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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 8:37 am
Mocha...I have a theory on that. I think folks who have never experienced prejudice against them don't fully understand how deeply it cuts, and can dismiss it more easily. That's not an insult, it's just they truly don't understand the pain it causes. Erika I'm glad to see you post that...like I said, I hope you learned. For me it's not about forgiveness, it's about us getting our lessons in life. Like I also said, I had far more of problem with Ivette's comments because she seemed to be filled with far more hate. And Ryn, I've never been on a TV show but I am still accountable for my actions. HECK I had one of my college roommates mention something from back then recently. COLLEGE for crying out loud. I don't even want to admit how many years ago that was lolol. But I am a totally different person. The problem is we ALL, tv show or not, are accountable for things we say and do in life. And yes I totally agree people need to forgive, forget, move on. But I also think people equally need to be accountable for their behavior in this world. I know I have been DEEPLY hurt by things that have been said about me, and what hurt far more than what was said was that far as I know to this day those people have never once owned their words. So I think not addressing things is equally as frustrating as never letting something go. Life, to me, is about balance, learning, growing and getting on. So I think it is quite fair to have mentioned this, just as it is quite fair to hear Erika say she was sorry and hopefully has learned. And I don't think just being on TV should exclude that either...just as it shouldn't be a reason to forever tear someone apart. JMHO One last thing FWIW I like Erika and always did. Doesn't mean I like everything about her. Also if you recall I ADORE Kaysar...and I think that boy has a lot to learn too. So having an opinion is not always an attack, and certainly to me no reflection on if I want them in the game or not. It's just an opinion on one part of them. I want the people who are going to be the most strategic, the most interesting to watch (ie not 370000 hours of sex talk or card play) and hopefully who I like some too. Whoever falls into that list then I hope they make it in the house!
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 8:38 am
Since I am white, maybe my opinion isn't ever going to be held as valid by people who are minorities...but...I honestly don't believe that when someone calls another person a <55> or anything else of that nature, that it is any less damaging. I love ya' Mocha, but if you called me a <55>, our friendship would be over before the word was finished.
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WoodpeckeŽ
Member
07-16-2002
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 8:39 am
One isolated comment does not define a person's character or true feelings, in my opinion. A pattern of decent behavior can not be destroyed by one anger induced, off the boat comment. Not a factor in my mind at all. Have fun in the house, Erika. Remember the Camel.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 8:47 am
pssst...remember to say weiner...
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Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 8:48 am
Most of us forgive you Erika, everyone makes mistakes.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 8:48 am
lmao hukd!
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 9:56 am
I believe forgiving someone who has committed an horrendous act, or who has said something "unforgivable" doesn't mean you've forgiven the action or the words. Forgiving Erika for saying those horrible things doesn't in anyway condone her actions. JMO If God forgives her, which I believe He has, who am I to disagree?
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:11 am
Let me just say, people DO change. I used to say things and laugh at jokes about a group of people I was just plain ignorant about. Then I got to know someone from that "group" and everything I had once said was something I to this day, will still call someone out on saying. I went as far as demonstrating for people in this group with many people of that group. I changed. I'm forever changed. It happens. I'm sure Erika learned from her mistake and ignorance since it's been brought up so much to her. From all other things I have seen and heard from Erika, she's a sweet person. Maybe you'll never forget what she said, but don't think she couldn't or didn't change. I for one can tell you it's more than possible. FWIW
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:19 am
Question...am I the only one that thinks this one issue is getting blown WAY out of proportion? Because a couple of us didn't care for one comment and still feel that way is in no way (at least for me) any major attack on the Erika of today. I like her actually. But regardless of that, seems to me this is just being made into much more than it is. JMHO.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:23 am
I vote we drop it 
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:23 am
I second that!
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:27 am
WHOOPS mighta been guilty of that "fixing" problem Karuuna mentioned lolol....but YAY! BTW I am not trying to shut anyone up, would never disrepsect anyone like that...I just think it was a fair discussion that is sooo over lol. So here's a new question...why is Cowboy invited back in the house and Jack's not? (per Erika's chat comment so I'm not off topic hehe). I SO don't get that? Blasted Arnie!
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:29 am
I don't know Lurk...seems strange....wish we could find out more, but not sure how?! 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:38 am
Sadly, I think the reason that Cowboy has been invited back and Jack isn't is that Cowboy provoked a greater fan reaction that Jack did (or at least AS and company think so). Note that I used the words "fan reaction" because I don't think that Arnold and all care about whether the reaction is positive or negative. They simply care that the fans are engaged. Personally, I didn't find Jack's game to be particularly interesting, although he did seem to be a nice intelligent guy (LOL - I'm not implying that I found Cowboy's game interesting either). However, that may not be fair in that the other problem that both Jack and Erika had that year that Erika hopefully won't face this year, is that the Season as a whole wasn't very good. That probably did a lot to constrain both of their games. There were very few things that I liked about that Season. I'd like to thank Erika and Jack for making it as enjoyable as they could.
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:45 am
Erika, I hope you get into the house and good luck!
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 10:54 am
Nice to see you posting here, Erika. I enjoyed the chat last night as well. Hope you do great in the house. If you're still reading, I wanted to ask this question in chat, but it took me two nights to figure out how to get my name in, lol. Was Jack asked to do All Stars? Just curious. Thanks.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 11:00 am
From what Erika indicated in the chat last night, I believe he was not asked, but I'd have to go back and read the transcript to be sure if that was clear or not.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 11:15 am
This should be a non issue. The parties involved ( which to my knowledge involves only two individuals and not a group of strangers on a message board) have spoken to one another. There was an apology. The apology was accepted and those parties have moved on. Those still bothered by it need to get on that bus and also move on as well. Now about those bikinis.... C1mag on one cup of one of those bikinis. Thats all I ask. 
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 11:29 am
Thanks, Jimmer..I came to the chat late, as I layed down and dozed off. Too bad if he wasn't asked, because he added a lot of class to the show.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 11:38 am
C1...maybe she'll give ya one of the polka dots on one of the tops. Would that work?? Ordinarily that would be too small, but remember how much the BB camera guys like to focus on such things lolol And Cricket somewhere earlier in the thread is a link to the log of the chat. I haven't been able to get the chat room to load so I've had no choice. But it's up, and that's what I've been talking about that I can't believe they are saying past HG woudln't do it when Jack didn't get an invite and Erika seemed to imply he would have liked to. But go read for yourself! I hate to speak for anyone lol
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 11:42 am
I will go read it, but that is so wrong..to even consider the likes of Ivette, when they already have so many from BB6 and not even give Jack an invite. I'll bet Kaysar and some of the others might like to talk with Jack. He's so different from what they had to contend with last year in the form of Eric.
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Ryn
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 12:37 pm
Entire Chat can be read here - just another page: ../10972/3479873.html> Here is the portion related to Jack.... <SpyGirl> hukdonreality-TVCH: I'd like to ask Erika if Jack has given her any advice as far as who would be safe to align with <ErikaBB4> hmm.. <ErikaBB4> not really..I should call him!!' <SpyGirl> LOL <ErikaBB4> I think that jack loves rachel..but shes not on the list!! <SpyGirl> Along those lines... <SpyGirl> teachmichigan: I'd like to know how often you speak w/Jack, Erika -- do you know why he isn't in allstars? <ErikaBB4> don't know how much i can say... <ErikaBB4> but i know that he wanted to try again.. <SpyGirl> and you say if he was invited? <ErikaBB4> and that we were both so disappointed that he was not on the list <ErikaBB4> we speak very often.. <SpyGirl> know others were disappointed, too. <ErikaBB4> twice a month <SpyGirl> That's great after these couple of years! <ErikaBB4> it was fun to see him again..during the casting special <ErikaBB4> i miss him
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Ryn
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 12:39 pm
I THINK there was a larger initial list of 20 and they (CBS) cut the list to 20 - just my guess and I have no confirmation on it - but it would make sense where Erika says (above) that it was great to see him during the casting special (unless he lives in LA - I can't recall).
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 12:42 pm
He lives/ed in Alabama...unless he's moved. 
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 1:04 pm
Hey here's a conspiracy theory for ya...bet Ryn is right, that they had a larger pool and did a focus group--likely with a bunch of young, poor wannabee actors (cause who would need $$$ to do a focus group in LA--I remember doing them in college for easy cash). And not knowing BB or Jack they prolly ranked him low. And as usual BB paid no mind to who the true fans/viewers of the show wanted and so we get choices like Ivette and Cowboy BLECH. Erika if you are around any chance any of this could be true?? If you can't say may you can just not deny?? lolol But interesting eh..wonder who else we might have had other than Ali, Boogie and the others I've mentioned that NO ONE wants to see again!
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