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Mandana4evah
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07-08-2005

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 10:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mandana4evah a private message Print Post    
I don't know firebird...
We haven't seen Diane actually do anything yet.
I'm co-signing on getting rid of Dani.
Plus getting rid of Dani eases James sorta back with s6.
Getting rid of Dani takes away the bigger threat of Dani/James.


Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 11:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
Birdie!!!!

Calimc
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07-15-2006

Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 4:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calimc a private message Print Post    
YAY a strategy thread...

I am pasting this post I did yesterday in the chatters thread, with a few modification...too long to type again but it has all my suggested arguments for Janelle keeping Will...

I haven't read LFs since yesterday afternoon so there could be some changes in the house since I wrote this... hope they all still apply.

......

I do think that Janie may keep Will. Janie has made all the moves on her own so far. She was the one who called Will in to let him know she wants to save Boogie. I really do believe...at this point...that the best bet for Janie and S6 is to accept an alliance with CT.The following are arguments she can use to convince Howie and Kaysar, forget James, he has another agenda.

> based on the feeds, all the floaters are gunning for S6. Everyone of them has said it at one point to CT or to each other so they are in essence another alliance in the house. I think at this point they are playing a waiting game...waiting till CT is gone, when all the other targets are gone, then they will outnumber S6 5 to 4. So the best bet for Janelle is to take a floater out now so later it will be 4 S6, 4 floater and 2 CT. The problem with this argument is that Howie, Kay and James...in their need to protect their floater friends... convinces Janie that they are not after them. Janie can say that that is complete BS...just put themselves in the floaters shoes...what will they do? take down the biggest threat when they have the chance when they have the majority. By taking one of their numbers out Janie evens the playing field.

>create another target...use Marcelas argument against him...that the house hates CT and that he would put them up when he gets the nomination. If they take out Will they make Mike a floater...he may galvanize the floaters and they will be 6 against 4. If a floater get HOH...they will have no other target except one S6 and Boogie. By keeping Will...if a floater gets it then they can go for both Will and Boogie.

>She can argue that she recognizes that each of them have a floater friend...and Diane is the one that does not have a relationship with anyone. She will easily go with boogie or if anybody else that comes back in...

>CT has no other choice but to help S6 cos the floaters all hate them now since they tried to put the target on the floaters. So they can use them for two more weeks..and even if they get to sequester or final 6 with S6.. they still outnumber CT.

>she can assure them that she is thinking of strengthening the four of them with this move. Her loyalty is still with S6 and if it is CT against any of the S6 she will always side with S6, but now they have to recognize the common problam that is the floater alliance. Like she knows Marcellas will keep her safe but she does not know about the others if he does not have CT as a target. IF they join with CT...they will have the voting block to take care of the floaters if that is what they decide. If they decide they want to go with the floaters to final 6 then they also have that option in the next 2 weeks.

>CT may be lying to them but the only way they can influence the nominations is to win the HOH themselves and they won;t do it unless they are backed up in a corner. If Will goes Boogie will fight like anything to get HOH. If they both stay and think they are safe in an understanding with them they will start throwing the HOH.

>with this move they can neutralize one threat, CT and weaken the other, floaters.

> as long as the floaters know they don't have the numbers they won't have the guts to band together and take S6 and CT on. If they know they won't have majority, they will all try to get closer to the power and cannabilize each other.

I really think Janie is thinking for herself at this point and is looking at all the angles unlike the other three who are focused on CT as the enemy they forget the other alliance is stronger.

Howie keeps saying Will is like maggie...no, Danielle is like Maggie. Maggie had power cos everyone else liked her and followed her. The floaters are not following CT. They tried, but these are all star players, they are no sheep so Will really doesn't have the power to get the others to do what they want. The problem of Kay, Howie and James, they are stuck on their season and this is a very different situation.

Calimc
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07-15-2006

Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 4:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calimc a private message Print Post    
about controlling the votes. IF Janie puts up Diane...she may have enough votes to keep Erika. Howie and KAy will vote for Erika to stay since they have no choice. I think they have stronger ties to Erika than with Diane and Will and Boogie will vote with Janie. So Janie is the tie breaker vote.

If she puts up Dani, I bet she can persuade Marci to vote her out, remember her jugular is exposed, maybe Howie cos I don't think he would have a choice in this matter, and will and Boogie.

See the beauty of alligning with woogie is that they are 2 votes (if they stay true to the deal and I think they will since its good for them).

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 5:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Aren't there only 8 people voting this week or am I missing someone on my list? Wouldn't be the first time. But, if Howie, Kaysar, Will and Boogie and Marcellas votes with her that is the 5 she needs to save Erika.

James, although technically an S6er, can't say how he would vote if Diane or Danielle were on the block.

Then there is George, who may vote with S6ers considering Howie has been the nicest to him of everyone in the house...

That leaves only Danielle or Diane and hard to say how the one not on the block would vote...at least for me! LOL

Redstar
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07-08-2005

Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 6:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redstar a private message Print Post    
I think that George could win an endurance HOH. It just depends on what they have to endure. Holding a button, no. Sitting in a bathtub with disgusting things being thrown in, yes.

2addicted
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07-17-2006

Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 2addicted a private message Print Post    
Excellent analysis Calimc--

I agree with all your points!

By nominating Erika, the damage (to the floaters' complacency) has already been done. The house is at a "tipping point"

It's a dangerous time for Janie and (IMHO) her only chance is to take out one of the 2 people who is definitely gunning for her-- Dani or Diane.

BTW-- I think that taking out Boogie would have been another decent option. But I don't like the idea of voting out Will. (or Erika at this point)

Firebird05
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08-24-2001

Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Firebird05 a private message Print Post    
Hi Lance!!!!! Animoderator???Boy I have been gone awhile I guess.

Mandana I agree Diane has not done much this season but in her season she lasted somewhere around 13 hours in an endurance comp. I don't think she is as smart a player as Dani, but she could be this year's Jennifer if the S6 keep her.

Luvscoutii
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07-21-2005

Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 10:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvscoutii a private message Print Post    
I'm not sure why some people think it's smart for S6 to get rid of Will or Boogie. As others have pointed out the huge personalities and alliance of CT wouldn't be as big anymore and the target that would waver between CT and S6 would be solely on S6 if CT is weakened. I think S6's idea to begin with in getting rid of floaters and keeping CT as a potential target was smart. Why do you think James is wavering in that now? I know he likes to play many sides and have lots of options but it just doesn't seem all that smart in the long run.

Mishaccr
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08-28-2005

Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mishaccr a private message Print Post    
How may groups does Dani have, and does no one see this in the house? I think Janelle should
put up Dani because she is working with ALL the
boys, and she walks around asking what is Janelle's problem with women. But I guess I can
say that cause I'm not in the house.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, July 31, 2006 - 12:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Mishaccr, we see all the goings on of the HGS, but they only see the ones they are involved in or are told about and sometimes those get distorted or downright changed. And Janie is not exactly the type that interacts a lot with the others. She is probably not even aware of Dani's actions. Who is going to tell her?

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, July 31, 2006 - 12:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Am I reading it incorrectly or is the super secret alliance we have all suspected existed and were waiting for finally showing up?

There seems to be an alliance between Will, Boogie, James, and Danie that was never suspected until today. Apparently Will clued Dani in on his deal with Janie and told her to tell James.

Then in the storage room, Dani told James and he seemed to take it as confirmation she was selling them out and said it was time to take her out, and said she was gone the first time they got HOH.
Dani said that was all she was waiting for.

Did this alliance exist in a solid form before the game began or has it developed during the game. If it is the latter, it is funny how quiet they managed to keep it. If it was befor the game, how have they managed to communicate without giving it away to the viewers? Was there a certain time or situation where their alliance was to kick in?

James and Will seem to be working at cross purposes when it comes to this week's nominations. But is this all a put on to deflect attention. Will James "give in" to Janie on her veto replacement and then use that as an excuse to nominate her the first opportunity.

Actively working to get Will evicted, but then giving in at the last minute, like he did with Jace last week, would be a great way for James to deflect any suspicion that he has an alliance with CT.

If this alliance is for real, is the deal Will and Boogie made with Janie a smokescreen?

The whole thing is very confusing, because even among themselves Boogie and Will have never mentioned another alliance. They have acted all along as though it was just the two of them. Will even told Boogie that they were honoring the deal with Janie. No mention of any understanding with Dani or James. The next few days is gong to be very interesting.

Kiersten_love
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08-03-2001

Monday, July 31, 2006 - 12:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kiersten_love a private message Print Post    
why why why is Jani, our sweet brilliant Jani, putting so much trust in Marcie and spilling everything <MG>, why?

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, July 31, 2006 - 12:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
So I just listened to a discussion between Will and Boogie that suggests that there is no secret alliance and they intend to stick with Janie as long as they can, bringing Howie and Kaysar on board. Will even said Janie should get rid of Dani this week. It gets even more confusing.

Kiersten_love
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08-03-2001

Monday, July 31, 2006 - 12:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kiersten_love a private message Print Post    
There is so much miscommunication to us this year on the live feeds, lol

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, July 31, 2006 - 12:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
You know I was just looking at Janies' HOH room and it would be fine if it had a gray rug and the chairs had been a muted pink instead of that pepto bismal pink. I love gray and pink together. I think it is the garish rug that makes it so bad.

Mandana4evah
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07-08-2005

Monday, July 31, 2006 - 12:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mandana4evah a private message Print Post    
Firebird I totally agree with your Diane may be the new Jennifer analogy... (just for good measure I need to tsk tsk Kaysar again for that decision)
I'm just holding off until I actually see Diane even try.
:/
I do however understand an endurance is looming...but given Janie and Kaysar's attempts in comps past, I'm not really sweating endurance at this point.
Diane was Diane then...maybe not so much now.
;)

Myla
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06-21-2006

Monday, July 31, 2006 - 2:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Myla a private message Print Post    
If there is a secret alliance between CT, james and Diane then Erika will be going home or has Janie switched back to putting up Dani?

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Bump, to give Donut a warm fuzzy. I do like this thread, but I am more of a reader of it than a discusser.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 9:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
My opinion (FWIW) is that Will and Boggie are just out for themselves, but making it appear that they are with the floaters when with them, and with S6 when with them/Janie. Its thier strategy. Get everyone to believe they are with them and they last a long long time.

Guess i can be a discusser.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 9:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
This will be thoughts. In the Spoiler thread, I said it's alright to play, but I see shades of witch hunt in James' entics. Had to explain. Don't think Az would be around to read it. Might as well kill two threads with one post. Sorry, Donut. ;-D You have the KT people here, this is not gonna last any longer.

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James did not decide to switch sides as a reaction to Kay & Jan's "coming after him". He had his eyes on all sides since day one. Which is not a bad thing. We know there's only one big prize and all that jazz.

James is not only mad at Jan for her action this week. He is, however, getting the best out of this opportunity.

James is going around creating the concept for his allies that Jan has gone nuts by bothering floaters, making them feel unsafe. Even though that was Kay's idea and James' move last week. James is creating mess hysteria amongst the floaters that Jan is their biggest enemy. (Which is true, but not the way James uses it.) He wants all the floaters to think that he is the guardian of them all, fighting against Janie for all floaters! They are all delusional, James is planting seeds so that floaters would target Jan #1(yesterday!). But when he becomes HOH, it will all depends on how strong his alliance is before he'd dare to make a move against his own S6 group.

I said shades of witch hunt, since he's running away with very little truth, creating mess misconception and hiding his own agenda. But essentially, he's just being a good player playing all sides!! Does that make sense, Azrl?

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 9:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
I understand it Chy. James is crafty and working everyside he can. Just like Will. That is not a final 2 I want to see.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I would generally agree with you, Chy, in your characterization of what James is doing. I might quibble over some of the specifics, but not the overall thrust of your comments.

But you see, this is exactly why I like James -- and Dani and Will as well. Each of them is able to take an opportunity and exploit it to their benefit. Each also takes the risk when they do this, knowing that it all can backfire and backfire quickly.

I much prefer watching the individual playing the group than watching a group of people simply hunker down in the HoH room and steamroll people by sheer numbers.

I guess I appreciate finesse over brute force.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 10:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Janie, took a risk and exploited her HOH to protect herself and her alliance (true or not on CT's part, she believed it). Granted now she is mostly hiding, so people aren't reminded of the huge bullseye on her back. But she did step out and do what she thought was best for her. Now the chips will fall where they may.

I wish she was more social with the other HG's, but I am a quite person too.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 2:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
I agree that James did not switch sides just because of Janie's decisions this week. However, I think that he has convinced himself that that *is* the reason. And that's why I can't appreciate players like James -- they believe their own lies. I'd have much more respect for him if he smiled in the DR and said this was the opportunity he was looking for to turn against the BB6ers. Instead, he's genuinely mad and curses at Janelle.