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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:24 pm
I expect there will be a number of you that read that and said - well d'uh! However, for me, this has actually come as a shock! (Mybe I am a little slow on the uptake). Let me start by saying I really wanted this Final 2. I have been an avid D/D supporter from early on. I loved the way they worked together to pull this off and totally celebrated when the did make it to F2. Having seen them strategize together all season for some reason I really saw them as having a joint goal of F2 together. Certainly I saw Dick fight tooth and nail for both of them, and as we all know when it came down to a choice he threw himself on the sword for her with the Veto. There was never any doubt he wanted them BOTH to win. Daniele gave me a glimmer of feeling otherwise when she made the deal with Amber about using veto on her and did NOT include her Dad when Amber was willing to give anything. However I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. No more. The way Daniele has handled herself since they ended up in F2 has been telling to me and I now realize that she was never playing for both of them, IMO, but was using him to get to the end without a thought to his success. She had to be thinking they would hate him so much she could coast to the win now and walk away from him. Dick suggeested a couple of weeks ago that if they made F2 they should present themselves as a team to the jury, as one. She would have none of it. Once he won final HOH and she got what she had been after, she was done with him. This should have been a supreme moment of triumph for them! They could have danced with joy , had a wonderful time together, and thumbed their noses at the sour grapes from the jury of people they said bye bye to. Instead, she is whining, sulking, and treating her dad terribly.They could have faced the jury side by side as a team and nothing those guys said would have even mattered. But Daniele would have none of that. After the jury she blamed him for the way they treated her and the fact they thought she rode him to the end. She could have answered every concern from the position of them having worked together to get there. Instead she met it the way she has met everything- whining, complaining, and refusing to accept that it took BOTH of them , working their butts off, to get to this point. Another, somewhat humorous thing is that she wants to do things like the Early Show and Housecalls without him. What a shock it will be to her to realize tht the two of them together is the story this year and she is inexorably bound to him for her fifteen minutes of fame. It would be great if she could see how wonderful it is that they did this together and celebrate it with grace. She lost me as a fan after Thursday. I want Dick to win the big money because unlike Daniele, he knows he is a part of a team and will act accordingly.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:33 pm
I agree GAL. This year's BB has been a series of disappointments for me and this is just the latest.
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:37 pm
I am glad you agree but I am not GAL, lol.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:37 pm
PSST Jimmer - that was a fabulous post from Meggie. Megs, I agree. I wasn't surprised by Dani's attitude, just shocked at her inability to process the vaguest bit of joy for herself or her father.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:38 pm
LOL Megs. I agree to some extent. Yes, I've wanted these two in F2 almost from the beginning. And I can't understand Dani's attitude towards her father. I don't know if she even realizes that she probably wouldn't be there now except for him. I think Dick thought "get both of us to the final 2 and we'll share the prize and the glory." I think Dani thought "I just want to win and it doesn't matter how it happens." I don't think Daniele is mature enough to realize exactly how she got there, and that coming in second isn't really a bad thing. Of course, I assume that Dick will share his largesse with her. Maybe she thinks he won't and that's the problem? She's young enough and competitive enough that her ego may prevent her from enjoying the position she's in now, even if it may be second place. I've pretty much always wanted Dick to win. At one point I thought there wasn't a snowball's chance he'd make it to F2 at all. And as I started to become impressed with Dani's game (strategy, comp wins), I was hoping she'd make F2, also. I can't wait to see Daniele during her interviews. If she wins or loses, I hope she realizes she needs to present a much better face than she's been showing on the feeds. She's really turned into a poor loser, and that just doesn't sit well with me. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are both where they are and I think they deserve to be there. I just wish she'd appreciate it a bit more. I was really looking to enjoy the last couple of days with them in the house. And she's spoiled it. P.S. Megs, I'm online!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:38 pm
GAL? Is GAL channeling Megs these days? 
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:44 pm
Poor Jimmer - it's the end of the season and he's just plain tired. lol What has me confuzzled are her Diary Room moments. Was she just telling BB or everyone what they want to hear -- that she is working toward making moves that are right for her and her Dad to make it to the end? She wanted that but then wanted to win and would have it no other way?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:49 pm
LOL - I should probably go edit that but .... oh well. Great post Meggie.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:49 pm
Yeah, she's confused me a bit on some of her statements, Bonza. And her utter joy when she or her dad won three out of the last four comps. She went RUNNING into Dick's arms after he won part 3. Did she just make an assumption that he would roll over and let her take the money? Or did she really think she deserved it? Personally, I think Dick had most personal connections with the HGs. Other than the occasional rant and rave (and his genuine dislike of Jen), he mostly had some decent convos with the others. He actually even had some good convos with Jen. Daniele, OTOH, didn't really spend much time getting to know anyone.
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:50 pm
That is what I thought too Bonza but I see it differently now. I think he was a means to the end for her. I expect it is her immaturity but she played the end all wrong IMO. They both played a great game. They are my favorite final 2 ever. I just wish she knew what they have. It could be such a triumphant time for them instead of the torturous time it has become.
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:53 pm
Costa I think she really thought he would hand the game to her the way he vetoed her. It made her furious that he dared to stand up for himself last night. p.s. stay online later!
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:54 pm
imo, danielle wanted dick at the end cuz she assumed it was an easy victory for her. so of course she said in dr's that she was about the 2. she loved it when dick want crazy on people cuz in her mind it made her more attractive at the end. she will present a whole new attitude on the cameras are on her at the finale and talk shows right afterwards cuz she is extremely fake to people unless she can benefit from them. if dick wins she will be a "good daughter" just long enough to get some money out of him, then she gone.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:54 pm
I'm staying online!!! I do think she thought he'd give it to her. I mean, he did obviously play for her all season long. So when it comes down to the very last bit of gameplay, she expected him to roll over and play dead. I'm very glad he didn't. I don't think he campaigned to win himself, but I don't think he said "give it all to her" either.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:56 pm
"Confuzzled" is a great word I'm going to commandeer it to my own use. Bonza, I'll try to give you credit when I remember. Maybe you could do a trademark of Bonza that I could just attach to it or something LOL.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:57 pm
Yep, there's that utter joy she exhibited when Dick won part 3, and there's that immaturity that seems to rule her outer shell. She is so guarded that we will probably never know what's really on her mind right now. Well, everything suuucks, but deep down we just don't know what's up with her. I am holding out hope for a shared triumphant moment before Tuesday night, but if it doesn't come, I won't be surprised in the least.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 4:58 pm
Ever the optimist, eh, kitty? (Honestly, me, too, until I saw and heard the fallout from the jury questions.)
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:00 pm
Bonza, she had to be supportive of him and want him to get to the end. Yes, she wants to win, but this way she wins if he wins too. Second place with anyone else is just 50 grand. This way she gets more. BTW, I just wanted to say after reading her live journal, I am sooooo done with her. It appears that she and Dick had a pretty good relationship where they went out to eat and to movies pretty regulary. Then she posted about him being critical of her looks (it was when she was going through a few hair ccolorings), then she moved in with Kris and was complaining because he texted her like 30 times. Sure he did...he knew she was mad and she just stopped seeing him all at once. If anyone else read it and saw something different...let me know. I'm seeing a very self centered person that doesn't even think of how the other person feels.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:01 pm
Costa - lol - well, she hasn't spoken to him in something like 15 hours, so I'm in some sort of pathetic denial. GAL - maybe you could just PayPal me an agreed upon amount each time you use it. 
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Scribe
Member
08-16-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:07 pm
Sabbatia - read the same but saw something ion addition ... from when she was 15 she seemed so unhappy and sad ...she would show up for soccer practice and no one else would be there..she had trouble with her grandparents though I am sure they were doing the right thing she was constantly rebelling always wanting to be older always bored and sad .... feeling this thing for Kris and unable to tell him for months ... just hard to see that she was getting help with her adjustment problems ... Christian School, heavy into bands, taking pictures of herself , very me always...thinking of LIndsay pregnant and commenting that LIndsay did not have time for what was bothering Dani...she seemed really alone and disaffected...I thought it was a cry for attention and real sadness on her part ...it doesnt seem to have gotten better ...
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:08 pm
Meggie...what a great topic and what a great post. Thank you. GAL...you always say what I wish I could say. Bonza...Confuzzled, I love. I am holding out hope that Daniele is in a "state" right now and will find her way out of it. Perhaps timing was wrong for her. I can sort of remember being like that and then two days later, the world was okay again. Get my drift? I know that may be ridiculous to hope, but I do hope it because I want it to be true that they played for eachother and have created the common ground they seem to have been missing for so long. I can see, in my mind, her quietly getting out of bed, going to him, and just talking. Folks have been saying all season that it's been scripted and in my version of the script, that's what would happen. Sadly, of course, I don't think it will.
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Scribe
Member
08-16-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:08 pm
her father sees her as obnoxious but also as a fragile young person and he recognizes she needs care ...
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:09 pm
He texted her 30 times? That is absurd. My mother stalks me like that and my husband and I can get really tired of it. The phone can ring all day long sometimes. It's part of her mental illness, just can't let things go. I have always felt empathy for Danielle, I do not have a good relationship with my parents, and did not like Dick's attitude and way of trying to force her to be in a relationship. It is okay to walk away.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:13 pm
Web, it wasn't 30 times in 10 days. It was over a period of time (a fairly decent amount of time if I recall).
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:22 pm
Still, if she wants space and doesn't want to talk to him then he has to be the adult in the relationship and give it a rest. If I were in a bad situation with my children, I would hope that I would contact them once and say, "I love you and I'll be here for you when you're ready to talk." I would hope that they would contact me but I would give them their space. To me, it's very selfish (and these two are two peas in a pod) to want to push yourself on someone that doesn't want a relationship with you. True love would give them space.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:33 pm
If I had a problem with my child, I would try and try to contact them. I would leave messages and texts. I would write letters. I would call. And then, at some point, I would stop...and wait. I, personally, do not thing 30 attempts to contact someone close to me over, say, a three month period of time, is excessive...especially if they were short texts such as "call me" every few days.
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