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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Big Brother USA ARCHIVES: Big Brother 13 - Part 5: Is Big Brother Manipulated? Fixed?: Archive through September 01, 2011 users admin

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Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Any competition is going to "favor" one contestant over another. The HGs are human creatures and therefore they have their strengths and weaknesses. There is no way to design a competition which puts everyone on equal footing. And frankly, it shouldn't. This is a competition-- why should they even the playing field so everyone has an equal chance?



I do not for a minute believe that they wait to see who is on the block, or who is at risk each week before they decide which competition will be played.

So if a HG is at a disadvantage because of their physical stature, their desire to smoke, their bad knees, their weak bladder, their inability to withstand the cold... whatever... then they loose.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 7:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
But it's still comes down to who or what made Porsche open the Box,

$5,000 ? Greediness ? Thrill of the unknown ?

I think people are responsible for their own actions. Porsche opened the box because she wanted too...no one "made" her do it...

Could be that Adam overheard Porsche reading the card outloud...

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Well, they could design a "competition" that's equal for all contestants by leaving it completely up to random chance (eg. "Roll a pair of dice"). I think viewers want competitions with *some* amount of luck involved, just so underdogs have a chance. However, I doubt too many people want to watch something that's all luck.

Besides, some people will still claim that it's fixed (eg. "The dice were loaded!").

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I don't think any of the HoH or POV competitions are fixed, they are such a production to create that I'm sure they're telling the truth when they say they are set out in advance. For example this last HoH Porsche won, they'd had that rolly snake thing to practice on for days (maybe even before Thursday night's fast forward show) so how would they have known who was even competing in the HoH, let alone fix that all important comp for any one person? They are just too many variables.

My comment was only to do with the Pandora's Box, which BB can hold back and slot into the game whenever was convenient to them.

Lostfan
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03-10-2010

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lostfan a private message Print Post    
well 2 of the worst PB's in my opionion were -

The one where they had Jessie entertaine (dont remember) - that was just stupid stupid stupid - imo

Or the one where Natalie had her BF - wth- she wasnt even liked by america, so why would we want to watch that-

I think they didnt have any bright ideas that year - blah!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
In case anyone still thinks there was a conspiracy with Dick's leaving, Alison Grodner was majorly upset that he left. She was counting on him to really stir things up both inside and outside the house.

And as far as the competitions, yes, they are planned in advance. And they are generally "mental, physical, mental, physical." They are not intended to give anyone any special advantage.

I could not get confirmation on the retreads making it to the jury house, but there is general agreement that's what happened. Essentially, retreads got an all expenses paid, paid vacation this summer.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't watch this show if I thought it were fixed. I do wish the Diary Room would be more question/player-neutral in their interactions, though. I would be hellapissed if I were in there working it and the Diary Room was "suggesting" one way or another to other hgs regarding my game play.

As far as the competitions/twists, like Costa I believe they are fixed before the game starts.

If the game were fixed Dani and Jeff would still be in the house instead of Adam, etc.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Any endurance competition is not going to be "equal" for all contestants...ever. That's just common sense.


there HAVE been comps that basically are equal. A good example is bb5 diane holding button. That was such a fair challenge it went on for HOURS.

another good example was The BUnny Hop. Holding a key, standing on a wide platform. HECK even an old smoker could keep up with the Young guy.

the PRessure Cooker BB6 as well was equal.


At one point, some endurance challenges may have LOOKed like it was an advantage to one body type but upon thinking about it, there were equalizers. Think the Diploma Endurance comp. light weight MAY be better for the butt but upper arm strength and being able to take the HITS with the diploma was Super important.

I could go on.
but i think that the comps are now being created for Quick endings. I'm sure those 8 hr comps were a Pain in the BUTT for the production staff to watch closely for cheating. Imagine watching that key cam for 8 hrs- I remember during the BB5 people couldnt lift their heels. It puts tons of accountibility and stress on production to be 'fair' and watch like hawks

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
yes, they are planned in advance. And they are generally "mental, physical, mental, physical."

so the Physical HOH comp was followed by the Physical POV comp.

thx for the point made.

It was OUT OF order

i truly wish PB didnt happen tho. jordan would have been gone this week. notta chance she'd stay

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
GAL, last night I had a long chat with my friend who knows all the behind the scenes stuff. She says she takes BB at face value, doesn't know the DR plays games with the HGs, but thinks isn't that what BB is all about? The fact they are being watched 24/7 and that BB is messing with their heads is the premise she finds amusing. She's remained addicted to this show, whereas I've grown away from it in recent years due to the "tinkering" and endless "expect the unexpected" baloney hooey that Grodner pulls. My friend is hilarious... she would totally spend a summer in the BB house. But thinks she'd get her butt kicked out the first week or two cuz she wouldn't put up with half the BS that the HGs spout out! :-)

Veganking
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07-24-2009

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Veganking a private message Print Post    
I just bet that if Jordan and Rachel get nominated at some future time, the veto holder will have the power to nominate the replacement person, and the veto competition will be slanted so that Jordan or Rachel win it.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
diamond power of Veto - veto holder PICKS the replacement

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
Rachel and Jordan were talking about the Diamond Power of Veto a little while ago.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
You know, just to cut this discussion off at the knees in future seasons I wish Big Brother would publish the list of contests/twists as soon as the guests are in the house. Personally I don't need to be surprised by what they are in order to watch and be entertained. In fact I find their little teasers annoying. But they're doing themselves real damage with potential fans by giving the impression that things might be rigged.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
I just realized it really isn't fixed. It's broken. lol I blame production and will continue when they make it more obvious than the wrinkles on my face. lol

What555456
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06-14-2005

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
How many more manipulations we going to see this summer in an attempt by BB to keep the retreads in the house?

I figured the fix was in when Brendon was brought back in. That didn't work and i thought AG would leave well enough alone. I had not expected that with Jeff's being shoved out the door, we'd be back to couples with Rachel and Jordan each able to take both off the block,

But no.... there is no manipulation going on. It is all just the way the game plays out.

Yea right!

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Zactly, What. And if it wasn't obvious from the live feed discussion as it was happening, tonights show sure iced the cake. I could told you who was going to win that comp with my brain tied behind my back. And S/A didn't have an iota of a prayer. Perfect. Job well done, AG. I'm sure she's already starting construction on the next ace up her hole, er, sleeve, should Jordan get in any trouble again. It best not involve any pain. lol

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 4:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Oh and picking their own partners... cherry on top.

And let's get it on record that not before (golf HOH) and not since has an HOH been allowed to pick the order of players in a comp.

Scooty
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07-21-2007

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 4:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooty a private message Print Post    
Why one watch if they think it's fixed?

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
a THIRD physical comp in a row.

Coincidence??

Luanne
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05-11-2011

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luanne a private message Print Post    
Coincidence -no- the fixing this year has been terrible. I think I am done with BB.

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
Tonight's HOH was definitely geared towards Rachel or Jordan. Kalia or Adam would've had to work twice as hard and Kalia had the least chance at winning. You have to keep in mind that BB isn't in a hurry to lose R/J. How boring would the show be if Adam or Kalia won?

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Well, it was certainly not a comp for Kalia and I just wonder why... But I'm thrilled that Rachel won!! A bit disappointed with Adam and Jordan.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
how boring is it for me being able to predict the script over 85% of the comps.. and the ones I've been wrong about, involve the person I did script as winning come in Second.

Kappy
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06-28-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
I have no doubt AG was upset that ED left but I still think he saw the writing on the wall that first week and left.

No, BB is not fixed but it is definitely manipulated to help who AG wants in the final - the evil redhead vs the blond princess.