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Calimc
Member
07-15-2006
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:21 pm
Oh I don't think it was all for show. I watched those arguments and he was truly pushing for Diane and Jase to be safe. IT was a very dangerous ploy because they could've easily said yes. He was very persuasive. Janelle truly fooled him with her nominations. If he was really for boogie why would he be so mad that Janelle seem to throw the POV to Boogie. He was not acting I can see his acting this week and it is very tranparent. Those weeks he sincerely wanted Boogie and Will to go. I also saw the convo between Danielle and James when they decided to try and save Jase. Dani was truly getting nervous about Will and wanted to take him out. I think to say that they were just acting is giving them too much credit specially when there was nobody else around.
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Calimc
Member
07-15-2006
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:28 pm
We really can't tell how others feel about these alliances from a CT convo cos they dont relaly know everything as well. For instance, I don't think they knew that Dani was actively working to get Will out instead of Jase. They could be talking about the alliance they formed last week. I do think there is some communication between these people outside the house but not a really firm alliance. I know that it was just last week that the confirmed the alliance by naming it. I remember James saying it's not a real alliance unless there is a name.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:32 pm
So Calimic, you think then that Lisa totally lied in her chat??? Or made up the alliance?
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:34 pm
I don't think pre-show alliances affect the outcome. There's too many variables going in. At any time the floaters could have stepped up and turned the game on its ear.... ...now don't laugh... it COULD have happened... maybe... possibly..
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Luvscoutii
Member
07-21-2005
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:39 pm
But we know that the DR influences people. There was that conversation between Jani and Howie in the BY I think a week or so ago with Howie saying if the DR people would shut-up it would make the game easier (then he gave an example) before it went to flames.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:43 pm
Well I've never thought that much of Lisa (based on how she acted on her Season) so we won't go there. Sure she could have made it up. But even if she didn't, I don't really care. Alliances are made at the start of shows and fall apart all the time. Remember the ridiculous first alliance in BB2 of the people who gave up on the first challenge the earliest. Now there was a great alliance. 
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Bblovergirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:45 pm
I really don't think it matters if they had pre-show alliances or not. Why is it different than the Sov6? Because they were friends and naturally would stick together? That still makes them a dangerous force - if they played the game smarter. I seriously doubt the game is fixed and an alliance between Dani, Will/Boogie and/or James is not unbeatable. They are not a lock to win this game if Janelle/Howie wise up. If Janelle or Howie wins HOH, Dani is going up. She could very well be up with Will or Boogie. I just don't see the big deal about a pre-show alliance. I think when you get inside the house, it's a whole new ball game.
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Luvscoutii
Member
07-21-2005
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:55 pm
How come for the shows the producers do not portray the HG more equally or at least show both sides? If it's fixed with the producers knowing about and/or pushing something then it changes the show. Especially if the DR is influencing people then it is a big deal. It's not just "chance" or strategy anymore.
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Luvscoutii
Member
07-21-2005
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:58 pm
Some of the "competitions" are suspect with perhaps favoring HG. On the veto competition not only did the HG not know anything but neither did the viewers. It could have easily been picked by the producers as to who they wanted to win the veto and how they wanted to influence the game/house. I'm probably reaching here but it was just something I was thinking when I watched the show. But as I've said before I like a good conspiracy theory.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 3:09 pm
If Kaysar wasn't on the block leaving tonight and was safe for several more weeks...If Janelle had won HoH this week...if S6 had stayed in power... There's an argument to be made that S6 came in with the numbers and if they had played the game and won a couple floaters over...Then this discussion might never have come up. I never read or heard anything about this until the S6 started losing. And I will still wait until after the vote tonight to see if the S6 have lost and never had a chance.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 3:29 pm
Nick, the chat with Lisa was way back on July 18th WAY before the Sovs started losing. It has been discussed and speculated on, but last nite was the first time I personally heard folks in the house refer to this alliance existing which to me put it on a different level. And I know others have heard earlier references as well. Let me clarify how I feel this is VERY different from just coming in and making alliances. There are several factors. Since this is all-stars, most know each other. So unlike the typical alliance where you bond in 2 hours, get to know each other and change your mind, folks here knew who they were dealing with. So any early alliance be it in or out of the house had much more power of working and sticking together. Then factor into that how it was agreed these folks would not speak much in the house and appear to not get along. That is inserting spies into various groups. THAT to me is how this is much different than a typical game alliance. CBS/Shapiro etc clearly viewed it as a big enough problem to put it in their contracts that they couldn't do this. Of course they blew it by going for the pre-show press and announcing who all was going in making it super easy to really solidify this. If we keep seeing certain HG remain safe then I think it will prove that all other strategy is just for show/safety etc unless BB does something which sadly is unlikely. BTW I reread Lisa's log (which I hadn't done in awhile) and now I'm not so sure Dani wasn't a sub/late addition which makes me wonder who all is involved. And I forgot that EWWWWW the Robe is part of this too. Of course the "ifs" can affect things thankfully, but what I feel it can't change is the overall game plan. Trust me I would love to be wrong but I don't think I am. BTW the "ifs" are why we see folks making fake alliances to try to protect their butts incase one of the alliance members either isn't in power or can't control whoever is.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 4:21 pm
LURK and anyone else....That Boog Will late night strategy session was caught on Live Feed Captures. I saw it posted by Hamsterlady. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcaRybSJ_Ek&mode=user&search=
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Luvscoutii
Member
07-21-2005
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 1:41 am
There was a conversation that Howie had with Erica in the backyard about Howie pointing out James doing the ultimate betrayal. That he kept Dani safe and Dani kept him safe. He also made the comment that he's sticking with his pre-game alliance... I think it could be throwing a wrench in the whole possible "fix" because Jani has one so many HOH & PoVs. It could fit with a reason that BB isn't showing Jani in too positive a light. **I'm not saying that I necessarily believe this but I think anything is possible and when Howie made the comment it made me think about this thread.**
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 4:56 am
Sigh the alliance that looks like it is going the furthest is Will and Boogie, Face it this is all stars even not including James we could say sea 6 had 3 say James had diane etc etc. It shows no matter who knew each other before made a difference. Will and Boogie came in together everyone Knew it. They say Put me up they say we lie and yet sea 6 and floaters are taking each other out. So numbers don't matter, neither does pre game plots
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 5:46 am
Yes, but the thing is, I think that they lie to each other OUTSIDE the house as much as they lie INSIDE. Lisa may well be relating an understanding that she was led to have, but that is not to say that that ever would have really worked that way. Prior to the show they probably speculated on all kinds of alliances, but did not know who would make it into the show.
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Emurph
Member
07-26-2006
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 7:22 am
Pre-show Alliance--Is the Outcome Fixed? Yes to the final four. I feel that the way the Legion of Doom came into the house with a pre-set series of plays. James is the utimate traitor with his lying, spying, backstapping ways. He swore on Sarahs life, and admitted that he has been lying to the S3 from Day #1. He set them up to get them out, so that he and the four can coast to Victory in final four.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 9:00 am
Emurph couldn't agree more. Have you seen my "James is Sov poison" rant?? I just can't stop repeating it, but won't post again unless you've missed it lol. My feelings are because he couldn't just be semi-human and say "ok look you guys do your thing I'll do mine" but went in with the full intent of not only playing his own game but destroying the Sovs as revenge, he, combined with any alliances, to me meant the Sovs had NO chance walking in. GRRRRRRR. Ok so I ranted a little hehe...can't help myself on this topic. I adore Janie and Kaysar and want to wring James lying neck. I just can't believe Sarah totally knows and supports this plan as she said. BLECH--sure lost respect for her!
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 9:04 am
This entire thread is based on the premise that, like previous years, the rules this year also prohibit pre-game alliances. This may not be true. Indeed, it seems to me that it would be almost impossible to have stopped them, given the fact all of these people seem to travel in the same circles and know each other pretty well. It also seems clear to me, as was pointed out above, that there is clearly more than one pre-game alliance. Perhaps part of the strategy of a game which brings in people who now each other is the creation of pre-game alliances. Now, whether they would hold up under the pressure of the house is another matter, which is part of playing the game -- holding your alliance together and keeping them from being voted out is not an easy thing as Sov6 has and is finding out. I don't share the frustration here. I am much more frustrated by an apparent bias by BB to possibly keep Will and to definitely keep Janelle in the game.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 9:16 am
What, the HG have said NUMEROUS times that it is in there contract there there can be no pre-game alliances. So that is based on fact not assumption. It is why, after the game, Diane refused to confirm Mr. & Mrs. Smith (but wouldn't deny it either hehe). That's why Lisa would say something--she's not a HG. But the others would be open to lawsuit if they blatently admit it. However I feel given several of the house convos, combined with how they match the info Lisa gave out here (where the HG's can't read), if CBS wanted to make a case and prove those HG violated their contracts it likely would be pretty easy! So this thread is based on FACT not premise. I would have clarified that if that had been the case.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 9:26 am
But then Lurk....then they would have to take into account ALL hg's and the notion that Season 6 had a pre-game alliance by default. Then we get into the argument that why is it ok for some of the hg's to have done it? I think every one of them, with the exception of George, had some kind of deal with somebody.
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Georgiagirl
Member
07-27-2006
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 9:46 am
Well, I'm not a lawyer, but this is my thinking: The ones who went in the house didn't know for certain that they were in fact chosen, at least that's the way it seemed. So, while there may have been talk amongst certain players, the fact that they wouldn't have known for certain if they'd even be there, how could they form a concrete alliance? It'd be more of "if you make it and I make it, we'll have each other's back" sort of thing. Which, in my opinion is no different than Howie, Janelle, and Kaysar. Even if they did discuss it before the show, with no definite knowledge of whether they'd be in the house or not, CBS would be hard-pressed to prove anything. Unless they disclosed to the houseguests that they were going in ahead of time - if so, that's their own fault and false advertising, if you ask me. Also, if those 3 had played things differently in the beginning, at least one of the 4 (Dan, Boog, James, and Will) could easily have been evicted by now, if not more. So, how is it set up for them to win? Seems to me that Season 6's gullibility is not a reason to throw out the whole season. Yes, they may have been duped - seems like they were for one reason or another, not necessarily pointing to a pre-show alliance, but.... Ok. So, that's supposed to happen, right? People are supposed to get played. If it was the other way around, and Will and Boogie were eating out of Janelle's and Howie's hands with Jan and Howie snickering about it later, would this be an issue? Would for me because I don't like them this season, but only for that reason. Just my thoughts, anyway.
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Weeniewhiner
Member
07-22-2005
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 9:54 am
To me, it's a fact that the HGs SAY it's in the contract. If it's true and BB believed the HGs were violating their contracts they should have removed them. By leaving them in there, BB has given their tacit approval of the infractions. BB doesn't seem to hold back from their "no singing" and "no talk about non-released persons" rules. If BB is picking and choosing which rules to follow, as long as they are doing it to each HG equally, there shouldn't be a problem. C'mon, BB knew that Mike/Will was an alliance before they entered the house! I don't see BB saying at the end of the contest that they're not awarding any money because the HGs didn't follow the rules. By not ousting the pre-inhouse alliances, BB has essentially said they're letting that rule slide. Hmmm, I just thought of an exception to what I just wrote. Maybe Nakomis can win the money by suing BB because they didn't follow the rules and she's the only one that did! HAH!
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Ingrid
Member
08-11-2006
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 10:17 am
I believe this is the final BB & it's completely fixed to make as Will says "good TV". I don't think the Producers could get many of these players back in the house w/o specific contracts. Janelle is not this stupid. James is not this smart. It's well known that he has a lawsuit pending against CBS. CBS' Janelle bashing started from Day 1. Janelle isn't the intended winner, she knows it, and she's putting in time. From day 1, some HGs have played half-heartedly like they already knew the intended outcome, so why bother. Case in point -- Kaysar & Janelle. I believe they all know which week they're fixed to leave, & signed on for a specific $$ for that number of weeks. Erika is an employee of CBS & friendly with the Producers.... she should have been eliminated from competing based on a conflict of interest. She's still there. The comp's thus far have been so obviously rigged to suit specific weaknesses or strengths of specific HGs. If this were a fair game, no HG would get an advantage or disadvantage. The comp's would be completely neutral. This season is so bogus.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 10:27 am
Ingrid, much as I've always believed BB can, on occassion, play a heavy hand in BB-if it were fixed wouldn't Kaysar (by FAR the most popular HG) still be in there?? I actually was quite disappointed that BB didn't find some way to make that happen. My thoughts on why BB isn't doing everything is because at this point what can they do? Kick out those HG start again? nope Make a stink and ruin a bad show? nope. There was a time early on they might have been able to do something. At this point I feel there is nothing they can do. Sigh
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 10:36 am
James lawsuit? Whats this? I haven't read or heard anything about it. Do tell.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 2:55 pm
kaysar was popular last season and riding on those waves this season. truthfully, he appeared a fish out of water when trying to mastermind against Dani and Will. Glad BB let kaysar out of the game gracefully. To bring him back again would be awful for the guy. I think he had given up two weeks before he was ousted.
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Emm119
Member
07-12-2005
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 3:50 pm
http://www.sillyhamsters.com/ Did you see this clip...go down to the clip with Will, Boogie and Erica...it's very interesting. Of course, it could all be BS but still all very interesting.
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Elend
Member
06-23-2006
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 3:50 pm
It would be ridiculous to think any pre-show alliance didn't exist. Come on, it's simply common sense and these people all meet each other as part of one big reality TV "family". Why else would Jase and Diane not admit to a pre-show alliance? From my standpoint, almost all of these shows are fixed in one way or another. A couple examples - Terry from Survivor: Panama wins at everything and should have made the final two, but what happens? The final immunity challenge is based on balancing on water, and the two other people he's competing against have a serious edge, Aras, a yoga instructor and Danielle, a former gymnast. Too easy to see through that one. Amazing Race 7, Rob and Amber are on a plane to go back to the U.S. that has pushed back from the gate to complete the final leg and win the game, however, Uchenna and Joyce, who are much further behind than just a few minutes, are suddenly able to talk the airline into letting them board the same plane with Rob and Amber. Now whether you liked Rob and Amber is beside the point, the producers clearly influenced AA and that captain to let those other two board the plane because Rob and Amber would have won since they were on the last flight back to the states for that evening. BB is no different when it comes to influencing and "fixing" the game, like it or not. Where would the excitement have been if Janelle didn't win this last POV? Based on the fact they pushed a button to score points we couldn't even see, it's more than likely that Janelle didn't actually buzz in fast enough to beat Dani or someone else. It made great TV though right?
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Nutsy
Member
08-14-2001
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 6:10 pm
Erika said in the diary room tonight that she was just a simple girl from a small town named "chill" ...
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Carol_shelly
Member
07-07-2004
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 6:25 pm
I for one have no problem with pre-game alliances. They could have and should have done this. May the best man/woman win. (I can hope can't I?)
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Carol_shelly
Member
07-07-2004
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 6:47 pm
BTW I like surviour and Tar but I love BB and thats probably cuz of live feeds and you guys (Ya think?)
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Carol_shelly
Member
07-07-2004
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 9:22 pm
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 9:47 pm
I don't see how BB could have prevented them all from talking to each other beforehand considering so many of them become friends and stay in touch. And as smug as Erika was on tonights show, I couldn't help but think hmmmm, you slept with Josh which you got you on the show in the first place and now there's a chance Boogie slept with you since you're in casting at cbs to get on all stars . . . so how can cbs even begin to have a pretense that there isn't any inside chenanigans going on.
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