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Heh
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07-27-2007

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Heh a private message Print Post    
At this point - being completely objective and disregarding who I think I might like or dislike as a person "in real life," I would say Rachael deserves to win. She is a competitor, she's escaped being evicted so far and has regrouped when things seemed hopeless, and she's got game. I find her behavior to be annoying a lot of the time, but the prize money isn't for the least annoying.

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne4u - Regarding Rachel's behavior, your assessment is the opposite of truth. Rachel is actually very insecure, thus the reason she comes off the way she does. I posted about it in a couple places, but I hate to keep doing it. I like Rachel and feel sorry for her simply because I know how she got that way.

In the real world, I probably wouldn't wanna be around her, hard to say. I know someone with the same problem and I can't stand her, but she also has a criminal history and does drugs. She was someone my GF befriended. Of course my GF finally got the message I was telling her when they took a road trip and the girl brought meth with her, only to get pulled over and nearly caught. GF is as straight-laced as can be, so they're no longer friends. She just didn't wanna believe that I was right about her "friend".

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I don't see how a little whacko joke (that's in bad taste, granted) can be blamed for crazies that go online and say Shelly's young daughter should be "killed and raped but not necessarily in the order".

No, it's not blaming the victim. It's saying that she has become a target of crazy people. And I believe if she knew that her family was being targetted, she would be more careful about what she says, and even choose to leave.

So, yes, I would like her off tv and the internet, for her sake and for the sake of her family.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
The mob mentality that J/J are some kind of untouchable players is what's crazy.

Pffft. It's not who she targetted, it's how she did it. Lots of folks have targetted Jeff and Jordan and none of the rest of them are getting threats.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
I have the same list as Keldogg:

Rachel
Kalia
Jordan
Porsche
Adam
Shelly

I have Porche ranked lower partly because of the keys. I really don't like how they affected the game and if I was a HG would count it against her. I also dislike her personally (based on her in-house persona, at least) but would try to not hold that against her.

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
Agree Karuuna. Nobody, that I have seen, has ever posted that Jeff and Jordan are precious little dolls and should not be gone against.

Own it Shelly, play your game. Lie, cheat, steal all you want but don't act the victim when you get yourself busted.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
I think Shelly is doing herself damage when she talks about cutting off the paw of a stuffed dog and putting ketchup on it. Maybe that's just me, but it seems a little whacko talk brings out the whackos.

Everyone keeps going on and on about Rachels puppy. While I agree it should not have been taken...(personally I think all personal items should be hands off)....Am I the only one that remembers last year, Rachel in the have not room ripping the mouth off Kathys sock puppet, because she was mad at Kathy?

Now that said, I really think Rachel should win. If for nothing else, having to take over the care and feeding of Jordan. Rachel has enough self made and otherwise obstacles in her way, she didn't need production throwing Jordan in the mix.

Teacuppy
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06-10-2011

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teacuppy a private message Print Post    
Well all the love is showing they should just kiss and hug to the end ut is a love fest in there. But kalia is not singing so I am happy happy

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"No, it's not blaming the victim."

I agree to disagree.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 7:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I agree to disagree too. lol

Spunky
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10-07-2001

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I would keep Shelly to see what other crazy move she'd make... I mean this lady has been the "shaker and mover" of BB and sometime really out of the blue... (like kickstarting the "Save Rachel" campaign when Lawon was evicted).
Then lo and behold she was flat out against Rachel and was ready to backstab JJ by kickstarting the "save Daniele" campaign. Finally, she started to be too obvious and was caught with her pants down.

But it would be fun to keep her just to see what else she would do..

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
It would be Spunky, definitely she's been a mover and shaker.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
"No, it's not blaming the victim."


I think I'm probably the expert on what *I* intend, especially since I have worked with 'victims' much of my career. :-)

It is not blaming the victim to tell them to get out of the house of an abuser.

It is not blaming the victim to say I wish Shelly were not in that house, making herself more of a target without even knowing what's going on.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
I agree with a post above that referred to whomever makes it to F2 deserves it. Something happened right in their game that got them there. But there's no way to determine how the jury will vote. In past years, juries have voted out of spite (to keep the best gamer from winning), they've voted out of anger (to punish someone for bringing a hated hg), and sometimes they actually vote for best game play.

If I had to choose today, ...

#1 Kalia - She has the best chance of winning if she makes it to F2 at this point. Her social game has been excellent (although she talks a mile a minute)! She started playing the game early, even while laying low and establishing mixed alliances to include vets AND newbies. Her slow start with doing well in competitions gave everyone pause about her worth until she turned up the heat and discounted all doubts. Although her first HOH was sorely mismanaged, her second one more than made up for it. As of now, all the remaining hg's have mentioned that she would win in F2. According to Rachel, Kalia has had the two most difficult HOH's of the season.

#2 Rachel - I agree she has played a hard game. By winning competitions so early, she placed a large target on her and Brendon. She's been on the block and was then saved in one way or another, especially recently when she saved herself AND Jordan. Personally, I like her better when she's not with Brendan (when she loses herself and they get into a parent-child relationship)! When she's on her game she's great at it, but then the total opposite is true when she's not. She's loyal to a fault, which sometimes compromises her social game with others not in her alliance.

#3 Porsche - She seemingly has just started playing the game at the halfway point. Even when she had the key, I don't really recall her using her time wisely to set up a game for herself. I'm not positive but I believe she said she didn't have a strategy before the game began. Maybe she just waited it out until most of the biggest targets were gone. But once she started playing, she's been going strong ever since. She now has a firm grasp of the game and is playing harder each week. With Jeff and Brendon, she never allowed herself to be bullied or intimidated and gently put them in their places on more than one occasion. If she keeps up this pace, she'll be a serious contender.

#4 Shelly - I don't think she'll make it to final 2, since at best she'll be voted out on Thursday. She's played a super-floater game and seems to have been resolved that she would not do well in competitions. In that regard, I think she tried to make up for it by playing a strong social game. It worked up until recently (even though she was doubted early on), but she may have overplayed it. I respect that she dropped Jeff when she did after being pushed aside like a red-headed step child. For her game of "staying-on-everyone's-good-side-while-driving-the-bust-over-others" she underestimated that people would eventually compare notes.

#5 Adam - I soooo didn't care for him at the beginning of the season because he was not being genuine but tried to emulate Dick. But, he sure did grow on me as his genuine self. As much as I like him now, I don't think he has even a remote chance of winning at final 2. He's been in a major floater position (I think unintentionally) nearly the whole game. This season is nearly over, so he would have to win everything from this point forward to even be considered. Even then, I'm guessing most jurors won't appreciate that he only started playing at the 11th hour! He could have been formidable with all of his BB knowledge. But with his choking at competitions AND his obsession with Jeff AND overanalyzing everything, I fear he will regret that he was his own worst enemy.

#6 Jordan - I love Jordan! She's like a walking, talking cotton candy treat (most of the time)! I'm southern, too, so I'm partial to her southern hospitality. A gamer she is not - by a long shot. This season has played out exactly like her last season with her never really having to do anything to get herself further. The only difference is that she seems to have a big attitude at times and when she's with Jeff they acted entitled and granted permission for the peasants to submit themselves. Like Rachel, she is best by herself, and often has a great grasp of the game. With Jeff, she loses who she is and allows herself to be a doormat. I can't see her pulling this out a second time, especially after not playing a better game than last time. If the jury does, they will risk looking bitter against someone who really had to play hard.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    

R - self inflated ego and poor sport. I get tired of the Higher then a Kite attitude when winning and a Cry me a River attitude when losing. Very Poor Sportsmanship should not be rewarded with a win.


Sunshyne4u - Regarding Rachel's behavior, your assessment is the opposite of truth.


Rn2b - i agree completely with your post except that part which you say i'm lying --opposite of truth??

i think that maybe you arent understanding my words. Rachel has been crying and crushed a few times because she had a selfinflated ego regarding her History of winning almost every comp she was in BB12. she truly expected to win

I personally believe that Rachel shows many of the emotional signs of someone who is in an abusive relationship.... however, as per the game, I didnt like the gloating and later the bawling pouting we saw on the last HOH comp.

Hope I've clarified what i was REALLY trying to say. I agree she is deeply insecure about so much as far as real life kind of stuff.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
wow well worded post Chief, good insight.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
Thanks Sun! Sorry about it being so long! I didn't realize it until I posted.

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 9:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne4u - No, you misunderstood. I never said you were a liar, lol. Just that Rachel doesn't have a big ego, just that she is so insecure and wants to project an image of perfection, that faults are too much for her psyche. Goes with what I sent in your PM.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Karuuna, you originally said this:

"LOL, Shenanagon! Who would I like to win? I'd actually be happy with anyone but Shelly. Only because she is doing herself and her family damage by staying."

Saying Shelly's presence in the bb house is causing that kind of threatening behavior outside the bb house is like saying an actor's presence on TV is causing that actor's stalker to threaten him and his family.

I disagree with you. I don't think those whackos will suddenly back off when she leaves the house.....because they are WHACKO STALKERS.

"It is not blaming the victim to tell them to get out of the house of an abuser. "

No it isn't, but Shelly is not in a house with an abuser. Her stalkers are outside the house that is currently protecting her.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
your assessment is the opposite of truth

I never said you were a liar

I think we'd all like to know what is the oppositive of Truth in your mind. What exactly is meant? maybe that was just misworded

but it says clearly opposite of truth.

i think we all have differing opinions of Rachel and she is multifaceted.
thx in advance

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
What I meant was that she didn't have a big ego. I think you are feeling attacked just because I worded my explanation a certain way. We're arguing semantics now but I'm sure you knew what I meant. IOW, the assessment of her was different IMO, thus opposite. Truth wasn't the best word perhaps.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
My choice?

Winner -- Shelly
(The only one besides Rachel who has played with cnsistent aggressiveness all season)

Then, in order...
Porsche
Kalia
Rachel
Jordan
Adam --out this week

(Had it not been for Rachel's winning the veto and Jordan floating along with her, I would have preferred Jordan this week and Rachel next week. I want the retreads out. AG obviously disagrees with me).

Jag2000
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07-01-2009

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jag2000 a private message Print Post    
I think Adam does not deserve to win nada, nil, zero, nothing. What has he done except sleep, eat, exercise, and sit on his a$$? Also don't think a Beback should win, they had their chance. Guess who that leaves..Shelly, Kalia, and Porsche? Take your pick. Shelly has made the game lively and Adam has made it ho-hum....he annoys me to no end!

Rn2b
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08-12-2011

Monday, August 29, 2011 - 11:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rn2b a private message Print Post    
I think poor Adam is just out of his element. Watching the show and being on it are two entirely different things. He probably thought it was easy after seeing so many seasons, then to go on and be in the dark about who is lying and how to "play" different people, especially with production influence. He had no idea what he was getting into.

Anyone else think ED had a hand in getting Adam in by the way? When he was on the block, he said he'd never be there if not for Dick, then kinda corrected by saying because they were both metal fans. Seemed fishy to me.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 5:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
Rn2b, I'm just trying to think back to when they first moved into the house and things Adam has said this season. While I'm not positive, I think Adam mentioned the personality types that BB always has in the house, as if there was a "formula" they use when selecting HG's for each season. Since he likes heavy metal, he thought he would have a good chance since Evil Dick's persona was like that, too. He even mentioned auditioning to be like Evil Dick in order to increase his chances of getting selected and believes it worked. The only problem is that although he does like heavy metal, his real personality is completely opposite of Evil Dick. Adam often talked about wanting to go into the BB house and act that way (lie, yell, cheat, be rude, etc.), but says he couldn't pull it off because it's just not him.