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Jaided
Member
08-04-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:59 am
We all know that D & D weren't speaking for 2 years prior to being on this show.. We have watched and listened about their relationship for the past so many weeks... We have seen them fight, laugh, cry and plot together.. highs and lows. Will their relationship after BB be successful or another disaster? Sadly I don't think much is going to change on the outside. I think Daniele is young and just doesn't get it and that she will further down the road when she matures and gets older. That is not a slap against Daniele.. but truth is she is only 20 and that is the age when you become an adult and you think you know everything.. but over time you start to figure more stuff out and you think about your mortality and what you have to show for your life.. (As I think Dick has been doing, hence his attempts to make amends). But I think Daniele is too stubborn right now....She has a lot of growing up to do. When things get heavy she walks away.. and I have seen this.. not just with her dad, she has walked away from a couple of people (Nick) she was engaged in a heavy convo with... In time she will be ready... but *I* think its gonna be a long long time...
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:17 am
She has shown more maturity than her father, she recognized Dick for what he is and doesn't hide the fact she doesn't love him. For that alone she gets my admiration. It's when I notice some similarities that I start to dislike her as well. I don't care enough for them to really speculate what they'll do outside the house.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:22 am
I think it is Dick who doesn't get it. He thinks that because he has decided he wants a reconciliation, that everything he has done to Dani can simply be done away with by saying he is sorry and forcing himself on her as some sort of caring, loving involved father at any time he wants to approach her and become involved -- and to lay all the guilt on her when she rebuffs him. As proof he doesn't get it, may I simply offer you the fact he honestly thinks that their being forced to live together under these circumstances and airing their problems on national television is the way to resolve whatever is between them. But then, I decided long ago he does not really want to change or to "fix" the relationship. What he wants is to use his relationship with his daughter to get his 15 minutes of fame. She is simply a means to the end -- his end, not hers.
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Tanith
Member
08-25-2006
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:26 am
Well, I think it has been disputed about how long their estrangement has been. Any "progress" in their relationship is purely Dani using her dad for the game, IMO. She will have no use for him outside the house unless it is an appearance that it a package deal.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:35 am
Sometime around 4:15 this morning, I was watching the feeds when Dick and Dani had a nice blow-up. She TRIED so hard to tell him to stop doing things that undermine what she's doing in the house (in so many words). He was relentless and self-serving (I have tried to help you, blah blah), and never HEARD what she was saying. It didn't end nicely, in fact, Dani went to bed crying. Sounded very genuinely upset to me. No matter what Dick does, if he doesn't shut up long enough and stop blowing his own horn, he will never stand a chance for a reconciliation. Dani may sometimes be a whiney brat, but if you would have heard what transpired this morning, you'd understand her position a little better. I felt so sorry for her.....
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:35 am
Sometime around 4:15 this morning, I was watching the feeds when Dick and Dani had a nice blow-up. She TRIED so hard to tell him to stop doing things that undermine what she's doing in the house (in so many words). He was relentless and self-serving (I have tried to help you, blah blah), and never HEARD what she was saying. It didn't end nicely, in fact, Dani went to bed crying. Sounded very genuinely upset to me. No matter what Dick does, if he doesn't shut up long enough and stop blowing his own horn, he will never stand a chance for a reconciliation. Dani may sometimes be a whiney brat, but if you would have heard what transpired this morning, you'd understand her position a little better. I felt so sorry for her.....
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:36 am
Sorry for the double post. I SWEAR I hit "post" only once. There are crazy things happening all over the place this season, even in my own house!!
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Kimsue
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:37 am
She has shown more maturity than her father, she recognized Dick for what he is and doesn't hide the fact she doesn't love him. For that alone she gets my admiration. Interesting......this is exactly the reason I am not a fan of Daniele's. I don't like a lot about a lot of people but I respect their right to be themselves. I also would love my Mom or Dad regardless of what ever personality flaws they had. I think her lack of desire to fix or try to look past things is immature on her part. JMO What555456..I don't think Dick thinks it will 'fix' things but it is an opportunity to find a neutral ground. Remember he is the one who has asked her to go to family counseling. She is the one who won't talk about it or say anything to even suggest she will consider it. That is sad in my book.
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:41 am
The two of them are working together in the house because they are father and daughter, and that bond, no matter how broke it is, will always be there. I think they get along enough for the house...I highly doubt that outside of the house, unless both Dani and Dick grow up and seek counseling together, will they ever be father and daughter again....
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:44 am
Kimsue, Neutral ground? On national TV? In this house? No one who really wants to repair an intimate relationship would EVER think the place to do it is in a fish bowl. And given the fact that Dani has rightly (in my view) never opened up on national TV as to what the problems are, how can you criticize her for not doing what he wants? You have no idea how he has treated her -- except he, himself, has said that the way he is in the house is the way he is in real life. THAT should give us some clue as to why she wants little or nothing to do with him.
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Wavelength
Member
07-25-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:49 am
I really think that after all is said and done she is going to be angry at him for some of his behavior in the house. Can you imagine the things he must have said to her when he was angry? It's probably bringing that all back to her. I don't think she would go for counseling. Of course it will all depend on whether they win or not. Since she likes to get what she wants and if she thinks those tactics got her to the Final 2 it might change her mind.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 11:50 am
"Remember he is the one who has asked her to go to family counseling. She is the one who won't talk about it or say anything to even suggest she will consider it. That is sad in my book." Anyone? And if the counselor doesn't happen to see things from ED's perspective....what do you think ED will say about that counselor? From watching him in the house when he doesn't like what someone is saying, I have a pretty good idea....lol
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Rubyroo77
Member
08-13-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:03 pm
What- she did open up more early this morning..she mentioned not talking to him for 2 years being her personal choice because of things that he has done to hurt her. He did use abusive speach with her this morning, also..and she told him he has issues and she said (sarcastically) your a great father! I think that because they are the same age it will be difficult for them to have a relationship outside of the house.
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Beaniebear
Member
07-10-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:17 pm
My first husband was abusive. He wanted to go us to go to counceling after I left him. I went ONE time. He used it as an opportunity to berate and belittle me in front on a new audience. I was humiliated. When I lashed back, the counselor to me to leave. Said that he didn't have time to listen to us fight. Having been through that experience, I understand why Dani doesn't want to go to counceling with her dad. It has always been my opinion that the way you treat your parents says a lot about your character. Now I have to add that they way you treat your children also reflects your character. I think that Dani has done well considering the situation she is in. I don't agree that she doesn't love her dad. I think she does love him but has some walls constructed to protect herself from his verbal abuse. I could be wrong and projecting myself onto her but it is just my opinion.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:22 pm
Well, the "Real Dick" thread has been removed. But if you had a chance to read it you'll understand a bit more the reasons for their 'unsuccessful' relationship. (I wouldn't say a 'disaster' as the title is asking.)
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:24 pm
Spunky it hasn't been removed it's been MOVED. And that thread has not one thing whatsoever to do with his parenting or lack there of!
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:33 pm
Moved to where... oh outside the House. That's a nice spot for that thread... too bad Dick is still in the house though.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:34 pm
Spunky, Not removed, just moved to "Out Of The House". You can find it here. Some of us have asked the moderators to reconsider and bring it back here so more people can readily find it and get a better idea of Dick's nature, which we believe to be peritnent to his actions in the house. ../10972/4545901.html"#E7EFEF"> | Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:41 pm
the REAL DICK thread has been moved to 'OUTSIDE of the House area' even though he is still in the house . I was just there. First it was 2 yrs, then it was 6 yrs, then 2 yrs again. Facts are, these two have been in contact one way or another thru the years. Dick is using this situation of having dani trapped in the house with him to his advantage. he is also setting it up that She is just as lambasted as he is IF she makes it to final two. If she is up against anyone OTHER than Dick she has lost. Dick has made sure of that by involving her directly in most of his tirades. She never should have left him the key and none of the other day escalation would have occurred. jen would still be eating but Dick's gloating and running around keeping the situation aflame for hours wouldnt have happened
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:41 pm
I saw that. Thanks!
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Ambi
Member
08-11-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:42 pm
Watching Dani's reactions whenever Dick comes too close to her is very telling. He invades her space and hovers over her. She needs him as a vote for her but does not really like him, at least that's my impression. I don't blame her for her reaction at all.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:44 pm
good grief I never made my point as per the topic. Disaster! there can be no success when a certain person feels that what happened in the past doesnt matter and continues to make Comments like "I've always been there for you!" Dani becomes infuriated each time he pulls that one out. (here is where I attempt a Jen-like Eyeroll before exiting)
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Tamaracsb
Member
07-12-2007
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:49 pm
I cannot speak for Dick, however, I can for Dani. Let me just say that I am not a fan of hers in the least, I've just 'been there'. When you have a father that subjects you to all kinds of abuse as a child, you LEARN to hide your feelings, and you definately don't want to 'talk about it'. Part of it is the absurd notion that 'if I don't talk about it, it can't hurt me' and the other part is not wanting to put yourself in a position that could cause him to lose control and YOU be the brunt of it. I can honestly say, that I've been there, still doing that. For Dani, I say give her a HUGE break. I don't fault Dani in the least for not having contact with him for several years at the time...it is easier to avoid all confrontation than to stupidly subject yourself to that kind of treatment.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:50 pm
Then why did she choose to apply for Big Brother with him, if she had such a bad relationship?
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Jenhavins
Member
08-23-2000
| Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:59 pm
It's interesting. I read Dani's LJ (from ages 14-current), and it seems like they had their moments, but it read like she had more of a love/hate relationship with her grandmother, not Dick. Sure, they had their gripes and she would get mad at him, but it seemed as if they were pretty close, up until the time she met and moved in with Kris. We don't know the full story. Dick is well aware he has issues (and has written about them). This can't be worked on in the current atmosphere. How did Vincent turn out to have such a level head?
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