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Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
Due to the fact that many of the threads say that Jen lied about Nick's flirtation with her (before the feeds even started), I wanted to start a thread about that subject.

PLEASE watch a conversation they had in the SR the first time the issue came up. Then let's put "Jen's lies" statements to rest and give Jen some props for being as positive a contestant as humanly possible; especially considering the negative situation this "pseudo" love triangle put her in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xa_VjXohF4

Naja
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06-28-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I don't think anybody denies Nick flirts. The problem is that apparently Nick kissed Jen's hand at one point, and Jen misrepresented it in front of the other HG's as another type of romantic kiss.

Bbnut
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06-12-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbnut a private message Print Post    
Right Naja...and then she told the houseguests he tried to kiss her and then Joe went and told Nick and Nick confronted her in front of the other houseguests and she denied she said that.

Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
From what she has said, she put her hand up when Nick tried to kiss her and THAT'S WHY he kissed her hand.

So...let's say it was just her hand that he kissed. Does Nick's admission that he was flirting with her (laying in a bed next to her), and that there was a kiss, spark any images of romanticism?

I guess I don't understand how anyone could watch their conversation and not see that Nick was the one downplaying things in front of Daniele so as not to spoil his next hope of a love interest after Jen shot him down.

Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
PS to Naja...You know I love and appreciate you! We just have differing opinions when it comes to Jen.

Diacritical
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08-14-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Diacritical a private message Print Post    
What's funny about the controversy is that Nick never denied what Jen said, but both Nick and Jen denied what Joe said she said. The one who started it all and told the lie was Joe.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
What is painful in that clip in the storage room is that Jen seems incapable (or unwilling) to read between the lines.. no matter what convos they had at the beginning it was clear he moved on and her begging for him to have long talks with her and such is sort of sad.

I think she's not used to not getting what she wants.

Sort of like the Daniele having her back thing.. well, gosh, Jen changed the parameters of the deal, said she could only do that if Dick left, so she called the deal off but then thought she could hold Dani to the original deal.

Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
I do agree with you Seamonkey. I just try to remember that Jen is young. She will learn from experience just like the rest of us :-)

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey - Great post. Those were my exact thoughts when Jen said that to Daniele as she was leaving.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure if that is the youtube of the Convo I watched (and I dont have time to watch it now!) but I remember clearly that Nick did not emphatically deny trying to kiss Jen.

I thought he seemed quite a bit less worked up about it when he was in private with Jen in the storage room

When she stated that he was trying to kiss her face and she put up her hand He agreed. But reiterated that he did NOT try to kiss her (like what was being spread around the house)

As someone who watches bodylanguage as a true determinent of what really happened- I thought Nick seemed like he was not the one who was entirely truthful when dealing with Dani and the group when he told his version of the SR convo.

what I recall most clearly is that Jen almost seemed to be pleading for recognition as a person and begged for hugs at least twice.

i truly felt she was hoping that Nick would stand up to Dick for her if she could get back onto his good side

Hotfudge
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07-03-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hotfudge a private message Print Post    
If Nick kissed her wouldn't BB have shown us that on one of the many camera angles?

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
She lied, but who cares? She is gone now and we will never know if she dreamed it or she dreamed it...it's okay to lie it's part of the game. I think she hoped he would be the boyfriend and when he called her on it she decided to take it out on Dani. All of the scheming backfired on her and now she is out of the house. Safe from all harm.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Not necessarily. There is so much action and so many people in the house in the early part of the game, they miss a lot.

Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cousin_jake a private message Print Post    
Nick was obviously "cast" by CBS as a flirt. It was mentioned in his pre-show videos and we all know that that's what they want out of the HGs. (What they cast them for). The first day the feeds went live, (about day 4 in the house?) many of us heard him say that he told the "Doctor" (what he was calling the DR at the time) that he just couldn't do it anymore. He didn't say why he couldn't do it but he did say that. I personally never saw him flirt with anyone other than Dani on the feeds, Jen included. (OK, maybe Joe a bit. LOL) Jen certainly held onto whatever flirting Nick did with her in the first few days for the rest of her time in the house. From reading the transcript of an interview that she did with Julie, she still thinks that she and Nick will have some kind of "friendship" post game. Maybe so, but I don't see it.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I agree Seamonkey.

Lucymac
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07-06-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lucymac a private message Print Post    
Well this was brought up on Housecalls today and Jen said if they didn't believe her the show could look it up on the tapes and said when it occurred. I can't remember now when she said it happened but that would be in her visit to Housecalls today.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
She lied, but who cares?


she didn't lie. Joe lied. Who cares? hmmmm there sure are lots of respectful TVCHers here discussing it and other things in multiple threads.

hope this isnt being taken as Dismissive, it isnt meant to be, but we all have our opinions based on what we see and the biases we have.

Ch3j0r
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07-21-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ch3j0r a private message Print Post    
I also don't think Jen is prone to scheming. At least not in the context you're proposing Earthmo :-)

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
she didn't lie. Joe lied. Who cares? hmmmm there sure are lots of respectful TVCHers here discussing it and other things in multiple threads.

hope this isnt being taken as Dismissive, it isnt meant to be, but we all have our opinions based on what we see and the biases we have.


I completely agree, Sunshyne. She didn't lie. Just because she isn't there doesn't make a diff. She didn't lie. Nick knew he flirted with her and she put her hand up to deflect the kiss. Sadly, her weakness in the game was Nick. Had she put him up when Dick was up, Dick would have gotten booted and it would have been a different game for everyone, including Daniele.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I think Sea makes a good point about Jen being incapable of reading between the lines. Jen didn't seem to be able to read people at all which I think was the main reason people got so irritated at her. We (humans in general) aren't used to having to verbally express everything for it to be understood, we rely on other factors - our expressions, pauses, body language - to convey what we mean without having to spell everything out. I don't think Jen could do that at all, it wasn't that she wasn't good at it, it's that she was incapable of it. And the rest just didn't know how to deal with that in normal situations and particularly not on tv.

I'm sure Nick flirted, but she just couldn't seem to put that in a proper context.

I honestly feel there was something emotionally a bit different with Jen. I know there's a spectrum of how people interact with others but she fell very much outside of that. I know some were speculating that Zach had Asperger's because he was a little socially outside of the norm, but he was on the bell curve. Jen's not. Or so it seems to me.

Shopstomuch
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07-09-2007

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 6:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shopstomuch a private message Print Post    
I agree Sea... Jen failed completely to understand innocent flirting. Reading body language ... then how do you explain away most of Jen's blank looks? I just don't get it. The girl cannot make personal connections. She could not even understand just innocent fun flirting between two young people. She still said just recently in the house that her and Nick would have some type of encounter outside the house. The girl really is missing some component. She even admitted herself she doesn't have the ability to feel empathy and that alone speaks volumes to me.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 7:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I may be getting old but I'm not that far gone. Joe didn't lie. Joe went and got Nick up and told him what Jen was telling Jameka and Amber in the Kitchen. She was telling them that Nick kissed her. When he confronted her she kept saying "whatever"..her usual when she couldn't come up with a good excuse when she did something wrong.

Diacritical
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08-14-2005

Friday, August 24, 2007 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Diacritical a private message Print Post    
Jen told Nick exactly what she really said -- and Nick had no problem with it. They both had a problem with the lie Joe was spreading -- that Jen had said that Nick tried to kiss her on the mouth. She did not say that -- but Joe's job was to spread rumors and try to drive wedges between people, and he was doing a fine job.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
On House Calls Jen was asked why she lied about Nick kissing her. She answered, "I don't know if they found the footage in the bed, but he did. Carol was in bed with us before the live feeds started".