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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 8:40 am
Then we seem all in agreement with these developments. I'd say quite predictable once we know the outcome of the Veto. Yes, it's either Rachel or Shelly.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 8:45 am
Keep this in mind too (although it may only be a coincidence)- The only seasons that women have won, they faced another woman in the F2. If it's been a male/female F2, the male has always won.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 9:54 am
Gee Willikers. And the one person this "twist" made completely safe is Jordan during the one time there was actually a chance she could be evicted in all these weeks. Go. Figure. What a coinkydink.
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Wally
Member
08-13-2011
| Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 11:31 pm
a winkydink? a twiddleywink? so what's the smart play now?
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 11:35 pm
Smart and season 13 in the same sentence is an oxymoron. They couldn't find smart with a GPS and a floodlight. If the fog lifts, they'd figure out after all these weeks that Jordan will win over any of them and Shelly will NOT. Plus, we'll have to see what the next UNexpected "twist" brings to whom in order to foil whomever else. lol
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:34 am
Adam may survive yet again by being passive..Who there realizes that he is playing the game, only it's his game not our version? Rachel and Jordan are the decision makers on Thursday, so do they evict someone they know will not win, or someone who can make the case to jury that they did indeed play the game...just not the usual way. Adam is not happy about Kalia or is he still desiring Rachel out next week? What to do, what to do, and it seems that Adam never looses it, stays above the fray, and always lands on his feet. Do Rachel and Jordan keep Adam or kick him to jury?
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:20 am
Keep him! Rachel and Jordan know that Shelly can manipulate people and has a better chance of presenting her case to the jury than Adam does.
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:04 pm
So Shelly will be gone and from now on it's getting more and more predictable since another Kalia HOH win means Jordan and Rachel are again on the block. We have to find out if they're still up there as a duo or if Rachel wins POV can Jordan be gone next? This is not clear yet and so we'll have to wait till we know more from BB. Ooops, is that Kalia saying she can't put Jordan up? I guess the duo is over... so it will be Adam and Rachel. Still Rachel will have to win POV or she'll get only Jordan's vote and Adam will get Porsches and so Kalia splits the vote and Rachel is gone.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 12:16 pm
"We have to find out if they're still up there as a duo or if Rachel wins POV can Jordan be gone next?" On the show last night, "they" (either Julie or the note that Porsche read to the other HGs) said that the duo theme would be brought back "for one week". I think that means the duos theme is gone after this coming Thursday's eviction.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 8:58 am
Shelly has been outed and now neither side wants her nor trusts her..Would you keep her because of that...Is that better play if you recognize it and keep her? Every single HG left would win against Shelly. Posters want her gone but what is best for the HG game wise? Adam has all this knowledge, yet he seems to crumble at the competitions ..or is he? Is he waiting for the next Q&A or is he only an expert on past BB seasons? Porsche is a fearless player that plays by the seat of her pants..It seems to work for her and she will take whoever lasts...Makes no difference to her. Jordan and Rachel will cling to each other until final 3 if they last. Kalia..I can't figure her game cause I can't keep up with her..I know she wants to keep Adam and Porsche and has promised never to "put up" Jordan but not promised to vote her out. As Thursday gets closer we shall see if Rachel has thought about who to evict..Shelly or Adam. I know she did last night but Jordan wants Shelly out. Is that the best decision or should they keep Shelly knowing that she will not win?
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 9:24 am
Csnog you're freaking me out that Rachel and Shelly will make a final 2 and they should.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 9:52 am
I'm just putting it out there about what I see as best strategy. It's easy from here and not living in the house with the people. Adam see's the people for who they are..Of all the HG's.. I would like someone to interview him in depth once this season is over.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 10:04 am
Are jordan and rachel still considering letting Shelly stay? Is she the HG who cannot win that will be dragged along to F2?
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 11:50 am
They're going at it all wrong, J and R, that is. They shouldn't rely on Shelly or Adam saying, "you're not going up". When you hear something like that is because they have no intention of going for HOH when Kalia is a potential HOH winner, let Kalia worry about that. Adam or Shelly saying that to Rachel is just an effort to stay in the game. What Rachel should worry about is what Kalia would do, forget about Shelly or Adam. She has to deal with Kalia. If they can't deal with Kalia, then they have to win HOH or POV no matter what or they'll be gone.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 8:10 pm
That's the question. Will either Adam (or Shelly if she is still there by some chance) try to win HOH this week or will they let it go?
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 9:36 pm
Now that they are talking about Shelly's secret power, things may change. Kalia really thinks she has some kind of power. Porche already told Rachel tonight in the kitchen that she doesn't care who goes this week. Rachel may just decide to keep Shelly, that's all she needs to stay.
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 7:56 am
I'm with Rachel, bur for different reasons, I'd keep Shelly for entertainment purpose, she'll go on messing with them (I don't believe her promises) but I also would love to see her efforts to redeem herself. It could go either way, mean or saint. As for game purposes, Rachel shouldn't worry about Shelly, she should worry about Kalia. She has to convince herself that if she doesn't win HOH or POV she's gone!!! Let's say that Kalia puts Shelly and Rachel up, none of them win POV, Jordan votes to keep Rachel... but would Porsche vote to keep Rachel as well? I don't think so, since it could be a tie, it's best to let Kalia decide and she'll send Rachel to Jury. So, it comes back to Kalia, forget about Shelly, she'll be on the block with Rachel. And if it's Adam staying, same thing.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 10:42 am
Once again Adam finds himself in a bind. He's figured out, that this Thursdays HOH may have to decide a tie and that's the last thing he wants. Also he would have to decide between sides. Put up Rachel and Kalia?...Then replace with who?...Porsche? Adam has found himself in a pickel, unless Rachel or Jordan wins HOH. If Kalia wins it, he will be on the block again, sitting with Rachel. Rachel can win veto... Kalia replaces Rachel with Jordan and Jordan goes to jury...OR...Jordan can win and takes Rachel off then Porsche goes up against Adam.. Can Adam trust Jordan and Rachel to save him if that happens?..I would think so. Adam, Jordan and Rachel want Kalia out next. So Adam has another wait and see, but I bet that's what he was agonizing about last night in the BY. Rachel and Jordan should think about Porsche and Adams closeness.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 11:25 am
I think Rach/Jor may be making a mistake by keeping Adam. It's really a tough choice. I'd actually kind of like to see Adam be the downfall of Rachel or Jordan. They must know that no one wants them there at the end with the sure votes they have on the jury. I think Adam could win an Hoh, not sure Shelly can. Maybe the next one will be a dumb luck kind of game and Adam will win without trying. If he keeps skating by, playing both sides, I hope he's out next.
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 12:38 pm
It could only work if Adam is really honest and truthful to J/R. But the point is "does Adam have anything to offer J/R", if he doesn't win comps then he's dead weight for them. And the same goes for Shelly. What Rachel and Jordan should tell Adam is "we know you think Kalia could win HOH and put us up" so you don't have to sweat too much to keep your word", but could we count on your vote? Then Adam can tell them, "sure, but could Porsche do the same?", so, it's back to Kalia. And yet Rachel and Jordan are shunning Kalia who will be their doomsday judge. It doesn't matter if they keep Shelly or Adam, as long as there is Kalia there to sweep the floor they're just wasting their time with Adam or Shelly. It's time for Jordan to come up with a win, or both Rachel and Jordan could kiss the game goodbye.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 12:39 pm
I like Adam as a person but he's less likely to keep Rachel than Shelly is. I agree with you Brenda that R/J are likely making a mistake keeping Adam.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 12:43 pm
I agree with you Shen. I don't think Shelly would betray Jordan again. Adam wouldn't think twice about it.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 12:46 pm
Whose gut do you trust?..Jordans or Rachels'? Adam is in final 2 with Porsche and Rachel feels the connection..Jordan doesn't...Jordan and Adam talked about final 3 and then she said maybe final 2. Adam will not try for HOH this week and still float. Can R/J trust either Adam or Shelly?...NO They have to go with their gut, who has the most chance of wining a competition...neither...I think Adam chokes...Shelly is more into relationships and control. Rachel needs to ask Jordan if this is personal about getting rid of Shelly. Rachel has no idea about a possible final 2 with Jordan and Adam.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 12:48 pm
I want Shelly gone. BUT you guys are making sense, and giving me lots to think about. Feels like MY head is gonna explode. I can just imagine what J/R are going through!
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 12:55 pm
No, Rache said it's enough if we J/R/A make it to F3, at that time it's everyone for themselves. Meaning, Adam will have the same chance to win Part 1 or 2 of final HOH and he could decide if he wins Part 3. However, it's still the same old point, either Adam or Shelly are weak at comps and so it's really J/R against Kalia. Kalia too could be gone next if J/R win and K doesn't win POV. So, she is also concerned about next week. Kalia could have one of Dani's tricks up her sleeve, she could vote to keep Shelly and then blame it on Rachel. It will be enough to make Jordan question the truth. That could be interesting. Anyway, if Adam isn't really going to try for HOH, then it's Kalia in the minority against Jordan/Rachel, but if it's Q/A and both Jordan and Rachel fall behind... well, it's Adam and Rachel on the block. Then if Rachel doesn't win POV, she'll be gone with a tiebreaker by Kalia.
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