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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 12:32 pm
Dfng LMAO thats funny!
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 12:37 pm
Dipo, Kail said Four Square. http://www.foursquare.org/
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 12:44 pm
Thanks hypermom, I haven't heard of that, neither had Dustin, then I think she said Adventist, would that be 7th Day Adventist? Is that a religon? Did I just make that up or pull it from my way back memory place?
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 12:45 pm
Dipo - Pretty sure it is. Ya might have the number wrong but don't think so.
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Swannanoa
Member
07-09-2007
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 12:58 pm
Seventh Day Adventist is a religion. I am the proud mother of a gay son and I cringed when Kail said she would be sad if one of her sons were gay. However sad she may be, I still believe that she would love him anyway. I feel bad for parents who turn their back on their children because they are gay. I could never do that to my son. Actually my oldest son is married, my daughter is single and the middle one is gay. A well rounded incredible family. My coworker told me if her son ever told her he was gay she'd take him to a psychiatrist and have him "straightened" out. Some people just can't see it or choose not to believe it and that's their problem, not mine. The disparaging questions such as "Do you let your son bring his boyfriends to your house?" are met with "Do you care that your daughter got pregnant when she was only 17?" Tit for tat and shut up. LOL, sorry. I don't care much for Kail but I think what Dick has done to three of the women in that house is far worse than someone being the way Kail is. People like Dick turn me completely off with their self-righteous, I am King, pontificating.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 1:31 pm
Four Square is an evangelistic form of Pentacostal. It is the religion most followed by the neo-con Republicans. My mom was raised in a Four Square Orphanage and they are even more devout than Southern Baptist.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 2:06 pm
Great posts above!!
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Jeannie23
Member
07-16-2007
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 2:27 pm
I've know I've read the 7 sins in the King James Bible. I'll have to look it up. I don't mind Kail being rich. It's the self rightous additude I can't and won't abide. I don't like Dick either but Kail is worse imo.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 2:31 pm
You want to post about things that you find offensive and so do others. In this case Kail's "gay" remarks offend many of us who have family members and friends who are gay. Her intolerance of others based on her religion does give us a right to mock her theories if we chose to. I for one find her statements damning of others she believes aren't worthy of her..She couldn't do anything now after the things she's said about gays and the fans of this show that could ever, ever, ever, make me like her. She is the prime example of what's wrong in this country and why it is so polarized.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 2:35 pm
Yes Sun, gluttony is one of the 7 sins: The seven deadly sins, also known as the capital vices or cardinal sins, are a classification of vices that were originally used in early Christian teachings to educate and instruct followers concerning (immoral) fallen man's tendency to sin. 1.1 Lust (Latin, luxuria) 1.2 Gluttony (Latin, gula) 1.3 Greed (Latin, avaritia) 1.4 Sloth (Latin, acedia) 1.5 Wrath (Latin, ira) 1.6 Envy (Latin, invidia) 1.7 Pride (Latin, superbia) The list in Proverbs is not the only list of sins in the Bible. It does list them as "seven", but it is far from being an exhaustive listing of sins. Another list of sins is given in the book of (New Testament) Galatians 5:19-21. That list reads: (19)
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Jeannie23
Member
07-16-2007
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 2:42 pm
Thanks Em. I knew the 7 sins predated the Catholic Church.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 2:55 pm
No problem Jeannie, there would be much less tension on these boards if a simple google search was done to make sure we aren't accidentally making a mistake.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:20 pm
The listing in Proverbs is not the same as the classic Seven Sins: Proverbs 6:16-19 16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers. You might want to rely on something order than Wikipedia, if you're doing Google searches. There are other admonitions in Proverbs against gluttony, but it is not included in the list of the six/seven from Proverbs. The classic list, as I understand it, did first appear as listed above in early Catholic literature.
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Jeannie23
Member
07-16-2007
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:25 pm
Kar- you might want to read Galatians 5:19-21 in the New Testament.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:27 pm
I tolerate Kail's judgemental lifestyle as much as tolerates my life as a gay man. No one is condemning Kail for being religious, only for being ignorant and snobbish. I know and love many religious people who are not also ignorant and snobbish. The two do not necessarily have to go hand in hand.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:33 pm
Okay, Jeannie, here it is. Again, I'm not seeing the "seven deadlies" as listed above: Galatians 5:19-21 19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:37 pm
Oh, and if you read the *entire* Wikipedia reference it even says:
quote:The identification and definition of the seven deadly sins over their history has been a fluid process and the idea of what each of the seven actually encompass has evolved over time. This process has been aided by the fact that they are not referred to in either a cohesive or codified manner in the Bible itself, and as a result other literary and ecclesiastical works referring to the seven deadly sins were instead consulted as sources from which definitions might be drawn
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:43 pm
THE BIBLE STATES THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS ARE http://www.mswm.org/7deadlysins.sevendeadlysins.htm #1 - PRIDE, which makes one feel superior to others is totally wrong. This sin was Lucifer’s downfall! The Bible says, “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall”. (Prov. 15:8) #2 - GREED has caused more wars and created more gangsters and promoted more theft than any other sin. The Bible says, “Thou shalt not COVET...” (Exodus 20:17) “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.” (1 Timothy 6:10-11) #3 - LUST is the desire for something not lawfully yours. A sensual desire for the forbidden fruit! It includes an inordinate desire for power, control, sex, substance abuse or wealth. Lust always brings spiritual death, in the end! The Bible says, “Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” (James 1:15) #4 - ANGER or HATRED causes high blood pressure, ulcers, violent confrontation and even murder! Jesus said, “But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.” (1 John 2:11; 3:15; 4:20-21) #5 - GLUTTONY is an over indulgence in eating. A phobia or inordinate desire to eat food, even when one is not hungry. A good rule is: Eat to live, not live to eat! A day of fasting & prayer each week does wonders for us - spiritually & physically! Let’s use the extra money we save through fasting to give to the poor & needy and to support the poor and the orphaned! #6 - ENVY will also cause the blood pressure to rise and the demons of jealousy and pride to fabricate lies and even fantasies in a person, given over to this wicked sin! The Bible says, “Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.” (Romans 13:13-14) #7 - SLOTH goes hand in hand with laziness and poverty. St. Paul stated, "Be not slothful in business". (Romans 12:11) “For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.” (Hebrews 6:10-12)
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:49 pm
Well, again, that list is someone's construct, choosing seven of the many transgressions outlined in the Bible and picking out passages from all over the place that support a construct that was first designed by the early Catholic Church. So, that doesn't change anything I've said. The Seven (Mortal) sins were an early construct of the Catholic church. That there isn't Biblical support for each of these sins is not what I have argued. The listing of these particular *seven* sins as deadly goes back to the Catholic determination that there were venial sins and mortal sins, and the early church fathers dividing various sins into those categories, based on their interpretation of the Bible. So there is no unique listing of Seven Deadly Sins in the Bible that matches the Seven Mortal Sins constructed by the early Catholic church.
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:51 pm
okay, I was just saying that they are in the Bible, perhaps not in a perfect list, but they are referred to in there. It was in response to the doctrine Kail's religion was likely to follow, so I'm sure she has read these.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:51 pm
And the Catholics were CORRECT!!! Topic? In my opinion, Kail is acting in a closed-minded and judgmental fashion.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:54 pm
"As for the tar and feathering I've seen in regards to her "gay" statements, it is pretty weak compared to other stuff we've all heard." It's not "weak" at all when one's entire life experience has been ruled by systematic discrimination based on ignorant statements about gay people like the one Kail made. Pointing out the ignorance of Kail's remark (about how disappointed she would be if one of her kids decides to "choose a gay lifestyle") is the right thing to do. She sent a strong, cruel, and hateful message by making her prejudice sound acceptable. People can try to minimize the pain that kind of remark can cause, but the fact is, it's no less wrong or painful than if she had had said how disappointed she would be if her kid chose to marry a black person. The fact is, we don't "choose" to be gay and being gay is not a lifestyle. Kail is indeed choosing to be ignorant and/or judgmental, and I see her as living a judgmental lifestyle. Call me intolerant if you choose, but I don't view being intolerant of cruel intolerance as a bad thing.
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Uncle_ricky
Member
07-02-2007
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:54 pm
Thought this might be a good time to take a break from all the dissecting of the history of the 7DS. Earlier this season in the BB UK house (day 35), the HGs had to complete a competition based on the 7DS. The Diary Room asked one of the HGs (Carole) to identify the 7 HGs she thought were guilty of each sin. In the clip below you can see the HGs who were tagged with Envy, Sloth, Lust and Wrath. The HG (Charley) accused of Wrath, and the most hated HG inside or outside the house, fails the task 3 1/2 minutes into the clip when she is unable to keep her anger under control. There's also a glimpse of Liam, the handsome HG accused of Lust because of his Casanova-like behavior, who is forced to wear leather hot pants and a leather dog collar. It was one of the more entertaining competitions they've been given thus far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ed_G5VhdCE&mode=related&search=
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:57 pm
No problem, EM. I just wanted to address the implication that you could open up any Bible and find a concrete listing of the Seven Deadlies. GAL, I have no idea if the Catholic church was correct or not. IMO, we all construct faith, whatever 'brand' you are. And uh, you meant to say Kail is behaving in a close-minded and judgmental way, right? 
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 3:58 pm
Precisely, Karuuna!! LOLOL. Sowwy.
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