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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 7:58 pm
Well putting myself in Shelly's place I don't think I would have waited around to see who Jeff was going to take either. If he was such a good friend she never should have had to wonder. The reason I believe that he would have kept Rachel over Shelly is not what he told Shelly, but what he said to Jordan, in a private conversation with each other in the HOH just a few days ago. "You, me and Rachel final 3...." Since he doesn't lie to Jordan, I have to believe what his true plan was. He got beat to the punch.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:00 pm
Okay you could be right. At this point we're all just speculating.
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:00 pm
Jeff voted to keep Shelly over Brendon. He wasn't so noble as to do this for Shelly. He did that because he cut a deal with Dani to get rid of Brendon. He got something for that vote.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:01 pm
Shelly is somehow the most vicious liar in all of BB history and is the least liked, least trusted and evil. This hyperbole isn't really convincing. No one is saying that. All I have said repeatedly is that she made a huge error in the game. She played out of irrationality after her emotional breakdown over Rachel. Before that, she was doing quite well playing both sides, which she admittedly was. Sure Jeff and Jordan kept weighing their options as Shelly was doing all along. I'm just saying she went too far with the adoration and friendship thing with them, to then turn on them. That's why people don't like her, just as they didn't like the guy who said his wife was dying.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:02 pm
But I can't get the image of her cutting off the paw of Rachel's puppy and putting ketchup on it out of my mind. She didn't do it, just threatened to do it. YIKES not sure how i missed that! i'm surprised. since she (Shelly) lost her mind. you know, When Shelley's game started to blow up in her face (second house meeting) Shelley went really crazy when Jordan admitted that Rachel did tell her about the f3 deal week or so earlier. I really didnt think she was losing it because she was caught in a lie, I think it was about JORDAN looking at her with those Big Blue hurt puppy dog eyes . I was screencapping thru those hours and Shelley seemed MORE concerned about Jordan and her acceptance of the Love and devotion. but i think her cheese was slipping out of her sandwich that day and its gotten worse. I dont think she is irrational tho. erratic emotions tho and she does seem to be a compulsive liar even in Diary room
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:07 pm
I don't think Jeff planned to vote out Shelly until the final 4 deal they all agreed on. yes he did at one point. but jordan talked to him for a few days that shelley was less likely to turn. JJ were pretty sure BR R had a deal with dani. i figure thats why jordan was so upset at shelley voting out jeff. Shelley would have been gone if Jeff had his way the week earlier.
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:22 pm
That's not my hyperbole Kar, those are things that have been said about her. Yes it's hyperbolic, that was my point. I don't deny that the adoration thing was over the top, she has not had the best method of play and the playing with class stuff pizzes me off too. No one is classy on this show. If I wanted to watch classy this would be the last show I would watch..lol I happen to like down and dirty. As I have said before I don't hate Rachel either, but her lies are too far over my limit and had nothing to do with game but was a personal comment that could have been bad for Jeff outside the game. To me that's just mean spirted and dangerous. That will never be a method of play that should be rewarded with a prize, imo. She hasn't played a squeaky clean game, none of them have. She has done some horrendous backstabbing, and most of it was done to Shelly, her new bestie, Jordan, and her man Jeff. These are all things expected in this kind of game. I just don't understand the degree of hate and the hypocrisy, from the fans or the other hgs. I didn't understand it about Danielle in season 3 or Jerry, or Michelle, or Rachel..etc. This is a game and nothing more.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:50 pm
All I can say, EM, is that many people see her deception (about being Jeff and Jordan's lifelong friend and the best thing that ever happened to them) as deceptive as lying about your wife dying. It has nothing to do with Jeff/Jordan zealous fans or anything else. And it doesn't mean she is the worst liar ever, or evil or anything. It just means that while a certain *kind* of lying is to be expected, there are lies that go too far. And many people think she did. Just like there is a certain kind of intimidation that goes too far. And by doing so, she became this year's villain. She needed someone worse (like Dick?) to make her look better. As I said, I liked her in the beginning and was pulling for her. Until she had that emotional breakdown that was incongruous with who I thought she was. In fact, she *had* that emotional breakdown precisely because she had befriended J/J far more than an 'alliance.' She had it because they had begun to suspect her as a result of some things Rachel told them. And she couldn't fathom how they could suspect her, when she adored them so much. Her adoration wasn't reciprocated, and then she started playing a kind of whacked out game.
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Me_poster
Member
03-02-2010
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:50 pm
So she voted to keep Dani, and then she voted out Jeff. And if you saw her vote, she did it with anger, not thoughtfulness. And thus, she screwed her game. only up to this post, but karruuna, shelly was pretty upset and to me, looked like she was crying, not angry. she said jeff and something about her family and did the little kisses to her daughter. imo she wasn't angry.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:51 pm
I would also say, I don't think ill of Shelly. I think she got herself in way over her head. And once she hit that hole, she didn't have the ability to pull herself out of it mentally, so she stayed stuck there. The house is a very surreal and disorienting place to be. It's broken other people before too.
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Kittyab
Member
07-15-2005
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:00 pm
Ya know if she came clean with all the deals she made in the house she may have a better chance of staying... Well maybe... Now if she returned the puppy!
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:05 pm
I think she might have been more forthcoming when telling Jeff and Jordan about her fears of Rachel taking over her spot with them if Jeff wouldn't get so crazy thinking you might distrust him. She tried to talk to him about Rachel and he'd hear none of it. He can do it but you can't. That had to be frustrating. She did try to talk to Jordan, but face to face with Jeff is not easy. He takes things so personally even when he's doing the same thing behind her back. I love Jeff and Jordan too, but Jeff is a hard nut to crack if he thinks you are not totally and completely in his boat. I'm going to break into that darn house and find that puppy and return it myself. I don't even think they know where it is now.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:12 pm
LOL - The house isn't that big. Surely they could find a stuffed puppy if they wanted to look hard enough?
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:16 pm
The puppy is locked in the purple room, so nobody can get to it right now.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:22 pm
So Big Brother has imprisoned the puppy. 
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:24 pm
Yes, Jimmer. They are accessories after the fact.
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Vickilynn
Member
07-29-2010
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:45 pm
I just had a thought do you think if Shelly is evicted Thursday that she should be given the option to return home to deal with the crazy crap her husband and family have been goin through? Or not be told anything? I'm kinda on the fence with this one I know its a game and they sign contracts and all to stay in the jury house, but if I were that hated that the FBI had to be called in I would be really upset if I wasn't given the option to return home to make sure my family was ok.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:47 pm
Honestly I think it's loons that felt like bad asses on the internet and have likely scattered and won't utter a peep again. The FBI tends to cool the wackadoodles lol.
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:55 pm
People that do stuff like that are losers living in their parents basement playing on their puters, eating pork rinds. Most of them have no life and the only way they feel strong is when they do stuff like that. They can't get a date so fall in love with tv reality stars. OKAY now I'm scared. I shouldn't know this much about these people. lol
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:25 pm
Just breathe. I got a man already and he makes me hollar so I'm not panting after Jeff lol but I still like him. I am only half a wackadoodle so come take my hand let's make fun of the houseguests I'm losing my buzz with all this Shelly/Jeff/Jordan are horrible talk it's been going on all day.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:45 pm
Shelly may or may not have made a mistake in ridding us all of Jeff. I, for one, thank her for doing so. I'll see how it all plays out before I decide if it was a strategic mistake or not. But she has been no worse nor any better than virtually every other HG in BB History who lasted this long into the game. But something tells me that if she had done all of these nefarious things to Rachel and Brendon or anyone else, this all would not have blown up so much either in the so-called real world or even here in this forum. She would have been criticized as all HG's are, but not as severely as she has been. It is because she did it to Jeff and especially to Jordan and there are a lot of people who seem to think J/J should not have to suffer what everyone else in the game has to suffer. For some reason, there are those who find J/J sacred. I don't understand that reaction to J/J; but it is definitely there and definitely a part of the excoriation of Shelly for doing nothing more than playing a very aggressive game.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:58 pm
So all us J/J fans are crap I get it. lol Next!!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:07 pm
naw, no one said that Shena. btw, pertaining to a prev post... i didnt think shelley looked angry when she voted, i just saw agitation and worry.
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Me_poster
Member
03-02-2010
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 12:08 am
i think i am going to just follow earthmother and sunshyne around the board and say i agree.i need to cut my fingernails as i mess up while typing and have to redo everything. so, i agree with everything sunshyne and earthmother have said in this thread.
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Fredi
Member
04-01-2008
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 1:24 am
I'm no fan of Shelly's <24> BUT I'm so sick of this J/J worship. So Shelly voted to keep Dani- so what. I would have too, I do think Shelly is way too dramatic.I picture her following her daughter around 24/7 wanting to know what she's thinking. 
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