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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: Dick and Daniele.. Relationship Success or Disaster?: Archive through September 01, 2007 users admin

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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I suppose since they are talking the relationship is more successful than it was the last 2 years.

I don't see Dick as being completely at fault having little relationship with Dani. I can see Dani being selfish enough to cut her father off for the slightest reason. She seems spiteful and I can see her punishing daddy.

I don't think this relationship will ever be a success.

On a side note regarding Dani's mom. Can you imagine what must have gone down for a mother not to return a daughters calls? I'm guessing Dani started that too. How odd that both her parents are estranged from her. At least Dick is trying.

Odd odd odd.

Akwarlord47
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06-26-2007

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Akwarlord47 a private message Print Post    
My late husband and Dick could have been twin brothers, they look like, both bipolar and act very much alike. My children would tell you that growing up with a Bipolar parent is very difficult, even when they are physically there, they are not always emotionally there. and actually accepting responsibility for their outburst is not usually going to happen. So I'm sorry is never enough. I hope the best for Dick and Dani. I know from my own experience that the father and daughter can forgive each other and come together but they will need professional help

Caycaye
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09-14-2001

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caycaye a private message Print Post    
BTW...I heard Danielle "early on" in BB say that Dick had only met Kris ONCE, when they had gone out to dinner....and shortly therafter, she and Dick stopped speaking....

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, August 27, 2007 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i dont hear Dick ever apologize for anything HE did. he says stuff like I'm sorry that YOU cut me out of your life. I'm sorry that YOU are mad at me for not answering the phone

stuff like that. Throwing things back in her face inferring it is all HER fault.

A constant mantra is "I've always been there for you" and it isnt true. Europe, hawaii, Egypt, constant partying, in Jail, a second wife who didnt want the kids. He has not been always been there for her in MIND or BOdy and I think this show Is making things worse for them.

I can see Dick and Dani talking/laughing/sharing
stories about their summer on BB for many years to come


but all they ever do is Rag on the other people. I ahve yet to hear a really meaningful convo between them.

Mind you, I agree with Dani when she said she didnt want to talk any personal or Family stuff with him.

all it would do is start an argument

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
I was watching a BBAD from a couple of nights ago and the tension between Dick and Dani has just been escalating. Interestingly enough, it has been since Jen left. Clearly, Jen was a punching bag for Dick to take out all his frustration with Danielle out on. Now she is gone and there is nowhere for that pent up anger to go.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
If he truly had a wife who was not interested in his children that says a lot about his character.
His children will always be related to him, spouses come and go which appears to be the case.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I have a great Dad, to this day 100% there for us no complaints. If he was stuck in that house with my little sister, or any of the rest of us for that matter, for 3 months he would either have to DOR or kill her, and she would have to do the same thing. I don't think either Dick or Dani are wrong for getting stir crazy at this point. I'd worry about them if they weren't crappy with each other at this point.

Carmil
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07-17-2005

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmil a private message Print Post    
I firmly believe that the future of Dick/Dani's relationship rests completely in Danielle's hands. If she wants him in her life, he'll be there for her. If she turns her back on him, that'll be it for them, at least until the day Dani grows up a bit or maybe has children of her own.

I only hope that the future of their relationship doesn't rest solely on who wins or loses this silly game.

Jr9209
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07-14-2007

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jr9209 a private message Print Post    
Does anyone think Danielle's erratic and pissy behavior in the last few days is strategy on her part to try to distance herself from her Dad in the eyes of those who will be in the jury? I realize that they don't really get along on a personal level, but they have played a good strategic game TOGETHER. The others keep telling her he is dragging her down with him.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Jr9209, I think you could be right.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Jr9 No I don't think that. I think its become quite clear at this point in the game, that Daniele's behavior inside the house, is similar to that outside the house. Its not only the way she is toward her father. She excludes herself from most of the house activities quite often. If she isn't talking about Nick or interjecting his name into a conversation, then she doesn't include herself at all. I am convinced her personality is such that she only cares about herself, and doesn't have the ability to consider the ramifications of her own actions. She hates everything, from the house, the dad, the houseguests, to things out. Everything with her has a 'hate' attachment to it. Frankly, its gotten old with me. I used to give her some benefit of doubt, but I don't any more. I don't think Dick is the ideal role model as a father, but I have to admit, he has made countless attempts to talk with her gently, and she gets this bizarre expression on her face, turns from him and doesn't even answer him most of the time.
The only time she accepts him is if it benefits her personally, such as him using the veto on her. If you remember, it took her a long time to even come up with an appreciation, and that was only days later when Julie Chen asked her if she appreciated Dick doing that. Someone needs to give her head a huge shake.

Jr9209
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07-14-2007

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jr9209 a private message Print Post    
Loppes, I agree with what you are saying, but most of their previous arguments have in private. Now that it's getting closer to the end she seems to purposing act hateful to him in front of the rest of the house.

Lanative
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07-24-2007

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lanative a private message Print Post    
If they have a problem now, what will happen if ED wins instead of Dani?

Accalia
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09-07-2006

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Accalia a private message Print Post    
If they have a problem now, what will happen if ED wins instead of Dani?

IMO if ED were to win instead of Dani she wouldn't be happy no matter what he did with the money. Even if he were to split it with her she would think he owed her more. Just from watching how she has interacted with everyone in the house, not just her Dad, she's shown herself to be self absorbed and has only been nice when she was sitting in the HOH position. I personally can only imagine how stressful living in this situation would be to someone, especially someone so young, HOWEVER, you learn to deal with what you're giving. Of course again, this is JMO

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
I agree with everything that Carmil and Loppes wrote and it makes me sad.

At this point in her life Dani behaves very immaturely and selfishly. She is a bright girl with a lot of potential and I sincerely hope that she's able to let go of her resentment.

It might taking having her own children as Carmil suggests. Or a great counselor. Or some intermediary who can help her break her ingrained patterns.

And Lanative-- I think that it would be better (for the relationship) if Dick DID win. I'm certain that he would be generous with his kids. Not so sure that Dani would share with anybody.

ETA: Accalia- your post appeared after I posted.
I'm a bit afraid that you could be right, but I still have more faith in Dick being able to smooth things if he controls the money vs. Dani.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
If she is doing that, she must be pretty sure of Dick, because if he gets really fed up with her, he might just decide he has as much right to win this game as she does and quit scarcificing himself for her. As much as I dislike Dick, I kind of wish he would reach that point. I am really tired of her act.

I understand that there may be a lot more to the problems than have been told. She has insinuated there is and refuses to discuss it. OK, but she decided she has no choice but to team up with him in the house, so she should at least put everything else aside until the game is over.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
I don't feel right speculating about the cause of their rift other than to point out 3 things.

1) It is a proven fact that Dani exaggerates. Just one example is whe she told other people in the house that she and Dick had not spoken in 5 years and it was actually 1 1/2 years (at the longest)

2) Her brother and father have intimated that it had to do with a family loan gone bad.
3) In her own online journal she makes veiled references to resenting her father. "Its hard having a dad who constantly has negative things to say about your physical appearance. Who never accepts things as constructive criticism & never takes blame. When you used to love so much but now his presence alone is a bad ora (sic) "

Jr9209
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07-14-2007

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jr9209 a private message Print Post    
I don't like Dani's attitude anymore than you guys do, but it seems to have gotten worse in the last few days. Just wondered is she might be trying to show the jury voters that she is her own person (selfish and hateful though she may be)like they have been telling her to do. The other HG are now talking about their arguments and wondering if it was FAKE. We know their they're not but the HG have not seen their arguments like we have. I just wondered why Danielle is so openly doing in front of them now, that's all.

Accalia
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09-07-2006

Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Accalia a private message Print Post    
"Its hard having a dad who constantly has negative things to say about your physical appearance.

Isn't it awful how as parents when we say something in concern about our children, such as "you look thin, are you eating right?" or perhaps "you look tired, are you getting enough sleep?" we end up the bad guy or appear to be judging them.

I do hope this family is able to put itself back together. In "most" cases it's family that you can count on when you can't count on anyone else. Even in a game, Dick has put his daughter ahead of himself at every given chance. I hope that even if Dani doesn't see this now, she will see it at some point and be able to forgive her father even if she can't forget their past.

Lanative
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07-24-2007

Friday, August 31, 2007 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lanative a private message Print Post    
Isnt' is amazing Dani is talking to ED again without an attitude. I still think her moods are part of her game play...if at the end she's in the f2 with ED -just think of the votes she'd get because they all know "how hard" it is to live with him....It's so possible their act was so pre planned, him being the bully.....ummmmmm me thinks somethings fishy

Tracy
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07-16-2007

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 5:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tracy a private message Print Post    
I don't think that Dick was Father of the Year but I also give Dick and his mother credit for taking care of the kids. I believe that Dani's problems stem from her mother's rejecting her and I honestly can't understand what happened there. Since all their business has been on television I wish that I knew what happened with the mother. I give Dick credit for trying, even though he is NOT perfect.
Dani is raging about her mother and taking it out on Dick. I've seen this happen before with kids who are abandoned by one parent or the other but usually it's the father who walks out, not the mom.

Scribe
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08-16-2000

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 6:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scribe a private message Print Post    
Something struck me this past week with Dani's conduct which to us does seems very childish and petulent....sue some of her behavior may be chalked up to what Tracy describes above, but underlying it all is just the basic need of a young adult to separate from parents and develop into their own person - sharing "friends" with a parent and a social relationship with friends and the parent on a par is simply not tenable for a young adult - Of course there are issues with the relationship that pre-date the show but just think how most of us would feel if we were with our contemporaries as genXs and suddenly we find a parent mixed into our social set .... vying for the same people as friends ... in many if not most cases it would put an inevitable chill on the child and inhibit the child's participation in the group - sharing your "friends" with your parent not an appropriate situation - in the end I think she has done the best she can and there have been moments where she has not had to share the screen with her parent then she interacts age appropriate - I have decided to give her a great deal of slack - the situation is almost impossible for her - as painful as her behavior is to her father it is easier for him within the group and does not have the issue of growing up and away from a parent - and I am a very big Dick fan.

Crazy
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06-12-2006

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 6:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Crazy a private message Print Post    
It's really hard to say anything about this with limited info. However, given what we have seen and heard on the feeds, my first thoughts are this. I hope that they both realize that changing is a 2-way street. I do believe that ED loves his children and I believe that Dani loves ED. However, they seem to have a very co-dependent relationship. This relationship can be mended if they both start to understand that neither has the right to try and control the other and respect each others bonderies. I hope and wish the best for both of them.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think that Dick and Daniele have a good long-term chance for a fairly decent relationship. The main reason for this is Dick. He seems to have a good relationship with his son (which proves he can do it) and it appears that Dick will never again give up on trying to build a relationship with Dani. Over the years they will get together. Neither will ever be completely different but they will be there.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Know what I think would make this a huge success? I know from watching I, an untrained observer now can see they major things each do to press each other's buttons. I can see their weaknesses, their problems, etc. I think if any trained therapist watched or will watch some of this and then sit down w/them (assuming they both are willing to make an effort, not sure Dani is), then they would have a HUGE advantage in getting guidance.

Dick needs to learn that love isn't enough, you have to listen and respect some boundaries even if you think they are stupid. Dani has to learn that the she is primarily hurting herself and future relationships by being so closed to forgiveness and fast to judge. Etc etc. Now if they woudl privately discuss specific issues I think someone would really see exactly what needs to be mended to have a decent relationship. The key is will they do the work. I do believe Dick would try, dunno bout Dani. I think she enjoys the victim role too much.

I hope at some point though she will realize how hard her Dad worked for her all summer, and at least in that they did work together towards a common goal. Also maybe when she sees some of the footage perhaps hopefully she can see some of the good in him towards her and how cold and harsh she has been in return. I'm sure she will feel it's justified, but maybe something in her will "get it." I hope!