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Martinidreams
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08-19-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Martinidreams a private message Print Post    
I disagree. Dicks use of "thank you Jesus" is, indeed, mocking her faith. She played the veto the same way I would assume she deals with real life. Dick didn't like it because it took off someone he wanted gone and he hasn't quit since then. Jameka can't be expected to leave her belief system at the door any more than Kaysar should have. And unless I'm missing something by not having the live feeds, she's not exactly preaching or telling others how to live unless it's a conversation with another person with the same beliefs.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
Actually, during HCs the other day, Kaysar himself said people shouldn't 'use' religion in the game.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Bilox- My mother use to use that term with people she disagreed with. She used it as a put down. My God vs your God. I finally told her to go check her Bible. The part about who is in charge of judging people.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Jeanne, I still don't think it is OUR place to judge whether Jameka and Amber are using religion IN the game. We do NOT know if they are like this on the outside...God is the only one that knows their heart.

Ambi...so instead of saying "my dad .... your dad" it was "my God .... your God?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Jameka brought god into the game, so it's fair that we call her on it. She doesn't have to preach, she prays outloud. That is offensive to me.

And Jameka IS using god in the game. She herself said it was preordained for her to win POV and for her to take Jen off the block.

Kaysar's right. Be religious all you want, but don't bring it into the house, don't use it as a crutch, don't run screeching arounmd the backyard praying because YOU did something stupid in the veto game (free will, yes?), and don't think you are better than someone else who doesn't do all that.

And FWIW, if you believe in reincarnation and karma, then you know the answer as to why babies die, or children get hit by SUVs.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
I think I'm allowed to make an observation.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
I pray out loud too...if I went into the house I would NOT change my habits, I would continue praying out loud.

I also think it is Jameka's right to believe that, because her ping pong ball was chosen then she should play for the POV and use it, God preordained it. I also did not see it as running around screeching in the backyard, I saw her visibly upset and she went over by the washer? area by herself and started praying.

And no, I do not believe in reincarnation...Christ is the only true reincarnate one.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
Lainee ... I think the point is if she brings it into the game then it's up for grabs to be discussed.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
She brings it into the game, and yup, it's open for discussion. It's very offensive to me to see her praying all the time, and to see the looks she gives those who are not "good."

Christianity is also not the only religion. If someone doesn't believe in Christ (as the be all and end all, rather than as a man) is it really necessary to have to listen to loud prayers.

And my opinion, is she ran screeching around the backyard, went over the jack shack, and continued in a much softer voice.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Discussing I have no problem with...my problem is with the consistent remarks about how she is using it...she could well be just like me and pray out loud in her daily life every time she prays. Because she prays out loud is no reason to judge her and say that she is only praying because of the game.

We all as Christians are not perfect (Christ was the only perfect human) and we make mistakes, and I have broken down and cried while I prayed also. There are many Christian faiths out there so I am not saying that Jameka's way is the only way.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Costacat...your right not to listen works both ways as she has the right to pray her way.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
I'm not offended so much that she prays, I'm more offended by WHAT she prays for...

it makes God look bad.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 5:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
Well, she clearly "used it" as her reasoning for not only being picked for Veto but for taking Jen off the block if she won it. And frankly, I could see how that would annoy people both inside and outside the game.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
How can any one person make God look bad? God is God. When millions of apparently innocent people suffer and die or innocent children suffer and die, I think God looks bad if he could have prevented it. Why should God intervene in any individual's little life any more than he intervenes in Jameka winning the 500k when he doesn't seem to do anything about millions of deaths and massive suffering? And yet people pray for other people's recovery from sickness and for a return to good health.

But I may not understand. That may be part of the free will that God gave people and maybe he feels it is a necessary part of humanity's growth. But oh what a horrible cost.

People may feel that she doesn't represent their Christian beliefs but people who describe themselves as Christians have many different beliefs. I happen to think some are more reasonable than others but that is just my opinion.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 5:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
The love of money is the root of all evil.

Throughout the Bible there becomes a theme that greed and God don't mix.

This game showcases that...in that people's worst behavior comes out as they try to win a large amount of money. You have to lie and manipulate to have hope making it to the money.

I strongly disagree with her use of God in blessing her greed, or anyone's greed for that matter.

I can see where she might seek God's comfort and strength in the house...but to expect God to bless her greed...that's a completely different story. (That is NOT what God is about.)

I hope another Christian will talk to her about this when she gets out.

God is love, charity and selflessness.

BB---not so much. It's about selfishness and greed.

RANT RANT RANT.

Cmist
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09-20-2005

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 6:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cmist a private message Print Post    
Yes it's Jamekas right to believe God would give her a ping pong ball for some specal reason. It's also our right to think that kind of belief is crazy beyond belief.

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 6:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Lainee - yes and mom wasn't joking. Apparently mom's God was not only a republican, protestant, but also very right wing. I don't know who she thought the rest of us in the family were worshiping. lol

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 7:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Greed! That's IT, Kearie!! There's a presumption of greed there, in that money is the root (in that house and in winning that game). If she didn't expect to win $500K, what's she doing?

And LOL CMist. Yup, my right to think that. :-)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Here is a question for everyone. If Jameka tries to follow the Christian teachings but fails by calling Dick and his mother bad names, does that make Jameka any less of a Christian in God's eyes if she is sorry that she did it?

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, the fact that Jameka chose to use her personal beliefs as an issue in a reality show with a big money prize is ridiculous. I am a christain and am offended. Of course you already know the answer to your own question. God forgives if you ask. The veiwing audience? Don't bet the rent money.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 8:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I agree that it is hard to believe sometimes that God is kind and loving. In the earthquake in Peru two churches collapsed killing hundreds of people. Does God not notice people praying to him? I think He listens to all prayers. I think He is involved in all life situations big and small. I have to go with the wisdom of a young boy who said "God will give you the answer when you get to heaven." The boy spoke those words to his dad. The dad asked the question "why?" ( Why was his son dying of cancer). I see signs of God's love too. I try to think about the good things in life. The boy died trusting in God.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Isn't that why Catholics do penance? Or hail mary's or whatever it is?

I just caught the superstition/god thing... Amber's lucky number is 7 and she's gonna win HOH next week cause it's god's way of telling her something. Huh? Numerology is actually a pagan ritual, isn't it?

Ambi
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08-11-2007

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 8:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ambi a private message Print Post    
IMo- God gave Satan the right to go to and fro in the earth seaking who he can devouer (sp) with his fallen angels until God's Son returns according to the Bible which if you think about it is where most of us get the concept of good and evil in the first place. God is love Imo.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Isn't that why Catholics do penance? Or hail mary's or whatever it is?

HA Us Catholics do penance for EVERYTHING!

My grade school nuns did a great job on instilling a good dose of Catholic guilt in me.
Smokey the Bear still freaks me out. Every time something caught fire I thought it was my fault. After all he was on TV everyday telling me only I could prevent forest fires.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, August 17, 2007 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Especially cause he was SMOKEY BEAR (not Smokey THE Bear!). :-) (Sorry my dad was a firefighter and I got Smokey and his fire stuff drilled in at an early age.)