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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: Daniele played for herself-Dick played for both: Archive through September 17, 2007 users admin

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Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
I guess we see it differently Web. She was spending regular time with her dad, and then stopped. I know my parents would be calling me until we had a chance to talk it out. I had a great relationship with my Dad, and to be estranged would have weighed heavy on both of us.

Scribe, I saw those things too...but I also saw someone who got upset when her friends or family had other plans. It's like...her feelings matter but nobody elses do. I also noticed that she had at least one crush after she decided she was "in love" with Kris. Kris happened at just the right time when she was dying to get out of the house. I have to question the relationship for that reason. I also have to ask if he was ready to get married before he met her, why is her her boyfriend and not fiance? Dani is one of those people that, sadly, didn't realize that everything changes once you get out of HS.

Napa1526
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07-14-2007

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Napa1526 a private message Print Post    
I think if he would have said I love you and I'll be here when you are ready to talk and then didn't try contacting her....she would be upset over that too. I agree, she is very self centered and thinks the world should revolve around her. I really liked her until the jury questions...her actions since then have been worse than my 2 year old granddaughter when she is pouting!

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
As a parent of three mostly grown children (youngest will be 20 next mo. and well, seems younger!) I have had my times of giving them space and planting myself right in the middle of them when they didn't want me. Why? Because they go through phases and sometimes let me tell you, they can be rotten little phases. I always told them I didn't like things they did at times, but I always loved them. The problem with giving too much space for too much time is, it gets to be really uncomfortable to make that leap when the time seems right. My kids have been furious, disgusted with me at times, told me I didn't understand, the whole nine yards. No I didn't keep bugging them constantly with MY POINT, but after giving them a bit of time when the moment arose, I might repeat the message. For example, my son and his friend flunked out of college last year and he's yet to get a job. I don't harp on him every day, but I bring it up often and he always gets angry. Sorry, but I'm only looking out what I know is best for him even if he doesn't like it, even if he tell me I just remind him he's a "failure," which I have told him he is not, but he needs to step up and be the adult he wants to act like. I'm willing for him to get angry at me for the sake of helping him get on the right course in his life. My oldest is now 26 and a few years ago I about fell over when she told me something I had said quite a few years earlier, was RIGHT. She actually said, "Mom you were RIGHT." I wanted to mark it in stone. LOL I understand my relationship w/my children is very different than Dick's with Daniele. I have always been present, but I was always the "mean" parent because I handed out the consequences. Dad did most of the "fun stuff." Somewhere along the line, I became the "fun parent" with my oldest two during their college years! Wow, going from the mean parent to the fun one was something, esp. when their friends also wanted to hang out with me. How did THAT happen?!! LOL

OK..so I'm rambling and the show is finally about to start, but I'm sure you more than get my drift. :-)

Webchiq
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07-11-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 5:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Webchiq a private message Print Post    
Right, but the difference is that you were a parent, Dick has not been her parent and she resents him trying to act like her parent.

We don't know why they were spending regular time together and she stopped. Maybe she didn't want to be around him because of something that happened, she did say that he was a "mean" friend. Well, he wasn't her father so he couldn't be a "mean" dad. I can see where she wouldn't want him to be telling her what to do. He signed over those rights. I would guess there is a certain sense of abandonment that a child would feel from that, even if the person was still around.

I used to try to spend time with my parents but estrangement is much happier. You had a good relationship, I did not, I can totally see Dani's side of this. I have to give her huge kudos for lasting in the house this whole time. I could NEVER been with my parents for more than 2 days. Even 2 days is pushing it and I'm almost 40 years old, so there's been a lot of trying on my part, I'm not young like her.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 6:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
The title of this thread says it all.

One would think that playing a psychologically and physically demanding game like BB -- AND getting to final two would be enough to bond a father and daughter forever, despite whatever differences came before, but sadly, this seem to not be the case with these two.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 6:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Dick was ready to dump Daniele at Final 4, he had said that about 3 weeks before that. Then things went their way and they decided to stick together with the help of Jessica and Eric first, then of Zach.

But I do agree that for the most part she played for her own interests.

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gina8642 a private message Print Post    
Well to me, it's a big "duh" of course she was. I am glad now that other folks are seeing it too.

Early on, when Dani was HOH, she was being interviewed by Julie on the live show. Julie went for some Barbra Walters type question about what it would be like to make F2 with her dad. Dani responded it would be GREAT because everyone hates him and she could beat him.

That said it all to me. Dani is/was 100% in game mode this whole season. She teamed up with her dad because (a) he's a good player and could help her get to the end, (b) he made himself a bigger target than her, (c) he was willing to be the sacrificial lamb to keep her in the game over him, and (d) she believed he would be easy to beat in the F2.

She never teamed up with him because he was her dad. She showed she was in this game to win it when she voted out Nick. Nothing is wrong with being there to win it all. It is a game.

Dani is now devestated that she was wrong about (d). She's showing her maturity level by pouting and sulking and blaming it all on Dick. She's very young. She may very well mature into a lovely person, but right now she's coming off as a spoiled brat. I have really disliked Dick in this game but right now I'd rather see him win than Dani.

Dani played a good game but her attitude may be her downfall.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 7:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Right, but the difference is that you were a parent, Dick has not been her parent and she resents him trying to act like her parent.

Dick wasn't the parent Dani wanted him to be. That is his crime.

She EXPECTS a perfect father...she has this image in her head...and Dick comes no where near this image. Dani wants Dick to accept her as she is...but she is not willing to accept Dick as the flawed human being HE IS....

Hopefully one day she will out grow this immature attitude and accept her father...with all his faults.

I think Dick has tried his best to parent Dani...and because his efforts weren't up to her ideal of a parent, she feels he deserves no respect...she will feel differently when her children start judging her abilities as a parent...

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 7:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
Great post Kep.

I've often said to my brother that he better hope his children are more forgiving of him than he is with his.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I think this topic, more than most, is subject to heavy internalizing based on one's own experiences as a parent/child what have you. It's all speculation no matter the angle, and up to them how it works out in the future. Anything we say about the relationship is more for ourselves and about ourselves than anything else. I didn't want a Telemundo novella in the house and hope they don't ever do this crap again.

Kirstenk
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07-14-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kirstenk a private message Print Post    
Well to me, it's a big "duh" of course she was. I am glad now that other folks are seeing it too.

Same here. I can't stand either of them but after tonights show I do hope Dick gets the big bucks. Dani's outright bratty behavior is unbelievable. She could not say one nice thing to Dick and those faces she made. YUCK!!!

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
When did Dick say (and to whom) that he would be willing to dump Danielle at final 4?

I find that very unlikely.

Kalekona
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06-12-2005

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kalekona a private message Print Post    
He didn't

He did tell others that he would never put her up but if he needed to would vote her out but he never meant it he only said it so people didn't think they were unbreakable.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I really think anything he said was game only. He would never put her up or vote her out. He's played most of the game to protect her.

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
So true, Nyheat, so very true!

Meggieprice
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07-09-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 10:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meggieprice a private message Print Post    
DIck at one point groused that he was about ready to play for himself because she was treating him so badly. He also played along with people as strategy. He never wavered in protecting her and playing for her. His vetoing her instead of himself says it all.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 10:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
Another thing happened tonight.
Dick and Danielle were discussing what they would do with the money. Dick said he would go to Scandinavia and take an African safari. Danielle said "How will you do all that on $50,000?" Dick lost his smile and looked sort of confusd and sickish.
He knew she wasn't just kidding around.
I believe she is behaving like a spoiled, bratty child. He will give her half the money if he wins, she will give him nothing.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
no way. Dick has set this up since day one, badmouthing dani and painting her as a sulky spoiled brat to the other HGs AND to the watching Audience.

I dont believe anyone here would say the things they do about Dani if Dick hadnt repeated it a million times over and over again on feeds.

The TV audience also was misfed info by the Onesided Pro-Dick slant given to ALL of his inhouse antics.

Dani's big mistake this year was not laying out all of the "horrible" stuff that he had done during her life.

She asked for NO sympathy from others in the house.

Dick has never played "FOR" her. that is a falsehood that He spread Liberally around to the HGs to make him seem like the poor doofus who was being taken advantage of.

If Dick wins by a landslide I only hope that Dani reads the Live Feed Transcripts and sees what terrible things he's said about her.

Or Lindsey show her youtubes.

Dick wants money more than he wanted his daughter or he wouldnt have made it his Number One passtime to diss her to all the HGs.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
LOLOL Sun...having listened to 3 months of Dani whining all over my feeds "and like it's soooo baddddd you just don't knooow," I can assure you I would have come to the exact conclusion had Dick not said one word about her whining etc. To me her actions speak clearly for themselves, and I base my opinions totally on them not what anyone else said.

And isn't giving someone else the Veto on a week when you are on the block and 100% you are going home playing for them over you?? Sure seems it to me.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, September 17, 2007 - 1:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
((many people have said in multiple threads taht the words dani uses are common to this age group. it is slang.))

so this whole thread is about that ONE time that Dick veto'd Dani?

not from what I've read.

Also, if you guys recall correctly, you will remember that Dick wanted to ensure, prior to the POV comp, that everyone was suitably rattled and unfocused.

Dick HAD to save Dani that week since she was his only solid alliance at that point.

Instead of viewing it as a selfless act of heroism, it needs to be dealt with as a selfish act of selfpreservation.

Dani if left on the block would have gone against ANYONE else in the house. Dick on the block was a lessor target against others who were irritating others in almost as much of way as he was.

Even Amber was bugged by Dustin by that point.

I think it is very important to remember what was truly going on in the house at that time instead of romanticizing Dick's gameplay.

if he was aligned ONLY with Zach, he would have used it on Zach. The use of the veto had nothing to do with his daughter per say, it had to do with his only partner. it was a gamble and Dick trusted his ability to make deals to be kept in the house.

Kalekona
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06-12-2005

Monday, September 17, 2007 - 1:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kalekona a private message Print Post    
Sun if he used that Veto fully expecting to go home. It wasn't until Dustin ended up sitting next to him that he even thought he might be able to stay.
pulling her off the block was for her not for him.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Monday, September 17, 2007 - 2:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Meggieprice...I have been saying for ages now that I do NOT buy Danielle's sudden "change of heart" with her dad! Also, in another thread (name escapes me for the moment) I outlined my reasons for voting for Dick over Danielle to win the big money one of which goes right along with your posting that Dick was playing for BOTH of them while Danielle was playing for Danielle! I also voted for Dick because Danielle would be in total shock that her dad won over her! LOL

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, September 17, 2007 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Dick totally thought he was going home that week. If it hadn't been for Dustin's arrogance and desire to call him out during the "please keep me" speeches, he possibly would've gone home. You can thank Dustin for keeping Dick in the house.

As to Daniele's never talking about the things he allegedly did when she was a child, well, why should she? She keeps her cards pretty close, she's not going to play the game using the pity card ("my dad was mean to me").

Dick absolutely played into people's heads right before every challenge. In between, he was mostly a pretty likeable guy. But right before a challenge, he'd start to mouth off and it worked. People like Kail got easily rattled. People like Dustin became arrogant enough that they thought they'd get Dick out another time. They played a bad hand and a bad game and they are now the losers of BB8.

Back to point... Dick has, almost from the beginning, said he was working to keep Daniele in the game. His electing to evict Nick was part of that strategy... he thought Daniele was getting distracted and wanted and needed her to get back to the game at hand. He protected his daughter the best he could in the house.

Daniele, on the other hand, took advantage of Daddy being in the house. She hid behind him when she could, she let him comfort her when it was convenient, and she let him take the Mean Road to getting into other peoples' heads and getting them evicted. She spent much of the time moaning about how unfair it all was, yet she let Daddy do what he needed to do to ensure that she, and ultimately he, were in the finale.

I do think that Daniele used her father to get where she's at. I don't know whether it was 100% intentional, and at this point I'm not sure I care. Until last night, I was fervently hoping she'd get second place because of her really crappy attitude. She didn't even have any respect or thanks to her father for helping her get this far. Yeah, she won lots of comps, but Daddy supported her throughout.

All that said, I still want Dick to win this thing. GO DICK!!!

Webchiq
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07-11-2005

Monday, September 17, 2007 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Webchiq a private message Print Post    
I think that Dick did play for both of them and Dani played only for herself but I understand why she did. She has serious abandonment issues from both her mother and her father not being there. Yes, it was the right decision and we all see that she had a good life, but when you're the person that happens to, it must be very difficult to process. I know I hadn't even begun to process my parental issues until I was 30 and she's only 20/21 right now.

A key to abandonment issues is a self-centered approach and protecting ones own interests. It's the belief that if you don't look out for yourself, nobody else will. Dick might not ever be able to rebuild her trust in him. It's a painful situation and just think how you would feel if you had both parents send you to your grandparents when you were young and then just be in your life occasionally and then you're living in a house with one of them for 3 months.

I just think we have to have compassion for this young girl.

Of course, she played for herself. She's trying to survive in her life.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, September 17, 2007 - 7:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
A self-centered approach and protecting one's own interests is also the hallmark of a 20-21 year old.