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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 8:58 am
I just want to say WOW! That was a brutal competition. I suspect they did not expect it to go as long as it did, expecting that jumping the rabbit would have ended it sooner. Kudos to both Zach & Dick for lasting so long and to Dani for taking care of both of them afterwards.
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Ace232521
Member
09-09-2004
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 8:59 am
Well said, Messalina
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:00 am
Actually I blame Dick more because he was the parent and I think she learned those tactics FROM him. He could have set the better example. I certainly would not do that because my child asked me to. I would have corrected them and told and shown them that that was not the way to behave. Above all I would stress good sportsmanship to them.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:00 am
Mess that's well and good and I do NOT disagree that Dick was out of line yesterday. BUT he and Dani played this game from day 1. Zach has played about 4 days of the summer. That to me is the deciding factor. He just sat like a lump the rest of the time, not adding much. At least Dick and Dani played hard out, and also had some personal chats etc. Zach just endured it like a prisoner doing his time, and just started playing after being dragged to the end. And he got there by lying btw. So not like he is wearing a halo either. Plus all the things Dick said he said...he DID say or do. Didn't enjoy hearing em for hours, but he did say em.
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Messalina
Member
06-19-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:01 am
Thank you, Ace.
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Holly
Member
06-19-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:01 am
Messalina, I agree with you. Zach IS the winner already, isn't he? He will always be remembered for his humane and classy behavour after that amazing HOH last night. I'll never forget the crumpled, totally beaten image of Dick last night as he stood there like a collapsing, drowned rat. The other image I have of him is the posturing, chest beating bully spouting forth filth and abuse (at his "sweet" daughter's command, no less, whilst she smirked and giggled as her dad called Zach a poster-boy for pedophiles and ridiculed the size of his penis, etc.) all in an attempt to put Zach down and make him quit. What a come-uppance he got last night. Yup, Zach is indeed the winner regardless of money! I hope Dick learned something from it, I really do. At least compare his substance to other people's.
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Messalina
Member
06-19-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:02 am
Lurk, you didn't like the HOURS Zach spent saying bad things. I didn't like the WEEKS Dick has spent saying bad things. But, that's just me.
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Jaided
Member
08-04-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:04 am
I am just gonna post my 2 cents here... LOL While they were on those blocks with rain pouring on them, they were playing a game... each with their own stratedgy and plan. Sure Dani suggested Dick go off on Zach, but that has always been how Dick played the game, and it HAS helped him before... so why stop now? But once Dick key fell, what *I* saw, was the three of them have immense mutual respect for eachother. The game seemed to be gone in those moments. Daniele took to being the caretaker and took care of Zach just as much as her own father. She didn't have to.. but she did. She had genuine concern for them BOTH! They are in a game and it is down to the finish line, and you can't stop playing now! I have said this before... I bet the Jury house people.. even the ones who were angry at eachother are getting along great because the game aspect is gone.. they dont need to plot against eachother anymore and that makes a huge difference. They all showed heart last night... and I was touched watching it.
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:05 am
Floating and laying low is playing the game. Zach's won when he needed to to keep him in the game. That's game playing, whether anyone likes it or not. It's not game playing that's easy to see, but it's still game playing. They've all lied.
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Jen
Member
07-27-2003
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:05 am
Weeks? Try 3 months.
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Beetleyepie
Member
07-23-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:05 am
While I am rooting for Zach, I am concerned that Dani may be playing Dick to her advantage and then brush him off/ignore him when the show is over. You can tell he genuinely wants a relationship with her whereas she tends to alternate her attitude toward him. Strategically it makes sense to do her darndest to get his full support. But I hope it isn't all a plan, and that she does intend to connect with him more outside the house. I hope that Dick will fight for himself in the next competition since he was such a strong player last night. Perhaps sweetening the pot with a prize would make him more inclined to play for himself?
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Justpassingby
Member
08-14-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:07 am
Bravo, Jaided!
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Asil
Member
08-12-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:08 am
Lurk, couldn't 'laying low', flying under the radar be playing the game? - I mean, he's soaked in everything, listened to what is going on, formed opinions -and went along with whatever helped him at that time.... I think that he's played the game from day one, just a different type of game is all.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:11 am
Asil that has been argued and some agree, but the game play I respect and I think should WIN any game is those that play with their heart to win from day one. Not someone who stays on the sidelines, and comes in fresh in the last 2 min. That wasn't the team that got to the finish line IMHO. It's not even like he played quietly behind the scene's, talking to people etc. He just hid there all summer. So sorry, him standing in the rain last nite for many hours isn't enough for me to feel he should win this (and grabbing balls one other time). Both contests btw that are fit his build the best FWIW.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:11 am
Sure flying under the radar is playing the game, but it is a totally boring game to watch. Watch everyone try to fly under that old radar next year. Snoozefest 2008.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:11 am
Great post at 8:55 Lurk!!
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Jodikay
Member
07-26-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:13 am
I agree with alot of what you're saying Delilah, again, it's just how far they take everything. I think even now, they can't see Zach's side of things. Yes, it's game, but the attack is so personal, and can affect Zach outside the game, that's what bothers me. Dick did impress the heck out of me on how long he lasted.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:14 am
btw Mess I said a LOT more than that...it's not just one factor. D/D played all out in every comp, every week. Zach did not. But I'm being redundant. But to just pull one thing I said and refute it isnt' fair when it's part of a bigger pie! Refute the entire pie please if you are gonna pick at my posts! TY!
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Ace232521
Member
09-09-2004
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:14 am
I don't know that I would call Zach a classic floater or someone who flew under the radar. I think he would have welcomed a solid alliance from early on. He was just never given that chance, so he played the only kind of game he could at that point. If it gets him to the end, then good for him. He's winning when it counts, and not to be obvious, but isn't that the goal? There has got to be some strategy in not being the bad guy along the way. Yes, D/D have played hard. They've had a hand in every eviction, sometimes that wins it for you, sometimes it doesn't. I don't think they are the lock they think they are, though, and they should be very afraid of Zach making it to the final two.
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Hookedagain
Member
07-19-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:15 am
Question for thought I sent Poptart and email about this... Poptart said that Zach hit the bunny and it stopped over Danis carrot, (I missed half of the feeds cause my cable went out and I have cable modem) If that is the case and I went back and stopped my granddaughters Barney...LOL to check my DVR and one of the rules was from Julie, If you stop the bunny you are disqualified?? Anyone see it happen Zach hitting the bunny?
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Ace232521
Member
09-09-2004
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:17 am
What is poptart?
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:17 am
Zach has played about 4 days of the summer. That to me is the deciding factor. He just sat like a lump the rest of the time, not adding much. Lurk, look where it go him! He's not been doing totally nothing. He observes. That can serve him well.
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Messalina
Member
06-19-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:17 am
Thanks, Holly. Jen, I started to write "months" but I decided to give ED some credit for those times he acted more like the HGs of the past. For example when he told Jen he would lay off her for a while and actually did behave better toward her for a short time. I'm impressed with his ability to last as long as he did during last night's comp. I want to be as fair to him as I would like for him to be fair in his personal behavior toward other HGs. At the same time I give him props for the things he has done right, I find his overall score in the totality of the "Game" of BB to be dismally low. I felt empathy for his physical distress last night but still find his personal attacks on Zach to be unforgivable. I kept thinking of how hurt Zach's parents must have been hearing those things directed toward their son. This year has been a miserable experience for me. Glad it's winding down. 
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Hookedagain
Member
07-19-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:18 am
Lurknomore I agree with your post the biggest competitor should win the game.....
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Boosmom
Member
12-12-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 9:18 am
who won
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