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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 6:19 pm
Thanks Kappy and Naja. I didn't remember that. That really puts a nastier spin on more recent comments.
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Whiplash
Member
03-29-2011
| Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 9:57 pm
Just so you know...I saw the latest HP movie yesterday. There was a scene where Harry was talking to Dumbledore. They both seemed to be just fine.

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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 10:39 pm
I learned more than I ever wanted to know about Harry Potter in this thread.
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Ksmom
Member
06-15-2010
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 1:56 am
I have stayed out of this conversation but it seems to be like the song that never ends. Mom of 3 here, one of who is gay, one who is bi and the other is a virgin. I am a member of a church and a Scout Leader. Raised in the Midwest but spent years on the coast. IMHO I think Jeff needs to be educated and we all need to move on and those(including me) that were offended need to be proactive in our personal life against the stereotypes that seem to prevail instead of beating a dead horse.
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 2:02 am
Ksmom - What part of Kansas? (I know, off topic, but like you said, it's a dead horse.)
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Ksmom
Member
06-15-2010
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 4:19 am
Southeast of KC about an hour and you?? And by the way it is hotter than heck here.
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 4:40 am
Wichita. Hot here too.
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 4:53 am
California, and it's cold as heck. I used to get mad too when I'd hear such ugly words coming from homophobics. Once I realized that the words coming from some people were not so much cruel, but more out of fear I changed the way I spoke to them. Those who came around I kept in my life, those who wouldn't or couldn't for some reason I left behind. I'm much happier now. Maybe all of this heat on him will force Jeff to evaluate WHY he has such hostile feelings and maybe he will become an advocate for the rights of all people....one can hope can't they?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 10:23 am
Serious question. Why would someone be afraid of a gay person? It's not like someone like Jeff has limited experience. Jeff has met and lived with gay people. Why do some people (i.e. Jeff) appear to think negatively about gay people?
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 10:55 am
It's a hard question to answer, isn't it? Mostly it goes to how we are ingrained by our environment, peer group, society and family. It's an emotional reaction, not a logical one; altho often twisted logic is used to justify the emotional stomach twisting. I've had such a battle with my DS, to not use f-word term for gays when he's mad at someone. But it's an uphill battle. Almost everyone in his peer group does. Yet, he's never had any rational reason to dislike gays, and he knows some of them in his school, and is fine with them. Yet I also know it stings him when someone uses it toward him. And still, he uses it. I suppose since it hurts him, at a gut level he knows it will hurt someone else. And no matter how much we talk about it, it still doesn't register to him that by using it as a derogatory term, he dishonors a lot of nice gay people.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:04 am
for the third time, jeff was raised strong strict catholic. http://www.catholic.com/library/Homosexuality.asp homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law that is why he gets so furious and angry.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:12 am
It is not just in the United States. Years years ago my niece and her husband attended the funeral of his cousin. The cousin was murdered because he was gay. He was 20 years old. This was in Salvador My niece had a boyfriend in high school that she really liked. She had a party at her house. The boyfriend walked in and saw a classmate there and said to my niece "You have to make him leave, he can't be here,he is gay." This was in Honduras.She found a new boyfriend and kept her gay friend. I would think that fear/hatred would have to have been taught when it is felt in young people. (South Pacific: "You have to be taught to be afraid...)
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:17 am
Oh I agree it's not just in the United States. I have a friend from Jamaica and he says it is worse there. Jeff may have been raised a Catholic but that still doesn't explain why he would choose to follow that particular "teaching" and not other Catholic teachings.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:22 am
Excuse me, but I was raised strict catholic too. And I would, even when younger and more ignorant, never say anything or act anything like Jeff did.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:23 am
And the catholic church does not teach or encourage to say mean things about those who are gay.
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Earthmother
Member
07-13-2002
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:24 am
A lot of people are raised Catholic and they are not homophobic. That is not an excuse. Jeff appears to be a good ole' boy and they usually have to be educated. Not to mention some people watch certain stations or listen to characters on the radio who continually make homophobic remarks...so are all the listeners homophobic?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:24 am
That is pretty much my point, Julie.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:27 am
No it doesn't make the listeners homophobic unless that is their central reason for listening to the radio station and they agree with the characters.
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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:28 am
Sunshyne, I have ignored your post referencing Catholics twice now, but third time's a charm. I was raised Catholic too. Catholics (especially American Catholics) are notorious for their 'cafeteria style' approach to church teaching. Unless I hear that Jeff was in a seminary, or a member of Opus Dei, we should refrain from making assumptions* about how one's religious faith predicts his or her anti-gay bias. By doing so you are doing exactly the same thing as Jeff - making assumptions about a person based on one facet of that person's life. In addition, let me say that I know a GREAT many practicing Catholics who are tolerant, respectful, and kindly towards those with different values and lifestyles. http://www.dignityusa.org/ http://news.change.org/stories/yes-you-can-be-catholic-and-support-gay-rights http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-p-jones-phd/catholics-same-sex-marriage_b_898687.html From a recent Qinnipiac poll: In fact, rank-and-file Catholics are generally more supportive of legal recognitions of same-sex relationships than Americans overall. A May 2011 survey by Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) found 56 percent of Catholics favor allowing gay and lesbian people to marry, compared to 51 percent in the general population. I'll stop now. *(and even then...)
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 11:53 am
Since Jeff's church teaches that premarital sex is a sin, who's he to be pointing the finger at anyone else? After all, couldn't someone call him an <77> fornicator? Also, I know lots and lots of Roman Catholics who are not homophobes.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 12:05 pm
Kar, years ago I told Dylan it's like using the N word. We dont use that word in our home and we wont use the F word either. They are words that hurt. My ongoing battle is the phrase 'that's gay' Admittedly I used the phrase growing up as most of my peers did, even my gay friends did. I have stopped myself from saying it but even 30 yrs later kids still use it. I think because it doesnt feel like you are being cruel to a person by saying it. I have explained that its like saying being gay is dumb. He has gotten better but I will hear him slip sometimes. I NEVER hear him say the F word so I guess it's progress. I will continue to be part of the movement to stop the phrase 'thats gay'. I love the commercial with the actress explaining to the girls in the dress shop
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Mamajenn
Member
07-07-2011
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 1:04 pm
I have not read this entire thread, but I did see the scene, and IMHO Jeff was simply saying why would one address ANY ONES sexuality in a children's book like Harry Potter? He did NOT say one negative thing about being gay, he simply said, why would you address sexuality regarding a school administrator. There is no reason to even comment on the sexuality of any of the authority figures in Harry Potter. It is ridiculous, it is not on topic. That is all I think Jeff was saying.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 1:20 pm
No one expects sex scenes in a children's book. However, being gay isn't all about sex anymore than Ron's Mom and Dad's marriage (which they talked about in the book) was all about sex. Mr. and Mrs. Weasley's marriage was a part of the book.
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Wendy
Member
07-16-2009
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 1:24 pm
I agree Mama, however he is horrible at expressing himself so it came out in the most offensive way possible.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 1:26 pm
Puzzled made my point. Jeff may have been raised Catholic... but I don't believe that he is so strict in his following. I don't know the of his sex life with Jordan, but I doubt they practice abstinence. Didn't he tell her that they were going to "do it" when they got out of the house last time?
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