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Wally
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08-13-2011

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wally a private message Print Post    
ousting Dani from the house will make the path to Final 2 much clearer for most of the remaining houseguests; ousting Dani is the smart move for the majority, even for Dani's allies

Cashew
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07-15-2009

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cashew a private message Print Post    
I've admittedly not seen much of the feeds this week, but has Dani even tried to get Rachel's vote. I know there is hatred there but Rachel's smart enough to not want to go to the f3 with J&J, and a f2 between Dani and Rachel maximizes both their chances of getting to the finals given that they are both great competitors. Since Adam is a lost cause, and Dani only needs one more vote, what does she have to lose? The worst that can happen is Rachel says no and tells everyone, and then Dani will be just as likely to be evicted as she is right now.

Marameko
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07-14-2002

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
Cash given the bad blood between those 2 it would likely be demeaning for Dani to go that route at this point. She probably thinks that it would be a useless endeavor and she would still get booted.Adam was her so called "saving grace".

Jbw
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08-14-2006

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 10:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbw a private message Print Post    
Even though I'm still on the 'Adam is the only one I want to win BB13 train', I thought up a pretty devious 'parting gift' Dani could give to Adam tomorrow after she's eliminated which would be helpful to her three allies left in the game (P/K/S).

First, she'd have to share the plan with Porsche and Shelly. They both need to agree to vote for Dani to stay to make it a 3-2 vote. Then Dani and Shelly had to stage a real knock down no holds-barred argument tomorrow morning within sight and sound of Jeff. Make it REAL convincing that Dani and Shelly now hate each other because Shelly refuses to vote for Dani to stay.

Then after Julie announces the vote is 3- 2 for Dani to leave, Shelly tells Dani sorry but Dani gives her the cold shoulder and gives Adam a big hug and whispers to Adam 'thanks for trying, you have my vote if you make F2' just loud enough for one of J/J/R to hear.

J/J/R will hold Adam responsible for the 'hokey vote' which may make Adam finally jump ship or at least put Adam in a tough situation with the J/J alliance.

If by chance Rachel or Jordan win HOH, because of the quick nomination and no time to think it thru, Jeff just might demand that Adam is the main target and S/K/P skate to the F6.

If K or P win the HOH they can just nominate two of J/J/R as they already planned to do.

I know the plan is devious and cruel but it's Big Brother and it might be a 'game changer' that gives a newbie a chance to win this game.

Wendy
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07-16-2009

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 11:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendy a private message Print Post    
I've admittedly not seen much of the feeds this week, but has Dani even tried to get Rachel's vote.

Nope.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Yes, she did try last night but Daniele made the mistake of telling Rachel she has Porsche and Shelly's votes and so Rachel told Jeff, but Jeff still not convinced that Shelly could laugh and sit with him while working against him.

If Jeff goes on Thursday it's his own fault for not making sure where his alliance was all this week. He sat on his laurels for too long and did not try to find out where everyone's head was. Adam did try but Jeff seemed to always turn him down as "she'll say anything to stay". He should have known than Daniele won't roll over and die and may be quite successful in flipping the votes for her to stay.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 6:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
So did Jeff make a mistake getting Dani evicted? Getting Dani evicted, left Kalia in the house and Kalia went on to win HOH and nominate Jeff. Jeff also vetoed Porsche to replace her with Dani and Porsche sealed his fate by winning POV. And then Porsche went on to win HOH.

Did Jeff overestimate Dani and underestimate her alliance?

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 6:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
No, the end results would have been the same with a Danielle and Porsche power wins and Kalia and Rachel gone, it would have been Jeff and Jordan now commiserating together (like Rachel and Jordan right now). They would have been up on the block together and either Jeff or Jordan would be going on Thursday. Either way, they were going to eliminate all Vets, even if Jeff stayed. Maybe in a parallel universe that is... and in another parallel universe Jeff may have won the HOH and not Porsche. But this is "reality", right?? eh, eh

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 6:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
I don't think he made a mistake. Dani was a strong player (and so is he) and he had an opportunity to get her out...just as they did him when they had the chance.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
The vets cleared the path for a newbie to win, which is just what Adam wanted.

Can Adam survive?...Not if he doesn't move and take some sort of control over his tenure.

Adam will try to get Rachel out as the last power player and he has too much faith in Porsche keeping him...Porsche would and will kick him out the door.

Porsche and Kalia know that the vets would vote for Adam...This is where Adam should think about protection but will be blinded with his final cushioned so-called alliances he "thinks" he has..Adam won't protect Rachel as a shield because all that's been on his mind is to get the vets out...So Adam will get stung by his allies because of his ego.

I have said for some time that Porsche is the threat, because she kept coming in second.

Porsche can't play for HOH, so this is the time for Adam or anyone else to try to get her out..otherwise Porsche goes to the end.

Porsche may consider taking Shelly to the end knowing that the vets won't give her the money...Adam better realize that also.

Getting ahead of myself which is what the HG's do.
Adam has a big decision to make...Does he leave the gun (Porsche) and take the cannoli (Rachel) or does he finally try to win a competition and take control of his destiny?

It will be interesting to see if Adam and Shelly talk....Kalia and Porsche will hole up in the HOH and they should take note of that if they do.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
No, no, I think you're right on! Csnog! This has been a game of "knocking out those who pushed too hard too soon", if you consider Keith, Dominic, Cassi among the newbies, those 3 were the "bring it on" types and are gone, then Daniele ruined the game for the Vets by breaking up too soon and Brendon was the first casualty of Daniele's wrecking game and he's gone, but what goes around comes around and so Daniele is ousted by another Vet, and this Vet is finally ousted by a Newbie because Daniele paved the way for that to happen.
Then Shelly ruined her own game by backstabbing too soon and she won't last.
Adam by allying with the Vets who are going to be in the Jury House will be seen as a major threat and will be targeted as well, since as you said, they'll think he's going to get the Jury votes.
I think it's going to be Kalia and Porsche in the finals.

Flossiebebe
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09-01-2005

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Flossiebebe a private message Print Post    
Will Adam ever step and do something or win something? I'm beginning to think that he has a mental block. I don't know why he voted to keep Jeff last night!

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Flossie- to keep in good w/ the vets- remember, unless Jordan/Rachel pull off a miracle this week, the vets have the majority of the jury votes (4 if one vet makes it to F2, otherwise 5).

Adam's problem is he needs the vets for cover right now, but doesn't want to be against one in the F2, since the vets could vote as a block.

Some might disagree, but if Adam can pull off a POV win, his best move is to use it- that way he and whoever he saves can vote out whoever Porsche is forced to put up as a replacement. Then they'll have a 3-1 advantage in the next HOH (since Porsche can't play). If he can get it so that the F3 is him, one of the other newbies, and one of the two vets, he might not even have to win the last HOH to get to F2....

It's all about this- the vets may not win the game, but they'll decide who does.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Smart thinking Wil... however, Adam wants Rachel out and won't use the Veto. Too bad, because your reasoning would have been favorable to him. Go figure...

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Spunky-He can still do it, but it'd be more difficult; if he's in as tight w/ Porsche as he thinks he is, he might be about to work around it. His worst scenario though is Rachel or Jordan winning the veto and taking themselves off- Porsche might have to put him up, which is a risk.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
What could Rachel or Jordan say to the newbies to have Adam evicted? The 4 of them are determined that it's 'their house' and want all Vets out. So, let's say that Rachel does win Veto and Adam has to go on the block. Rachel is the only one voting for Jordan to stay... unless Shelly wants to redeem herself and votes for Jordan to stay. But Shelly said JJ won already enough money and they're done.
I can't see Jordan staying.

But if it is Jordan winning the Veto, Adam is super safe since everyone wants Rachel out and only Jordan will vote for Rachel to stay.

I can't see how Adam could lose. Porsche using Adam as the pawn will only make Adam suspicious that he's not wanted in F3.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Or let's say Adam and Rachel are on the block and Jordan wins Veto, she takes Rachel off and Shelly goes up. It's going to be between Adam and Shelly. This is why Adam does not want to be nominated and for good reasons. He wants J/R up but Porsche thinks otherwise, it's enough to send bad vibes to Adam.

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I'm on board now. She should not nominate Adam. It must be R and J. Then if either wins and takes themselves off, Adam goes up. I don't think Adam is enough of a gamer to take anyone off the block except himself.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Well the strategies have gone right out the window with the reforming of the duos...Adam might have just been screwed with this twist if R/J win POV and take themselves off, thus putting him and Shelly up...Shelly still probably goes, but it's going to be a close thing perhaps..he's going to have to play to win the POV, if only to save himself.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 6:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
What nonsense is this? A duo?? Not that again!! Porsche got too curious and could have ignored the box and kept things the same. I wonder if the DR encouraged her to open the box. But what if Porsche nominates Adam and Rachel, they're not a duo. Then what?

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 7:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Porsche not open the box?

The box opening was on her to do list.

Adam and Shelly are paired
Porsche and Kalia are paired
Jordan and Rachel are paired.
Only one is evicted .

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 7:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The main person I see this could hurt is Shelly. Jordan or Rachel win the veto and take themselves off and Adam and Shelly go up and Jordan and Rachel vote off Shelly.

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 7:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
After many questions I came to that same conclusion, but what a confusion that created for me. Shelly going would be an exciting change in the game.. But I'm not getting those good vibes.. if I keep jinxing myself maybe it will come true... sometimes I do that..

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 6:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
The eviction this week is going to be one of two people- Rachel or Shelly. If R/J win veto, they control the vote, and will boot Shelly for betraying them (she backstabbed them one week too early). Kaila may or may not vote for Shelly to go, but it wouldn't matter.

If R/J stay on the block, Rachel will probably go 3-0, and that's the safest move overall. Rachel is too much of a comp threat to keep over Jordan. Jordan has to probably win a comp next week to stay- but Adam winning HOH might keep her safe, though he'd have to definitely pick a side.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 7:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Adam has picked a side...newbies

He has always made himself clear when talking to the newbies, that he wanted all the vets gone.. He just flowed with the house letting them pick each other off and staying out of the fray.

Adam wants Rachel to go this week and Jordan next week but Adam doesn't realize that Kalia and Porsche want Adam out..He has a final with Porsche, but she will think nothing of sending him out because he has friends on jury.