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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 4:19 pm
LOLLLLLLLLL Smokey!!!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 4:25 pm
I think that deliberate floating is a worthy strategy. The key word is deliberate. Just muddling through the game doesn't count for much. With respect to Zach it appears that he muddled a bit during the early part of the game but he clearly picked his game up about half way through and is very deserving of his current position. I agree that seeing the DRs would greatly help fans know who was muddling and who was deliberately pursuing a solid floating strategy.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 4:25 pm
Thank you Beckie! I haven't watched Survivor in years, but runner-up is a great accomplishment on such a tough show!
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:01 pm
Er, how did I manage to kill the thread? I was enjoying it. 
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:05 pm
I think floating is the hardest thing in this game. It's nice and dandy to be in a sure alliance because it gives you temporary protection whereas the floater always risks to be put up as a pawn, just in case. Zach must have done something right to be there, he let the others eat each other up and then when the numbers were down he stepped up his game as he should have. He may have been protected later with the deal with D/D but he kept them in as well, so it went both ways. The bottom line is that he isn't complaining about the others who treated him like the plague and yet the others are complaining about him for moving along in the game... Poor sports! And by the way, D/D have been playing 'catch up' with Zach, they had to win POV just to be in F3, Zach was already there, and they now have to play Part 2 to go to part 3, Zach is already there.... Huh!!
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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:07 pm
Thank you Beckie! I haven't watched Survivor in years, but runner-up is a great accomplishment on such a tough show! yeah, runner-up on almost any show is great...nobody should be disappointed that the only got 2nd place...
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Gaylestorm
Member
08-25-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:08 pm
Floaters? I love root beer floaters. Errrr, <in my best Emily Litella impersonation> Neveeeeer mind! Now I'll kill the thread...
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Ecoop
Member
07-07-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:31 pm
I don't really consider Zach a floater in the traditional sense. Remember he was part of the first known alliance, the MRA. At least he thought he was. He thought Nick was in his alliance, but Nick quickly betrayed his alliance with Danielle. Dick destroyed that alliance early on and by that time, other smaller alliances had formed and, of course, the 7-member LNC. With Mike and Nick gone and Kail exposed and ridiculed by Dick, Zach really had nowhere to go. In addition, his social skills are greatly lacking and lived with constant ridicule from the other houseguests. He definitely took advantage of the fact that there were larger targets in front of him and did "float" for a time, offering his vote to anyone who wouldn't put him up. Maybe he did (or didn't) throw competitions to reduce that target by not being a threat. I say good for him. Whether he did it by intent or circumstance, he's in the final 3. His one major screw-up, I think, was not to use the POV during the Fast Forward. I hope he takes it all. GO ZACH
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 6:20 pm
I think Zack was a major floater. He only stepped up in the last couple of weeks. A floater can win as June won in BB4 but it is rare. Out of 8 seasons I only remember Jun. I can't call Lisa and Drew or anyone else floaters as they had alliences.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:30 am
Well, Ahnica, Jess is sort of in a category of her own. She won comps, but she let Eric override her opinions. I think she went from a gamer to a floater. When she finds out Eric pushed her not to break up D/D because of being AP, she might feel betrayed.
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Wahmmy
Member
07-24-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:38 am
So, is that a flamer or a gloater?
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Lyn
Member
08-07-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:48 am
I don't think a floater should ever win. Standing back while everyone else plays and then stepping up at the last second to say "I win" is blah. If you want to play a game then participate...otherwise stay at home and watch it on tv - you're impact on the game will be the same
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Lyn
Member
08-07-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:49 am
BTW the above was not meant to sound grumpy
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Lucymac
Member
07-06-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 7:52 am
Puzzled when Jessica finds out about AP she could just as easily forgive Eric because she will better understand why he did what he did. I'm doubting she is going to feel betrayed.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:06 am
Lyn I think in Zachs case he wasn't allowed to step up. He tried. Actually begged to be in an alliance. Tried talking game ( God knows the man could bore a person to tears ) but they wouldn't let him do anything other than "float" He did play the Donatos pretty good. They keep saying they should have kept Amber. There's a lot to be said in that statement. Apparently he played a good enough game on them that they thought he would roll over for them and he didn't. I think the negative issue many have with a floater is that some who work hard in this game envy the floaters privately. They wish they could have dodged the intensity of the game. A smart person who has "floated" in the game can turn around and say.. "I used you all." and you did it. To Zachs credit he also made sure Dick was pissed off at someone so he would keep his target on someone else. Thats a good game. So I have to say this is the first time where I've seen someone who didn't want to be a floater reduced down to being a floater and yet there was some game there along the way. He knew how to kiss Dicks ass and he also knew how to feed on his ability to be sidetracked by villifying someone. He also apparently knows how to win a few comps when needed. The luckiest floater in any reality show has to go to Vecipia from Survivor. Now that was someone who literally sat back and did zip the entire time. I can't categorize Zach in that same manner.
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Wahmmy
Member
07-24-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:19 am
I agree with C1. Now alert the media.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:20 am
I agree with most people's opions that Zach didn't float by choice-he tried to work things, but he kept getting shut out (I think the biggest thing to me when he was trying to get Jess to backdoor one of the D's when she was HOH, but got ignored). Everyone else had deals and/or feuds with everyone but him for the most part, but he just had to keep his head down, and win when he needed to (If he wins tonight, winning 3 of the last 4 HOH's is impressive plus a POV). I read an article on reality news online that compared him to someone else who did something similar-Kelly Wigglesworth from the first season of Survivor. She stayed out of the fray, but won comps when she had to. If she had been up against just about any other Survivor player other than Richard Hatch, I think she would have won that first season. I think Zach will do one better than her. All he has to do is win tonight.
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Delilah
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 8:43 am
When I think of floater, I think of someone who is in on the various factions/sides of the house and floats from one group to the other depending on where the power is. I know a lot of people don't like her, but I always thought Jun played a great "floating" game becuase she kept up relations on both sides of the house and shifted when the power did. I just don't know if I would call Zach a floater per my own description -- he didn't have friends/relationships in all camps, and he didn't move with the power (especially early on). I think he has just been his own player in this game. Not using a "floater" strategy, but just keeping his head above water until he was forced to either sink or swim. just my opinion.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:25 am
I would not call Zach a floater as much as a loner. As far a throwing comps, look at it this way. Early on, he had no reason to win them and every reason not to. If he won and caused someone to go out, he had no one to cover for him the next week and he suddenly became a target as a "competitor." I don't understand the philsophy that everyone should go all out on every competition even when the results are to their detriment. I thought the object of this game was to get to the end with the chance to win the final, not to show how great a competitor you are. I guess you can sit in the jury house sipping cold drinks by the pool and reminding yourself what a great competitor you are while the rest who used a little common sense are still in the BB house. Floaters have never bother me if they do it well. And Zach did it so well that few of them realized he was playing until it was too late. Even after he won a couple of comps, Dick and Dani were just brushing it off as luck. He even fooled most of us. I kept seening flashes of gameplay all along, but like D/D just brushed it asid as my imagination. Boy, was I wrong!
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Cousin_jake
Member
07-04-2002
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 4:16 am
I think that for some players their strategy is chosen for them early in the game. If nobody appears to be after you right away, you can afford to sit back and observe for a few weeks and try to make some personal connections. "Float" if you will. If you know that people are targeting you early on (Janelle and Kaysar during BB6 and BBAS for example, Dani and Dick from week 2 on this season) you have no choice but to try your best to win comps to stay in the game. "Floating" is NOT an option. The floater strategy is not my personal favourite. It's certainly a valid way to win, I just prefer to see people fight hard to stay by winning key comps.
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 4:54 am
It was obvious that Zach didn't want to be a floater but he pulled the trigger to fast in forming an alliance. He didn't know who he was getting into an alliance with. That was his first mistake. Then after the alliance broke down it was too late. He does not have the social skills to quickly form another alliance and by that time everyone was already making fun of his social skills. However, I think his second mistake was not attempting to even try to form another side alliance, he just went to the HOH room and said "I will vote for how you want me to vote" which is a floater strategy. I do n't like that game play but hey, it got him to F3.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 6:02 am
It always makes me laugh at how the "young studs" so often early in the game want to team up right away. They think because they are young and strong, they will win all the competitions and just roll through to the end, and be Lords of the House. Sometimes they will include one of the hot young chicks. This season it was an older woman for a change. They don't seem to realize that when they do that, they pin a great big target rignt on their backs and the first time one of them does not win, they are the ones put up, and one goes home. Then the panic starts in and the alliance begins to crumble. Or they get picked off one by one by the lesser beings in the house. The people who wait a little while to get to know each other usually have the advantage.
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