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Fanof8
Member
08-04-2007
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 6:10 am
For me, it comes down to: Alliance vs. Allegiance. Seems to be alot of people giving their opinion of what exactly they see a floater as being, so have at it! I'll start by saying that at this point, Sunday morn, Aug. 7, I'm mostly seeing couples and floaters. Couples: J/J Dani/Kalia (at best, pending) Floaters: Shelly Lawan Porche Rachel Adam This obviously can change depending on who becomes HOH, but that is exactly why I believe there are floaters! Really looking at it, and at this point, J/J would be the only two, to not throw each other under the bus to benefit themselves. Allegiances: J/J B/R Alliances: Everyone else that's left. Shelly is the biggest floater of all, playing all sides, but acts with passion and conviction. Being a floater is not a bad thing at this point, but they will need to change at some point the deeper they get into the game.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 6:28 am
Since Rachel didn't win HOH last week, by her own standards which she has preached over the last two seasons, she is a floater. 
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 6:55 am
An interesting thread, Fan. Thank you. I disagree, though, on what a floater is. To me, a floater is one who just sits back and lets others play the game. It can be a valid way of playing the game -- Jordan was the ultimate floater (by my definition) in her season. I don't see Shelly as a floater at all. I think she has been in the action with her sleeves rolled up since early in the game. I also don't see Rachel as a floater or Jeff or Kalia or Dani. To me, the floaters this season -- the ones allowing the others to do all the work while they just hide and play it safely -- are Jordan (who's hiding behind Jeff), Lawon, Porche and Adam. I am not sure what any of these four have really done in this game other than to sit back and watch the game played around them and to make sure they voted with the power each week.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 7:04 am
What, ITA with you re: Jordan. She took floating to new heights. She sat in the backyard for the first six weeks of the game.
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Hwest
Member
07-01-2011
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 7:07 am
A floater is what doesn't go down after you flush.
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Fanof8
Member
08-04-2007
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 7:53 am
Lexi and What - I agree with you both. First Lexi, yes, in re. to Rachel being a floater. I listed her as allegiance, but only to Brendan, who is gone, so now she is floating and only seems to want to hook up to anyone strong {like her and Brandon) in competitions. She doesn't seem to give any cred to the socially strong players. If she ever tried to allign with a strong social player, or perhaps try to form an alliance with the social newbies (Porche, Lawan, Adam for ex.) they could be very powerful. But again her strong point is not social play. What I also agree (and thanks for the compliment btw) with your definition of a floater. The "sit and wait" group definitely have that as a strategy and it's a more the "classic" type in that they aren't getting into any trouble or committment. Shelly on the other hand, is bound to be found out. Playing all sides (which to me is a floater, but a conniving one) may not be the classic kind, but definitely a dangerous kind because when people finally get down to the lower numbers of remaining HGs, maybe even this week, they are going to talk and find out who's running to whom with info, rumor, etc., and may discover Shelly has neither an alliance nor an allegiance with anyone yet, but Shelly.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 7:55 am
A floater is someone that floats back and forth to whomever happens to be in power. The only thing they bring to the table is a vote & that vote is basically an HOH vote. They have value as a vote but they don't bring anything else to the table.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 8:04 am
I think of a floater as someone who plays Shelly's game. Someone who floats between alliances and acts as if she is in every group. They are not nominated because each alliance considers the Floater to be working with them. Or in the very least not actively gunning for them. It is a valid game strategy... though very risky and hard. These floaters usually get outed if they don't wait too long before choosing a side. That is very different than the non-player -- the HG's who simply sit in the background and watch the game being played by the others. They stay so far under the radar so as not to be anyone's target. Therefore they are not nominated (no threat) and not targeted. By some definition they float to the end without being noticed.
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Jeff33
Member
07-05-2009
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 8:17 am
Biggest floater this year is Lawon Who.. Beau Whos brother!! Doesnt bring anything to the game other than a vote
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 8:21 am
Exactly Bonbon... the non-players could be seen as floaters there is a real difference in there. To me there are definite non-players in there and that's Lawon, Adam and Jordan. Shelly is the ultimate floater and Porsche floats but doesn't know where to. Rachel could not be a floater since she is a constant target and has to fight to survive. Kalia started as a floater but as HOH had to take a stand (a misguided one) and targeted Rachel, such an easy target! But Shelly is the ultimate floater and she does it so well that in my view should win the game.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 8:21 am
chime in, a floater 2 me is someone who has no real allegiance to a side or sides and who doesnt want to win any challenges thus avoiding responsibility and decisions. to me the floaters in the house are porsche- is she rachel or danis side? 1st 3 wks it seemed rachel, last 2 weeks it seems danis adam- i think he is jj side but is friendly with dani also and seems to throw/stink at challenges shelley-the biggest floater so far, she put her lips right up to whoever is in charge that week, tells them all she doesnt want to win and wants to see them win the money to help in their lives and maybe with the exception of lawon and porsche i believe she has final deals with everyone else. special catergory lawon- he seems to be with dani/kalia but i believe he is the most useless HG in there and nobody really cares about him unless they would want a vote. and is horrid at comps alliances jeff/jordan and rachel dani and kalia
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 8:35 am
I actually don't get why people in the game are so against floaters except that they are jealous. Floaters often win the game or come very close: examples: Lisa, Dr. Will (who never won I comp that I can remember), Alison, Dan & Memphis, Lane & Enzo, Jordan & Natalie and I am sure many more. To me Floaters just play a social game & stay out of the fights and DO NOT try to win comps and float to the end. BUT to me it's just another way to play the game and it seems to work so what's real issue? I think it's that green eyed monster rearing it's ugly head!
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 8:45 am
The reason active players don't like floaters is because the active players protect floaters by taking out strong players. Active players get blood on their hands by just winning HOH (challenge threat, they HAVE to nominate someone). Floaters sit back & reap the benefits of being passive, non-threats but do nothing to help the active players that are keeping them in the game.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 8:56 am
Please dont ever call Will a floater. He would tell people he was lying to them, he would tell them to vote him out of the house and still won the game. The guy was so masterful with his mind games he can never be a floater
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Dint
Member
05-14-2011
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 10:52 am
People have used the term "Floater" incorrectly over these past many BB seasons. I would suggest that we need new and more proper words to describe that really happens in the house. Competitor - Someone who tries their best at winning a challenge. Spectator - Someone who does not try their best at winning a challenge. Alliancer - Someone who creates an alliance and stays true to their group. Floater - Someone who breaks agreements and makes agreements with who ever has the power in the house (HOH, POV holder). Strategist - Someone who makes voting and nominations based on strategic (eliminate someone who can win a competition) reasons. Personalist - Someone who makes voting and nominations based on personal (like and don't like) reasons. The above definitions seem to better define what really happens in the Big Brother House. I do wish I could have a better word that floater but floating seems to describe how HouseGuests really do move towards someone who has the power in the house. A floater could be a very good competitor. Rachel is a good example. They can form alliances with who ever is HOH and at the same time compete in a challenge and play their hearts out. There are few HouseGuests who are Alliancers who stay true to their group until the end. Most alliances are broken (several times) over the course of a season. Most players become floaters due to the natural shifting nature of groups that form and change over time. Players love to believe that they always play using good strategy and never play on a personal level. Most players are wrong. The Big Brother game tends to force the HOH to make a personal nomination because each person wants to eliminate an enemy from the house. Some examples of these definitions: (My personal opinion.) Rachel - Competitor, Floater and Personalist. Yes she does make and break alliances and very much makes personal nominations. Dani - Competitor, Floater and somewhat of a Strategist. Jeff - Competitor, Alliancer, Personalist. Jordan - Competitor, Alliancer, Personalist. Shelly - Spectator, Floater, Strategist. Lawan - Spectator, Floater, Personalist. Porche - Spectator, Floater, ?. Adam - Spectator, Floater, Personalist. Kalia - Competitor, Floater, Personalist. I believe we need to use a three word system that can describe how a person plays in the Big Brother House.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 11:07 am
Oregonguy-I'll call Dr. Will a floater if I wish too. I believe he was a great floater. He just told people what they wanted to hear & never won a comp. To me he is the Ultimate Floater. Again-Floaters often make it far if not winning so I have no issue with Floaters and think it's just another way to play the game.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 11:31 am
How about a 'flitter' instead of a 'floater'.
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Dint
Member
05-14-2011
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 11:35 am
Dogdoc stated "How about a 'flitter' instead of a 'floater'." Yeah! I like it. Maybe even a flipper? Flitter/Flipper... one or the other?
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 12:14 pm
Lawon can't be called a floater, because he has an alliance LOL!
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 2:54 pm
Will- Season 2 - alliance with boogie and shannon (that stunk and got voted out week 3&4) - remained in the house where he was disliked and went up on the block 3 out of the next 5 times and by use of his verbal skills managed to stay in the house. He didnt RUN to people for help they would come to him and want to believe what he was saying and that he would help them as he sat there with a devilish grin telling them that he is probably lying to them. IMO the most impressive use of verbal manipulation in BB history. Then in BB7 alliance with boogie sub alliance with janelle and erika. seem to remember a F4 for them. He should have been the 1st target and instead went f4. they ran that house. in both seasons he openly stated he didnt need to win comps to do well in BB, he used his best skill set which was his mouth. He didnt not win comps to appear weak and not a target as everyone already marked him as a big target irregardless. Its because of this "game" play that a good amount of people consider him the greatest BB player of all time!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 3:28 pm
ITA with Oregon re: Dr. Will. I wouldn't call him a floater. Like I said earlier, the "Ultimate Floater" would have to be Jordan, who sat in the backyard for the first six weeks of her first season not talking to anyone but Jeff.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 3:33 pm
In the BB house floaters are seen as the evil "bad guys" by those in power only because the floaters are playing the game differently (more fluidly) than the bullying "good guys". They go where the house dynamics take them...they adapt when they need to a lot more easily than someone stuck in a partnership alliance. That's my definition of "floater" - any HG that plays the game more fluidly and more dynamically than those in the solid, easy-to-spot alliances. Floaters often win, so there's no reason they should thought of as second class players. People like Brenchal are just afraid of floaters because they are harder to read, but that often makes them more formidable players, not the "undeserving" players they are often accused of being. They are "playing the game", too....just differently than the power couples.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 3:47 pm
But in Brenchel's eyes, if you don't win a comp or you intentionally throw a comp, or you are not in an alliance with them, you are a floater. The "social game" aspect completely baffles them - they don't get it. Dr. Will had a fabulous social game. Dr. Will was on the block almost every week - he had to work the house so he would'nt be voted out. Brenchel could win every HOH and POV and still lose at the jury 0-7. Yet, someone like Dr. Will, who they would consider a floater because he never won a comp would in all likelihood win again (depending upon who he was against). I think the person with the best social game this season may be Shelly. They are talking about putting Adam up as the pawn this week - this will be his third time on the block. Not once has anyone mentioned putting Shelly up (that I know of - unless I missed that conversation).
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 3:56 pm
I would agree, Lexie. Shelly is playing one of the best games in the House right now. She could get tripped up, of course, because she has so many balls in the air. But right now she is definitely a behind-the-scenes and unrecognized force to be reckoned with.
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Fanof8
Member
08-04-2007
| Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 5:12 pm
Lots of good points made on this board. But again, Lexie and What: I think if you both crown Jordan as Queen of the Floaters, you have to consider Dani in her year. She rode her dad's coattails the whole way, AND, made it to the final two! She was very clever in that year in making everyone think she totally resented him and would throw him under the bus as soon as she could - AND - I believe she would have if anyone else could have given her reason to think they could oust her father, ED. Dr. Will was in an alliance with boogie, hence, I wouldn't deem him a floater. They teamed up early, but the thing was, it was able to be kept a secret for a long time. Also, Will gave off the impression that he couldn't care less if he stays or goes, then when on the block, always gave a rational and logical reason to keep him around and ultimately to the end, lol, for everyone else's benefit! Maybe the next CBS attempt to bring back vets with a twist, would be to have a FLOATERS ALL-STARS! Now who would THAT include? lol
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