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Archiecat
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from Wikipedia:


"Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws, with the exception of obscenity, defamation, incitement to riot, and fighting words,[1] as well as harassment, privileged communications, trade secrets, classified material, copyright, patents, military conduct, commercial speech such as advertising, and time, place and manner restrictions."

Jimmer
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People are always getting confused about the right to free speech. Questioning what someone like Jeff says isn't infringing on his right to say it.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

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I agree with Kswheels. The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech from government intervention.

Archiecat
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That is my interpretation too, Jimmer. The "questioner" has the same right.

Sunshyne4u
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Rowling did not explicitly state whether Grindelwald returned his affections

interestingly, this sentence struck me. DOes it MATTER if affections were returned? Does it make a person 'less gay' if they are a virgin, celibate or Choose to be monogamous (sp)?

i say not but in society, people like to label. From what I understand about some Churches, they are very accepting of Gay/ lesbians but insist that the person should refrain from that 'behaviour' and Choose Celibacy.

Interestingly then, the correlation could be made that it isnt that society is Anti GAY, its the perceived "sexualized behaviour" is what gets people's panties in a knot ((can i say that here>?))

so until there is understanding that its NOT about sexualized behaviour, there wont be acceptance. However, Gay PRide parades with Bumless pants and Men walking in gstrings with pasties does more damage to the cause, then debate about a movie in which a fictional character is gay.

Sanfranjoshfan
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"However, Gay PRide parades with Bumless pants and Men walking in gstrings with pasties does more damage to the cause"

And at Mardis Gras you see hundreds of straight women baring their breasts for trinkets from drunken, leering male strangers....should we use that as an example to judge the straight community?

"Gentlemen's clubs", a 50% divorce rate, more and more children born out of wedlock every year, and the social acceptance of "players" that have multiple indiscriminate one night stands demonstrate that the straight community can't honestly claim the moral high ground and then judge the sexual attitudes of everyone else.

Both gay and straight cultures have a very wide range of attitudes and behavior that go from uptight virgins to promiscuous people that would sleep with almost anybody. Judging me on the basis of some naked person at a pride parade is as honest as me judging a responsible soccer mom based on the actions of a drunken topless women at Mardis Gras. I would never do that.

I've never gone to the pride parade in buttless chaps or pasties and I'd bet that most of the straight folks here probably don't dance in, or hang out in strip clubs or show their boobs to any leering man with a handful of cheap beads.

Gay people and straight people are much more alike than they are different.

Karuuna
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SanFran, I agree. I don't know why people judge all gays by some folks in gay pride parades, if we don't judge all heterosexuals by swingers' clubs and Burning Man...

Dogdoc
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or all Christians as Fundamentalists.

Sunshyne4u
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nothing to do with Judging of Gay or Straight behaviour.

does more damage to the cause , then debate about a movie in which a fictional character is gay

IF my post is to be addressed, that is the clear point made. ^^^^



Judging me on the basis of some naked person at a pride parade

Never said a WORD about you or judging , was talking specifically about sexualized bordering on obscene outfits during pride parades. Something i recall clearly that you admitted years ago was damaging to how people perceive 'gays'.

Mardi gras could be considered a good example if it was labelled as a heterosexual hedonistic event worldwide not just in one town. Also, i wasnt aware people bring their children to mardi gras to get Rip snorting drunk and show their boobs. I always thought it wasnt considered a family friendly event. Either way, red herring. Has nothing to do with Dumbledore

Now how the heck did that post about Dumbledore end up being taken personally??

SOME churches, i said btw. Didnt differentiate.


Sunshyne4u
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and of course I reread and see that people will confused that its MY personal opinions i'm voicing.

HERE is the focus of my post society is Anti GAY, its the perceived "sexualized behaviour" is what gets people's panties in a knot

society/ the general public

NOT ME! i am not writing MY opinion, i'm writing my theories of why SOCIETY would think that way. arggghhhhh

Sanfranjoshfan
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"HERE is the focus of my post society is Anti GAY, its the perceived "sexualized behaviour" is what gets people's panties in a knot

society/ the general public"


Thank you....that was very clear.

Speaking for myself (and not society as a whole) I think society needs to stop judging all gay individuals based on some negative gay stereotypes that do NOT represent the gay community as a whole.

I am just presenting the issue based on my personal experience of being unjustly discriminated against and vilified for my entire life.

The "social norm", when it comes to gay issues, is that gay people don't deserve equal rights or respect. That "social norm" is cruel, hostile, and unamerican according to the promises of equality made in the US Constitution. I believe that "social norm" needs to change, so I do my part by trying to help people understand the issues we face on a daily basis.

"Something i recall clearly that you admitted years ago was damaging to how people perceive 'gays'."

I'm sorry but I never said that.....some others have made that claim over the years here at TVCH, but I disagreed with them.

"Now how the heck did that post about Dumbledore end up being taken personally??"

Any remark that falsely stereotypes gay people such as an angry remark saying "a gay man" should never be in charge of a school or camp (even a fictional one) is besmirching the integrity of, and casting unwarranted suspicion on ALL gay people, including me.

Here's a perfect REAL LIFE example of why I take such stereotypical, anti-gay remarks personally:

Fired for Being Gay Legal in 28 States

http://www.suite101.com/content/fired-for-being-gay-still-legit-in-28-states-a153800#ixzz1SDiMGDHQ

Rieann
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I Sanfranjoshfan.

Sunshyne4u
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i meant MY post that created the response. not Jeff's comment

That "social norm" is cruel, hostile, and unamerican according to the promises of equality made in the US Constitution

agreed and I said something very similar a page or so ago, but it doesnt have the same punch coming from me.

"Something i recall clearly that you admitted years ago was damaging to how people perceive 'gays'."

I'm sorry but I never said that.....some others have made that claim over the years here at TVCH, but I disagreed with them.


i am not digging thru my saved convos so I'll bow to your recall of Gay Rights thread from Four or five years ago. indeed, it may have been someone else, my Eidetic memory sometimes does fail me.

Teacuppy
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It is a hard life to live! I think we need to get back to free love and life! Who cares if your gay straight or etc. It is all about did you love and are you lovable?

Luvbbplayers
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And why does everyone have to openly brag about their sex stuff anyway? Straight or gay!

Kreno
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I'm a stud both gay and straight...lol

Sanfranjoshfan
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"And why does everyone have to openly brag about their sex stuff anyway? Straight or gay!"

I don't understand......who is openly bragging about "sex stuff"?

Sunshyne4u
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i think luvsBB comment was about SOCIETY in general, not about anyone's posts in this thread


Kreno LOL

Slugger
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And why does everyone have to openly brag about their sex stuff anyway? Straight or gay!

Every time a hetersexual talks about their, wife, husband, kids etc. They are announcing their sexuality.

Biloxibelle
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Looks like this isn't going to be over for Jeff anytime soon.

GLAAD and CBS

I imagine like Amber before him, this will be the last time we see Jeff on CBS. Such a shame.

Kminfinity
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Does anyone have a link to whatever Jeff said during his previous season?

Kappy
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Kminfinity ~ I just remember thinking that some of Jeff's comments in his first season were pretty ignorant at the beginning (borderline racist/sexist). Then he became a favorite and stopped saying them - perhaps coaching from the DR?

Naja
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Kminfity, the videos have been deleted, but this page has it typed out the comments Jeff said in season 11. They were mostly toward Russell.

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/big_brother_11/2009_Jul_14_jeff_gay_slurs

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Shenanagon
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hehe police mod's are here Oohhhhh

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