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Beckie03
Member
07-05-2007
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 11:00 am
I think whatever gets you to the end is the best game...and seeing how there is eight years of BB and every single year it is a different game plan that gets these people to the end... I don't think there is a perfect strategy. It is whatever strategy that gets you to the end...
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 12:25 pm
It depends on how an individual defines "best" and what their own personal set of criteria and values is. A person competes in the Olympics and wins a bronze medal, and they are pleased that they did their personal best. A person competes in the Olympics and wins a gold medal, bribes and cons the judges and thinks they did their personal best. (specifically I use the figure skating/ice dance competitions as the immediate example)
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Northwestblonde
Member
09-01-2005
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 1:55 pm
I really like that comparison Loppes. Everything is SO subjective and greatness is definitely in the eye of the beholder. All you have to do is look at the current political climate and how presidents are remembered throughout history to see how greatness varies greatly depending on who you ask.
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 2:13 pm
North, yes very true. 
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 2:17 pm
Loppes, that is really not a fair comparison. BB rules allows for lies, bribes, cons, deceipt, etc. Figureskating competitions DO NOT.
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 2:22 pm
Jeane, pairs ice dance was, it's an Analogy and I firmly stand by it, and if you look it up you will see there were issues with the gold medalists pairs from Russia, and a Canadian pairs. You're welcome to research it.
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 2:27 pm
Oh, believe me, I know lots about figure skating, LOL. What I am saying is, you can't compare figure skating as a competition with BB because the rules in BB ALLOWS for deceipt and lies -- FS does NOT.
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Mr_furd
Member
08-01-2007
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 3:08 pm
Playing the best game as it concerns Big Brother, it is all in the personal interactions and the contests. Look at the game in it's basics. A group of people sitting around and each week they have to chose one out of two folks to leave. So to determine this, they have a contest, the winner cannot be chosen, however they must chose the two to go....etc The point is there is no such animal as Best Player of the game, it is mostly chance..yes there are many factors that a person can use that can effect the outcome in their favor as well as effect it against them. Winning contest is extremly helpful, even more so than personality. So as far as Dick and Dani being the "best players" however, they are the only ones that brought their alliance to the final 2..only in that regards would they even be close to being considered.."the best"
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Neosporen
Member
08-18-2005
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 3:12 pm
Actually, they ARE the best players of the season, they are F2, the others are not....lol You may not think they had the Best GAMEPLAY, but thats a different thing...IMHO They are the best players in all the seasons cause they DID accomplish what others couldn't...
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 3:23 pm
Janelle, Danielle 3 and Jason never won the top prize in the game. Janelle and Jason never got to F2. I think that's what Dick was referring to. He likes Janelle.
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Northwestblonde
Member
09-01-2005
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 3:55 pm
Neo, that seems to be where the separation lies...those that believe making it to the F2 is being the best player and those who don't believe even winning the game makes you the best player. It's like I've said numerous times on here about the hype of Dr. Will being proclaimed the best person to ever play the game. I couldn't disagree more. He threw every challenge (or so he claims) and lied and manipuluated his way to the prize money. Does this make him a great player? In my opinion, heck no, but that's the beauty of subjectivity...LOL
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 4:15 pm
Dr Will told everyone from the beginning that he planned to lie and do whatever he could to win. I was happy he won because Nicole seemed like a head case. Dick certainly didn't play under the radar, He showed his game play right away and was not afraid to go balls out. Many may not like his tactics but he was there to win, not make friends with people he'll never see again. He also didn't stand around or hide in HoH. I hope there are more players next year that come to play and not take to their beds.
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Mammyyokum
Member
06-05-2005
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 7:16 pm
After raising a figure skater, I have to say that I like the comparison there! *L* 'S like how Tonya Harding's beau had Nancy Kerrigan's knee whacked to get her out of the game. It worked for that moment in time, but Nancy ended up with a decent carreer and respect from others in her sport and where did Tonya end up? Same thing here, Dick and Danielle fought and kicked and threatened their way through, will each get a big check, but who ends up the real winners in life????
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 8:07 pm
Jeanne, as well do I. Mammy xactly, and thats why I restated earlier that I stand by my analogy. Glad to see you got it too 
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 8:08 pm
Nyc you are correct, the difference between Will and Dick was the type of language they used. Will won without swearing profanities every other minute.
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 8:11 pm
Maybe next year CBS can check with the viewers as to what language the HG's can use.
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Riverbunny
Member
06-30-2007
| Friday, September 14, 2007 - 10:44 pm
I think Dick, the Dr and Mike have all played the game the best in history... inform me if I have missed anything... But think about it... Dick has caused so much commosion and survived the block 4 times and including repeating the dumbest move in history by taking his daughter off the block instead of himself and yet he is still in the game... mmmmm in the final 2 even... that took some major game play... then there is last season... the chill kings.... they really played head games across the board including purposely not accomplishing tasks and still one came out the victor... let's think about this
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Tissy
Member
07-28-2003
| Saturday, September 15, 2007 - 12:07 am
Dont forget he has reached the F2 by the intervention of the AP vote so it`s not all down to great game playing. Doubt it`ll knock his ego too much when he finds out though because he`ll realise America loves him ...
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Mssas
Member
08-04-2006
| Saturday, September 15, 2007 - 4:06 am
Doubt it`ll knock his ego too much when he finds out though because he`ll realise America loves him ...} This American doesn't "love" Dick. Exactly the opposite. I find his actions disgusting, in fact, I find everything about him disgusting. 
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Messalina
Member
06-19-2005
| Saturday, September 15, 2007 - 5:48 am
This American doesn't love him either. I get amused (the only thing amusing IMO about this season) at the way he is idolized by many. Someone upthread compared Dick to Will saying the only difference was the use/non use of profanity. I disagree. Will was funny and charming at the same time he was deceitful and conniving, IMO. The most vivid memory of have of Dick was when he was ranting at Jen and slammed the golf club down on the table in front of her. That was anger, hate and out of control vitriol. Nobody can sugar coat it for me. I watched it and was horrified. And this is the guy I've seen referred to here as gentle, kind, sweet? A bad boy with a soft side? If this is "playing the game the best" then obviously my brain isn't wired to allow me to understand this kind of thinking. This show is no longer for me and I've been around since BB1. I'm actually ashamed I stayed with it all season but I was hoping for a better ending. Thank goodness, I've come to my senses and this is my BB swan song.
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Milosmom
Member
06-10-2006
| Saturday, September 15, 2007 - 6:29 am
I am the one who called him the bad boy with a soft side, and we have seen many examples of that. But I have always seen the glass half full, rather than half empty. Dick is where he is because he played the game the best. The other hg's had many opportunities to take him out and they didn't. They may have been guilty of thinking like Nicole did about Will in season 2. Take the one most hated to the end, so they can win. We saw how that one turned out!
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Nycsoho
Member
08-11-2007
| Saturday, September 15, 2007 - 8:10 am
We sure did see that in BB2. I don't think anyone would discribe Dick as charming but then again I haven't seen the BB handbook. I guess some have. I doubt it requires a player to have charm or any other specific characteristic in order to be in the house or win.
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Northwestblonde
Member
09-01-2005
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 9:24 am
The superficiality of the Los Angeles celebrity scene I believe has clouded the heads of those that work in the industry. I believe you can create a diverse, fun, interesting, and intriguing show without having to "cast" for it. The faith these executives have in the public is non-existent and it's too bad that a reality show with no connection to big production companies hasn't been created. I'd just love to see something shown that is totally outside the box with folks who've never set foot in L.A. or N.Y.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 10:00 am
"Best" was Brian what's-his-name from I think it was Season 3 Survivor. The guy that had the soft-porn videos and was a used car salesman or something, went on to win without even breathing hard. He had lunatic competence and skills for that game, he's the only player in any of these reality contests that I've said from the beginning had the whole package. Everyone else plays the hand they're dealt in a completely subjective game like BB. If they had cast even one person with the ability and willingness to put the smackdown on Dick the minute he started verbally assaulting people we'd have had a whole different season. Dick and Dani were the best this season, but I don't see them as the best ever for anything else.
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