Author |
Message |
Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:42 am
I find it unbelieveable that folks think this game was just handed to Dick and Dani. They've both played hard. Sure, they've had some advantages (to their own hard work and credit, to AP and Eric's greed, and to others keeping them both in the game). Even Zach admitted that ED's tactics worked (even if they sickened him!). One thing that I will find interesting with the jury is that now they haven't been around Dick this might give them insight into how much he really was able to manipulate the house, psychologically, with his verbal tactics and intimidation.
|
Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:45 am
If people vote against Dani to spite Dick ... how sad for them. However, I truly think this would in fact prove that having a familial alliance in the house also comes with huge disadvantages, particularly in a final vote.
|
Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:49 am
I don't think that people voting against Dani because of Dick would be doing it out of spite. They might do it because they feel that Dani benefited from and encouraged Dick's tactics.
|
C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:54 am
I don't see how Dicks foul verbage ever threw someone off or manipulated them psychologically. Jen was a rock when he attacked her. Kail remained in the game after he attacked her. Zach won the endurance comp and Eric remained in the game after he attacked both of them. How did the verbal attacks work to his favor? That was the schtick that bought him favor with some viewers that enjoy cheering for outrageous behavior like that but the house was sickened by it and wanted to avoid it and this was a good thing? The house didn't fold to this man because of his antics. The house was fighting a battle with BB trying to get rid of this guy. All he accomplished was alienating himself from his peers who may not even give his game a thought and simply not vote for him in the end for being so sour to them. This thread was about who should Zach take to the finals. I think he's safe to take either one and has a very good chance of beating them both.
|
C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:55 am
Jimmer thats what I think as well. In fact Jameka dropped that hint to Zach when she suggested taking Danielle. She said Danielle would be considered the intigator while Dick did the dirty work.
|
Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:03 am
We'll have to agree to disagree. And I know that this thread is about who Zach should take -- which is why I posted what I have about Dick and Dani. Both, in my opinion, have made it to F3 with some luck (that pertains to everyone in this game) and with hard playing. If Zach really believes that Dick shouldn't win because his tactics were disgusting then he really should take Dani, IMO, and let the best player win.
|
Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:19 am
Good point Jimmer............she will hopefully pay due to Dick. I don't care if she does or if he himself pays. I just don't want either to win.
|
Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:32 am
I think Marcellas has it right. He did his weekly talk with Kennedy on Reality Remix. He says Zach will win if in F2. And if Dick and Dani are in F2, Dick will win. And he also said that women don't like to vote for women. However, Zach probably doesn't realize he'd win, despite Jameka saying she would advocate for him (and from what we saw of the jury, that won't be needed) so he will likely agonize back and forth over this decision.
|
Tanith
Member
08-25-2006
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:39 am
I agree with Marcellas about women not voting for women. I don't know why that is, but it rings sorta true.
|
Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:42 am
Oh and another thought, if Zach thinks about it, despite Dick's abrasiveness all season, I think he'd do a better job speaking to the jury members, so Dani would be better to bring for that session because while Zach likes to talk, he tends to want to cram everything into one breath and he ruminates and rambles. Perhaps the instructions will rein him in to being more concise and direct. I don't think this is going to be a real popular win for the jury members. Zach will be a hero for downing the Donatos, but every member of that jury will think they deserve to be there over Zach. Zach may be hurt, but he'll laugh on the way to the bank.
|
Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:44 am
Jeanne, have you considered that Zach making that speech about why he was nominating them might have been just strategy as much as Dick claims his tirades were? He was appealing to Jameka's vote. Dick's verbage did not ever seem to bother him much personally, but if Dick is going to take words that Zach said and twist them into something perverse, why shouldn't he use Dick's and Dani's words and actions against them? Seems smart to me. And at least he has not called them revolting names right to their face on national television.
|
Tanith
Member
08-25-2006
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:45 am
And to add, I think Zach HAS played the game. Once he realized he wasn't going to be "the" powerful guy in the house he made a decision to PLAY the game as low key. He played each HOH winner, kissing butt, offering his vote. And then when the time came he started winning comps. He played smartly by realizing comp winners get huge targets on their back so he won when it mattered.
|
Tanith
Member
08-25-2006
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:47 am
Sea, I agree. Dick has a way of talking. Dani, whether shye means it or not, always rings disingenious and snarky.
|
Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:48 am
Going back to your post Clio (and it's great to see you post here btw!), I don't agree about Jameka. In my opinion she will never ever vote for Dick. Further, I think the jury may tire of the loud, intimidating voices of Dick and Eric and listen to the calm, reasonable voice of Jameka who they all like and was in the house longer than most of them. If she asserts herself in this process, I think it will be a big boost for Zach. In my mind, what may be the most important factor in all of this is the AP reveal. If they do it at the start of the jury roundtable, Eric will be able to explain how our vote influenced so much of the game. The questioning of the F2 would then reflect what actually happened. This is the scenario I favor. Put it all out there for the finalists to defend against and for the jury to consider.
|
Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:49 am
I have, Allietex, yes, but I don't buy it. I actually think how Dick treats people has very much disturbed him.
|
Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:03 pm
I think Zach was bothered by the way Dick treated the other people. But I don't think it bothered him personally, because by the time Dick turned it on Zach, Zach had already become hardened to it and had learned that the best tactic was to either ignore it completely or to laugh and belittle Dick's attempts to shake him. And I would look at it that the best way to humuliated Dick would be for him to lose to Zach in the finals. But in the long run, I think and hope that Zach will take the person he thinks he can beat. If he is smart he is not going to even consider some good guy versus bad guy nonsense. That kind of thinking cost Jameka and Amber any chance at the game. Go for the win.
|
Damick6
Member
07-01-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:29 pm
I am finding it a scream how no one seems to remember Zach working Jessica hard on keeping Dick in the house. So much so, that when Eric came out of the DR with his instructions on who to vote it made convincing Jessica as easy as walk in the park. For what advantage did Zach have in doing that? Dragging Dick to the end. He knew back then what he had to do. I want Zach to take Dick to the end, just like he has planned all along. He also had to appear stupid and not capable of winning comps. He did that. He should take Dick because most people, in their vanilla upbringing do not cotton to people like Dick Donato with his foul mouth, mind screwing, farting and belching ways.
|
Pattie444
Member
07-03-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:30 pm
I keep going back in my mind to the jury house tape and how they all said they HATED Zach and hoped Jameka was in final 3. Yes they hate D/D, but they all hate Zach more.
|
Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:49 pm
I have these last page of posts to read but I've cut n pasted something that Caught my eye from prev post. Dick does this weird thing where he yells, then he cooks you dinner, then he has a heart to heart talk with you. I saw that whole range of actions as aggression. Yells, gets angry if anyone else cooks, dominates the kitchen, gives people heck for leaving a mess, reams people out for not doing their dishes, then later, completely unsolicited Dick will tell them how he is so smart and has it all figured out and how they are so stupid and are doing everything wrong! I saw very few heart to hearts in the house. Not one involved Dick. He lectured, he didnt listen. This lack of listening was obvious when Dani was trying to coach him for the Comp today. he really didnt have a clue about most people. I was really surprised because he truly was around them a lot more than Zach. OKAY, my statement is over LOL Zach has considered Dani a Partner due to his loss of Nick. He could take Dani and in his mind rectify it as 'the only choice'. However, I think if he tried to explain this warped logic to the jury, Zach may just blow it.
|
Suzsmarmie
Member
07-26-2005
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 1:17 pm
Remember one thing..No matter which one he takes, one Donato WILL be on the jury and have time to talk to the jury members. That could make alot of difference..
|
Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 2:23 pm
Didn't see any heart to hearts with Dick Sunshyne? You need video? You KNOW I've got video! Tres, I do not believe they will reveal about AP until after the winner has been announced. That's the only fair way to do it. If MARCI thinks Zach will win the game then that gives me even more reassurance that he WONT. 
|
Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 2:24 pm
I've got nothing left to look forward when it comes to BB8 except some major league karma. If Zach wins over either Donato, a mortician won't be able to wipe the smile off this face. And, wouldn't it be just a cherry on top to have his win followed up with Dani sitting in the DR laughing hysterically at even the notion that Zach could win over either of them. Bring it AWN with a capitol K!
|
Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 2:48 pm
This is the dicussion C1 mentioned a few pages back (the one after Dick won the veto that he would use on Dani.) Thought you all might like to see it again..... 8/12 post veto comp. discussion I giggled when I saw the title I gave it. Can you tell who's side I'm on? And even funnier was Dustin pitching a fit that Dick had stolen his crown ..... it's like a line from a Don McClean song. "and while the king was looking down, the jester stole his thorny crown
|
Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 2:50 pm
Clio, you can freely give me examples however, Methinks Dick fans have called his lectures 'heart to hearts'. His complaining about Dani to anyone who would listen also is not what I'd call a heart to heart. Yeah, it was about personal stuff but that was about it. I dont wish to watch tons of Clips but Clio if you have one example go ahead and give it here OR send it to my members thread. ((CLIO! Dick is no where NEar BBaus Hotdog in any category. I realize we had slim pickens this year but.....??! maybe one day we'll get a decent hunk to cheer on LOL))
|
Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 2:52 pm
i think zach has the better chance with dick..
|