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Pippin04
Member
10-26-2007
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 6:32 am
Sure they all deserve to win. They are still in the game. If I had to pick a winner it would be Rachel. Love her or hate her. She plays with the best of her ability and plays for the win. I have issues when people throw the competitions.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 7:22 am
The only people that DON'T deserve to win are Jordan and Adam. They only reason they are still is that Jordan had a team in front of her and Adam sucks so bad everyone wants to drag him to the end. Right now I would LOVE a Rachel/Porsche final 2. Shelly & Kalia have a strong case to win also, but personally for me I like the other 2 better.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 7:25 am
Anyone else think ED had a hand in getting Adam in by the way? Dick never knew him and thinks he is a tool. Crazy James and Adam do have mutual friends, but I don't think they have ever actually met. Have you seen Dick's show on RTVZONE.com? You should. The last one sucked, but the rest are good.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 9:45 am
Saying Shelly's presence in the bb house is causing that kind of threatening behavior outside the bb house is like saying an actor's presence on TV is causing that actor's stalker to threaten him and his family. SanFran, that may be how you heard it, but that is NOT what I said. What I said is that her presence is causing *damage* to her family. I did not blame her. I have clearly stated that I am not *blaming* her, but am just wishing her to be in a place where she and her family can no longer be harmed. That is hardly blaming the victim. After 30 years of working with D.A.R.E, DAPP, women's shelters and abused children, I'm pretty sure I understand what I mean.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 10:19 am
I think whoever wins deserves to win.
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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 10:57 am
If Shelly pulls off staying in the house this week I think she deserves to win. The thing I would like most about Shelly staying is Adam leaving.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 11:56 am
Karuuna, I congratulate you on your extensive resume. I understood what you said and I disagree with it.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 12:16 pm
You can disagree all you want, as long you truly understand that my position is not about blaming the victim. It is about, and has always been about, keeping victims safe. Shelly has no idea what her family is going through, and I know I'm guessing, but I think if she knew, she'd be out of there as fast as she could go. She would want to be with, and protect her family, and not continue in an endeavor that is bringing lunatics to threaten them.
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Flossiebebe
Member
09-01-2005
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 12:47 pm
I like chef's list. Would probably put Kalia a bit lower down my list. I go agreee Adam and Jordan have done so little they do not deserve to win. I don't feel they even deserve 2nd place $$. I would love to see Rachel and anyone else final 2.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 2:57 pm
i think its too late. Once someone is in the public eye, its done. DOR/ leaving now wouldnt accomplish anything.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 3:06 pm
It is so close to the end.. I would assume Shelly's husband is capable of getting them protection and meanwhile Shelly still has a chance a money and if she left as a DOR she'd lose all the stipend money. And those being hateful would still be.. hateful. I don't think she could unring that bell, so leaving would just feed their demands. But that's just my opinion. I wish they'd have people applying for these shows who are parents, get some counseling ahead of time, to help them decide if it is worth it.. speak to past HG who are parents, perhaps. And then, tongue in cheek, but hopefully future drug dealers will be warned against excessive talking about such activities on feeds and on Showtime. 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 3:16 pm
As for who is deserving.. of course I'm not on the jury and I doubt I'd use the same criteria.. so far two jurors are parts of pairs and feel that they were entitled to win, thus will feel that their partner should top the list. Dani has said she would vote on game play. She's never actually BEEN on the jury before, so we will see. I think even being buds with Kalia and Porsche, Dani would dock Kalia on her terrible choices during her first HOH and Porsche on the horrible Pandora's box decision. Porsche really impressed me on that SNAKE competition! She had to win and win and win and she did it with a really great performance. And you know for sure several of them were NOT throwing that comp. But there are several key competitions to go, so I don't know yet who will be most deserving. If Rachel does Jordan's bidding and keeps Adam, it could really backfire for her. But Shelly also hates Rachel as well. If Kalia should win HOH again that would bring her back up a bit and she DID, with help from Porsche and Adam, ger Jeff out, something the other vets never managed/dared.. If Porsche goes on a winning streak then she'd be up there. Rachel and Jordan get no credit from me for their boo hooing after Jeff left and their bitterness and they don't get credit for Porsche taking Pandora's box. That was all on Porsche, all by herself up in HOH. And they now regret keeping so many newbies instead of Dani or at least Rachel does. They have a bit of time to make moves. Adam and Shelly. Well, one will be out in two days. The other, unless they win HOH, won't really be so deserving. If one of them stays, wins and then keeps J/R together in the house, that would be a blown opportunity too.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 3:57 pm
i agree. dani was Furious at K when she found out K wanted to save Rachel. K was so petulant about it too. I dont think Dani would neccessarily vote for K at end, shelley would get the vote, porsche or Possibly Rachel. Not adam, not jordan
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 4:01 pm
Once someone is in the public eye, its done. that's not really what we see tho, in real life. Once you are out of the public eye, people quickly move on to some other issue to be outraged about. Most of them anyway. But the nutcases out there will take continued exposure personally, and then are more inclined to act out. My personal wish is that they would allow people to make their own choices as grownups. When your family is being threatened, you deserve to be told, and to make your own decision about how to proceed. That should cross the boundaries of the contract.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 4:18 pm
As of right now, if they voted on gameplay moves- Kaila, Porsche, Rachel, Jordan, (Adam or Shelly). If one of the remaining players goes on a comp streak, that could change things up a lot- especially if they were in danger of leaving and won the comps they needed to. Rachel winning the last POV helps her cause- and winning HOH this week would help her cause even more. It wouldn't hurt Jordan either. One of them definitely is in F4 though- and from there it's only a couple of comp wins to F2. If one of them makes it to F2, they probably have 3 jury votes in the bag- but can they get the 4th? If they both make it to F2, it'll be interesting to see what happens. The problem w/ Adam (assuming he stays) is that his best move this week is NO move- R/J and K/P will go after each other. That hurts his cause if he waits until F4 to do anything. But winning HOH this week means he makes enemies by picking a side, so that would hurt his cause. He's in a bit of a Catch-22 right now. If he makes it to F2, his best chance is if it's a bitter jury more voting AGAINST the other person than FOR him..in this case, going against Kaila or Porsche in F2 is probably his best bet. Kalia and Porsche are in a bit of trouble- only one of them can play for HOH this week, and if Kalia loses that one of them is probably gone for sure (even with a POV taking one of them off, the best they could do is a tie vote). If both of them get to F2, the decision is interesting- it would depend probably on performance. If one of them makes it to F2 against Rachel or Jordan, they're probably 3 votes down to start with- and will need a good final plea to win most likely. Shelly has two chances: Slim and none, and Slim just left town. Even if she somehow gets out of this week, she's going to have to go on a major comp run to survive- and has no chance in a F2 vote. If you're looking for a close vote in F2? Rachel/Jordan, Kaila/Porsche, Adam/Kaila, or Adam/Porsche are the best chances for it.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 4:41 pm
Yep, Wilson, I pretty much agree across the board as of now.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 5:50 pm
Yeah sea- and here's another point. If Adam does win HOH, his best move probably is to nominate one from each side. That way, the non-nominees will be the only ones to seriously try for veto, and it would be simple- the side that doesn't win POV will be up (the non-nominee would veto her side's nominee, and there's only one option left) and one of the losing side goes. He doesn't want to end up with one on each side for the actual vote though- then it's 1-1 and he has to break a tie.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 6:21 pm
ITA Wilsonatmd!!!!
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Sheilaree
Member
07-19-2002
| Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 6:25 pm
I don't think Rachel deserves to win, I would like to see one of the under dogs, to win like Kallia to not Jordan or Porsche, or Shelly I don't trust them Maybe Adam the last one.
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