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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:32 pm
Chere, my guess is each secret alliance likely feels they are the only one and will secretly control the house. Well DUH. Then factor in all the BB friendships (that was my reference to BB1 Josh's chat), and it's all collusion, confusion and FAKE!!!!!!
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Mandana4evah
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:42 pm
Gina... It seems to me that a secret alliance would be easy to do. I keep thinking of my best friend and me and how easy it is for us to communicate without talking too much. We know each other and a certain amount of unsaid stuff is understood. I also think you only need to really discuss key issues, say a name or a vote, if you have a solid alliance. I could say in passing a LOT of stuff to someone who I know is on the same page as me. I do it at work all the time. I'm in the medical profession and while it's against policy to discuss privacy issues openly, we can, with very little input, because we know what we are talking about. (gosh i hope this makes sense) I also don't see Lisa putting Marc in jeopardy at all. As stated what can bb do to prove this? Also, noone in the house would know as they don't have access to Lisa's chat, so what jeopardy is there?
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Mandana4evah
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:47 pm
Actually Chere what you wrote made perfect sense, on a linear level. But this is BB and alliances are made to be broken. You can't take four people to final two. Two people can't win. Eventually every alliance will be broken up with only the tightest or strongest alliance prevailing *or* the best players. Either way works for me! Right now it's the GAME that is fun!
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Snoopsmom
Member
02-19-2003
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:48 pm
I'm not necessarily buying the "leaks" from Toni, Josh, or Lisa. There may be a few 2/3 person alliances, but more than that doesn't make sense. The original publicized plan was for 12 houseguests to go into the house. A pre-planned alliance of 6 people, plus substitutes would have been the majority of the household. Would be impossible to stay "true" to the secret alliance, or the fake alliance and not be found out by one side or the other. I believe their were friendships before entering the house, and maybe various friendly groups thought they would stick together, but once in the house it's a different story. More likely all this talk is sour grapes and a final grasp for 15 seconds of fame by those not asked to be part of All Stars, or that didn't get voted in.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:53 pm
Snoops then why name names and have the same ones come up over and over as linked? Plus of the ones saying this, I don't recall them in the past going out of their way to hang on to those 15 min or lying. That's why it seems SO believable to me.
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Mandana4evah
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 3:56 pm
Lurk, lol! I'm so sorry for your poor ache'n head! This reminds me of that scene in the movie "Parenthood" where the Grandma suggests that relationships are like amusment rides. Some like the marry-go-round and some like the roller-coaster. I LOVE the roller coaster! THIS is *my* fun of BB! I don't know anything! lol! And honestly, I find this all so delish! I love being drawn into their strat sessions only to find out I've been had, along with the rest of the contestants. I love being surprized at every turn. I love that there really is no solid foundation for any of the hgs to rely on. I just love the unpredictability of it all! But then again, I LOVE ROLLERCOASTERS!
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Snoopsmom
Member
02-19-2003
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:00 pm
Lurk, Josh mentioned names of people who were friends on the outside, but as I read it, didn't really name names of secret alliances. Lisa hinted at the big alliance, but didn't readily name names, made the chat participants guess and draw their own conclusions. Reading her chat, I thought she meant Kaysar was in right up until the end. When she finally said it wasn't Kaysar, that only left Howie. IMO only, I'm not a big Howie fan, but do think he places some value on friendship and has enough integrity to not be that conniving to Janie or Kaysar. That's what put the whole chat over the edge. Not seeking out the 15 minutes of fame before this is totaly different than feeling humiliation over being rejected. That's what I took from Lisa's chat, but again, JMHO.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:15 pm
I agree Mandana4evah, that folks who are close can communicate without speaking. I just don't think all these folks are that close. There's a lot of coordination that needs to occur for an alliance to work. There's also a lot of trust issues that constantly need to be hashed out. Look how Janie/Kaysar/Howie can talk a decision to death. Even Dani and her secret partner (can't remember his name) spoke at least once a day and figured stuff out. I can't imagine any of them quietly accepting a single code word or signal without explanation. The more folks in an alliance, the more coordination that is needed. Heck, at work I can't get three people to agree on anything for longer than a 60 minute meeting - then it all blows up. I also think Lisa has no clue about who is really alligned with who - she can't. She also seems like she's attention seeking. She's playing games and being coy. She's trying to get people to talk about her. I suppose she's suceeded. This thread is proof. So, I guess I think there could be secret alliances, but there is really know way of knowing who they are and which ones are real or not. I actually don't care if there are. It doesn't bother me like it does Lurk. CBS shouldn't really care either. They want ratings and they will put on the air whatever will get them the ratings.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:25 pm
Gina what I care about it is means that folks I like have NO shot period if it's true. It was a long enough shot for them before this. I also don't like feeing had, and that is how I'm feeling. Who knows how much of this will hold up but given how some decisions seem to have made NO sense it might explain somethings. Dunno. But I just want everyone to have a legit shot and not be ignorantly wasting their, and OUR, time. And Mandana maybe it says something that I HATE roller coasters lolol
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Cheeky00
Member
07-07-2005
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:27 pm
I think cbs should have said it's ok to try and form alliances before going in. It's the fact that they're not allowed to that spoils it for us if none of them are allowed to mention it. Who cares if they tell each other they'll be in an alliance? We all know what happens to alliances, so it really doesn't make any difference.
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Saggkl
Member
07-17-2002
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:59 pm
And the feeds show a lot less this year than they have in other years in my opinion. It seems that there are only two shots or one shot on all four feeds 90% of the time. i have wondered about that. Because there wasn't that much of a surprise on the Tuesday show. So they aren't saving things for tv like i thought.
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Cruzlvr
Member
11-13-2003
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:11 pm
Well I totally agree with Lurk. If this is all true I feel totally used and abused. LOL. I have had a sneaky suspicion since day 1 that there were several Pre-Game alliances made. I kind of thought several days ago that Erika had a secret alliance with Boogie and hence Will. I do think Di and Jase had an alliance before going in and Di knew she could pull Nak in once in the house. I also think that BB knew about these alliance before anyone went in the house and it was all BS about them not being able to talk pre-game. I think that was all a cover, plus even though BB said 12 HG, everyone (including the HG) knew it would actually be 14. It also wouldn't surprise me at all if BB actually contacted some of these people and said if you get in the house, we want you to have a secret alliance with ____. Fill in name. If you and your secret alliance get so far in the game (for example to final 3 or to week 10) then you will both get a bonus. Let's face with these guys money talks. And really they may all talk but how many really have a close friendship? WIll and Boogie because they are partners; Jan, Howie, Kay and James - but that is only because they were on last season and are in that "prison friendship" mode still, the common enemy against the FS and with all the popularity they have had since being out. But I believe that if BB told for instance Howie (camera hog) and James (who will do anything) that they would go along with it. They could explain it to the others after game, that it is what BB told them to do.
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Tnbrat4u
Member
07-07-2006
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:14 pm
they Di and Jase have said there was gonna be one on the live feeds heard it my self,so that shows it has and did happen
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:38 pm
I have not read this thread nor anything since Yesterday. In the chatters thread I read something about an expose of secret alliances by someone OUTSIDE the house. I also read people saying that it has ruined the show for them if the allegations are true. I thought CBS made it very clear that there were supposed to be no prehouse alliances. IF this tru, could the HGs in question be eliminated from the game? WOW that would be wild. Half the house removed and replaced with extras. Personally, I dont want to tknow about the supposed PREGAME alliances. It WILL ruin the show forme.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 5:39 pm
Sun, that is exactly how I feel now...that it DID ruin the fun/game for me. I feel like watching/rooting serves NO point at all. 
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Nynana
Member
05-31-2005
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:02 pm
I haven't heard about Josh's chat, anyone have a link for that? I totally believe that Lisa and Marci were in a chat with Will and Boogie, when Lisa didn't go in, Erika took her place in that alliance. I believe Dani and James have an alliance with each other and with CT. James is the only one I think that could pull off the alliance with CT and Dani and S6. Diane may or may not have been in it before the show started, I tend to believe not with CT. I believe Jase and Diane did the Mr. and Mrs. Smith thing and then got pulled into CT once in the game. I believe that K/J/H of S6 figured they had it locked up if they went into the house together and didn't need anyone else's alliance. BUT I also believe that K *may* be in with a Will/Boogie alliance and that is why the mock fight in the K/W chat on K's site. All that aside, the following are all in the same part of CA so it does make sense. Will/Boogie/Erika/Lisa/Danille <though I think she is more north>/Marcellas/Diane/then Howie in Ranchero something or other. So, that is what I think and it doesn't mean a hill of beans in the end LOL. What bothers me is that Will has said Boogie was in his contract or he wasn't going in. THAT pizzes me off. Then if all these CA people had an outside alliance and all are against S6 and all the older veterans know S6 hasn't had a chance to decompress...it just seems so not fair and that is what I don't like about it. Maybe they should not have put S6 back in for this one and kept it to the older veterans. Just my 
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:06 pm
Let me add to this... Our very own Pecker apparently gave Dani the word "Rosebud" to use on the show. It seems to me that very early in the game -- maybe the first or second day -- Dani got a few of the HG's to yell out Rosebud as well. It seems to me -- and I am recalling this from memory, so I may be wrong -- those who yelled out included Marc, Will and Boogie. Not sure there were any others. Could that have been a hint to all of us here at TVCH that the ones who yelled it out were all in a secret alliance?
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Mandana4evah
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:07 pm
Lurk and Cruz, I just don't get how this can ruin the show for you, unless you feel that cbs has already planned out the outcome, winner and all. I (my op) feel that so what if hgs formed alliances pre-show. All that planning is for naught unless somehow Arnie & Co manufacture the outcome. Now if Arnie & Co are doing that...yes I agree, I've been cheated. But, baring that, I feel if the hgs made pre-show deals, and *if* comps et all are on the up and up then pre-show deals are only temporary. The game still wins, being as you cannot predict human behavior. Am I missing something?
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Nynana
Member
05-31-2005
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:28 pm
What, I think Kaysar, Janelle and Erika all made shoutouts with Rosebud then Erika I did one for C1mag.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:35 pm
I don't understand all the angst over supposed pre-game alliances. Most of these people have shown they have the loyalty of a gnat. These supposedly secret alliances aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on. And we've all known the S6 had a pre-game alliance as did Will and Boogie, but no one reported feeling used and abused by that that I've seen.
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Kaykohl
Member
05-10-2004
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:38 pm
Lurk I also like watching/rooting serves NO point at all. It also makes me sad that Nak and George(not that I care for George) never really had a fighting chance.They were doomed from the git go.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:40 pm
Nyana to read Josh's chat (that to be clear does NOT name any alliances but DOES detail a lot of outside the house friendships, specifically for Erika but some in general), is on the realitybbq forum. You need to register to see it then when you sign in to the forum there will be a link there for that. I had saved a copy, think it's still in my mail. If so would be glad to send it to you if you want...but not 100% sure I still have it. And Mandana for me there are a few reasons. The top ones are, those that followed BB rules and didn't do that are not on an equal playing field. Because it is against the rules they won't speak of it, so we never hear strategy. Also, it takes away from a lot of the BB fun of seeing folks make and break alliances, discuss them, switch sides etc. Those are just my top ones. Also does make much of what we see feel fake to me, like folks are faking chats that I stay up all nite listening to when they know they are just lying and will change their mind. Feel that they used my time/sleep with fake gameplay.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:41 pm
ps...and what Kay said lolol
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:41 pm
I was the one that told Dani about Rosebud in that chat I saw when she was asking ppl to say it and I think she was just asking ppl as they came to the BY...no consipiracy to me Dani said she had talked to NO ONE before the chat
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 6:43 pm
last comment (for now) Prisoner the difference to me is everyone expects the Sovs and Woogie to be in it together. So that is an even playing field. But this would mean some folks are protected while others don't have a chance and they don't even know it. Making deals is useless, playing is useless. And I would think at least for now folks would honor it unless someone jumps ship.
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