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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 8:40 am
One of the benefits of having returning couples is we can see how a more developed relationship between couples has developed into day-to-day interactions. It seems to me that both Jeff and Brendan are two of the most emasculated men I have ever seen. Both show the fantasy bravado of the man who thinks he controlls the relationship, but the reality is that they are each easily forced into submission by the women they are connected with. Rachel does it through tears and pouting. Jordan does it through being cute, sexy and batting her eyes. So, which of the two men -- Jeff or Branden -- do you think is the biggest wimp? And which of the two women -- Rachel or Jordan -- do you think is most effective at emasculating "her man."
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 8:43 am
Brendan for sure is the bigger wimp. Though I still just cannot get over Jeff's homophobia, so I think he is a wimp for not opening his mind and heart.
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Jadajean
Member
03-23-2008
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 8:46 am
I think it's the natural progression of relationships. Most men think there're in charge but women generally are. I don't think either are emasculated IMO - just the natural course of most relationships.
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Joyceellaine
Member
07-30-2005
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 8:48 am
I think both men are wimps, and I have no respect for either of them.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 8:49 am
Jadajean... I totally agree.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 8:56 am
I agree with Jada. I don't think that either woman is making their partner any less of "a man". What you see is men being typical men. Of course you will find some men who are more controlling of women, but I think that many men submit to women. That is not necessarily a bad thing (spoken by a woman) I like the tender side of men. Yes, Brendan is a whimp... but that is him - with or without Rachel.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 9:03 am
I agree with Jada. I don't cry, scream, flirt but I usually get what I really want. We might talk over what I want & I might change my mind but if I really have my mind set on something my husband doesn't tell me no or get mad. He just knows I'm a person with a mind of my own that works just as well as his does.
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Callasin
Member
06-21-2005
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 9:05 am
I think it's because so many little things just don't matter to men. The woman gets her way because he just doesn't care not because he is emasculated.
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Scubalass
Member
07-01-2004
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 9:44 am
I also agree with Jada, As you develop a relationship you learn how to negotiate and plan. I know exactly what to say, when to say it and how to say it, if I want to get my own way over something. I have been married for 28 years so I should know by now!! Not so long ago there was this adorable African Gray parrot that I wanted to join our feathered family. The answer was no! We have enough birds! Guess who is sitting on my shoulder as I type :-) I think Rachel and Brendon have some very big challenges in their relationship which I am not sure they will ever overcome. Jeff and Jordan will be fine.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 10:36 am
I guess I don't see the "love" in either relationship. B/R, well, I can't count the ways they are just plain wrong for each other and that's just from listening to the two of them ad nauseum. J/J, I don't even understand why they're together. They seem more like best buds or brother/sister than a couple to me. It's been how long now? Two years? They still count on BB/CBS to give them "time together" as they continue to live their own lives in different states and take every advantage of their "celebrity". Where's the love?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 10:55 am
I've been watching old Desperate Housewives episodes (bear with me...!) and last night watched one where an old man asks Tom why he lets Lynette ("controlling" wife) "emasculate" him. Tom reveals something he knows about Lynette's childhood, and says that her controlling ways make her feels safe, so when it's no big deal to him he lets her make the decisions because he loves her and it makes her happy. I think it's easy to label a partner/husband as emasculated but often it's really just part of the give and take of a loving relationship. Women do the same for men, there just isn't any stigma to it because women are expected to let the man have his say now and again. Anyway that's how I see Jeff and Jordan. Brendan and Rachel, not so much, they're seriously disfunctional.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 11:08 am
Chippy-I agree! Brendon & Rachel have a very dysfunctional relationship BUT at least I still see passion there a genuine affection for each other. I must say I am so shocked at how little passion I see between Jeff & Jordan. It's very odd. 2 years ago Jeff was always trying to get her "makeout" Now all we see is a quick kiss at night (maybe) Jeff seems to care less if they ever touch or kiss. Jordan almost seems sad by it & I still think Jordan is jealous of the affection Brendon & Rachel show. I know people will think this is crazy BUT I wonder if Jeff isn't secretly Gay! I mean often Homophobics have sexual feelings towards the same sex they are afraid to explore so they instead get angry towards them. Here are my reasons why I feel this way: Remember when Jeff fought with Russel in their season and said several times to Russell "You just want to have sex with me don't you?" I mean what straight guy would ever say that? Noone called Jeff on it but everyone seemed uncomfortable when he said it. Then he's been through numerous relationships and he's what 33 now? One of his relationships was long distance for years. This shows me he's afraid to committ because maybe his heart isn't in it? Lastly, he's very into how people dress, how he looks (ex. face masks) and he even sold womens shoes for a time. I know those are stereotypes BUT I just have a feeling it's true. Otherwise why do we see zero passion between he & Jordan now? It's just so odd.
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Me_poster
Member
03-02-2010
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 11:25 am
my favorite needle point writing " i am the boss od this house and i have my wife's permission to say so" i am one of those people who do not like public displays of affection, so having x amount of cameras would make me look like the most frigid woman in the world. i know jordan is very conscious of the cameras, so i am not going to state on their relationship. brendon and rachel's relationship is so dydfunctional i would know where to start except i find it incredibly sad that these two believe that what they have is love. i think both of them need serious help and even though i can not tolerate them, i do wish that they do not spend the rest of their lives in an unhealthy relationship,whether with each other or with others. especially if they bring children into the mix.
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Scubalass
Member
07-01-2004
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 11:43 am
Jordan said yesterday that they did not want to be too affectionate this season as they have family watching. I have seen them hug, cuddle and goof around this season.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 12:12 pm
Scubalass-Honestly, I think she's saying that to cover up why they aren't affectionate. IF that were true WHY does Jordan keep trying to get Jeff to be more affectionate & he seems to just be not interested. They are seriously dating now so I honestly don't think Jordan's family would care if they even kissed several times or hugged alot. It just doesn't make sense to me. Jeff used to always try to steal kisses and touch her alot EVEN when she insisted her family would be upset. Honestly, I just think they have NO passion and Jeff especially seems disinterested.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 12:21 pm
I don't think that Jeff and Jordan have any interest in creating borderline internet porn for the live feed viewers. Jordan is aware of the cameras and does not like PDA. Just because we are not seeing any make out sessions does not mean that they are over or that he is gay.
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Llkoolaid
Member
08-01-2001
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 12:25 pm
It is hard for me to say who's relationship is good or bad, every relationship is differant. some people are more open, some are more private, some argue , some discuss, some need constant attention, some like their own space. I really don't think any of us can say what is real or not by watching people who know they are being watched.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 12:25 pm
We are also not seeing Jeff and Jordan 24/7 on the live feeds. I've known many people who are very much in love but don't go around making out in front of other people. I've also known dysfunctional couples who hang all over each other in public and fight constantly in private. They want people to believe they're in love. They have their own reasons for staying together (usually kids or money), but they're not happy.
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Llkoolaid
Member
08-01-2001
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 12:36 pm
I think the thing with Jordon and Jeff is they are way past the flirting stage and just secure with each other. They know they are the loved couple and are more relaxed. Rachel and Brendon on the other hand know how disliked they are, they must be under a lot of pressure to get people to see them in a better light, I watch them and no they are not my favorites, but I do think people tend to knit pick them, it is like a highschool bullying mentality, pick on them they are easy prey and it is cool to make fun of them, the more this goes on the more stress they are under and the more they will mess up. I feel so sorry for Rachel, I see her as a bully victim, by the boards, by the housemates and worst of all by her boyfriend. She tries too hard to make people like her, she is fighting a losing battle , it isn't going to change, I wish for her sake she hadn't come back on this show. I don't see any humour in making fun of her looks, her clothes or how she cries. She reminds me of someone desperately trying to get in with the cool kids but all the doors are locked so she gets to look in the window. I have rasied my kids not to be bullies, and to stick up for people who are being bullied, so even though Rachel does things that may annoy me, I can't help myself in wanting to protect her.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 12:43 pm
Caprica-kissing & hugging regularly when you are in love is NOT internet porn! It's called being in a healthy loving relationship. Honestly, it's more of a feeling I get that they aren't in love and have no passion. I am sure they care for each other but I just see a friendship. Maybe it's just me. BUT when I am in love I want to touch, hug and kiss my guy all the time. Maybe that's strange to some but to me it's just love.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 12:44 pm
Llkoolaid, I agree with you and she sure isn't my favorite, but it is sad.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 12:44 pm
LLK That's a very sweet, compassionate post. ITA.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 1:12 pm
Internet porn? Is someone here asking for that? If so, I missed it. I didn't however miss the many times Jordan tried to be affectionate and Jeff didn't appear interested for whatever reason. Like I said, I don't see the great love/romance between them. In fact, I don't believe they'd even still be together (if you consider a visit here and there over the years as being together)if they didn't stay "JJ". Guess they'd better milk it while the udders still full. lol Personally, I could give a rat's rear what they do so long as it's not another of my tv favorites. Enough already.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 1:14 pm
So Jeff and Jordan have no contact at all. No hand holding, no hugging, not a kiss?
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 1:24 pm
the problem with brendon is that rachel will start pouting and crying during their arguements then brendan will start totally kissing her a$$ to keep her from crying. its nauseating. a lot of times with most guys, we just dont care enough to rgue about something and you can just have your way. example home decoration, as long as i'm happy with the tv, sofa/chairs we got then i really dont care what else the house decor is unless you pick out something totally heinous
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