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Queenfish
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07-19-2006

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Queenfish a private message Print Post    
did yall know that bb winner lisa has reveal that she, and marci had a pre game deal with will and boogie. A secret alliance of 4. she thinks howie is now the 4th since she isn't there. she revealed this on a live chat, i heard, at joker.
qfish

Bblovergirl
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bblovergirl a private message Print Post    
Oh, say it ain't so

Kansafornian
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kansafornian a private message Print Post    
There are actually 4 guys and 2 girls. She said that one guy was from BB6. And it isn't James or Kaysar. She said one girl is on the block and one girl isn't.

Marc/Will/Boogie/Howie

I think (she didn't specify the girls):
Diane/Erika

Mandana4evah
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mandana4evah a private message Print Post    
I thought they concluded that because of Lisa'a comment that she didn't understand how or why Erika is in the house, that the joketress' presumed Erika was not in the secret alliance.

(i think i'm confusing myself)

Bblovergirl
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bblovergirl a private message Print Post    
It's got to be Diane/Marc/Will/Boogie and Howie/James. I'm not convinced it is Howie, could very well be James. If this is true, it's going to get a lot more interesting very soon. Marc is doing a great job of not giving that alliance away. I suspected Erika but from what I'm reading it's not her. Hey, maybe these HGs are ALL STARS for real.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
With Dani so determined not to vote Diane out, you could make an argument for her being the other girl. After all, what better cover than her and Marci's apparent dislike for one another?

And somehow it went last week from Alison being assured of staying to Dani suddenly being the one to stay. Marci oh so conviently allowed himself to be "persuaded" to keep Dani, after publically swearing to vote her out at the first opportunity.

Then CT so "graciously" agreed to go along, leaving two votes against Dani to make it look good.

Isn't it fun to speculate. Some posters are hating this possiblity, but most of them are BB6 fans. Since I do not really have a favorite this year, I love the upsets and manipulations that make the game unpredictable.

Alliet
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07-11-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alliet a private message Print Post    
This is why an All-Stars show sucks. All went in knowing each other or about each other and they were all supposedly phoning each other up prior to going in.

Queenfish
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07-19-2006

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Queenfish a private message Print Post    
I think it's great, and if no one suspects a thing, whew, finally gonna get good

Kansafornian
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kansafornian a private message Print Post    
Mandana - I felt that way about the possiblity of Erika being one of the girls as well (that she wouldn't have been because of Lisa's comments) but with her being so obviously with Marc and most liekly with Boogie that she may be one of the girls. Lisa also said there were 'backups' for all of them in case someone didn't make it in. I thought maybe Erika was a backup for Lisa since they kind of had the same style of play. That could also be why Lisa can't figure out why Erika is in there (instead of her)

Alliet - I agree it kind of sucks because they all have relationships. The only thing I'm enjoying (and hate because it's driving me crazy at the same time!!) is that it's too hard to keep up on who's with who and who's playing who!!

Chere
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08-10-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
Large alliances made up of strong personalities never work.

Nynana
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05-31-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nynana a private message Print Post    
I think since it has been admitted to and a violation of their contracts, something needs to happen to these folks. Maybe those in violation of their contract need to be on the slop diet for 2 weeks at least.

OR BB should out all of the *secret* allinaces so they all know who is up with who.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
I was gonna start a thread to discuss this and other alliances and the effect on the game. So not not sure if I should go for that here or start a separate thread. Yes/no? What???

But I really would like to discuss how all these pre-show alliances are affecting the game and other related stuff. Don't want to hijack thread BUT also I know the mods hate 10 threads where 1 will do so if you guys feel it's ok here please let me know. But got a post itching to write in me lol

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gina8642 a private message Print Post    
I'm confused how this works. So, you have a secret alliance but you never speak of it. So, how do you coordinate your votes with your co-horts?

If true, is this a violation of their contracts?

Nynana
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05-31-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nynana a private message Print Post    
I'm fine with it Lurk. I have been trying to figure out all the sub-alliances for days now.

Gina, Am guessing they targeted the order of who they would want out before going in, or right after going in so they knew who the 14 were but before live feeds.

They have said over and over alliances made before the show started was a direct violation of their contract.

CBS doesn't care if they cheat or not, they have never and will never do anything about it. CG and Will should be on the yucky diet too because of CG's having his arm in the slop during food challenge and they never said/did anything about it.

The more I think about certain things, the more I am convinced Will has scripted his parts and he shall not suff the slop at all this year, no matter what.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Is Queenfish around?? Even though as everyone always says no one owns a thread, I do try to be respectful and not twist it another direction unless the person who started it is ok w/it. But I WANT TO DISCUSS THIS NOW lolol.

Gina, best my aching head can tell you got the first part right. As for violation am sure it did, but if they don't discuss it how can Arnie etc prove it? Subpoena Lisa? lolol. More importantly what can they do to stop it. Too late, sadly to change HOW they set up allstars to prevent this. Wish they would come up with a way to someone mix things up that wouldn't help ANY alliances. Not sure how yet but my head still spinning from all of this BS.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
Lurk, probably a good idea to talk about it in here. I can change the name of the thread if that's Ok with everyone, to be secret alliances and their impact?

I think Lisa said that james was NOT in the alliance which left only Howie to be the one.

I think she also said Dani was NOT in it as far as she knew nor was janelle

but she also said that James is in his own secret alliance - and the feeds seem to indicate that that would be with Dani and Will????

ETA: I have changed the name of this thread and put a note in Queenfish's folder advising her of the name change :-):-)

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
lol well Jan since you got that purdy Mod dress on and IF you are will to take the hit/fall for it then Okey doke by me (see I WAS trying to do what you guys ask and not start new threads but didn't wanna be rude and take this OT to the broad pic). But iffn you say go for it, I will. ATTN MAD PEOPLE---see above hehe (sorry Jan lol). How bout this I will make my post soon and if folks don't want the name change could you just move that one to a thread w/that name cause that is exactly what I had in mind! Even better cause my dead brain couldn't think of the word 'impact' and I was using others not as clear/concise in my thoughts with same meaning so perfection! That ok?

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gina8642 a private message Print Post    
I still don't get how they can coordinate. They've been on camera and on microphone since they went into the house. So, it doesn't make sense to suddenly be quiet when the feeds go live.

They didn't know who would be in the house - although I'm sure they could have made some educated guesses. There was no way Dr. Will wasn't going in, but I sure don't see how anyone could know Boogie would be there. No one voted for him and IMO he's pretty boring. I think CBS just wanted to give Will a sidekick - but how could the potential HGs predict that?

I haven't subscribed to the live feeds this year, so maybe they are communicating - but there have been very few hints of it so far.

I guess time will tell - but if it is against their contracts, then they will probably never fess up.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
should be no problem Lurk as there are no spoilers in BB so spoiler alert isn't needed as a heading :-):-):-)

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
Isn't there already a "Phantom Alliances" thread? Do we need another one?

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gina8642 a private message Print Post    
Of course, if it is against their contracts - why is Lisa spilling. She claims to be great friends with Marci, right? Why would she put him in jeopardy like that?

The whole idea just does't add up.

I think lots of them were joking around with each other before they went into the house. Lots of "secret alliances" were probably hatched. But what we can't know is which ones were serious and which ones were in jest - and for that matter which ones were lies with one potential HG trying to mislead another.

We see double dealing going on inside the house all the time, I'm sure it went down outside the house as well.

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gina8642 a private message Print Post    
I think this is a good thread. I like the title now - it's to the point.

Vague thread titles are hard to follow. (I don't like opening up every thread and having to read the first 10 posts to try to figure out what it's for.)

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
lol that was my first thought when I saw 'spoiler' Jan but I wasn't gonna say anything. Almost lost a head over that here once so keeping it zipped as much as possible this year lol. And saw you were a busy girl while I was writing so will go for it.

Forgot about that phantom thread cause the one time I went into it, wasn't sure wtf folks were saying.

I want to try to figure out wtf Marci is talking bout here then will come back to post cause I be quite miffed here bout all this. Oh geez flames might be back soon lol

ETA totally agree w/ya Gina!!! Those type titles not to mention ones that are super specific drive me nutz. IE what do you think of how George sleeps (made up) versus You feelings on HG Sleep situations. But jmho as always lol

Chere
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08-10-2005

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
The thing that doesn't jive about the secret alliances is this: For example, if James is part of a known alliance with S6 and in a secret alliance with Danielle, Will, and Diane (or whatever combo that has been listed), who is he supposed to nominate if he becomes HoH. Knowing James he wouldn't win HoH this early in the game to avoid a conflict of interest, but as for the other HGs who are in known and secret alliances, will that not cause conflict and confusion. Bottom line, if a HG wins HoH and is part of several known and secret alliances only limits the number HGs they can choose from to nominate.

I know this doesn’t make any sense, but I can’t see the logic of HGs being in several secret alliances because it would only limit their opportunities and hinder their game. I also think large alliances are not as effective as 2-3 people alliances.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Ok will start my rant (I have several be warned lol) on this topic. I HATE what we have come to learn lately, both from in house talk, and online chats like those with Lisa even Josh's comments etc.

Here are my biggest complaints/concerns;

-If SO many secret alliances are in the house, then 3/4 of what we are watching both on the feeds and on TV is 100% BS. I feel cheated and used.

-It's unfair to HG. Bad enough to try to figure out strategy in the house, but when there are secret underlying plans they don't know of, they are wasting their time and all deals in their are useless.

-It's unfair to fans. This has me FURIOUS!!!! If I spend all night watching a strategy session only to learn it was done to act and confuse and never legit, I have wasted my time and my money having the feeds as it means NOTHING.

-I think BB needs to do something, just not sure what yet. Of course I doubt they will but I'm wondering if this isn't illegal in some ways. I would LOVE to see the laws of what constitutes reality TV and I would love more to see their contracts! But maybe they need to make it so every HG needs to name one other member in the DR that they will always remain loyal to or their winnings are cut in half. smoke some of them out. Not sure that is the best I can come up with, still thinking.

--I think to me the line they crossed was the secret plan so we will NEVER know why who is doing what or who to root for. It's one thing to go into a game with each others back, but another to have full blown game plans and to the death alliances that no one knows about.

-THIS ALL HURTS MY HEAD AND ISN'T FUN---to me BB is about fun, strategy, watching it unfold and this takes away from each of those things. It truly has me thinking of giving up on BB. If I am going to watch a scripted show, there are better ones on TV, where people won't be hurt since folks will be selling each other out here and others will never know why.

I HATE THIS!!!!