bigotted nature (i'm not sure she even understands when she says those things that she is being racist/bigotted)..



Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I don't understand why everyone seems to think Jameka is responsible for Amber and her behavior and growth. She has been called to task for

1. Not putting her wise to her unrealistic dreams of a modeling or motivational speaker career.

2. For not teaching her how to pray.

3. For not calling her out on her racist remarks.

Jameka is not Amber's mother. She barely knows her. What would give Jameka the right to tell Amber how to act or what to say? I imagine Jameka feels it is not her place to do so.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Amber's necklace has some thing on a FLIP FLOP. She kisses it because it represents her mom and daughter who I gather have the same necklace.

Nick
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07-31-2004

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
For not teaching her how to pray.
jameka has listened and commented on amber's praying letting her know when she's doing better etc.. so she's taken on this roll herself..

For not calling her out on her racist remarks.
jameka actually has gently stepped in at times and suggested to amber she shouldn't say something or think a certain way when her remarks have been inappropriate.. and she's taken amber under her wing - early on having "bible study" with her.. explaining what terms and concepts were..

Not putting her wise to her unrealistic dreams of a modeling or motivational speaker career.
while i don't suggest this is jameka's job.. it's odd that being a religious person and moreso - someone with counselling skills - i guess i would have thought i'd not see her just encouraging amber's somewhat unrealistic dreams but perhaps being a better friend and helping her with questions to what might be really important in amber's life..

it's because jameka has these (supposed) credentials i think that people rather expect her to use them in this relationship with amber that she's expressed such deepness in ...

personally i don't think i'd like a child of mine being counselled in school by jameka but that's just me.. because i haven't seen her use these skills ...

probably doesn't make sense but.. there's my informed not worth 2cents take..

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Nick, I agree she has done these things, but it is her choice. But I still keep seeing posters calling her out for not doing them like she is falling down on her job or something. My point is that it is not Jameka's responsibility. Is she wishes to help her out as a friend that is fine, but she should not be called out for not doing it. JMO

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i agree allietex. in the house jameka is only responsible for herself.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I agree, but Jameka and Amber do discuss that Jameka is being the "big sister" to Amber in counseling her, in pushing her to go talk to people and campaign. Amber said last night she usually puts things off, doesn't want to confront.. said she wouldn't go do that without Jameka making her (personally I think it may be backfiring if Jameka wants Amber to stay.. or working if she wants Amber to leave but wants Amber's vote at F2.. just ask Jess reacting to them may be her way of trying to keep from being the actual evictor.. let it be Eric or Dick or Dani blamed for Amber leaving).. she also told Jameka that I think it was Amber's sister, but maybe a BBperson.. someone had to strongly urge Amber to pick up the phone and call her boss to tell him she would be leaving for BB. She kept putting it off and this person said "Amber do it NOW" and she did and it was ok and she was so relieved. She told Jameka that Jameka was in this role in the house.

So the two of them HAVE set it up that Jameka is calling some of Amber's shots.

Ultimately of course Jameka is there for herself. She's not a Colby handing the big prize to Tina. And Jameka SHOULD be there for herself.

Ohiomobprincess
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11-07-2003

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ohiomobprincess a private message Print Post    
Amber chain has a cross AND a flip-flop attached.

Misosmart
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07-03-2005

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Misosmart a private message Print Post    
Amber just makes me grind my teeth. Between her crying and babbling (I don't call that praying) I just want her out. And then her remarks about those who are Jewish. Now that really offended me. I am partly Jewish -- and I am rather proud of my nose thank you very much!

I haven't posted on purpose for a long time because I wasn't sure if I could be nice.

Which I know I can't.

Rieann
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08-26-2006

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rieann a private message Print Post    
Maybe Amber is just a religious neophyte, but the constant prayer to win MONEY... saying she cares more for others... she cries for HERSELF a lot... saying she never lies when she does... UGH!!! <77>

Nick
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07-31-2004

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 4:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
i have never once heard her pray to keep her daughter safe in her absence...

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Friday, August 31, 2007 - 5:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
LOL. Good point Nick.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 7:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Given that Jameka and Zach have been praying in the house recently, I would really like to get a final dose of the organ music on Tuesday for ol' times' sake! :-)

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
I think that ship has sailed.

Mandeenmatt
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07-29-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 1:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mandeenmatt a private message Print Post    
Amber kissing and messing with her necklace is her way of telling her daughter that she's thinking of her and she loves her. How dare she do that!

Teacuppy
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08-05-2006

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teacuppy a private message Print Post    
BB uses the music as total sarcasim. I am offended. Do they use evil music for dick? Oh wait I forgot it is the dick and dani show. I think this will be my last BB as it is about as far from reality as it can get this year more then ever!!

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Scratch the organ music, I would rather they play the Gregorian chant music. That is way better.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 6:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Yay! The music. Thanks, BB!

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 9:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tobor7 a private message Print Post    
Oops they did it again.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
omg that was really funny. At least Amber was believable..hahaha Zach should use any money he wins on acting lessons.

Streetsmart
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08-06-2006

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Streetsmart a private message Print Post    
Yeah EM he will have $500,000 to spend in a week

Gaylestorm
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08-25-2005

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gaylestorm a private message Print Post    
I've been an RC Mass-goer all my life. I find the organ music and Gregorian chants hilarious (as used by BB, tongue in cheeek).

I gotta' admit EM, the Jameka/Zach praying scene reminded me of something from a really bad soap.

Archiecat
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08-16-2006

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Archiecat a private message Print Post    
My thought to the name of this thread: That music is out of place and inappropriate in this "game" setting. It is cherished music to me in its place as a quieting, respectful way to enter into a session of worship. It is not a pep song for a hopefully winning team. Nor is it appropriate to be a descriptive theme song. JMO

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
well if charmin can use the hallelujah chorus to sell toilet paper i think anything goes

Tanith
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08-25-2006

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tanith a private message Print Post    
It's offensive.

Archiecat
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08-16-2006

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Archiecat a private message Print Post    
Okay, I'm not buying any more charmin.

But, I never did....my DH shops for TP

Nycsoho
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08-11-2007

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nycsoho a private message Print Post    
I'm glad BB is in charge of the music and not the viewer. I loved it.

Curtisahahahaha
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07-09-2001

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 4:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curtisahahahaha a private message Print Post    
It's cheesy, just like everything else Big Brother does. Who cares!?

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
I kid not, the music was the best part of the season for me. I liked the music more than the HGs.