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Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
As I've mentioned in several threads, I've been trying to figure out now that we know for sure about that pre-show alliance, did any of the other HG really have any shot at this game? Could anyone not in this group win? Since it has been hard to be 100% certain who is involved, it's been hard to tell, but as the picture becomes clearer I'm thinking NO. And boy does that have me mad!

What we know; Given whispered comments, Lisa's internet talk and various other sources, it's clear there is a strong, quiet planned alliance in the house. From the feeds last nite it is pretty clear that for sure those in it are Will, Boogie, Dani, James and I think some mystery person. This is where I get confused. I think they are too. I'm not sure if they are loyal to this 5th or considering who would serve them best. And I think they consider a 6th as there to fill a temporary need. Either way we have people from various groups around the house with a committed, unwavering loyalty to each other. I've sat trying to figure if anyone else ever had a shot, and best I can figure out is unless in the first couple weeks by accident a few key evictions were made, I think the answer is no. And since all groups around the house were infiltrated, they were able to steer votes away from those people. In hindesite I think we had this alliance fighting against Mr & Mrs Smith arranged alliance, and whichever one won in the early game, won the season.

I personally feel this makes all strategy discussions we see fall into 2 catagories: either total BS or poor unknowing HG spinning their wheels with no hope of their plans coming together. Golly that has been fun to watch...just more lies and some fake strategy convo's to give BB something to use for the show as well as throw folks off IMHO.

I think my real question is why isn't CBS/BB doing something?? It clearly is in violation of their contracts. They have spoken of it several times on the feeds, not to mention the HG internet chats etc. I think it certainly can be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt." I said in Chatters yesterday I think the best thing BB could do is call it out TODAY. Stop the eviction, regroup, do either a mass penalty nom or just throw those folks out and bring back people. I don't think it would matter they were out since no previous strategy would matter and it truly would be a brand new game. It would get MASSIVE press, entertainment show coverage and maybe those sagging ratings would perk up with folks tuning in as they always do with controversy. I think BB can act on this (but won't) or just whimper to the worst disaster ever and end our beloved BB run on this negative note.

Those are my feelings. Anyone see it differently? Or any ideas on what BB could or should do?

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Lurk...okay I give you all your points! But my question is do you not consider Janelle, Kaysar and Howie, with James as a side dish...a preshow alliance? I would and I am a huge fan of three of them! :-)

Alliet
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07-11-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alliet a private message Print Post    
If this was a fixed alliance why did James leave within the first week and a half to join up with Danielle and Diane? I think their alliance was pushed together out of necessity from hearing, in the first week, that they were the biggest target. PLUS, James was friends with Danielle from the wrap show. They have been close ever since. Danielle has relationships with most of the other HGs from past seasons as do several of them. The S6 'alliance' came out of a need to survive. They have been friends for a year. Some of them have been friends a lot longer. Look where that friendship got Janelle with James and with Marcellas.

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Lainee - I consider Janelle, Kaysar and Howie as a pre-show friendship, and with that knowing they would be allies, but not necessarily in the same vein as an alliance such as Lurk is talking about, where the players (with the exception of Woogie) didn't know each other but specifically contacted each other to form this alliance. I wouldn't doubt what Lurk says for a minute.

I think they should pull a Tour de France situation on them, call them on, mass evict them, and bring back the people who were evicted (ok, maybe not Alyson or Diane - they have always irritated me since before). That being said, I don't know if I could stand if they brought in Cowboy, or Dana, or Lisa - I think any one of those three would drive me insane.

Talk about publicity, and CBS/BB would probably profit from it tremendously.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Allie...I was only including James in that he was part of Season 6 or so everyone thought! Note the side dish...but yeah because Janelle, Kaysar and Howie are friends therefore logical for them to form an alliance...wouldn't they be considered a preshow alliance? And I love them...certainly don't want them to leave! :-)

Beebee
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08-20-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beebee a private message Print Post    
Lurk...since this is a game show involving a money prize, isn't Big Brother governed by the FCC(?) rules regarding game show fraud? I think TV networks hate to have complaints reported to the FCC. If the whole BB thing is fixed, then best thing is to report them.....but, again, the network would have to be in on it....nevermind.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Poppy, I do understand where you are coming from...but an alliance is an alliance. It is an understanding that you can trust the other people in your alliance to have your back! But, BB should have known that they would stick together. The way I understand it...there were quite a few pre-show alliances...some overlapping other pre-show alliances. Since I don't have the feeds I can't say whether that is true or not.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Beebee...it might be a game show...but it is governed by different rules than say Price is Right or Jeopardy!

Poppy
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07-21-2006

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Poppy a private message Print Post    
Good points Lainee. And, along with game shows being governed by various rules, they would have to be prove that the rules were broken to do anything about it.

Beebee
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08-20-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beebee a private message Print Post    
I'm probably give more credit than he is possibly worthy of, but I suspected Howie of being in the Will/Boogie secret alliance....lol..and James as the fall guy.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
I've REALLY wondered that BeeBee (BB just got it hehehe). I think the question is do they know enough not to be able to play dumb. They made them sign the contracts etc. This is why I feel now that they were talking about it on the feeds AND it matches up with the posted info, I feel they should and MUST take some action (though I doubt they will). I damn near sent this to the Smoking Gun, but didn't feel like being an "obsessed fan." But I am pissed this has happpened cause I feel it ruined my BB summer fun.

And Poppy thank you for saving me a lot of typing hehe. The one thing I would add to your otherwise prefect post is that since James is part of this pre-game alliance he was able to help steer elections in the right direction. For example why didn't Janie boot out Dani? As she said, because of James. Shows the power right there IMHO.

And to me another HUGE difference with the Sovs is there is NOTHING secret about them knowing each other or likely working with each other. So the entire house knows what they are dealing with. (cept sadly the Sovs themselves who don't know they have a Benedict James in their midst). With this other group it is so secret others have no clue to fear it, or to see their strategies won't work other than buy them time etc. That to me makes it VERY different. Also the Sovs have been totally honest about their loyalties to everyone--they didn't try to BS anyone at any time. Sigh well the THREE real Sovs that is.

Luvscoutii
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07-21-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvscoutii a private message Print Post    
Maybe because BB had prior knowledge of this alliance? They always edit the shows to their liking....

I thought it strange in Tuesdays show it made it appear that CG was giving up and would do whatever to get Dani to the end. James is shown as vulnerable with the phone call and sappy music playing. Dani is also shown as being vulnerable almost like she was a victim with the 24hr solitary confinement. Will and Boogie get tons of air time (although IMO they ham it up on purpose and I enjoy watching them). It does seem like BB has been for quite a few shows now trying to steer the audience to like these 4. Actually I'd throw CG as another one that gets the sappy moments highlighted. They don't exactly show the gameplay (or lack of IMO) about CG - sorry that was a tangent. I almost feel like the shows are sort of forcing this likability factor for certain HG down the viewing audiences throat. I guess it's really nothing new though....

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Are you sure that this isn't an attempt to rationalize why the show isn't progressing in a manner that is appealing to you? Or is that a coincidence?

Earlier other fans were complaining that the whole show was just a set-up to allow Janelle a chance to win and make up for last season.

Also, I'm not sure that an alliance formed outside of the house would work all that differently than an alliance formed within the first couple of days in the house, so it is not a major point of concern for me anyway.

Beebee
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08-20-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beebee a private message Print Post    
Well if the Evil Doctor can pull this one off, then give the boy a sitcom (not Boogie, though, he ain't funny or cute). Only the "Doc" has the brains enough to even think this up. But, again, I just can't see all of them being such good actors that all of the "deep cover" secret alliance could keep "in character" 24/7 without at least one of them making a major slip up.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Jimmer...in a way I guess that is what I was trying to say. Yes, everyone knew Janelle, Kaysar and Howie are friends outside the house and EXPECTED them to be together. It has been discussed that nearly all reality show people know each other to some degree and go about in the same circles...so it is quite possible that this "secret" alliance knew each other also.

I am most definately NOT saying it is right and that BB isn't editing the shows to suit themselves....

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
No Jimmer--CT spoke of it with names last nite and some folks posted part of Lisa's chat where she spoke of this alliance and it matches up exactly! That's part of why I'm so upset. If the Sovs were just outplayed that would be one thing, but with this all strategy talks were either IMHO for yuks or for short term and none really matter. I'm so disallusioned I can't tell you.

Keep in mind they said they would stay solid, spread to various groups in the house and keep in controlled and it appears to have played out just that way. So since it has worked I feel it is a pretty big concern sigh. It seems to be controlling how the game has gone and will go. I would LOVE to be wrong. But given all the facts I can't see how I am. :-(

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I wouldnt go as far as to admit that the outcome itself is fixed....but there is no doubt that the producers have been guiding certain individuals to progress in the game.

a set-up to allow Janelle a chance to win and make up for last season.
i would imagine that this ALLstar season will have a "viewers choice" additional prize like the Survivor when rupert won money...basically because he ws from the previous season and a current fan favorite.

this is the same situation exactly, in my opinion.

Expect a miracle to save Janelle next week if kaysar actually goes this week.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Of course BB has okayed the pregame alliance. Dr Will and Danielle said they'd never do an allstars yet here they are. WHY? what was offered? We know Dr Will made a stipulation that Boog had to be involved. Now thats power. Surely CBS would want a couple of REAL allstars on the show.

Watch this be some kind of a "secret partners" twist that will be brought forward by Julie as a way to explain this obvious pregame alliance.

Calimc
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07-15-2006

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calimc a private message Print Post    
My question is...why was James pushing for Janelle to put up CT? Why was he pushing to put Boogie up instead of Jase? Why did he and Danielle try to save Jase? I really don't think this alliance is a strong pre-show alliance. Its possible they talked about things, but the legion on Doom just solidified when they wanted to target Janelle. I watched how James argued to put up CT so many times...he was seriously frustrated and pissed everytime the others argued to keep CT. I can't see this a James steering them in any direction at all. I see this as James and Danielle coming together with CT cos they need to break up S6 and I bet this will change next week if the power shifts once again.

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
Also, I'm not sure that an alliance formed outside of the house would work all that differently than an alliance formed within the first couple of days in the house, so it is not a major point of concern for me anyway.

Jimmer, just what I was thinking.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
I believe he did that all for show Cali...same way if you recall early in the game Marci bashed Dani at every turn but would always end the convos by agreeing to go along with the house for everyone else. I totally think folks have made sub-alliances both for show and to secure safety too.

But the only way for this to work is for all of them to appear to be playing the game, working against each other and hardly talking in the house. So if it looks like they are against the folks they are working with, then no one will suspect what is actually going on (as was the plan. Lisa confirmed that in her chat btw. So that explains the actions to me. It would be different if he actually did any of the things he mouthed off about---but they were just words. And words from his mouth are 99% of the time lies.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
why was James pushing for Janelle to put up CT?

For the same reason as Dani put up James. It makes it look like they arent in an alliance.

Lori
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04-18-2003

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori a private message Print Post    
I think they needed to even out the seasons. Obviously most of the houseguests were going to stick like glue to people from their seasons. They should have done 2 or 3 people from each season. Season 6 did come in with a huge target having 4 people.

Luvscoutii
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07-21-2005

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvscoutii a private message Print Post    
Unless Calimc it was a "show" put on by James for S6 so they wouldn't suspect him. He knew what their stategy to knock down the floater number was so I don't think he really thought (this is assuming he decided on this pre-show alliance) that his rants would actually cause CT to go up. They didn't suspect him of being so solidified with another group. Tactically he'd want to use misinformation to his advantage. They were always suspicious of what he would do toward the end game but only this week are they really starting to question his actions.

Then again I love a good conspiracy theory and who knows someone may come up with something else and we might just as easily pick things here and there to support it.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Ok I found a small bit of it in the live feeds here. It has far more power if you combine it with other conversations and especially the alliance Lisa spoke of in an online chat. And the tone was more definative about James being solid forth--no question at all;

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:04 am
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Will and Boog talking alone.

Say that They are a solid alliance with Dani. The three of them are as solid as Sov3. They say that James makes a good fourth.

They discuss Erika and Marc. Both are considered weak members.

(I sure hope someone is doing word for word this is good stuff!)

Will says he would love to flip this and get james out.

(lots more- hope someone has it)