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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 9:29 am
With another retread winning HoH and PoV, it is clear AG's plan for this entire season has been to have a mini all-stars summer. So far, that is all it has been and I don't see it changing. Some will claim that it is really the fault of the newbies for not staying together from the beginning. But the deck was clearly stacked against them from Week 1, with the retreads coming in with firm, established and unshakable pairs and the one retread who did not have a partner being given virtual immunity from play and elimination for the first several weeks. Personally, I am tired of Dani, Jeff, Jordan, Rachel, the now-departed Brendon, and the never-meant-to-play Dick. And I was tired of them from Day 1.
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Callasin
Member
06-21-2005
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 10:04 am
What I agree completely and said something similar in the prediction thread. When Brendon was on the block the first time and Rachel was hysterical she made a comment I found very telling. It was something about she didn't think Brendon would be out so soon (before jury) after all the things they had been told or had read in their contract. (I don't remember the exact comment.) At that point my suspicions were confirmed that all but Dick would make the jury or final 2.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 11:03 am
god forbid with an 8-5 advantage to start with that a newbie win a challenge and evict a vet and the 1 time a newb wins they still evict a newbie!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 12:13 pm
rachel was hysterical because Production had guaranteed them jury house together. They get Stipend when in Jury house and when Brendan went out before, that means LESS MONEY. Plus rachel would be stuck in Jury alone for hte summer. YES buttonboy has tried to cut off any dialogue about production but we've seen plenty to make it very clear, this season is ALL about the Vets and the INFO the vets get in DR. Oregon, dont forget that the IDEA came from Diary room and Lawon was talked into it in Diary room. they are manipulated with Leading Questions and suggestions of what 'could' happen
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 12:35 pm
"rachel was hysterical because Production had guaranteed them jury house together." I don't understand how anyone can state definitively that production actually "promised" anything to anyone. Just because someone in the house claims that production "promised" him or her something doesn't mean it actually happened.. Over and over, we see HGs lie to each other and to themselves in that house. The denial in that house is palpable....and Rachel and Brendon lead the pack in turning denial into an art form. Just think of all the times we hear one HG say something to another....and then, when they tell another HG what was said, the story changes according to the point of view and personality of the HG relating that story. Watching the live feeds can reveal a lot about the constantly lying and embellishing HGs, but in no way can listening to what HG claims a production person told them give us an accurate window into what BB production is actually saying to them off camera. All we get is the HG's interpretation of what was said in the DR. We can speculate and we can try to deduce, but without any kind of evidence other than what the HGs claim, that's all we can do. No one knows if production "guaranteed" anything at all to B&R.....we just know that's what Rachel claimed....and we see her lie and embellish and twist other people's words every day. ETA - to get back ON topic, I'd just say that yes, it's a retread summer.....they brought back retreads that the noobs were falling all over like they were rock stars...and the retreads have been running the game since day. Isn't Kalia the only noob that has ever won HOH? The retreads have experience, they understand how the house can magnify feelings and cause paranoia and they try to account for all of that in their decisions. Meanwhile the noobs have just been trying to "get in with" a vet with experience. Yes, definitely a retread summer because the noobs did the stupid thing and deferred to them from day one.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 12:55 pm
The houseguests are always misinforming each other about stuff. Way back in the All Stars season (and a number of seasons after) the houseguests talked about how their season would be the last season of BB. Wrong! If CBS wanted to get certain returning houseguests they'd just pay them. CBS doesn't have to sequester anyone if they want to save money. They never did for the first three seasons. I'm sure that the DR stirs things up, asks leading questions and pushes people in certain directions. But the houseguests make the final decision. As for it being a retread summer. Yes the retreads had a huge advantage both in numbers, alliances and experience and are strong competitors. LOL - Probably the weakest retread player was one who won $500k. No surprise that they are doing well against a group of new players who never got off the ground.
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 1:00 pm
I think it's far too soon to claim which side will fair better. The four Newbies left have solidly joined alliences with each other and entertwined with the Vets. They are not in a really bad spot unless Porche leaves. If Dani leaves then it will be fairly clear sailing if they can get Rachel out, and then it's a matter of J/J. Their odds are not horrible.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 1:12 pm
i posted based on the solid facts i hear them say... not guessing that they all are liars, even to themselves in private (BR R)- the hysteria of Rachel kinda proves the point. She was fine the day she found out from DR that someone (possibly BR) was coming back as for the Last SEASON rumors, they would Speculate that it would be the last season cause it was so boring in the house...and other BBs worldwide were cancelling.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 1:25 pm
In this sort of thing, no one can state anything definitively. The fact it can't be stated with certainty does not mean (or even indicate) that it is wrong.
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Hiyall
Member
07-06-2005
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 2:13 pm
Too bad anyone of those newbies didn't win an hoh, with the exception of Kalia. Hmmm..maybe they should be blamed for this retread season?
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 2:24 pm
"the hysteria of Rachel kinda proves the point." The hysteria of Rachel only proves something that we've all known since last summer....that Rachel is a hysterical drama queen. It certainly does not "prove" that production "guaranteed" anything at all, much less that B&R would be in the Jury house together.
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Kerry827
Member
07-31-2007
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 4:52 pm
I actually thought from the beginning of this season that the vets were probably guaranteed jury when they signed their contract. I figured it was a way to get them back for the summer.
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Hurricane883
Member
06-28-2011
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 5:15 pm
with all the worship it's almost been worse then the "Friendship" season.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 5:42 pm
That was my thought as well, Kerry. I think Rachel basically originally confirmed it for us -- and Brendon's return made it clear.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 6:58 pm
Rachel was hysterical because she thought that Brendon was going home. Brendon cheated on her(via the internet) twice since last season. She was terrified that he would cheat for real this time. Lawon was not tricked by the DR to go on the block it was his idea. He proved on a daily basis that he was one of the duller tools in the shed. He made Jordan look like a mensa member.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 7:09 pm
I have heard Rachel say she assumed that they would both make jury because they are strong competitors. And after that 1st comp she was sure they would make it. Nobody could promise her that she would make jury. That is a promise that is not in their control.
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 7:18 pm
To me it's not 'NOW', to me it was clear the first week of this BB season. You call it Retread Summer, I called it and still do "Deja vu". Anyway, things could become 'NEW" pretty quickly, let's say Daniele goes on Thursday and Jeff follows with the double eviction, we will have in JH Brendon, Daniele and Jeff and most newbies in the house ready to gobble up Rachel and Jordan. Now, how's that for a change.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 8:14 pm
From your keyboard to God's ear, Spunky! 
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Scubalass
Member
07-01-2004
| Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 8:55 pm
I so agree with you Bon, this is a reality show, production offered the same "pay" to everyone on the show, nothing extra was offered to the vets. The vets all had to make a decision as to the goals they wanted to get to and jury house offered them a salary of $750 a week for a hopeful 3 months. If Dick had not left so early, production would not have put people into sequester and bring someone back! They never planned for a cast member leaving so early, they never had a secret scheme to bring back Brendon. It is what it is!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Monday, August 22, 2011 - 1:49 am
Yes Rachel's overthetop behaviour is an indicator that it was completely unexpected. AND her resulting calmness the day after Br was gone Proves that point. Otherwise it would have continued thru the entire week. Hysteria caused by suspicion Br Might cheat again lasted One day?? i see your point, now see mine. I am NOT asking questions, its rhetoric.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, August 22, 2011 - 2:43 pm
Rachel's behavior, IMHO, indicates only that Rachel overreacts, like she has been overreacting since day one in BB 12. It doesn't make any logical sense that Rachel's volatile, high maintenance personality can be an accurate indicator that the game is rigged. Just an observation, not a question.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, August 22, 2011 - 3:05 pm
Come to think of it, I heard someone say that Rachel was much more calm after Brendon was evicted the 2nd time because she knew that they would be reunited in the Jury House. The first time Brendon was evicted, Rachel thought she wouldn't get to see him again until the end of the season because he would've been out of the game an not even on the jury. I think this is a "retread summer" only because there were retreads in the house.....not because it was rigged. The vets are doing so well because the noobs defer to them because of their minor celebrity status as past BB players, not because production defers to them.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Monday, August 22, 2011 - 4:21 pm
ITA Sanfranjoshfan
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