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Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i've added a link in flashbacks. Jeff kinda stepped in it this evening. I think he may have just lost a fair number of fans

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 7:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Sun, what did Jeff do?

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 7:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
Mame, he made a very homophobic rant when Kalia told him that JK Rowling intended DUmbledorf ( Harry Potter series) to be gay. He yelled that there would never be a gay headmaster, where parents sent their children, in a children's book. Kalia was saying there was nothing wrong with a gay headmaster and he screamed at her that she was giving a politically correct answer for television and he didn't agree with it.

Jenjackso
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02-10-2009

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jenjackso a private message Print Post    
Jeff will be fine. Are we that thin skinned that we don't know that we have to immediately shun people who hold different opinions? Jeff has not displayed homophobia before and Kalia does not seem to be harboring any ill will. Just to put it in perspective they are talking about a FICTIONAL character and Brendon is the one who said, "Let me feel your balls."

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 11:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Jeff has not displayed homophobia before

yep he has. during his season with Kevin plus calling people fggs as an insult during that season.

and yes, i relistened to the rant again and you can see Brendan move his hands when you hear Harry potter let me feel your balls.

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 12:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
Jeff and Kalia did speak ( not seen on feeds) but Jeff told Brendon while he was cooking dinner for the have nots.

He mentioned something about being painted into a corner by her when they started to argue.

He doesn't have anything against "gays" doing anything. They can run a camp. Then let it drop.

This was about 11:25pm

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 12:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
"Are we that thin skinned that we don't know that we have to immediately shun people who hold different opinions?"

It's not just being "thin skinned" when someone's opinion is both ignorant and harmful to others....implying that no gay man should be trusted around children is perpetrating homophobic stereotypes. That kind of misinformation has caused a great deal of damage to innocent gay people and it's born of ignorance, not fact.

Yeah, he dropped a notch or two in my opinion of him.

Jadajean
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03-23-2008

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jadajean a private message Print Post    
Ditto saffron - I let him slide in his season but Jeff is definitely homophobic. Makes me wonder about his views on a lot of other things. My fondness for him went down somewhat also.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
Just wanted to add - Yes, they were talking about a "FICTIONAL" character, but Jeff's anger at the idea of even a fictional gay headmaster working with children was all too real.

Also, the fact that he said Kalia was just trying to give a "PC" response because she was on TV makes me wonder if he was just trying to be "PC" when he said that he doesn't have anything against gays doing anything and that "they can run a camp" before he let it drop.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
he doesn't have anything against gays doing anything and that "they can run a camp" before he let it drop.

and that was said quite a while later AFTER the Diary room got done with him.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 4:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I agree with JenJackso. Having a unpopular opinion or belief doesn't immediately make Jeff a hateful person. I don't know Jeff's life experiences, so I don't know where these feelings come from.

I always thought that the best way to promote tolerance of opposing opinions is to be willing to show tolerance myself. I usually find that by showing tolerance of someone's opinion, they are more willing to listen to mine. JMHO

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 5:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=20jk749&s=7

Here is the clip RE: Jeff and Khalia. Jeff officially disgusts me. I can never look at him the same way again. I never thought he was that smart, but I didn't realize he was that ignorant either.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 5:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
I dont know how 'gay' could translate into 'pedophile' but some people have that fear.

It shows a lack of respect and understanding.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 5:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Jeff promoted an incredibly nasty and ignorant stereotype of gay people. I like many things about Jeff so this was very disappointing to me. It doesn't make Jeff a horrible person as he has many good qualities but it is tough to get past.

Emm119
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07-12-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 6:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Emm119 a private message Print Post    
I just read the conversation (I did not watch the clip so do not know how Jeff made his comment), but I do want to add my two cents. They are trying to ban the Potter books now - can you imagine if the Headmaster was gay? IRL, people are always looking for a reason to do something/anything. I like Jeff, before his comment and after. He made a comment about a book that unfortunately a lot of people believe in real life. The people I worry about are the one's that make no comment at all.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 6:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL - I guess I was sitting here with a pretty strange expression on my face because my DD asked me if I was okay and said I looked disgusted. Ban Harry Potter? It's fiction and the heroes are incredibly wholesome. Yes I know there is magic but it is fiction!

I'm still shocked that Jeff would react that way. He must know quite a few gay people. Surely he must realize how insulting and hurtful his comments would be to them. And it's not just the comments. It's the way he said it.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 6:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
As much as Kalia gets on my last nerve she was trying to have a reasonable conversation with Jeff who displayed some very ignorant, and uninformed beliefs. And to think that they were discussing a fiction book makes it all the more incredible.

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 7:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
Jimmer a lot of Christians want to have it banned because it promotes witchcraft and Christians are VERY against that. Christian thinking tends to baffle me.

The part that makes me mad is he had the nerve to be mad at Kalia as if SHE was saying something wrong, HUH?!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
They've been trying to ban Harry Potter books since they first started coming back...I remember a long discussion about it (especially when the first movie came out) because a lot of fundamentalist Christians were disturbed by the fact that they were witches and our children were so obsessed by these books. Personally I could care less...I'm a Christian but I also grew up watching Dark Shadows...just because I was obsessed by vampires (still to this day have to make sure my closet door is closed and there are covers pulled up around my neck...LOL) didn't mean I truly believed in them...LOL!

Jarreau
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03-01-2008

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jarreau a private message Print Post    
Roxip - I have a painting of Barnabus Collins hanging in my bathroom!!!!!

Tolerance on all levels is what we should strive for. Tolerance for those that agree with us and those that disagree with us. Kalia and Jeff seemed to moved beyond this as I think we should - IMHO

Christiii
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 7:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Christiii a private message Print Post    
They are filming a Dark Shadows movie right now.... Johnny Depp and Barnabus, and Tim Burton directing...
I can't wait!!

Oliviamimi
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05-30-2009

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oliviamimi a private message Print Post    
Rox I so agree! I loved Dark shadows. I have no clue why this country seems so non tolerant. If a person doesn't agree with your religion or politics you are condemned and called horrible names. BTW the best teacher my children ever had was an openly gay man. On the same note the best teacher my granddaughter had in preschool was a gay couple who co-taught. I have no clue why people are afraid of gay teachers.

Bbwatcher
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09-12-2008

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbwatcher a private message Print Post    
Oddly, I have seen the same thing happen in elementary schools where there are male teachers. Some of them aren't even gay, but some parents fear their child being in their class. It's crazy!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
How would you like it if someone told you that you couldn't be trusted around children when you have done absolutely nothing wrong? That is what Jeff is saying about everyone who is gay. It's not a matter of tolerating that sort of thinking. It must be incredibly hurtful. As far as Kalia moving on, she is playing a game and she may not want discuss it further for that reason. It obviously hurt her though because she did try to discuss it.

Anyway, like anything, we'll all move on at some point or other but it won't be forgotten by people who care about this.

Oh and it isn't like I suddenly "hate" Jeff. I recognize he has other good qualities that make him a generally likeable person.

Bbwatcher
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09-12-2008

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbwatcher a private message Print Post    
I have found alot of these comments are out of stupidity...not always hate. Some people were raised with this mentality and do not see past that. It is up to people like us to inform them!

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 8:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Well I hope someone in the diary room informs Jeff of his stupidity in that conversation. I like Jeff but this is making me pause about how much I like him.

Darrellh
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07-21-2004

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darrellh a private message Print Post    
Jeff is being lambasted on several other sites.

Karuuna
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
We also don't know if Jeff has something in his history that would make him react emotionally to something like this, rather than rationally. That also happens frequently.

My best friend's husband, who is quite liberal in other areas, once just went off on me about this very issue. It was at the time that the boy scouts were having some issues with a troup leader who had molested several young boys while on a camping trip. (many years ago).

After being completely bewildered about his ranting, it turns out he was molested by a pedophile when he was a kid, and had never talked to anyone about it. Took some time, but he eventually understood that it wasn't about gay, it was about pedophile.

The point is, we don't know why Jeff feels this way, and while he is wrong, sometimes our emotions can make us a little crazy.

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
I agree Jimmer.

This is real close to what happened to Amber and her Jewish comments. I realize Amber was not even remotely as well liked as Jeff so she wasn't offered much understanding or compassion on why she would say or think such a thing. People will remember and recount this the way the want it to be.

I do think Jeff is going to feel some fallout from this.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
very well said Karuuna, I'm going to hold off on lowering my opinion about Jeff because other than that conversation, I really admire Jeff.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
ITA Denecee and Kar. Like Jimmer, I'm also very disappointed.

But I totally empathise with those who feel personally offended, as I went through this when there was an unabashedly antisemitic gal on this show, not long ago (Amber? Can't remember her name.) And like many of you, I find it most disappointing, because of the very fact that it's Jeff who said it. Our angel evidently has VERY clay feet. Especially not too nice of him, when one of the other players, Lawon (sp) IS gay.

But since Kalia has moved on... and I think Jeff is basically a good-hearted fellow, I'm still quite fond of him. I do believe he is smart enough to be openminded and learn and grow. At least I sure hope so! Maybe during his time in the house with Kalia & Lawon he'll begin to see the error of his ways.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 10:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Just read that Jeff apologized to Kalia. I am VERY happy about that.