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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 11:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I can think of a bunch of funny things to say here but I'll restrain myself as it is a serious topic.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
So, uh, why does cracker (the kind you put cheese on) never get a bad wrap? I've never heard anyone lobbying to get the name changed to accomodate us people of no color.

The race card is becoming a tiring tool used as an excuse, a political vehicle, a lawsuit, and on and on. It's crying wolf so long and so often that all it's really doing is fueling the gap between humans- of all colors.

And it'll be a cold day in hell when I start measuring every word out of my mouth for fear one will offend someone INADVERTENTLY.

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
ITA with Chippy and Holly.

People let words have too much power. I know words can hurt but only if you let them. JMO

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think that is a wonderful way to think in theory. In practice it's a little different for many people.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
How can it be 'crying wolf' when discrimination is still so widespread? It's not fueling a gap, when it already exists. The fact that people don't get that it still exists, and is still hurtful is the cause of the 'gap.'

Cracker is not an issue, because white people have not been widely discriminated against. So there's a BIG difference.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
According to wikipedia, "jimmies" was at one point considered to be a racist term by some, but the actual reason why remains unexplained.

Of course, just because they can't determine a racist context now, it doesn't mean there never was one. The reputation of a word or term that some people/families may have once considered to be racist/offensive could continue on despite the fact that it's racist origins have been lost in history.

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"Names

The origin of the name "jimmies" is unknown. It is first documented in 1930, as a topping for cake and although this may in fact be an error, the term "jimmies" became a popular name for sprinkles.[5]
Though the Just Born Candy Company claims to have invented jimmies and named them after an employee,[6] this is unlikely.[7][8] The rumor that the name somehow refers to Jim Crow is also likely false.[7][9]
As part of the paper's regular column "The Word", The Boston Globe's issue of March 13, 2011, featured an overview of possible historical sources to the name "jimmies", including an evaluation (and, ultimately, a refusal) of possible racist undertones.[10]"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmies

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Just saying - even if the racist connotation was just a "rumor" that eventually morphed into an urban legend over time, the term could still evoke a "racist" reaction in some families that had been taught that the word was offensive.

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This whole "jimmies is racist" discussion reminds me of a favorite (very) short poem by Emily Dickenson:

"A word is dead when it is said, some say. I say it just begins to live that day." -- Emily Dickinson

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I always cringe a little inside when I see a child named "Dick."

LOL, this reminds me of a favorite Christmas card I got a few years back. On the front was Tiny Tim (Dicken's Christmas Carol boy), propped on his crutches, looking all depressed and dog faced. Inside the card it said, "Tiny Tim could have had it much worse. His name could have been Dick!"

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Sun I don't consider the lives of animals unimportant
i didnt say you did, Mummy. SOrry for the confusion. I meant Society in general has a certain amount of prejudice against the status of animal lives/ living conditions.

Locally we had a man beat a puppy to death in a hotel. People could hear the hits and the puppy screaming as it died.
I'll dig up some facts.

In one of the longest sentences handed down for animal cruelty in Canada, Justice Ernie Quantz Wednesday ordered Brent Malcolm Connors, 24, spend six months in jail for cruelty for the three-month pit bull named Bandit, plus another 30 days for breaching previous court orders. The sentences are to be served concurrently.

The Facts

• Brent Connors was breaking court orders imposed from previous drug and gun offences when he killed Bandit on New Year's Day, 2011.


• Witnesses heard banging and a dog's cries coming from one room and knocked on the door. When the noises continued, they called police.

• Officers found blood and dog feces smeared all over the room. They also found bottles of vodka, a baggy of cocaine and steroids in the room. Bandit was dead on the bed.

• Connors' defence lawyer, Martin Allen​, said he suffered from the pressures of being the son of a cop and compensated by taking steroids.


The max he could have got was 18 months PLUS the Probation violation.

no doubt he was too drunk to take the puppy out for a walk to poo and Went into a rage when the dog couldnt hold it in anymore.

IF that was a three month old baby, Nancy Grace would have had a special hour dedicated to it. AND public protests would be held ala Casey Anthony}

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Nappy has been known for years as a word describing some african american hair. It is insulting.

i thought it was because the little ponytail clumps were wrapped with Ripped napkins/ pieces of cloth.

again, the origin of the slang is from Napkin i think (havent researched)

Icu2
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08-09-2007

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Icu2 a private message Print Post    
I've read a lot (not all) of these posts. Very interesting on everyone's take on prejudice and racism. It kind of goes back to how you've grown up and life experiences. I feel as if people should be judged by their intent behind what they say and their actions.

Going back several posts (Sorry if this has already been said)...I am AA and the word "nappies" means napkin or baby blankey. Now if you turn around and use it in a derogatory term to describe a person or their hair...as in "nappy" then in turns into something completely different. The word "jimmies" I grew up knowing as the rainbow sprinkles for ice cream. We did not call them "sprinkles" until I was an adult and even then they are still known as "jimmies".

The word thing can also reflect where you have grown up. I'm from Pittsburgh and we have a dialect known as "Pittsburgh-ese" (You can google it on the net.) "Jimmies" is one of the words we use among other things such as gum-band (rubber-band) chipped/chipped-chopped ham (deli ham shaved very thin), and pop (soda). When I would ask for "pop" when I moved to NC, people didn't know what I was talking about. When I vacationed in Aruba, we were told not to ask for "pop" because it meant drugs.

Jeff, although he is entitled to his opinion, has a history for spewing questionable views on different subjects, as well as, talking down to some of the women in the house this season and in his first season of BB. If he said "sister/a" to Kalia as in joking around, I don't feel that she was being "hyper-sensitive" about it being offensive. I haven't heard him refer to any the other non-black female house guest as such. Now if he has, THEN I would say there was not an underhanded attempt implied and that she was blowing it out of proportion. I have a few good girlfriends (white) who call me "sista" and mean nothing more than a term of endearment because they would just as soon call a close white, or anyone of any race, the same thing and the motive or intent is not malicious or coming from a place of hatred.

I do take offense to certain words, but I also take into consideration as to who is saying them, why, and how. Those questions can all be the difference in labeling someone.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Cracker is not an issue, because white people have not been widely discriminated against. So there's a BIG difference.


Perhaps not in your neck of the woods, Karuuna, but where I live, discrimination against whites is very much alive and well. Earlier today, I went on our city's website looking for a higher up in city administration. All the city managers and top positions in our city are filled by black men--every last one! To look at the website, you'd wonder if any white folks lived here in this fairly large, densely populated city! Also, every city utility truck you see is manned by black males and females. Never, ever a white. These are very well paying jobs so I don't believe for a minute that no whites apply. Same thing in Miami, if you are not hispanic, you had better move on. So if you continue to insist whites are not discriminated against in the US, <99>. When a whole city fills 95% of it's positions with one color, then that is widespread discrimination IMO. And two wrongs do *not* make it right or make up for the past (!). It only perpetuates the racism.

Southerngirl
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07-28-2008

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Southerngirl a private message Print Post    
Sun,this upsets me to no end. We had a case in Greenville, S.C. where a man tied a pitbull to a cinder block inside a doghouse and then set the doghouse on fire.Fortunately, the dog lived and I believe was adopted. 18 months is not long enough.We lost our 15 year old Boykin Spaniel in April. Loved her soooo much...we never hit/spanked her and she had the sweetest disposition.I just don't understand how people can mistreat an animal.

Icu2
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08-09-2007

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Icu2 a private message Print Post    
@Sunshyne4u I had read that story re: the puppy before. It mad my heart so sad and I felt like I wanted justice to be given out. I am an animal lover/owner and THAT was simply UNACCEPTABLE to say the least. I wish there were stricter punishments regarding crimes against animals.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Holly, I did not say it never happened.

My post clearly says:
White people have not been widely discriminated against.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
white people are very discriminated against in my province.

its wide and encompassing.

from getting Jobs to being served in a restaurant or store depending on area.

BC is over 33% asian. some areas of Vancouver are especially bad. Being blonde and freckled, i've been to places where we wont be served. Sounds like an exaggeration but there have been Human Rights Complaints at a number of places in Richmond especially.

in my local area I went to school with about 50% of minorities (japanese chinese east indian) Same situation, people of colour would be served FIRST in a store/ restaurant. I never got too upset by it because many Old School type immigrants here and i dont think its personal, just cultural.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 1:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Well in the example I just gave of my city, it is widespread when 95% of city jobs are given to blacks.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, I was in Richmond 3 years ago so I know what you are saying is not an exaggeration.
I experienced it myself.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Holly, my point is that discrimination against Blacks in this country has a VERY long history. When were whites in the US slaves? The term cracker is a historical one, as are some of the other terms we spoke of.

On balance, in the US, there is still far more discrimination against people of color than there is against whites. So it is still widespread, even if local examples of other kinds of discrimination exist.

How many black governors are there? How many in Congress? If you're using politics as evidence of "widespread" discrimination, you can't just use one locality.

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
No, I'm using *my* experience and *my* reality; I can't speak for what goes on in other localities. Nor do I know how many blacks wanted/applied for governorships. And because you do not see/experience widespread discrimination where you live, doesn't mean others don't experience it.

It's time to move past what happened hundreds of years ago. The playing field has been well equaled. Opportunity to create a decent life for yourself is there for *anyone* who wants it, as many illegals have proven.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
Yea! Icu2 ! You are from Pittsburgh! Me too! I still live here. Are you a Stiller fan?

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
As long as inner city schools suck (and most of them do), and most people of color live in the inner city, and most of them end up making far less than average - no, the playing field is not "equal."

I certainly see that difference in my town.

Equal opportunity starts with equal education.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
I always cringe a little inside when I see a child named "Dick."

LOL, this reminds me of a favorite Christmas card I got a few years back. On the front was Tiny Tim (Dicken's Christmas Carol boy), propped on his crutches, looking all depressed and dog faced. Inside the card it said, "Tiny Tim could have had it much worse. His name could have been Dick!"


I remember seeing a picture of ED holding a trophy from when he was a child. It was Halloween and his mom dressed as a pencil. He had a very humorous caption about him innocently being so proud that he was Pencil Dick. .

Holly
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07-21-2001

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 2:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
LOL, Biloxibelle.

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
Sun, that man, Brent Connors needs a pych evaluation. Anyone who can do that to an animal needs to be locked up. Next time it will be a human being.

I grew up thinking nappy was used to describe anyone's hair that is knotted and uncombed. It didn't matter the color of their skin, obviously because there were very few if any black families in my community.

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Monday, August 01, 2011 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
I live near a city with a predominantly black, failing school system.
The problem isn't the school system, it's the lack of parental involvment in their children's lives along with lack of a father in the home. This city's graduation rate last year was only 62%. You can't give kids an education when they don't stay in school.