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Snackpackid
Member
08-19-2005
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 11:24 am
What a well-written post Eeyoreslament. And I agree with many of the points you made. I think Will has done too good of a job convincing everyone he was all circuitry and wires underneath. Surprise! He's human!
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 11:46 am
Westtexasn, look at it this way. Will, like everyone else in the house is worn out with the bordom, the plotting, the manipulation, the being "on game" every minute. We excuse a lot of the other players weak moments by using the pressure of the house. But people seem to see Will as the iron man who is not supposed to have weak moments. Sorry, he is only human. And I think his psycho talk was meant tongue in cheek. I think he would be surprised to know that some people have taken it seriously. I didn't, not for a moment. For those who think he really has a romantic interest in Janie, his saying she was ruining his life could be meant as a complement. It means that she has shaken up his safe, perfect, little world. Or it could simply mean that he is afraid his actions with her is going to interfere with his relationship with Erin. I doubt if he really blames her, he knows he started the whole thing. He has said so several times. It is more just a way of speaking. I think him holding Janie at arm's length serves two purposes. He is in a relationship and he would be a real jerk to start a new one on national TV before breaking it off with Erin. Personally, I think it is a sign of respect for both women. He is using the showmance as a game play, but he does not really want to hurt either woman. And he is also protecting Janie believe it or not. He is not letting her do something she would be ashamed of or humiliated by when the game is over, especially if he has no romantic interest in him. If there is something there, there is plenty of time after the game is over to explore it, if not, she can at least be happy knowing it never went any futher than harmless flirting. Personally, I just do not see Will and Janie together. I think they enjoy each other's company, and they both enjoy flirting, but I do not believe either one is seriously "in love." So, Westtexan, I think you can safely jump back on will's bandwagon. He is a brilliant gameplayer and a nice guy. Don't take all the BS seriously.
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2addicted
Member
07-17-2006
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:17 pm
Great post Allie-- I agree with almost all that you said. I'm one of the few who heard that psycho comment as teasing. I also believe Will hates having his carefully constructed world threatened in any way. I think he's surprised by his attraction to Janie. I agree that Will and Janie probably don't have a serious future together. Their backgrounds (and goals) are so different. I do think there's a good chance that they will take their hot flirting "to the next level" after the show. It's difficult to put out a fire like that once you get it started.
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Caycaye
Member
09-14-2001
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:21 pm
I totally agree that OF COURSE Janie & Will are not IN LOVE!!!!! But I TOTALLY disagree with those that say they would NEVER hook up on the "outside"!!! Because I DO think they have TONS in common...and they DEFINITELY like each other on a "good friend" basis.... So what better foundation for a romance AFTER the show if they don't make it with their previous relationships??? I think they are VERY compatible for a LONG TERM romance....but they have only JUST gotten to KNOW one another briefly....A "Love relationship" will take TIME, luck and work.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:40 pm
Oh, I think they could have something out of the house if they were not in other relationships. But that makes a complication. If they could just go right into a relationship, it might work, but by the time all the entanglements are worked out, the spark will have cooled. And I think Will really is committed to Erin. I hope she did not drop him because of a silly flirtation on a game show.
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Marilynla
Member
07-23-2006
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 2:46 pm
Will would be a big fool if he is the deciding vote and he doesn't keep Janelle. She would take him to final 2 and so would Boogie. If Erica stays she will NOT take Will and Will would not take her. If Erica was smart she would evict Will if she wins veto and then she has a chance with Janelle and Boogie. We will see if Will is really the mastermind of this game. Its in his best interest to keep Janelle and then sit back and win. Or let Janelle win which would make me much happier. Against Boogie he would win. Against Erica he would win, but she won't take him unless Boogie was gone and he won't be. If Will is gone Erica can convice Janelle to take her to final 2. I wish they would hurry up and play that veto so we will just know already. My brain hurts.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 2:57 pm
off the top of my head here are wills comp records hoh 0-21 pov 0-10
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 2:59 pm
Oh, there is no doubt if either of the guys win the POV they will take Janie. They have said they would. Boogie is ready for her to be gone. They hope they might be able to beat Janie in the three part contest and if they do not she will still take Will and they still have hopes she will split the money. Erika might like to evict Will, but if she did, she would make Boogie angry and she would make Janie angry also. And why would she keep Janie? Why keep a good competitor who will not take her to the F2 is she wins. Erika still hopes if Boogie wins he will take her over Will.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:02 pm
I feel no sympathy for Erica or Janelle. They are big girls. They are dealing with an industry which is known for being nasty and mean. They are on a TV show that they know is intended solely to make money through commercials. They know about earlier shows where in the house romances have started and immediately fell apart once they pair wer eback in reality. Hell, Mike even proposed to a woman in his year. They are dealing with and, in fact, have protected men with their votes who have said from the very beginning they are lying about everything they say, will use anyone they need to in any way they need to and will turn their back on anyone to win this. I believe Will and Mike have made it very clear from the beginning what their attitude is and how they would deal with each and every HG. I am not sure anyone in this game has been more honest about their intentions and strategy than Will and Mike, excpet perhaps Dani. If Erica and Janelle are so emotionally desparate and needy and naive as to actually have feelings for either of these guys, much less become emotionally and romantically attached, they have only themselves to blame and any pain they feel when this is over they will have inflicted on themselves.
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Marilynla
Member
07-23-2006
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:03 pm
I don't see how she would make Janie angry if she keeps her. I think that would give her a chance of going with Boogie or Janie to finals. She has NO chance of going with Will.
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:09 pm
If Erica and Janelle are so emotionally desparate and needy and naive as to actually have feelings for either of these guys, much less become emotionally and romantically attached, they have only themselves to blame and any pain they feel when this is over they will have inflicted on themselves. Ditto for Mike and Will for their both feeling "bad" about playing the girls or for Will worrying about how it will look to Erin. They are both big boys and have only themselves to blame for any pain they feel they have inflicted on others. All actions have consequences.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:23 pm
That's so true, Jeanne. They'll all have to face the consequences when they get out. Of course, having a half million dollars might help take the sting out of it. After watching Clio's recording of that "fight" the other night, all I could think was that it was a lot of nothing. A girl getting peevish because she didn't get whatever it was she wanted, and a guy quietly plotting his next move and then overacting to the camera about the girl being crazy. He wasn't just saying that for the internet viewers. He was giving the producers something for the show, just like the time he flirted with the camera. It'll be very interesting to see if the crew was able to hear what they were whispering and can put up subtitles on the next episode. There isn't a thing Will does in that house that isn't premeditated. I don't believe for one second that he has truly fallen for Janelle. We saw how Will behaves when he's truly smitten on season 2. After listening to how he instructs Boogie on exactly what to do with Erika (how many kisses, etc.) you'd have to know that he approaches Janelle the same way. Every spontaneous smooch on the cheek, every look, every gesture is all perfectly calculated. This is part of what makes him the ultimate player in this game. As for Janelle, I get the feeling Will just serves as the one person she can tolerate, as well as a potential ego boost. I don't think she's falling for him, but she'd really like to make him fall for her.
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:31 pm
I don't think she's falling for him, but she'd really like to make him fall for her. LOL!!! So true ..
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:36 pm
It's a TV show and a game. All of the contestants have watched prior seasons that included various showmances. Some of the current contestants actively participated in the showmances! They all participated in prior seasons and are thoroughly experienced players. The contestants have all lied at certain points of the game and they all know that the others have lied at certain points of the game. There is nothing (or should be nothing) naïve about them. Given all of the above, it is hard to see how they could accept anything said to them at this point without some healthy skepticism. It is hard for me to understand how they could be genuinely or permanently hurt at this point regardless of the outcome. So I think it is all about who is playing the game the best, who is having the most fun and who is providing the most entertainment. My answer to that one is Will and Janelle. So for me the pendulum hasn't swung at all.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:44 pm
Marilyn, you are right. What was I thinking? I am sure Janie would forgive her for saving her. LOL
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Dzzyedge
Member
08-22-2006
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:47 pm
Here's my take on all of this: Will had everything planned out ( as much as anyone could plan) before he went into the game. If it wasn't Janelle, it would have been someone else. Boogie came into the house not knowing for sure if Erika was going to get in, or himself for that matter.....but I do believe that Will told BB that he wasn't going to go in unless there was a guarentee that boogie got in also. So, once Will was choosen, boogieknew he was in. Now....as far as the 'romancing' of janelle. There's a difference between flirting and getting ahead in the game, and what he ended up doing. Yes, he's playing a game, but he has taken it too far. He's even starting to worry about it. I honestly believe, that his remark about "How the press and the fans are seeing this " is because they ASKED him in the DR how he thought it was all playing out, He'd never had any conversations with boogie about that before. He was always saying "I'm producing a good show", and other such lighthearted comments. Whether you agree or disagree, there ARE a lot of upset people. They ARE taking his 'rant' about janelle on the feeds seriously, and don't think it was nice. His myspace person even posted a response on his page, trying to address all the negative feedback. Is this why he was asked in the DR? (if he was) Janelle....I hope she's really playing Will as much as he is playing her. I do believe she is, and I base that on some of her remarks in the DR. I could be wrong. We could all be wrong about everything!
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 3:48 pm
Good post Jimmer.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 4:02 pm
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 4:03 pm
Last time she was booted 3rd place ...
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 4:03 pm
It is hard for me to understand how they could be genuinely or permanently hurt at this point regardless of the outcome Janelle had a bad time immediately after the show, agoraphobia and months of drinking, sometimes alone. She seems more vunerable this season and Kaysar and her had talked about how hard it was. This will be very hard for her if Will does Doublecross her and she's booted AGAIN. just my opinion.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 4:05 pm
typo sorry Jeanne you are correct LOL I'm really tired today. I should get offline and do some housework LOL
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 4:06 pm
It's Saturday Sunshyne. Forget the housework! LOL Have a rest day.
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Westtexan
Member
07-16-2004
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 4:08 pm
OK, you guys are convincing. I'm beginning to swing back. I just needed you hard core Will lovers to talk me back and remind me of a few things: this is a harsh game and the girls should know it by now and be on guard, Will is not responsible for what Boogie does, Janelle is one tough cookie and not at risk of getting hurt by Will--she's just having fun, Will is frustrated because he does not have complete control over Janie and the mysterious female mind--thus the rant, Will is the most entertaining and amazing player and that is why I have to jump back on the bandwagon.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 4:17 pm
I guess last year she was just upset at losing and the general negative experience of playing the game with people in the Friendship, because she wasn't personally betrayed by anyone (James betrayed them all, if you accept the argument that he was sincere in his comments to the Friendship and not just playing them). Even so Sunshyne, hopefully Janelle learned from that experience and approached the game differently this year.
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 4:23 pm
Will is not responsible for what Boogie does, Yes he is. He's got as much control over Boogie as he does over everyone else. Do you all see how they all mimick him? He talks about the wonders of Metamucil, now they're all drinking it. He was humming "Sunshine Day" all day yesterday and now they are too. I want the man to run for president or something.
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