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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 9:39 pm
This comes up every year. Some people think that almost everything in Big Brother is fixed right down to the producers telling HG's what to say, who to nominate, how to vote and deciding who wins. However, I think that while the Diary Room attempts to manipulate the game through suggestive questioning, the houseguests ultimately make their own decisions.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 9:47 pm
I couldn't disagree more, Jimmer. They make many of their decisions based on DR talks and we have no idea what they're being told. It's been obvious time and time again that they've been redirected. There's a million ways BB can put a fix in. Even the comps are geared towards certain hg many times. The whole picking veto players is suspect as well not to mention Rachael picking the order of the HOH comp. Yeah, I know, it didn't guarantee a vet win but it certainly improved the odds. It's also too easy to throw comps. Plus, they're recycled ad nauseum. I could go awn and awn...
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Me_poster
Member
03-02-2010
| Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 9:47 pm
i don't think it is fixed. i think people cry "fixed" when things don't go the way they want them to. if the dr is messing with them- good- that is what they are supposed to do and i wish they would do it more.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 9:59 pm
lol... yeah, I'm sure ratings is just an afterthought.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 12:19 am
I know I've thrown the word "rigged" around but really what I should say is that I think it's all heavily influenced by what is said in the DR. If the DR is going to mess with them, it should be to bring out differences between HG's, etc., not give them information that would give them an advantage and I do think the DR does that. Do I have proof? Nope. Am I invested in anyone this year and therefore upset with who has won? Nope. I have only watched a grand total of 10 minutes in the last 3 weeks because I am so bored by how predictable this season is and it's only predictable when producers/DR are controlling what happens. As I've said on another thread, why did they even bother with newbies this season?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 12:41 am
I don't think the POV choice is rigged, and I don't think the competitions are rigged in that I don't think the physical conditions for one hg are different to those for another (i.e. no direct "cheating"). However I do think the HOH receives very leading questioning designed to persuade them to choose/not choose particular nominees or to generally influence their opinion of certain houseguests. They probably feel BB will essentially like them more if they act the way they perceive BB wants them to. And if the hgs seem to be going to evict one nominee and BB prefers they evict the other (for storyline reasons) I expect they use the same tactics on voting hgs. Ultimately though, I think it is up to the individual hgs whether they do what they feel/know BB wants them to do or not.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 12:48 am
Do I have proof? Nope every season we have proof. HGs repeating what the DR told them. From Russell BB11 starting fights with people that the DR told him to, to Jordan Winning HOH after rachel / dani discussing how Micheal DR wants to make sure Jordan or Jeff won that comp. Ryan immediately after DR did a 180 & decided to Boot Sharon , he went straight to Adam and Said that they Convinced him. last night I witnessed yet another Straight from DR flipflop. I can see where some idealistic fans would like to think that the DR isnt tellng them stuff but we KNOW that the HOH and often their alliance will know what kind of HOH or POV comp is coming, therefore have the Advantage to study. i'm not going to go thru my long list from multiple seasons as no doubt, it wont be believed. We all have heard the DR leaks havent we? Its Leading questions and heads up about other players.
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Caycaye
Member
09-14-2001
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 1:22 am
Come on.....to me there is no doubt that production tries to sway Hg's decisions. Absolutely obvious. But, sometimes we are lucky and a strong player does not bite and does what he/she wants to do. But as an avid live feed watcher since Day 1....the DR DEFINITELY TRIES to influence HGs decisions.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 1:58 am
Talking to people in the DR and trying to get them to look at things a different way, I can see. But Jordan won HOH because she got a 3...the closest anyone came to her score was with a 6. Unless they convinced everyone to throw the comp, I don't see how that could be arranged.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 3:51 am
Just calling the show Big Brother gives a clue as to what influence the powers that be have over the players.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 4:42 am
Former HGs have stated that the DR asks them questions and presents them with possibilities, but ultimately they feel like they are the ones making whatever their decisions are, and that HGs who try to blame the DR just do it to not accept responsibility. Former HGs also say that they check the Veto Comp Chip Bag to make sure that everyone has a chip and only 1 each. I've never heard any former HG say that the Veto Comp Chip Bag was "fixed." As for Jordan winning, everyone had the same shot at winning, she just did the best. Jeff & Brendan of course "threw" their shot, but there's no guarantee that they would have beaten her score. More likely one or both would have hit it too hard and got nothing. Same with Rachel winning HOH. The "newbs" had the same chance to win that she did, but 3 of them went out on the same question. That doesn't mean that the DR doesn't try to influence people, because it actually sounds like they do, but it's still up to the HGs to do or not do whatever choices they make.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 4:57 am
i'm not into the conspiracies/fixed too much but watch Lawon in the diary room, he always seems to be loking a little to the right as if he is reading off cue cards
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 7:11 am
From a room where confessions were supposed to be heard it became a room where BB asks questions to manipulate the game, of course BB cannot decide the outcome of a competition but they can influence the players with their suggestions or lead them to various possibilities in order to get the answers they want to air on the show. When I notice that a player is getting too 'savvy' (for example Jeff knowing Brenchel were encouraged to backdoor him last week) I know something from the DR was suggested to him or to the player who told Jeff. Somebody here said that the DR told Brendon to convince Rachel last night it's a bad idea to go after JJ at this time since they'll be isolated, but I can't believe he needed to be told by the DR when I arrived to that conclusion the day before. I think the players could see the obvious but if they're too thick I'm glad the DR can steer them to the right direction otherwise it would be too frustrating watching a bunch of idiots on tv.
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Foolscap
Member
09-04-2004
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 7:48 am
I pretty much agree with what's been said by Jimmer, Me_Poster and Kitt. The show is called "Big Brother", a concept that I understand to mean there's a power watching you all the time and trying to influence your thinking. I think it would be a little naive to think the DR wouldn't try and influence the players. Part of winning the game is being able put up with being constantly watched and resist what you're being told and think for yourself. I don't see that as rigging or fixing the game. It's Big Brother's game and up to the house guests to beat it.
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Callasin
Member
06-21-2005
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 7:49 am
From a room where confessions were supposed to be heard it became a room where BB asks questions to manipulate the game, This has always bothered me. They don't go to talk to Big Brother anymore they go to talk to production and know them by name. The character Big Brother and the housemates not knowing the full details of every little thing are both gone. When an unknown Big Brother does or says something that they don't immediately understand it can be so much fun watching them speculate and get paranoid. Candid diary room sessions are fun to watch too. Lack of both of these have made the show and feeds more boring. I don't think they are reading a script in the diary room but I think production lets them re-shoot until they are happy with the outcome. They are probably looking at a small monitor when it looks like they are reading from a card.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 9:06 am
I think ALL the reality tv shows are wanting the most explosive situations to increase ratings and that if they can I'm sure they influence things. This isn't the Olympics we're watching BUT I do get annoyed when it gets obvious. I wish they'd let the game play as it should to me that would make it more interesting. I hope we don't see any more super powers etc
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 9:06 am
"We walked out into the back yard and it was so exciting. We could hardly wait to start to play. Big Brother set up this really cool game for POV. Wow! I am so excited I can barely talk!" How often do we have to hear words like that over some stupid POV game.
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Dawn
Member
07-24-2009
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 9:29 am
i think BB definitely trys to sway things one way or the other and if they think a huge train wreck is coming they try to save it (by giving jeff the coup de tat is one example). HOWEVER, if it was 100% rigged i don't think we'd have some of the lousy winners that we've occassionally had.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 9:38 am
I agree with dogdoc. We don't need someone telling us all about the POV or whatever game they have set up in the backyard, we are going to see it and can make up our own minds how wonderful it was. It use to be the house guests told you what they were thinking when they were in the DR, not any more. It was better then. I don't think the game is rigged, but I do think it is heavily scripted to send the HG in the direction production wants. My husband thinks it is fixed.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 9:42 am
Of course it is fixed. The proof is that what I want to happen, never happens. Really, I don't think it's fixed. I the BB asks those leading, suggestive questions so the HG think about thing differently than they were but in the end each HG is supposed to be an adult with a mind of their own.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 9:42 am
After All Stars, my sister and I had dinner with Danielle Reyes and her mother, and we asked her this question. She said that the diary room asks questions to make you consider all possibilities, but they don't push you in any direction. So if Rachel went into the DR and said she wanted to get rid of Jeff, or Dom, or Lawon, they would ask about the ramifications of doing that, and how each would affect her game.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 10:06 am
Oregon, I said same thing about Lawon!!! His DRs are so scripted it annoys me! Rachel's also come off very scripted, she doesnt seem to be reading cue cards but they do seem like she was told what to say. I like Rachel so I wish she would come off more natural in the DR
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 11:09 am
we are lucky and a strong player does not bite and does what he/she wants to do. we have seen PROOF of what happens when a player doesnt do what the DR tells them to. Diary room were working on J n J over and over again but jeff was firm, get rid of russel and break up that f4 alliance. immediately after that refusal to follow DR orders, jeff was ousted. his edit also changed in that next tv show. many of us felt that it was a J n J final two until jeff refused to follow DR. most HGs arent stupid. they will conform to what the DR suggests because they feel that BB is a gate to further jobs/ exposure. like i said earlier, i can give TONS Of examples based on solid facts. but I cant comprehend for anyone. If a person wishes to believe its all random, ok, but since when does a 90lb girl and a 230lb guy hanging by legs have an EVEN and EQUAL chance at HOH?? dani won that comp. Rigged? well lets say 'guided'
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 11:19 am
OMG, Conspiracy theories again!!!lol Somehow I don't think the DR wanted Adam to win, or some of the other bizzare endings. Just like the book 1984 Big Brother plants seeds, some maybe true but I'm sure others are not. This however is a tv show made with real money to make real money. They owe their audience something other than a snore fest, which most of us complain about. So what if they are interferring??? Do you want the game cancelled? If if offends anyone then maybe they shouldn't watch. I love BB and would hate to see it end, so conspiracy or not I will sit back and enjoy watching our hamsters. I don't care who wins or who loses, it's the process and this forum that is the fun part.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 11:41 am
I think that the DR tries to influence the game to make it more interesting and ultimately have more appealing players win but the very unpopular winners we have had clearly demonstrate that the DR has limited power. Like anyone wanted to see a Boogie and Erika final two or anyone wanted to see Maggie and Ivette as final two? As well, the well documented and observed disasters surrounding the BB twists (e.g. their saboteur getting eliminated in the first HOH last year) also demonstrate that BB has limitations when trying to manipulate the game. They try (as they should because they are "Big Brother") but ultimately the players decide.
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