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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:44 pm
Goddess, you and I have both been on the Board since the first year, if I recall, and I think we both have a mutual respect for each other. At least I hope you respect me as I respect you. So, I agree we just have to agree to disagree on this one. I just find Dick's whole story breaks down when he claims he had to go to court to get visitation rights. Even if his mother were violating the initial custody order, the fight between them must have been fierce and bitter if it ended up in court solely because of her intransigence. And if this were the case, why did he not not just rescind the voluntary custodial order? Why would anyone voluntarily continue giving custody of his children to someone who illegally denied visitaion and was so vehemently opposed to it that it ended up in court? Why would anyone continue such a custody arrangement with such a person when it was voluntary in the first place and thuis could have been voluntarily changed? But, you see logic in it. I don't. The only logical explanation I see is that the children were taken from him by legal action because even as the natural father, and with the mother out of the picture, he was deemed to be unfit to raise the children. And so, we disagree. As for are the two same? We disagree here as well. I see his stalking and hounding Dani constantly all summer long to resolve long-standing and deep emotional issues on television to be simply for his own purposes. His selfishness is deep. So is her's. He doesn't understand her nor does he want to any more than she understands him or wants to. I see little difference between them. Maybe next year you'll see things correctly, Goddess! 
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:53 pm
Hehs. Shake on the agree to disagree, and of course I respect you especially when I'm right LOL. I don't like Dick much more than you do, but I dislike Dani even more. Next year I hope we get a bunch of ordinary strangers with no IMBD pages amongst them. And no predisposition toward issues which require Dr. Phil to enter the conversation, I dislike him even more than Dick and Dani. Topic? I got nothing I haven't already said LOL.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:57 pm
Well then we DO agree on Dr. Phil! LOL!!
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:59 pm
Wise man say: Wrong side is right side when standing on correct side.
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:00 pm
Wise man say: Would you rather be right or happy?
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:03 pm
Wise man say: Woman with red hair has fire in pants. I'll show myself out now 
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:13 pm
Darn, if everyone left there's no point in throwing in my next musical tribute courtesy of Elvis...wise men say...never mind!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:54 pm
I'd just like to say that Dick was 23 when Dani was born, not the age she is now, which is 21. He was 22 when his son was born. Many men that age are able to raise their children. I'm sure his fantastic personality (sarcasm intended) didn't help the relationship with his wife so they could stay together and raise the children. Dani stated that she felt all the court hearings (she mentioned there were many) were more about the parents fighting each other and the grandparents, rather than really wanting the children. Just as some of us feel Dick's stints and actions on the show are to get attention, Dani feels he uses her to get attention and she seems to be furious that rather than this being a game show, it's more a show about her and her father and their relationship. While she likes how far it got her, she hates that he is getting even more attention because of her. I can somewhat understand her being confused that the houseguests would even think about giving him the money over her because he acted so bad. She just doesn't get it. I don't either in a way, but they saw through her and how she used him. She thinks she's better than him, but the hg's don't because she hid behind him to do her dirty work. Dani definitely has a love/hate relationship with her Dad.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 6:15 pm
i see this thread has become the rehashing ground for most of the topics of the season. Nothing wrong with that Directly, except we have very little to base conjecture on. Vincent will repeat what his dad told him to when he asked him to take over his Online Stuff. Dani is closemouthed about the details and has said repeatedly she does not want to discuss personal stuff in the house. So then Dick will go and blab all his thoughts to the other HGs thus making Dani look like the unreasonable one. From what I understand Dick was abandoned by his own father at a very young age, and somewhere along the line got adopted by his mother's second husband. ??? Dick didnt even know he was adopted by his 'father' until he was 12? 13? Abandonment issues were not part of Dick's early life.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 6:20 pm
i think the true and proven issue of Why Dick gave up the kids is his Chosen Lifestyle. He chose to work late nights in a boozed up Druggie environment. He was also single and dating. I admire his decision to Give up the kids as they would have been neglected by his first choice of passtimes. as for Dani, I found her sarcastic wit completely different than Dick's meanspirited wit. Yeah her giggles and smirks were obvious for us all to see when Dick was going off (various times) but when push comes to shove, Lots of people smirk and smile when they are uncomfortable. I also think that Dani may have thought that she was really doing a good job of encouraging Dick to act out so she was thinking she had the win in the bag. As for being different from Dick (as per this title) It is obvious she has complete control over alcohol in her life. (and food LOL) Dick constantly was moaning and complaining about wanting more alcohol.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 6:26 pm
"I am my father's daughter"... remember her?
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 6:51 pm
Dick constantly was moaning and complaining about wanting more alcohol. He was? I must have missed that. I did hear another houseguest doing that, but not Dick.
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 7:18 pm
Dick doesn't seem to have any problems with his son Vincent,,,so one has to question Daniele's problem and if its Daniele herself that is the problem.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 7:18 pm
When was Dick begging for more booze?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 7:26 pm
I've never heard Dick begging for more booze!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 7:48 pm
Someone saying they would like a beer is not indicative of an alcohol problem.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 7:50 pm
We don't know have the facts on what happened and when. Dick may have chosen to be a bartender after he gave up Daniele and Vincent. I would also hesitate to call the environment in which he works "boozed up Druggie environment". These are not facts. Dick works as a bartender. That's the only fact.
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 7:54 pm
Exactly Costa- people here talk as if they know who Dick was back then and why he did what he did- while dismissing Vincent, the only one with even close to an expert opinion, as if he is a DIck mouthpiece.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:00 pm
Abandonment issues were not part of Dick's early life. How do we not know that he did feel some kind of abandonment?
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Hookedagain
Member
07-19-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:04 pm
Quote from above post: "Dick doesn't seem to have any problems with his son Vincent,,,so one has to question Daniele's problem and if its Daniele herself that is the problem." Dani said that Vincent likes to party , drink and so forth with Dick..so that is probaly why they get along... She is young and he is 44, they both need to grow up, at times she seems older...LOL
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:06 pm
Dick said he wants to go to Dublin (Ireland) to get pretty drunk... so he likes his Irish beer.. about the whole custody thing.. we've seen Dick's criminal record and that was quite a lengthy one... so, it doesn't surprise me that he voluntarily left his kids with his mother. Last year's theme is for Dick this year. You reap what you sow... Maybe it's better that Daniele wins the money to have a small chance for them to talk to each other after this. If he wins, she will resent him even more and there's nothing worse than financial matters gone wrong to ruin an already sour relationship.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:13 pm
Spunky that list was bogus and i think you know that by now.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:14 pm
How is Dani different? Hmm... She whines for the sake of whining. "Packing hurts my arms" Dick - 1 Dani - 0 He explodes and blames everyone and everything when things don't go his way. She pouts, whines, cries and hates everyone and everything when things don't go her way. It's a wash, no points. Dick loves his daughter always. Dani loves her father when she needs something. Dick - 2 Dani - 0 Dick is verbally abusive to others. Dani goes off to pout. Dick - 2 Dani - 1 Dani's tattoos are stylish. Dick - 2 Dani - 2 Dani was better at comps. Dick - 2 Dani - 3 Dick was better at gameplay. Dick - 3 Dani - 3 They both have an oddly obsessive hatred of Jen. No points. Dick will share his money. Dani? LOL Dick - 4 Dani - 3 I think that sums it up. Dick wins... by a wad of spit.
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Sassynegal
Member
01-21-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:15 pm
Anyone who has kids knows that each kid is different and boys and girls are different. They need different things and they have different emotions, etc. Dani's mother wasn't around which is huge for a girl (trust me) and if she felt like her dad wasn't there for her like she needed him to be it's not being immature it's just based on her needs. I have a daughter and if she had to rely on her father to go to with some of her issues there relationship wouldn't as good as it is now. He gives her advice in a way he thinks will protect her (like you don't need that boy, etc) where I on the other hand just let her talk it out and give her encouragement. It's a personality thing totally! We can all judge both them and what we believe to be thier errors in the relationship, but the truth of it is we don't know all of it and we likely never will. We can't honestly be sitting her thinking that we have solved thier issues after getting the tiny bits and pieces over 3 months can we? Are any of us even qualified to make these analogies? I am very happy to see they are where they are now compared to where they started. I hope they are able to continue to build on that and develop a better relationship after the show, but honestly it is none of my business. Big Brother brought these 2 people into a house to create drama, but unfortunately the type of drama they got was not what they were looking for. Instead of battles between the 2 the whole season and family drama laid out on the table, these 2 came together and played the game as a team and pulled it off. I think they both deserve to win. If they share or not who cares - not my problem... Congrats to both and I sincerely hope they don't give a second thought to all the things that have been said about them on these boards.
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:19 pm
Are they really any better off than when they started though? It seems most of the time she only speaks to him when she has almost no choice...back out in their own lives I doubt he'll even get that much.
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