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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 12:05 pm
There are so many posts about this in Important/Entertaining House Happenings (Discussion) that I think it warrants its own thread. I'll move the existing posts over here.
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Marameko
Member
07-15-2002
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 10:54 am
Excellent !!Thanks for the update Mame.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 10:55 am
How do we know that Jeff apologized to Kalia? (Which honestly I think is less meaningful, given his comments about her just saying stuff to be politically correct.)
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Dawn
Member
07-24-2009
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 11:01 am
i think we all know jeff isn't the smartest person in the world.. and not that i'm saying that what jeff said is ok...cause it's not... but i'm sort of hoping he was just confused in his thoughts and wasn't really thinking about what was coming out of his mouth. and about him getting 'mad' at kahlia. even jordan said he wasn't mad, it's just how jeff is, when he gets into a debate he gets very loud and excited. technotronics anyone?
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Missyb
Member
07-28-2004
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 11:01 am
While Jeff was making dinner for the Have Nots, Brendon came up and asked him about it. Later, Kalia told Lawon that Jeff apologized.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 11:04 am
Jimmer I read it in another thread. I think it was posted by Angelicfaeries. Also glad that Missyb confirmed it. 
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 11:04 am
I love Jeff but I am very disappointed in his very ignorant comments. Does make me like him less.
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Biloxibelle
Member
12-21-2001
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 11:29 am
Didn't he also tell Brendon to talk to Kalia, they needed her vote? I wish I could believe his apology was sincere, but I don't. He was too quick and too adamant about his stance last night.
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Bbwatcher
Member
09-12-2008
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 11:39 am
Is Kalia gay? Shouldn't he apologize to Lawon?
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 12:16 pm
I think I read that her SISTER is gay.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 12:17 pm
Kalia's sister is gay and I think it really offended her. My son who is 12 is transgender and even though he is not gay he & I both believe in equal rights for all. This is very upsetting to me as I know many people hold very ignorant views about people who are transgender as well as if it's deviant. Whether you are gay, straight, bi, transgender or purple noone deserves to have hurtful misconcieved notions made about them. I won't look at Jeff the same I do NOT think his apology was sincere at all. He has made ignorant comments before against gay people. So I guess we know his true feelings. Sad.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 12:27 pm
something I see missing from the discussion is Jeff's specified religion and how into it he was. Strong old school catholic, if i recall correctly from his first season. to jump up defending Jeff because he may have been molested doesnt make sense to me because of the statistics. (50% boys 75% girls) If those stats are correct, everyone should be worried about their kids around ANY sexual person who could exploit them. i personally believe that kids that are raised with Homophobia will cling to that "core belief" as adults. If its mixed up with their religious beliefs, i think the response to even the concept of 'gay' becomes almost a visceral response. Jeff went hostile so fast, i found it alarming. OH and thx for the clarification Roxip. I dislike it when people post stuff as "christian" thinking and you clearly wrote "fundamentalist". For indeed homophobia and hatred ISNT christian thinking, which preaches tolerance and free choice. It seems its the old school type sects that are the problem
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 12:58 pm
BB12 Ragan's take on Jeff's rant. Thank you, Ragan http://ragan.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/my-reaction-to-jeffs-homophobic-rant/
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 12:59 pm
I thought Jeff said something about feeling "cornered" during that conversation...and maybe his alarming hostile response was more defensive reaction than hatred... I still don't see him as a "bad" person or as a hater... I see him as a flawed human being...just like me!! Who's to say that given the opportunity Jeff wouldn't be willing to see that he was wrong? I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt...
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:13 pm
Before I "dislike" Jeff for this one incident, I must compare it to how many other politically incorrect remarks and situations have been made by other houseguests that I "like" or "dislike." For example, ignorance, if that is what it is.... keeps showing up when they discuss dialects and habits of southerners (me). I think most of the time they are just "painting with a too broad brush." Surely some of the hamster-watchers from other parts of the country have felt this, too. I still love me some Jeff...even when he is bad.
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Closetfanfour
Member
07-11-2009
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:13 pm
Thanks for posting Ragan's comments. Very well said.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:13 pm
But Kep421 he had used gay slurs during his original season and was blasted for it. If he didn't learn then, he certainly won't learn now.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:23 pm
Archiecat You make very good points. My niece is gay so whenever I hear ANYTHING even REMOTELY suggesting that gay people shouldn't be able to do 100% of the things heteros get to do, I just lose it. I really need to check myself on those reactions.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:27 pm
Ragan's comments were dead on. I liked the end and will now be done with fretting over Jeff, lol Before people grab pitchforks, give Jeff an opportunity to defend himself. I think Jeff is a guy with a few f’d-up thoughts about gay men and women but is, at his core, a good, friendly guy. Everyone, breathe. Jeff is not the problem. The cultural institutions that inform his mindset are what we should fear and fight.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:28 pm
Thanks Bonza! Excellent blog by Ragan.
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Hypermom
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:31 pm
CBS responds to homophobic comments made in 'Big Brother' house http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/07/13/jeff-schroeder-big-brother/
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:32 pm
"I thought Jeff said something about feeling "cornered" during that conversation...and maybe his alarming hostile response was more defensive reaction than hatred..." I don't think anyone here has said Jeff spoke out of "hatred"....just ignorance. There have been many times when I have stood up to ignorance and homophobia and the people that made the homophobic remarks got very defensive and felt "cornered", but that was because they had no actual facts to back up the homophobic statements they were trying to defend. Jeff said that Dumbledorf (sp?) "showed no gay tendencies" but the fact is, many, many gay men have NO stereotypical "gay tendencies"....they appear no more gay than Jeff does. "Who's to say that given the opportunity Jeff wouldn't be willing to see that he was wrong? " I think his discussion with Kalia was the perfect "opportunity" to discuss his feelings and to come to a better understanding of the issue. The problem was... Jeff ignored that opportunity and became angry, even accusing Kalia of just being "PC" because she was on television instead of actually discussing why he was implying that gay men cannot be trusted around children. To add a little context to my reaction....I knew Jeff had used the f-word referring to gay people during his first time in the BB house, but I gave him a pass. (Of course, I don't remember seeing video of him using that slur so I couldn't make a clear judgment about it because I never saw/heard his remarks in context). This time I saw the video and that video makes it a lot more clear than the transcript that Jeff was actually angry when Kalia said she didn't understand what he meant when he said what he did. Anyhow, I have always been a HUGE fan of JJ since 2009 but this just makes me look at Jeff in a new light....it's clear that he harbors negative feelings towards gay men for some reason. When one sees ignorance and homophobia raise its ugly head, one needs to stand up and openly address it every time. If we don't, nothing will never change.
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Nerovh
Member
06-12-2005
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:33 pm
A "lot of Christians" happen to like and enjoy Harry Potter, as well. It's no more fair to generalize about all Christians than to generalize about any other group. I am a Christian, and my "thinking" is nothing like that of the fundamentalists who would ban the books.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:33 pm
I am very conflicted on this (and particularly conflicted on posting it because I don't want hate rained down upon me). I wouldn't send my daughter to a camp with male counselors. Why? Because I have been on extended camping trips with male counselors, and they were banging the beejezus out of a few of the female campers (we were teenagers at the time). These were Catholic church sponsored trips, mind you, and the counselors were non-clergy. Based on that, I wouldn't want my child with a counselor who expresses a preference for their sex. I wouldn't put a male child with a heterosexual female counselor, for example. And I wouldn't put a male child with a male homosexual counselor, although placing him with a female homosexual counselor would be fine. Just my opinion based on experience. And for the record, I have been around homosexuals my entire life (my mother is in theater). I was raised without any awareness of a difference between them and us, and was very surprised to learn when I was in my twenties that some of my parents' best friends were gay. Made no difference, never did. In fact my father, a Command Sergeant Major in the Army, is the one who told me about this. He was driving me back and forth to my LSAT classes and I had for some reason or another expressed an amazement that I didn't know any gay people. He chuckled and filled me in. Gave me a whole different view of my father because, given his military experience, and times being what they were, you would think he would be the FIRST person you would expect to harbor a prejudice against homosexuals. He didn't care, probably in part because he knew they weren't going to hit on his wife. He had a BIG problem with her heterosexual male leads. Does my opinion on the subject mean that I think homosexuals are child molesters? No it doesn't. But it would provide me with some small assurance that my child isn't within the range of sexual preferences for the counselors. There are times I'm glad I have no children and don't have to make these kind of judgment calls.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:38 pm
I didn't watch Jeff's rant live on the feeds but I watched the link to his rant and frankly I'm so very disappointed. I loved Jeff as a hamster but at this point I'm over him. I don't tolerate bigoted statements, inferring that somehow being a gay teacher would sully a child. Shame on him. I'm thinking Jordon can do much better.
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