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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:05 pm
A lot of fans get upset when a Houseguest betrays or lies but they get really upset when a Houseguest says nasty things and uses crude language when talking about another Houseguest. They suggest that friendships will be ended as a result. Some fans go as far to say that they "hate" a houseguest or that they may be awful people in real life. I was watching the show tonight and listening to various HGs talk trash and so on and all of a sudden it didn't completely ring true to me. There seemed to be a lack of sincerity in their apparent vindictiveness. So my question is (as James put it in his coup d'etat answer), are they "pulling the wool over our eyes"? Does James really mean all that stuff he says about Janelle? Does Dani believe what she says? Does Janelle mean what she says? And so on. When she finds out, will Janelle care what some of them have said about her on the show? And will they care what Janelle said? Or are they all just making "Good TV" as is so often said? While some fans pour out their hearts and ache over every word, are most of the Houseguests going to be getting together at one of Boogie's bars and laughing themselves silly when this is all over?
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:08 pm
I have a theory that James has been saying negative stuff about Janelle to prove to Dani he's on her side. I think there's some truth to it, but he's smarter than that. Of course I also think Will bashes Janelle to Boogie to hide the fact that he secretly loves and wants to marry her, so what do I know, ha ha.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:09 pm
Yep, all the way to the bank. Will most of all.
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Jeanne
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:16 pm
Great post Jimmer. Things that make you go hmmmmmm ....
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:19 pm
Somebody get Jimmer a slop pass. Right on.
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Jhezzie
Member
07-05-2001
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:25 pm
There is much hamming it up for the cameras. But, don't forget that they have no outside stimuli. Their world is those people and that square footage, so stuff is really magnified. Their reactions are really magnified. The editing also make you scratch your head if you don't have/read the live feeds, too.
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Poptart
Member
07-19-2006
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:28 pm
Jimmer you are on to something... James talks of when he stayed at Kaysars, they talk about going and doing things in the past year together. And James did say to Dani, "I just voted out my best friend". And believe it or not I think this may have been the only truth we have seen from James. One day while walking in the yard Janie and Kay talked about wanting to go on a ski trip this year to Colorado near RayRays house and included James and Sara as people they wanted to come with them. They joked about Howie coming but not letting him ski because he was clumsy.LOL So many harsh things have been said this season, and not just calling someone a Beoch or Azz, much worse.I hope they will be able to get past it, I don't know if I could. You know the saying "Forgive and Forget" well I may forgive but never forget.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:40 pm
I said before that there has never been a season where we truly dont know who they are really alligned with, even watching feeds and seeing Dr I have no clue if the LOD is a real alliance
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:44 pm
It's a very good question. It seems like there have only been a few instances where people on the show remain bitter afterward. Look at Janelle and Howie's joyous reaction to seeing April again on tonight's show. Compare it to Will and Nicole. Look at how close Amy and Chiara ended up after all the anger between them. And didn't I hear that Diane and Scott were living together for a while? He had said horrible things to her in the BB house. I'm sure there are times when the fans continue despising someone on their idol's behalf while the actual contestants have become good friends and let bygones be bygones. Otherwise I can't imagine why Erik would've agreed to come back and make an appearance this season, and why they all seemed to get nostalgic over it rather than bitter.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:47 pm
Nope, they are exactly how you see them, they aren't that great actors, they're the real thing, with all their appalling or endearing traits.
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Bbfan05
Member
08-11-2006
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:54 pm
Yeah, people go back and forth with their moods and comments every couple minutes, so it's hard to take what is really meant and what is just a spur of the moment one-liner. I'm sure most of it is what they are just feeling at the moment, and exaggerated to get their point across.
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Westtexan
Member
07-16-2004
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 9:25 pm
When the HG are in the diary room it's like watching a toned down version of the commercials where professional wrestlers talk smack about other wrestlers. About the only difference is the outrageous costumes.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 9:35 pm
The people in the DR try to get the HGs to say and do things that they can use on tv. They tell the HGs that the more dirt they dish on the other HGs, the more airtime they may get. Howie doesn't seem to be prodded too much, the DR finds out what's bugging him, and lets him go. Danielle is the queen of the DR, and that's why she lost BB3. She knows there is sequester now, so she is back to letting it all out in the DR. They try to get them to act as nasty as possible, and I often feel when watching Janelle's DR that she has been proded into saying a lot of what we see, since she doesn't seem sincere. James really has been hamming it up lately, with his Tom Cruise like performances where he "prayed to the BB gods" and where he praised Janelle and said he wasn't worthy. I mean, come on, with Will and Boogie doing tandem DR routines...you 've never really seen that before this year. They are being allowed to perform, and BB knows they can use it on tv to whatever ends they have in mind. However, one HG has really gone beyond "prodding." Marcellas has been really mean to Janelle both in the DR and to other HGs. I don't understand what his deal is. I used to like Marcellas, but I find what he is doing to Janelle to be appalling. Does he really think that when he gets out and she sees and hears the stuff he said that she'll forgive him for it being "part of the game?" I think he has gone far beyond performing for the cameras.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 9:50 pm
I somehow don't think Marcellas gives a flip whether or not Janelle forgives him after the show. It sounds like he's pretty much done with her. He seemed like more a fan of hers than a friend to begin with, and once she fell off her pedestal he got turned off.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 12:01 am
Or are they all just making "Good TV" as is so often said? absolutely, I have actually stopped watching feeds as often. Worse, since things are getting rather complicated I have already noticed a few 'mistakes'. Like conversations taking place late night and then the next day people act like it never took place. Even today, Janelle and Howie being worked on for hours by W B to put up Marc ONLY becasue they guaranteed Erika was GONE! Today janelle mentions it and as soon as Will starts talking she 'forgets' that she was promised. instead, she starts agreeing with them that Erika should be saved. Doesnt make SENSE!! these people are not good actors. It seems so fake to me. Esp Will Boog and their rehearsed routines. and of course Howie and Janelle and their rehearsed routines. Even Dani has her 'usual conversations' repeated over and over again.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 5:30 am
Well I won't go that far Sun... But I do believe these guys are all hamming it up this time. They all know the score going in and are playing to the audience/camera as much as the game itself. Whether they are good at it or not is subjective, but I for one certainly have been enjoying it this season. I personally think that because so much effort, scripted or otherwise, has been put into this season, it has been one heck of a ride for me!!! Jimmer brings up some very good points. Some viewers get so "involved" in the behavior of the HG's, it reminds me of viewers of soap operas. Soap opera actors are rarely if ever like the people they portray, but their viewers will steadfastly hate or love them based on their actions on the shows. I realize our HG's are not soap opera actors, but I think their fans are similar in some ways.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 5:38 am
I think it's the level of nastiness of some of the comments...that's what makes me think it's not a put-on. If you're only hamming it up, why take it to that level?
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Poptart
Member
07-19-2006
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 6:02 am
I agree Rupertbear, Also in reference to one of the comments above about the DR's with Will and Boogie, we have had that before in other seasons, there were times last year I seem to recall with multiple players in there at once.
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Nancyb
Member
07-07-2005
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 6:05 am
Dare I write it? "It is what it is" I think they mean every word of it.
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Poppy
Member
07-21-2006
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 6:14 am
Poptart - we have talked numerous times in church about the supposed truth of the "forgive and forget" saying, which comes from the Bible. Just for all who are unaware, there is nowhere in the Bible that it says "forgive and forget"; it actually says to "forgive and remember". We are supposed to forgive, and move on, but if we don't remember, we are setting ourselves up to fall into the same old traps as before. (just a little digression here and no, I am not preaching, just a little historical sharing). I try to always forgive, but to also always remember. I don't like having to learn the same difficult lessons more than once - that is not fun at all, and then I also feel like a fool for getting myself into the same jam again. Insofar as what people are saying and whether it is "real" or actually "genuine" or not. I have my own personal feelings about that. I think alot of what is said in the general areas of the house are somewhat forced and more vehement to throw people off the track as to what people are really thinking, but I also think that what people say in the DR, even though they are somewhat led and egged on by the powers that be, is much closer to their true feelings, at least right now. There is no reason for them to be so vicious in the DR if they don't mean it. There is no reason for Marci, James, or any of them, to say such ugly, hurtful things about anyone else, unless they do somewhat have these feelings, at least right now. These people are like lab rats in an experiment going horribly wrong right now and have nowhere else to vent there frustrations, anger, humiliation and disappointment than in this house. Only time will tell what is really what and what long-lasting effects it will have outside the house.
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Poptart
Member
07-19-2006
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 6:22 am
I hear you Poppy,,, thats what I said "Forgive and Forget"(remember) I forgive but do not forget. DIVORCED!!! LOL ,,,,,, Okay like the other old saying "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me" Wish S6 would have heard that one before trusting James. AGAIN.
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Celticlass
Member
09-10-2005
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 6:26 am
You need to remember, it is easy to judge from outside the fishbowl. When you are inside, with such limited contact, and people with a variety of personalties and ways of coping with information and life in general, it has to throw you off of your game.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 7:09 am
I think this is one of the most scripted BB's we have seen -- at least in terms of the characters being played and the acts being put on.
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Poppy
Member
07-21-2006
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 7:12 am
Poptart - I've done the old divorce game twice now, hopefully to never go there again! I got fooled twice, but, in the immortal words of The Who song, "I won't be fooled again"...LOL
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 8:31 am
*peeks out from under her wool blindfold, decides its better in the dark and quickly retreats*
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 8:34 am
* Joining Kep421 and going to get my soft blankie*
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Fieryfurnace
Member
07-05-2006
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 8:48 am
it's all a spool of lies.... haha
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Thing3
Member
08-09-2006
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 8:55 am
They're playing a game and once the game is over almost everything that happened will be forgotten. Emotions can run high when your playing a game but when it's all over, most people can shake hands and forget all about it (e.g. boxers). Look at politicians, they bash each other all day and attend dinners together at night. Face it, if your going to play this game you better have thick skin and be forgiving or your in for a world of hurt. I'm sure they all understand everything said and done within the context of the game is just that....game. I doubt there is any more to it besides some hamming it up for “good tv” sake (e.g. DR conversations). You also have to realize the HG's are like co-workers and will remain so for some time even when they leave the BB house. We all have people we don't like at work but we still remain friendly with them just the same. Since most of the HG's are looking for a job in the entertainment business, I'm sure they aren't going to burn possible bridges by holding a grudge over things said playing a tv show game. I just don't think that would be a good career move. So I say relax people. It's a TV game show. The HG's know that so maybe you should too.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 9:42 am
Great posts Jimmer, Curlyq, and Thing3. I think it's all in game and these folks still all like each other. That said, if I were in there, I don't think I would play using name-calling and things like that. I think things like <MG> are OK, because I use those words sometimes in my normal life, and TO my friends too!! LOL It's not TOO bad. But I wouldn't go on about a person's extensions, their job, their family living situation, etc. Kaysar said in a post BB7 interview, after HEARING the things James said, they they would still be close friends and talk regularly. I think he is past all of this. Danielle has said MANY times when talking about leaving the house, that nobody can understand you EXCEPT other poeple who have played the game. That is why they tried to hijack all of the HGs either last year or the year before, and take them to a different party. She said the hard thing when you get out is that people are either so eager to tell you what people said about you, or they have a look that they can't tell you something, but if only you knew the truth. I believe that people act differently in this game, and the isolation REALLLLY makes you lose the social relativity and the knowledge of a moral code of conduct. These people are playing a game and I think most are just doing what it takes to survive in any given social situation they are in at the time. Jimmer, you said in one thread that it is a lot like playing golf or football with a co-worker. Some people are super great people at work or in life, but if you get them on the golf course or playing field, they become competitive <MG>. You can't just judge a person with how they play a game, and only in that game context. I thought your analogy was an excellent one, Jimmer. That said, I still don't like Marcellas. Don't like him in the game, and don't like him on Housecalls.
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