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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 3:38 pm
aaawww Shen... your doggy has his very own kitten? 
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Fivel
Member
07-26-2005
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 4:01 pm
can someone tell me what the flashback time is for Kalia tirade?
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Beocca
Member
07-17-2005
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 4:16 pm
I call my daughter sista all the time and we are whiter than white. Kalia is too hypersensitive about her color, and the only person I see is racist is her. Jeff was absolutely correct when he said " you are prejudiced for thinking being called ' sista' is prejudice".and how is being black in the bb house any different than being white? I have been watching threads and I have not seen any prejudiced against her. I see her is playing the racist card eventually.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 4:22 pm
Beocca, that is what I was trying to say up there, that it was silly for Kalia to think calling someone sister or sista is racist. There are people in my family that call each other brother or sister all the time and we are white too.
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Smokey
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 4:31 pm
Someone mentioned tattoos. I have had this discussion with some friends of mine. I've never been a fan of tattoos, and I have found over the years the people who get them (and I'm not talking about the single small tattoo somewhere, but those with two or more) are personalities that usually engage in things I'm not into. ...etc. etc. Wow, now see for me, this is very prejudiced thinking. I have no tattoos myself, but have loved ones who do. And, I know some friends who have tattoos. I don't smoke weed, I don't deal drugs, I don't sleep around, I don't get drunk, and neither do the loved ones in my life who have tattoos. Tattoos are an artistic expression these days. 2 people I am thinking of are artists and love to get tattoos. Anyway, that one pushed my buttons! LOL See, we can all have our own kind of prejudiced thinking. I agree about all the stuff coming to the surface with Obama being our President. It's really pushed people into their respective corners, whether they want to admit it or not. I agree with what Kep said.
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Beocca
Member
07-17-2005
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 4:37 pm
I am with you lazylou. (hopeing not to offend anybody) but I get offended when people use the race card as a crutch. I work my but off to make a life better for my family, and when things don't go my way. I can't say " it's because I'm white" I am giving no breaks in life. Kalia is prolly better off in life than I am. Kalia needs to look around to the issues. When the US goes under because Obama or whoever can't agree, everybody is going to lose!
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Marameko
Member
07-14-2002
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 5:00 pm
It pains me today that I agree with Kalia to a point. While I have not read " up thread" very far, I wu I'll say that had Jeff called me sister and had I not appreciated it I would have asked him not to do it again without any future discussion . A family friend refers to me as " sister" an I call him Brother Bob . This is a person who is kind to my family and whose home we visit on holidays . In addition we know his family members and he know ours.. A couple of years ago a white woman at work said " hi girlfriend " to me while I know she does not say that to my boss who is an MD and of Indian background. I let it slide even though it surprised me; it wasn't important enough to get upset over . Before President Obama was elected my Boss asked me how the " brother " was doing . well lo and behold she meant Barack Obama !!! Understand that while she is Indian she considers herself African since that is where she was raised.
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Lookieloo
Member
08-12-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 5:09 pm
Between my family and my husbands family....we ARE the United Nations. I'm Irish American, & Hubby is Dutch from the Netherlands. We have African American, African, Venezuelan, Italian, Polish, Indonesian....just to name a few. With that being stated, you can rest assured there isn't much room for racism in my family. I love all of my family members and would never even think something that they would find hurtful or offensive. Now here's the point. We were having a BBQ at my sister's house. There was an 8 year old boy there who is the grandson of my brother in law. He came to me and said..." Aunt Theresa, listen to my joke about black people". I replied, "no, thanks. I don't want to hear that joke" He repeatedly tried to get me to agree to hear the joke. Finally, i said to him...."would you tell that joke to Marcus or Jasmine?" "would it hurt them to hear that joke?" He said No, he would not tell it to them. I said i didn't want to hear a joke that i couldn't tell everyone in my family. I don't want to hear a joke that could make someone cry. I think he understood because he hugged me and said he would never tell that joke again and he would "delete" it from his mind.
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Lookieloo
Member
08-12-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 5:19 pm
I dont' know if i will type this the way it sounds in my head but i'm gonna try anyway. People all want to belong. Feel a connection, if you will. By using some words, maybe they are trying to connect or belong. Noone gets upset by the use of "bling" or "phat". People of all races use these words to be cool or to belong. Maybe the co-workers or even Jeff used "sister" as to connect better with Kalia. The bad part of it is, people sometimes try to connect where they THINK you are. Maybe it would be best if people waited until a relationship is established and comfortable before using terms they think are endearing. So, with that being said, i'm giving Jeff a pass on this one. I don't feel it was said to be racist, i think he wanted to connect with Kalia and just went about it the wrong way for her.
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Southerngirl
Member
07-28-2008
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 5:25 pm
Didn't Jeff also use that word the last time he was on?
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Lajonesin
Member
03-22-2008
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 7:33 pm
Great discussions going on here! THIS is how we move forward. Prejudice is simply pre-judgment of someone based on a stereotype, hate or a generalization based on hate. Saying ALL people with tatoos or that are black or gay or whatever is short-sighted, but not necessarily done with hate. Talking about it and educating people is what counts. Sometimes you have an idea about someone based on your limited experiences and listening to someone else who may have better insight is helpful. But if you immediately call someone out for being racist/prejudiced, you miss the opportunity to reach out to them. They may become defensive and generally don't respond how you wish they would. Having said all of that, if I ever say anything that someone else pegs as racist, I always apologize because their perception is important to them. I then ask them to explain it to me so I never make the mistake again as I strive to be an open person. I never argue that they are wrong in their perception of me but rather ask them to perceive me as someone I want to be seen as. It always works and has enriched me immensely!
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 7:41 pm
This goes to my issue with the whole Jeff and Dumbledore thing. Saying Dumbledore is gay is a loaded question. It is neither pertinent or relevant and is essentially designed to incite or inflame people. I agree with some of the sentiments that we can never move past this stuff if we allow non-offensive items that are not intended with any harm or ill will to be turned around and used to label someone else. Ala the Kalia "Sister" example. People are taking the words other people use, exclaiming you can not label people and then at the very same time labeling those people. It is very disingenuous and underhanded to me. I am pretty sure Jeff has referred to white women in Big Brother as sister as well. if Kalia takes offense to him saying it and wants to them attack Jeff or anyone else with it, that is on her, and the problem and prejudice is with her. I refer to some of my male friends as my brother, some are black some are white. Their color is wholly irrelevant. If someone tried to make a racial issue out of it, I would believe they were purposefully trying to incite prejudice and hate.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 8:13 pm
"Saying Dumbledore is gay is a loaded question. It is neither pertinent or relevant and is essentially designed to incite or inflame people. " I don't see how saying Dumbledore was gay is a "loaded question" unless the person being told that has an irrational fear or hate towards gay people. JK Rowling said that the character that she created was always gay in her mind and I doubt seriously that she was trying "to incite or inflame people". Anyone that is not prejudiced and has no negative feelings towards gay people would not become incited or inflamed at learning Dumbledore was gay anymore than he or she would become incited or inflamed by learning that he was left handed. It is only an issue to people that already have an issue with gay people.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 8:16 pm
Exactly, Sanfran!
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 8:21 pm
Well said, Sanfran. And this isn't Jeff's first tango with homophobia. Or his last.
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Wavewatcher
Member
09-09-2006
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 9:04 pm
When I hear someone say, "Listen, sister..." I think of Bogey & Bacall (as in Humphrey Bogart & Lauren Bacall). He called her that all the time...in the movies and in real life.

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Wavewatcher
Member
09-09-2006
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 9:08 pm
Loved the puppy & kitten. Came at the right time this eve. Sad that pit bulls are labelled and damned. They are known to be gentle, lovely pets when socialized in a proper manner.
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Beocca
Member
07-17-2005
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 9:15 pm
There it is, kalia is playing the race card
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 9:17 pm
Playing it? She's worn a hole clear through it.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 10:13 pm
Preach it brothers and sisters
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 10:32 pm
lots of interesting input, most of which i could dissect with bad feelings caused. again, its about Biases we have been raised with and Conclusions we have drawn. Its not neccessarily based in hate. a few examples randomly taken from prev posts.... The prejudice isnt against individual pitbulls, which can be lovely animals, its about the breed that has been sloppily developed in which a dog can Turn unexpectedly violent. These dogs were Bred for killing each other in a pit. a well socialized dog is less likely to kill your children, but i'm surprised anyone would take a chance. I dont think anyone would let a child play with a gun even if there was only ONE chance in 12 yrs that it might go off. A dog with a bite strength of a Pit is definitely as destructive as a gun. Especially when its the neck that is gone for. i personally give Pitbulls a wide berth while walking. Am i prejudice? no my friend had a Pitbull and i am making my decision based on LACK OF knowledge of how the unknown owner has trained that dog. Am I biased against pitbulls? I'd never own one. I have tons of experience with animals and Instinct is there. Pitbulls WILL attack automatically and without forethought, its Instinct, not that the individual is a bad dog. Just like anyone's pet can Kill a sheep. Dogs chase, dogs get excited when they smell blood. Its nature, its Instinct. about every two years a pack of dogs would come and kill some of our sheep. We would shoot them if we could. Every ONE of those owners would say the same thing... NOT my dog, its a sweetheart, it would NEVER kill. Instinct is powerful and I learned as a child that Big teeth and instinct doesnt mix with Toddlers/ young running kids. No doubt my point isnt clear i am not trying to pull a Brendan. I truly am worried that people may not understand its IN the genetics. CRACKER 5. ( US ) another word for poor White 6. slang ( Brit ) a thing or person of notable qualities or abilities i find it really bizarre that Cracker was taken as a derogitory term. In my family being a cracker means you are special and talented. I had NO IDEA that the word was Prejudiced in the states. The side of the family that uses Cracker is UK Jimmies are not racist either. It seems that the Mere suggestion of racism and the fact that its only the chocolate kind has caused the theory. Sad.
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Gusmonster
Member
06-01-2005
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 10:52 pm
When I was 10 or 11 an african american family moved into our neighborhood. They were the one and only minority family in my neighborhood and school. I made friends with the little girl Shelly and brought her home one day to swim in our pool. We were having a great time til my uncle pulled into the yard and saw us. He screamed at me to "get that f-ing N ( his word )out of our f-ing pool" Then he drained our hugh pool, made us kids scrub every inch with soap and brushes and refilled it. That's prejudice. Shelly and I were both crying hysterically and I walked her home ( and got whipped for it later ) and she told her parents what had happened. Her fathers response was " Well, we told you what would happen if you tried to be friends with that white trash". That's prejudice too. BTW - the last phone convo I had with my dying uncle he told me he wanted to die before we got an N ( his word )for president. Some people never change.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 1:45 am
that story makes me very sad 
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Christy358
Member
07-10-2007
| Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 2:08 am
At work today we stopped a man for shoplifting. He happens to be african american. (trying to keep correct here) One of the managers at our store recognized him as a shoplifter at a store she worked at years ago. The reason she remembers him is because at the time of his arrest back then he called another manager who happens to be african american a racist and she took offence. The manager telling the story was amazed that he would pick the african american as the racist. I thought about this........ the only really racist thing in the whole story was assuming that only the white person could be racist...because it was a judgement based on the color of skin.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 3:40 am
Tonight on the live feeds, there seems/is to be a plan to have a BB/faux wedding in the planning for B/R. Part of the plan, (and hey I missed lots), was that Lowan was to be the 'preacher'. I heard coaxing from some of the girls, (Shelly and Porsche) for him be bolturist, flamboyant, etc.......spelling a side, a character. At the time no one was openly offended. I was. How is this not prejudice?
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