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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: How Is She Any Different From Him?: Archive through September 16, 2007 users admin

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What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I have been reading the past few days all of the sympathy for Dick and condemnation of Dani for how she is treaing him. Interestingly enough, much of this sympathy comes from the very same people who cheered on Dick's malicious and vile treatment of the other HG's.

Dick's claim to fame is his ability to go after the jugular; to shove the kniife deeply into his victim's gut and then twist it round and round to make it really hurt.

Dani seems to have mastered the same thing; she just uses it against Dick.

Reminds me of the song Cat's Cradle.

And when I hung up the phone it occured to me, (s)he'd grown up just like me....

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
What, I have never seen any of us cheering on Dick's malicious and vile treatment ot the other hg.
That is the only thing I'll say <93>

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Maybe condoning or justifying is a better word than cheering.

Another song comes to mind...

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste...


Naja
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06-28-2003

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
<93> I never saw any cheering for Dick's worst moments by his fans.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
What, I agree with you with respect to Dani using Dick's own emotional manipulation against him.

You reap what you sow...

Anneph
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06-15-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Anneph a private message Print Post    
I think the difference is that he uses his tactics on others - not on his daughter whom he loves - and there is no denying that. She told him numerous times during that endurance challenge that she loves him - she has a strange way of showing it.

We don't know their history - and we really don't need to. We all understand that she doesn't want to air their dirty laundry - and that is fine. I think what it all boils down to is a matter of respect - Dick respecting her wishes on that and Dani just respecting him as a person, not even necessarily as a father. She shows him no mercy unless all is going her way.

If she had said to him at the beginning of the game - "Let's put our differences behind us for the time we are here and respect each other for the person (human beings) that we are we can work together and take this game by storm and afterwards we'll see where we are and where we want to go with this relationship." - I believe Dick would have respected her wishes. What Dani did, though, was act the loving daughter when she wanted to or when they were winning and then just totally disrespected him the rest of the time. Her lack of maturity comes across in her lack of communication.

This weekend should have been a celebration for them. I feel bad for Dick because he laid it all out for her - not saying she did not prove herself in competitions she did - but by his own words and actions he was playing for her and it paid off in the end. A simple word of thanks, congrats, we did it on Thursday night would have been all that Dick needed to hear. His frustration I understand, hers I don't.

I'll step off my soap box now.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I have to disagree he only uses his tactics on others. I saw him do it in a way to Dani. He likes to tell others what's wrong with them to put them on the defense. He did do that to her @ the beginning of the show.

I have no sympathy for either of them. Totally agree with 'you reap what you sow.'

Also, they both LOVE to play the victim. They are the epitomy of the saying, "can dish it out, but can't take it."

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
I've never seen them as that different except with their execution. Dani gets snippy, whiny, and walks away. Dick gets loud and obnoxious ugly in yer face and sets the rules as to what he'll scream about and what he won't (same as walking away really). I guess if they don't want their behavior analyzed and talked about, they really shouldn't go on camera 24/7 for months.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I don't feel sorry for him. She has learned from him how to treat people -- abuse them and use them for your own purposes; if they're in the way or you can't handle them, get rid of them.

When Dick was in his early 20's, he abandoned his family including his children. Dani is in her early 20's and wants to abandon her family, including her father. What's the difference?

As Onlyhuman says ... you reap what you sow.

Tissy
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07-28-2003

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tissy a private message Print Post    
I don't feel sorry for him. She has learned from him how to treat people -- abuse them and use them for your own purposes; if they're in the way or you can't handle them, get rid of them.


Exactly, how can she learn to be any different with the example she has before her.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
He would be perfectly thrilled for her if she won the big money. She would be perfectly horrified for herself if he wins the big money. That's the major difference between them.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Actually, she CAN learn to be different, she's just never had an incentive to do so because his methods have mostly gotten her what she wanted.

I come from a parent VERY similar to Dick. I knew what I didn't want to be like but I had to go out of my way to discover how I DID want to act. My sister, on the other hand, has taken all of the worst behaviors and magnified them and now her 14 year old middle son has just spent 3 months in the psych ward of juvenile hall because he has learned the same tactics. Her oldest son finally chose to leave that environment and is now a 4.0 student at a local college.

Your upbringing is going to shape who you are and how you behave but as an adult you can choose to control yourself instead of letting your past control you. Dani has the ability and the tools to change. She just has to want to do so.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
From Goddess

He would be perfectly thrilled for her if she won the big money. She would be perfectly horrified for herself if he wins the big money. That's the major difference between them.

But that, of course, is not how he acted in his early 20's when he walked out on them because having children was not faaaaiiiir and soooooo haaaaaarrrdd!

Give her another 20 years and she too may have graduated to only using and abusing non-family members.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Dick did not walk out on them. He tried to raise them after their mother walked out on them. He came to the conclusion that his children would be better off in his mother's home because of the hours he kept.
Dick is not the only parent who found it impossible to keep his children and the grandparents stepped in to care for them. Happens in the very best of families.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Well, in the Gospel according to Dick he did not walk out on them. But do we really expect he will put anything but the best spin on his actions?

Dani obviously feels that he has treated her very despicably; she though has not been so narcissistic as to think the world wants to hear about her intimate family tragedy.

Even so, if Dick is not the only parent to abandon his children for what he thought were "good reasons", it needs to be pointed out that Dani is not the only 21 yo who does not want to be with her family for what she thinks are "good reasons."

Nor is she the only child who acts just as vile and vicious as the parent she wants to be away from -- and turns what she has been taught about how to treat people on the very parent who taught her the lesson.

They are no different. She has turned out just like Dick -- because he taught her to be that way.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
What...that info didn't come from him. It's not his spin. It's Daniele's and Vincent's.

Dick did not abandon his children.

One thing I find quite interesting is that both Dick and Daniele were raised by Dick's mother. Perhaps that is the weak link as far as "parenting" goes.

Tvjunkie64
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09-04-2007

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvjunkie64 a private message Print Post    
None of us know why he abandoned (at least physically) his children. I am NOT a Dick fan, I don't like to see him sainted for being the "good person" and walking away from his kids. Shouldn't do the deed if you aren't willing to raise the consequences :-)

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Dick did not abandon his children. He has been a constant in their lives. Unlike their mother. He did not walk away from his kids.

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassynegal a private message Print Post    


He would be perfectly thrilled for her if she won the big money. She would be perfectly horrified for herself if he wins the big money. That's the major difference between them.


How do you know she would be horrified - has she said that - I must have missed it.


Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Her actions indicate she would be horrified. He wants to be happy and celebrate that the two of them are the finalists. He offered to share the money with her weeks ago. She flat out refused.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Yeah, Dick is the new spokesperson for honesty, what555. To hear him tell it, he's the only person big enough to speak the truth from the rooftop. Well, unless he's lying. LMAO.

Seems to me that Dick's kids were lucky to have the "weak link" (whatever that means) around to take over for their <93> parents.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
wow.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
The girl is horrified even when she thinks a woman may be attracted to her dad, she doesn't get it... I can't imagine what she would think (or how she would act) "if" a jury and America picked Dick over her.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Many kids are horrified that anyone would be attracted to one of their parents. LOL - Some kids are horrified over the thought that their parents are attracted to each other.

I agree though that it will be a crushing blow for her to think that some people like him more than her or feel that he is more deserving of the money. The reveal of America's Choice should be interesting.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
LOL, true, Jimmer :-)