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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:23 am
Izzysmydog (Ozzy's my dog,lol) I think Amber is fairly new to her faith in God as she still holds rather tightly to her superstitious beliefs as well. Jameka's belief in them, however, troubles me. She often prays to "trust God", but I think she has a lot of trouble accepting God's will when it doesn't go her way. I do, too. lol But we've all heard that old saying that God answers all prayers, it's just that sometimes the answer is no. Kaysar didn't bring his religion to the table. He has a great respect for it. When asked about it, he spoke quite eloquently, but he never threw it in anyone's face or fancied himself as above anyone because of it. And most importantly, he never judged anyone for their lack of it or position on it. That's one of the biggest problems I have with Jameka and Amber. They are judging. The bible clearly says: Judge not, lest ye be judged.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:25 am
Jimmer, I think your (e) should've been an (e) and an (f). The second part, the god is involved in the game part, should be separate. In Buddhism, it's a right place right time kind of thing. You ask for what you need AT THAT MOMENT in order to survive. If you're homeless, you may chant for a roof over your head. You do not chant for a million dollar mansion. You also must use common sense and take action to get what it is you need to survive. If you are homeless, you should look for a job, or look for a roommate, or look for a shelter. Whatever it is that you need at that moment to survive. You also chant for the strength to endure whatever hardships you are currently experiencing. And if you are in a place in your life where you don't need things to survive (shelter, food, job) then you start working on things to make YOU better. You chant for patience when you're stuck in traffic (so you don't curse out the idiot who was watching the Blue Angels practice and ran off the road and therefore cause a four hour delay on the freeway during rush hour). You chant for the ability to help others, in your family, or your friends, or just others who need it more than you. You chant for the strength to overcome certain bad karma (for example, you may have job karma or relationship karma). But you do not chant to win the lottery. You do not chant to win a reality TV show. And whatever you do, you take action to improve your life. You do not sit and pray and wait for things to come to you.
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Napa1526
Member
07-14-2007
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:44 am
The mistake I see Jameka making is preaching her "faith, spirituality, religion, whatever, and judging people for everything they do and say, all in the name of her christianity. When someone "proclaims" to be a strong christian and throws it at everyone around them and then proceeds to swear like a truck driver, rant and rave, judge other people's beliefs; it is a big turnoff. Actions speak a lot louder than words and if I were trying to lead someone to a "higher being" it would NOT be the way she is choosing. Those who have doubts about a higher being would run like the wind in the opposite direction from someone who "claims" to be so devout to her spirituality and acts the way she does. Again, the old adage, do as I say....NOT as I do. NOT a good way for a "strong" christian to act. If she came to win the money she should have left her christianity to herself, she can pray and talk to God all she wants, just DON'T push it on everyone else and then act the way she does. I AM a christian and my religious beliefs are very strong and she is not setting a very good example for christians. We all backslide and make mistakes....but do not do and say the things she is doing in the name of christianity.
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Merrysea
Member
08-13-2004
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 6:23 pm
What I object to most about Jameka is when she uses her religion during a fight, such as telling Dick that he would confess on his deathbed, or yelling at him in the backyard, "Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess ..." She was using her religion to try to put Dick down, IMO.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:00 pm
Perhaps Jam has a "fire and brimstone" background. They often seem to focus on the wrath of God, rather than the Love of God and forgiveness of Jesus. Just a thot. Not saying she's not a christian, just a different type, but different denominations in Christianity focus on different things. Some teach about the wrath of God. Some teach about Salvation. Some teach you can loose your salvation. Some teach to fear God. Some teach to embrace God's love. Some teach how to live in this world today. some teach how they lived then.
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Izzysmydog
Member
08-13-2007
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:26 pm
Beez, Napa, and Merry, All of you seem to have the same idea about it that I was trying to explain.. It's one thing to live a good life and be religious and another to spout religion and live a life that doesn't embrace the religious teachings.. Jameka and Amber seem to be in the second scenario. They know the bible and what it says but don't really use the teachings in their everyday life.. Kaysar on the other hand seemed to live his religion. I am from NYS and was brought up Catholic, then we moved to Indiana and was I in for a culture shock.. I was used to living where most people were Catholics and after moving was in the minority since the Midwest is the Bible belt.. There were a lot of people who were like Amber and Jameka and pushed their particular religion on you... They looked down on anyone who didn't think exactly like them and didn't want to come to their church... It definitely left a bad taste in my mouth for that type of religious zealot... Why can't they just let everyone make up their own minds on religion... Why push what they believe on others.. If you say you aren't interested, then that should end it.. Ok, I'm off my soapbox.. I'll go back to my corner of the room and hide for a while before I say too much... Ok, it's probably too late for that already.. I'm done ...
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:32 pm
My spin on it is we shouldn't debate Religion or Politics.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:44 pm
I think Jam uses "non religious" to villianize people. The seperation of "good" vs "bad". The Bible talks about righteous versus not righteous. She boasts about being a good person. The NT clearly teaches that is wrong. Christians are supposed to be humble. There is no GOOD person, I think she forgets this. She doesn't show any humility in her Christian beliefs. Jimmer asked some good questions...I attempted to address his "C". My biggest issues with Jam and her practicing of Christianity on the show is her lack of humility and her assumed greed... I just think those two things go against what Christianity teaches. I don't mind Jameka and Amber praying, so much as their attitudes towards non believers and the "bad" people. I do believe she is forgiven.
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:50 pm
Costacat Member 07-15-2000 Friday, August 17, 2007 - 8:40 pm I just caught the superstition/god thing... Amber's lucky number is 7 and she's gonna win HOH next week cause it's god's way of telling her something. Huh? Numerology is actually a pagan ritual, isn't it? Costacat...there are lots of pagan rituals in the Christian church...MOST Christians just aren't aware of it. Christmas goes back to pagan ritual NOT Christs birth. Easter goes back to paganism not Christs resurrection...there is more, but this board isn't the place for it. 
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Tobor7
Member
07-19-2002
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 8:25 pm
If you believe in good luck then you have to believe in bad luck.
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Ambi
Member
08-11-2007
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 8:36 pm
Kearie- I so agree with your post. That is the right word for it. Jameka uses her beliefs to villanize others. Exactly.
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Martinidreams
Member
08-19-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 10:07 pm
All Christians tend to "Forrest Gump" their way through their beliefs. Jameka is no different. I find it ironic she is being judged for being judgemental but the fact is that is human nature. Jameka strikes me as the type that would donate to charity so judging her for being greedy without knowing for sure is no better than Jameka judging others for not being Christian. Her praying outloud is offensive to some while Dicks low rent, low class behavior puts me off. {shrug} Sounds like both sides need to simply deal with it.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:32 pm
It's interesting to me that Jameka's faith is such an active topic of discussion. To me it barely registers - hardly more than her being black or Dustin being gay. Honestly, I am not concerned with what she prays for - imho that is God's business. And how she wants to worship is her business.
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 5:07 am
My favorite pagan symbol that Christians use...the star. A pentacle is and has always been the central symbol of pagans, representing earth, fire, air, water and spirit at the top. EVERY "Christmas" symbol, right down to the babe with the animals is pagan. The sun-king born on the solstice in December in the forest with the animals pre-dated Jesus, along with holly, mistletoe, trees inside, yule logs...all of it. If you study the history of the church, how it evolved, how and why they adopted symbols, rites and rituals from other religions to try to lure their own supportes, it is really, really fascinating. 
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 5:09 am
I wonder if Amber's visions need to be tweaked...her vision told her she would win POV...she did not.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 6:11 am
I think Amber's still learning the differences between visions and wishful thinking... ...good luck on that one Amber!!
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Carmil
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 7:17 am
It's not what Jameka and Amber pray for that bothers some people.. it's more that "holier than thou" attitude that they brought into the game. Jameka seems to believe that the results of the game have already been pre-ordained, therefore no need to play the game at all. I admire all faiths and religions, but they should be kept private and not used as "strategy" in the Big Brother house. I'd like to see both Amber and Jameka get off their butts and start playing the game, and stop thinking that God will play it for them. He's not a houseguest and He's not in their alliance, whether they believe it or not. Both Jam & Amber have a great opportunity this week to start striking up some deals to stay in the house, but they'd rather sit back and let God's Will be done. Which is fine, but they seem to forget that God helps them who helps themselves.
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Castleexplorer
Member
08-10-2005
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 8:14 am
I totally agree Carmil. Although this isn't really a Bible verse, I find it fitting, "God helps those who help themselves."
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 8:34 am
I don't have the feeds so I don't see what some people complain about here - eg the 'holier than thou' attitude. I haven't picked up on it in the show. Jameka seemed pretty upset with herself that she gave up the right to compete in future HOH comps. To me that indicates that she wants to compete and doesn't 'just rely on God.' Not to defend her... just saying that is what I've seen. How has she displayed a 'holier than thou' attitude? tia
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Mrstaz
Member
07-20-2006
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 1:15 pm
Let's face it, anyone that feels strongly about their religious beliefs and doesn't want them compromised should not be in the BB house or apply to go in it. There are plenty of other game shows where contestants can win money, don't have to be away from your family for long periods of time and can be played without their religious beliefs and integrity even having to come into play.
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 1:48 pm
I don't see why someone with 'strong religious beliefs' shouldn't play this game. Jason from BB3 did and he was well liked, esp among viewers, and almost won.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 2:13 pm
ITA Mrstaz~~~ I would say they shouldn't play this game because I really doubt God would say... "Go ahead, play this game. Lie, deceive, talk smack about others, and manipulate others to win a large amount of money. It's all good. It's just a game." I really don't think God would bless this in anyway. I doubt He would approve of the idea.
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 2:19 pm
I'd like to see both Amber and Jameka get off their butts and start playing the game, and stop thinking that God will play it for them. He's not a houseguest and He's not in their alliance, whether they believe it or not. Both Jam & Amber have a great opportunity this week to start striking up some deals to stay in the house, but they'd rather sit back and let God's Will be done. Which is fine, but they seem to forget that God helps them who helps themselves There once was a religious man who climbed up onto his roof when a flood hit, praying for God to save him. A boat came by, and he waved them off: "Save someone else, God will save me." A helicopter came by; same thing. The flood waters rose higher, and he drowned. Finally face-to-face with God, he demanded, "Why didn't you save me when I prayed?" God sighed. "I sent a boat, I sent a helicopter..."
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Sharinia
Member
09-07-2002
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 2:49 pm
I would say they shouldn't play this game because I really doubt God would say... "Go ahead, play this game. Lie, deceive, talk smack about others, and manipulate others to win a large amount of money. It's all good. It's just a game." The HGs don't have to lie or talk smack. They can play however they wish. I really don't think God would bless this in anyway. I doubt He would approve of the idea. So is it wrong then for devoted Christians to watch/support this evil show?
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Mrstaz
Member
07-20-2006
| Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 3:48 pm
I'm not saying they shouldn't play this game. I'm just saying that the way BB is played there are other shows out there where they can get the same result without having to compromise their beliefs and themselves.
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