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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 5:24 am
Why do we as viewers, in the most part, bring it back to who needs the money? That is not what the game is about. It is a 'Game', not who needs the money the most. Why can't we just look at the game and not decide the winner by who needs the money the most? By this standard Ragan should win. Why can't the HG's look at the game and decide who played the game the best, not who needs the money the most? My pet peeve. Every year. Season One included. An enginered game by production, I get that, but the HG's aren't in on that. Why the who needs the money most strategy at the end? With this mind set, Dr. Will would have never won.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 6:08 am
The thing is though, if it gets down to 2 people who are reasonably equal in the game, then that could become a deciding factor. I always think that in order to win BB & Survivor, someone needs to have at least won something (don't get me started on Sandra from Survivor.) So, from that perspective in order of most to least deserving it goes: Brit, Ragan, Hayden, Enzo, Lane. I put Enzo ahead of Lane because Enzo wanted and needed to win to get off the block, while Lane didn't really want to win but "had to" after Enzo blew it. But let's say it got down to Lane & Hayden for final 2, and Lane won his 2nd HOH to get there. Neither really did much, but both would have won 2 HOHs. So what is the deciding factor for the Jury? The fact that Hayden made less than $25,000 the last 2 years combined while Lane just got a house and new car, and comes from a family that (as Hayden mentioned) owns jets (plural!) While I don't think that is a good reason for someone to win or lose on the whole, because otherwise everyone could just decide to give it to the "most in need" and not even play the game, but there could be circumstances where it is entirely valid to at least use as a consideration factor.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 6:45 am
Britney could have won every HOH and every POV right up til final 4 and if 3 Brigaders were sitting there with her and she had no idea about the Brigade...SHE WOULD NOT DERSERVE TO WIN. Winning comps in a game where most of the people throw them only matters if you have to win to stay. Winning comps is only a marginal part of this game. Getting to know people and being able to flip the vote in your favor is far more impressive. This season the people think a good social game means that you made friends and were nice to everyone. Really? Not one single person all season was able to flip the vote in order for them to stay. Not one single person that had been marked for eviction was able to cut a deal that allowed them to stay. Why because there was a 4 person alliance in the house that basically controlled the votes. People would ask around for votes and everyone kept saying they would vote with the house,those 4 people kept telling everyone how to vote and they did.(Girls hating other girls was also a factor) The DR fed Kristen that stuff about the Brigade and she told Ragan and they tried to convince Rachel that they might be in trouble. Rachel would not believe it. Later Ragan never brought it up again so he probably didn't believe it either. Once again the DR brings up the Brigade this time to Ragan,who does what with this info,tells us "He is on his own". Duh..Ragan we have been knowing that. These people played all summer and still don't know how to play BIG Brother. The person sitting at Final 2 that convinces the jury that they smoozed the right people the most,lied to the right people the most and won the comps they needed to win to get them to the end deserves the money.
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 8:19 am
Then Enzo seems like he should be the winner for having started the Brigade and kept control of the house without opposition. Unless he loses this control at F3, we'll know he was the weakest of the 3 remaining brigade). If Lane manages to demolish his own alliance and take Brit to F2, then he should be the winner for having fooled even his own alliance. If its Hayden and Lane, then either one of them should win since they obviously worked together (inspite their side deals with Brit). If Brit manages to demoslish the remaining brigade by taking Hayden or Lane to F2 she deserves the win tenfold. The money factor is just an excuse to bargain their way to the finals and when you only have to decide between 2 finalists it's easy to forget about the money and go for the better player.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 8:30 am
I can hardly give the 3 remaining Brigaders any credit. Their biggest move was getting rid of Matt when they did. He carried them to that point and they knew going final 4 with him was playing with fire. Rachel and Brendon were the two biggest targets the entire game and the Brigade hid behind them the entire time. It's not that the Brigade played a good game it's that the rest of the house was so clueless the Brigade could not lose. Any of the 3 Brigaders deserves to win and Brendon or Rachel should get the 25K for AC just to let the rest of the cast know that we think they suck as Big Brother players.
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 8:34 am
I agree Caprica, they were lucky to keep control of the house because the others were too dumb to see that. So, in the end it's going to be a winner without great merit.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 8:40 am
I think yawl nailed it. Not much merit to go around but I must say, "needing" the money has never entered into my own personal equation cause to me, that has nothing to do with the game. The fact that they think they all made great moves this season is just plain chuckle-worthy. Seems none of them have been able to see past their own emotions to get to any fun to watch strategy.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 8:53 am
As far as I'm concerned, everyone needs money. Just because someone's parents have money doesn't mean that they do. How "rich" is rich??
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Rieann
Member
08-26-2006
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 9:43 am
Great posts Caprica. You make good points. Love this part: It's not that the Brigade played a good game it's that the rest of the house was so clueless the Brigade could not lose. This part always baffled me. How could the rest of the HG's not realize they were an alliance? Wake up and smell the game play people.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 9:47 am
But, but, the boys weren't in an alliance - they were just friends who liked to hang out together all the time! 
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Rieann
Member
08-26-2006
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 9:54 am
Oh Merrysea... you're right. What was I thinking. They were just hangin' around all summer sleeping and playing pool.

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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:10 am
As a viewer, I don't care about who needs the money but if I was a HG, I would probably try to use that for or against someone! You see them pull out that card every year.
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Just_gail
Member
08-25-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:40 am
"Needing" the money didn't work for Matt. I think it's just an excuse to fall back on so they don't have to analyze the game play too much.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:46 am
I will admit that it would be very hard for me to vote for a person I knew didn't need the money over someone I knew did need the money. If it were between Lane and Brit, Brit would get my vote. But really, I don't care.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 11:03 am
Sorry wrong thread
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 11:42 am
There's no rule that requires the BB jury to vote based on specific criteria so we can't really blame them if their vote is based on "who needs the money" or even "who I like more". BB contestants have been aware of this for many years so they should play accordingly. I think it's fair to say that Lane made a bad game move in revealing that his family is loaded, and if he loses because of that, so be it. And as we saw from Matt and Kathy, it doesn't always help if you go to the other extreme and give a sob story about why you need the money. That's one reason why game strategy in Survivor and BB is so interesting -- you have to figure out how to get votes from people you've beaten.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 12:11 pm
Same way how they use any monetary winnings as a reason to boot someone or put them on the block. Feh. It's just a cop out. That said, I think using someone's LIES about winning money *cough* Hayden *cough* is good strategy. Not bad that they convinced Brit (and others?) that Matt took what Hayden really got either. If I were Enzo, I'd keep that little trinket in the my bag-o-tricks. A sob story about money might get you some votes at the end, but noone is gonna want to sit next to you and take that risk so it works (wouldn't for me) for a minute but really, not so much in the big scheme of things. Anyone that boasts being a reality tv fan ought to know by now that no sob story is true till there's evidence to say it's so.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 12:40 pm
That is why I never cared that Matt lied about his wife having an illness. It was a stupid move. No one was going to take him to the Final 2. It was silly for people to make a big deal about a move that was going to ruin his game anyway.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 12:44 pm
It just made him smarmy IMO. And since I don't like smarmy, I had no vested interest in him sticking around. Had he done something smart in his two time HOH reign, his smarmy might've gone down some, but no. Plus he laid down too easily at the end. That's no BB fan OR brainiac. Just a smarmy giver upper. lol
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 12:45 pm
Four smarmies in one post. That's BB12. LMAO.
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Stay_thirsty
Member
06-30-2010
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 4:17 pm
Roddy was smarmy.
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 4:38 pm
That would be a good speech: "Matt, I nominated you because your wife has a debilitating disease, and I could not risk you trying to get money for her in the final vote."
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 9:10 pm
I cannot wait till they find out that was total BS. Especially Ragan who has jumped to Matt's defense when a couple of hgs have questioned the truth of Stacy's legs. Enzo and Hayden are certain there's already been a collection for the poor dear and the money for her new legs is in the bank. It may be the only reason to watch the finale. lol
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Jag2000
Member
07-01-2009
| Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 9:31 pm
Who needs the money??? I DO..
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 2:19 am
Unless they have a house full of multi millionaires......half a mil can change all thier lives.
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Tvclubber
Member
06-22-2008
| Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 6:05 am
Ragan said he would take the money and blow it, that he would NOT put any of the money toward paying off his student-loan debt. Great role model! Then he would likely whine and cry and carry on about how broke he is and why can't he be a winner.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 8:05 am
The idea of "need" trumping merit is an old one. I started my first trainee programmer job in 1969. At that time most of the trainees who had come into County of Orange (Calif) data processing came directly from the military.. the classes ahead of mine were heavy (in all senses of the word) with cigar smoking 20 year veterans of the Marines. Another had been in the Navy. Our center director was ex military and the only woman in any senior position had been a civilian who worked for the military. And the spoken vibe was.. master sgt Smith, ret. to a married female in the same class (a year ahead of mine) : "you don't need as much salary/raise because you don't have children and you and your husband both work. I have a wife and 4 kids to support". Nevermind that he also had his military pension. And he was serious. One guy who was also in a class ahead of mine was called back into active duty and he was promised his job back.. so he came back in as a trainee analyst but they had bumped up his pay while he was gone so he became the highest paid trainee and frankly didn't show talent to actually DO any analysis, let alone programming so naturally he was promoted to a manager position and supervised people with more knowledge for the next decades. I will say that the retired master sgt Smith turned around over the years and became quite an advocate of those he judged to be actually productive and was a big support as my boss.. (he also had learned how to program, though I gather it was best that he moved past that, and was a good manager and able to anaylze situations and delegate but support) and when a couple of years later the county came up with VARIABLE merit increases, hopefully based on merit, not how many people you had to support, this man was quick to get us those higher % raises. But it was part of the culture that men should be the providers and make more than women doing the same job, at that time. I still see BB and other reality games as games and while you hope someone who needs money or "fame" does well, I'd want to see them DO well to vote for them. I also think that many of those who won money in the past get out and family gets to them and hopefully a clear headed financial adviser and those people re-think buying the expensive car. And some of those claiming that they will only spend a little bit and hand the rest to "wifey".. hmm I wonder.. Hayden has announced various things like the big expensive car, helping family, but also promised paying for trips for other HG etc. Reality will tell them just how much goes for taxes and that they will be taxed on other earnings. Also hopefully they realize that final 2 do not get the stipend money. And that third place doesn't necessarily get the $25K, though it could happen. I think tonight they will show Ragan's reaction to Matt's lie. I'm thinking Rachel must really hate Matt now.. not so much for the lie, but for stealing the spotlight from "me and my Maaaan". Or, more accurately.. getting between me and the spotlight.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 9:06 am
The whole.....'Who needs the money'... bit my Hubby is backside years ago. That is why it irks me so much. Both of my parents have passed. When my father passed I inherited enough to let us move to a better area. We really needed to do this because the new school system was better equipped to handled my son's medical needs. BUT, we now lived in the same suburb that the owner of the company lived in, so obviously Hubby didn't need the money. Bite me. Of course he/we needed a reasonable cost of living raise, if not more (merit). That inheritance/down payment, was a one time thing and I could no longer work outside the home because of my son's medical needs. We based what we could afford on the usual raises from the past 8 years before. We could have stayed in the other suburb and had medical costs go through the roof for the company he was at, bought toys, etc. and he would have gotten his usual raise, but no....you can't live in the same suburb where the owner lives. The house payment was the same, with the down payment we/I had. The medical services were decreased because of the move. So that company lost a worker that had been groomed for a specific position for 5 years to thier biggest competition. I believe in merit, not need. Who knows what someone else truly needs? We can only guess, unless we probe way to much into someone else's business.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 10:21 am
I find it hilarious that some people want to judge the constants on their worthiness of winning based on how the contestants have said they would spend the money. One of these guys whether we like it or not is going to win. How any of them spend the money or use the prizes they win on this show should not be a concern of the viewers. I'm sure many older viewers out there are worried that some of the money will be spent on drugs and women but that is really up to the winner. This season has really bored all of us to tears if we are ready to prejudge the winners on how they spend their winnings.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 11:09 am
Boring season or not, it happens every year to some extent.
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Jag2000
Member
07-01-2009
| Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 7:28 pm
Hayden wants to buy a Maserati if he wins. That will take $125K right off the top and the insur- ance has to be very high which you have to pay each year and the maintenance has to be very costly. You go boy! Plus he has to pay taxes on the $500K and the Maserati. Oh, to be young.
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