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Jag2000
Member
07-01-2009
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 5:46 pm
After what Brendon just said about Kalia..Brendon can really teach you about prejudice. And then he goes on to say it was Karma that Britney's home burned down. This guy is a piece of work,
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 6:36 pm
Maine I have to agree. It is not an easy thing to say. I want equal education for all children too. Charlotte was the first city in the nation to bus children. They did for over 40 years. There was little to no improvement in testing. The gap between black and white children is astonishing. I KNOW these children are smart. I feel they are not getting the support from home. It has to start at home. Government can not parent and nurture these children. It has to come from someone at home that loves them and wants better for them. I know this will open up a whole can of beans.
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Jadajean
Member
03-23-2008
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 6:43 pm
Adam's and Shelly's response to Brendon's statement was even worse. People should think before they speak. My opinion of both of them just dropped.
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Wavewatcher
Member
09-09-2006
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 6:53 pm
"white people are very discriminated against in my province." huh? You are speaking about a very large province...and THAT is a very broad generalization. Are you saying that because you've had bad experiences in a restaurant or shop? I hope you will rethink what you are saying about an area that happens to have a large proportion of visible minorities, not to mention many wonderful restaurants with terrific staffs who are happy to serve you no matter how blonde & freckled you may be.
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Southerngirl
Member
07-28-2008
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 7:13 pm
Maine and Olivia, I taught third grade for 32 years and you have hit the nail on the head. The district I taught in and still sub in teaches the same standards using the same activities and procedures to make sure all schools are equal.The children in my class,black or white,that are successful are those with parents that support them.Some parents think that it is our problem if their child is not doing well.They don't want to be bothered and will not come to a parent conference. I could go on and on....
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 7:28 pm
if you think 33% is a false number and Holly and I had 'false' experiences okay. nothing broad or generalized about my knowledge of this province. I feel no need to post more stats other than to correct your comment about this being a "large" province. i think the population is only around 1.5 million. no it isnt large and most of the population is in Vancouver mainland area. i dont live there. i have no need to change what I said about the Human Rights Violations in Richmond, its a matter of legal record. ****** When were whites in the US slaves? originally whites from UK were used as slave labor on early plantations. When the hard work and HEAT/ Humidity killed most off, it was decided that Africans were needed due to the ability to deal with weather. thus started the hardcore slave trade involving africa. i'm pretty sure its easily found online somewhere. I remember hearing this during a DOC on slavery.
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 7:28 pm
Yes we know that parental involvement helps children to do better in school. We keep saying this over and over, everyone knows this. WHAT DO WE DO when some of our students don't have that? We can't MAKE them parent! They don't care now and they won't care tomorrow or when the kid quits school. AGAIN WHAT DO WE DO? Just admitting that we know what the problem is does not solve the problem. Taking money and integrity away from these schools will NOT fix this problem, it will make it grow. Public Education with lots of incentives (that cost money) with fewer students per class will fix this problem. NO IT IS NOT EQUAL, because no one wants to solve the problem, they want to place blame on the reason.
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Wavewatcher
Member
09-09-2006
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 7:31 pm
"BC is over 33% asian. some areas of Vancouver are especially bad." I was going to just let this go because I thought I was not reading it correctly. I've reread a few times and in the end I personally find this insulting and hurtful. Now I'll just let it go. Time to just enjoy BB.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 7:34 pm
white people are very discriminated against in my province. its wide and encompassing. from getting Jobs to being served in a restaurant or store depending on area.BC is over 33% asian. some areas of Vancouver are especially bad. yes, some areas of vancouver are especially bad for DISCRIMINATION and prejudice. that is the topic we are discussing, yes you misread the post sorry for your confusion. gee i even gave an example. thot it was clear to cut partial quotes sure does make it seem like i've been coloured by prejudice ;) i gave that stat because so many USA people have NO idea of how multicultural we are up here on the coast
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Jadajean
Member
03-23-2008
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 7:42 pm
There is a difference between an indentured servant and a slave in America. Indentured servants could run away and fit in - slaves couldn't.
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Southerngirl
Member
07-28-2008
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 7:43 pm
Earth, smaller class size in schools with low parent involvement would be a huge help.Unfortunately due to the economy class sizes are increasing. Our schools try to help solve this problem by using mentors, before and after school tutoring,flexible regrouping for reteaching, and etc. For some students this is still not enough.
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 7:51 pm
I am white and attended a college that prides itself on being a "Black College". It was close by and thus the most convenient and least expensive way for me to get a degree as a widowed mom of four. By law they had to admit me, but I learned more about prejudice there in 3 years than I had ever known in my life. It did not come from my fellow students. It rained down on me from most of the administrators and professors who seemed to have dislike for my skin color.
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Angelrsg
Member
08-08-2005
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 8:08 pm
EM, I work at an inner-city school. Unfortunately, like in many other places, the parental involvement is very low. It is so bad, that many children either didn't have breakfast at home, didn't get to school early enough to have free breakfast, or were just given chips and "quarter juice" for breakfast. As a result, many of our students would be hungry and get headaches. In response to this, our school started serving breakfast in the classroom. Every morning during Read Aloud, Independent Reading, or Shared Reading, the kids eat breakfast, that usually includes milk, cereal, fruit juice, muffin or yogurt.
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Jag2000
Member
07-01-2009
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 8:14 pm
I live in an area in Pa. where we have small towns who are primarily Polish and Lithuanian and no minorities. About 20 years ago a Priest brought Mexicans into a town to work at a Christmas tree farm. The town is now inundated with illegal Mexicans and some African Americans. Four white kids beat a Mexican and he died. They were tried and were found guilty of simple assault. The gov't moved in and they were tried on a hate crime and were given 7 years in a fed. prison. The whites and the Mexicans do not get along. Most of the whites are older and the young ones don't stay. It is a very sad situation for everyone because most people here have never been exsposed to minorities. I wasn't until I went away to college.
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Monday, August 01, 2011 - 8:47 pm
I have been teaching in a school (in the hood) for 20 years. I know what you are saying, but again WHAT DO WE DO? Budget cuts will soon take away the free and reduced lunch programs. SO WHAT DO WE DO? Taking funding from these schools IMO is the way that the poor are kept from getting out of their environments. Stop talking about it and vote for government officials who know that without proper funding in education these numbers will double and triple in just a few years. Don't place all the burden on these kids who had no choice in their parentage or their financial status. Don't let them demonize the teachers who parent more kids in one day than you can count, but there isn't enough time in a day to do what is necessary to put them on an equal footing with their rich peers. Yes, let's talk about prejudice, bias, racism, homphobia and on and on..We know they exist and we talk the talk but how many walk the walk to end this injustice? First of all; stop believing that all black people come from meager means, they don't. Stop believing that just because someone is white that they were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, many of us did not. Stop believing that gay is a disease, and face the fact that these are normal human beings who were born gay who love just like you do. Correct anyone who tells you otherwise. WE HAVE TO FIX this country one voice at a time.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 7:38 am
****STANDING OVATION***** Thank you, Earthmom!
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Oliviamimi
Member
05-30-2009
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 7:49 am
Earth to answer your question I don't know what to do, < sigh > That is why it is so frustrating. I read about all of the programs designed to help but doubt they are helping anyone. It is as if we are throwing money at things that are too broken to fix. Feeding the children, to me, is number one. There are schools here that have over 53% homeless children. They need basics such as food, clothing and school supplies. I don't know how these children can learn when they are so stressed about not having a home. My neighbor works in one of the at risk schools here in Charlotte. She has her masters and there was incentive for her to volunteer to teach at this particular school. She fights hard everyday but admits she has made little progress. She continues to send out notices to parents for conferences etc. but in 2 years has only had 3 parents show up. She is very discouraged.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 9:34 am
I read an article the other day talking about the incredible amount of money pumped into the education system over the past 30 years. It was ungodly. And with all that money, the stats regarding success in education went up a meager 4 points... in 30 years. I wish I could find it again.
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Maineiac
Member
08-24-2009
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 10:43 am
You can pump millions of dollars into the school system. You can have the best of the best educators who truley care about these kids but when a parent doesn't care, why should the child. Oliviamimi, I'm not at all surprised that your neighbor struggles with getting the parents to care about their child's education. I'm not a teacher but I have several friends who are and I've spent hundreds of hours volunteering and participating in my children's school PTO and other activities. I've heard the frustration from my teacher friends and I've seen first hand what the lack of caring can do in a child's life and their education. What do we do? We can't force parents to be present in these kid's lives and we can't force them to care.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 10:46 am
So true, Maineiac... and, so sad. And with all the education, and all the government programs, and all the federal aid, and all the availability of birth control... here we are. Throwing good money after bad and not putting a dent in the problem.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 11:13 am
so true Maineiac, my dad is a retired school teacher and he could go on and on about this topic.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 11:21 am
I don't know when parents opted out of supporting their kids' educations. I know my mom was active in PTA; I know my friends were active in their kids' school activities. Was it when guilt at not having enough time with their kids due to two parents working took over and made parents want to be "friends" with their kids instead of parents? I have not seen the numbers from the 2010 census here in Nashville, but in the 2000 census, we were 19% immigrant. The Asian population typically sees education as the answer to better lives for their kids. For Mexicans, poverty here is a HUGE step up from where they came from. For other groups, education has not been a part of their cultural heritages, so they don't realize its worth. No answer from me - just a suggestion that the problems has many widespread roots.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 11:29 am
my dad used to get so angry because the money that goes toward education never trickles down to the classroom it's spent largely on administration and there's alot of school administrators with some huge salaries.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 11:45 am
but when a parent doesn't care, why should the child. Research actually shows that as long as a child has ONE adult mentor, ONE adult who truly cares, they can be successful. It doesn't need to be a parent. I'm not sure we can legislate parental caring. Yes, it's a shame that they don't, but it's not the only issue. Visiting schools in the inner city areas of Denver, we have toilets that don't flush, broken desks, textbooks that are falling apart, computers that are over 10 years old - if they have them at all. In suburbia, those things would not be tolerated. The kids are sent many messages that they aren't cared about. Bottom line, when you get an excellent leader in these inner city schools, the kids do well, and the parents often *then* come along. But we can't just throw up our hands and say we can't do anything because the parents don't care. WE have to care, if the parents don't.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 11:51 am
I agree. One person in a child's life who cares can make a difference. It doesn't have to be a parent.
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