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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:00 pm
But, Bbdi, one does not "choose" being gay at all....so the question being posed ("How would you feel if your child chose a gay lifestyle") is based on an untruth to begin with. One could ask "How would you feel if your child chose to be black?" If you live in a part of the country where racism is blatant and pervasive, how would you answer that question? My guess is that the answer would be "I can't answer that because you can't choose to be black". That same answer applies to the gay version of the question. The question is unanswerable unless you accept the false premise included in the question - that a person "chooses" to be gay.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:01 pm
we call my daughter's group of friends the kids from the isle of misfit toys. they're the kids that get ostracized and/or bullied. they're the gay kids that are out, the ones that aren't out, the kids that have been kicked out of their homes because they came out, the kid that is a boy but wants to be a girl, the kids that don't know which way they are. these are the sweetest kids and I've grown a lot from being around them. I just have hope that Kail will grow from being around Dustin, even though I don't think much of him personally.
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:05 pm
I find it very ironic that Kail has aligned with Jen as her "best friend" in the house. Can you imagine how Kail would view Jen and her wardrobe (or lack of...) out in the "real world?!" What if Jen showed up as a date with one of Kail's sons?! Now that she knows Jen, she laughingly said she's sure her sons love Jen, but what if she met her in Oregon? I think Kail meant what she said in the DR about gays---- I mean, she actually said she didn't know ANY gay people and that she didn't think there were ANY in her community... come on Kail, crawl outta your bubble! Wonderful people come in every variety, just as lousy ones do. Judge them on their behavior, not their sexual orientation (unless you are the one dating/marrying them, what does it MATTER?!)
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:10 pm
sunshyne, lifestyle is not defined by sexual orientation. exactly my point!! and i wish people would quit trying to make it all about being gay you choose your lifestyle, you choose whether you marry, you choose whether you have children, you choose whether you rent or buy, you chose whether you travel a lot, you choose whether you stay at home and save$$ -you choose your lifestyle. I can say I was born in into a West Coast Lifestyle. I've lived here all my life....but I have a choice NOT to be here, I have a choice to move. A poor example maybe, but i was born this way.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:15 pm
interestingly, Dustin has stated he doesnt like 'the Gays'. I was really surprised! especially the way he said it. Says that he is bad but doesnt go along with the stuff. Dick asked him if he does Gay PRide and Dustin said yes, that was the one thing he does. so if we want to debate anything, maybe it should be if a person can be labelled a part of Gay Culture if they choose NOT to be part of it. do we look down at that person for their Choice NOT to join in? anyways, I'm out. I am starting to like Kail, she is one wiley game player. Like a good business woman, she sure is networking!
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:27 pm
Kail bugs me in a lot of little ways, enough to make me dislike her in general. I am not very tolerant of the whole "I'm so sheltered, I just don't know about the gays" shtick. It's 2007, for heaven's sake. I don't believe that there is any such thing as "the gay lifestyle" or that Dustin is living it, anymore than I believe that I am choosing "the oxygen lifestyle" when I breathe in and out.
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Castleexplorer
Member
08-10-2005
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:31 pm
ROFL Guinev!! I'm choosing the oxygen lifestyle, too. Someday that may change but then I suppose it would be called a deathstyle?!?!? Can anyone be stylish in death? Dang, I maybe need to go and pick up my hormones at the pharmacy!!!
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:32 pm
Wonder what Kail thinks of my wheelchair lifestyle?
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Zachsmom
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:35 pm
sunshyne, culture and lifestyle are two different things all together. people from many different cultures can live the same lifestyle. there is no such thing as a gay lifestyle anymore then there is a straight lifestyle.
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Monday, July 30, 2007 - 1:48 pm
Kswheels, I bet she'd be heartbroken if one of her kids "chose to be in a wheelchair..."
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:45 am
Amen, Zmom, Amen! Oh, and I would be sure the first thing out of my mouth had I been asked "if my child chose a gay "lifestyle" would have been, "It's not a choice!" I'm very adamant about that. I've experienced in the smallest degree, what gay people go through since I've been assumed gay because of the people I am with. I've never had such filth said to me in my life. One "Christian" (I am Christian, so please don't think I'm bashing Christians) woman screamed and me and my then 16-yr-old DD that she would show us the hole to hell that God dug for us when we die of AIDS. I've had turkey basters waved at me..the list goes on. Yes, these were very extreme people, but there's not a day that goes by that you won't hear someone say a gay slur. Choice, yeah, sure. My son turned out not to be gay. We thought when he was younger he might be. My gay friends would joke with me & ask what I was going to do if it turned out he wasn't gay. I'd tell them, "We'll just love and accept him anyway." 
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Sunni
Member
07-05-2007
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 3:30 am
My daughter is gay and I don't believe she 'chose' to be that way. It can be such a rough road, why would anyone 'choose' to be gay. I really resent Kail's attitude. I hope what goes around comes around to bite her in her snooty arse.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 3:46 am
Someone should ask Kail why she chose the heterosexual lifestyle. If the gay lifestyle is chosen, and Kail "conciously" chose NOT to pursue the gay lifestyle, then she should have a reason she chose to be hetero. Peer pressure? Family pressure? I think if Kail had to defend her sexual orientation, she might begin to understand others'.
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Minerva
Member
02-20-2007
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 5:28 am
I have a question. Why did Kail leave Jen in the room alone with Dick if Kail was worried about Jen? Why didn't she go get help if she was so concerned? With friends like that, well you know how it goes.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 5:43 am
Minerva, Kail was upset with herself for doing nothing. She was intimidated by Dick at the time. Later last night she was beating herself up about not defending Jen and she told Dustin that if one of her daughters saw her standing by and doing nothing, it would set them a terrible example. I believe she was sincere.
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Minerva
Member
02-20-2007
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 5:53 am
Okay, I turned off the feeds before that happened (Kail and Dustin conversation). I have a daughter around the same age as Jen and it upset me that Kail just left the room without at least trying to get Jen to leave the room as well. JMO
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:07 am
Kep, she'd turn back to the bible to answer that question. Minerva, I wondered the same thing. She just got up and left the room.
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Sidecar
Member
07-23-2007
| Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 2:29 pm
Did anyone catch Kail after her very long DR session? She was up in the HOH with Jen, I think they were alone; This was AFTER, the tea incident. She started talking about her family a little bit and how she is sure they are all watching the feeds 24/7, probably taking turns, including her parents. It sounded like they and her husband in particular weren't crazy about her coming on the show. Only her sons were fans of the show. I detected embarassment, like when she gets home, she is going to hear a lot of "I told you so" She said my husband would say Come Home, when Jen asked what do you think he is thinking. I for the life of me cannot figure out what she is doing on the show.
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Beequeen
Member
08-02-2007
| Friday, August 03, 2007 - 6:13 pm
I think she is just very naive....has not experienced the "world"...and is not open to it.She reminds me soooo much of the bb6 winner
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 7:12 am
I just realized something... you know what really bugs me about Kail? Why won't she call Dick by his real name? I'm so tired of her calling him "Evel". I think there's a motive there and I'm not sure I understand it. And yeah, so it's his nick, but 100% of the time? What, Kail? Can't you say the word? Dick! Dick! Dick! It's just a name!
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Junerose
Member
07-20-2005
| Monday, August 06, 2007 - 11:27 am
Jameka won't say it, either. She spelled it out when talking to Amber and Dustin last night.
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