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Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
I must be putting on a show then, cause I am always praising God...singing, praying and yes, talking about my beliefs if someone asks

I never said those girls couldn't praise God...I said that was their First Amendment right...they can do that.

Excuse I don't know anyone who prays like they do 24/7, unless you are putting on a show. Constantly outwardly praying throughout the day. Crying while you are praying. All the time. Not just when you are about to go to bed or your morning prayers. She is constantly praying (which isn't bad, because I walk around my campus praying sometimes) and constantly crying.

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Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
I don't think arguing religion is going to get anywhere, we all have our believes. But I do believe if they follow the bible, would not talking about people,vanity IE we are the good people they are the bad, drinking swearing etc go against the religion they profess to have? My Mom used to refer to them as weekend Baptist.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I'm glad that Amber is trying to have a Relationship with God as I think she will sincerely need it, but the formula that she has come to make God out to be, revealed thru the way she prays, do you think she will maintain, cultivate & strengthen her Relationship & faith with God? I mean the way she prays & the formula she's set up for Him, He doesn't seem to be answering her according to the formula she has set, so do you think that will cause her to turn away from God when BB is over? Unless she wins that is.

Lafatme
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06-23-2005

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lafatme a private message Print Post    
my problem with amber and jameka is that they always seem to want something from God.

to paraphrase jfk, "ask not what God can do for you, Ask what you can do for God."

i've learned to simply repeat the words of the Lord's prayer, "thy will be done."

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
EXACTLY Lafatme.....at least Amber is that way. You hear Jameka praise the Lord sometimes and thank him sometimes, but I can't remember Amber EVER giving thanks for anything. IMHO, she's trying to use prayer like an ATM machine....just tell it what you want and you get it. Saying I love you and giving a wish list is more like Santa Clause than God. It is a lot different from saying thank you for whatever happens in your life. I applaud her for trying to make changes in her life and she's on the right track, but she she has some learning to do.

Diacritical
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08-14-2005

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Diacritical a private message Print Post    
I can hardly listen to Amber and Jameka pray, but I admit I get a little irritated when they are criticized for their style. Heard a great line today -- "If you want others to feel better, practice compassion. If you want yourself to feel better, practice compassion." There's nothin odd about "God, bless You God." It's well within the prayer traditions of several groups, including Orthodoxy, Catholicism, Pentacolstalism, Judaism, Evangelicalism, etc. In fact, given what she has said about Jews, I would probably be very tempted to point out how her prayers sound Jewish from time to time and ask if she is not part Hebrew. ;-)

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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Which Christian denominations oppose drinking any alcohol?

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
she looked up and said thank you God after every question on the POT show tonight.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, Baptist and Nazarene. I was raised in a Nazarene church and back then they didn't allow smoking, drinking, cursing, make-up, and you had to dress appropriately (women in dresses, men in suits.) They use the scripture that talks about our bodies being God's temple, and to not defile it. Some denominations believe that such things done in moderation is not sinning, but losing control over it, like being an alcoholic, is sinning.
Amber's praying reminds me of the way my 8-year prayed, until I got out the Bible and showed her how Jesus taught us to pray, and what my interpretation of it is (ex.-give us our daily bread=give us what we need physically, emotionally, and spiritually to get through today; Thy will be done=not my will, but God's, whether I like it or not.)
I've posted it earlier in the thread, and I've seen others saying that she may be "a babe in Christ" and does not totally understand that prayer is communication with God, not a laundry list of what I want.
I heard a sermon long ago that we are to enter His (God's) gates with thanksgiving and into His courts with praise. David also danced before the Lord, and cried out, so I figure if it's good enough for David, it's good enough for me...my family is used to it and just leave me alone when the Spirit starts moving in me. So yes, I cry sometimes when I pray, and sometimes I'm so full of joy I can't contain it and have to move.
To each their own.

Mama2oliviamae
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08-16-2006

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mama2oliviamae a private message Print Post    
I think Amber is having a showmance with God.

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
thank you Mama2oliviamae...I am reading this thread thinking wow this is just way too heavy for me, politics and religion, have my own, aint discussing it with anyone. Your post gave me a chuckle and I think this thread needed it. thank you.

Mama2oliviamae
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08-16-2006

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mama2oliviamae a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Dbald. I completely agree.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 8:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
Ditto. :-)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 9:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Thanks Bluejaxrock! I knew about Baptists but I wasn't sure if there were others as well. Plus to confuse it further, some Baptists that I know (who are IMO sincerely religious) drink alcohol.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 9:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
No problem, Jimmer. There are so many nuances and tenets to the millions of "religions" in the world, that I figure it doesn't matter how you get to God and how you talk with him as long as you get to Him.
Also, growing up, the church was discouraged from even going into carry-outs, because someone could see you leaving with a paper bag and wonder if you're buying alcohol. Yeah, it was a real "God'll getcha" type teaching. I understand through friends that the Nazarenes are loosening up a bit, and are being more welcoming than exclusive (A's&J's whole good v. bad.)

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 9:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
LOL Yes she did Sherbabe. I was shocked because that was the first time I've heard thanks. Okay, here's my issue with giving thanks. This really IS heavy....sorry. When my Dad died, I was really depressed. I would have days where I would be driving down the road and just burst into tears. The way I got where I could function again was to pull over and give thanks for everything....the time I had to spend with him, my relationship with him, my job even though I didn't like it, my car....everything! It gave me time to focus on all my blessings instead of feeling sorry for myself. So, saying thank you Lord when things are going well is great, but that's not the only time that thanks are in order. Understand?

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 10:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
I'm sorry for your loss, Sabbatia. ITA with what you said about giving thanks. It really gets me through some rough times.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 7:48 pm

Which Christian denominations oppose drinking any alcohol?

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 8:16 pm

Jimmer, Baptist and Nazarene. I was raised in a Nazarene church and back then they didn't allow smoking, drinking,


Jimmer, besides the smoking/drinking that Bluejaxrock talks about, Seventh-day Adventists believe that you should dress in a manner that is conservative (that you are covered) but they don't oppose women in pants. There are others, but I think this addresses your original question. :-)

On a side note, I was raised in a Seventh-day Adventist church school back in the late 1960's and early 1970's, and during special school functions the teachers would go around with a 12 inch ruler making sure no persons of the opposite sex were sitting closer than one foot!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 6:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
God always answers our prayers. But sometimes we do not like the answer.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 6:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i was raised baptists and it is not a question of what you can't do but what you can.

we weren't even supposed to watch tv.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 6:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
United Methodism also "supports abstinence" and uses grape juice in communion.

I see no need to judge Amber in her walk with God. We are all in different places on that journey, and we are certainly all hypocritical at times.

The idea that God rewards those who worship him is deeply embedded in the Judaic and Christian traditions. So I don't find it unusual that Amber would honor that as part of her belief system. And we have a couple of thousand of years of tradition in asking God for help in prevailing in everything from sickness to battle to sporting events. Amber is not at all unusual in that regard either. :-)

Take delight in the Lord, and He will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37.4

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Do any of you think Amber would tithe the winning & stipend money to God since she's so into Him right now? Or do you think she'll leave the tithing part out conveniently ignoring that aspect? Or will it be more like jailhouse religion where they find God while locked up, but once released they forget about God; thus also the not tithing?

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
Well...Jimmer, Nazarene & Baptist...I was raised Catholic and we can drink, boy can we drink...when my husband first converted and started attending meetings, potlucks and even the catholic school barbecue he asked "do catholics drink at everything"...i said yep...even during mass...lol...

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Thanks for all of the explanations about different Christian faiths and their beliefs about drinking. Generally it seems that Americans tend to think about alcohol consumption in a more negative way than Europeans. I guess that may be the Baptist influence.

On the other topic: Does God reward Christians or treat Christians specially? As I said before, many Christians believe that in return for their faith, God rewards them with eternal life. What could be a bigger or more special reward than that?

As Karuuna said, Christians have been praying for personal stuff for hundreds of years. Some prayers are phrased better and are more politically correct and less crass but it ultimately comes down to Christians asking God for something that will benefit them or others that they care about.

Nick
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07-31-2004

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
Perhaps people have been praying for personal things but the new testatment is pretty clear.. God will provide you the basics you need (does he not take care of the sparrows? comes from one of Christ's sermons) in return for your faith.. you're to give up your heart and your materialistic desires and develop your spiritual side - giving unto others without any expectation of return or without any desire of eternal life - it's to be a selflessness you are meant to achieve.. for example.. you don't offer your arm to an elderly person to cross the street because you'll be rewarded for the act - good acts are not rewarded without the good heart behind them - one that doesn't expect reward for the action.. it's a difficult concept and tends to throw people into catch 22's..

on friends they did a whole half hour on it that was interesting.. phoebe saying it was impossible to do a good act without a returned expectation because she always felt good after doing something and therefore was "rewarded".. it was funny but interesting..

it's a spirit reaching out and a faith that trusts that with god's guidance and assistance and your hard work combined you will have what you need...

and i firmly believe (sorry this is so long) that when we ask for spiritual strength... or things like courage or patience that we're given trials to help develop those characteristics... these developments in your spirit or soul aren't handed to you.. you have to learn them.. and so how we deal with difficult situations is so much more a positive ... because we learn so much more from them.. and hence we give god our blessings and praise for sending them to us...