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Slugger
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07-17-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slugger a private message Print Post    
Sorry, I gave him the benefit of the doubt his first go around. Society is evolving and evidently he is not. I am sorry I defended him in the past. He obviously has "issues". "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."

Bonzacat
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonzacat a private message Print Post    
CBS issues <yawn> canned statement on Jeff's 'tirade' last night:

TV Guide article -->> http://bit.ly/pd5fOA #BB13

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't send my daughter to a camp with male counselors.

an example I often use is Cadets. I had a few friends in Cadets and it was considered quite normal to lose virginity thru cohersion?/ peer pressure/pseudorape by the much older boys and Men.

Ya i know this thread is about BB but i'm agreeing that there are many places/ situations in which children are put in questionable circumstances. In many ways, a schoolteacher is one of the safeist. After all, usually a crowd, rarely alone with any kid and Definitely no sleepovers etc.

here in Canada Police checks are needed for any job that works with handicapped OR kids. However,a person has to be CAUGHT before they get flagged and would show up.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Personally, I think everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. Jeff's views and my views do not match up but that does not mean I have go off and have my own tirade against him.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
My DD's (now 12 and 10) have had a few male teachers though not nearly as many as female teachers. Their primary school principal was a very nice man in his thirties whose first fulltime job as a teacher was teaching kindergarten! He was telling me about that experience and said it was a bit disheartening for him as a number of parents didn't want him to teach their kids.

My DD's male teachers have been fantastic teachers. Like it or not, we are a society of 50/50 male and female and I think it is very important that kids get to associate with good role models from both sexes.

Of course, summer camp may be different. However, Harry Potter's school is not a summer camp. It is a large formally run establishment with a mix of male and female professors. Surely no one is suggesting that classes should be split between male and female with only teachers of the same sex and orientation teaching each class.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
So if someone were to say that they are of the opinion that black people shouldn't be doctors, no one should disagree?

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Not sure who that question is meant for, Jimmer, but most of my doctors in my life have been black or Asian or Indian. Not sure how that question pertains.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Well I think it is the same concept.

Oliviamimi
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05-30-2009

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oliviamimi a private message Print Post    
Camp and school are different. I wouldn't allow my grands, both girls, to have a male counselor. Has nothing to do with sexual preference, has to do with statistics. I hate it really, but have to be on the side of caution.
I had my son in cub scouts for a few months until I learned that there were 60 thousand sexual molestation charges pending. I kid you not. 60 thousand. This was at a meeting for den mothers. Most of the men who were scout leaders were married. < sigh > what a world we live in.

Sunshyne4u
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06-16-2003

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i'm gonna be honest. a grown man never married no children WANTING to teach kindergarten instead of Older children seems questionable to me.

Locally there is a DAYCARE run by a guy and I personally dont know what to think.

I think some ideas are Society Norms more than individual thinking. Most men are not that interested in very young children unless its THEIR children. so its easy for people to Question motives IF the guy is not parentally motivated. AND if a person knows that the Teacher had no option but to take Any job that came open.

my point is that its easy to have a gut reaction if its a "core Belief" based on how you were raised.

i know this post isnt clear, but hopefully it wont be misunderstood

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
Jimmer??? You know that Harry Potter is fictional right?? <just checking...you're beginning to worry me :-) >

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    


Lainee
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, all I can do is apologize that I offended you. I certainly did not mean to. Some of my best friends have been gay...male and female...and we had loads of fun partying together (back in my wild youth) and we did not always see eye to eye on things but we still hung out together.

Southerngirl
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07-28-2008

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Southerngirl a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I understand and you make a good point.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, I quite agree with you. Core beliefs go a long way, especially here in the south.


I was raised in a very sheltered environment, went to church every week, church school, etc. I did not even know gays existed until I got out on my own. They are people in their own right with feelings also. So, at one point in time, I was one of those people who could easily have had the core belief that anyone gay or different from me was not normal or not right or crazy or sick or...well the list could go on.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Oh I'm not offended in the slightest and there is certainly no need to apologize (though it is nice of you to offer to). I was just trying to understand your perspective on this.

It's a tough issue. As I said, there are many things that I like about Jeff and this doesn't change those things. I also love to discuss issues and I appreciate and welcome different viewpoints. However, I will speak up and disagree when someone like Jeff says something that I think is hurtful.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
I'm glad you aren't offended...I have always tried hard NOT to offend people on the boards here. This is my favorite hangout during BB even if I don't post a whole lot.

And I tend to speak up more in real life when I see someone that can't defend themselves being "beat up" on. But this is a game show...not worth me getting all aggravated about it. I can change any of them sitting in my chair here at home. :-)

Southerngirl
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07-28-2008

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Southerngirl a private message Print Post    
I love Jeff, always have. I respect his views and beliefs even though they might not be the same as mine.I think everyone is getting a little too worked up. None of us are perfect and I bet every person on this board has said something they shouldn't have at sometime in their life.

Frogichik
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06-11-2002

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Frogichik a private message Print Post    
i'm gonna be honest. a grown man never married no children WANTING to teach kindergarten instead of Older children seems questionable to me.

I really don't see the problem. Just because he is not married and no kids? I am not married, never will again and I DEFINITELY don't want children. Why is that considered weird? I feel like Kalia, lol



I respect his views and beliefs

I can't respect anyone's bigoted views or beliefs. That's just me.

Lgary26
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08-18-2006

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lgary26 a private message Print Post    
I totally agree with you Southerngirl, I don't know why everyone is so quick to hate on Jeff.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
The problem is that Jeff's statement perpetuates a MYTH that gay man are inherently untrustworthy around children.

Had he made similar remarks about Dumbledore not being denied the job of headmaster because he is black.....if that had been the case - this is a hypothetical example....then everyone would be calling him a racist today.

For some reason, even today, denigrating gay people based on false, harmful stereotypes is still much more "acceptable" than denigrating people based on their race.

When we hear misinformation being spread about gay people or people of different races, we must always stand up and confront it or that misinformation and suspicion will be perpetuated and innocent people will suffer.

I really liked Jeff, too, but his opinions of gay men are not based on truth, they're based on ignorance....and that kind of ignorant misinformation is currently being used as support to deny equal rights to innocent gay citizens.

Maggiemay08
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08-13-2009

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 3:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maggiemay08 a private message Print Post    
I agree Southerngirl. Jeff is liked by many because of the kind of person he is. Now judging him on words or feelings he can't defend or clarify right now is kind of sad. Maybe he meant them the way people are thinking he did, but maybe not. Everyone at one time or another says or does something they regret. It would be nice if when that happens people were willing to wait to hear what I really feel about it before condemning me.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I don't hate Jeff at all. I'm not even mad at him. He was reacting to a char in a children's fantasy book being different than he believed. I don't think he meant harm to anyone but was more speaking of his disbelief that Dumbledore was gay. I remember not believing it either because it's no where in the books.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't hate Jeff either. All the same, I wish that was what he truly was reacting to but I don't think so. And Brendon's(?) comment was equally offensive.

Nala63
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09-20-2005

Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 3:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nala63 a private message Print Post    
if Kalia is teaching jeff to dance she must have gotten over being offended by his remark.