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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: Religion in the BB house: ARCHIVES: Archive through August 10, 2007 users admin

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Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I am relatively neutral on this issue, so maybe a good person to start the thread. Jameka's religious beliefs are getting a lot of attention on the boards and in the house. Some think that she's a hypocrite because she professes to be a Christian but acted like less than an angel with Dick. What do you think?

Personally I think everyone has a set of beliefs, whether they are labeled as religious or not. Whether they follow that code or not depends on how high they set the bar for themselves. That's why i forgive Jameka--she's trying, after all.

Nick
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07-31-2004

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
Ok.. I'll move my post over here:

First, yes, Christians are human and they do sin and when they do it is important to learn from it and deal with it head on.

Second, yes walking away is one option. However, in an enclosed environment like the BB House it might be a difficult option. I see no reason not to stand up and confront a person but it is in how you stand up to them. Falling into their game of retorts and insults isn't really standing up to them. Speaking quietly without profanity and stating your opinion or asking quietly for the person to stop ranting on them or to keep their distance or finding some other context to express your viewpoint without following their lead would be (in my eyes) also a very significant way to deal with this situation.

It's also extremely effective. Try it sometime with someone who's angry. The quieter and more politely you speak while getting your point across seriously helps subside the argument. You also usually garner quite a bit of respect from the person and relationship development with that person is usually much easier going forward.



Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
I don't see anything wrong with what Jameka did last night...hey I am a fan of Dick after all. I have a problem with her and her beliefs...and where they were last night. She could have walked away...I don't care how small that house is...Jess was in the HOH, go up there.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Why do people have to make religion an issue in the BB house year after year? I just don't get it. Bringing up religion just makes people look bad when they act in a way that is considered to be the opposite of the way that a truly religious person would act.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
Because everyone (okay, not everyone, a majority) of people like to think that their religion is the "right" religion and people who don't believe or have any bad things to say about their religions, they get hot and heavy.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Yes, but why bring it up at all? I have been cooped up at camp when I was a teenager and at an intense summer program while at university. I know that sometimes when you are around the same people day in and day out you feel like you know them, but I never would have thought of bringing up the religion issue. In this country it is plain and simple: taboo.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
I usually stay away from topics on religion. I am kind surprising myself by posting in here. So here goes nothing.....

I don't think religion in itself is a big deal in the BB house. Just like in life. You either have it or you don't.

I never gave it a second thought with Jason, Jee or Kaysar. All 3 of them just lived their religion, it was a part of who they are. None of the of 3 ever used their religion as a crutch or a weapon.

I think much of the controversy surrounding Jameka is she brought her religion with her in a very large, vocal way. I am not saying that is wrong. If it is right for her, then it was right thing for her to do. But, in doing that you take the risk of when you stumble and fall having a bunch of people pointing at you saying "ooooh, look what you did". That is what seems to happening to her now.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Maybe because religion is apart of their life and is always with them. So why should they change that just because they're on BB?

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
exactly mocha.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
I never gave it a second thought with Jason, Jee or Kaysar. All 3 of them just lived their religion, it was a part of who they are. None of the of 3 ever used their religion as a crutch or a weapon.

BINGO, Biloxibelle. I couldn't have said it better.

IMO, Jameka has made HER religious beliefs fair game.

Dbald
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08-04-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dbald a private message Print Post    
What I don't understand is why it is necessary to convince someone you are honest by using the words *well, I'm a Christian*. It's as if the opposition is expected to jump up and say, "oh, they must be telling the truth then." Personally, when I say something to someone I expect them to take me at my word simply because that is what I have or expect to prove to them...I think its called trust. When you apply for and then accept the space in the big brother house you either earn the other guests trust or you don't by the actions you display not by believing God speaks to you through ping pong balls.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
There is nothing wrong with having a religion and making it part of your game. The problem starts when you put down others and use your religion as a means of an excuse. It's taking responsibility for your actions. Whoever it is, you put your religion out there, there is bound to be at least one person who will disagree with you...and if you are a bigger person and truly believe in your faith...then you will ignore that person...

Nick
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07-31-2004

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
When you apply for and then accept the space in the big brother house you either earn the other guests trust or you don't by the actions you display not by believing God speaks to you through ping pong balls.

ROTFLMAO but oh so true...

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Whether you use religion to put someone down in the game or you just put someone down It amounts to the same thing. Judge the action itself and not the reason behind it. Jameka should not be held in a higher standard just because she professes to be Christian.

Beckie03
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07-05-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beckie03 a private message Print Post    
You are right Joy, but Jameka has had this holier than most people in there from week one.

Jeannie23
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07-16-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeannie23 a private message Print Post    
Jameka should just be gone out of the house with her superior attitude and all that goes with it. Please BB, don't cast these bible thumpers again. I had enough with the twins.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
She sure should be if she places herself up high on a pedestal.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Jameka thinks she is right. Dick thinks he is right. They are going to bump heads. More and more people are going to stand up to Dick now because they are tired of his tirades. I don't think religion has much to do with it. I think they are just ready to tell him to shush up.

Jeannie23
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07-16-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeannie23 a private message Print Post    
Neither one is right. The differance is that Dick never was anything else but himself, abusive as that may be. I disliked him a lot at first but after seeing the behavior of Jameka and her co-horts, I've decided Dick is the lesser evil.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Jeannie I also see religion as Jameka being herself. It seems fairly ingrained. I don't think I spelled that right lol

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I appreciate the fact that Jameka is strong in her religious beliefs....
What I have a difficult time with is her preaching to everyone, and her making judgements on everyone else's "goodness" quotient.
There are so many quotes in the Bible that cover this particular topic, but probably the most famous...Do not judge, as you too will be judged. She uses the Bible as her shield in a game where people lie about themselves and others. She says she doesn't lie, and I will not judge her truthfulness, but she does not seem to object when others in her alliance say that they are going to do it. She does not object when a member of her alliance disparages another religion or culture (other than to warn her that the internet might not understand), and she doesn't object when members of her alliance cast slurs against those not in her alliance.
That's why I have a problem with Jameka and her use of the Bible in this game.

Celticlass
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09-10-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Celticlass a private message Print Post    
The pick and choose nature of Jameka is what I have against many Christians I have personally known. They use what they like and disregard what they don't. That just seems so wrong.

Jeannie23
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07-16-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeannie23 a private message Print Post    
Another Bible Quote- Remove the board from your own eye before looking for the speck in another's. Jam needs to get the 2 by 4 out of her eyeball.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Keldogg you said that you felt that Jameka uses her religion as a shield. I think she does also. Perhaps her coping skills?

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
Or a scapegoat.