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Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, August 03, 2012 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
It's time for strategy.

What we think of their game.

Why, they are going in the direction they are.

What's behind their planning.

NOT if you like or dislike.... but what you think they are thinking.

Time to get in their head.

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Friday, August 03, 2012 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
I wish Jen would get more camera time so I can try to figure out her strategy

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, August 03, 2012 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
As of today

Boogie knew about the coaches coming in, yet he wanted out with his 3 players still intact and Brit, Dan down to 1 and thinking Janie down a player....He's lazy and wants others to do his work...He's good at the crafty stuff but tends to ignore the little people in the game.

Janie is all game with little notice too females, only wanting other strong players out.

Britt is still Britt....hiding behind strong players, control freak and going to go down the same slope she did before.

Dan will try to bring Ian into the fold and I believe Ian wants to hang with Dan now.

Joe thought he could cook himself into finals not knowing that some of the HGs don't want family dinners...Joe will float as long as both sides can use him...He got scared this week and needs to hide behind strength or numbers.

Ian loves Dr.Will and is the reason he sorta likes Mike but he doesn't trust Mike at all..I see him gravitating towards Dan.

Frank also wants to be Dr. Will but he's not..Boogie has the closest thing in Frank at the loss of not not getting closer to Jenn and taking Ian for granted.

Jenn could easily drift towards Dan if Dan puts in time...Jenn is a vote, alone and NOBODY is thinking about her....We need to see some conversations she has.

Dani can't find her way out of a paper bag....Needy, constant attention, others will use her.

Shane has been lucky...He is powerful and the others need to hide behind him..It will be interesting to see if he drops Britt which he will but he is sorta weak in social and lying...Wants to play nice in a game not so nice.

Wil...Drama, wants to beat Janie to his detriment when both could easily be fan favorites and bounce off one another...Instead we get arrogance.

Ash....My, my, my......They all under- estimate her....She's stealth.

Marksman
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05-04-2007

Friday, August 03, 2012 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marksman a private message Print Post    
I want to believe Ash is stealthy, lol.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, August 03, 2012 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Csnog, after looking at her bio, I agree with you about Ashley. She is only 26 (I actually thought she was younger), and started her own business in the LA area. And she moved to West Hollywood. (I'm assuming on her own, or at least without her parents, because she mentions being proud of that in her bio.) Pretty gutsy for someone from Pittsburgh, PA.

She also said it's her strategy to be the dumb blonde, and she has acting experience.

For those reasons, I think she is a big threat to win, a threat the others don't realize.

I just hope she doesn't hurt Ian somehow. She doesn't seem the type to lead him on, however, that seems to happen often in BB. I can see a situation where they both make it far in the game and Ashley having the opportunity to advance further if she plays on Ian's crush on her.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Saturday, August 04, 2012 - 7:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
To me the most mind-boggling is Wil. I can't understand his rejection of Janelle's help but worse telling everyone he doesn't like her. If that's how he feels he should try to use diplomacy and 'gently' explain to Janelle his fears and doubts but still hear her out. To reject someone who's trying to help him out is absurd in a game like BB.

Another mystery is Jenn, is she even playing this game? Why is everyone ignoring her? Why is she flying so under the radar without anyone taking notice?

Ian could be either a surprise or a flop, in the sense that he could be brilliant or just too naive for this game. If he doesn't show his 'so called' knowledge of the game I'm prepared to believe he was all talk and no action...

Frank is doing it all wrong, by sticking with Boogie he's cutting hinself off from other potential alliances and he has either to win POV or start bargaining without Boogie, he should approach Dan, Shane and Brit to offer his alliance and that he's dumping Boogie, it could work, otherwise he'll be gone soon.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Saturday, August 04, 2012 - 6:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Dan is the master strategist so far, imo.

He set up the entire dynamic this week by telling Boogie about Frank's canceled blindside. I'm still not sure what would have happened if he had not said anything. But I think in Dan's mind he needed to tell Boogie up front as Boogie is key to his game and he needed to risk telling Boogie in order to move past the 'betrayal' so they could work together in the future. Dan seemed really upset in the storage room last night that he'd underestimated Boogie's rationale gameplay abilities.

Ideally, I think Dan is trying to work it so he and Boogie are F2. That way he's next to anther past winner who is liked less than himself.

He admitted to Boogie that he had to hit the reset button because 'his girl' was never gonna win the game. (lol)

He's working like a DOG to make sure each coach stays, that the target on them is as small as possible, and that each coach has a newb as a 'fake pair' - Dan+Dani; Brit+Shane; Janelle+Ash/Wil; Boogie+Frank. The one question in Dan's mind is whether it's safe to keep Frank as Boogie's partner since Boogie may be more loyal to Frank than the other coaches - because Dan ONCE thought Boogie was smart enough to play without emotions and would see he would lose sitting next to Frank in a finale and so would eventually turn on Frank and end with the coaches. But now he's worried Boogie isn't playing 'logically' so Dan needs to decide if saving Frank (for a week?) may placate Boogie.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Dan is the master strategist so far, imo.

I agree. The coaches now have huge targets on their backs and he seems to realize that more than the other 3 ...and that they really have to play hard and a totally different game than if they'd never been coaches. He isn't emotional (like Boogie is about Frank and like Brit is being so annoyed most of the time). He also is a lot more flexible and adaptable than Boogie especially.

The newbies should be working hard to get the coaches out. I just don't get it. (And Jen and Joe and Ashley don't really even seem to be playing the game or strategizing at all, although, that is a strategy too.)

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Monday, August 06, 2012 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
There comes a time when you know the house is against a certain person.

Dan realized this, knowing that even though Britt said 50-50, she has bashed Janie to the end of time.

That clued him in, along with Ian wanting Janie out and a few other HGs stating it also.

There is no reason to beat a dead horse and put the spotlight on yourself...though it is, as the newbie's want Dan out instead of wanting Boogie out.

Janie is not the same player, because she now thinks of a baby at home so may not fight as much...The old Janie would push the Boogie-Frank love fest until the last minute on Thursday.

All 4 coaches lives have changed since their last appearance, while the newbie's are just that...NEWBIE's.

Seems they might have a backbone after all.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
So who is winning at this point? It seems to me that Dan is in a pretty good position though I think Janelle leaving may hurt his chances. I still don't know why they went with Frank and Boogie?

If there is any pressure from the DR to help Janelle, I guess we will see the effects of that later today.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Yeah on Sunday I thought Dan was good. Now, he's smart enough to sacrifice his support for Janelle, but I think he's gonna have to work much harder with Froogie in the game together. A lot of his game will depend on the new HoH.

It's hard to believe, after his droopy friday, but I think this is now Boogie's game to lose, barring twists and bad luck.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I actually do wonder if some of the newbies would actually want to take Boogie to the F2- the newbies will be the majority in the jury no matter what, and I don't think they'd want to see Boogie win twice...

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I guess it will also depend on how much the newbies dislike each other by the end of the game.

Jag2000
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07-01-2009

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jag2000 a private message Print Post    
I don't think any newbie has any strategy..we have no idea where Joe's head is at, Jenn Who doesn't say much and I have no idea what is in her head, Ashley is a puzzle..haven't seen her game yet, Ian is friendly to everyone but would like a true alliance with the HOH group, and who are Wil, Dani, and Shane going to hate on when Jani is gone?? I know they want Joe out next but with this group who knows.

Pinklady222
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07-16-2009

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pinklady222 a private message Print Post    
I don't know about anyone else, but I happen to think it was kind of smart for Britt to be outside drinking and playing and bonding...no game talk...just having fun...with those people everyone else sees as floaters and undecideds...Ashley, Jenn, Wil..because if one of them happens to get HOH next week...she's not going to be the first person that comes to mind at nomination time...jus' sayin'...

Everyone is always bashing Britt...but she seems to always be able to have fun with whoever she's with...and she cracks me up...probably an unpopular opinione, I realize...and I know she can be a real *&%# sometimes...but I still love her :-)

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 6:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
If Janelle's eviction goes down as planned, it really does change some strategy especially for the coaches.

I've heard more than once that no one thinks a coach can win next to a newbie. Still true?

If true, then each Newb should be thinking of the coach they will take to the end.

Dani really does want Shane as F2. But will Dani decide Dan makes a better F2 than Shane? And is Shane thinking he'd be better with Brit?

Frank is cool with Boogie as F2. Boogie has said he and Dan will be a better F2 if they can get that far; or will Boogie play with his heart and stick with Frank?

Are any of the other newbs even thinking that far ahead. Do the Rounders (Jenn-Wil-Ash) have any goals other than to react to the dominate players' actions?

Is someone smart enough to keep Joe around for an easy win?

Long ago, the great Sucks poster Sunsawed identified a pattern that worked successfully for a Final Four in Survivor: The Fox, the Bear, the Goat and the Bunny.

The Fox is the mastermind - in control; usually loses rarely in this alliance configuration. If s/he does, it's to...

The Bear - a Challenge powerhouse, but chosen even more carefully to be loyal to the Fox. Another loyal player is...

The Bunny - The Bunny is easy going, friendly, fun. S/he might be tough to beat at F2, BUT is easy to beat in the F4 competition, so the F3 contains...

The Goat - A player with obvious problems, easy to beat in F2.

BB All-Stars had a Fox-BEAR-Bear-Goat Final Four.

Sometimes, the role changes depending on who's paired. A Bear in one F4 combo might be the Goat in another F4 combo.

I would bet a million dollars Ian knows about this theory. I would LOVE to hear his discussion of this... he is the perfect possible Fox posing as a bunny-so far.

Dan-The Fox
Frank-The Bear
Boogie-The Goat
Ian-The Bunny

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 6:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Dani really does want Shane as F2. But will Dani decide Dan makes a better F2 than Shane? And is Shane thinking he'd be better with Brit?

Frank is cool with Boogie as F2. Boogie has said he and Dan will be a better F2 if they can get that far; or will Boogie play with his heart and stick with Frank?


Dani plays too emotionally to think about what's best for her game (which would have been an all-female alliance). If she is the one to have to choose between Shane and Dan, all it would take is a promise of a kiss and Shane wins the whole thing, since historically a female has never won when sitting next to a male.

Boogie may think that he and Dan would make great TV, but he's not going to risk sitting next to Dan in the final two unless they have a prearranged financial arrangement - while if he's sitting next to Frank and Frank wins, Boogie can still claim that it was his coaching that contributed to Frank's win. Plus it sounds as if he and Frank have preexisting relationship.

And no, no one is smart enough to keep Joe around for the easy win. This group does not think strategically.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
I never thought that Boogie would be okay with frank beating him since he could claim partial credit.

Personally, I don't believe the "coaches can't beat newbs." I think it's a fairy tale the newbs tell themselves for comfort, and the coaches are okay playing along with that.

Unless some major changes in gameplay happens...

I think Dan would AT LEAST beat Dani, Jenn, Ash, Wil, Joe.

Brit will beat them too.

Boogie is questionable. I think he'll beat Frank, but the animosity against him may determine it.

The fact these newbs haven't come up with an independent, strong newb alliance leads me to think they won't vote as a block either.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
So Silent Six back in charge this week with frank winning HOH. if i'm him i nominate Joe and then i take the other 5 in my group and Ian and ask for a volunteer or draw straws and put up 1 in my group as a pawn to hopefully avoid their alliance being totally obvious. this would still give them a 5-3 voting advantage. If joe gets off the block he still has jenn, ashley and wil to put up.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 7:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
I'm still not sure it's Joe as the target. Boogie will want a bigger move than that. I'm predicting either Brit or Dan goes up. Boogie is gonna run Frank's HoH, and I'm thinking Merry is right. he sees a frank win as credit to him and maybe he can even beat Frank.

My only question is if they are thinking about jury composition yet. In that case, maybe getting Joe out now is actually a good play.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
for whatever reason boogie has seemed to always been pushing for a joe on the block, plus i think its too soon (1 week) to go back on the silent six agreement

Wally
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08-13-2011

Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wally a private message Print Post    
the House (well, Danielle and others in her ear not named Frank or Boogie) played stupid with the Veto this week.

instead of getting rid of a powerhouse like Frank, thus crippling the Boogie-tine Empire, they booted a floundering Janelle.
(but then again, perhaps Shane and Dani feared the lesser players coming after them so they went with the power-bloc)

the Silent Six doesn't seem like a true alliance of solid equals. rather it seems a sham alliance engineered by the Boog-master to keep Shane & Danielle under wraps (which innoculates the Boogie-Frank side from them, but doesn't necessarily protect Shane and Dani from everyone else).

and you know Dan is just biding his time in it until something else shakes up as is Britney.

as it is, Frank with the HoH power this week will further decimate the weak, unorganized un-alligned.

so if you are Frank, who do you target ultimately this week?

do Wil or Ashley have any alliances?

is Joe flying solo at this point?

Jenn it seems is pretty much is protected by a happenstance no-one-cares about her bubble, having been on the former team Boogie.
as is Ian.

so the real wildcards within the alliance fold are really Dan and Britney, but they'll probably just ride it out until Final Four which is the smart move actually if they can do it without getting any blood on their aprons. (but you know Boogie would never let that happen and swap Brit out for Jenn and Dan out for Ian)
for Dan, this as close to an all-coaches alliance as he's gonna get anyway.

does Shane have any real ties to anyone besides Danielle? does she?

if everyone realized that Frank and Boog are totally vunerable if everyone put them in a corner (next week, whenever) and isolated them, then they might have a chance.

if not, Boog and Frank sail to the Final Two in a win-win situation for King Boogie most likely.

just musing. please add yer two cents of strategical thinkin', thanks!

Ark
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07-09-2001

Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ark a private message Print Post    
Here is an alliance flow chart that was posted on Twitter. While we try to figure out what Frank may do, this may help clarify alliances...or not.

http://twitpic.com/ahgo4z

Oops, wrong thread

Wally
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08-13-2011

Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wally a private message Print Post    
actually that alliance chart is very handy for discourse here, so thanks, Ark Ark Ark!

Ark
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07-09-2001

Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 8:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ark a private message Print Post    
Well it works for today. I'm sure there will be changes before this week is out.