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Saguaro
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06-21-2005

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saguaro a private message Print Post    
For Rachel and Jordan I'm not sure if there is too much of a difference in keeping Adam or Shelly. I would like to see Adam go myself. While both Shelly and Adam have floated back and forth, Adam is definitely the king of floaters.

Hwest
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07-01-2011

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hwest a private message Print Post    
I think everyone would vote Rachel out if she were nominated (except Jordon). I don't see a great benefit to keeping either Adam or Shelly. Now it will come down to winning competitions more than strategy. Win or go home.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
Yes I agree Hwest.

Jbw
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08-14-2006

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbw a private message Print Post    
Rachel needs to smarten up. What's best for Jordan isn't necessarily what's best for Rachel.

It's obvious neither Adam nor Shelly are committed to them no matter what both of them say. Nor should they be. They're in it to win the games for THEMSELVES, not R & J. However, if Rachel would analyze what's happened so far in this game,
she'd be better off keeping Shelly over Adam. Plenty here have said Jordan needs to evict Shelly over her vote to evict Jeff. Well Shelly's vote kept RACHEL in the game. Shelly also worked hard to save Rachel when she was on the block earlier and helped in convincing Kalia to screw up her HOH by putting up one of Kalia's own alliance members when Jeff won the POV. Adam did nothing to help that cause. Adam's vote was also a main reason why her fiance, Brendon, was evicted two weeks ago
when Jeff had a change of heart and tried to save Brendon who he betrayed by throwing the POV contest.

Adam is also closer to the K/P alliance than Shelly is. Shelly is also the ONLY person Rachel can beat in a F2. Too many people in the jury dislike Rachel and like Adam for Rachel to win over Adam even if he wins absolutely nothing or only the final HOH contest. Shelly has people who dislike her on both sides. Rachel can beat Shelly in a F2 jury vote, she can't beat Adam in a F2 jury vote. Also, while anyone can win a HOH or POV contest, I don't foresee any contest that Shelly would be favored over Rachel. As the only male left, Adam would have a huge advantage if the contest was a contest slanted towards a male, like one involving strength.

Rachel should keep Shelly in the game over Adam if she wants the chance to win if she somehow can get to the F2. It's her only chance to win the $500K.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
JBW, I said that earlier today. Rachel has just replaced Jeff in carrying Jordan to the end. If people vote personally Rachel has no chance against Jordan or Adam. Jordan was smart in her season, she took the most hated hg in the game. They didn't vote for Jordan they voted against Natalie. I would see the same thing happen this time.

Jbw
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08-14-2006

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbw a private message Print Post    
EM

Rachel has to smarten up and realize she & Brendon were this year's Michelle & Russell for Jeff & Jordan. Jeff screwed Russ in BB11 and this year he screwed Brendon by throwing the POV to Adam. Now with both gone, Rachel is this year's Michelle for Jordan. Someone to help Jordan stay alive in this game by being the bigger target and helping Jordan from going to the jury by keeping her safe in the comps. Unless she starts doing what's in HER best interest instead of Jordan's, she'll end up like Michelle with no money while Jordan walks off with another $500K. Then she and Brendon will end up like Michelle & Russell, both of whom, like everyone else in their season, have no friendship with 'America's Sweetheats'.

Hwest
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07-01-2011

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hwest a private message Print Post    
When Jordan's BB life was on the line she didn't even really try to win the Veto. She left it up to Rachel to save them both. I agree that Rachel needs to look out for herself. I agree with Earthmother and Jbw.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 4:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Sad to say, I think Jordan is going to cost Rachel the game. She clearly is not invested in winning competitions regardless of their importance to her or anyone else, and the minute Rachel doesn't win/can't play she is going up and out. Jordan needs to get her head out of her tushie and take some pain.

Not to say that Jordan should play for Rachel to win, but that Jordan's going to cause her only ally to leave the game and thereby pretty much end her own game.

Bee
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09-14-2009

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 5:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bee a private message Print Post    
Jordan may not win comps..but she won Adam over to the J/R team. He told the live feeders last night that he is with them 100% last night..and would even vote for Rach if she makes final 2. That is a game changer and a HUGE step for J/R.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Jordan is incredibly good at the social game but it isn't game. It's just her being herself. As I said in another thread, Jordan is the best player who never played. She has totally checked out and she may win again anyway.

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 6:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
She has totally checked out and she may win again anyway.


Jimmer, I can see what you mean. I noticed while watching last night's show that Jordan seemed detached. During game talk with Rachel she seems like her head is somewhere else, like she is just going through the motions.

I really think having Jeff leave and Shelly betray her has knocked the wind out of her. I really hope I'm wrong and that's not it. I'm anxious to see how she does with HOH tonight.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
I hope she ROCKS tonight's HOH!

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
All Jordan's game talk is "we have to do this, and we have to do that", translated into "you have to do this and I will be your cheerleader." Last night on the show when she told Rachel "we did good." I was like "WE", ARE YOU SERIOUS? We couldn't stay on that dummy longer than a woman with a steel rod in her back."

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 6:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
Jordan did much better than Rachel in the snake comp. I think they both see themselves as the lonely 2 vets left and are a team.
Rachel didn't seem bothered by the "WE" comment.

I bet if Jordan were to win the HOH tonight, she would still say "WE" did good.

Wally
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08-13-2011

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wally a private message Print Post    
somehow, the house seems less convoluted with Shelly gone

that said, if you are HoH Rachel now, what is the smart play
in terms of nominations? backup nom in case of veto? and then
ultimate evictee?

any thought at all to backdooring Jordan?
seeing as how Rachel could probably beat everyone
in a Final 2 except possibly Jordan, right?

no, get Porsche out at the moment.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Well, it was Rachel who won and I could guess Jordan said "we did good". However, Rachel may not be too thrilled, she may have wanted Jordan to win it so that she could still play next HOH. Now it's going to be up to Rachel to make a deal to guarantee her safety for next nomination.

Let's say she nominates Kalia and Porsche, one of them win POV and Adam goes up. Now we know that both Porsche and Jordan will keep Adam, but if Kalia wins POV, then will she keep Adam or Porsche?

Anyway, Jordan will be again carried to F4 by Rachel. Will Jordan make an effort to rescue Rachel next Wednesday? If she can't win, I think Rachel will be toast.

Libshea
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08-31-2006

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 7:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Libshea a private message Print Post    
I just don't see Rachel backdooring Jordan. Not at this stage. I think she will focus on getting either K or P out -- and after the veto and confirmation of who will go, then possibly making a deal with the remaining newbie. I do believe that Rachel could beat Jordan in the final 2. Her game play has been spot on since Brendon left. And it's always possible that the newbies would only vote for a newbie to win, so better to take someone who worked with you to get there.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 8:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Surely Rachel would win, as of now, against Jordan, it's clear now that Rachel is carrying Jorda to F3 or F2. However, what Rachel MUST do now is to strike a deal to guarantee her safety on Wednesday. Oh wait... after Kalia leaves they will be 4 and ALL of them will play for HOH.

You can see that once Kalia goes, the alliances are clear, Adam and Porsche and Jordan and Rachel. For this to happen we need Kalia gone. Then on Wednesday everyone plays for HOH but it's the POV winner that decides who goes. So that's Rachel's last chance, that POV, or else she'll follow Kalia to Jury House.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Rachel needs to get Porsche out and break that alliance with Adam.

As far as Jordan and her checked out attitude..Jordan said that she only came back because JEFF wanted to do the show again..

I think she would just as soon go to jury and be with him.

If we don't see a change in her this week we will know.

Also, Jordan needs to stay downstairs to sleep and not allow a lot of talking to go on.

Adam has already moved back into the metal room.

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 9:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
When are Jordan and R going to figure out that it would be best if one of them went to the jury house? Trouble is, they can't have any hand in it, because they want that person's vote. They'd probably have 3 sure votes (Jeff, B, and then Jordon or Rachel, whoever was out).

Is Jordan starting to figure this out, that people will think R carried her and will vote for R to win?

Jag2000
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07-01-2009

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 10:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jag2000 a private message Print Post    
If they were smart, they would get rid of Porsche. She is the only one who could compete with Rachael in a physical comp.. Kalia is OK if you have to hold on.

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 11:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
I'm afraid they'll keep Porsche and that isn't too smart. Hard to say with Kalia and her "word/deal" with Jordan and Porsche's early friendship with Rachel. Adam is dead weight and all the more reason to keep since he didn't play and is poor at comps. K or P have to go, but P is likely the better choice.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 11:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
It's really a toss up, because they each have their strengths. In the next HOH, Kalia could easily win a quiz type contest and she has shown amazing stamina in the endurance contests.I do think that the POV at F4 is most likely to be a combination of athleticism and memory which would favor Rachel/Porsche and would be critical for Rachel to win.

Ugh...so tough.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Okay, since I always think of the worst case scenario first and then the better ones, I'll go with this one.

First, POV, all of them will play. I'll go with the worst.... Kalia wins, removes herself and Adam goes up with Porsche. Will Rachel break the tie and send Adam to Jury or Porsche, that would be interesting, it would be a move against Jordan's wishes.

Another scenario, Porsche wins and removes herself Adam goes up and now we have Kalia and Adam, here no guessing, Kalia 2-0 goes to Jury.

Now if Adam wins POV and removes Porsche, Rachel will have no choice but put Jordan up and may be going to Jury. But would Adam jeopardize the good feeling Jordan has for him? I don't think he'll try hard for the veto because he doesn't want to commit, however, if he does win and does not use it to remove Porsche, then he will finally have shown his colors.

Obviously if either Rachel or Jordan win the noms remain the same and Kalia goes.

So, Let's say on Wednesday they're 4 and 3 play for HOH (I was convinced that that was the HOH that all can play), here we have Porsche, Adam and Jordan playing a comp that involves memory and skill at the same time, Porsche stands to win and will be a worthless HOH since the POV winner decides who goes. The only thing good for Porsche is that she will for sure be in F3.

So, it will be Rachel's last chance for survival with that last POV. If she wins it, Porsche will go to Jury. If Adam wins, and keeps Porsche and sends Rachel to Jury, Jordan will be so mad that she will do badly in F3 comps. If Porsche wins it will be for sure Rachel going.

But for now it seems Kalia is the one to go unless she wins. Next going could be Rachel because she will be nominated and only has 1 chance to stay while the others seem to be luckier because Rachel is there to be the target.

I can see Jordan going to F3 easily. Only if Rachel nominates Adam and Kalia and Porsche wins POV could Jordan go.

I hope Rachel has it all figured out.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Sunday, September 04, 2011 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
We find Adam again in a sweet spot, playing the game his way.

Did Adam HAVE to win because Rachel and Jordan went out fist and second?

Has he been holding back?

Rachel only goes to final 3 if she wins veto this week.

Otherwise she will go..Porsche will dump her like a lead balloon if she wins, when she should drop Jordan.

Oh well, Adam has shown that there are ways to get to the end and remain off everybody's radar..Wouldn't want a house full of them, just as we wouldn't want a houseful of Jordans' or Rachels'.

Kalia is going, there's no doubt about it ...Adam can't stand her.

Jordan is like the southern belle or salesman..You can't help but buy what she's selling.

Adam hasn't entertained me, but he has intrigued me enough to study him while surrounded by a house full of personalities.