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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 8:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
America has so much wealth and yet many parts look like a third world country. It is amazing.

With respect to Health Care in Canada, I think people picture hospital wards as having a dozen beds. In reality, in most hospitals a ward might have a solid partition with two beds on each side (total of four beds). Plus as Mame said, they often just put you in semi-private or even private at no extra charge. When Cathy had our first baby, she was in a private room at no extra charge and they had her stay from Tuesday evening through to Sunday morning and that was with an induced delivery with absolutely no complications. They also had a nice chair that folded down into a bed for me as well so I could stay overnight if I wanted. Pretty nice to say the least and we didn't pay anything.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Sun, Symbicort is still available as an aresol in the states, thank you Lord. My son can't use the powdered inhalers because of his allergies. (Powdered milk) Glad you can get the form you need.

If you gotta pay, pay where you get what you need.

I bought other asthma inhalers from Canada, cash, for years, even thought my insurance paid for the same med here in the U.S.. But the delivery system (powder) here changed and was toxic to my kid.

(Side bar) Now things have changed.....drug regs........argh, .....go after the real drugs, not the delivery system. Same for my Fibro meds.

Now I can't get those asthma meds in a safe delivery system for my son, so we have to use different meds that are non powder. Do they control his asthma as well? NO NO NO. But its all I can get anywhere.

What happens to my kid when every inhaler goes powder that includes his anayphatic allergen?

"So sorry son, nice to have known you, but the yohoo's concered about global warming are less concerned about cow farts, than keeping people alive."

I personally think that all asthma meds, and many other meds should be available in all forms. For Sun, she needs a powder form, for my son he needs the aresol. Why can't both be availble to both of us without going outside of our insurance, regarless of country?

We all have to realize, no matter what country we are in, that generics are the the first and most often the only med our insurance/country will pay for today. Many of them are just fine, but some of us can't take the generic.

Just because I get the med in the states or Canada, doesn't mean it was manufactured there.

I need BP meds. The first one I tried caused an allergic reaction. Was it the med, the inert ingredients, or WHERE AND HOW it was manufactured (latex gloves)? No one but me really wants to know and I ran into dead end after dead end in trying to figure it out. It still might be the best med for me, but that is the manufacturer my pharmacy carries. Oh yes, change pharmancies.......that doesn't mean that they will stock a different manufacturer or even know. Have you ever asked your pharmacist to see the bottle that they dispensed your meds from? Give it a try.

Oh and before someone says have your Dr, just check the DAW box at the bottom.......That might work for Sun, I don't know, but for the meds that helped my son's asthma the most....they just aren't avalible here in the U.S. anymore unless they are is the powdered form. So my insurance paid a huge hospital bill and my son almost died (respirator, morbidity Dr., ICU etc.) two years ago because of it.

Jenjackso
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02-10-2009

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jenjackso a private message Print Post    
Back to topic: I was playing Guess Who with one of my children and I asked the question, "Does your person have black skin (there is one that looks Indian and one that looks black, etc. so I was trying to get all of them with one question)?" My child replied, "That's racist." I was appalled that our children are being taught that it's not okay to recognize skin color. I tried to explain that I didn't assign judgment to it but their teacher had told them otherwise, you can't even say that someone has a skin color I guess.

Oh, and I'm part black, but I'm not African American, so you would think it would be okay.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Sun, I get Symbicort powder too and I'm prescribed it by name and its covered. We must be on different plans somehow. I'm sorry you have such troubles. I can't imagine having to pay extra for what you need.

I also got a private room when my son was born but I was one of just a few women there so we all got private rooms.

Mummy, I'm sure they will keep inhalers in all forms. They have to. Good luck to you and your son. My son has to carry an epipen at all times and I worry constantly about him.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I'm not saying that pc hasn't been used in a ridiculous way because it has. I say what I have to say and if it is taken wrong then that's their problem not mine. I do believe however that black women have been dubbed angry when they speak up for themselves. I do believe that unwed black women are dubbed promiscuous far more often that white women. We know that some black women have too many children that they can't support, but so do white women and latino women and I could go on and on. I don't know one black woman who had her children for financial purposes, more just gullibility in that the guy loves her and plans to care for her and her children, but not for money. and yet this myth gets repeated over and over again. It is not true and it's not right. I don't know anyone who wakes up and says how can I get something for nothing this morning? I'm sure there are people like that but they come in all shapes, sizes and colors. To be honest I know more white people who are taking permanent disability who really aren't disabled than poor people on welfare.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
in most hospitals a ward might have a solid partition with two beds on each side

not in any of the places i've worked in. Plus they put men and women in the same rooms these days. curtains are inbetween and there is NO real privacy.

there are tons of complaints but Rooms are set up per surgery or Needs (cardiac/ hospice etc)

as per more claims of FREE tv etc, that is substidized by donations when its a specialty area. Like the Kids having all kinds of tv and video in the Pedatrics area.

its not free, someone is paying.

IN most hospitals there are four bed, two bed and Single rooms. A patient MAY end up in a private/ semi private but when a need is voiced, the unpaying person will be moved. I've heard complaints from people who were moved multiple times during their stay.

here in BC there is such a problem with overcrowding, there are beds in the HALLS.

either way, I dont wish to debate opinions. everyone has them. I am talking as per my experiences and knowledge of how it works on the inside.

Thx

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
whoa jenjackso,
i'm surprised that the response was that its racist to even discuss what a character's ancestry is. I often ask people what their ancestry is IF they have a really cool name.

:-( maybe is considered racist to ask???

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
weird about the propellent in USA, but it can be used to get high with so maybe its been phased out.

YES dry powders can have lactose in it. but that is just the sugar.

i read labels all the time. One of the Antihistamines have "soap powder" as an ingredient.

final comment as per generics... the claim is they are the "same" drug. BUT they arent. the fillers are different but HOW the med is made is different too.

sometimes they are made in countries that do not have the safety laws we have here too.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Inhalers were changed here (USA) a year or two ago, hasn't been that long, and had something to do with the environment (newer ones are more environmentally friendly or something,) at least thats what the pharmacist told me. My main concern at the time (and still is) is that used to, when I refilled my daughters inhaler prescription, we'd get two albueterol inhalers and the co-pay was $20. Now we get one Pro-Air inhaler, half the size as the old albueterol inhalers, and my co-pay is $50. Since she has to have 4 inhalers at most times (one at school, one at home, one to go with us when we're out of the house, and one in her gear bag for softball) we're talking a difference of $40 for the old ones and $200 for new ones even though the new ones run out much sooner since they're half the size as the old ones. Big gripe right now since I have to get refills for the one I carry with me and the one that goes to school.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, August 05, 2011 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
So my experiences, my husband's experiences, Cinnamongirl's experiences, and Jimmer's experiences, etc, are repeatedly dismissed as 'opinions' or 'misinformation', whereas a certain other's experiences must be accepted as factual. The hubris is hilarious.

Suffice it to say, that in my world, I accept that others may have had differing experiences. But their experiences are as valid as anyone else's, not superior or 'more' true.

Yes, of course, the FREE tv and FREE phone in the burn unit are from donations. But it IS FREE to the patient! Splitting hairs much? LOL. (There is no phone fairy or tv fairy, so I guess it has to come from somewhere, eh?)

EVERYTHING costs money and yes, someone has to pay, and it's been discussed at TVCH ad nauseum that we Canadian taxpayers pay for our FREE medicare. But the point is that when we go for medical care we are NOT billed as it is a FREE service. Whether it's for a tetanus shot or a week in the burn unit, it's ALL FREE.

I hope I'm done with this as I agree completely with those who say this has veered off topic. I suppose I can bring it around to the topic at hand by saying that our healthcare does not discriminate due to class or income, it is available to each and every Canadian citizen. If the rich or desperate wish to jump the queue and go elsewhere that is certainly their perogative. If someone procrastinates getting medical care, it's certainly not for fear of the financial burdon because there is none as is unfortunately the case far too often in the States.

Some folks continuously see the glass as half empty, and especially when speaking about Canadian medicare, that's absurd and just plain sad.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, August 05, 2011 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Dear Mods, please make a slight correction for me in my post above. Please change Mizinvancouver's name to Cinnamongirl's in my first paragraph. Thanks in advance!

Done! <24>

Funfit4life
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03-16-2006

Friday, August 05, 2011 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Funfit4life a private message Print Post    
racism exists when your evaluation of someone is tainted or skewed because of the color of someone's skin. I find plenty of racism in this game as well as in the discussion of this game.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Friday, August 05, 2011 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
accusations of Dismissive comments are false.

my point was Originally, wayyyyy back a page or so, that telling usa people that it is free is not accurate. i stand by that firm fact. typing a post using FREE HEALTHCARE in capitals does make it accurate.

We pay, its not free. it IS billed, to our MSP plan. And believe me, in a hospital setting a person IS ASKED for money up front for some testing/ and will be billed before they leave.



last post on subject due having my decades of experience, knowledge working IN The medical system dismissed and my personal experiences insinuated as faulty.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Friday, August 05, 2011 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Well, Sunshyne, lobbyists against universal health care in the U.S. have banged away, citing Canada's free health care and how Canadians are dying like flies because of it.

I gave up trying to explain it years ago.

Cinnamongirl
Member

01-10-2001

Friday, August 05, 2011 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Too bad that was your last post on the subject cuz I'd love to know what tests patients have to pay for, in any kind of setting, when a doctor requests them. I've never heard of that.

Mame I totally understand your meaning of free, and I'm sure most others do too.