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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:09 pm
The rabbit was clearly slowing down before it reached Daniele. Did Zach touch it I can't say, it is possible but i would think Dick would have made more of a deal out of it. But I can totally see why people are saying it. Something was up with the rabbit causing Daniele to fall (i think her timing was thrown off because it was not moving at the same speed) But she accepted it whatever happened. (she didn't have much left in her anyways at that time.)
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:23 pm
I wonder how many calories they all burned up doing that comp. It must be an incredible amount. (Kale yes ITA Dani was really struggling for a while before she fell off)
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Cruzlvr
Member
11-13-2003
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:24 pm
Dick never claimed that Zach broke the rabbit. Dick said that when it went by Zach he noticed a change in the speed in which it was going and that it really slowed by the time it reached Dani. He NEVER blamed the rabbit breaking on Zach.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:26 pm
Dani stated to both Zack and Dick that she couldn't have gone on my longer. And I am still glad she wasn't hurt.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:28 pm
The apparatus that they were using reminded me of a horse hotwalker. I wonder why it malfunctioned. Somebody last night said it was probably because of the rain but those are made to be used outside so that doesn't make sense. I don't know if it was breaking before Dani landed on it but she dealt it a death blow!
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Holly
Member
06-19-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:32 pm
She even admitted that to her dad, Loppes. She looked disoriented to me and was sobbing as the rabbit bar came towards her.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:52 pm
I don't think the basketball analogy really applies here because that is a team sport. I see it more like a golf or tennis player who struggles during the beginning of the season while all the "name" players are leading. Then toward the end of the season "Zach" comes alive and wins as many tournments as the big guys and ends up tied at the end. Now who is more deserving, the guy who went all out at the beginning and struggled at the end or the guy who struggled at the beginning and went all out at the end? That too is not a perfect analogy because it takes into consideration only the physical part of the game and we all know it is as much about the mental part as the physical. Many of them threw comps including Dick who threw them to Dani. And I have read many posts saying Dick should throw it to Dani because she would be more likely to win the third part. Why is it OK for them to use throwing comps but not for Zach? Why should Zach win when he did not need to? People seem to think D&D are so smart because they teamed up with whoever they needed to to stay in the game, including at differet times all the LCN, Dustin, Jen, Kail, Jess, Eric, and Zach. Their loyalties changed as their needs changed. Didn't Zach do the same thing? He attached himself to D&D because it suited him. It helped him stay in the game. Surely you don't think that was accidental. He used them for protection and to get out the others and to keep him off the block. They used him for his vote. Mutual aid so to speak. As for as him being less of a player than the jury members, I don't think so. If he makes it to f2, only Dick or Dani will have won more competitions than Zach. He has won what now 3 HOH and at least one POV and the most brutal comp of the season or perhaps any season. And Zach was only on the block at the end of the game when possible nominees were gettin thin. This all in a couple of weeks when he really had to. Come on, not better than the jury members? How can any of them claim to be a better player than him. He did what it took to stay in the game. They did not. Seems obvious to me. As far as who among the final 3 deserve to win, I think it is pretty even, myself. All have done well physically although at different times of the season. All have used a tough mental game, expressing itself differently, but all effective. I personally would not award the big prize to Dick. I just think there is a line of common human decency, even in a game, and I think Dick crossed it a long time ago. I do not feel his "it's just game," is either honest or a valid excuse. I am no prude or saint, but any redeeming quality I find in Dick is far outweighted by his vicious behavior. Dani has acted like a spoiled brat the whole game, with her crying and whining. But she has competed and shown some game play. And while she has encouraged Dick in his behavior, he is an adult and I can't hold her responsible. I would choose her over Dick. I would definitely give the game to Zach. I think his game play was very subtle, so subtle in fact that most of us did not recognize that he was actually playing until a couple of weeks ago and some people still don't get it. I perfer some subtly over the blatant in your face attitude of Dick that just relies on bullying and scaring people. Not my cup of tea. For those who can stomach Dick's mouth or care only about the physical aspect of the game, I am sure they cannot see Zach as the winner. Just my opinion of course.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:13 pm
Even afterwards, Dani said that it didn't matter that she was out when she was because she couldn't have lasted as long as Zack and Dick. I think that she still thinks it was unfair and that BB cheated her somehow. But, she also knows and has admitted that she wouldn't have lasted as long as the other two, so it is moot.
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Sissy618
Member
08-10-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:36 pm
Allie I could not have said it any better. I know that is my opinion perfectly as well. I would just still add why did nothing happen to Dick about the code between him and Vincent regardless of whether it helped at the time or not.
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Whizwit
Member
08-16-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:40 pm
Allietex- ITA with everything you said. I would also vote to give the money to Zach. Dick believes he has played a brilliant game but as I see it, the point of the game is to win the money in the end. How brilliant was it to alienate every person evicted when each of them are responsible for determining who should be awarded the money? Unlike Dr. Will, Dick's attacks were far too personal for anyone to think it will not come into play at the end.
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Smokeymtns
Member
08-11-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:41 pm
Dick should have conserved energy last night. All the screaming and ranting took a great deal of oxygen, and he doesn't have the lung capacity to spare. That was a bad choice on his and Dani's part. I guess he thinks that it rattles Zach, but it backfired on Dick this time. He did look really pitiful at the end. A sad old man. And all he wanted to hear was his daughter say "I love you". But she wouldn't. She isn't about to let her guard down. Must be a very long and sad story there......
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Realurker
Member
08-10-2004
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:44 pm
Was this a dangerous competition? The cold rain for so many hours? We wanted an endurance that would last awhile, but did BB take too many chances with the HG's health?
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Mizinvanccouver
Member
02-22-2003
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:53 pm
Ok, I'm not sure if this was said already or in the right thread to discuss but won't Part 2 challenge be boring to watch because it's D VS D? To me this means they will have already predetermined who will win and go up against Zach on the third one. What do you guys think?
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 1:59 pm
Real, I think the comp ended up going MUCH longer than they anticipated due to the rabbitt's demise. With the rain and jumping it's unlikely they would have made it as long IMHO. Someone would slip, or loose concentration, or something. But to just stand on a stump with cold water hosed on you, well that is different. Problem is it seems BB didn't do a great job of setting up a good, well built comp, and had no plan B. Ended up being hellish IMHO.
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Kirstenk
Member
07-14-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 3:20 pm
Kudos to both the players. Dick was a maniac. the good kind Zach was a Marine. I went to bed about 1:30 and when I got up this am to see how it ended, Zach still looked the same. stomp, stomp, stomp Dick should have know once the rabbit broke that Zach had him. He should have been paying attention to his runs in the weight room.
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Darrellh
Member
07-21-2004
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 3:58 pm
I'm re-watching my dvr of the after dark. I love the hint of "oh, sh*t" recognition on Dick's face after Zach finally starts to talk to him. Daniele is off the carrot and Zach is making fun of what Dick's been doing, and is laughing in his face. Dick has this momentary "screwed" look on his face.
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Sminger
Member
08-03-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 4:09 pm
Dick was a maniac alright, but I did not see any "good kind" in his actions. He would not and could not talk to a man the way he did Zach last night. They would pummel him into sausage!!!
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Sissy618
Member
08-10-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 4:57 pm
I don't agree that any other man would have beaten Dick up. It takes a bigger man to handly it like Zach did. The way Dick talked about his mother and girlfriend(Sweet)was a disgrace. I'm sorry but there is nothing good about any man talking about any women being C or eating her P. Zach has not been one I have pulled for at all but I hope with every ounce of my binger that he takes the Donato's to the cleaners..............
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Jgirl0129
Member
08-15-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:03 pm
I was continually impressed with Zach last night. He not only had to endure the competition but had the added torture of Dick. I was rewatching the end and I think Zach could have stood for quite a bit longer. The most amazing thing was that he went over to help Dick at the end and looked as though he was going to help him get in the house. I cannot imagine Dani or Dick doing that if the roles were reversed. I was happy to see a softer side of Dani although it ws short lived.
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Snoqt
Member
09-10-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:05 pm
Dick and Danielle played a really dirty game and hopefully it will come back to bite them on the ass. Especially w/ the myspace comment. How he said he wrote to her about working together before they even got into the house? that means that They knew about the "twist" before they even entered the house.
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Sissy618
Member
08-10-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:31 pm
And again BB will just act like that never happened as well....They only care about the ratings that D/D brought this year. I have decided that BB must make the rules as they go along.
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Gldnlvr
Member
08-03-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:37 pm
Just how cold is it in LA at night right now? I know being wet made it much colder. (I live in south FL and find it hard to believe it is actually cold anywhere right now!)
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Goaskalice
Member
07-21-2007
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:43 pm
why are the only showing danele right now. where are dick and zach
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Karnak
Member
07-06-2006
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:51 pm
kaysar on feed 4?
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Cheekychops
Member
08-12-2005
| Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 5:52 pm
Here is where I think Dick is: Dick exited the house via the DR door. He then went behind the walls to meet with the executive producers and story editors. They are probably talking about story ideas for the next two competitions over cocktails. They'll have Dani in next to meet with the acting coach and go over her F2 jury speech.
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