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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: Jen/Dick Fight: Archive through August 22, 2007 users admin

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Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
I smoke and off the top of my head I can only think of one time I was hard to get along with.

Casino. If I sit down next to someone that is already there I will not light a cigarette until I see if they are smoking or not. If not, I won't. If I am there first I will lay my cigarettes on the machine so anyone coming up knows I smoke.

One day I was sitting alone and already had a cigarette lit. A girl came and sat next to me. She did not say anything to me if she had it might have been different. She called a floorperson over and told him to tell me to put my cigarette out. He told her he couldn't do that, I was in the smoking area and they had a large non smoking section she could go to. She said she didn't want to go there, then looked at me and said " Well, are going to put that out?". I said "Nope, matter of fact I am going to light one and let it burn away in the ashtray". I did, she left in a huff.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
How about that fight between Jen and Dick last night??? *winks and puts things back on topic*

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
Kep, I heard it was a doozy. That Jen, such a little instigator.

Bbfaninwa
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07-26-2004

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbfaninwa a private message Print Post    
Way to bring it in there Kep

Suzsmarmie
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07-26-2005

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Suzsmarmie a private message Print Post    
Fight?? There was a fight?? Who knew????

Msstas1
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08-26-2005

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Msstas1 a private message Print Post    
My mom died of lung cancer last November directly linked to smoking for 45 plus years. I am a HUGE non-smoking advocate for EVERYWHERE except your own home or property. Okay, I'm hoppin' off my soapbox now.

Suzsmarmie
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07-26-2005

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Suzsmarmie a private message Print Post    
That's ok. I've already quit and gone to sequester at Bee's house...don't need no stinkin' stip...

Nutsy
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08-14-2001

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nutsy a private message Print Post    
I think the basis of all the contention about this fight is that smokers can totally understand Dick's anger at having his cigarettes destroyed. Allowing myself a "skid", if you will, of latitude ... it's kind of like destroying someone's medication. He's addicted. You can't just expect to destroy someone's cigarettes to stop them from smoking.

(hopping off my skid, and continuing on to Bee's, where I still wonder if Bee would like to adopt a 39-and-holding year-old)

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darclyte a private message Print Post    
Can someone PLEASE make a video of Jen's antics last night with the cig cartons and ED's cig...and maybe add in her getting iced tea dumped on her...and maybe any other scenes that would be appropriate and set them to the song "Break Stuff" by Limp Bizkit and post it on You Tube. That would rule. If I had the equipment, I'd do it, but I don't.

Bicbicz911
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08-20-2005

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bicbicz911 a private message Print Post    
Technically the BB house is the hamsters HOME for the duration. Not a workplace, they do not get paid a salary but a stipend.

The houseguests that choose to smoke do so outside, in their home, and anyone who doesn't want to breath nasty carcinogens can just remove themselves to a cleaner portion of the backyard. There are several seating areas available. Teacup, loungers, hammock.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
lol, I said "arse" so I wouldn't get red-dotted, but it may also have something to do with me reading all of the Harry Potter books - puts me in a British state of mind.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Biloxi...loved your story!

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 5:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
I am a smoker and I was completely cheering Jen on last night!!! Dick has had no problem making Jen's stay in the BB house miserable, so I thought it was about time the girl retaliated. Losing cigarettes is nothing compared to being humiliated in front others, not to mention on national television. Cigarettes are replaceable and, in fact, they were within minutes. Her reputation, on the other hand, is not. I personally thought she redeemed herself and showed that she cares more than she ever let on. JMO.

Thankfully, Jen has a fan base and people like her more than the houseguests do, but she does not know that yet. She will be much better off than some (Amber/Dustin), IMO.

Libshea
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08-31-2006

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 6:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Libshea a private message Print Post    
I finally was able to watch the feeds from last night. I felt totally uncomfortable just watching them. I can only imagine being on the receiving end of that. I think Dick's behaviour was disgusting and totally out of line and that the house guests were no less guilty by not trying to defuse the situation. Unfortunately, Dick's high ratings are just going to make him believe that everything he did was okay. Can you imagine someone talking to his precious daughter like that? Words just can't relay how sick I feel for Jen. I would have had a fit about that nasty smoking and spitting a long time ago.... And as usual, she handled herself ten times better than most could have even hoped to.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I personally cheered Jen on last night with the cigarettes and I got pissed off at BB for giving in to the fear of a Dick anger explosion. BB has created this monster, no one else is to blame.

However, I don't blame any of the other houseguests for reacting to the situation the way they have.

Jen has been the victim of a great deal of abuse from Dick. However, in the interests of a game, she decided to put that aside and establish a truce with him. She put her own feelings aside for the game.

Why should the other houseguests do any less?? Why should they feel bad about something that she was willing to overlook when it suited her purposes?

Why should they believe that she is so hurt when, in the middle of the big deal, she went to Jess and Eric and made a fuss about their alliance with Dick and Dani, even claiming that D/D had been in a final four alliance with her and Zach the week before. She was talking GAME in the middle of the whole "I hate the producers" drama.

Jen went off when she thought she had no options left. My personal opinion is that after all the abuse she has taken, she just cracked. However, I don't expect the houseguests to have the same opinion because what they saw was her deliberately going after Dick (not realizing that he had been taunting her earlier) and then deciding to eat. And now that the moment has passed (and I think that eventually they might have begun to understand) she CONTINUES to eat.

What exactly are they supposed to empathize with her about?? How horrible it is to be on the block? How horrible it is to have gotten played? How much more she has suffered than anyone else??

Again, I have a great of empathy for Jen because Big Brother has essentially promoted verbal abuse and threats as a game playing option. But I don't feel bad that the others are not supporting her in her methods because they are all still playing the game that Jen wants to continue playing.

Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 7:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
My two cents on all of it

I think Jen is the child (young adult) version of Dick

Bbnut
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06-12-2006

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnut a private message Print Post    
Jen started it all when she told him not to touch her in the first competition. She shouldn't dish it if she can't take it.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
i don't care who started it, i just want them to keep it going :-)

Rubyroo77
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08-13-2005

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 9:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rubyroo77 a private message Print Post    
Bbnut..You need to rewatch the first challenge episode. Jen does not bing up the don't touch thing- Dick said it because Jen didn't want him to be a scraper, and he said they had to alternate..and she said they did not..and then he said go to the butter pumper if you don't want me to touch you. She also didn't tell all the girls like some say- she whispered to Kail not to let dick touch them. It's right there if you rewatch it.
Really it's not fair to judge Jen for saying that..dick's son said that he was sure his dad would try to hit on the young girls..and nobody had seen the first week because they didn't have the live feeds open. We don't know what happened that first week.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 9:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
BTW has EDs son been posting over at SS today?

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 9:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Do you think Dick would be okay with a 44 year old man taunting his daughter for weeks merely b/c she didn't feel comfortable with him scraping butter off her body or having numerous houseguest gang up on her? He couldn't even deal with Jen pointing out that Dani is lacking morals or Dustin calling her a skank. I am guessing Dick would go nuts if someone treated his daughter the way he has Jen. It sounds to me like Dick is the one that can dish it but cannot take it, IMO.

Jen has been pretty civil toward Dick considering (more than I ever could be) and she managed to co-exist with him with a smile on her face for the most part up until last night. It can't be easy knowing no one likes her there and they spend a lot of time bashing her. I just think she finally had enough. JMO.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 1:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
I happen to be a smoker myself (and NOT apologizing to anyone for it either), but I was rooting Jen ON while reading (& checking YouTubes) lastnight during her bleaching foray. Creepy old, verbally abusive critter has made her life hell for so long, let HIM feel some discomfort for a change. The bleach job was great, making sure those cigs weren't going to get dried & reused. Wrong on BB for covering up ("Making Nice") the whole stinky mess and replacing the cartons (they SHOULD have also left the bleachy garbage can evidence for him to see too!). BB should just let dick do withdrawals or get him out of the house when/if he gets physically abusive, IMO.

I've seen comments, while reading the feeds, that the other HGs have made about JEN (yes, Jen!) "smelling". Hmmm, interesting. Usually, one reads "Non"-Smokers making remarks that "Smokers" smell. Maybe the HGs have sucked up enough of dick's smoke fumes that they aren't able to differentiate the whiffs of donkey excrement & thinking it must be the scent of roses.

As a Smoker, I wouldn't DREAM of blowing smoke in someone's face!! I don't even smoke in my car if there's a non-smoking passenger, plus pulling out the ashtray to leave back at home. It was a pure sign of hostility and someone just itching to create a fight. That couch outside was long and angled, plenty of room, but dick just needed to sit up as close to her as he could in order to blow smoke in her face. If dick was the only HG "allowed" to sit on that couch, then BB should have labeled it as 'dick's Smokers-ONLY space'.

GO JEN!
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Beruthiel
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08-07-2000

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 2:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beruthiel a private message Print Post    
My response to all this controversy is - BB is just loving it!
What's the saying, something like no publicity is the only bad publicity? Probably got that wrong, but the more furore there is the better they like it, and the higher the ratings.
From Kail and her prejudices, Amber and hers, the religion issue, Eric and his incest remarks, Dick and his dirty mouth, BB is eating it all up and it's filling their coffers.
They don't CARE about the Houseguests, they're just grist for the BB mill, they care only for the show, the ratings, and the money that rolls in as a consequence.
And what can we make of those who are so desperate to be on TV that they air all their dirty laundry and subject themselves to humiliation?
They aren't innocents, they know what they're letting themselves in for, so I'm sorry, I've no respect for them nor pity. They asked for it.
Following BB increasingly leaves me feeling grubby. I'm sticking to my cynicism - it helps prevent me from breaking my heart over the state of affairs.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 3:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I remember Jen telling the others that she did not want Dick touching her in the butter challenge. I think the term she used was "dirty old man"...

Dick called her on it right AT THE CHALLENGE...

Jen definitely DID start it...and has kept it going...

Easy to gloss over now that Jen has been anointed with Sainthood...but Jen has had an active part in the conflict from the beginning...

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 3:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'm really getting it after tonight.. these people have craved being on this show for years and she's been dissing it from day one. she simply doesn't have the charm of a Dr Will to get away with that.

BB really did a disservice to everyone involved, including Jen by casting her.