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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Thursday, July 21, 2011 - 1:22 pm
If we're voyerists, shame on them for letting us be. I sure didn't hold a gun to their head to replay another season. In fact, makes me want to hold the gun to my own head. lol
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Thursday, July 21, 2011 - 1:29 pm
Your point about them moving is something I went through. My boyfriend and I saw each other every few months for a few months for 2 years because he works for the defense department and they move him around every few months to different shipyards. It sucked but we'd make every 3 to 5 week visit I got with him worth it. Eventually he was able to transfer and get work in SF near my home. The point of sharing my story is that I think mature people don't just move because they love someone they plan, they make sure it will be a good financial decision. I believe Jeff and Jordan are planning to continue dating and they see each other without disrupting their jobs and families. They may continue to date. But Rachel leaving her job to live with Brendan is making them both miserable and wasn't a well thought out decision IMO.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Thursday, July 21, 2011 - 1:32 pm
I am referring to viewers that watch just for showmances. Viewers that could care less that a game is being played. Viewers that live vicariously through reality TV "stars". I hated this twist but I'm dealing. The game so far is meh but I'm dealing. I just can't stand it when peeps complain that J/J are not giving us enough action when bleck, Brendon and Rachel give us way too much.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Thursday, July 21, 2011 - 1:39 pm
Ah, Caprica, I see your point and believe you me, the less I see of the retreads, the better hence my own MEH with this season.
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Tvclubber
Member
06-22-2008
| Friday, July 22, 2011 - 11:51 am
<<I don't think that Rachel emasculates Brendon. He accuses her of doing so when ever she tries to stand up to him after a severe beratement. He is verbally abusive to her as well as controlling.I have watched this behavior on the feeds for two years and I hope that one of her friends watches the feeds and helps her get away from him before it is to late.>> Spot on! When I saw Brendon dictate cosmetic-surgery protocols to Rachel (on a TV episode), I remembered things that were said about his controlling behavior last-time around.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 3:57 am
So...I don't have the feeds or watch the show, but I read the comments and captions here often. (Used to be a big BB head, now I try to maintain some distance, lol.) This might be an unpopular opinion, but just based on how the two couples interact, I think Brendan and Rachel have more of an emotional connection than Jeff and Jordan. I'm not sure I see them going the distance. Mind you, Brenchel might not go the distance either. But they seem more in love. I wouldn't want the casualness of JeJo's relationship. Seems too much like buddies. This is also not to say that I find Brenchel more mature--from all accounts they seem pretty loaded with personality flaws, lol. But I don't doubt they love each other. I think Jeff is too emotionally distant with Jordan and has deeper commitment issues. Just an opinion from a distant observer. 
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 5:09 am
Nyheat-I agree 100% That is what I have been saying all along.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 6:05 am
Nyheat, I see the exact "emotional connection" with Brendan and Rachel that you do. Only I see the emotional part a little differently. Having an emotional connection is a healthy part of a relationship, but not ALL emotional connections are healthy. Sometimes they can become confining and controlling...and actually make you miserable in the end. Example: Hubby loves to cuddle with wifey when he goes to bed...so much so, that he cannot sleep unless she is right there beside him. Aw...that's sweet on the surface...but what if wifey doesn't want to go to bed? Suddenly, wifey is posed with a dilemna. Does she stay up to watch her show, finish her puzzle, etc. and go to bed when she's ready? Or does being willing to do anything for hubby mean she should immediately drop everything and hit the sheets to fulfill her hubby's "emotional connection"? Being "everything" to another person puts a lot of responsibility on that person. That person basically becomes responsible for the other's happiness and making everything in their life "perfect". Since life is never always happy and perfect, the responsible person is being set up to fail... and sometimes that failure can be spectacular. I personally do not think its fair or even a kind thing to do to someone you love. Rachel and Brendan are constantly telling each other how much each means to the other, but I've never seen them simply cuddle and talk about love when things are going their way. When everything is going to "plan" Brendan/Rachel are usually talking about other people and how Bren/Rach are better than the person being talked about. The only time I see them verbally profess undying love and how much they mean to each other, is when one of them is melting down and needs the "emotional connection". It seems to me that Bren/Rach don't have enough self esteem to validate themselves when their world goes awry, so they require the other person to provide them with a positive view of themselves. For me, that's not love...that is passive aggressive manipulation. When couples profess verbal love for each other, I see that as a wonderful thing...but not when its said with confining restrictions. "You mean the world to me"...is a lot different than "You ARE the world to me", and they have very different meanings and expectations for the person being loved. JMHO
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 6:42 am
@Kep: BRAVO! Excellent post, hit the nail on the head with Brenchel, and we saw this exact thing play out yesterday.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 7:15 am
Yeah, what Kep said.
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Maineiac
Member
08-24-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 7:19 am
Kep, what Rosem said. Excellet post! That is exactly what I see with Brenchel. Their relationhip as very unhealthy. They're both very insecure and immature. JJ is very comfortable and secure with themselves and with each other. As far as PDA, I would be acting the same way as JJ if I knew there were cameras on me 24/7.
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Nyheat
Member
08-09-2006
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 8:02 am
I guess for me, I'd like a relationship to be more towards the Brenchel side as far as showing emotion than the JeJo side. Unless Jeff opens up more, I think maybe Jordan is hurting from the emotional distance. Neither relationship is ideal. Maybe something in between. Ok for someone who is not watching the show, I guess I should keep my trap shut. lol
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Me_poster
Member
03-02-2010
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 12:13 pm
i agree with what kep stated about brendon and rachels relationship. wow. wouldn't want to be in that relationship for the world. i think both of them need serious help before they can even be in a healthy relationship, with each other or with others. heaven forbid they have children together to start the cycle again. i also agree with maineiac(hahahaha- love the username) as far as pda's. my fiance are best friends first and foremost and lovers second. people who meet us automatically assume we are married. not because we hang on each other, because we don't, or that i have a ring on my finger, because right now i can't wear one (health issues and it doesn't fit), i think it's just the naturalness of how we are together. we also fight fair. we listen to each others point of view and state our own. we can also say "you know right now i am very upset with you so give me some space" we can then come together and talk about what is bothering each other. we have also dealt with "for better and for worse" and by golly we have dealt with more for worse lately and it has only brought us together then apart. i don't see that in brendon and rachel. with jeff and jordon i see more looks or eye contact between them that shows their love for each other. i don't see rachel or brandon doing that. whether jeff and jordon make it, i can't say. but i give them more of a chance of making it over brendon and rachel. jmho of course.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 1:10 pm
Nyheat-I agree. Personally I need alot of passion in a relationship & Brendon & Rachel have it! I see dysfunction in their relationship BUT I haven't seen too many relationships that don't have some "dysfunction" I see genuine love between them. I actually think they'll get married and be fine. Also, actions speak louder than words. They have moved in together & are planning a future. As for Jeff & Jordan its been 2 yrs and they still live in seperate states? Jeff seems to have zero interest in marrying Jordan or even moving in with her. Jordan keeps bringing up how they need to talk about what they should do and moving in together. Jeff NEVER brings it up and makes faces when she does as to say "Shut up" He seems to think of her as "buddy" She clings to get affection from him & he throws her a bone occassionaly but just to apease her. They have no passion. Its sad. Personally I would rather have a dysfunctional relationship with lots of passion, love, romance, friendship and commitment rather than a relationship where there is zero commitment and where there is zero passion and just a friendship. BUT that's just my opinion.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 1:12 pm
PS: We are ALL voyerists!! We are watching & talking about people living in a house 24/7?! Sounds like voyerisim to me! I am proud of it! LOL
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-16-2003
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 1:12 pm
i wonder how much of this full on frantic rush to marriage has to do with Rachel's Perfect sister being engaged and planning HER Wedding?? Got a feeling that this Br R Wedding is about keeping attention partially on Rachel, NOT her sister. and if anyone wants a laugh, must check out the Surv. Suxs Chop thread. Inappropriate Rachel "why arent they looking at ME! " pics were cracking me up.
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Jag2000
Member
07-01-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 1:46 pm
I think if Brendon and Jeff would get a real job they may be respected more. Rachael was telling Brendon last night after the noms. that he could use her debit card if he leaves and to use it an ATM machine near Target. Jeff had a menial job before his first BB and has not worked since. Both these guys are living off their women. I know Brendon is going for his PHD, but he could go to school at night or whenever and work while he's in school. Rachael can't hold a job but at least she works. Jordan won BB and after her obligations, I hope she saved some. But who supports Jeff? I have never seen either woman emasculating her man, just the opposite, the men are using them. Does anyone remember the married couple on TAR that the husband abused her verbally? I think after the show, he realized what he was doing and had counseling. I don't see any abuse between J/J, but that is all there is with Brenchel.
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Me_poster
Member
03-02-2010
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 1:48 pm
Personally I would rather have a dysfunctional relationship with lots of passion, love, romance, friendship and commitment rather than a relationship where there is zero commitment and where there is zero passion and just a friendship. BUT that's just my opinion. i don't see any passion, love or friendship in brendon and rachel, i see an insecure immature passive aggressive relationship. i have yet to see anything romantic that either of them have done for each other. i also wouldn't want to have the reminder that my husband to be was having a sexual internet relationship with another. i don't believe that was the first nor do i believe it will be the last.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 2:19 pm
well put Kep, Jag and Me_poster. ITA
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 4:39 pm
Well, I see tons of Romance between Brendon & Rachel and lots of caring. Just the fact that Brendon considered using the veto on Rachel instead of himself. Jeff would never consider using it on Jordan. I think Brendon & Rachel are insecure for sure but I see lots of love. With Jeff & Jordan I don't. By the way Jeff works fulltime in Advertising Sales for a friends company. They let him take off for his projects then he goes back to work. I know he doesn't care for the work though and Jeff still lives in his parents basement & Jordan still lives at home. I see Jeff & Jordan as being very immature.
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 4:59 pm
Mary- I think calling each other names during an argument is by definition 'immature'. R has called B 'psycho/crazy/etc'. He has called her 'stupid' (to which she replied 'YOU'RE stupid!). They are too emotional & irrational when they aren't in charge or being worshipped. Too high maintenance! I could much easier work/vacation/be neighbors of J/J... They have more FUN ' truly enjoy each other, B/R are hot or cold, that's too unpredictable and exhausting for me. They seem like the type who would be embarrassing in public because they react, rather than think of others & save their outbursts for when it wouldn't cause a scene. But I would love to hang with Rachel at a party! I would love to have Brendon keep track of my bills!
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 5:05 pm
Brendon did not 'consider' using veto on R, he said he WOULD. He warned R to not walk out during a fight, yet many times HE'S threatened to leave the BB house . He warned her not to embarrass him, but we all talk about HIS embarrassing antics. Their 'love' won't last, I don't compare them to the love J/J have, I'm just saying I could not tolerate to be around B/R for an extended period of time. They both 'one up' people during convos--- bad sign...
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Foolscap
Member
09-04-2004
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 5:09 pm
Of course this is just my opinion, but the romance between Brendan and Rachel doesn't appear very genuine at all to me. More like it's all for the camera. Way too overblown, melodramatic and shallow.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 8:40 pm
To me, B&R's relationship in the house appears more co-dependent than romantic.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 8:59 pm
JJ and BR both say they love each other. I'll take them at their word since love is different for us all. That said, they're both dysfunctional- just in different ways and some of the same. First time Jeff told me to shut up and get something to eat, his balls would be introduced to his abdomen. Same if Brendon told me how to behave. So, they have that in common. lol
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