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Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 12:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
Even as I type this, Dani is probably putting Kaysar on the block and he'll probably be going home this week.

something very telling from last night's show that I am just now watching....

When K'love is talking to Dani, she asks him "Did you have a deal with Chill Town" "no" he says ....... "Did Janelle have a deal with Chill Town..." "no" he says.

One of the classic signs that someone is being untruthful is that they will shake their head the opposite of the affirmation they are giving. Watch the clip again if you still have it recorded, but do it with the sound off. When Kaysar says that "no" Janey didn't have a deal with Chill Town, he looks like he's saying "yes." He shakes his head up and down.

This confirms something I've been suspecting. I don't think he's overtly lying to Danielle, but really believes Janey made a deal of sorts with Will at least and he's trying to protect her from Danielle.

The night Janey won HOH was when he went into this funk. Sure, he's worried about friends on the outside, but he also said when asked about it that night something along the lines of "I don't like where this game is going, we're all going to have to turn on one another."

I thought at the time he was talking about James. But it's become clear through this and other examples that it was Janelle he was concerned about. He has been much more frank with James since then that he's been with Janelle. When she asked him to play for her in the veto comp. he basically told her no.

Janelle struggled with her noms last week in part because K'love was sleeping when she needed him to help her decide. I believe she would have made a better choices if she had given her his input. She made the wrong decision and James got mad and separated from the group completely.

Unfortunately for Kaysar, I'm afraid he sealed his OWN fate.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree with the above analysis and I'll add a bit to it.

First, neither James nor the other three trusted each other. Regardless of who blinked first, the alliance was doomed from the start as a result. In this kind of game where there is lots of talk and innuendo, you truly have to trust to have a decent alliance. The trust was never there.

Secondly, Kaysar for inexplicable reasons (or possibly explicable as outlined above) along with Janelle made the crucial mistake of letting mistrust develop between them. This has had the result of them being relatively oblivious to James and his deception.

Mandana4evah
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07-08-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mandana4evah a private message Print Post    
Well Clio I choose to view these noms much differently.

Dani wants one s6 gone, and since Janie won veto, Dani going over votes realizes that Kaysar is her only move without going back on her word. Now why she ever gave her word to Marci is beyond me, but whatever.

You have Dani/Kay/James with no vote, unless a tie, which Dani can break.

Marci / Erika / CG have vowed some sorta loyalty to Dani and vote Kay out.

Janie / (hopefully) Will / (hopefully Boog) would vote James...

That is a tie which goes to Dani and bye bye Kay.
Sad but true.

I also feel Kay sealed his own fate because exactly as you described, he let go of his gameplay. He let his emotions get the best of him.

Had I been in the house, knowing what I know, I would have tried to sway Erika. She seems the most maliable to me.

jmho

Aus10
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09-28-2000

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aus10 a private message Print Post    
James has been deceptive, but if I was in his position I'd be the same. He knows that as far as pecking order of season 6...he's the odd-man out. He knew from the get go that Janelle would "throw him under the bus." (I'm really beginning to hate that phrase...and think if I hear it or say it one more time, I'll have to go find my self a busy street and throw myself....well you know.) :-)

Anyway... James is protecting James...and I for one hope he goes a long way. Janie and Howie have that Lemming mentality and I'm finding it a real bore.

Mandana4evah
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07-08-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mandana4evah a private message Print Post    
OH hell! I forgot Howie!!!!

Maybe they can pull off a James boot after all...

*feels stupid*

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darclyte a private message Print Post    
The first problem was that there were 4 of them
which immediately put targets on their backs.
They knew everyone was coming after them, and
they felt by leaving CT in the house, that
CT would become the target should anyone not from
BB6 win HOH.
The problem began with Kaysar nominating Nak and
Di. He should have put up Will and Nak or as
they are both threats.
Janelle did the right thing because not only
would Erika, Diane, and Danielle put up 2 BB6ers,
but she exposed Marcellas. I don't care how much
Danielle says she would have gone after CT.
As she keeps saying, it's a numbers game.
James should have realized the truth in Janelle's
reasoning, even if he felt that she was really
doinig it for selfish reasons, and that she lied
to him. I don't think she lied during the week
they put up Jase, I think she realized what she
had to do and lied when caught.
James should have kept his cool, and told BB6 he
was going to pretend to be mad to infiltrate
the other side and report back.
Had he done so, CT would be exposed for having
deals with Danielle as well as Janelle.
At the end of the day, the "numbers" game is going
to allow CT to reach the end, unless they all
get wise quickly.

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darclyte a private message Print Post    
Mandana,
Will and Boogie are in the Legion of Doom
alliance with James. They aren't in any alliance
with Kaysar. Kaysar is gone.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Darclyte, is that supposed to be in free verse? LOL

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
It started when they didn't cultivate any other floaters. They could have brought CG in the first week through Howie.

Mandana4evah
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07-08-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mandana4evah a private message Print Post    
"Will and Boogie are in the Legion of Doom"

Are they? Or aren't they?

I'm praying to the BB gods that CT is on the side of Janie...Er keeping Janie happy...Plus this last couple hours CT is talking of booting Dani next (not like they will have power or anything but still)
I'm hoping beyond hope that in playing everyone CT maybe, just maybe is gonna attempt to please Janie, just *holds up two fingers* this much, knowing that it can get them further in the game.

Maybe I'm a dupe.

*shrugs*

What555456
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06-14-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Good analysis, Clio.

The thing that struck me about the discussion between Dani and Kay last night is it seemed to me that Dani put out all sorts of feelers to Kay to bring him along. He either lied to her -- and she knew it when he did, had no excuse or explanationor he rejected any overture.

I sensed she was looking for a deal because I think she really wanted to justify keeping Kaysar, but the best he could offer was that they would take her as far as 5th place. Huh? This is supposed to be enticing?

Of course, the entire discussion fell apart when Janelle walked in and, after being told what was discussed, immediately decided to threaten Dani with being nominated next week. It is silly to threaten someone with something they expect to happen anyway.

Thus, once hamhanded Janelle did what she did and decided to try to bully Dani (of ALL people!), all further discussions went out the window.

The only place I disagree with you is that you seem to be saying the ultimate responsibility is Kaysars because he was sleeping when Janelle should have talked with him.

Even if he was sleeping, Janelle did not need to spend so much time with Will being flattered and playing coyly with him so that she ran out of time. She could have excused herself from Will and gone, awaken Kaysar, and talked with him.

Further, Kaysar was fully involved in the discussions about putting up Diane. It was clear in those discussions that Janelle was not going to be dissuaded from going after someone she saw as a threat to her and her alone, even if her team thought it was wrong.

I think there is enough blame to go around for what has happened to Sov6 -- but to me the real blame lays at Janelle's feet. Maybe Kaysar should have been more forceful in stopping her, but the reality is she was taken in by Will and trusted his judgment more than she trusted her team's judgement.

And, of course, it looks like Kaysar is the one who will suffer because of Janelle's mistakes. We'll know in a couple of days.

Kellyk
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07-31-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellyk a private message Print Post    
Wait... I've never heard of nodding for no/shaking for yes as a "classic sign" of lying (untruthfulness). Can you site a source?

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
Just because Will and <77> say they are in this "Legion of Doom" doesn't make it so. Everybody knows these two cannot be taken at their word. They are already talking of taking Danielle out next week, their best bet if they want her gone is to keep Kaysar, Howie, and Janelle in tact.

Ocean_islands
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09-07-2000

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ocean_islands a private message Print Post    
In every single season, the first alliance is never the alliance to win the game. This is why.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I thought it was James and Dani who said they were in a Legion of Doom??

Dayum...I can't get any of this stuff straight...

Kellyk
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07-31-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellyk a private message Print Post    
I referred to Will as what happens to a cut flower.. first it wilts, then it dries... wilt (past tense) and got bleeped. I actually am liking him a bit better now and wouldn't call him wilted now. So, not suprised about <MG>. Chin up!

Lori
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04-18-2003

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori a private message Print Post    
What went wrong? One word: james.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I don't think he's overtly lying to Danielle he really believes Janey made a deal of sorts with Will

Kaysar KNOWS he's lying. He started lying when he, himself!, made the side deal with Will and Boog week two. This isn't that Kaysar is suspecting that Janelle made sortofdeal week four, Kaysar was fully aware of that.

Kaysar ahs been crying the blues for days now, I want to go home. this game isnt for me, I dont want to go to sequester. Check out the screencaps i did two nights ago. Kaysar 'working' erika until she is crying and saying she wants out of the house...and he is trying not to smile.

Lynn
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07-27-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lynn a private message Print Post    
James is what went wrong.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 2:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Or perhaps, what went wrong was the 3 of them thinking James had forgotten what they did to him last year and believing that he will see them as saints, not sinners.

James is doing the same thing he did last year. They should have seen that and acted accordingly. But for Janelle and the others to string him along as if he is a full fledged member, but then to leave him out of the decision making after demanding he go against his own promise was a really dumb thing to do -- and now we know it is a likely a fatal thing (for Kaysar) to do.

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
LOL @ kellyk. Who knew huh?

Kep supposedly Will and Boog are in that alliance too...I heard it the other night on the feeds.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 3:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
Please, nothing went wrong. They had 10 people gunning for them and as soon as they lost HOH two were going up. It's all about the numbers and Janie new that the "Floaters" had the numbers and she needed to take one out. Diane is doing the same thing. Unfortunately, James new SOV6 were in trouble the first time they lost HOH and he decided to attack Jani from the get go as his work around solution. Good for him for thinking ahead. However, attacking people personally, not good for him.

Remember, numbers are the key and both Danie and Janie know this. Danie lost me when she joins James with the personal attacks, over and over again until I want to turn off the feeds.

Cliotheleo
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03-13-2002

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cliotheleo a private message Print Post    
Kelly, there was a study conducted by the Army during WWII commonly referred to as the McCravy study that was originally developed to study prisoners of War. It's where the whole thing about blinking comes from and is also the first official study that refers to the nodding thing.

Bbpeach
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07-07-2005

Monday, August 07, 2006 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
The James situation is like "the chicken or the egg thing". Is he last in the S6 alliance because he is untrustworthy or he is untrustworthy because he is last in the alliance?

The answer depends on what side of the James fence you sit on....