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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 11:48 am
Fixed, influenced, set up, whatever.. it has definitely deteriorated over the years. And while they have always said they set up the competitions for the season so of course it is just coincidence when a certain comp favors a certain HG at the right time.. well maybe so but when you bring back former HG then you KNOW ahead of the season which comps might just favor one of them.. and yesterday evidently Brendon and Rachel were quite happy to have a spelling comp for POV and she even said it was harder than in their season but of course "they" knew they had good competitors for that comp in B/R and Jeff. hmm I'm not saying she is correct, but with former HG there certain IS knowledge of what might be good comps for them. Not much of a conspiracy theorist but it is hard to believe in so many coincidences.. or in things that just happen like letting HOH determine the order of play for the next HOH comp??? or letting someone who dramatically goes on slop for two weeks to benefit from the food voted for the have nots, but not have to BE a have not and then to let that person avoid the slop by eating from an HOH basket that just "happens" to be loaded with goodies and food and wine. But it keeps their "star" happy. So you see this person "on slop" just constantly eating from a seemingly endless supply of food. Takes away from the supposed punishment quite a bit. Think of Dani Reyes locked in a small room with just slop and a bucket.. THAT was a real punishment. Rachel's being on slop is sort of like Lindsay Lohan being on house arrest, having parties on her roof.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 11:55 am
Rachel's being on slop is sort of like Lindsay Lohan being on house arrest, having parties on her roof. I'm sure Danielle Reyes has worse to say about that!!
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Meggieprice
Member
07-09-2001
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 12:23 pm
I tend to think they manipulate things- but I expected J/J to win this POV if that was the case and was surprised they didn't.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 12:53 pm
Fixed. Forced. Flop. It's the F season. lol
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Konamouse
Member
07-15-2001
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 1:13 pm
"What would you say/think if [insert HG name] wanted to backdoor/put up/vote out [insert another HG name]?" "What were you thinking before/during/after the [insert competition/night time activity, etc]?" "Who do you think is your biggest competition & how would you get rid of them?" "What would you think if [insert HG name] wanted to [insert activity]?" "Describe the [insert activity] event(s) and what you were thinking". (and if the producer didn't like what the person said they would say "Can you rephrase that?" None of these questions tell the HG what to do but some times may be considered a leading question. And when they restate their answer, it can come out looking scripted. I wouldn't doubt there might be a monitor but more likely it's a reflective surface that Lawon is looking at (since they film through glass) - so he's probably looking at himself (LOL).

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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 1:40 pm
I personally don't fret about this too much. If it were truly fixed, the favorite players would always win, and we know that's not true.. lots of times the favorite players are voted out.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 1:44 pm
I'm sure that they let the houseguests do multiple takes of the DR's until they say what they want to say with some clarity. It's only a one hour show and they can't have someone sit there hemming and hawing for ten minutes before they get something out. I remember back in Season 3 when Jason was leading a food competition. Back then we could still watch some of the competitions on the live feeds and one of the funniest parts of this particular one was the number of re-takes they had to do when Jason messed up reading the instructions. They did take after take. Yes I think BB manipulates the game. However, while they may encourage them or try to persuade them, I don't think they force the houseguests to nominate certain people or vote a certain way.
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 1:56 pm
The production schedule is set way in advance, with a few Plan B. scenarios thrown in just in case, I'm sure. So I don't think which competition happens when is catered to any certain house guest. I think the DR probably tries to plant seeds, shake up the common wisdom of the house. In general I don't buy the conspiracy talk.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 2:28 pm
But this year they had certain people coming back so even the fixed schedule could be leaning to their strengths.. not saying they were but it sure would be much easier than with a whole crop of newbies/unknowns. I really don't fret much but for many reasons, this season simply is turning out to be less fresh than some others. Um.. for me.. not speaking for anyone else. And despite that, I certainly AM grateful that they have no drug dealer HG, or at least talking and bragging about that.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 2:31 pm
I like how people's proof that things are rigged are things houseguests who lie 90% of the time about everything to everyone say to other houseguests. We take the people who we KNOW are lying most of the time and use what they say as proof of something nefarious going on. Sometimes it can be frustrating, especially if you pull for one side or another. I find this highly annoying during season 8 when I hated the Donatos, but at the end of the day, no I don't think they are rigging things. I think the producers are so obsessed with meeting their tv schedule and with making sure all their little games get done properly on the air that they literally have no time to worry about the game itself. They are absolutely obsessed with the actual production and care nothing about the game.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 2:36 pm
I think Alison Grodner is plenty concerned about the game and surprising us with twists and turns and HG she thinks we find the most outrageous.. she has others to handle the production stuff.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 3:09 pm
I also think that Allison picks the winner and that is who wins. I have never thought it was the favorites who win, but Allion' fav. I just think it is really obvious this year that BB is no longer random and is very directed.
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Maris
Member
03-27-2002
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 3:13 pm
and because it is directed it is a dead bore. I don't have the feeds but I record the showtime after dark and basically just fast forward through it. The people are boring, their ideas are predictable and it is time for this show to just go away. Nothing interesting at all.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 3:21 pm
right now, on flashbacks it will be 315 pm cam 1 or 2, jeff talking about how PRODUCTION wants them broken up. instant FOTH!! the proof is regularly shown ON feeds. i truly dont care what exHGs have said about what the DR says. There is no reason for anyone to admit the game is rigged.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 3:27 pm
Sure Production wants them broken up. Doesn't mean they'll get it done. And how do we know that isn't Jeff just speculating. Production told him that they want them broken up? Why would they tell them? How many times did the houseguests "know" that their season was the last season of BB?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 3:33 pm
Conspiracy theories it amused me greatly when people see a diary room leak and others somehow decide its a conspiracy when we talk about it. it comes down to solid facts. IF a person is lying, the question is why? there is no advantage to them to spill the beans. to call it all conspiracy theory is to suggest everyone is lying, the watchers are lying and the diary room stuff we've seen thru the years was deliberately leaked, just to add to the conspiracy. Brendan and jeff are talking game right now, and it sounds so scripted. <<<< notice that is a conclusion/ a theory earlier jeff says that production wants them broken up <<<< a fact that was voiced on feeds, NOT me coming to a conclusion or paraphrasing or MAKING STUFF UP. another analogy? can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink. i dont care if watchers miss the important glitches/ mistakes that foth doesnt catch. Other seasons we had a thread for THings FOTH is HIDING. this is commonly noticed by others not just myself
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 3:52 pm
So "Production" gave Jeff advance notice that they want them broken up? That's nice of them but I find that hard to believe. Why tell them? Wouldn't it be better/easier to just do it? I'm not saying that Jeff didn't say it. What I am saying is it may just be him guessing that and that it is not based on anything that the DR specifically told him.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 3:56 pm
If it was so innocent, they'd show us some of it if for nothing else but to quash the conspiracy that it's become. Instead, we get cartoony descriptions of the back yard and rehearsed, scripted sound bites. It's a sad day when you can predict this game with such certainty as we've had this season. Pitiful.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 4:10 pm
Actually, he said that Rachel told him that production told her that production wanted them broken up. In other words, it's bull puck.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 4:15 pm
"Rachel told him that ....." OK, it must be true because Rachel never lies or misinterprets anything.

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Foolscap
Member
09-04-2004
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 4:17 pm
These cries of "fixed" and "rigged" seem seem kind of like someone finding out Santa Claus" doesn't really land his sleigh on your roof every Christmas. Like many have said, Production (or whoever talks to the house guests in the DR) can try and manipulate however much they want. They are allowed to lie just like the house guests. It's up to the house guests to take what they're told with however many grains of salt they want. They don't have to act or vote on what they're told.What can production actually do to them? Give them a bad edit on the TV show? That doesn't really have any effect on winning the game. The viewers don't vote. I know there are certain America's Choice type things, but they don't seem to mean much. Lying and manipulation are part of the game. And all Tv shows are directed to one degree or another. I take this all into consideration and still enjoy the show. I have watched since the first season, liked some more than others. But if I thought the show was letting me down in some way or was somehow outraged by it, I'd probably not bother to watch it. And I doubt my veiwership would be missed. It's just a Tv show.
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Lainee
Member
07-19-2005
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 4:20 pm
I totally agree with you, Foolscap! I wouldn't be missed if I quit watching...and I enjoy the show and try not to get too discouraged at the comments...
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Kreno
Member
08-21-2005
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 5:12 pm
I thought Big Brother was considered a game show, and if that is true there are laws about rigging a game show.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 5:34 pm
Again people never heard production say any of this stuff. They hear houseguests make claims they were told by production. As to why they would make stuff up, are you serious? Again 90% of the time houseguests are talking they are lying. Why would they lie about what production says? it is pretty obvious. There has been no actual evidence of any of this being true even though we have had houseguests out of the house for years and years and years and none of them have made a believable argument that any kind of real manipulation is going on. You have to remember the houseguests are all amazingly paranoid and they try to read things into what they are being told by everyone, including their production interviews. They are hoping they can figure stuff out by the questions they are being asked what other people might have said. There is no evidence to support any of this. Cassi was a popular house guest who had the potential to play a big role this season. Why would they have not saved her at let someone else go? We are not privy to the DR sessions and the only people who ever talk about them are people who are biased and looking for boogey monsters in the first place. I bet if you could sit down and see an entire season of DR interviews you would first of all be very bored, and secondly find there was not any real manipulation going on besides the producers trying to get their coverage for their tv show.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 5:48 pm
Kreno, while BB houseguests are playing a game, it is not considered a game show and doesn't fall under the same rules.
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