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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 7:04 pm
Beruthiel-- They could have broken that assumption in the first week. The expectation may have been there, but they could have proven the adage -- expect the unexpected -- and not been a team.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 7:08 pm
I don't think they tried very hard to break that assumption, Beruthiel.
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Kerster
Member
06-25-2006
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 7:16 pm
They could have tried to break that assumption, but everyone still would have believed they had a "secret alliance"
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 7:28 pm
I don't even think they even thought of not banding together. Doesn't seem like they thought of strategy much at all. (not including James.)
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Spangs
Member
10-07-2005
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 8:03 pm
Wow What, you laid it all out just the way it is!
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Willsfan
Member
09-04-2000
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 8:10 pm
Great post What555456
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 8:30 pm
great Post What555456! and as to the comment they were made to be one power! Um no they chose to be no one twisted there arm and Gee wouldn't it have been a good though let people believe what they want and team up with someone they never seen coming? Like the Kaysar,Will,Boogie suggestion. Somehow I don't think they went in this game saying to the others Look lets not be a sea 6 power
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Govols
Member
07-19-2005
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 9:20 pm
I think it is too soon to say that she wouldn't win if she were in the F2. She isn't giving up and I will not give up on her. There is no telling what Will or Dani are going to do. I have a feeling that Dani would even like to align w/Janie right now.
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Luvscoutii
Member
07-21-2005
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 9:45 pm
Janelle is an easy target for the house but I don't know that she's hated by them. People tend to find something they can band together and commiserate over. When Janelle leaves it will be someone else they'll be b**ching about. IMO James is the one that's spewing the most hate. By Kayser's own admission he was going to play with honesty/loyalty and Janie and Howie followed that lead (I don't know if it's because they are that type of person also or not as I stopped watching last year). They weren't the biggest threat because they only had 4 or 3(really that were completely loyal) so they didn't have the numbers. The other HG admitted to throwing comps early on so it's partly they're fault for putting their fate in whoever won HOH. They played the game they wanted to and it's obvious playing as honestly as you can will not allow you to win. I don't agree that that translates into "bad play". It's just not lying, cheating, and making multiple alliances. It's just a different way to play.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Monday, August 14, 2006 - 10:16 pm
Luvscoutii -- do you really believe that Janelle, Howie and Kaysar have played an honest game?
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Beruthiel
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 1:57 am
I give up. I don't have time to analyse and debate... takes me too long to post as it is, with my lousy typing skills, and I have too many chores on hold, and I don't really care that much who wins, anyway. See ya! 
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Linkers
Member
08-11-2006
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 5:05 am
Kaysar has admited that hes lied in the game He lied in the game last year. I like Kaysar and was seriously pulling for him but that junk about him not lyin is BS.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 6:42 am
I agree with what Beruthiel said about the assumption that the four from last year were allied. I highly doubt people would have believed Will and Mike if they'd said they weren't a team and were playing separately. Everyone would have looked at the Season Six players with a jaundiced eye...believing them to be "playing" them if they'd tried cozying up to other players and declaring themselves to be playing solo.
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Beruthiel
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 6:47 am
Thank you, Ruperbear, that was exactly what I was trying to express, but I'm so darn tired of having to think of different ways to say the same thing over and over again, LOL!
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 7:03 am
Beruthiel, I understand what you said, I just don't know how much I agree. It's a "what if" situation. We'll never know what could have happened. I think that they didn't try very hard to not play as a team and they didn't even try very hard to recruit others to join them. I very much saw an "us against them" mentality pretty much from the get-go. If they had tried it differently, who knows how it may have played out? You could be right. They could have just been viewed with suspicion right from the start and still been a huge target. We'll never know how it could have played out. Would have been interesting to see. All Stars, to me, feels very much like BB6. The board is very polarized, with most people being on the Sovs, or at least Howie and Janelle's side. As Yogi Berra would say, "It's deja vu all over again!" I like it when different things happen. I, personally, am glad James shook things up. I like wondering what he will do next. I like hearing about Janie and Will flirting and wondering if they are playing each other and wondering how Howie feels seeing that happen. I like wondering if Boogie and Erica are for real and if CT has a secret alliance with Dani. I like anything that doesn't just feel like BB6 redux, because most of the time, for me, it does. Sometimes the board feels very hostile to me because I am not all "Yay Howie! Yay Janelle!" I try to approach it with humor and tact, but I probably feel much the way you feel, even if we are not necessarily rooting for the same people. 
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 7:30 am
Excellent post Hermi! I totally agree. Especially that most people are so rooting for their angel, Janelle. This season is too much deja vu of last year. (BB and this board!)
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:07 am
I don't look upon Janelle as an angel or perfect or any of the other superlatives that her detractors affix to her name to get a dig in at her. Maybe the people who don't particularly like her as a player feel overwhelmed by the sheer number of her supporters but as has been mentioned...it's only a game. I felt decidedly alone early in the season with my dislike of how the twins were playing the game but they too had overwhelming support but I never took the comments in their defense personally, against me. It really is a wonderful feature of this board that Admin and the Mods "temper" the volatility...remove too heated comments...that way we can all feel free to express our view of the game without feeling attacked. So, when people rebut a comment on Janelle, they are only defending their favourite...not getting a swipe in at the person who made the comment. With so many different views of what is and isn't good game play...vis à vis two-faced lying to and/or about other players and playing a 'clean' game, as an example...there are proponents for both types of game play...it doesn't make either the right one, just our own personal preference.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:10 am
I don't think Janelle should give up, any more than the 8 other HG's currently in the house who won't win. Giving up is for quitters....and love her or hate her, Janie isn't a quitter.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 10:48 am
She should never quit .... never give up!!!
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Kc103
Member
07-13-2004
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 10:55 am
It's hard to say if they'll vote for Janelle at this point or not if she's in the final two. It will mostly depend on who's sitting next to her I think. Some HGs might admire that she did hang in there and win competitions to keep herself alive in the game. Hard to say...
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:01 am
Janie for the win! Never say never.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:19 am
The odds are stacked against her but she should and would not give up. I am not holding my breath that she will win because I like oxygen too much. I don't think Janelle is perfect by a long shot, I just like the fact that she isn't a whiner and she is trying to have fun in that boring house.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:27 am
Janie should never give up! Plus i like that she's there-an interesting person to watch.
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Beruthiel
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 12:42 pm
It IS a 'what if' situation, Hermione, so for us to say that IF such and such had, or had not happened, then this or that would have occurred, is ludicrous. We have no way of knowing what might have happened had any one person done or said something other than what he or she did or said. That's why I believe such a discussion to be baseless, and that's why I argue that not one of the houseguests should ever give up. We've seen time and time again, especially in Janelle's case, that situations can reverse on a dime, fortunes ebb and rise on a daily basis, and none of us can predict how even tomorrow will turn out, never mind the end game. I also find it strange to be criticised for favouring one houseguest over another. That's my personal choice, as it it everyone's, and it's precisely because one of the houseguests is being thoroughly maligned that I post in her favour. We all prefer different styles of gameplay, and that's fine, who is to say which is 'right' and which is 'wrong', as long as it's within the rules of the game? Personally, I find Jame's methods to be underhanded, sneaky, and cowardly, and doubt that if he got to the end, that anyone would vote for him, but I don't argue that he should throw in the towel. Which reminds me, I should be slaving over a hot washing machine, so if I don't respond to any more posts directed at me, I'm not hiding, I'm just BUSY!
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Jandy
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 12:48 pm
Janelle should have been in F2 last season, but Ivette wasn't smart enough to realize she would have been guaranteed $500K taking Janelle over Maggie. Janelle will be out before F2 this time. too many people working against her
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