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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Big Brother USA ARCHIVES: Big Brother 13 - Part 5: Is Big Brother Manipulated? Fixed?: Archive through August 26, 2011 users admin

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Ronda
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07-20-2009

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 12:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ronda a private message Print Post    
i am not sure if this is the right place for this, if it's not, please forgive me : )

BUT i just saw tonight's Dick at Night show on RTZone.com. He had Crazy James, Mark Long and him self on tonight. at about 57 minutes into the show they brought up what is said and done in the DR. It is really interesting to get to hear about production from former HGs and worth taking a look at.

My 2 cents ~ this show has been on for 13 years, there has not been any scandals from former HG's saying anything about the DR or the producers fixing the game. They do complain about bad editing, but in the big picture it doesnt really matter cause of the 24/7 live feeds.......

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 12:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
THX for the info, i avoid ED tho but i bet lots of others will be super interested :-)



exHGs arent allowed to talk about details i read.in the past,

other seasons we've had long Diary room sessions put on feeds by mistake. we SAW first hand the manipulation and feeding of info/ dialogue.

however, before there was such a thing as Flashback, it was virtually impossible to prove. THIS season Button boy if FAST, very little is slipped out in general convo and i havent seen ONE Diary room mistake

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 12:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
within the last hour jeff calmly told jordan she has won this next HOH.

he's way calmer then usual - does it mean something?? we'll see

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
oh and as for the foam, why was the foam green when it came through the Drains/ sink/ shower? and white when it was spurting on HGs racing?

enquiring minds want to know

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Palmolive dishwashing soap (green liquid) makes white foam/suds...

Palmolive

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 2:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, you are correct. Former HGs are definitely bound by contract not to disclose any details about the show. Positive spin? Of course, CBS wants good publicity, but rigging/manipulation scandal? No way. I'm sure they can be sued big for it.

Like you said, DR leaks and other former feed convos in past seasons prove that the show is not legit.

I mean really, look online at YouTube. A video of Dick, Dani, and Jen whereby Jen talks about the DR influencing them (feeding info, leading) and Dick not happy about it. Then the veto complaint video from James (yeah James was a whiny baby but...) about how the comp was rigged for George to win and even says "That's not how it was supposed to happen". That whole conversation between James, Janelle, and Howie pretty much tell you that the show is fixed as much as production can fix it. The HGs aren't just fighting each other to win but BB who plays favorites and creates drama for TV. It is such an uphill battle to go onto a reality show for money. It's a no wonder people want to just leave before being voted out.

These shows are all the same. It's just that BB gives more opportunity to see it due to the feeds. They all do this kind of stuff, whether it's Survivor, AR, or any other- even those not based on money.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
if this show was fixed Janelle would have won at least once already

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    



palmolive thru the drains? maybe so

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
Pamy, I think my point is that they manipulate the HGs, games/comps, and play favorites for dramatic effect to get ratings. I don't necessarily think they pick a winner and set it up that way from day one, but they definitely have a few they prefer be there over others and try to influence a win.

A good example I think is Hell's Kitchen. You can tell early on that some of those people could never win the show or run a kitchen as an executive chef. Yet those people are kept there because they're cannon fodder for Chef Ramsey and create dramatic TV.

I mean Janelle finished 3rd both times. I'll bet BB tried like heck to get her to final 2 both times.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Rn2b, I see your point :-)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 6:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree about Janelle and the Boogie and Erika final two as pretty good evidence that BB can't force the results.

Now that Dani and Jeff are gone and the veterans are on the ropes, do people still think BB is completely controlling the outcome?

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I don't think we're saying "completely controlling", we're saying "influencing", maybe only a nuance but it's still a difference...

Bama_karen
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12-01-2010

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bama_karen a private message Print Post    
I think all the reality game shows influence the outcome. I think Survivor is one of the worst for that.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Oh I agree that BB attempts to influence things. However, some people think that they have a planned script and pick the winners.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Yeah, what Rn2b said. Let's face it - BB has had some very unlikeable winners - not just Boogie.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I don't see how it can still be claimed that the game is "rigged" towards a JJ or Dani win.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
As soon as I saw it, I thought the last Veto competition clearly favored a big strong mobile athletic man like Jeff. Was I ever wrong about that one!

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
do people still think BB is completely controlling the outcome?

no one on any site anywhere has ever said this.

so people have NEVER thought that, nor discussed it. so to quote Mr Pectacular... Point being???

rhetorical question

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 12:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
pertaining to a possible JJ win,

hey, jordan isnt gone yet. she was begging for a America vote/ coup/ diamond veto type power last night.

if i was scripting this show, this would be the week for it.

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
I still stand by my point. I mean come on, regardless of who you like or dislike. Dani goes home because of Jeff, then miraculously Kalia wins with Porcshe's veto to send Jeff packing right behind her? Could you script a show any better? The back and forth every season is so mathematically impossible. I still think they influenced that HOH last night somehow. Perhaps keying in on what certain people knew about certain events and asking those questions. I don't recall all questions but I seem to recall a lot about the n00bs.

This is a TV show and they want drama. If things played out without any influence as to HGs strengths, weaknesses, DR nonsense, and so forth, this game would most often be very boring. Yet, every season is full of drama with back and forth HOHs, vetos, shifting of power. I'm sorry the odds of that always happening are very low.

This is the reason I kind of gave up on BB after season 1 (i.e., gave up on feeds, hardcore interest). They ruined it for me by taking away our vote, but then again, remember how boring season 1 was when WE voted and saw everything? People got along mostly (Will Mega? was psycho - went home) but it was so different. I skipped a few seasons here and there, but when I do watch it's usually only if I have free time and boredom. This is the first season in ages I've watched from day one and actually posted online about since maybe BB3. I never get the feeds.

I think it's naive to think that BB is NOT doing everything legally possible to control the outcome. Does it always work? No. I do think they meet daily to discuss how to twist things around to create a drama-filled TV show. It doesn't matter who they hurt psychologically while doing it either.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
There was nothing miraculous about Kalia's and Porsche's wins. Kalia already showed she can win a quiz comp and Porsche has been close in many competitions.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 4:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Most sites say Big Brother is NOT considered a game show and so does not have to abide by game show rules or any idea of 'fairness.'

http://www.oddandstupid.com/BB8/Other/bb8_fcc_
states_that_big_brother_not_gameshow.htm


Really interesting reading:
http://public.getlegal.com/articles/survivor-reality-show

That said, I do think the producers want to present at least the appearance of having the HG determining their own fates in order to make sure the audience is vested in the proceedings; though they can and will manipulate as much as they can to get a 'good' show.

Abby7
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07-17-2002

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 5:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abby7 a private message Print Post    
i agree with those of you who think big brother is not fixed, but BB is doing some manipulating for ratings sake.

this really doesn't have to do with this topic, but wasn't sure where to comment. i'm just now watching BBAD from last night. i was surprised to learn that BB had Porsche read the Bible; it wasn't her decision to do so. when i saw her doing that on bbad, i thought it was just something she decided to do.

kalia mentioned this last night on BBAD. i get BB having them do "skits/entertainment" type stuff; but having her read the Bible? although, i'll admit i did lol over her pronunciation of "rabbi"...it rhymed with "abby".

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 5:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
back to pairs! if bb is fixed then im glad they made this move

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Friday, August 26, 2011 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
been posting that Something is going to developed to save BOTH jordan and Rachel, i'm smelling that Denmark cheese again