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Pippin04
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10-26-2007

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pippin04 a private message Print Post    
So what happens to the person who votes out Jordan? Will they get death threats also. This is just so absurd.

I had more issues with the guy who said he was on the show because his wife was sick and needed the money. Everybody lies in this game that is why I will never be on the show.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
FWIW, I think the threats against Shelly, and particularly against her family, are insane, and I do hope the FBI follows up on them.

But I do think Shelly has played an over the top game. I really liked her in the beginning, and was truly hoping she would win. But when she became hysterical over Rachel, I turned. That was the beginning of her downfall.

Personally, I don't think she turned on Jeff because of her "game", I think she turned on him because of her irrational hatred of Rachel, and that he was insisting that she be nice to her.

Her behavior hasn't been clever gamesmanship, it's been irrational emotionality. From going out of her way to befriend Jeff and Jordan to turning on Jeff. She hasn't thought a thing thru logically.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
Well I beg to differ. It's not and hasn't just happened to people might vote out Jordan or have voted out Jeff like seems to be the theme.

It's happened every season to different degrees. And on alot of show. I'm flabberghasted that anyone would go on a reality tv show and not worry about this type of reaction. It's not right but there's alot of fanatical fans. I'd worry about it too much to play a Dr.Will or Shelly type game. I shouldn't have to worry about that but I would. Look at the husband who committed suicide.

There was an editorial in the New York post that suggested Matt's wife divorce him after his season last year.

Adam was fired from his job after being on Big Brother and using the word retard.

Marameko
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Is that the same Adam who is now in prison ?
If it is he is a BIG LOSER < no pun intended > and his no credibility; no pity from me on him. I could not even stand to look at him actually.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
I totally agree Karuuna,

Shelly had an irrational love for everything Jeff and Jordan. Then she had an over the top hate for Porshe. Then she had an irrational hatred towards Rachel. She became so focused you could see the steam coming out of her pores. No matter what the subject Shelly would turn it to how terrible Rachel was. I agree that turning on Jeff (and Jordan) was because she felt they should jump on her loathing of rachel bandwagon.

I don't think anyone in the house really likes Rachel... but they didn't want to continually bash her.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I knew weeks ago she was going to have a hard time when she gets out of the house. She will have to move.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
The sentiments toward Shelly have nothing to do with Jeff and Jordan. They are the same sentiments that people had towards Johnny "my grandmother died" Fairplay; Matt "My wife had a degenerative bone disease" Hoffman; Mike "the girl I am making out with in the HOH tub is a skank" Boogie... these people just seem to transcend the game.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<The pity party for this half million dollar winner whose only ambition seems to remain cute and clueless just baffles the hell out of me.>

Oh but Chippy, she's SO cute, even when she's angry, throwing a hissy and dropping f-bombs, but most of all when she's chest bumping someone. Gosh, she even looks cute when she's crying. Ya just gots to adore her.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
There is no irrational issue because it's Jordan and Jeff. If that's true, people would be targetting Dani and Kalia (Kalia who nominated him twice). And Rachel and Brendon for earlier trying to thru J/J under the bus to save themselves, thus turning on their own alliance.

This is just about how Shelly has conducted herself. Nothing more or nothing less. It's not some misplaced idolatry of Jeff and/or Jordan.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<Shelly had an irrational love for everything Jeff and Jordan.>

See! And look where it got her. Irrational love gone bad leads to irrational hate.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I totally agree, Bonbon, there are just some kinds of game play that upset the viewers, and Shelly has put herself up there with those other notorious players.

Lying is accepted. Turning on alliances is accepted. But developing a *true* friendship, having someone give up a treasured prize because of that friendship, and then turning? Not such a good plan.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree that it is a delicate balance between what is considered part of the game and what is going beyond the game. LOL - And often it depends on who is the doer vs. the person it is being done to.

In one of my favorite movies, one character gives another character the classic line that "It's nothing personal. It's just business." Her response was "I've never understood why people say that. It's personal to me!"

Tissy
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07-28-2003

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tissy a private message Print Post    

Personally, I don't think she turned on Jeff because of her "game", I think she turned on him because of her irrational hatred of Rachel, and that he was insisting that she be nice to her.



Strangely that irrational hatred didnt result in her evicting Rachel or trying to save her the week Lawon went.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Her irrational hatred of Rachel started *after* Brendon left the second time. That was after Lawon went, because that's when Brendon came back.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I have never cared for Shelly since Day l. She always made me feel very uncomfortable and sort of creeped me out, to be honest. I always felt there was just something off about her, and she's definitely not someone I would want to associate with in RL. Having said that, I don't understand the way the tide has turned against her by previous fans. She has always been two-faced, telling everyone in the house "what they want to hear" by her own admission. I just don't get it. Is it only because she led her fans to believe she did what she did only out of love and admiration for Jeff and Jordan, and that was OK with most of her fans because they were J&J fans too? I'm more surprised it took so long to out her than anything else.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i dont like the way we are trying to say what is in shelley's mind, but i'll share what i've observed and spin it too.

There is nothing irrational about trying to demonize a HG who booted you out of #3 position with what you THOUGHT was your alliance with Jeff Jordan.

I'd like to guess that Shelley didnt blame Jeff or jordan for the flip and Focused on that it was all rachel's fault. When jeff elevated Rachel above shelley by having private game chats and hangingout, leaving SHELLEY OUTside the loop, shelley made a Solidly Rational decision to end it.

Dani offered a better deal, the others backed a Two Week guarantee so she flipped.

i didnt post this to argue but to show how we ALL dont see this the same way.

I think shelley did the only rational thing she COULD do, once she knew rachel was JJ's human shield and shelley was sidelined as an extra.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Actually, I liked her because I always have an affinity toward the 'older' players, uh, cause I identify. :-)

In the beginning, it was not that apparent that she was playing both sides, she just seemed to listen to everyone, talk to everyone and stayed very low key. Much like Adam, I found that a good strategy, esp for an older player.

But when she had her hysteria moment after being outted by Rachel, and she started claiming she had been playing with integrity and loyalty (when clearly she had just been covering all her bases while leaning toward J/J/A as her alliance), I thought "oh, too much drama." I'm not a drama lover.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, clearly it was a bad move, because after that, no one trusted her. I could see that coming.

When you have an alliance, and know that at some point you have to turn on it, you have to plan that carefully to minimize the damage. Shelly did not do that, which is why I think she was irrational, not rational. She screwed herself.

It was as irrational as stealing Rachel's stuffed animal out of spite.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I think Shelly's plan was to be a Dr.Will type player and she thinks that we the audience all hate Rachel so she says bad things about Rachel. Little does she know because of all her biting snips at Rachel that Rachel will likely get fan favorite because so many of us cringed and don't want anyone, not Shelly or Rachel to feel "hated" to that point.

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
Well said Sunshyne4u.

I was never a Shelly fan but I think the J/J fans are the ones that turned on Shelly.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
in the very beginning, i couldnt understand Shelley's logic. The constant ego stroking of J J, pledges of Love and respect etc. it seemed so overthetop many of us were wondering if she was a Producer plant to get JJ to the end.

But then it became apparent, she wasnt winning anything and it kinda looked like she was a cheering section, not part of the team to JJ. I think this is when shelley's game started to slide.

I disliked a number of Players of BB thru the years but this is the second time i've seen Posters go so wild . Like someone said earlier, its probably because this season has been so predictable/ boring/ noninteresting cast.

I want shelley to stay this thurs because I cant imagine another week of "smiling nodding" passive aggressive Adam. he's been about as entertaining as the kitchen table

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
ah I see, thx karuuna. I see that your use of irrational is different that how i would use it. The example of stealing the dog is good.

if the purpose was to cause Rachel to melt down, it failed. Its Irrational to continue to hide it when at this point, its just spite.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<I want shelley to stay this thurs because I cant imagine another week of "smiling nodding" passive aggressive Adam. he's been about as entertaining as the kitchen table>

LOL, Sun. He is very milquetoasty. I swear, he lost all his personality that day he shaved his beard off. It was as though he took a mask off and there stood the real Adam. I'd die laughing if he wins the whole thing; in fact, after the absurdity of the last few days, I hope he does now. It would definitely put this season even further down the rabbit hole where it belongs...grown men with rubber duckies??? Hysteria over hostaged toy doggies??? Menstrual cycles charted and watched like hawks?? I miss the head games, sexual tension, and humor of the Dr. Will days.

Me_poster
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03-02-2010

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Me_poster a private message Print Post    
It's happened every season to different degrees. And on alot of show. I'm flabberghasted that anyone would go on a reality tv show and not worry about this type of reaction. It's not right but there's alot of fanatical fans. I'd worry about it too much to play a Dr.Will or Shelly type game. I shouldn't have to worry about that but I would. Look at the husband who committed suicide.


WHAT?????????

Me_poster
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03-02-2010

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Me_poster a private message Print Post    
jeff turned on shelly first.

jeff never trusted shelly.

shelly always trusted jj

when she figured out she only had final 3 or 4 she flipped.

she is in a different environment then "real life" i would go insane too.

i still like her and want her to stay. jordon is my favorite female bb player of all time, but i think a "newbie" should win and i want that to be shelly. she played the game from day 1, she dropped off the banana first saying being the first hoh was bad. i liked her from that day on and don't understand how people believe she has done something so atrocious that to say what they do about her.