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Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
EM, all of them are minorities

That doesn't surprise me one bit. If that student had been able to get proper schooling from day one, he probably would not have needed special ed. The fact that a kid has a bad parent does not mean they are learning impaired, and this country does a great disservice to these kids by just sticking them there. I also know that we have sooooo many kids who really need special ed and there is no room because we have filled up the caseloads with kids who are simply undereducated and haven't had the luxury of a well rounded environment condusive to learning.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
Mamablanche what happens if someone is visiting Canada and they get sick? Sorry this is off topic I hope no one minds this question.

Jenjackso
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02-10-2009

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jenjackso a private message Print Post    
For the person who scaled down my comment about teaching a concept with just paper and pencil, I am a parent volunteer and that is all I need. You turned it into a comment about how I was reducing the role of educators. I was talking about what parent volunteers can do and that technology is not required to help kids who are struggling.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
You are right Jenjackso we don't need technology to teach basic skills, but we do need more hands. I was a parent volunteer once too, before I became a teacher, and was able to do just what you are saying. Unfortunately we don't have 20 to 1 classrooms any longer, and in the innercity schools we don't have volunteers either. So you tell me how a teacher with 35 kids in a classroom can give that kind of individual attention to all of these kids? If we could change 24 hours into 48 it wouldn't be enough. All kids don't learn the same way, therefore to teach differentially requires time to learn each of their skills and their ability, try doing that while being forced to teach to a test that these kids aren't even remotely devopmentally prepared for. Our government, starting with that STUPID NCLB, is setting up teachers and kids to fail. So let's cut funding, wow that should help!!

Technology is our future however, so paper and pencil though not useless will not prepare our kids for jobs in the 21st century. Higher mathmatical thinking is the norm today not the exception.

Why do you think these politicians want to cut funding for head start???? If they were truly interested in how our kids are educated then that would be the last program they cut. It gives our minority and poor kids an equal footing when starting school as their peers who's parents can afford private pre school. The truth is that they want to keep the miniorities ignorant, it benefits their own personal agendas.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Mamablanche what happens if someone is visiting Canada and they get sick?

Shenanegon, frankly I don't know, but I'm fairly sure that they'd be billed.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
its not free. misleading posts must be why some nonresidents think its free.

Even when a person is IN HOspital they could end up with a BILL as they leave. Lots of stuff isnt covered by our Medical Insurance. Which is why some kinds of patients chose to go to USA or overseas for treatment. :-)

However, we HAD (notice past tense) a good system. Its a bastardization of Private and Public now, so its pretty easy to rack up $$$$ worth of testing/drs fees

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
At least you have something..too bad most middle class working Americans can't say the same. The person who works 2 minimum wage jobs to keep a roof over their kid's heads don't get free or even subsidized health care (they make too much money) according to the matrix.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 5:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Okay it's not free. But it is incredibly reasonable.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 5:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
So you are saying Universal Health care paid by the government is better Sun? I agree and our poor kids whos parents are struggling to feed them deserve the same thing. Our hard working middle class tax payers deserve the same thing.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 5:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Americans who are treated in Canadian hospitals get billed.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Lots of stuff isnt covered by our Medical Insurance. Which is why some kinds of patients chose to go to USA or overseas for treatment.

What wouldn't be covered? Just curious Sun.... I've heard of people going elsewhere to get things done sooner...or maybe an experimental treatment of some sort...I've never heard of anyone racking up fees for testing or drs fees. Not saying its not out there but its news to me.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 7:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i'm just popping in, then back out.

my example from earlier post.... $380 for my losec pills. NOT COVERED by the socalled "free" health insurance

if I went into hospital for a few weeks, I'd be PAYING for my meds. If I want a private or semi private room, I'd be paying.

If i have a big ugly hair mole on my cheek, I'd have to pay for it to be removed.

ANYTHING cosmetic is not covered by our NONfree medical insurance. IF a person has HIV, Cancer or Heart problems ( just examples) they are TOLD what they can take, what meds, what treatment. Its based on COST, because this is insurance Not a FREEBEE.

about a decade ago, HIV drugs were about two grand a month. Now a person can join BC-CfE HIV Drug Treatment Program and it is covered. I have NO idea if a person has a CHOICE of meds.

Ok i gotta go outside to finish mowing (got my wireless on tho)

oh and my uncle had his prostate cancer radiation therapy done in the usa years ago. why?? because what he wanted Would have taken months to be allowed in Canada so he got it done FAST in the states. Money talks down there.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Medicare never paid for drugs until that part D stuff that GWB put in place that he didn't fund properly. Anyway Medicare doesn't pay for cosmetic surgery either unless it is harming your health. So I'm not sure why everyone here can't have that. It's also what Congress gets, but middle class America's who have been deemed to well paid to get this kind of help, pay taxes and get nothing but illness and bankrupcy if they get sick. The average dr.'s visit with a blood test could cost 300 dollars. How do you think people can afford that. The average health insurance policy for a family of 4 is twelve hundred dollars per month if you want your medicine paid for as well, and that is conjunction with co pays.

Would your uncle have been able to get what he needed here if he didn't have money? I can't imagine that was cheap...you just made my point for me.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Honestly, unless you are a rich American or have a fantastic health plan, as an individual you would be far better off with the Canadian health system.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 9:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
warts n all.


its not perfect but Thank God for it when a loved one or a child becomes seriously ill.

i've heard stories of people having to remortgage the house so a loved one can have surgery :-(

and wow are we on a tangent lol

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 11:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
we are on a tangent but I gotta say...

If I want a private or semi private room, I'd be paying.

ANYTHING cosmetic is not covered by our NONfree medical insurance.


I have no issue with our government NOT paying for cosmetic surgery, unless the problem is causing a health concern, physical or mental. I also don't think they should be footing the bill for private rooms...or semi private for that matter. Why should they?

IF a person has HIV, Cancer or Heart problems ( just examples) they are TOLD what they can take, what meds, what treatment.

Yeah....and?? Isn't that how it supposed to work? We go to doctors so they can help us and tell us a plan of action for our health. I don't see a problem there either, but I'm not in the healthcare profession so maybe you know something I don't.

I wonder why they don't pay for your meds? Is it something that fair pharmacare can take over?

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 1:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
I'm in the U.S., we (Hub and me) have employer sponsored insurance. The co-pays are now higher. When the insurance was recently changed, we now have to pay more in co-pay. That part is O.K., but we also have to pay more than our co-pay, plus the insurance part thorugh the other plan for presciptions. Can't see how my Dr's profits from this, just the pharmacies. Before a script was 2 bucks or so for us, the print out said the insurance paid $10's more......Now it is a flat $40. 2 + 10, doesn't equal 40. Different insurance different prices.

This is a big problem

Cosmetic surgery is not included (never heard of a plan that did). And its up the insurance carrier what is cosmetic. So here I sit with a problem that most U.S. insurace would cover, but not the new policy.

On the bright side my knees are warm. And I am happy to have insurance.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 1:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Yes, this thread has gone off on a couple tangents. School, now insurance.

Can we restart and give examples of where you never thought you were being prejudice, but got a glace, or confronted and were totally unaware that what you said was offensive?

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 2:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
thx for the question Cinnamon.



ok, i'll try to keep it simple.

There are options for almost every condition.disease

With the development of GENERIC pharmaceuticals, there is a Mandate to only pay for the Cheap "no name" meds.

So in my case, severe chemical sensitivity, i cannot use the Sambutamol Inhaler due to the propellent used. So i'm FORCED to pay $100 out of pocket for my Symbicort dry powder inhaler (no propellent)

Same with the stomach pills, Losec is a Brand name but I can tolerate it.... but medical Plan will only cover the Generic brand. So I pay the cash.

Even tho a doctor has ordered it, and I require it medically, and the generic meds Are NOT an option due to allergies etc, I still have to pay.
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now comes the part that I think you are asking about.
tell us a plan of action for our health.

Yes doctors will discuss options with the person BUT the OPTIONS put forward will be based on what is being encouraged at the time.

Most of us do NOT have any kind of a grasp of cancer meds or heart meds....we trust our doctor to make that decision for us.

In my case, i've had to take control of the issue tho. Doctors arent pharmacists so I try to get my info from them, then pass it on to dr.

a really good example of MSP NOT paying for testing is the PSA test. at one time it was a routine screening test for Prost. cancer/ it was also done monthly on many men just to keep track of how things were going. Now that is NOT ALLOWED, even if the doctor orders it monthly, the patient must Pay. ((this is how it used to be when i worked in the area, it may have changed again))

Another great example is Eye examinations. MSP will only pay for ONE in two years. So if a person has an eye problem or some big changes, they have to pay out of pocket.

i suddenly am very tired. so if this post isnt clear. sorry. :-(

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 3:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Sun The constant lying and fighting might be fun for lowbrows and unintelligent people

Seriously? I thought I was watching a social experience. Do you really think that lying and backstabing can be relegaded to poor people? Believe me it is alive and well in the middle class.

It goes back to our wonderful TVCH teachers rants in the prejudice thread. The PTA/O is just a social climbing machine. All the parents (in or out of the PTA/O) know that. Some of us do what we can (parties, helping the teacher)and avoid the politics.

Does that mean we don't care? No, it means we don't want the politics.

For me, this show helps me learn the politics, because I may be able to help my kids down the line with the nonsenece.

Cumupance and politics seems to be the way to the top these days.

Never learned it, trying to now.}

Be danged the spelling.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 3:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Sun I totally understand about the generic option. Many of us with employeer bassed health coverage have encoundered the same thing. It's not the med, its the inert ingedients/fillers.

For me it's where and how the the generic is manufactured.

Sounds like the flaws span both of us.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 6:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
My Medicare supplement is $161 a month. I buy my drugs out of Canada bcause the total cost of a script there is less than my deductible here. Whenever I hear anyone here talking about wanting to save money on their meds, I tell them about my savings!

And now - gasp - a line or two about prejudice. I am a white woman of Christian persuasion from a middle class family as I have never personally experience prejudice. Neither am I aware of any negative feelings toward others who are different from myself. Nashville at the 2000 census was 19% immigrant, and I am sure it has gone up from there. I have no idea what the AA percentage or if I have ever heard it mentioned.

I was expecting to encounter prejudice as an older person (70 in June), but I have met nothing but kindness and assistance at every turn. And, yes, I thankfully acknowledge that I lead a very blessed and priviledged life.

As further acknowledgement, I volunteer with TEN organizations - two involved in hunger issues, two serving seniors, two that support youth programs, and four that deal with recreation and entertainment venues. I NEVER feel that I am GIVING a darn thing - just paying back what I owe a world that has blessed me richly.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
To reiterate: Hubby's PRIVATE room in the burn ward of a major trauma hospital was FREE. All his meds during his hospitalization were FREE. (All the rooms in the burn unit at this hospital are private rooms, btw.)

While they usually do charge for private and semi-private rooms in the rest of the hospital, if there is NO ward room available it's a FREE upgrade. That happened to me when I had my blocked intestine and was hospitalized for 9 days. I was put into a semi-private room and only had to pay for my phone and tv. (For hubby when he was in the burn unit, even the tv and phone were FREE.)

Canada has a wonderful health system. It could be better, but my goodness, it could be so much worse. I truly believe we are blessed to be here.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
The education and medical insurance tangent was started by me to show that if you are a disadvantaged minority or simply poor that the system is far from equal. I think it is done on purpose due to racism, bias, and the perception that poor people are in their situation because they are lazy, which is prejudice. Many more are in this situation because the parents themselves didn't get a well rounded education and can't afford to offer their children culture and experience. We are not equal and the advantages a person has determines how well and how quickly they learn.

I'm not just talking about technology. Some have a distorted view of what these kids need. Yes, no doubt some would do well with a wood shed approach, but most would do better if they could experience something other than "the neighborhood." These are areas that see crime, especially drug dealing daily that these kids see every day to a from school. This is what they know. They need to see museums, zoos, planatariums, history and science based learning environments. They need to see that there is something outside of their squaller. This takes money and unfortunately when it comes to our own government when cuts are made this is the first place they go. Why? because it's easier to take from someone who has no means to fight back. They keep "these people" (that term makes me sick) in their place. On their knees to "the man."

Schools require certain medical proceedures for kids at different times of their school career. This is good thing so disease doesn't spread. The poor working family may not have the money today to do that, so they keep their kid home from school until they have enough from their meager pay checks to afford what they need. Maybe this kid would excell if they could see properly. There is no way some of these kid's parents can just go get glasses for them. This cycle of poverty and imo, racism and class warfare will never end until we have affordable health care for all and understand that education is more than reading, writing and arithmatic.

I've heard, "well a lot of these kids have cell phones so they can't be that poor". Truth be told, if my kid had to walk to and from school in a crime ridden area a cell phone would be on my list of priorities for my child too. It is only a perk if you don't need it.
Education and health should be a right for all Americans not only available to those who can afford it. That is what prejudice means to me and I'm surrounded by it daily.

What I am seeing more and more is the narrowing of what determines poor and what determines middle class. The monies they earn are closer than you might imagine, but the services they get are a world apart. More and more middle income families are having to move to these impovrished areas and their kids are now going to get subpar education because our schools are deemed underproductive by those who don't think that poor people and minorities are worthy.

Don't tell me that racism, prejudice and bias does not exist in our country, it surely does.

Earthmother
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07-13-2002

Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
The data in that report bears repeating: Between 2005 and 2009, median African-American households -– those right in the middle –- saw their net worth decline by 53 percent, falling from $12,124 to $5,677. Median Hispanic households saw an even sharper drop, from $18,359 to $6,325 -– a 66 percent plunge. Meanwhile, median white households saw their net worth fall from $134,992 to $113, 149, a 16 percent drop.

Net worth refers to assets –- everything from cars and homes to savings accounts and stock portfolios –- minus debt. So, in simplest terms, the report offered evidence that a key racial divide –- the wealth gap separating white households from minority households –- had widened considerably during the Great Recession. In 2004, white American households boasted net worth equal to 11 times the African-American value. By 2009, white households held 19 times as much wealth as black households.

The cause of this widening gap is not hard to divine. Homes have fallen in value, and particularly in states in which Hispanics are counted in large numbers, such as Florida, California and Arizona. The unemployment rate among African Americans has climbed from 7.9 percent at the beginning of 2007 to 16.2 percent in June, sending large numbers of black Americans into delinquency on mortgages, credit cards and car payments.

wow, first article I read this morning from the Huffington Pots