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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Big Brother USA ARCHIVES: Big Brother 13 - Part 5: Is Big Brother Manipulated? Fixed?: Archive through September 02, 2011 users admin

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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 6:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Like I said before, if the HOH was a Q&A and Kalia kicked butt, there would be no need for this thread...right?!

So you really think it's as obvious that Kalia would win a Q & A competition as it was totally obvious that Rachel would win that physical challenge? And of course the POV would have had to have been a Q & A as well.

No one other than Rachel could have won those last two challenges. They were a slam-dunk for her along with the duo twist.

It will also be interesting to see if Rachel's consequence for choosing to open Pandora's Box (assuming she does open it) is as game changing as Porsche's. I'll be very surprised if it is.

Kittyab
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07-15-2005

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 6:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittyab a private message Print Post    
I think if the game was rigged Jeff would had won that clown shoe veto and still be in the house.

Season 6 & all stars they said the show was rigged for Janelle to win well she didnt in either.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 6:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Lainee...I know what you mean. (from Jump the Shark Thread)

My point is, Big Bro is SUPPOSED to interfere with the HG's game play. Its all about control. The HG's think they have control of the game, when in fact, control is in the hands of an unseen power aka, Alison G and the production staff.

Personally I think the production staff is getting better at their manipulations than in previous years...and that's why I think this season is one of the better seasons in awhile!!

I also think that production's control is limited. They can try to manipulate the HG's into voting certain ways, they can even set up competitions to favor, but the final outcomes do rest with the HG's...and the HGs/comptetions don't always go the way Production has intended.

I think Alison and the production team should start a thread about how the HGs are constantly messing with their game!! NOW that would be a thread I would LOVE to read...

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
For sure, Kep, for sure!

I can hear Alison and production "We keep putting comps out there for HG1 to win but they are so busy throwing comps they can't win what is put in front of them!" "If HG2 had voted the way we hinted then they would still be in the house and in the game!"

ROFL

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 6:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Like I said about the clown shoe comp, Jeff probably should have won that one since he was by far the fastest competitor. LOL - BB didn't expect Jeff to dive into the balls and throw his shoe off to one side. I bet there was some cursing in the control room when that happened.

Anyway, at least that was a competition that the others had a shot at winning.

By the way, I'm not particularly bent out of shape by production interfering. They are Big Brother! I just find it hard to understand why other people don't see the interference.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
LOL

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 7:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Speaking of being a fly on the wall, sometimes I would like to be one in the control room!

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I have never felt it was "rigged", I've always maintained that BB was supposed to be manipulative. If the POV were a game of chance we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't think people are saying that BB should not be manipulating things, after all that is the premis of the show. However to set up a physical challenge (two in a row) and throw in the PD twist it's hard to overlook the fact that it was giving a very large advantage to one player.

I still think promises were made to R/B to get her to agree to return, and there might be something contractual that they are afraid of. I have believed this since early on in the game, especially with the editing she has received. In the past when a hg has said something that was horrendous they have always shown it, but they ignored Rachel's comment about Jeff oogling her in the shower. That was major, but never aired. They also didn't air Jeff's comments on the gay character from Harry Potter. But they did air every one of Shelly's moves and conversations. She was always given a poor edit. Fair NO, manipulated for Rachel YES

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 7:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
OH MY Lainee...that would be something...

Jimmer, I don't mind people not seeing the interference. If they don't see it, then they aren't bothered by it and still enjoy the show!!

I just don't understand people who see it and then cry foul whenever BB manipulates the game.

Why shouldn't production manipulate the game, or try to? I read posts about it being done, and how unfair it is, but they don't say why exactly its unfair for production to try to sway someone, or set up a game for someone to win.

Since the game is called Big Brother, why shouldn't the production staff and Alison G. try to manipulate and control the HGs?

Now there's a good thread...

Tvwatcher
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04-17-2004

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvwatcher a private message Print Post    
I think BB has jumped the shark (per the other thread) and is blatantly manipulated. I do NOT think that is the concept of this show. People can post all of the definitions of "Big Brother" that they want, but in my opinion, that is not what Endemol's BB is supposed to be about. I remember watching other countries' BB and their DR BB was monotone, like a computerized voice. It was there as an ear to listen to the HGs, or to hand out punishment. Not to manipulate the game for their favourites.

But the U.S. BB has evolved into something so far from the original concept, that they should change the name of the show, cuz this isn't BB! And I don't blame the producers for the downward spiral, I blame the viewers. As longs as the viewers will continue to watch a show where AG could run into the backyard and physically drag a favoured HG across the finish line in a comp to ensure he/she wins (that's how blatant it's going to be next year ) then there is no incentive for the producers to change a thing. They're getting the viewers despite, or because of, the blatantly obvious manipulations, so it's only going to get worse each year.

Evidently I'm on my own island of not watching any more - I come to the BB forum every now and then with the hope that finally people are getting fed up, and maybe that message will work its way to AG, but I guess that's not going to happen.

So I'll catch up with my tv viewing, and wait for the fall season of shows to start

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 7:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Why did the title change? Isn't Big Brother all about manipulation? There is a HUGE difference between manipulation and fixed.

M4nd33
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07-12-2011

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 7:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send M4nd33 a private message Print Post    
I don't think the show could be called Big Brother if manipulation wasn't involved.

Competitions may be geared toward one competitor or one type of competitor over others, but that doesn't mean the one you want to win WILL win.

In that same sense the DR staff can say/ask/demand/coerce whatever, but that doesn't mean people are automatically going to do what is asked of them.

The house is designed to make people feel paranoid, and production plays on that.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
As longs as the viewers will continue to watch a show where AG could run into the backyard and physically drag a favoured HG across the finish line in a comp to ensure he/she wins (that's how blatant it's going to be next year ) then there is no incentive for the producers to change a thing.

This theory has been going on for many seasons, yet Alison still hasn't made it to the finish line with favored HG in tow.

I guess the only people who truly know the premise of the US BB show, is Alison G. and the production team.

But I'm betting on the George Orwell's 1984 premise.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Manipulating the game is fine. Manipulating the game to favor one over another is not IMO.

Seriously. Why did Rachel get to pick the order of the HOH comp as outgoing HOH? When has that EVER happened before OR since?

PB has ALWAYS been reward vs punishment pertaining to HOH vs the house. And we've always known it was coming. This PB was completely different. We didn't know about even the possibility; while it rewarded the HOH, it also punished them (didn't even get to pick the duos); it punished 2 that considered themselves safe and gave hope to the 2 vets who well knew one was leaving the house.

Shelly's big move didn't oust her; the PB did. Not to mention the made-for-RJ comp (although I guess they didn't know about J not doing pain).

Three physical comps in a row? Really? lol

They crossed the manipulation line this year.

Govols
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07-18-2005

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
Every year this is discussed.
Manipulated or not~so what. Some think they KNOW who will win a certain comp. Whatever. I have seen many surprises to that theory. Tell me what comp would be fair for everyone.
If I were in BB, I would know that I couldn't do physcial comps and would have to beef up my social game. It's not AG's fault if the HG's can't do that, but the opportunity is there.
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Chere
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08-10-2005

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
I'm all for the manipulation if it benefits the hgs I am rooting for. I'm against it when it helps the hgs I hate. Even if a certain hg receives favor, they still have to rise to the occasion and win key competitions to make the advantage work in their behalf. For example, the DE veto was made for Jeff to win, but he screwed up and threw the clown shoe out of the box. Another example. The last veto and last night's HoH comp both favored Rachel's physical strength and she took advantage of both by winning. We've seen producer manipulation fail and succeed this season. In the end, it's the hgs that make it work or not.

Ark
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07-10-2001

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 9:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ark a private message Print Post    
I'm all for the manipulation if it benefits the hgs I am rooting for. I'm against it when it helps the hgs I hate.

EXACTLY!

Govols
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07-18-2005

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
Chere~I believe that's it in a nutshell.

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
Chere,exactly!
We weren't seeing any comments about the show being "fixed" or "manipulated" when the HOH was being controlled by Dani and Kalia for 3 weeks in a row.

And when Dani walked about the door, Kalia and Porche immediatly won HOH and POV and got Jeff out the door, we didn't see much discussion on the show "fixing" it so Jeff would leave next.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 3:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That's because they didn't manipulate it against Jeff. Jeff should have won that POV. Even Jeff thinks he should have won it.

How does Rachel's Pandora's Box compare to Porsche's Pandora's Box as a game changer? It made no difference at all. Coincidence? Maybe?

I don't think you can make the assumption that only non-J/J fans think it is manipulated in their favor. I'd probably be happier than most of the people on this board if Jordan were to win - but I still think it is manipulated.

None of this stops me from enjoying the show so this isn't a complaint from my point of view. It's more an observation.

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 4:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
None of this stops me from enjoying the show so this isn't a complaint from my point of view. It's more an observation.

Jimmer, I totally see it as just an observation on your part. But I can't say the same about the whole board.

I do see manipulation in the game, I'm just here trying to play devil's advocate.

And I'd be right there with you in being pretty happy to see Jordan win again.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
I have never doubted it being manipulated...I still love the show and do not complain. And me three on being right there pretty happy if Jordan won again. But, I would also be happy to see Rachel win.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
this thread is about manipulation and examples, not lecturing to us who can clearly and intelligently see patterns and who is 'earmarked' to win. i didnt think this thread was about trying to make people seem foolish.

its beyond random when prediction accuracy is at 80%. if jordan didnt choke and jeff didnt dive into his balls in a frenzy, both should have won "their" comps. i agree with whomever above said production must have been swearing in teh control room LOL

most of you know me from BB1, i went by a different name then and lurked mostly. since bb3 i've been able to pick the producers chosen F4 by week two each season. Its a fun hobby for me. I'd eagerly wait for each Eviction and resulting HOH with baited breath wondering whether my theory was correct. sometimes things happened, like BB11 jeff getting paranoid and my f4 is ruined as russell was eliminated, but i still happily watched, capped, argued and laughed with everyone at the HGs.

this season has been different. It just isnt as fun for me. Is it because BBUK kinda has ruined me as to how the REAL bigbrother is supposed to be played? is it that REAL big brother with its true orwellian background and its distant but controlling BB Diary room that I crave??

yes

regardless of the Prev posters definition of big Brother, its apparent that it doesnt cover production manipulation the Decisions of HGs during their gameplay.

BB is supposed to monitor and direct people's actions.....but the definition does NOT say slant comps or change houseguests minds as to gameplay/ evictions.

this season has been the most blatant for that.

but i'm still holding my nose and checking out the threads to see if by some MIRACLE, Jordan or rachel get eliminated next LOL

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 5:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
So we moved from "rigged" to "manipulated", well I could say "controlled", "monitored", "coached" tutored, etc...

Sometimes it's obvious they are being "coached" in the DR, those phrases we heard from Jordan "I forgive but I won't forget", and "fool me once, shame on you, and fool me twice, shame on me", Mmmmm was she reading some cards in there?? And both sentences she made sure she said them twice, in the DR and with Julie, where's the spontaneity in that?

I don't mind some "manipulation" or "nudging", it's still up to the players to make the best of that. Sometimes, it fall flats, like Daniele and Jeff leaving the game, they blew it. Jeff had an easy POV but he threw the shoe and never saw it, Daniele got immunity for a month but then played too hard and got kicked out.
Porsche could have ignored PB but didn't. It's really up to the players.

Luvbbplayers
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07-14-2006

Friday, September 02, 2011 - 6:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvbbplayers a private message Print Post    
only thing bad was danielle having production friends tellingher stuff