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Askme_who_ur
Member
08-19-2006
| Friday, August 17, 2007 - 9:57 pm
Kearie... the verse is 1 Timothy 6:10 and it says "For the love of money is the root of all KINDS of evil, ...." it is often misquoted, Money could not be the root of ALL evil because when you take money to buy food to feed the poor or pay for a doctor for a sick individual or do anything good with it those aren't bad things. Why do people work ? SO they can receive money to live. The difference is people should not live for money. People come into this house for several reasons. The main one being to receive a paycheck/ payoff at the end of the game. Hopefully, be the last person standing to get the highest payoff. Other come in for exposure , or the experience(yeah, right Jen). If Dick can abuse people , then Jameka and Amber can pray. Exactly WHO are they hurting with their prayers? Dick is doing emotional damage. If you don't agree with them . then don't. But I can't see saying they don't have the right to pray. THIS IS AMERICA !!!!! They have their right to pray. And as for God answering, as silly as you think their prayers are, He can choose to or not. It's His perogitive. Just as parents don't honor all the requests our children make to us. God is our Father we can ask. But we are to serve Him not to be served BY Him.
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Kearie
Member
07-21-2005
| Friday, August 17, 2007 - 10:24 pm
Perhaps it's miss quoted, but the meaning is there. The LOVE of money, also known as greed, is behind much evil. Not money in and of itself.
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Askme_who_ur
Member
08-19-2006
| Friday, August 17, 2007 - 11:00 pm
I don't think it is greed in and of itself to go on a reality show. Just as going to work to get a paycheck to pay bills is not greed. Or going on Jeopardy or any other game show to earn money is greed. Have you seen anything exhibited by these women to show greed? or is it just your belief that by their merely coming on BB8 constitutes greed ?
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Ambi
Member
08-11-2007
| Friday, August 17, 2007 - 11:07 pm
I've just seen so much wrong done in the very name of God that jameka's behavior sickens me primarily because she is using it in this context of a reality show. This show has been on for 8 years and I'm sure Jameka knows the show. It was not right to use God as a weapon or arguement point in the past seasons or now. Public praying is good if it is in contex, like praying in church, funerals ect. When a person uses it in this context it is so wrong. They don't even let you behave like this in the public schools. Thats what private schools are for. Dick is not slamming Jameka's beliefs but her use of them on a reality show.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 12:46 am
As has been dicussed earlier, there are many denominations and non denominations within the Christian faith (belief in Christ, his resurection, salvation for our sins and sitting on the right hand of God interceeding for us.). I believe there is no context for when to pray or how to pray (except the Lord's prayer, which is a format). Only teachings that tell you when, where and how. How many in the old and new testament 'cried out' to God? Think of it this way....God is our Heavenly Father. Think of your father on earth. Can he hear you when you are silent? Yes, sometimes he can. Can he hear you when you are speaking out loud? Yes. I know God can hear silent prayers, but I also know my mind wanderes more during silent prayers. So if I really need to pray about something I pray out loud and I don't care who hears me or where I am. When I needed to talk to my earthly father I talked to him anytime of the day or night regardless of who was around. (Believe me my Dad did not like hearing that his car had been smashed when I woke him up at 3 a.m., some 20 odd years ago, but he did forgive me.) Within my community, vocal prayer is the normal way to pray. Perhaps we can all learn from this. We differ. No one is right or wrong, we just differ. For me, watching BB and coming to this board is about learning more about human nature and learning more about people's behavior. Can we leave it at that? And not attack someone who prays and worships God in a different way? Just accept the new knowledge and go on? Why pray if you never expect God to care, help or answer you? If you believe God cares about you, he cares about the little and the big things in your life. Often the little things affect the big things later down the road. We need to listen and sometimes we are wrong. Then we need more prayer and more listening. Why is this the only game show I have seen where the fans berate someone for praying or believeing in God? It is also normal for non Christtians to be offened by prayer. Example Dick's reactions. I am not judging him, just going by what he has stated. Only God knows our hearts. I like Kaysar, I rooted for him too, but his prayer rug footage bothered me. BB did minimize that footage. I believe differently and don't believe in just reciting prewritten prayers at preprescribed times of the day. So I just took him as the person he presented himself to be and liked him. This post is just for your individual thoughts. I am not trying to argue, I am presenting another side and food for thought.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 1:00 am
Greed is not an issue on BB. The big prize will not set anyone for life. Minus taxes and tithe (for Christians), what are we talking? Half for Uncle Sam and 10% for God equals 200,000. How can anyone live on that in this days ecomony? Where I live $200,000 grand is a very small house in a non desirable neighborhood and an inexpensive car. If you have debt you may not even get the car. Doesn't sound greedy to me.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 2:49 am
quote:Kearie... the verse is 1 Timothy 6:10 and it says "For the love of money is the root of all KINDS of evil, ...."
Only in the New International Version. The King James Version does indeed say "For the love of money is the root of ALL evil." That's the problem with trying to use individual words to interpret the meaning of Bible quotes. Different words are used in different versions. On Hell's Kitchen, right before the winner was revealed, Rock prayed for the strength to handle the outcome. I liked that approach to prayer. If Amber and Jameka were praying for the strength needed to get through this experience, regardless of the outcome, I wouldn't have a problem with their prayer. But I get the impression they think they are somehow more deserving of their god's help in winning than anyone else in the house is, and therefore pray for help in winning, or interpret random occurrences as signs their god wants them to win.
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Castleexplorer
Member
08-10-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 4:16 am
Well, I'm kind of sick to my stomach. I was giving Jameka the benefit of a doubt, although I thought that the praying out loud was a bit much. To each his own. Now I just spent seven minutes watching Jameka BEGGING to see Eric's "junk" on youtube. She is drinking a bit of wine, so that might be behind her request. http://youtube.com/watch?v=msxuTmdt27E
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 4:33 am
I really am not crazy about anyone who seems to have a convenient religion! When its convenient for Jameka what ever happens was God's will * like when her ping pong ball got picked and she saved Jen*. When it guess against what she wants it is the devils work *Dick winning POV* I really liked Jameka till I seen her Playing the game this way! When the twins bought religion into it everyone had a hissy fit! Because people didn't care for them. Personly I don't care if you bring your faith in the game. Like Kaysar did, It was respectful, he didnt say it was Gods will this happened etc. I have a problem with someone putting Gods stamp of approval or not depending on how they like the outcome!
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 5:10 am
There cannot be God without the Devil, and consequently there also cannot be good without bad. Neither can exist without the other. That is the entire premise of all religions. To expect God to only allow "good" things would remove the one precious gift we all have. Free will to choose our direction in life. Being forced into holy abidance is not giving your heart to God. Then there's the fact that sometimes, "stuff happens". These events aren't anyone's fault, including God's. Its the Ying/Yang of life no matter what religion you susbscribe too. These things do not need explanations or reasonings...it just is. I do not think its fair to lay ALL the bad in the world at God's feet, especially the bad that falls under the category "stuff happens". as usual...JMO. I also do not care for the way that Jameka is using religion in the game, but eh....there's that free choice thing again...
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 5:25 am
Mummy...guess that is just perspective. Where I live 200K will buy you 2 very nice houses in suburbia with a good chunk of money left over. As for the difference between J/A and Kaysar? Kaysar went off on his own and did his prayers, quietly, to himself (okay, in front of the cameras, but you can't avoid those outside of the WC). A/J, especially J, have used her "religion" as a tool to her game. I would also note that faith/spirituality and religion are two very different things. Religion is man made, rules and "how" things are done. Spirituality/faith is what dwells within you. You can have one without the other. Many people, I suspect Dick included, have faith/spiritutality, but they don't feel the need to attend a service with others, quote, or spew their beliefs and banter about. It is personal, lives within, and guides us within. Many of us see religion as very hypocritical, judgemental, and crass these days. Pointing fingers telling certain people they are sinners, etc. One of my favorites is the song "Alas" from Godspell...really makes you think about religion and what it's leaders are teaching their minions.
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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 6:06 am
quote:Kearie... the verse is 1 Timothy 6:10 and it says "For the love of money is the root of all KINDS of evil, ...." it is often misquoted,
Askme...there are multiple versions of the Bible. If you use the traditional King James version, the quote is exactly: 10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. The Contemporary English version is much more general: 10The love of money causes all kinds of trouble. Some people want money so much that they have given up their faith and caused themselves a lot of pain. There are major religious battles about these issues, which some find ridiculous, and others find extremely important. Sometimes, even when the gist of the meaning seems clear in all versions, a slight difference can lead to different long range philosophical points in serious religious debates concerning other related matters.
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Mssas
Member
08-04-2006
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:07 am
It has no place in this game. If you are spiritual and go by the bible then that's great. But don't bring it into the game because in my opinion you knew what you were getting into when you agreed to play the game. Don't use it against someone in the game because it will backfire. Anything goes in this game. JMHO
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:12 am
If anything goes in this game, then so does religion. Ya know? If someone feels they can draw some strength or even strategy from it, more power to that person. I wouldn't bring it to the table myself, but I don't hold it against someone who does. We're all just trying to make our way.
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Mssas
Member
08-04-2006
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:26 am
That's exactly what I said. If you want to use it go ahead. But on the other hand don't fault someone that uses it against you. I wouldn't bring it in my game because I think more of my religion to not let it be a part of my game. For myself yes, but privately not openly.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:28 am
Sorry, I took the "it has no place in this game" literally.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 7:46 am
Where I live 200K will buy you 2 very nice houses in suburbia with a good chunk of money left over. Celticlass - Where do you live???!?!? 2 houses for 200K???? Wow! You can't buy more than a shack here for 200K I'd still love 200K (and I'd have more because I'm not religious and my spirituality is basically limited to loving Mother Nature). We couldn't retire or anything but it would help us afford a house we would love and put our kids through college.
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:11 am
I live in a suburb of Syracuse. Excellent schools, low crime...but we do get lots and lots of snow! When I watch house flipping shows in California I am astounded at how much real estate costs there. Needless to say, I won't be heading west any time soon, or ever!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:35 am
Let's sum up what people have said Jameka has done wrong with respect to religion on the show. I'm not making judgements. I'm just writing them out. a) Spoke and prayed openly on the show and talked about being a Christian. b) Prayed for personal strength. c) Expressed her opinion that God favors Christians because they are "good people". d) Used bad language and used bad language referring to another HG's mother. e) Prayed to God to help her win so that she can in turn help her family and others and thinks that God cares about BB. Have I missed anything? So now my analysis and judgement. I don't see anything at all wrong with (a) or (b). With respect to (c), don't many Christians feel that the only way to Heaven and eternal life is their belief in Christ? What could be more favorable than getting to Heaven? With respect to (d), well that's not nice but I'm sure she isn't the first to do it and Christians aren't supposed to be perfect anyway. She does feel bad about it and I thought that was enough. With respect to (e), many Christians believe that God plays a role in their day to day life. BB would be no different. It's not like you can leave God at the door. Let's suppose there is a farmer who is experiencing a severe drought. His crops are in jeopardy and he prays to God for rain. I think most people would find that kind of prayer acceptable. However, if we step back and look at it we see that while things may be miserable for the farmer if it doesn't rain, he and his family will be poorer but still survive. And no one will starve. How are his prayers any different?
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:50 am
I'm not sure the farmer analogy is fair. I've never faced financial ruin due to drought, but when my DH was on strike for 2 years I did face foreclosure and homelessness for my family, which included 3 young children. I prayed a lot during that time....no way would I equate that with Amber's prayer to win Veto....
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:56 am
What is Jameka suppose to do, check her religion at the front door for the summer <57>? Obviously religion is a major part of Jameka's life and if she tried to ignore it for the sake of this game than she wouldn't be true to herself. Yes, Jameka's beliefs may be strange to you all, but it is still her beliefs, like it or not. She only discusses her religion openly to those hgs who asks her about it. She doesn’t impose her religious beliefs on anyone in the house. I have never once seen Jameka pray openly in front of a group of people. She always goes off by herself when she prays. It is BB who follows her around and turns up the sound with hopes that they can get a sound bite of her prayers than use them to make fun of her. Furthermore, I don’t get the impression from Jameka that she believes she’s better than the other hgs or have a sense of entitlement because of her religious beliefs. If anything she displays a level of self-awareness in the game and she questions her actions and motives all the time. Jameka uses her religion as a source of personal encouragement and as a guide to do what she believes is right in the game. ETA: Sorry mods, I won't do that again.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:59 am
Petitionary prayer has a long history in Christian thought and theology (praying for good to come to oneself). Jameka is not unusual in that. It acknowledges that God is present in ALL of our lives, in every event, and asks God to intervene to provide positive things for us. Yet it's also acknowledged that sometimes God does not provide what we 'ask for'; because it is not in our best interest. Jameka also seems to acknowledge that as well. While I don't believe that way myself, I see no problem in Jameka's fully living her faith as she sees it - as part and parcel of every aspect of her life, including her time and behavior and participation in BB. As for her swearing etc, it seems quite clear to me that Jesus did not condemn those who faltered, so much as he condemned those who found themselves righteous. That message permeates the New Testament and his teachings. Paul's writings also confirms that it is not our imperfections that matter so much as that we see that we are imperfect, and that grace covers us in spite of them.
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Amykat
Member
07-24-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 10:21 am
Jimmer, I truly enjoy your insight! His prayers are not any different! We who pray usually are asking God for something, whether it's for strength, wisdom, rain, better finances, etc. We just have to remember the answer will be, at times, 'NO'. Sometimes it's no because we don't need what we think we need, and sometimes it's no because He wants us to learn to rely on Him for everything! I agree with your take on it all. Very well put! After reading all the boards, especially the ones concerning religion, there is no way I would ever go on BB. Y'all would be havin' a field day with me! LOL!
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Amykat
Member
07-24-2005
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 10:49 am
I forgot to hit post and I now see more posts! ITA Karuuna and Chere. As far as the verse For the love of money is the root of all KINDS of evil, ...." , The verse before and after puts verse 10 into context and one needs to remember to whom Paul was speaking-leaders who had become corrupt due to greed: 1 Timothy 6:9-11 (English Standard Version) Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a division of Good News Publishers. 9But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs. 11But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. I think Paul meant that the desire for riches would be a road filled with a series of pitfalls and traps meant to ensnare us, bringing us down in our walk with Christ. Does this mean we should not pursue money? If it is an obsession, no, we should not give in to it. As St. John Chrysostom said, "Riches are not forbidden, but the price of them is." It's the pursuit that'll get us!
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Izzysmydog
Member
08-13-2007
| Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 11:14 am
I've been reading some of the postings on "Live Feed"( don't have them myself, on dialup so wouldn't work right) and am troubled by what they were saying on the hammock last night. It seems that Amber especially feels she is having visions from God in her dreams that she is going to win the Veto and HOH next.. That God is telling her in her dreams that this is what will happen. This troubles me in that she feels that she is so special that God is giving here "devine visions" of what will happen.. Why does she feel she is so special that she should be getting these.. I also had a problem when she was listening to music on the headphones and "talking" to God. Doesn't he deserve more respect than to have music playing in her head while she is praying to him to help her in the game. The difference between Kaysar doing his daily prayers and the type of prayers that Jameka and Amber are doing is that his prayers were for his salvation after his death and theirs is for the to get money in this life.. Theirs is definitely for greed.. If they were praying for God to protect their friends and relations while they were in the game, that would be different...
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