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Saggkl
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07-17-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saggkl a private message Print Post    
Still think he is great. I really think that he and Janelle will try to have a relationship after the show. I wish them all the luck in the world if they do. They have a lot going for them as a couple. I do think what was done to Erika was not very nice. I can't help but wonder why she doesn't see what is going on. At the least that it is a mini play for the audience. I hate that she decided to believe it. I don't think Dr D is at this point leading Janelle on. HE was at the beginning and I think maybe he got caught in his own web.

Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cousin_jake a private message Print Post    
Me too Clio! I may be in the minority, but I think Will has real feelings for Janelle and I think he has been respectful of her (and Erin) and has not taken advantage of Janelle when we know of at least two nights that he could have. I think he has hidden his true adgenda from Boogie so as not to freak him out. I think that for quite a while he has wanted to be final 2 with Janelle and has been working toward that goal. If he and Boogie make final 3 with Janelle I truly believe that he's hoping Janie wins the final HOH. I know, I know, call me naive but that's the way I see it.

Redstar
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07-08-2005

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redstar a private message Print Post    
I don't like Will in a lot of ways, but I have to admit that if he wins the all-stars, then he deserves to be as arrogant as he wants to be... at least about BB.

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
Now I'm NOT sure he wants to be in the final two with her .......... but I don't think he is either. The truth lies in those whispers we can't here.

Mssas
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08-04-2006

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mssas a private message Print Post    
I think at this point in the game they all will do just about anything to make it to the final 2.

Newbutcrazed
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07-16-2006

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Newbutcrazed a private message Print Post    
Maybe it will be different after the show and see what Will feels about jani. I absolutely believe his relationship with Erin is over. If not now,very soon. I couldlnt get those images of him and Jani out of my head. and could never go to those reality parties they love without thinking if it was real. Plus forever, public will link him with Jani..shes got millions, who needs him.. good news, boogie still available.

Beebee
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08-20-2005

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beebee a private message Print Post    
Ok - Well, Clio did it to me again..I'm just about ready to board the Dr. Will love train again...(see I'm sorta like Jani on this one..lol..we purchased our tickets before the game)

Newbutcrazed
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07-16-2006

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Newbutcrazed a private message Print Post    
I thought i read an interview with Will before the show, where he trashed Bunky and others who said they were giving the money to charity.and he said if he won, he didnt need it, and would really give it all to charity. Anyone else read it, or was i up drinking with the hamsters.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
will is hilarious and the best bb player ever. he is the only one who realizes that this a show and for fun. boogie, his brother and even shannon have said will is quiet and reserved in the real world.

Saggkl
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07-17-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saggkl a private message Print Post    
I think the only thing that might cause them trouble later on is the rant he did for the camera, calling Janelle a Psycho. He was really mad but it is out there and he can’t take it back. If Janelle gets her feeling hurt easily she might be very upset by that.

Saggkl
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07-17-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saggkl a private message Print Post    
Clio did you see the Grapefruit and apple explanation last night?

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
Yep!
Saw it!
Capped it!
Uploaded it!
Loved it!!!

they should serve grapefruit and apples at their ....... you know.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Let me ask you because I think my mind is too foggy at the moment (my cappuccino is not helping)... but did Will ever win a competition on this BB, I don't recall any so far, and was he even nominated once, I don't recall this either.
However, he is the puppet master and masterminded most of the evictions.
Could this earn him the win??? I don't know, but I agree that playing with someone else's emotions is going too far...
His rant against Janelle was more because he got his match and doesn't know how to deal with it... and the fact that Janelle keeps smiling is forcing him to also have that constant 'smirk' on his face... like "I'm so likeable and do you like me too"...
I prefer to watch Will when he's serious and determined (like when keeping Erika from opening the door to Daniele) to avoid an embarrassing confrontation or to make sure things go as he planned... That's the puppet master, allright, but I don't like his phony talks to the internet camera and his constant vanity for his hair free body...

Westtexan
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07-16-2004

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Westtexan a private message Print Post    
Spunky, Will was nominated once at the very beginning with CG. CG won POV and Jase was put up and voted out unanimously. Will didn't get a single vote against him. Wow!

BTW, I agree with everything else you said, Spunky.

I'm still waiting on you guys to convince me to jump back on the Will bandwagon....I still see the bandwagon, haven't turned my back on it yet. I've taken a couple of steps forward and then a couple back.

I want to be in love with him again. I miss him. I'm waffling back and forth. If he tones down his arrogant rhetoric and doesn't go off on anymore Janelle psycho talk, I might take 2 more steps forward again. And if he jumped down Boogie's throat about his treatment of Erica, I will run and jump on the bandwagon.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
Will fan here. I think he's charming, brilliant and hilarious.

I'm not a fan of the kool-kid, frat boy, misogynistic leanings of his best buddy and I think Will is getting a little old for that.

That said, I would love to see Will & Janie in the F2 and I would really love it if Janie pulls off a win.

I actually think it's possible. Howie, of course, and maybe Marci would give her a vote. Dani has vowed to vote for the "best player." I believe she will. The problem is that it's debatable whether Janie or Will is the better player. Both came into this game with the odds stacked against them. Both have done an amazing job of staying in the game. Will is obviously the one in charge, manipulating and pulling strings, but Janie has kicked everybody's butt in the competitions, and also set up a scenario where she has a good chance of making it to F3.

I think Dani *might* vote for Janie and Dani will definitely influence James (he idolizes her). If Erika goes this week bc Janie wins POV she would probably vote for Will. If Erika goes this week bc Will votes her out, she would probably vote for Janie. CG is unpredictable, but I think he would pick the "Buxom Blonde Badass" over the "Evil Doctor."

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Oh yeah, thanks Westtexan...

I remember now that backdooring of Jase and I'm sure it was Will who got everyone convinced to do just that...

I admit that at very crucial times Will has helped Janelle... but the biggest help Janelle got was from Chicken George!

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
will doesn't want to win any comps. he never won any in season 2 and hasn't won any in all stars. to win one means he has to make a decision that at least 2 peple will hold against him. he lets others win comps, mind manipulates them into doing what he wants. he has done it for 2 seasons now. he deserves the money more this year because everyone knows what he does yet he still controls them. absolutely incredible.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
You're right Oregonguy. Will is amazing. But you almost have to handicap him to make this thing fair. He is so much smarter than all the other players (IMO the smartest (IQ not game) past players were Curtis, Roddy, Jun & maybe Jack) But Will is not only highly intelligent IQ-wise, he is also game-smart, and then to top it off, the most charming (IMO) player to ever step into the BB house.

Westtexan
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07-16-2004

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Westtexan a private message Print Post    
Remember Survivor 2 when Colby, who won tons of competitions, lost to Tina, who sweetly manipulated the voting out and alliances?? It's a toss up. Will vs Janelle in the final 2--folks like to vote for those who can manipulate as long as they don't tick them off too much. (Similar scenario with the first Survivor--competition winner against manipulative Richard Hatch.) But Danielle didn't win her season, so go figure.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Amen, 2! DH and I have to laugh every week when whoever is HOH refuses to nominate Will. He's the biggest threat in the house, but they just don't see it. Incredible!

Love Will, can't stand Boogie. Not crazy about Erika, either, but I don't think she deserves the way he's deceiving her. I think she's going to be hurt in the end.

No when it comes to Janelle, I think Dr. Will has met his match and it intrigues him!

Meme9
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07-30-2001

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meme9 a private message Print Post    
No pendulum swinging here. I enjoyed Will in bb2, and enjoy watching him in bb7. He is the Best at this GAME.

Erika and Janelle SHOULD know this is a game and love is not in the air. They are not 18-19 year olds, for goodness sakes. As much as some think it's cruel what the boys are doing...what about the girls and their behaviour...double standards.

The object of the game is to evicted other HG, get to F2, get the votes at the end. I think Will does this so easily, because he really understands what makes each of the other players tick.

Oh, one more thing, the banana bread issue....the way I see it, it's just a strategy play, nothing more. As a strategy it's allowed, others falling for it...LOL

Dr. Will is so goooooooood! Love it!

Klaw73
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08-21-2006

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Klaw73 a private message Print Post    
I loved Will and was surprised he wasn't one of AC to go back in the house. Then, I was glad the producers chose him. Now, he makes me feel a little sick.

Was Will really a producer's choice?!? I thought they all got in by AC.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Lest we forget, both of these women have had reality romances before. They are not impressionable teenagers. They are both strong, independent women who have been around on their own. I find it hard to believe that they are all that much "in love."

I think they are using the showmances to get to the end of the game. They are using the methods at hand, just as the men are doing. It has been a mutual beneficial situation.

Erika is not desperate because she wants a man or babies. She is desperate because she wants the money. And I don't blame her a bit. Of all of them, it would mean the most to her. It would give her a measure of security that would allow her to be independent without relying solely on what is probably not a very high paying job, no matter how glamourous it sounds. And she is desperate because she is so close but could still easily lose it all.

Janie may be attracted to Will, but I do not believe she is "in love." He began the flirtation when she was being harrassed by everyone, most especially her own alliance. Will was sweet, caring, and protective and she responded to it.

But I think right now, her concern is more how the game is going to end than how the showmance is going to end.

Janie is not stupid. She has seen how they work. She has seen them eliminate everyone in the house, including her own alliance. She is forced to trust them because she did not feel she could trust the others in the house after Howie left.

But it makes her very nervous. I think she becomes the flirtatious, wheedling, little girl Janie in an attempt to get reassurance that Will is not playing her like they have told her Boogie is playing Erika.

Just what else is she going to do? She has little choice at this point but to trust them and hope for the best. After what Erika did with Dani, she certainly is not going to trust her.

The interesting thing is that both women hold their fate in their own hands. Both are capable of winning the POV and the final HOH. They are at the point now where the men need them as much as they need the men.

Mush
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09-09-2002

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mush a private message Print Post    
Missed season 2, and was exited to see the "infamous" Dr. Will this year. I'm with WestTex in that I really enjoyed him until the last few weeks. The Janie thing is just too creepy for me.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
No pendulum swing here. I think Will Kirby is hands-down the BEST person to ever play this game, for many of the reasons already stated. He has managed to keep his sole, UPFRONT alliance intact, and masterminded majority of the evictions, as well has thrown competitions to others who he needed to still be in the game. He has carried the game for both he AND Boogie, and also tells OTHERS how to "act" for their benefit (and ultimately his).

While I have always enjoyed his "cleaner" game style (not taking anything personally, not doing a bunch of name-calling, etc), I might be a bit disappointed in his calling Janelle a psycho to nobody but the internet viewers. That moment reeked of a guy who is in DENIAL for his role in the situation at hand. THAT is not classic Will Kirby; I would have expected him to gloat more than be fearful that she is ruining his life. Will playing the victim was not something I am used to seeing, and I was a bit shocked that he switched from being the puppet-master to the victim in his own eyes.

That said, I think Janelle knows what's up. I think she knew that her sexuality could be a tool, and she's been using it. She then sees that Erika is being back-stabbed by CT when she's not around, and I'm sure her looking to "take things further" in the house may merely be a test of whether Will is BSing her. He blinked, and showed Janelle the truth: he's just not that into her. I'm sure with nothing interesting going on in that house, the flirting act gets really old and tiresome, and I think that is some of what we are seeing out of these two players.

Make no mistake, Janelle is a gorgeous woman in her little Miami Beach world, and she'll be JUST FINE after the show wraps and Will goes back to Erin. She'll get back into her modelling, and her sponsored parties and trips to Dubai, and Will will be a distant memory, and most likely a friend.

I hope Will wins this thing, with Boogie at his side. If only there were more shows that would feature Will Kirby.