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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 7 All-Stars ARCHIVES: Big Brother 7 All-Stars Part 3: The legal reason for a complete restart of HoH: Archive through August 11, 2006 users admin

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Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 2:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
Perhaps GoddessatLaw or someone else who knows more can back me up or correct me if I'm wrong.

The complete restart has nothing to do with some conspiracy to help Season 6 win.

If they didn't allow George and Janey and anyone else who was eliminated before the first known screwup, they would be sued.

The argument would be something like this...

"If you admit that the machine screwed up at some point during the competition, how do you know it wasn't screwed up from the start?"

The answer? They don't.

And anyone who was excluded would have a valid argument that the blown HoH and their exclusion from the do-over negatively affected their chances to win the game.

CBS could be forced to pay them as much as $500,000, because whose to say, if the first HoH had been fair, or they had been allowed to play the do-over, and they had won HoH, they might have won the whole game.

I know none of this matters now but all this "Season 6 Conspiracy" talk drives me nuts.

Sweetpea
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07-03-2006

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 2:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sweetpea a private message Print Post    
Kswheels
Thank you for the information. Maybe someone should tell Erika, Marcellas and Dani that.

Bblover262
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08-05-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bblover262 a private message Print Post    
I completely agree. CBS had no option but to re-do the whole HOH. The S6 Conspiracy talk is driving me nuts as well. If there was a S6 conspiracy don't you think they would have found a way to keep Kaysar in the house?

Bluefield
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08-09-2006

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluefield a private message Print Post    
I also agree. This ought to end this endless debate once and for all. Just because someone's favorite player is fresh out of luck is no reason to immediatly cry foul, but, thats what happened.

Bugeye
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07-18-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bugeye a private message Print Post    
yep. Janie got Lucky! Deal with it.

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
She got lucky in that there was a 2nd HoH Comp.

But she did win the 2nd one. No one can take that away from her. Every other houseguest had the same chance at a do-over.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
there are two ways to look at the situation.

in other years a HOH comp stood as is. and there have been known issues.

there has never been naming of a WINNER a long delay and then a repeat of a comp EVER.

that is the issue...not whom won it the second time around.

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
There have never been this many issues in one comp. Sunshyne.

And the issues weren't known when Julie declared Erika the winner.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
This is why I don't have a problem with the re-do. They all were given a fair second chance. The problem was not human error. Janelle got lucky but just as quick as the luck comes bad luck can be right around the corner.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
really?? how many issues were there?

and yes the two? issues were obvious as the Comp was being done. mike + Howie, H even made a fuss right there Live TV.

THAT is probably why it was being redone. Howie's got a great manager I understand. He probably was on the phone in a micro-second!!

I do agree that it could be said that everyone had an equal second chance but that isnt entirely accurate. dani, James, Erika were quite upset....this will affect a person's ability to focus.

Good for the Producers. they want Good TV and I am sure they will love all the blubbering and upset that this has caused Erika.

Bluefield
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08-09-2006

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 4:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluefield a private message Print Post    
Well then GOOD FOR THE PRODUCERS!

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 4:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gina8642 a private message Print Post    
This is far from the first time BB has called HOH incorrectly - but it was one of the most obvious. Howie clearly hit the button well before most of the people standing there. Who knows who else was eliminated the same way.

Bluefield
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08-09-2006

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 4:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluefield a private message Print Post    
Of course it was obvious and CBS had no other legal choice but to redo. If that pisses off Dani fans, well that can't be helped. Dani would have been calling all the shots in Erika's HoH as well as Mark's if he got it. She had to be stopped and it worked out well because there were major errs.

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 4:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
If they do nothing and let Erika have it they could be sued by Howie and anyone else who was cost the game by the machine.

They re-do it from the point right before Howie was eliminated they get sued by the contestants eliminated before Howie.

Re-doing it from the start there is a small risk of a lawsuit from Erika. But IMO "We were trying to account for a technical glitch that may have affected the outcome of the game." is enough of an argument to get a lawsuit from Erika dismissed.

Legally speaking they made the least risky decision.


Off the top of my head...

Howie was quite obviously unfairly eliminated, but it wasn't known until later that the problem was technical. It was quite possible that Howie may not have hit the buzzer hard enough.

Apparently Boogie was kept in when he should have been eliminated.

And from what I have heard the houseguests say, James hit the buzzer before Erika.

And those are the glitches we know about, one of which was game deciding.

John32070
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08-10-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 4:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send John32070 a private message Print Post    
Maybe they should let Erika and Janelle be co-HOH's.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Kswheels is totally right - they were legally obligated to re-do it giving everyone a chance. It was the only way to avoid litigation.

On another note, frankly, I'm glad Janie won. Erika would have been a pushover and Dani would have kept running things. Frankly, I had no issue with what Janie did by her second nominations. I have much more admiration for a HOH who actually thinks for themselves, puts forth their valid reasons to their alliance and goes with their own decisions, than I do for someone who is a puppet letting someone else call the shots.

Besides, it will make for GREAT TV to see all of the upset in the Dani circle. Can't wait. It will give us all a ton to discuss and I just love this board and the people here.

Let the debates begin. or - depending on your position!

WoodpeckeŽ
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07-16-2002

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send WoodpeckeŽ a private message Print Post    
And maybe they finally got it right and they should just leave it alone.

Katidyd
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07-15-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Katidyd a private message Print Post    
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Maybe they should let Erika and Janelle be co-HOH's.
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When the flames came up last night, I went to bed thinking, that there should be dual HOHs this week. Erica because of the live show plus a new competition to compensate for the obvious technical issues.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Can you imagine Erika as a co-HOH? She would most likely do whatever Janie said so she could tell others it wasn't her decision to try to take any target off of herself. Erika is a beautiful woman and seems to be genuine and nice, but I don't have any admiration for her lack of game play. I know others think that trying to stay under the radar is a valid strategy, I just disagree because it doesn't make for any conflict or good TV watching. JMHO. (Poppy ducks as the replies start flying - at least hopefully). :-)

Beruthiel
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08-07-2000

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beruthiel a private message Print Post    
But that's not fair either, Katidid, since Erika didn't really win because of the technical errors, so although she has reason to be upset, there was no recourse but to play over and cancel the original result.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Woody and Beru - happy Friday! Unfortunately, life isn't fair - at least in my little corner of the world. You just have to make it as good for yourself as you can, even when you are on a game show. How many times have we seen them screw up on regular game shows on TV? Even Vanna White screws up sometimes. LOL

WoodpeckeŽ
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07-16-2002

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send WoodpeckeŽ a private message Print Post    
I don't think Erika would even think that she should be handed the HOH, considering the circumstances.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Hopefully Erika wouldn't think that - even though she was upset, I think she has a more sense of fair play, closer to Kaysar's, than most of the others, especially Dani, James, and Marci.

Syndellswife
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08-10-2005

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Syndellswife a private message Print Post    
But the arguement from Dani,Marc and Erika isn't whether or not the buzzers worked. They were all 100% behind re-doing the competition. The problem as they see it is Janelle missed a question fair-and-square during the first competition. She's not even denying it...you can see it in her face, she knew she answered wrong.

If the tables were turned and Janelle won the first HOH under scrutiny and Marcellas FLAT-OUT answered wrong, then they re-did it and he won the whole game, I don't think so many people would be happy.

I'm not sure what they should have done to rectify this situation, but if I was Erika or Danielle, I'd be BEYOND mad because BB's faulty mechanisms opened the door for the my biggest opponent to get another shot after they actually lost fairly.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
The game is rigged!