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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Monday, September 17, 2007 - 1:26 pm
Reallurk nope I really felt BB should have done something, But when AG appeared on Housecalls on Friday, it was clear they weren't doing anything.
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Cinder
Member
09-01-2000
| Monday, September 17, 2007 - 1:31 pm
I think Zach could have been convinced (especially if he were already convinced to use the veto) HOWEVER- we were leaving out the "AP" vote- and Eric would have voted for whoever America told him to vote for (but supposedly "America" told him to get Danielle nominated- but that was not an accurate vote considering there were only like 15 minutes to vote) In the end- it WAS A FF week- and BB throws those in for a reason- to add more drama- and change the game up- and it did. I have finally become ok with the final 2- and wonder if BB plans to continue to cast people who know each other in the game. OF COURSE- they were a strong alliance- and the others should have gotten them out sooner- if they wanted a chance to win.
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Rebelgurl
Member
08-13-2006
| Monday, September 17, 2007 - 1:32 pm
I think if Eric hadn't been the AP it would have been a whole different game, meaning Dick would have probably gone out a long time ago. Instead he had to do what "America" chose for him to do. But, I don't think Eric would have made it too far with his lack-luster HOH and POV performances. JMO
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Monday, September 17, 2007 - 1:43 pm
Big Brother is always full of ifs.. If....Will didn't insist on Boogie, someone else would have won All Stars. If...Howie hadn't voted out a Sov 6 player, we would have had a very different season finale. If...Houseguests didn't see all of Dani BB3's Diary Rooms she would have won instead of Lisa. The list is endless. It is what it is. Dick and Dani are at the end, regardless of how they got here. Some, including me, think they had some great competition skills and nohow and were not just carried along by the AP. Dick was NOT saved by Eric's vote, others voted for him, even Jen. It goes on and on..........
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Foolscap
Member
09-04-2004
| Monday, September 17, 2007 - 4:29 pm
Milosmom, thanks for pointing those things out. I keep reading about how things on the show are rigged and scripted and it kind of reminds me of how some kids feel when they find out about Santa Claus. I'm not saying some bitterness might be justified, but reality shows, especially Big Brother, have always edited to create certain impressions and tried to influence the participants. Or so it seems to me. I expect as much and just factor it in, and enjoy the shows for what they are. It's an inperfect world. I've loved this season's Big Brother.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Monday, September 17, 2007 - 5:19 pm
I think they were great competitors AND saved by the AP. Both happened. To me, they were the typically strong player that gets voted out before the end because everyone sees it and boots them. The AP thing prevented that.
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Hookedagain
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, September 17, 2007 - 8:02 pm
Little fun on the topic: Amber: No one could understand her for crying, Which one thinks, "I am going to be The Next Top Model, as I go around being a motivational speaker , God I can't." Jameka: MMMMMMM HMMMMMMMM, Wow!! Dustin: Silence! I need you to raise your hand after I ask the question before you answer! Zach: The person that wants to invest in my ideas will get my vote... Anyone? Eric: Jessica would not let me have any questions after I promised her She was not going anywhere. Which one will let Jessica take their place so I can go to Kansas, these red heels I am clicking are NOT working... Jessics: Eric wants to know if I can take either of your places, Amber really want a good person to win? Boooyah! Jen: I did not get to the final two...Me, me, me, me...I am in the final 2 right? I will just have to figure out how to make money on my red unitard...
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Monday, September 17, 2007 - 8:20 pm
LMAO Hooked. Now THAT'S funny!!
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Jblaca
Member
09-14-2007
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 12:17 am
I am pleased with the final 2 as well. First time I haven't hated at least one of the final 2. Dick was an ass but it didnt bother me cause it was always against someone who deserved it. He made me LOL many times this season with his mouth. It would've been fun to see AP make final 2 but this works.
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 12:27 am
Dani won 5 pov's and 2 hoh's so she certainly earned F2. Dick won 2 hoh's. That's 9 comps between them. They are the best game players.
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Rbk10
Member
08-12-2005
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 12:37 am
Hey NY, Dick-3 hoh and one pov.. DAni and Dick has 3 nom time.. as Lucky Charms.. they are in F2 now!
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 12:40 am
Even more- good.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 5:24 am
They are the only ones who sort of figured out that Eric was not the guy next door. They used their brains to try and disect what was going on in the house, which for me was a welcome change from what we have seen in the past. They were able to "put things together" better than any players I have ever seen. Yes the jury will be bitter, and yes the people who don't like them will be bitter. From season two until now the finale will be no different. The only time I saw this board or any other most unhappy in the outcome was Jun and Allison, yet it was the year most of us got along and agreed that we couldn't stand either one of them. Rarely, if ever can I remember anyone being happy about the outcome of that year, and the jury couldn't even vote for who they did or did not want to win..it was the worst. At least this year every jury member has had one or more "good" experiences with either Dick or Dani. "Sour grapes?" yep, every year, but hopefully since the jury are gamers they will weigh in their own minds who played better. Personally I think they both played a great game and have no idea what criteria the jury will choose. I would chose Dick simply because he deflected attention off Dani so she could win the comps, and he would then be able to convince enough of the hgs why it was important to align with him.. IMO it takes skill to get someone like Jen or Kale to work with you after you have nearly ruined their game. Let's not forget that he still had that truce with Jen, she is the one who provoked his verbal attack when she chose to do what she did with his ciggerettes. Like them or not they played the game. A year of everyone throwing comps and not using the pov is soooooo boring. This year certainly entertained us, (or we wouldn't all still be here) and personally that's why I watch. I'm hoping the jury will be fair and have each had time to reflect their own behavior before making themselves look foolish or hypocritical.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 5:33 am
I agree EM. This year, the only person throwing comps was Eric. And this year, the POV was used more than not, and that actually made for good game play. I hope the jury will be fair also. I think Dick did establish relationships with most of those on the jury. He spent the most time talking with them (mostly outside). Yeah, so he'd get into their heads, but really, they let him. I wonder if things would've been different if anyone really ever stood up to him and told him to knock it off, they knew what he was doing, and it wasn't gonna work. This is the first year since the first season that I have two of my favorites in the final two. I'm sure the jury's questions were bitter; I'm sure they are bitter for getting outplayed and evicted. But I think if they stop and think rationally about things, they'll realize that this WAS the season of the GAME. Those that stuck around longest actually played the game. I can't wait to see what the jury questions are tonight. And to see how they vote. I think if they vote based on game, then they will vote for Dick. If they vote emotionally, then they will vote for Dani. But a lot depends on how bitter they are, and I can see someone like Dustin feeding the bitter frenzy in the jury house. That is, assuming the HGs are allowed to talk game, and from what I understand, they really aren't except for when they get together to ask the F2 questions. Dick really did play a good game. He totally got himself aligned with people when he needed it, yet totally played them when he needed that. His truce with Jen, his alignment with Eric and Jessica, his "alignment" and friendship with Zach... all of this contributed to him still being in the house. That, and the silly thought that if they brought Dick to the end, they'd win against him. I think people will start to rethink that strategy after this year! 
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Foolscap
Member
09-04-2004
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 7:14 am
Earthmother and Costacat- Both your posts are very nicely put. I'd like to add something, but I think you pretty much covered it and I totally agree with both of you. AS I said in an earlier post, I think this has been a great season and I think both Dick and Dani played a great game.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 8:47 am
Me, too, Foolscap. Me, too!
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Hookedagain
Member
07-19-2005
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 10:52 am
Totally agree with Costacat, EarthMother, & Nycsoho, Dick and Dani played the better game, they deserve to be the final 2. My favorite season of all the 9 seasons!! Love it!! Waiting and wondering if they will vote for who they think played the better game or will be bitter and say I don't want to vote for either , but I have to kinda thing. I can see several doing this, Amber, Jameka, Jess, Jen, and Dustin. I feel Eric and maybe Zach will vote the most deserving...But Dick & Dani both won, they are the final 2!!
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Nancy73153
Member
08-10-2007
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 11:44 am
Well, I totally disagree that this is the best season. I personally think it is about as bad as the friendship alliance season. This is the first time I have been back into this forum since the final HOH and I refused to watch the show sunday night. I could not stand anymore of the whining and crying from Danielle and the bleeps from Dick. I will watch tonight but only because I look forward to seeing Eric reveal he has been AP. I really do not care which one wins the money. I really do not care anything about either one of them. I am sick to death of the flattery for their bad behavior and look forward to another season of BB. I hope that casting for the next show does not include anyone that knows anyone and that the sadist streak running through AG has been satisfied in this season. I look forward to the new season of shows coming up and will not look back on this season as but anything of a waste of time.
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Sunbeaks
Member
07-21-2005
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 12:38 pm
Well put Nancy. I totally agree. Speaking as a an almost 70 yr old that still carries the deep emotional scars due to childhood abuse, it really saddens me to see someone rewarded for the most verbally abusive behavior I've seen in years. I haven't been visiting the boards or watching the feeds or show since Zach left. IMHO neither one of the D's deserve to win anything! ED should have been kicked off a long time ago because of his abusive behavior.
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 3:36 pm
This is a game and within the context of the game and it's rules Dick did what he needed to win the game. This BB game is not "Father Knows Best" or "Leave It To Beaver" it's a very very difficult game and all of those who were allowed to go inside the house we made aware of just how nasty things could get. They didn't have to agree to go in. And could have left if they chose to. I'm really sorry that anyone with real emotional issues would even choose to watch the show let alone the live feeds because it warns on the live feeds that there is adult content. It is your perogotive of course to watch but then in my opinion anyone who does watch sould realize it might get very very nasty. All that being said I firmly believe the two best players are winning this game tonight.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 3:39 pm
LOL. Father Knows Best. And Cmist said "beaver!" Hehehe...
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 3:44 pm
I guess I gave away my age again didn't I?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 4:19 pm
Nah... they are always on in reruns somewhere, yes? 
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Shopstomuch
Member
07-09-2007
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 4:29 pm
I think we all view these people with a filter on our eyes based on our life experiences.. hence why some who have been through abuse etc do take Dick's words and actions in a personal light and I can very well understand that. I do see the point and having been through abuse do understand however, I just never saw him in that light for whatever reason. Maybe working with men for so many years in a mainly male environment. I do look at this though as a game, almost similar in many ways to the Survivor mantra of outwit outlast etc etc... this is a game that strips away all normal life stimuli... phones, tv's, radios etc. Then you add the context of playing a game to eliminate one person weekly. It breeds paranoia, scheming, manipulation, competitiveness, and other hosts of emotions. That while we at home can sit on our computers and judge people on their actions and words yet having never been that isolated have no clue what it is really like. I even compared this to someone in jail except in jail you even get phone calls and tv. I think that yes, in many ways a person may have this type of personality that it is magnified to the nth degree in dealing with all that is either missing or new. I had people I root for just like every year. Are they always the "popular" ones... no. I think this was a very emotional cast who made every issue a hot button issue from abuse, to sexism, to racism, to anti-semitism. Very very hot button issues and very polorizing. I think this jury will be a very personal one and have a lot of emotional issues they will be hitting on. I also think they each will be surprised to see how they do come off on camera when watching the show. I think it's going to be a rough thing to look in that mirror and see yourself in that harsh of a light as many of them will have to do.
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 4:45 pm
EM I liked your post but have to disagree about Ali in BB4. I was a fan because she did so well in the comps and was the only one capable of getting Dana out who I couldn't stand. My perverse nature wanted Ali to take 1st instead of 2nd place just to see the board explode. You had to be very careful in any support of Ali in those days. I never liked her personally but loved the controversy. I also loved Danielle not winning 1st in BB3 because everyone seem to want her to win and again, like Dana, I couldn't stand her. BB finally gave me a winner I can like - either Dick or Dani, it's a Donato year and terrific. Great Tv and I hope BB does as well next year in selecting HGs.
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