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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 6:35 am
How is it Dan's fault? He's playing a game and he's certainly not interested in Danielle romantically. Danielle isn't just emotional and insecure - she is bat-shit crazy.
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Joyceellaine
Member
07-30-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 6:47 am
Danielle, has a nomance on BB and a nomance at home. Wow, how does she do it?
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 6:54 am
No one in that house should have to worry about Danielle's insecurities. This is a game played by strangers to win a whole lot of money. If this girl has such issues she should use her stipend and get some help, but Dan nor Shane should give up their game to her. What kind of girl comes into the BB house looking for love?...sick!!
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 6:55 am
Lexie-Because Dan uses peoples emotions to their advantage especially Danielle. I know it's gameplay BUT to me it crosses a line. It's cruel. Danielle does NOT have a Nomance. Shane has expressed interest then he backs down. He gives her mixed signals so it is NOT just in her head. Everyone sees that Shane cares for Danielle. Brittney really was starting to see it. Especially when he chose Danielle over her. Brit said Shane never hung around her BUT when she was shackled to Danielle she saw Shane more than she did ALL Season because Shane always wanted to be around Danielle it was NOT Danielle following Shane. This is just one example of many to show Shane has feelings. Honestly, I think Danielle deserves better.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 7:06 am
I don't think Dan has crossed a line with Dani at all. The only time he was even close to cruel was at the funeral, but he explained it to her immediately after, and in fact he was helping her - which she accepted with no hard feelings afterward. The social game involves getting to know the other players, building on their strengths and taking advantage of their weaknesses, knowing their motivations and working accordingly. Dan's doing it incredibly well. It's not his fault that they cast someone who would rather be on a dating show and is overly emotional (I think much of it by choice, btw - she loves any drama that puts her at the center of attention). When casting gives you lemons, you make lemonade.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 7:16 am
Lillian-I agree it is strategy but to me it crosses a line. What he did to her in the funeral was down right cruel. IF he had given her a heads up first it would have been different. I know he says the tears wouldn't have been real but he knows Dani is dramatic and she could act tears and pain. The fact is Dan actually got off on being cruel to her and I find that down right cruel. I don't care if it benefited her in the game it's still cruel. Game or no game these are real people with real feelings. I guess maybe I am just not cut throat enough but that's how I see it. PS: Shane also applied for a dating show before BB so he's not any better than Danielle.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 7:30 am
It's not a "fact" that Dan "got off" on being cruel to Danielle. If he was showing any pleasure after the funeral it was of course because he had managed to pull off a huge strategic move. Game is everything to him. But you do point out something important - she could have acted the tears and pain. Is that not emotionally manipulative in itself? Faking sorrow - or sad stories or illness - to gain sympathy and support from others? Danielle has been doing that all summer.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 7:36 am
Mary, the show is over in 10 days, and there're still is no romantic connection between Shane and Danielle. He is a grown man and he hasn't shown any signs that are more than just a friend, and has romantically rejected her. A one-sided romance is nothing. He will go back to Vermont and Dani to Alabama. They are not next door to each other. Shane has a life without Dani in a different state and will not go out of his way to hook up with her. He has been forced to live with her in the game. The men have all comforted her at one time or another, yet you aren't calling that romantic, because it isn't! Shane might need Dani's vote if he gets to the end, so he is being decent with her, that is all it is. There will be no tongue and no make out session between them. Eventually you will see that.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 7:39 am
Mary, Men are not attracted to insecure and emotional women, and by your own words, that is what Dani is.
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Joyceellaine
Member
07-30-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 7:41 am
Shane, is also cruel to Danielle. He seems to find pleasure in playing with her emotions. She needs to get away from both of them.
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Emm119
Member
07-12-2005
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 7:42 am
Jumping in with my 2 cents worth. I'm not sure why everyone gets down on Dan for playing the game. Maybe it's because he's not playing it the same way he did last time. I didn't like the way he was edited on the show last night either. I guess he's not AG's favorite this year either. As far as Shane is concerned. He's using Dani, plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, I think Daniele is letting him. BUT, if Shane was truly interested in her, things would have moved forward and not been in idle all these weeks. He sees her as someone to move him forward in the game and that's it. That's why when he pisses her off, he does something to bring her back into his arms. I have a feeling that when she was younger, Daniele wasn't a popular kid. She's very very insecure now and wants the attention of everyone at all times. The way she sits while sunbathing, looking to see who is watching, walking around with a towel to get a reaction. I think by now most of the people in the house would look at her as a sister and wouldn't approve of their sister walking around with everything hanging out (and this includes Shane).
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 7:47 am
Lillian, I agree with your assessment completely. Dan wants to win for his wife and family, not for Dani who he just met on a game show. Whatever he does to get to that point is justified in my book!
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:10 am
Odd that the world hated Jonny Fairplay (Survivor) for saying his Grandmother had died but they think Dan should get an award for faking his own BB death.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:11 am
Well everyone knew that Dan hadn't really died since he was standing there talking to them. Right?
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:13 am
We knew Jonny's Grandmother hadn't died either.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:17 am
Dan didn't claim anyone had actually died.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:19 am
Toolhound there's no comparison. Dan was absolutely on death's door in BB terms, and he used that situation to put a plan into action to save himself. What Johnny Fairplay did was a simple trick to get him a break in the game, and a bit of sympathy. And I for one applauded it - there are no rules against lying in Survivor or Big Brother.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:20 am
Sorry I respectfully disagree. Here's how I see it. Dan was cruel because he knew he was getting real emotions of sadness, humiliation by calling Dani out at his "funeral" without giving her warning. He played with her emotions early in the game as well by telling her he was no longer her coach and she was on her own. She went into the DR crying. He told her after he was kidding to light a fire under her while she was on the block. That was unneccessary and so was this cruel stunt. I believe Dan gets off on being cruel. I have no issue with people lying in the house, exaggerating their home, dating life ect, making up lies about their life or having fake emotions in the house at all. BUT when you bring in real feelings and purposely hurt someone as Dan did to Dani to ME it's crossing an ethical line that I just couldn't do and I have NO respect for it. Is it a way to play and maybe win? Sure but to me no money is worth that. Now I admit I am perplexed by Shane & Danielle. BUT I still stand by the fact that Shane has true feelings for Danielle and she for him. Will they date outside the house? Will it last? Who knows. Dating is always a crap shoot but I honestly feel they will give it a try. I think Shane came into the house saying in his interview "Southern girls are my downfall" "I promised my MOM I wouldn't have a Showmance so there won't be a big target on my head" Shane is in extreme debt and his family is struggling. He NEEDS the money so bad. I think he was attracted to Kara but she left and he had a small attraction for Dani and he figured he could use her to help get him to the end because he saw she was love hungry and was attracted to and interested in him. SO I think he thought he could "play" her. I think that's how it started BUT Shane is overall a decent guy wouldn't make out with someone he wasn't really interested in even if for just the game so he stayed distant. BUT I think overtime he started to develop stronger real feelings for Danielle than he planned on. Which is WHY we saw him massaging her, kissing her neck, kissing her twice, cuddling with her ect. I think he realized he was developing feelings and backed off again because he promised his mom and didn't want he & Danielle to be put on the block together because he would be voted out. Also I think he's just as insecure as Dani (He constantly talks about how he feels fat) and he has mentioned he was hurt in a relationship and cheated on so he has real trust issues as Dani has as well. I also think the cameras make him very self conscious so he has trouble "making out" with cameras around. BUT he also trusts Dani and doesn't want to ruin their final 2 deal so he sees she needs affection so he throws her a bone THEN that in turn gives her the signal he is interested in more so it's a catch 22 for him. I think he wants to makeout with her but is terrified of stronger feelings developing and it ruining his game and creating a bigger target. I think he internally struggles with this. IT is NOT all Dani. He has shown he cares for her but not only initiating physical contact, but following her around (as Brit and Dan have noted), by voting to keep her over Brit, by making a deal to keep her & he safe, by ONlY making a real final 2 with her, by comforting her more than anyone did when Dan humiliated her, by saying only for the most part (besides an occassional complaint) nice things about Dani to everyone even in the Diary Room. NOW IF he found her annoying & had no interest he had plenty of time to get rid of her. He knows Joe is in his back pocket and he could have voted out Dani and kept Brit and Joe with him and made a final 2 deal with Joe BUT he did NOT because besides needing Dani in the game he has devloped real feelings for her. IF they both remain after the double evic (and I think they will) then I think soon we'll see some makeout sessions. NOW Do I think Shane & Danielle would have a healthy happy long relationship together? Probably not but there are plenty of dysfunctional relationships out there in the world and many last so who am I to judge? We all have issues BUT BB brings out your issues 10 fold. So I feel bad that Dani's insecurities are showing so much and I hope for her sake Shane grows a pair, makes out with her and just let things play out as they are naturally meant too.
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:32 am
Dan could have just went to Frank and told him his story and swore on his wife without all the Funeral BS. That is what I hate about Dan everything he does has to be a huge production. I also don't like that he swears on his wife and now thinks nothing of it as long as he can win. Not the strict Catholic he pretends to be.
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Yankeefan1955
Member
08-01-2008
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:34 am
Nothing in the Catholic church states you can not swear. Just do not take the Lord's name in vain.
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Dawn
Member
07-24-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:36 am
did you all see dani's face when britney was put on the block next to her?? emotionless. even though dan's 'funeral' happened before that, dan knew that's exactly how dani would act if she knew what he was going to do. dani knew britney was going on the block, she couldn't fake the sadness. i'm surprised britney didn't see through that.
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Dawn
Member
07-24-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:37 am
and that's what confessions are for yankeefan ;) dan has an out, he can just go confess all his BB sins once he's out of the house lol
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:37 am
I think you're on to something, Mary1971.
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Yankeefan1955
Member
08-01-2008
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:38 am
Dawn. LOL. I am sure that will be the case with Danny Boy.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 8:48 am
Dan's funeral was entirely necessary - everyone knows how people gossip and spread stories and how they change with every telling, so the best way for Dan to get across his messages was to get everyone together and say what he had to say once. It was also very important for everyone to hear what he wanted to say about everyone else, including making a public and credible show that he and Dani weren't working together, to protect both of them. Calling it his funeral was an excuse for a house meeting, and put them all off guard by saying to their faces and in front of everyone he knew he was the target and he was going home. It's so easy for everyone to talk behind people's backs, but a lot harder to their faces, and he knows that. And, it threw everyone off and caused them to question everything, at the exact moment when Dan needed them to do just that, and he was ready with alternatives. If that hadn't happened, Frank would never have been open to taking up Jenn's offer to work together and take Dan of the block, the key objective of Dan's plan. AND, it was a huge big memorable move that could well win him the game.
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