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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 8 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 8 - Part 10: I f Zach wins part 3 of HOH who will he take with him?: Archive through September 13, 2007 users admin

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C1mag
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07-12-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Merry if Dick is there with Zach I will be stunned if Jameka votes for Dick just because Zach decided to keep Dick over Danielle. Jameka made it clear several times she didn't want Dick near that money. She isn't going to suddenly turn around and give the larger amount to him. I also don't think Zach finding Jamekas God is going to factor at all to this jury. I really feel this jury will have only one goal. To make sure a Donato does not take the larger money. You know It's sorta funny talking about it all now when we don't even know who the final two are as of yet. I still think it's going to be a Donato final but it would be interetsting if Zach was in there.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
Loppes, they aren't supposed to talk about the game in the jury house, except for very limited amounts when tapes are shown, etc. They are still being watched.

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
Unfortunately (for her) Mssas, Jen has no pull with these people.

Dick does this weird thing where he yells, then he cooks you dinner, then he has a heart to heart talk with you. It's like a Will Kirby mindscrew in reverse ha ha. This tactic, in some weird twisted way, endeared him to them.

Also, they never stood up to him because they were afraid of him, you could see it in their faces. Remember Eric cowering in his bed or in the hot tub? Remember Dustin running to yell through the close patio door then running back? And that's just two examples. Dick this awesome (I dont mean "great" awesome, I mean "mighty" awesome) powerful force in their eyes and Zach is .... well, something I'm not allowed to repeat.

c1, I'll go back and watch that meeting you're talking about again .... thanks, I'm really trying to get into their heads, that's why I'm bouncing ideas off of you all. It's GREAT if you (all) think Zach will beat Dick, but WHY? And thanks to those of have given me reasons this far. I'm just trying to make sure I'm not so blinded by my Dick love that I'm missing something.

c1, I fully realize that Dick would have gone home the week Dustin left without some help by AP and the producers (cue the rabbit hole!) but there are so many other things D/D did that didn't involve that and Eric knows THAT too.

And C1, I'm interested to know your thoughts about Eric as a reality fan giving Zach (whom I'm sure he perceives as a floater) the win over the D/D who played the game?

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
LOL, Milosmom an Eric/Dick final two would have been great TV, of course I think we would have been voting for different outcomesOk, so I admit I am biased about 'my player' but if the houseguests have de-compressed enough to vote strategically as opposed to emotionally and AP is to vote a Donato than I don't think Zach can win. Of course Zach has to get there first and AP would have to not only get the Donato vote but follow instruction - he has skimped on that in the past. I do think if he gets America's nod to vote for a Donato he will work it. Strategically, the Donato's have played a better game than Zach, the fact that both of them are still in the game says that. They not only had a huge advantage, they had a huge target and should have been voted out weeks ago(so reminded me of Will & Mike last year what were the HG thinking!), of course America had a part in that not happening as much as the houseguests themselves not forcing that.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
Milo, yes that's what has been said, but I'm wondering if they don't wear microphones, etc, that they probably get some moments to sneak a few words between themselves regarding the game.
Of course who knows...BB seems to never be clear to us on that part.

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
Yep Milo ...... that's my impression too. Meka seemed to think it was her job to go back lobby the jury. I know from speaking to past HG's family members that they are not SUPPOSED to talk about the game in the house, but how do the stop them? Did Boogie win by a landslide because they all independantly agreed with one another or because Will was in the jury house? Who knows?

Ivory_mist
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08-31-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ivory_mist a private message Print Post    
Also remeber Dustin at the jury house saying..."remember we don't want a floater like Zach in the final 2....that's why we should have gotten rid of him earlier."

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Oh Milos I would have loved and Eric/Dick final. That would have been a very interesting situation.

I do think this group has the ability to look past emotion but it is a bit of an insult to ask them to reward Dick and Danielles behavior of verbal harrassment. They watched her egg him on while he went around like a bat out of hell. If he could have just reeled it in a notch or two I think they could get past it. But some of the things he called those women were outrageous. I think it's a bit comical that he thinks they should suddenly give him half a million dollars and over look just because through his eyes he played a brilliant game. He doesn't even know yet that Eric would have voted him out if he wasn't AP.

There is so much to this game and it's not just winning comps or structuring trying to get someone evicted. You have to work the group that will decide if you should truly be called the winner. Their choice to not give Dick the larger amount of money may be as simple as them saying that in fact he was the biggest loser on the show.

I'm also feeling a bit like the DR egged Dick behavior on as well for ratings and never stopped to think how it "might" impact someone voting for or against him in a finals situation. There were a few times when he actually would sit and wonder if he should say or do something and a few times when he would say to Danielle that the DR was hinting to him that he should keep the verbage going. It's too bad he didn't see the downside to that type of baiting.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
You have a point. I do rememeber Howie wanted to vote for Ivette but Rachel wouldn't let him. So she must have been able to tell him about Ivette's goodbye speech to Rachel where she called Rachel a horrible person.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
I think that Dick has been so over-the-top outrageous/vile this summer that it's now become good triumphs over evil (Evel). Is there anyone in that house besides Jessica who wasn't a target for that venom? But she did witness it. It's hard to get past that when he's attacked you, your family, your beliefs and the horse you rode in on.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I would like him to take Dani because she has played a good game and I absolutely do not want the jury to have a chance to give Dick the money. Voting for Dick to win is an appeal to their pride as players and "objective" jurors based on "best gameplay" even though he treated all of them like crap. It would be a vindication of his nasty tactics and should not be rewarded.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Clio in regard to Eric supporting a Zach win over Dick it would be an Eric game move all the way to voting time. If he doesn't want to see Dick win the larger amount of money he can quickly switch up Zachs so called game of floating to one of brilliance. He can say that obviously Zach sat back and waited til he needed to start winning things, but made sure he was always safe and that there was another target waiting in the wings. He can suggest that Zach let everyone do the dirty work and that he played the Donatos perfectly letting them believe he would roll over for them at the finish line but in the end he nominated them both and tried to get one of them out. When that didn't work he won again and took himself over the finish line and also accomplished something no one else in the house could do. Zach would have gotten one of the Donatos out of the game. Trust me, with all that hot air Erics got he can switch any negative thought of Zachs game into a positive. He can't outright give that vote to Zach but he can make sure the majority of the jury will.

Don't forget that Eric, no matter what all his babble suggests, is an emotional player. He wanted blood after Dick and Danielle tried to eliminate him the first time. I don't think there was any healing from that moment to the pressent at all. I think having to vote to keep Dick in the game for Eric was like swallowing his own vomit. In fact I think Eric pretty much gave up on actually thinking he could make it to the end at that point. To add insult to injury what happens? Dick and Danielle screwed both him and Jessica over before he could get a chance to do the same. Now couple that with all the verbage Dick spewed at him way back and I'm pretty sure Erics choice would be to see ANYONE but a Donato take the larger money. If it means making Zachs game appear bigger than what some may think it was I think he'll do it and consider it a collective screw you to both Dick and Danielle.

Carmil
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07-17-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmil a private message Print Post    
On the most part, I agree with Clio and how the jury will vote. Except for AP... I noticed a complete change in the tide for Dick vs. Zach in a final 2 (based on recent polls on Joker's). I think Dick lost a lot of support for the way he acted after Dani won the last POV, not to mention tonight when the viewers see how Dick ranted to Zach during the endurance. Because of this,I'm no longer 100% sure that the AP vote will go to Dick against Zach... but we'll see.

Bottom line, if the jury votes emotionally, Zach will win. If they vote strategically, Dick will win.

If it's Dick vs. Dani, I think Dani will take it. Personally, I want to see Dick win because I think he played an amazing game even though I didn't always condone many of his unnecesary personal verbal rants. The man came to win, there's no denying that.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
I expect the edit on the show tonight will only show Zach yelling at Dick because there aren't two strung together words in Dick's tirade they can air. Then we'll see Daniele encouraging her beaten down father and losing to the young, fit Zach.

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Oh yikes Aurora! The shame of it is that would make great TV, somebody quick delete that post before a BB AP sees it.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
I guess I'm one of those thats really lost on how Dick played an amazing game. Take away all the horrific verbage and what is left?

Jameka couldn't go for an HOH. The one person who had HOH the prior week couldn't play for HOH as well. Zach and Eric threw most of the HOH's. This gave Dick and Danielle a HUGE advantage in those comps. Not to mention the house flat out used The Donatos knowing they lusted after those hoh's and they would do some of their dirty work for them.

The vetos were a different story but again it's highly questionable how Dick won his when Zach could pound away hotdogs and garbage. Not to mention Zachs game was based on avoiding winning the comps. Now add into the fact that the AP was slighted for the donatos as well which left Eric completely powerless to go after them. So I'm left wondering where the heck was this amazing game of Dicks? The fact that he marched around spitting and proclaiming his greatness un-aware of so many other factors that contributed to him even remaining in the game does not make his game amazing to me. I never drank any of that kool-aide he was serving. In fact it had to be the poorest game move to be so insulting that you open the door for the jury to not hand you one single vote because they simply hate your guts. To me that is horrific game play. I feel he was walked to the finish line. If he happens to answer more questions correctly this evening I'm still not going to be impressed. Those questions usually have fluke type answers. It would be another moment of luck for him and his daughter.

Princessdoubt
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07-04-2007

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Princessdoubt a private message Print Post    
I think Zach CAN beat either of the Donatos...depending on if a) the jury is voting emotinoally Or also if b) he can prove to the jury that although he appeared to be a floater, he played just as strong a game strategically & competitively as the Donatos. And that they were two people...he is only one. (some line like: yes, you can vote for the Donatos to win...but then you'd have to split the money between them).

I think a lot of this is going to come down to jury questions that are asked and answered.

- Dick has to not freak out and will have to push how strategically he played.
- Danielle has to not complain and has to have strong answers to back the house's "fear of her father" carrying her.
- And as for Zach, he has to be confindent, but not conceited or cocky, but also not boring as all get out.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
If they do it like last season, they will have a roundtable just before the questioning of the houseguests. F3 will not go to the jury house. He or she will show up at the roundtable. They sit around and talk pros and cons of the finalists. And it does no good to see it because they do not show all of it, so you get no feel of who they are going to vote for. I suspect they all say why they should or should not vote for each person and BB then edits it to confuse us.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
D/D before the jury would be ever so polite and quite sweet < rolling eyes here Q^Q>.
My question is, if Dani has to leave tonight would she go to the jury house? I am sure the asnwer is yes which I find absolutely "delicious" and I stamp that !


A Zach win would be "double delicious ".

Doublethink
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08-23-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Doublethink a private message Print Post    
C1 - I agree with you. I don't understand the praise that Dick is getting for his game play. The week that Danielle won HOH and went after Eric was so personal and NOT good game play. Yet, Dick did nothing to rein her in and suggest other strategic choices. He just kept praising how smart she was, and then started praising himself at how smart he was to figure it all out. It was a very stupid use of the HOH week. Dick would easily have been gone the next week if it were not for the AP vote, BB influence, and Eric and Jessica's ability to get Zach and Jen to switch their votes.

Princessdoubt
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07-04-2007

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Princessdoubt a private message Print Post    
One other thought...it's better to keep Dick & get rid of Danielle. That way you keep Dick away from the jury. He's not just a vote for Danielle, he's the strong arm in the jury house and could be dangerous.

Some people 'might' vote against Danielle to spite Dick, but I think the pattern has been set up and the jury house is afraid of his wrath. This makes Dick more of a threat in the jury house than he is in the final two.

Danielle wouldn't be as strong a force to get them to vote for her dad. PLUS...you'd also be doing the jury house a favour by keeping Dick away from them for a few more days. ;)

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Dick in the jury house means nothing, they may vote for Zach purely as revenge. As to Dani she won't have anyone to talk to much so she is unmportant in the jury house as well.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Princess, once they go to vote, Dick has NO power over them anymore. He can rant and rave as much as he wants to, they never have to see him again. The more awful he acted, the more likely they would punish him by not voting for Dani. He is smart enough to see this. No his approach in the jury house (if he goes) will be the chrming Dick. But, oh is he going to lie through his teeth about Zach. By the time he gets through, Zach will be some horrible monster that eats small children, and sells porn on the internet to underage girls. And it will all be done in the most reaonalble, charming tone of voice you can imagine.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
One problem for the jury is being able to seperate Dick and Dani.

Everyone talks about how dominate they were in the house. But they were dominate as a team, not as indivduals. Although good competitors, they had few mental game skills.

They would have been gone a long time ago if they had not had each other to depend on. How many times did one of them win veto to save the other one or HOH so neither would be put up.

But if only one of them go to F2, how can you give that person credit for what they did as a team. It is not as if they had to work to form a strong alliance, theirs was built in.

Somehow that does not have the appeal that an alliance like Danielle and Justin had where they depended on each other through trust they built, not through the parent child tie.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Allietex....Jason you mean?