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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 7:14 am
Any competition is going to "favor" one contestant over another. The HGs are human creatures and therefore they have their strengths and weaknesses. There is no way to design a competition which puts everyone on equal footing. And frankly, it shouldn't. This is a competition-- why should they even the playing field so everyone has an equal chance? I do not for a minute believe that they wait to see who is on the block, or who is at risk each week before they decide which competition will be played. So if a HG is at a disadvantage because of their physical stature, their desire to smoke, their bad knees, their weak bladder, their inability to withstand the cold... whatever... then they loose.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 7:32 am
But it's still comes down to who or what made Porsche open the Box, $5,000 ? Greediness ? Thrill of the unknown ? I think people are responsible for their own actions. Porsche opened the box because she wanted too...no one "made" her do it... Could be that Adam overheard Porsche reading the card outloud...
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:28 am
Well, they could design a "competition" that's equal for all contestants by leaving it completely up to random chance (eg. "Roll a pair of dice"). I think viewers want competitions with *some* amount of luck involved, just so underdogs have a chance. However, I doubt too many people want to watch something that's all luck. Besides, some people will still claim that it's fixed (eg. "The dice were loaded!").
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:35 am
I don't think any of the HoH or POV competitions are fixed, they are such a production to create that I'm sure they're telling the truth when they say they are set out in advance. For example this last HoH Porsche won, they'd had that rolly snake thing to practice on for days (maybe even before Thursday night's fast forward show) so how would they have known who was even competing in the HoH, let alone fix that all important comp for any one person? They are just too many variables. My comment was only to do with the Pandora's Box, which BB can hold back and slot into the game whenever was convenient to them.
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:46 am
well 2 of the worst PB's in my opionion were - The one where they had Jessie entertaine (dont remember) - that was just stupid stupid stupid - imo Or the one where Natalie had her BF - wth- she wasnt even liked by america, so why would we want to watch that- I think they didnt have any bright ideas that year - blah!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 7:40 am
In case anyone still thinks there was a conspiracy with Dick's leaving, Alison Grodner was majorly upset that he left. She was counting on him to really stir things up both inside and outside the house. And as far as the competitions, yes, they are planned in advance. And they are generally "mental, physical, mental, physical." They are not intended to give anyone any special advantage. I could not get confirmation on the retreads making it to the jury house, but there is general agreement that's what happened. Essentially, retreads got an all expenses paid, paid vacation this summer.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:55 pm
I wouldn't watch this show if I thought it were fixed. I do wish the Diary Room would be more question/player-neutral in their interactions, though. I would be hellapissed if I were in there working it and the Diary Room was "suggesting" one way or another to other hgs regarding my game play. As far as the competitions/twists, like Costa I believe they are fixed before the game starts. If the game were fixed Dani and Jeff would still be in the house instead of Adam, etc.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:06 pm
Any endurance competition is not going to be "equal" for all contestants...ever. That's just common sense. there HAVE been comps that basically are equal. A good example is bb5 diane holding button. That was such a fair challenge it went on for HOURS. another good example was The BUnny Hop. Holding a key, standing on a wide platform. HECK even an old smoker could keep up with the Young guy. the PRessure Cooker BB6 as well was equal. At one point, some endurance challenges may have LOOKed like it was an advantage to one body type but upon thinking about it, there were equalizers. Think the Diploma Endurance comp. light weight MAY be better for the butt but upper arm strength and being able to take the HITS with the diploma was Super important. I could go on. but i think that the comps are now being created for Quick endings. I'm sure those 8 hr comps were a Pain in the BUTT for the production staff to watch closely for cheating. Imagine watching that key cam for 8 hrs- I remember during the BB5 people couldnt lift their heels. It puts tons of accountibility and stress on production to be 'fair' and watch like hawks
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:10 pm
yes, they are planned in advance. And they are generally "mental, physical, mental, physical." so the Physical HOH comp was followed by the Physical POV comp. thx for the point made. It was OUT OF order i truly wish PB didnt happen tho. jordan would have been gone this week. notta chance she'd stay
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:30 pm
GAL, last night I had a long chat with my friend who knows all the behind the scenes stuff. She says she takes BB at face value, doesn't know the DR plays games with the HGs, but thinks isn't that what BB is all about? The fact they are being watched 24/7 and that BB is messing with their heads is the premise she finds amusing. She's remained addicted to this show, whereas I've grown away from it in recent years due to the "tinkering" and endless "expect the unexpected" baloney hooey that Grodner pulls. My friend is hilarious... she would totally spend a summer in the BB house. But thinks she'd get her butt kicked out the first week or two cuz she wouldn't put up with half the BS that the HGs spout out! 
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Veganking
Member
07-24-2009
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:11 pm
I just bet that if Jordan and Rachel get nominated at some future time, the veto holder will have the power to nominate the replacement person, and the veto competition will be slanted so that Jordan or Rachel win it.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:37 pm
diamond power of Veto - veto holder PICKS the replacement
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:40 pm
Rachel and Jordan were talking about the Diamond Power of Veto a little while ago.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:46 pm
You know, just to cut this discussion off at the knees in future seasons I wish Big Brother would publish the list of contests/twists as soon as the guests are in the house. Personally I don't need to be surprised by what they are in order to watch and be entertained. In fact I find their little teasers annoying. But they're doing themselves real damage with potential fans by giving the impression that things might be rigged.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:44 pm
I just realized it really isn't fixed. It's broken. lol I blame production and will continue when they make it more obvious than the wrinkles on my face. lol
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:56 pm
How many more manipulations we going to see this summer in an attempt by BB to keep the retreads in the house? I figured the fix was in when Brendon was brought back in. That didn't work and i thought AG would leave well enough alone. I had not expected that with Jeff's being shoved out the door, we'd be back to couples with Rachel and Jordan each able to take both off the block, But no.... there is no manipulation going on. It is all just the way the game plays out. Yea right!
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 6:27 pm
Zactly, What. And if it wasn't obvious from the live feed discussion as it was happening, tonights show sure iced the cake. I could told you who was going to win that comp with my brain tied behind my back. And S/A didn't have an iota of a prayer. Perfect. Job well done, AG. I'm sure she's already starting construction on the next ace up her hole, er, sleeve, should Jordan get in any trouble again. It best not involve any pain. lol
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 4:33 pm
Oh and picking their own partners... cherry on top. And let's get it on record that not before (golf HOH) and not since has an HOH been allowed to pick the order of players in a comp.
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Scooty
Member
07-21-2007
| Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 4:37 pm
Why one watch if they think it's fixed?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 6:57 pm
a THIRD physical comp in a row. Coincidence??
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Luanne
Member
05-11-2011
| Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:02 pm
Coincidence -no- the fixing this year has been terrible. I think I am done with BB.
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Rn2b
Member
08-12-2011
| Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:42 pm
Tonight's HOH was definitely geared towards Rachel or Jordan. Kalia or Adam would've had to work twice as hard and Kalia had the least chance at winning. You have to keep in mind that BB isn't in a hurry to lose R/J. How boring would the show be if Adam or Kalia won?
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:53 pm
Well, it was certainly not a comp for Kalia and I just wonder why... But I'm thrilled that Rachel won!! A bit disappointed with Adam and Jordan.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:54 pm
how boring is it for me being able to predict the script over 85% of the comps.. and the ones I've been wrong about, involve the person I did script as winning come in Second.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 8:07 pm
I have no doubt AG was upset that ED left but I still think he saw the writing on the wall that first week and left. No, BB is not fixed but it is definitely manipulated to help who AG wants in the final - the evil redhead vs the blond princess.
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