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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 8:44 pm
I guess I don't really understand. If someone's sexuality is not identified they are assumed heterosexual, even if they are not in a relationship. But if they are identified as gay, that's 'sexual content'? I guess I know too many gay people for that thought to even occur to me. I don't identify them as sexual unless they are talking about having sex. The thing for me is that no one assumes Dumbledore is a pedophile and shouldn't be around the young girls in Hogwarts, until he's identified as gay. That's the problem.
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Rieann
Member
08-26-2006
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 8:46 pm
Well said Karuuna.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 10:04 pm
"That doesn't mean I am anti-gay because who people choose to love is not for me to judge." Do straight people "choose" who they fall in love with? I figured they just met someone and if there was an honest and mutual connection, they pursued it, like gay people do. Gay people don't "choose" to be gay and I really don't even know how one can "choose" to fall in love with a particular person...unless a real and special connection is already there. A gay man having a special romantic connection with another gay man happens just like a straight woman having a special romantic connection with a straight man. People don't "choose" to be gay...they choose to either be honest about who they are or to lie and deny who they are. "I feel it is my right and responsibility to determine when and how my child is exposed to adult subjects." If a gay couple is an "adult subject" then so is a straight couple. Both gay and straight relationships are born of romantic love. Calling us an "adult subject" is demeaning because it implies we are all about sex without the component of love and commitment. Gay couples and straight couples are much more alike than many straight people realize...(except for the plumbing)....there is commitment, love, respect, and every other good thing you think of in a straight relationship. We are loving people, too....not just a sex act.
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Southerngirl
Member
07-28-2008
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 10:14 pm
Sanfran, bad choice of words on my part....can't get anything past you I know gay people don't choose to be gay. I should have said I am not going to judge someone gay or straight.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 10:55 pm
kminfinity. while I understand your post, I feel you may have misunderstood/ misread mine. OLD school strict catholic, as in Rosary from the vatican. all i know is what jeff talked about during his season I"m NOT making it up. He also has a crucifix tattoo. By doing so you are doing exactly the same thing as Jeff - making assumptions about a person based on one facet of that person's life. i'm not Fabricating events and concocting Assumptions out of thin air. a quick search of Vatican releases/ website shows their stance. yes there are many different sects, and who knows, maybe Jeff is more into one of those. People were stating concerns/ questions as to WHERE and WHY he would have Developed this opinion that Gays are Perverts and should be kept away from children. I would think he was Obviously raised with it as a core belief. an assumption yes, but based on his personal comments on feeds I dont blame Jeff directly for his opinion. I think many people are victims of their upbringing.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 10:59 pm
as for the word gay, dont forget the GAY 1890s !! he phrase, "The Gay Nineties," was not coined until 1926 During the Roaring 20s, the Music of the gay 90s was noted. I have an old record of the Hits of the GAY 90s. Its funny how the meanings of words change thru the decades. like Pimping and Hos. Those were fightin words when I was in school and now it;s like a compliment
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Grendelsmom
Member
07-31-2005
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:14 pm
I was going to say a day or so ago, and decided not to, but since this thread won't die--being "exposed" to a "gay lifestyle" as a child only had the impact of making me a more open-minded and tolerant person. Since I grew up in a very bigoted culture, and I somehow blessedly did not become infected with that disease, I am rather thankful for that exposure.
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Smokey
Member
07-08-2003
| Monday, July 18, 2011 - 5:47 am
As far as the character in the book, I still agree with Jeff and I am sure most parents agree too. Not this parent! I disagree with that statement completely. I see JK's making Dumbledore be gay as a great teaching tool for kids and a way to see that being gay is not abnormal, but just another aspect of human beings. My cousin, who is also my close friend, is gay. He's been in the same loving relationship with his partner for almost 30 years. His relationship lasted far longer than my marriage did. I just want to say that over the years, on this website, I've read SanFran's posts in discussions like this thread. He is always very kind, very informative, and never have I seen him get reactive or hot-headed. I don't know how he does it because me, not being gay, so many times I feel so reactive <77>. I always appreciate reading SanFran's informative, and enlightening responses, always done in a kind way.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, July 18, 2011 - 10:48 am
Thank so much, you Smokey! All I can do is share my experience of growing up in a world that refused to help me understand who I was during a very difficult and lonely time in my life. Education is the solution when it comes to gay issues and anti-gay attitudes. It's really that simple.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Monday, July 18, 2011 - 12:41 pm
Amen Karuuna. A. Men.
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Alib
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, July 18, 2011 - 2:53 pm
I agree Sanfran ... education is key. I grew up Catholic with a very conservative mother. She was very prejudiced and as we disagreed on many issues I left home at age 16. Several years later, when I was in my mid 20s she started to change her attitude so I returned home and lived with her for several years. Fast forward to my own children. My youngest son is gay and he struggled for most of his teenage years with it. I read everything I could to become educated. The first thing that I realized was that being gay is not a choice ... it is the way that you are born. My son is a thoughtful, intelligent, loving young lad. Both my husband and I support him and love him for who he is. He is one of the kindest people I have ever met. And oh yea, my mother who had spent most of her life not understanding homosexuality became educated and loved and accepted her grandson exactly the way he is. They enjoyed a lovely friendship until she died a couple of years ago. Perhaps Jeff hasn't had the opportunity to know anyone who is gay. His comments seem to be made from not being educated on the matter.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, July 18, 2011 - 3:27 pm
Alib, your son is a very lucky young man!
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Monday, July 18, 2011 - 4:00 pm
As far as the character in the book, I still agree with Jeff and I am sure most parents agree too. I totally agree with those that disagree with this statement. I work in a middle school and I can tell you that most parents don't think like this at all. I find more homophobia on television and on line than I do at work or at home. We have many different social circles and this statement is not how the majority of people think. I guarentee you that most of the homophobes I've ever been in contact with give themselves far more credit than they deserve because I don't know one gay man who would even want to start a relationship with them.
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Tvclubber
Member
06-22-2008
| Friday, July 22, 2011 - 12:06 pm
I often wonder if many homophobes are gay. People are so silly and so destructive toward other people. Decades ago, scientists told me that at least 10% of the population has been gay throughout history. This should tell us all that being gay is being normal, that gayness is the third gender. I've always believed this, even though I am heterosexual.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, July 22, 2011 - 12:25 pm
I admit that I haven't followed this thread all that closely so I hate to speak off track. But who cares if Dumbledore is gay or not? I know my kids have some straight teachers and some gay teachers. They talk about their husbands, wives, partners. Never have I thought any of them would be making any advances towards my kids. None of the teachers would ever talk about their personal sex life... though they may talk about their dinner with their boyfriend, girlfriend, wife or partner. Many of the kids have 2-moms or 2-dads. All these different family relationships are simply woven into the community.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 12:04 pm
It is all starting to make sense to me now. At first I couldn't figure out why Jeff was so against Dom and wanting him out of the house so bad, almost from the very beginning of the game. It was shades of Russel all over again. I get it now, Jeff is attracted to Dom, just like he probably was Russel. His totally off the wall rants against gay people. The almost desperate way he has to get Dom out of the house and Russel before him. Along with his clinging to the long distance, no commitment relationship with someone like Jordan. It is like all the pieces have now fell into place.
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Wendy
Member
07-16-2009
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 12:05 pm
Someone like Jordan?
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 12:09 pm
Yes, loyal, trusting, honestly nice and a bit on the naive side.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 12:13 pm
Biloxibelle says: Yes, loyal, trusting, honestly nice and a bit on the naive side. I thought she was talking about a golden retriever!
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 12:44 pm
That does sound like the Golden Retriever I had. Loved that dog and I still miss him.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 1:20 pm
Decades ago, scientists told me that at least 10% of the population has been gay throughout history. i think you are talking kinsey report and the populations used were not regular population. Instead of giving facts and being jumped on I;ll let people look it up themselves but NO its not ten percent of a population. he ran a swingers club and used to visit prisons for stats. austr. stats =The largest and most thorough survey in Australia to date was conducted by telephone interview with 19,307 respondents between the ages of 16 and 59 in 2001/2002. The study found that 97.4% of men identified as heterosexual, 1.6% as gay and 0.9% as bisexual. For women 97.7% identified as heterosexual, 0.8% as lesbian and 1.4% as bisexual. canada = 2003 A survey of 135,000 Canadians found that 1.0% of the respondents identified themselves as homosexual and 0.7% identified themselves as bisexual. About 1.3% of men considered themselves homosexual, almost twice the proportion of 0.7% among women. **** my point is that it is kind of instyle right now to make it seem like exclusive homosexuality is commonplace, when statistically, its a serious minority. AND i believe minorities should be treated as equal
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Southerngirl
Member
07-28-2008
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 1:23 pm
Jeff..gay...nah, not buying it.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 1:37 pm
Until gay people are no longer being persecuted or discriminated against in any way, any study that is based solely on interviews but without empirical evidence cannot be taken at face value. Many, many people lie about their sexual orientation because admitting their orientation could result in life changing, negative results....and yes, even on "anonymous" surveys. That's the only reason there is still debate on the number of gay people in the general population. We are mostly an invisible minority....unless we choose to become visible. ETA - I've known lots of people that didn't reach their sexual self awareness and come out of the closet until their 40s, 50s, or 60s....so I suppose all of those people would have answered "no" to the gay question had they been asked earlier in their lives.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 1:45 pm
Labeling someone as possibly being an "unaware gay" is to me just plain off the wall. If we should not care if someone is straight or gay, then why do we care about debating whether someone is or not?
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 1:56 pm
I thought she was talking about a golden retriever! Not the direction I was going in but, now that you brought it up, I guess I could add obedient.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 1:58 pm
Labeling someone as possibly being an "unaware gay" is to me just plain off the wall. I don't think Jeff is unaware at all.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 2:13 pm
"His totally off the wall rants against gay people. The almost desperate way he has to get Dom out of the house and Russel before him. Along with his clinging to the long distance, no commitment relationship with someone like Jordan. It is like all the pieces have now fell into place." Well that is making quite a lot of assumptions and leaving out a few facts. Like Russell and Dom both have done and said things that threatened Jordon/Jeff's time in the BB house. What we know, from the people we know and are around, is not at all indicative of the population. For instance.....I am conservative in regards to political fiscal matters and so are most of the people I know, but I am not foolish enough to believe that I can relate that to the population as a whole.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 10:38 pm
I've known lots of people that didn't reach their sexual self awareness and come out of the closet until their 40s, 50s, or 60s. yes and many people go thru periods of their life as gay/ lesbian then fall in love with opposite sex again. i think its fluid for many people and its those people who answer for what stage they are at during the time of the interview solely on interviews but without empirical evidence im not sure what you mean evidence... pictures? videos of them in action? i think all we really have is people's own words and what they share.
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3grands
Member
05-04-2009
| Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 11:20 pm
there is an article about Jeff saying that gay slur in tv guide this week (aug 1 - 14 issue). AG says it was addressed on the internet so they did not have to mention it on the show.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - 12:57 am
"i think all we really have is people's own words and what they share." Exactly! But just having a subject's promise that he or she is telling the truth is not scientific proof of the percentage of gay people in the population....especially when it comes to things like identifying oneself as gay to a stranger in a world that persecutes and discriminates against people for being gay. No one really knows what percentage of the population has been raped or been involved in incest either. A lot people just won't talk about very personal things that they do not want revealed....and if they do talk, they very well may be dishonest in their revelations. "solely on interviews but without empirical evidence" - "im not sure what you mean evidence... pictures? videos of them in action?" MY point was that there is no empirical evidence to prove that the statistics you quoted are accurate.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - 2:04 am
A lot people just won't talk about very personal things i absolutely agree... and the video picture comment was supposed to be a joke. <<< going to look up empirical and see what it means 
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