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Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Right now it's Shelly begging Jordan for another chance, so I think Jordan is in the driver's seat. And she's not being mean about it to Shelly's face. She's very polite, but also honest. Not how Shelly dealt with her.

Jushvnfn
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07-29-2006

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jushvnfn a private message Print Post    
OK, I know this is going to sound crazy but...in the first few weeks I thought that Shelly was one of the CEO'S with CBS and they where doing Undercover Boss. I kind of liked her too.
After the incident with Rachel's shorts, it all changed for me.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Shelly's perception of Rachel back when she made those comments are not all that different than what was being posted here. As we have all said Rachel's behavior then and now are much different. If this Rachel can be forgiven for her past behavior so should Shelly imo. Rachel played a horrible social game in the beginning and I attribute much of that to Brendon. Shelly was all on board with J/J, but Jeff taking Rachel's side over hers made her do things that were not acceptable in some's opinion, but I think she was just as frustrated as Rachel was. If Shelly's behavior, turning on Jeff, puppynapping, and mean talk about Rachel is going to considered characteristic of her why isn't Rachel's behavior when she was behaving so badly and throwing J/J under the bus to Dani not being called characteristic of her? Rachel would have voted Jeff out in a heart beat if Dani had put him up, and they were in an allience with J/J too. Shelly never campaigned against Jeff or Jordan until it was clear that they were not going to honor their deal with her. Even then she would never have gone after Jordan.

The house, and the situations that occur in the house force you to do what you would prefer not to do. It makes me sad and confused when I read things said about her life outside the house, when we have no idea what she is really like.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
The situations do not *force* you to do anything. You may choose differently because you are under stress, but no one has a gun to their heads.

and yes, other people were turning on J/J, as J/J were turning on other people.

So the question is: why do people see Shelly's behavior differently?

And the answer is: because it WAS different. No one else pretended to be someone's lifelong friend and adolator, offering them future 6-figure incomes and THEN turned on them.

As I said, Shelly's lying is more like the guy who lied about his wife being sick, than it is about alliances being broken. There are some lines that you shouldn't cross. She crossed it.

You may not see it. But the 'masses' do. :-)

Brenda1966
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07-02-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Maybe Shelly is genuine in her gesture to get Jeff a job. I think she did and still does adore Jeff and Jordan.

I don't get it either Earthmom.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
When Shelly voted Jeff out, after weeks of saying that she was playing for Jeff and Jordan to get to the end, she said that she had to play for her family. Yet yesterday, when she was talking to Rachel, she was saying that she would play for Rachel to win because she and Brendon were such a great couple. So who does she really adore and who is she really playing for?

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I don't believe a word that Shelly says. Shelly is playing to win tis for herself. If J or R believe anything she says then they need to be evicted asap. Shelly lies, I know they all do but somehow Shelly lies more personally.

Me_poster
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03-02-2010

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Me_poster a private message Print Post    
i for one have never believed that bb comps were fixed. is still don't. i think there are too many variables and when a hg is nervous can blow a quiz, question answer or physical comp. plus it's an even playing across the board as some of course are going to be better physically while others better mentally and some both.

what i find especially hinky about this twist is that julie had made no mention on thursday show about an upcoming twist "that can change the game" in the bb house. us viewers have never been "got" by the "expect the unexpected". how many of us knew on thursday that something was going to happen or pandoras box was going to come back?

i don't care that it came back and porche used it,just seems weird to me that we,the viewers, didn't even know or expect it.

but i guess that is bb and they finally "got" us.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
I agree, Karuuna.

Don't forget Jordan gave Shelly an out from the F3 deal with J/J less than 48 hours before Dani's eviction and Shelly chose not to accept it even though she was actively campaigning votes on Dani's behalf. Shelly reassured Jordan on Tuesday night in the HoH room that she was all in and they even solidified a F2 deal just in case Jeff was evicted sooner. Shelly turning was justifiable in the context of the game, but it doesn't discount the harshness of the move either.

Me_poster
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03-02-2010

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Me_poster a private message Print Post    
there have been way too many houseguest who have come out of the house and learned the houseguest they detested in the game turned out to be totally different in real life. i don't buy and never have bought, that the person in the game is exactly the same on the outside.

i have been in pressure cooker like circumstances in life that i did and said things i normally wouldn't do and were not who i was. i have seen lifelong friends do things they normally wouldn't do. luckily i have a strong support system of friends who help me deal with such circumstances, the houseguests don't have that opportunity while in the game.

i will reserve judgement and give the houseguest the benefit of the doubt (even those i don't care for, like brendon) until i meet them in real life.

i think it's wrong that rachel has not been able to become employed because her actions in the house, she seems to be a very bright girl and should not be judged because of a tv show which premise is to lie, backstab and manipulate to win a half million dollars.

jmo

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
what i find especially hinky about this twist is that julie had made no mention on thursday show about an upcoming twist "that can change the game"

Julie said the twists aren't over, or there are more twists to come, or something to that effect.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
yikes three pages of comments.

oh and I'd have to rewatch, but i'm pretty sure that JC said it to JEFF, not to us the audience.

Maybe someone can confirm this but I heard that they didn't give Porsche her letter from her Dad until after she had made the decision to open Pandora's Box. So she felt even more pressured to open it thinking it involved something to do with her Dad.

jimmer, what i heard P say, is that the Lack of stuff in her HOH room from her dad, AND the lack of the Letter from her dad had her convinced that the PB would involve HIM. when she saw the two glasses and the bottle.

But other than that tidbit, I really havent much else.

havent had kalia feeds on much, I have had it up to here with Mouths of Food while talking. Honestly, i have no idea how she doesnt CHOKE.

as for shelley, SIGH shelley shelley SHELLEY (said like marcia marcia MARCIA bradybunch)

i really think she faltered by not jumping ship earlier.... but being ON the block with Brendan and Knowing JJ were considering ousting her, it got her thinking.

i dont believe she was planning to turn on jordan ever. However, jordan obviously didnt remember the talks in which people reminded her jeff had to go or he'd win the show.

Jordan acted like she was shocked. even RAchel talked to Jordan that jeff had to go and Jordan agreed (from what i recall)

Muffin
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08-29-2007

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Muffin a private message Print Post    
Chere, I disagree with you re the F3 and F2 deal between Shelly and Jordan. Jordan saw at that time that Shelly might be flipping and she was backed into a corner and made that deal. Jordan was not going to keep it. The first part of that conversation was when Shelly asked Jordan about their alliance and Jordan told Shelly that at F5 they are all on their own. Shelly' response was that then she would have no chance to ever get to the finals that way because of JJR being tight.
Jordan told Shelly what Shelly wanted to hear. When Jordan told the conversation to Jeff he was furious that Shelly would even ask for that.
I watched it while it was happening and that is what I saw and heard.
When Jordan told Shelly about what would happen at F5, it basically confirmed what Dani had told her earlier - that be keeping Jwff you might as well just write out the check to him now.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 2:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
For me, it comes down to this...

Do you believe that Shelly wants to stay only to push Rachel and Jordan to the Final 2? Of course not. She wants to win. But she says that with utter and complete sincerity, to the point that people watching her (and even the people listening to her in the house) truly want to believe her.

She told the exact same thing to Jeff and Jordan (and I even think to Dani/Kalia/Porsche at one point, but I can't remember the exact wording or combination) that she's saying now. If it's a lie now, why do people think it was the truth then? And if it was a lie then, then her entire relationship with Jeff and Jordan was based on a lie and was simply a means by which she could stay in the game and win 500,000.

I don't think for one second that Shelly ever considered going to F4 with both Jeff and Jordan and then, suddenly and miraculously, realized that it was a bad idea. She is way too good at this game to have ever considered being at that point with those 2. She was hoping all along that Jeff and Jordan would get split up and her hands could stay clean. When it wasn't happening on its own, she hoped she could keep Dani and blame it on Adam and Rachel. Then, once Jeff was gone at Dani's hand, she could manipulate her way into F2 with Jordan, figuring she could out talk her in the F2 questions.

There's nothing at all wrong with playing a personal game. Dr. Will did it with Janelle and he almost won BBAS. But it's a strategy that can have repercussions, so one must be sure that you can handle the fallout when it happens. Shelly is trying to recover her game by continuing with the same ego stroking and lies and I think it's actually making it worse, at least in Jordan's eyes.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
No one held a gun to their heads to believe her either. She got them to trust her, and she bailed. Just like Jeff would have bailed on her if the shoe was on the other foot after insisting he was tight with her and Adam for final 4. If she had not gone to Jordan and talked to her about it she might never have known.

Promises in real life should never be broken, but promises in BB are meant to be broken, if you find yourself in a situation that puts you on the losing end of the deal.

We don't know for sure that Shelly won't keep her promises of finding Jeff and Rachel a good job. She seems to have a lot of contacts. I truly believe she likes these people. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
I didn't say anyone held a gun to their heads to believe her. But she's really, really, really good. So good that people here are still believing that she really does want to be J/J's friend (and now even R???), that it wasn't all game play.

Now, imagine you're in the house and you have that focused at you. Are you going to believe it? Definitely, because it feels so darn real. Are you going to feel tremendously betrayed when you're slapped in the face with it not be real? Most definitely. It's a game, but when you play it personally, people tend to take that personally.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't recall much in Shelly's DR's that indicated that she was maliciously or deviously deceiving Jeff and Jordan early in the game. For example, in contrast, Dani was quite clear (and entertaining) in her DR's and she emphasized that she was playing for herself.

Often the players like Shelly who seem to generate the most anger are the ones who start the game by trying to create relationships and play honestly and above board and who then slide down a slippery slope into deceit once the game moves farther along. The fans feel deceived along with the other players.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i think Shelley's offer of income is based on HER ability to market them. J J is something Shelley would LOVE to market. Shelley has on two occasions, while I listened, done a marketing spiel of how she Wants to work with CBS to market/supply BB hats & shirts etc.

hooking up with America's sweethearts and even America's underdog/ villan, COULD work to shelley's advantage OUTSIDE the house. But i've never found her pitches convincing.

I dont believe CBS would let her take control of its marketing as per BB, but who knows what she was promised to go on the show.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, just because someone doesn't think they are devious, doesn't mean they are. I don't think Shelly meant to hurt them. But as a friend of mine says "just 'cause you didn't mean to, doesn't make me hurt any less."

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
IF Shelly would OWN her style of gameplay in her DR's I don't think she'd be getting the type of reaction she is.

Like with Dr.Will, Danielle Reyes, Matt, others like Boogie who'd talk to the fans as if we were intelligent and come clean about their deceptions, manipulations, exaggerations etc.

I'm not sure Shelly realizes that we want players like her in the game and don't hate her one bit we love the drama. We just also want her to not give us her same lines she is using with the other houseguests. It's almost like Shelly is so "in character" that she can't see it herself or doesn't feel being honest in the DR's is a good thing.

I know Shelly was very concerned about Dani's friends in production and I wonder if that's why her DR's aren't as forthcoming.

Maris
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03-27-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
Exactly Shenagon!!!!! her spiel in the diary rooms are as false as her agreements are in the house so basically, it isnt that we cant trust her it is that we dont know her. Don't BS the viewers. As Oliver Babitsch said in West Wing, "Time for her to go write her book"

Onlyhuman
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08-04-2001

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Onlyhuman a private message Print Post    
But if Shelly really meant what she said, why did she say the same thing to other people?

Shelly knew all along the dangers of pairing up with Jeff and Jordan. She mentioned it to Adam, she mentioned it, in passing, to other people. It's not like this was some big secret to her, that she suddenly went...oops, I didn't realize those two would be inseparable and hard to beat in an F4 with Adam. It was clear from the start what was being offered to her....final 6, then final 4. Final 2 was never an option with Jeff and Jordan. She claimed that this didn't bother her, that she was more than happy to just push them to that point.

No one plays the game this hard, with so many balls in the air, only to be playing for third place.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Oh I agree. Shelly is either trying to deceive everyone (including the fans) or she is oblivious to what she is doing. It will be very interesting to see her exit interview and post game interviews to see how she continues to handle the situation.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Shelly actually admitted in her diary that she was spinning every direction and trying to say anything to right the ship before the live show last Thursday. I give her credit for that, but I don't believe most of the rest she says.

I will be interested to hear what she says when she leaves the house, also.

Maris
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03-27-2002

Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
blah blah blah, she will say she was always true to Jordan and Jeff. She only voted to et rid of Jeff because of the argument and she was misunderstood. then she goes to the jury house where Jeff is waiting for her :-)