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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 10:53 am
We often hear comments about Big Brother not being fair. Most recently, many people have been saying that it is unfair if the returning Coaches are allowed to enter the game as players. So again, my question is: Should Big Brother be fair?
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Wally
Member
08-13-2011
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 10:59 am
dunno if they should or could be fair or unfair rather, Big Brother should and could be more creative and smarter than it has shown itself to be over the seasons
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Tvwatcher
Member
04-17-2004
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 11:37 am
I don't think it bothers me so much when they do things like that - what bothers me is that they do it for ratings, which I think is unfair for the houseguests - if they did it just to mess with the houseguests, it wouldn't bother me so much - but doing it for ratings, that really bugs me!
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Buba1113
Member
07-20-2009
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 11:45 am
No. Just as life isn't fair.
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 12:00 pm
I don't think it should be fair to the players, but it should be fair to the viewers. Every year, the complaints are the same and it seems no one is listening, or they just don't care what we think. I guess in a way it's our own fault, we continue to watch.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 12:53 pm
Judging by how few posts there are this year, compared to other years, I'd say that more and more people are not watching. AG just has to continually mess with success with her lame, moronic twists.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 12:59 pm
Ha BB fair! never! BB will do whats best for their ratings and for their favorite players. as a viewer, i'm fine with the coaches coming back. 1- i think a lot figured they were coming back at some point and 2 they seem short on players. but if i was a player in the game i wouldnt be happy. stuck in team alliances that i may or may not of chose on my own, the coach probably will know way too much of there thoughts and strategies compared to a regular player. and whenever BB wants to do what they want to do, they just throw out the "expect the unexpected" phrase as their free pass
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Callasin
Member
06-21-2005
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 1:09 pm
From what I read on various message boards I think many viewers including myself like to have a basic understanding of the rules. They don't mind a few surprises as long as the basic rules still apply. They want BB to stick to the rules and punish those who break them. The rules don't have to be fair but people want to know what those rules are and see all the housemates made to follow them equally. Constantly changing the game, especially when it seems that it is done to favor a housemate or alliance bothers me. For example I had no problem with intruders being brought in later in the game for BBAUS because it was a known possibility for the game. I don't like being told that 4 coaches will not play the game but have their own game only to have that change later on. Especially when we are told they won't play but hear two coaches discussing it as if it was already decided as soon as the feeds start for the season. For these reasons I agree with the person above who said they want the game to be fair to the viewers.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 1:35 pm
I knew the minute that the Coaches twist was leaked that the coaches would be allowed into the game after weeks of influencing the game in addition to being safe from eviction. I made my decisions about whether the game was fair or not when I purchased the feeds and started watching the show on July 12.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 1:59 pm
Yes, it should be fair. It is a competition, after all. People are living under a microscope all summer long for a chance to win a half million dollars. They make it a point to be "fair" in golf, baseball, football, Project Runway, Amazing Race, and Jeopardy, don't they?
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 2:28 pm
I don't remember it ever being fair. it isn't a sport, and some sports are arguably unfair (like dumbing down the all around in gymnastics by limiting the number of competitors from any one country.. that has always been blatantly unfair.. in today's olympics and it was that way in 1984 when I had tickets to the olympic gymnastics in Los Angeles.. Amazing Race often favors teams with two or one male on them and isn't always fair and Survivor has had some really unfair twists too. BB I see as less fair or pure than many other reality shows. Project Runway.. pretty subjective. Life isn't fair, anyway. Not saying it isn't something to strive for, but it isn't something a BB HG can demand, especially those who were recruited.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 2:30 pm
SanFran.. but then maybe the contestants should go play golf.. This is Big Brother where the premiss of the game is to have an Omniscient Being looking over you and throwing you curve balls to see how well you handle them. I don't believe that anyone has done any manipulation to favor any one person...
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 3:00 pm
I have always thought of BB as a social experiment. To study how people act and react without the outside world. Sure people come into the house and can pretend for a certain amount of time, but they eventually become themselves. I guess it's why I try not to become involved with any player.....but....how they get where they want to go. To see their personality and and the thoughts of the younger crowd...Their values and how much they are are willing to push them aside. I enjoy the game, the social contact (or not)... how much and how far they are willing to go for money. In all these years, I really only found one season that I actually disliked the people and the game they played. BB fascinates me.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 3:37 pm
"I don't believe that anyone has done any manipulation to favor any one person..." I don't either, but adding "professional house guests" who already know one another and who have already played the game and many of the challenge games (including some that have actually won the game) does disfavor the amateurs in the house.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 5:06 pm
By now we are on.. what is it Season14?... even the newbies are professionals. This is not like Season 1 or season 2 where the HGs did not know what will happen tomorrow, what competition will be played week 4, the alpha males are always thought to be a threat, slop tastes like crap & Boogie can't be trusted!
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Scubalass
Member
07-01-2004
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 5:23 pm
BB is unique, there is nothing out there that comes close to this show. Fairness and BB do not belong in the same sentence. I also don't believe that anyone has done any manipulation to favour any one person. The twists and curve balls are all a part of it. Often the newbies know a lot about the game, how they and any returnee plays is dependent on the personalities and how far they will go to win the money. We all know what it is about, I for one don't want it to be fair!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 6:59 pm
"By now we are on.. what is it Season14?... even the newbies are professionals." Yes, the newbies have more knowledge about the game after watching 13 seasons of BB, but unlike the "professional HGs"/coaches, the newbies didn't already know each other nor had they formed friendships outside the house before BB 14 started. The coaches already knew each, some of them very well. It would like if all the players were newbies, but four of them already knew each other before they entered the BB house.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 8:05 pm
They did that in Jun's season and did have the twins season with two eventually in the house. And in Janelle's first season too. Not to mention all stars where some of them knew each other very well. And now this season.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 8:32 pm
Not being fair in the past doesn't make up for not being fair now. The question isn't whether or not BB is fair....it's whether or not one thinks it should be fair. Personally, I think it should be fair if they are competing for $500,000. JMO
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 3:56 am
Should be fair? No. I don't think so because the premise of BB isn't about fairness. There is a prize, and it is a game, yes. BUT, the game isn't about just being in a house with a bunch of people...its about living with and outlasting others in a socially totalitarian environment that is controlled by an autocratic unseen "government" as it were. Big Brother by its very nature isn't meant to be fair. The houseguests, newbie or retread, know that every aspect of their time in the house will be controlled by BB before they enter. BB holds all the cards, and that fact should be understood by anyone entering the house. I also think its the control by an outside force that makes this show so interesting. Because just when a player, or an alliance, think they have everything under their control....BB can change it. I hated Maggie's year. It was so predictable, and they ran the house. That year was a dictatorship, but it was one or two HG's being the dictators.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 5:44 am
I don't expect BB to be fair. I think it is okay for BB to change things up and I agree that is a major premise of the show. However, I think in order for the show to work and be interesting they need to balance that so that the houseguests can strategize and play the game based on a reasonable set of expectations so that the game doesn't become totally random. So I'm pretty much okay with whatever they want to throw at them!
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Emm119
Member
07-12-2005
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 6:05 am
Jimmer So I'm pretty much okay with whatever they want to throw at them! Totally agree and you have to think that the HG's had to be thinking the coaches were coming in..not enough players to last the summer. Of course, they didn't listen to Willie and when the coaches come in...I guess crow pie all around.
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Mamapors
Member
07-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 7:15 am
I also do not expect BB to be fair. And anyway, no two people will see "fair" the same.
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Bee
Member
09-14-2009
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 9:26 am
Yep Mamma..."Fair" is in the eye of the beholder. Love anything Big Brother that CBS may throw at us...it is their show after all. I do know that if the coaches were not in the game in any capacity...it would be the most boring BB ever. Face it...there is not much personality left in this batch of newbs. Boooo Boogie! Goooo Janelle! Just sayin 
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:23 am
Okay, consider this scenario... As the coaches have an unfair advantage to last longer in the game since they were never a target and Shane is on the block while they enter the game as players they will all compete and will get rid of Shane with their votes if he doesn't win POV. Who's left after Shane?? Frank? What if he goes on Thursday... The 4 so called coaches would dominate the game till the end... it's not only 'unfair' but it's also very boring... My hopes is that Frank survives and he and Shane stick together if they survive this week and convince the rest of the players to band together against the 'usurpers'. But if Frank goes.. well, Shane is next and here I go again with my previous scenario... blah! You want more 'unfair'? Consider BB saying on Thursday the coaches enter the game but they cannot be nominated their first week as players...
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:34 am
I doubt it is a done deal that all 4 coaches will enter the game. There may be some kind of comp or better yet a best 2 out of 3 series of comps that allows 2 or possibly 3 coaches into the game. We only get to vote on whether they get a chance to enter the game, BB is going to determine what they have to do in order to enter the game.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:40 am
Since Willie left unexpectedly...maybe the coaches are going to have to compete with each other to enter the game...and no longer be a "coach"...and then the returning coach and their team (if any) get absorbed into the three remaining teams... Well...that's just my senario... the one I run in my head ... *grins*
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:42 am
Mary...get over here and mark my words...just in case my senario is right!!!
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:56 am
NO Big Brother is a reality show, NOT a game show. It's about making good TV, not so much about people competing for $500k We have this convo EVERY year. Big Brother will never be "fair"
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Deeva
Member
07-26-2006
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 11:01 am
The only thing unfair about BB is the Live Feeds...they advertise 24/7 but that's not what we get.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 12:23 pm
What Deeva said. Button boy needs to go!
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