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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 7 All-Stars ARCHIVES: Big Brother 7 All-Stars Part 3: Strategy Talk-questions, answers, thoughts..: Archive through July 29, 2006 users admin

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Donut
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07-31-2001

Friday, July 28, 2006 - 11:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Donut a private message Print Post    
I thought it would be good to have a thread for us to discuss strategy..since questions about strategy really dont fit into the Quick Questions area, and strategy talk goes too fast or unseen at chatters, and talks about someones individual strategy gets lost down the list... So hopefully this will help..

for example: things i would love to see discussed..

I would like to know why Will was pushing so hard for Janelle to nom Erika if she is with Boogie and he is supposedly supporting Boogie...

Also I was wondering if Diane made deals with Janey or just got pity and hugs out of her...

Also, I am wondering if getting rid of CT, causes probs for S6 because then the floaters will band against the only group enemy left in the house without CT there to take some of the flak..

Also, i think it was too early probably for James and Jani to start fighting each other, but Janie's probably backed into a corner. What's everyones thoughts on the timing?

As Danielle just said, Please talk amongst yourselves :-)

Mandana4evah
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07-08-2005

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 12:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mandana4evah a private message Print Post    
Well....
I think Will is pushing for anyone that isn't Willoogie.
Or possibly Will is worried about all the *rumors* of the Boogie and Erika showmance?

I also think Janelle is half using Diane and half really happy to maybe have a girl who likes her. Lets be honest, everyone is targeting Janelle.

I personally think CT should be booted. They are not trustworthy and i'd just hate to see s6's doom lie in their hands. It's just everything that is wrong to me coming to fruition.

Could the 'floaters' take over power? uh, yeah, but they don't talk to each other enough to make that an issue yet.
They are all squirreling over s6 or CT.
Personally I'd love to see Boogie go bye bye and see what Will would come up with.
Is it a Phanelle/Dr Dreamy end game? (gosh i'd love that!)
Would King Kaysar prevail? Would Jedi Howie prevail?

This is all too juicy to see!

Plus I'm wondering with Jan/Boogie "deal" who Janelle is really planning to nom. I mean nom if Boopukeie gets veto.

James will find whatever/whenever to be a personal affront. James is playing his own game and he is just gonna do what he is gonna do.

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 1:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendo a private message Print Post    
LOL at Willoogie! Excellent name!

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 5:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
What I want to know has to do with the comments about coming back to the house...like Jase when he left said something like see ya'll in two weeks or a couple weeks. But yet the evicted have been doing interviews so am I missing something or is the "houseguest coming back" something the hamsters have dreamed up as something that will happen?

Sailor
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08-05-2005

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 6:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sailor a private message Print Post    
For me, the strategy has become something of what the producers did not expect.

The four "teammates" from S6, along with this peticular set of all-stars from the other seasons, has significantly contributed to the S6 shutout of the rest.

Except for Chilltown, the pairs from the other years were the sets of people who disliked each other intensely; and with the case of Marci, STILL dislike each other intensely.

The producers paired the non-S6 players for drama, but the producers did not apparently anticipate that the S6 would have clear sailing with that. (I like to sail.)


Alliances would be very difficult to form for the other seasons, with the S6 alliance closest from being in the house the first time and ready to begin on day 1.

Jason, may have had Diane, (Mr and Mrs Smith) but not Nak, so he jumped to the S6 as fast as he could after being HOH.

Allison had one of her enemies in the house in Erika, so her ability to form an alliance was weakened in the beginning. We have seen Erika play the floater with S6.

Danelle has one of her enemies in the house in Marci, so her ability to form an alliance was weakened in the beginning. We have seen Marci play the floater with S6.

Will cannot image Boogie winning a HOH competition when necessary, so they have to stay low. For example, they threw the veto competition when they quit on step 1.

George is there by himself. He tried to talk to Jason for just one person to watch for him, but Jason was virtually gone by then.

This leaves the S6 on a roll knowing that they can acheive an HOH shutout. With Alison and Nak gone, S6 is literally holding all four aces in the deck. Howie, OK three aces and a joker, but that is still way beyond what any other season could muster.

Nak was absolutely right when she voted to keep Alison in the house. Once the S6 removed the absolute strongest two competitors, the rest sank into relative HOH oblivion. Nak was second in the HOH game and she was booted the next week. Nak was the second strongest non-S6 player in the house.

I do not expect to see anyone else win an HOH for the rest of the season, because I expect none of them to try. Hopefully, I'm wrong. None of them can form an alliance strong enough that one of them can win HOH and appear protected for the following week.

In many respects, this All-star version is following the bad example set by many of the Survivor All-stars during their "all-sit and wait to be voted off" season.

I still like this season, but with Survivor All-stars as an example, this season is too predictable so far.

Go George! I still want him to win.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I think that Janelle might have really overplayed her hand here....They have a term in boardgames when you think about strategy so much and all the different possible situations, you end up not being able to do anything....it's called "analysis paraylsis".....and I think Janie is suffering from it now.....

J has really painted herself in a corner here...she's made a ton of enemies this week no matter who actually goes, so if her group doesn't win HOH next week (and we're about due for a endurance one too), she's in trouble...

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
I disagree with the concept that Nak and Allison were among the best players in the house this time (though I do think they were great candidates for all stars.) Allison played all of her cards season 1 and she was just darned lucky to be able to take advantage of some lousy players then (though that is an important dimension of the game.) I enjoyed Nakomis and I think she has a good head for strategy, but I don't think she had a great interpersonal game. She disappointed me a bit, because I would have thought she would have noticed that about herself and done something about it. She would be my buddy if I were in the house, however. She would be the type of person I would like to team up with.

James is playing the game the hardest at the moment, though he is playing a dangerous game. He may be playing a bit too openly. It will be interesting to see Erika this week...if she plays it well, I promise to stop muttering "useless bikini model" every time she comes on screen (I like her, but I think she believed she was going to win because she knows people and they like her.)

I think one of the interesting dimensions about this group is that there is a side of them that seems to want to keep some of the better players in the game. I think they are quite confident of their game play and that is fun to watch. May not the best choice for some of them, but my favorites are usually the ones who play to win. I enjoy the "get rid of the floaters" stuff.... floating is a viable strategy, but most who love the game would prefer people play it.

I can't wait to see if the jury is different this time. So many of the players never seem to have seen the show before they are on...how will knowing the game better and reflecting on who won, and who in retrospect you wish had won, change how they cast their vote.

Cousin_jake
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07-04-2002

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cousin_jake a private message Print Post    
I think all along her plan was to get rid of Diane or Dani. I think she'll put up Diane. Will and Boogie told each other when alone that if they aren't on the block when all the dust settles, they will vote out who Janelle wants them to. If Diane and Erica are up, how will the votes go? K, Boogie, Howie and Will vote out Diane so at least she has 4 votes and a tie and Janelle can boot Diane. The 5th HOH comp is usually endurance so K and James and Howie have a fair chance of winning it against Will, Boogie, Marcellus, George, Dani or Erica.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
This is a great thread!

Because everything can turn on a dime in this game we can help each other keep up.

Yesterday I watched Woogie double-team Janie before noms and then woke up this morning to the end of Howie & Janie's cereal chat.

It's hard to say for sure, but I *think* Janie is playing dumb with all of them. She knows exactly what she wants to do but is cloaking it with the giggley, helpless blond routine.

If I'm right, it seems to be working-- at least with Howie. She has deflected any criticism of her noms. Whether she can defuse Kay & James remains to be seen.

I can't wait to see who she puts up in place of Boogie--

This should be a great week.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
Another thought: When Janie whispered that she had a Backdoor in mind, I'm pretty sure it was Dani. Remember how she said she didn't want to reveal it bc she didn't want BB to know.

Or, Jake might be right and she wants to ditch Diane prior to any endurance comp. (since Di has a proven endurance track record)

Everybody on her team wanted her to get rid of Will or Boogie this week. If she doesn't and Di or Dani leave instead then I will tip my hat to Jani's game play.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
I think part of the "floaters" problem is that they all went in there knowing that the players of S6 were America's favorites last season and I think simmering underneath is the thought that going against S6 will make the viewers not like them.

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
I laugh when they all say "Diane wants us out" or "Danielle is out to get us" or "Will and Boogie are coming after us." Everyone want Season 6 out! It's in noone's best interest that a group of four remain in there. Season 6 just need to vote out anyone that is a good competitor at comps and try to lock everyone else out of HOH each time. And the others need to beat them at the comps for once!

But I agree about Janelle's game play. She uses all of her assets to full advantage.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 9:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
Excellent point, Sky-

Marci- definitely. Erika-- maybe.

Dani,Di & CG not so much.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
"But I agree about Janelle's game play. She uses all of her assets to full advantage"

I'm a girl and I'm mesmerized by her!
I just enjoy watching her "do her thing"

(It's funny bc my husband is not a Jani fan. Go figure) :-)

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
We need to remember that Janie has talked about watching/studying past BB's (In season 5) so she is fully aware of each competitors strengths and flaws.

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Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
i like all of the season 6 people who returned here, but i sometimes wish (for drama's sake) they had put a few 'enemies' from season 6 together. had cappy and april been there with howie and janie or someone who wasn't in either 'alliance' last year, it would have made for more stress and excitement! plus, i'd like to have seen cappy and will try and 'outalpha-male' each other.
i hope if someone comes into the house, it's not a player who was already in for allstars. bring in the next highest vote-getter or something. let's bring in that dorky cowboy or bunky or someone else from the original potential players of this allstar game.

one thing that i wanted to smack jase upside the head over was when he made a 'deal' with season 6 and then ran and told the others. huh?! he sealed his fate.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Tabby - I like the way you think! GRIN.

Lilsisreturns
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08-05-2005

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilsisreturns a private message Print Post    
I still CONTEND that we're at a point in the show now, where I WANT Season 6 to stay till close to the end, along with my faves, George, Will, and Boogie (OK, Boogie isn't my fave, but I need him there for Will's sake).

Here's the reason: A point will arrive where Janelle or whoever will need to kick out a Season Sixer. Hell hath no fury like a Season Sixer scorned. There's no reason why Season Sixers, who sit in the jury and HAVEN'T made it to the end, thanks to the antics of their landsmen, will vote for those who betrayed them.

This gives Will, or George, a chance to take home the money.

We're at eleven people now. I want Marcellas, Diane, Danielle, and Erika to go away, and then watch Season Six eat its young.

Mark my words. The season is about to get very exciting as soon as we drop the deadwood.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
Well-- If (Big IF) Janie really does plan to backdoor Dani her instincts are right on.

Danielle just told James that it's time to take care of business. She told him it's time to drop Jani & Howie and MOVE ON. She is going to go for it big time next week.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
For the backdoor strategy to work, Janelle would have to have control of the voters. I doubt if she has that much power at this point of the game. She is allowed to put up anybody but Will.

Keiffer
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07-13-2001

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keiffer a private message Print Post    
I agree, and have said in other posts that if S6 is going to success it will have nothing to do with getting out CT. CT is no good at HoH challenges and the only shot they have is if they win them all. Because no matter who it is - if a person that is not S6 finally wins a HoH then one of them is going out.

I think that this game could get real fun to watch the sooner a non S6 person gets HoH.

Mamapors
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07-29-2004

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamapors a private message Print Post    
Sorry, wrong thread!!

Mrsparker
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08-18-2005

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mrsparker a private message Print Post    
Agree with all that think Janey should evict Dani. At first, I thought she made a stellar bad move. And maybe she did, but it is too late and she has to have follow through and get rid of Danielle. Going half-assed and putting up Will isn't going to help her save face.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 7:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
IMHO Janie is blowing this big time.

If she wanted a "safe" move she should have put
up Will & Boogie.

Instead she put a giant target on her back with a BOLD nomination.

The damage is done.

The Floaters are Restless.

Dani (in particular) is ON THE WARPATH.

If she wimps out now and puts up Will the question is Why??? Why stir things up for nothing? Why put a target on her back?

I (wanting to think the best of everyone) hoped that Janie had a plan when she made her noms.

Now she is waffling (maybe it's contagious)

Yes Janie- Everyone is gunning for you.

No Janie-- You can't trust anyone's advice.

OH Boy Janie. What are you going to do??

Firebird05
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08-24-2001

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 9:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Firebird05 a private message Print Post    
I think it's in Janie's best interest to put up Diane.

Howie, Kaysar, Will, Boogie have said they would protect her. James too, but not so much.

That leaves CG, Dani, Marci and Diane. Who knows what Cg will do but Janie won't put up Marci and putting up Dani will throw Marci's vote off their word that Erika was safe.

Soon the comp will be endurance , Cg not a threat, Marci not a threat. That leaves Dani or Diane. Diane being the biggest threat. Given that all of them will come after Jani first, she should get rid of Diane.

Plus she should know that Diane wouldn't really be her friend since S6 got rid of both Nak and Jase.