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Celticlass
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09-10-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Celticlass a private message Print Post    
“Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD” (Leviticus 19:28).

Hmmm...wonder what Jameka has to say about that one?

Pesonally, I am not christian and I do have a tattoo, which is visible or not depending on what I wear. I have had "good christians" approach me with just this verse. Nice of them to want to be so "helpful" and concerned about my soul.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
I think Leviticus should be burned out of the bible. It is the root of much evil and persecution.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Shield/scapegoat...kind of the same thing. She says she makes her decision based on what God/The Bible tell her what to do, and then she shows her alliance members verses to back up her decisions and her actions. Now who (besides Dick) is going to question her or tell her or anyone else that The Bible is wrong? So in one POV she decides that God has told her to go all out and win the POV, and in the second POV she decides that God has not told her and she does not go all out and win the POV. I guess it just depends which verse you are reading at the time.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Celtic I have had bad experiences such as that myself. Growing up in Tenn was no picnic. I am old enough to remember when blacks were not allowed into movies by so called good christians. My sisters and I were denied seats in a local movie theater by a very prominent white christian. It was devastating.

Celticlass
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09-10-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Celticlass a private message Print Post    
Jeanne, I agree with you, it is brandished like a weapon...but again, only parts of it.

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Kel perhaps she is doing the best she knows how. I imagine she is out of her league in that house and being the only black does not help I guess.

Jeannie23
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07-16-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeannie23 a private message Print Post    
Joy- I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I remember those awful years but they brought great change although I know there is still bigotry today.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
She is using her religion as part of her game, that's her choice. Dick is using his personality as part of his game, that's his choice. She'll definitely get farther than he will, and so congrats to her. My opinion is that she knows exactly what she's doing, just as he knows he's exactly what he's doing. But here's my problem....Dick is a bartender, so do I believe he is representative of all "good" bartenders out there....No.
Jameka is a Christian, so do people believe that she is representative of all "good" Christians out there....that's the million dollar question I guess...}

Joyfuld
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joyfuld a private message Print Post    
Jeannie thanks :-) I guess my point being we do the best we can with what we have and what we know.

Jeanne
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeanne a private message Print Post    
Keldogg ... I don't think she is. However, I must admit that my opinion is more based on my own experiences with respect to how "christians" treated my gay father, and me because I have a gay father.

Topshotta
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07-06-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Topshotta a private message Print Post    
shes a christian woman, but what people need to realize is shes human and shes not perfect. Big Brother is a game based on deception, cheating and lying.

If you're gonna step in the hog pen, you're gonna get dirty. Dick is the kind of person who can't be dealt with in a 'turn the other cheek' manner. Jen tried to do that and he walked all over her, the only thing that stopped Dick's mistreatment of Jen is when he found out he NEEDED her.

Christians are subject to mistakes and wrongdoings just like everyone else, and to hold them to a higher standard doesn't make alot of sense.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I'm not holding her to a higher standard...I'm asking that she not hold everyone else to a lower standard.

Topshotta
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07-06-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 2:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Topshotta a private message Print Post    
I don't believe she held everyone to a low standard, she's really only gotten into these religion based altercation with Dick, who shows absolutely NO respect for religion and God.

Ive said this on the board before, Even though jameka is very outwardly religious, she doesnt force her beliefs on anyone. Dustin is a gay man, most hardcore christians wouldn't even want to associate with him, but Jameka treats dustin like any other person. Did you see or hear the foul homosexual slurs Dick was calling dustin last night?

As a matter of fact, Jameka hasnt said a fraction of the foul things about other houseguests that Dick has, so for her to be viewed as this big time hypocrite, i dont really understand it. nobody makes it through a full game of big brother without lying or deceiving, but out of everyone in the house right now I think she has done less of it than just about everyone.

That should speak for itself

Hotfudge
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07-03-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hotfudge a private message Print Post    
I don't appreciate when a religious person has the audicity to judge another person and tell them they will burn in Hell. Isn't that God's decision?

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Yeah, but God speaks to Jameka....

He must have told her that.

Martinidreams
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08-19-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Martinidreams a private message Print Post    
As for accusing Jameka of judging, most people are judging her beliefs by their own preconceived notions of what that belief is and that's unfair to Jameka. It's my belief that a cuss word is no different than a non-cuss word that throws the same type of insult. (for example)

While I've liked Dick up until the last show, he's the biggest hypocrite of all. He may think his lack of religious belief excuses the same behavior he criticizes others but it doesn't. He's annoyingly becoming more 'holier than thou' than anyone else in the house.

And I applaud BB for their diverse cast this year. And if you consider it honestly, people who don't like "Bible thumpers" in the game really are no different from anyone who doesn't like gays in the game.

Celticlass
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09-10-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Celticlass a private message Print Post    
"Dustin is a gay man, most hardcore christians wouldn't even want to associate with him, but Jameka treats dustin like any other person. "

This is because she has gotten to know Dustin, as a man, who happens to be gay. It has been my experience that most homophobes hide behind their bible. Some will tell you they "know" a gay man, but what they mean is they "know of" a gay man. They are afraid to get to know him, because if they do, the might find out he is really just a person, with thoughts, feelings, emotions, and ethics like the rest of us. It's easier to brandish their bible. It's easier to point a finger and condem a group of people when you don't humanize them. Once you humanize, your perceptions are bound to change.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Comparing "Bible Thumpers" in the game to gays in the game?
That's what I call a big stretch....

I have no problem with people of any religion being in the game. I'm talking about how people use that religion within the game's context.

Celticlass
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09-10-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Celticlass a private message Print Post    
Your religion or your spirituality is your CHOICE...your sexual orientation is your nature. Big difference.

Martinidreams
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08-19-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Martinidreams a private message Print Post    
No, not in the game. In the (public's) wish that the show not cast any more "Bible thumpers".

Napa1526
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07-14-2007

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Napa1526 a private message Print Post    
I am a Christian, and I know a lot of VERY devout Christians. After seeing her on today's feeds....give me a break. The language she uses and the actions she used are NOT that of a Christian. I realize this IS a game, however, I would NEVER say how strong my faith is in one breath and turn around and swear like a truck driver and call people outside the house, (whom she doesn't even know) the names she has said. It is people like her who turn people who are confused about their faith running. As a Christian we ARE judged by our actions, NOT by how much preaching we do. I realize she IS human and will make mistakes....but not talk like that in the name of her faith. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Martinidreams
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08-19-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Martinidreams a private message Print Post    
If you think about it, how different is that to the sentiment of those who don't like watching gays in the game? Both sides need to learn to live and let live.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I don't begrudge Jameka the momentary blowing of her shit at Dick. Lord knows he's asked for it more than a few times. I was very surprised at the depth of the levels into which she reached (she said some pretty nasty stuff, and when called on it said that "God knew I was going to say that before I did" - yes, Jameka and God knew you would make the wrong choice). Whatever. I'd have blown off at Dick much earlier and without chanting that God loves me anyway, because that's between me and God if it was true at all.

I came in here to ask (instead of in the current events thread, this seems more appropriate) whether Jameka has reflected on her comments and language to Dick and seen fit to apologize? Not that Dick is deserving of an apology, but whether Jameka offered an apology? And not that Jameka is required to apologize, but I would think that in a quieter moment Jameka would regret having gone there.

Sabbatia
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08-15-2005

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 5:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sabbatia a private message Print Post    
I was taught that people would know you were a Christian by your actions and words....but you were not to flaunt it. Take that verse in Matthew But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

I don't see what she's been doing in front of all those cameras as praying in her room in private. IMHO, Jameka uses Christianity as a weapon and she gives it a bad name by the way she's acting. YES, I realize she's human, but she's the one putting God in the game. I'm sure God didn't tell her to follow Dick around last night and goad him into that argument....and based on the feeds, she was goading him.

OTOH, both she and Amber have big ones for insulting him as a father. I don't see Amber winning mother of the year or anything. Ya gotta have a little respect for Dick, because he COULD have tossed those two abortions out there when they were insulting his fathering skills...and yet he had the decency to hold back.

BTW, I hope his mom comes to the after party...she's got some butt kicking to do!

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, August 10, 2007 - 5:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
he couldn't toss the two abortions out there because he doesn't know about them.

and GAL, yes, she's reflected and she admits that she owes him an apology.