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Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
Kep: the only thing I saw Jen directly say to Dick during the butter comp was "don't be the scraper." She was trying to explain but he kept talking over her saying "if you don't want me to touch you..." The rest was to Kail or while she was in the DR. She did tell the DR that she did not want "some old man" whiping her body off.

Being that Dick is old enough to be her father, I can understand why she wasn't comfortable with it. I agree that her comment was rude and I believe it could have been handled differently. I am not trying to gloss it over. I just don't see it as a valid excuse for hating her and treating her the way that he does, that's all. JMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW3EOxu9yR0

Ace232521
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09-09-2004

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ace232521 a private message Print Post    
People actually "crave" to be on this show. What a sad world, huh? And, I watch it. Even sadder. I don't think they are any more special, though, if they want it or crave it more. It reeks a little of obsession to me.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
Onlyhuman...the "truce" was ED's idea...done to benifit him at the time.

Why did Jen go along with it???? Because what is she gonna do...say no ED I will not have a truce...keep on saying all those vile things to me????

Any reasonable person would have accepted the truce....for no other reason than to not be screamed at repeatedly.

It had NOTHING to do with Jen putting things aside for the GAME.

Shelby6100
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08-02-2007

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shelby6100 a private message Print Post    
I think it's natural for a young girl not to feel comfortable with a 44 year old man putting his hands on her. I realize it's a game, but I can't fault Jen for feeling this way.

Most men Dick's age would understand this and not put themselves in that position.

Ohiomobprincess
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11-07-2003

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ohiomobprincess a private message Print Post    
I would have felt the same way. No way would I want ANY strange man's hands all over me, especially the way Dick looks at Jessica and Jen. UGH.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
Boberg, you're right, it was ED's idea, but you didn't see Jen sitting there saying I absolutely cannot accept your non-apology for the way you have treated me. You didn't see her questioning him about why he was suddenly being nice to her. She knew it was for the game, and she was willing to go along with it to the extent that she agreed with Dani and Dick to vote out Eric.

She never made an alliance with Dick, just with Dani, which is good for her, but she DID sit around with them, discussing strategy and acting like she was on their side. What are the others supposed to do? Are they supposed to know that she didn't mean any of it and come to her defense? Or are they supposed to do what Jen did, which is suck up and deal for the purposes of the game?

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
They weren't touching in an overt sexual way it was for a competition. The age of a person shouldn't come into play. I thought it was rude of Jen but I realize people see things differently.

If Dick were to have said he didn't want someone touching him that wouldn't have been cool either. Jen made an enemy right then and there.

Sidecar
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07-23-2007

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sidecar a private message Print Post    
Jen says that BB said it was OK to destroy cigs. However, she doesnt say BB didnt say whether or not they would replace them. She was just pissed that they did. Also, knowing all this implies that she knew there was the possiblity of a smoker in the house. She could have at least attempted to make an agreement with the smokers on Day One, but instead started off with "I Hate Smokers" and the rest.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
What if Dick had said, "I don't want some guy touching my body!!!". A lot of people would have been pretty unhappy with him and probably accused him of homophobia.

Yet people think it's okay for Jen to say, "I don't want some old man wiping my body!"? It's pretty sad the way today's society thinks about older people.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, as usual you are right! :-)

Vee
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02-23-2004

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vee a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I have no idea how old you are...let's say 45. How would you like it if a 67-year-old woman who smokes were rubbing you down? Just wondering. LOL!

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
45 rotflmao!!!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL Vee. I think I'd survive.

Would you prefer that I hurt her feelings? People don't turn into horrible creatures, just because they are older.

Vee
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02-23-2004

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vee a private message Print Post    
I think people get to clearly state what their preferences are. Even being diplomatic does not always mean that people's feelings won't be hurt. I agree that Jen could've used more tact, but does her lack of tact excuse the filth that has spewed from Evel Dick's mouth ever since?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
does [Jen's] lack of tact excuse the filth that has spewed from Evel Dick's mouth ever since?

I suspect that Dick was hurt by what Jen said. However, she does not remotely deserve what Dick has done or said to her.

I just think it is a shame that people seem to have such negative feelings about older people. We will all get old one day (if we are lucky enough to live that long).

As far as the comment that he is old enough to be her father, the point is that he is not her father.

It's not just a matter of stating a preference. What if Zach had said he wasn't going to wipe Jameka down without giving a specific reason? Jameka was very upset when she thought that Zach was offended at touching her. I can't imagine what people would say if Zach had made a similar comment about Jameka as Jen made about Dick. It would be horrible.

Why is it okay to make negative comments about older people?

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
It's not ok Jimmer...which is what I believe your point is!

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
She has watched other seasons of BB and so far except last year that I can think of there was at least one older person. When you apply and sign a contract to come on a show with people you don't know you expect there might be someone in the cast who you wouldn't particularly want to touch you. But with that said it is the game, and yes you have a choice to either go with the flow or make the kind of comment she made. She chose to make the comment and therefore she has to pay the piper. She created an enemy from day one. He used her, but too bad so sad.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i can't help but think that an older person might have more experience with rubbing and be able to rub someone the right way.

Vee
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02-23-2004

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vee a private message Print Post    
No, if this discussion is about older people being disgusting, I am not saying that nor do I believe it. (My earlier comparison about Jimmer and an older woman was in hopes that he might feel some sense of empathy for Jen. ) Older people are NOT disgusting, but certain people (including all age groups) behave in disgusting, inappropriate ways and that includes ED, which is just my opinion, of course. (We'll send him to your house, Cnd, when he is all finished with BB8. )

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i love ED, Vee. and, i'm older than he is. LOL send him on over!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think it is about the suggestion that older people are disgusting. There are people defending Jen for not wanting Dick to touch her simply because he is 44.

There are plenty of reasons why Jen may not have wanted Dick to touch her, but being 44 isn't a good one (IMO).

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
lol cnd!

Sammy
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08-21-2007

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammy a private message Print Post    
finally am able to post this one thing about the other night when dick blew smoke at Jen....I am a smoker and do in all my power not to blow it at someone ---- especially if they are eating...if she angered her---I'm sure dick could have come up with something else to totally get his point across...
again being a smoker...I agree with Jen in destroying his cigs....don't care---there are laws that cover second hand smoke and I'm sure there a lawyers out there willing to pursue it....
If it wasn't a big no-no to dump ice tea on Jen and nothing done about it in penality land....fair game...give the man a patch and a book on manners.....


Marameko
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07-15-2002

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Yea Sammy, some one who "gets " it and is a smoker !!! Well, well,well.

Milosmom
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06-10-2006

Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Milosmom a private message Print Post    
I will send him over after I am done with him CND!