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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:23 am
Lillian, that is what I am saying. Put up both Jordan and Rachel. Only one can win veto and take themselves off. Put up a pawn, and vote out your target. Playing around by not putting up Rachel and Jordan at the same time is playing with fire. If they lose an alliance member, it's their fault.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:26 am
PK had fewer opportunities to compete so their win percentage is higher. Anyway, the point is that the veterans have been claiming that everyone else is floating. Not true.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:26 am
Muffin, I don't understand why Porsche wouldn't just put up Jordon & Rachel either. It would be stupid to do otherwise.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:26 am
Muffin yes I do agree that often they over think and try and get fancy about BDing people, and act like they can control who wins veto. It works sometimes, but often backfires. Like I said, just nominate Rachel and Jordan and be done with it. Adam can go up if one of them wins, and they can still vote out who they want. Only issue would be if Adam wins, and that's unlikely at this point - plus Porsche *might* be able to persuade him to cut the apron strings and play for himself by joining their side to get out the remainder of Rachel or Jordan.
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Bevdan
Member
05-09-2011
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:27 am
Well as much as I am sad Jeff left because it gave the numbers still - I am glad he is gone because did you see when they got back from commercial him on Shelly in Kitchen I thought that was awful no to Shelly but to Rachael -him going on about you would keep a person in the game that I molded into the person you see sitting here tonight - Rachael controled herself this week the only thing Jeff said to her was dont talk to Dani and that is because (if you really want to be real about it )he was afraid they would end up working together JJ need to own up to the fact that they caused this along with Dani week 2 - ie= Rachael told them every chance she could do not trust Shelly and they chose to trust Shelly over Rachael -oh well it had a cost to it. DUMB MOVE JJ - But they thought everyone loved them so much - it is very hard to see how devastated Jordan is over Shelly. I hope Shelly's family is very proud of her and I hope at finale they show her taking Rachael Dog and the conversation about cutting it up. Because while cbs is having no problem showing Racheal being mean in dr to Dani they need to show how nasty Shelly is also instead of her being Mom
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Sbku
Member
07-07-2010
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:27 am
Just a thought, wasn't Dani the brains of this group? I know she left instructions but can this group follow her stategy? It will be interesting to see how they do, game wise, without Dani. We may see some not too bright moves.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:30 am
IMO the only true floater is Jordan. She's simply tagging along for the summer with her boyfriend. We'll see if that changes now, but I expect her "strategy" this week will be "I have to win this veto." She has no relationship with Porsche that I know of, was blind to Kalia's attempts at outreach in the past, took Shelly for granted and now can't see past how "mad" she is at her, and left Adam for Jeff to handle. All she's got is Rachel, and the two of them will need a lot of luck to survive as a team much longer.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:34 am
I think the claim was that everyone left was floating up until yesterday, which is pretty much true. I remember this board saying "Porsche who" for several weeks. I know she had a golden key & was safe but she could have used that time to build relationships or acted interested in the game. I do agree that Kalia has been playing the game for several weeks even if she played poorly during her first HOH.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:38 am
After posting my last post, I realized that I might want Kalia to win rather than Adam. I don't know if she could get the jury votes but she has been playing the game AND winning comps.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:38 am
I agree with you Lillian. Jordan is the only true floater left. She's played the cute, naive southern belle to fame long enough. Time for her to get down and dirty with the rest of them if she expects to win. It should be obvious to her now that she is going to have to actually get in the game to win this season. It is not going to be handed to her like it was the last time.
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Bubbles_larue
Member
07-07-2011
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:39 am
IMO Adam has thrown every comp that he could have won. He does NOT want to get his hands dirty and knew he was not a target. This is his gameplay, but one day he will be shocked when he will be put up and voted out with this strategy.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:41 am
Lillian good observations. I think a lot of people hoped/thought Jordan was playing a good social game but as it turns out not do much
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:42 am
Ark, in retrospect Porsche did actually make a smart decision or two - hooking up with the vets early turned out to be a good strategy because the newbies were so afraid to actually play for starters. That likely saved her from being voted out week one, and got her the golden key in the process. Then she made her move to Dani's side at the right time, and while she didn't make friends with everyone, she didn't make enemies either. Being invisible also allows you to see what's going on more clearly than if you are holed up with people all the time. And now she's winning at the precise time she needed to. Her approach to the first half of the game is starting to look like a smart strategy.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:44 am
I think I am ok with Kalia winning this game. She has played between eating and sleeping. lol I also wonder what she would have been like if she had not gotten mixed up with Porscha, who is truly a mean girl. IMO
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Bubbles_larue
Member
07-07-2011
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:47 am
Jordan and social is tough to swallow in one sentence this yr. She has said for the most part, she does not like these people. With the exception of Shelly until now of course. Jordan should not win if it has anything to do with gameplay this yr. Her heart and mind has NOT been into the game. All she wanted was a summer spent with Jeff. If she does not get her head into it, she will see him soon in the jury house to continue their summer vacation.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:47 am
OK, I guess I'm going to have to let go of seeing Porsche tampering with food stuff & stealing & just look at how she got to where she is but I still don't like her.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:47 am
Marksman this season and two seasons I ago, I often thought the observation that Jordan played a good social game was misplaced. Not making enemies was part of it, but that's not what won her the game - it was everyone's distaste for Natalie that did it in the end. I think she would have lost against Kevin. This time, while she hasn't made enemies, she hasn't built any relationships outside of Rachel either. Just about everyone has reached out to her at some point (Kalia, Dani, Shelly, Adam, I think even Cassi), but she's just glued herself to Jeff and not bothered to cultivate those relationships. Worse, she took Shelly's adoration and Kalia's desperation for approval totally for granted, and lost them both (Kalia maybe if she thinks it's in her best interests, but that would be Kalia's decision, nothing Jordan does). IMO a good social game is Janelle style, and even Shelly - getting to know everyone, building relationships, be able to influence decisions, minimizing enemies, working on jury votes, etc. Jordan is doing absolutely none of that, and didn't last time either.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:49 am
Yes Ark that side of Porsche is deplorable - if it gets out, it could be a Natalie effect. Natalie might very well have won her season had the jury not compared notes on her lies and nastiness. If Kalia goes out bitter, she could be doomed.
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Bubbles_larue
Member
07-07-2011
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:53 am
I hope for a Kalia win at this point. Porsche will do a terrible mistake if she does not put up Jordan and Rachel since it will be the only way to guarentee one goes to jury. When do the noms take place?
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Dawn
Member
07-24-2009
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:57 am
noms are later today
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Teenangel
Member
02-16-2008
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 9:59 am
I never thought Jordan was doing much of anything except observing and filling Jeff in with her ideas of what was really going on. I wish Jordan had left instead of Jeff since he was the one really playing the game. With that said, I know everyone has their own strategy but those who choose to be floaters as strategy have never gotten respect from the viewers as good game play and never will. It's the easy way through the game. OF those left, I would hope the final three are Rachel, Kalia, and Shelly. Although if she doesn't fight for it, Rachel would never make it to final two.
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Missyb
Member
07-28-2004
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 10:00 am
In my definition of a floater, Jordan was most definitely not a floater. She did not follow the power from side to side. She had only one side ( hers and Jeff's) and she stuck to it. She could barely drag herself to someone else's HOH room. Now if you said she hardly did anything but hide behind her teammates and let them do all the heavy lifting. I may agree with that. But, she did try every time she went out there.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 10:04 am
I don't think there's anything wrong with switching sides and following the power. In fact, I think it's smart strategy, especially if you get away with it. I've never understood the value that players and viewers put on loyalty in this game. It's not real life, it's a game.
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Dawn
Member
07-24-2009
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 10:06 am
wake up call and shelly isn't even up yet.
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Teenangel
Member
02-16-2008
| Friday, August 26, 2011 - 10:07 am
Also, if they could still keep Adam with them, J and R would be best off if Adam could win the veto, especially if the other side wants him to win, and then he takes Rachel down and Kalia goes up. Then Rachel and Adam could vote Kalia out. NOT my wishes, just better for them. lol At this point, I had to come out of lurking but always here to enjoy the banter of all my BB friends.
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