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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: Jen/Dick Fight: Archive through August 24, 2007 users admin

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Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
simply put... how would you feel if it was you? i'd be dang mad and want justice. in absence of justice then revenge.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
As it is to spit on someone...same thing.

I do not agree with this statement.

Saliva can carry germs, and as a body fluid, possibly aids.

It was TEA...cold tea at that...it wasn't anything that would harm her...

if Dick threw a bucket of feathers on her...would that be assault as well?

goodness!!

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
I don't think Dick randomly did it, he was listening in on the Jen/Dani argument and got frustrated. Again, my take, my opinion, my assessment.

Sincebb1
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08-22-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sincebb1 a private message Print Post    
Kep there is no agreeing or not..it is the same offense under the law.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
If that is true...then please show me where ANYONE was convicted of this offence.

I cannot believe Dick has been the only person to pour tea over another person....

ETA....what law? where can I read it? this I've GOT to see...

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1878594/posts

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
Case Law

<fixed link ~77>

Sincebb1
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08-22-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sincebb1 a private message Print Post    
Gidg LOL!!!

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i was held in the security office for four hours at disneyland when i was 11 for spitting off the people mover. me and my friend were in there with people who were shop lifting, drugs, drinking etc. they asked us why we were there. we said spitting. everyone laughed.

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=wa&vol=2007_app/572687MAJ&invol=4

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
all those are case law.... interpretation of the assault statute, and the interpretation INCLUDED acts which were harmful. ...burning in the eyes...urination...etc.

I would like to see the exact statute that says throwing a harmless liquid over someone constitutes assault.

Kreno
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08-21-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kreno a private message Print Post    
None of those cases apply here.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
What does the case law Gidget posted have to do with this thread?

Jen is a lot calmer about all this, Dick disgusts her, if you watched Housecalls that is about as mean as she got about him.

Backslider
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08-09-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Backslider a private message Print Post    
Technically, it was battery, not assault. The tort of battery is:
"In the United States, the common law defines the contact for battery as "harmful or offensive". The offensive prong is determined by the reasonable person standard. Looking at a contact objectively, as a reasonable person would see it, would this contact be offensive?"

I think a reasonable person would be offended by someone deliberately pouring tea over their head. It was a clear case of battery (in the civil/tort world).

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
well....Jen fans apparently view Jen as a reasonable person...and apparently she wasn't harmed or offended...

So...where is the battery?

Sincebb1
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08-22-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sincebb1 a private message Print Post    
I am sincebb1's hubby and a police officer over 29 years. Nowhere under 242 of the California Penal Code does it specify that the substance has to be "harmful" or that a battery of any kind has to inflict pain or injury. Usually these types of crimes are not committed in a police officer's presence. Police officers cannot usually arrest for misdemeanor crimes not committed in their presence, necessitating a private person's aka citizen's arrest. Then the police officer would accept the person into custody from the citizen. In Jen's case, if Jen had wanted to press charges, the videotape could be used as evidence, which you usually don't have.

Ivory_mist
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08-31-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ivory_mist a private message Print Post    
I think Jen has never ever been treated that way in her whole life....and knew Dick had anger issues.....so she just said..okay.

I am glad she mentioned on House Calls that she was angry that BB replaced Ed's cigarettes.

Backslider
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08-09-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Backslider a private message Print Post    
It doesn't matter if Jen was offended. The test is a "reasonable person". It is not any specific person, but a test done by the courts. I think if you're being honest, you would agree that a reasonable person would be offended if another person poured a drink on them on purpose.

Almost everything Dick did to Jen was meant to offend her.

Messalina
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06-19-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Messalina a private message Print Post    
Sincebb1's hubby --

Thank you for posting this. You are my new hero!

Kreno
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08-21-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kreno a private message Print Post    
I'm sitting in my law office shaking my head. I would love to take this case for Dick. There isn't a case here. And not to offend anyone but, just because a police officer could arrest someone does not make the offense criminal. No prosecutor would take this case ever.

Sincebb1
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08-22-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sincebb1 a private message Print Post    
Mess I literally got pushed off my chair LOL!

Sincebb1
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08-22-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sincebb1 a private message Print Post    
Who saying criminal offence etc. geeez people. Go back to the original question please! There is always a case history somewhere.....

Seems like everytime I answer the question it mutates...

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Thank you Kreno...the voice of reason!!!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Well if I ever decide to wander the streets doing this, I'll know where to look if I need a lawyer.

Anyway, I don't think any of this applies to the BB show so ....

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
and i repeat ... how would you feel if it was you ... outraged!