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Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puttergirl a private message Print Post    
to be allowed into the BB game?

They must have to go through some sort of simple psych evaluation. You'd think it would have picked up on his propensity toward depression. He himself knew that he gets depressed easily. He told someone in the house he cries weekly just to clear out his feelings for the week.

It seems reckless to allow someone like him into such an emotionally charged environment. Its seems like every year we question why somebody was allowed in when they literally "break" under the pressure.

In years past, we've heard talk of them going to DR to talk to the psychologist. But this year we've never heard that with Ragan. Seems he needs it more than most from the past!

As much as I don't like Ragan, I think he needs some help.

Jcsmom
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08-25-2006

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jcsmom a private message Print Post    
i think all the secret talks, backstabbing and general "highschool" atmosphere is giving ragan flashbacks to a "not so happy" time for him...he has said on numerous occasions that he was bullied, and isnt that little kid anymore and will not take it.....i feel he has stood up to his bullies while in the BB house...quite well, actually.....

i think a bigger problem for him was the 3 weeks on slop and poor sleeping arrangements...i think most break while living with those adverse conditions....i also think the time he was CHOSEN to be on slop, was a blow to his psyche...when he was on the loosing team, he took it better, but to be assigned as a 'have not'....didnt sit as well

...and then there is his friendship with matt...i think ragan is a fantastic friend, and is as loyal as they come....i also think ragan is astute enough to see the 'shaddy' things matt is doing, but his loyalty is what is causing him to break down....

...so, the short answer, is YES, i think ragan is competant and stable enough to be in the BB house

...mind you...I do not know ragan, only know what i've seen on the feeds, or he has said in convos with the other hgs....also, i am not a trained professional, just a 8th grade teacher and mom

these are just my simple opinions

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puttergirl a private message Print Post    
You make some good points, Jcsmom, but here is some more of my rationale:

Ragan can't seem to handle any kind of confrontation or tense environments. He wants everybody to always get along, but of course this doesn't happen in real life and certainly not in the BB house. Even before things got uncomfortable for him personally in the house, he was trying to create his ideal environment in the house.

As a so called expert on BB, he should have known what the environment would be like and have prepared himself for it. At the beginning, he tried to make us think that he wanted charged moments so that he could be the one who came in to help people deal with it and then they would want to turn to him from then on when things got tense. But he quickly forgot this and seemed to not be able to deal with the tension when it happened.

Another thing I see is how he wants so badly to avoid confrontation, but then when he reaches a point where he can't, he over-reacts like he did with Rachel. I'm alot like him with confrontation, so I can spot it in him.

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puttergirl a private message Print Post    
Oh, he also acts too much like these are life and death decisions. He seems to lose sight of the fact that it will end soon and regular life will begin again. These aren't roommates who have to learn how to get along because they'll be stuck with each other for a long time. Its a time limited situation.

Jcsmom
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08-25-2006

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jcsmom a private message Print Post    
...i agree with you...but also, realize that the BB house is a pressure cooker and everything, every feeling and every relationship is magnified to the tenth degree...it exaggerates everything and breeds paranoia....as you said, you can spot it....but i think self-awareness goes out the window after a few days isolated .... again, the slop and sleep are a big part of it...i have a friend of a friend who was on survivor, and she said that starvation and poor sleep makes the sanest of people loco....paranoia is just the begining of it...and if you are predisposed to drama and over-reacting....viola, you have ragan, right now

Kappy
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06-28-2002

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
"predisposed to drama and over-reacting"

Those were the words I was looking for when I opened this thread.

I agree with Jcs. I think he'll be fine on Friday just like Britney was fine when Monet was voted out and Brendon was fine when Rachel was voted out. Unfortunately, it's a long time til Friday and Ragan will want to have his drama right up until then.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Ragan is fine. He is a very typical gay drama queen.

I have seen many of them. Nothing he is doing or has done, nor any reaction he has had, is out of the norm for how these guys live their lives.

They want everyone happy, happy, happy. Do not want confrontation. Want to mother everyone. And then, for the slightest thing, they become overwrought, run off, and act as if they world is coming to an end.

It's really quite tiring and is why they seldom have any lasting relationships but a lot of very intense, short-lived love affairs, often one-sided on their side. And then, when it is over, they crash and burn, then they shrug it off as if it really was meaningless, which is what Ragan will do once he gets over the realization that his latest flame is playing him like a worn-out accordion.

It is kind of a Scarlett O'Hara reaction. I'll bet Ragan is a big fan of Scarlett's.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
He's just a crybaby.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 1:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think virtually everyone who has gone through BB has said no matter how much they had loved and studied BB, it was different when they were actually going through the experience.

BB CASTS to have some people who will be or seem overly sensitive and yeah, some of them are gay men, some are straight women, whatever.

I think Ragan will be the most hurt in the end by/about Matt, unless he just puts a positive spin on things.. not because Matt is worse than many on the show but because Ragan trusted him for so long.

And remember, this is double eviction, so Matt will leave and then it will depend on who is HOH.. if Ragan is HOH he can attempt to get revenge, which at this point could be against anyone, including his "friend" Britney. Hopefully he will see beyond her and go after Brendon and Enzo but of course the same thing could repeat with POV.. then he has to be smart enough NOT to put Brit up, pawn or not pawn but put up another of those guys and finally lose one of them.

And more likely, Ragan won't be HOH and will be on the block when one of the other guys misses the point allows Brendon AND Enzo to stay. So Ragan will be busy and wanting POV.. or he'll just give up. Or a bit of both.

Unless he wins HOH and/or POV he's likely not to be missing Matt for very long, this week.

I DO think he's probably seen the shrink more than once. He sort of alluded to it last night to Matt.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 2:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Is he in love with Matt, do you think?

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
Whatt555 is right.........drama queen, attention seeker.

Proof..........watch how he makes Matt's eviction all about himself.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I am *really* tired of this drama queen type gay men on these shows. Then again, same goes for all the other drama queens, lol.

Sanfranjoshfan
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09-17-2000

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sanfranjoshfan a private message Print Post    
I've known plenty of straight men and women that were also "drama queens".....so I guess we can leave "gay" out of that description. Drama queen behavior is not limited to gay men nor is it typical of us. It's a stereotypical description, but not "typical" of any particular gender or sexual orientation.

Just my ....

Caprica
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Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
They let Michele in the house last year. So I'm guessing their psycological testing is pretty flawed.

Emm119
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07-12-2005

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Emm119 a private message Print Post    
I think he's a cry baby PLUS if it doesn't go his way he's a bigger cry baby...He's fine if the things in the house are balanced on his side of the fence (so to speak) but when they aren't...he wants to be alone, he cries or bitc*es. He called Rachel out for being mean and putting people down but he did it in a very evil and demeaning way...and did it by not only putting her game down by her looks...so yes he's a drama queen and a poor sport and a rotten player...geez should I tell you how I really feel...LOL

What555456
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06-14-2005

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Boberg: "watch how he makes Matt's eviction all about himself."

And there you have it. Matt may get evicted and Ragen starts crying for himself. This is not a sign of emotional instability or weakness. It's a sign of narcissism. No matter what happens in the world, he is the center of all.

I have no patience with such self-centeredness.

Scribe
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08-16-2000

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scribe a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey. Been wondering same thing ...is rag an infatuated with Matt. Id say yes or at least attached,dependent ... Am sure he is seeing shrink in dr ... As said above when assed last night bat his dr session he resounded .. Not so good ... More a psych visit than a discussion with bb handlers. M sure he will be shocked by marts brigade involvement and the way Matt has on occasion talked divisively of rag an... And that Matt lied bat his wife's illness. But, he will forgive him. Because Matt does no wrong. Yet curious how he will explain his saboteurship!

Jmm
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08-16-2002

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 4:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jmm a private message Print Post    
Sanfran, I totally agree with you. In my experience, the best drama queens are adolescent girls who have been told "no". (Just my opinion as a mom)

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I think it's cabin fever. Every season we see people that we like in the beginning go a bit bonkers as the game progresses.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 7:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Sanfran, I also know plenty of drama queens who aren't gay, but BB tends to mostly cast for that trait, in men and women.. I mean, Brendon seems to be straight but there is lots of drama with him. Andrew.. lots of drama. Enzo lots of faked drama. Ick.

Lots of female drama queens on BB over the years.

I don't think Ragan has to explain being saboteur. Has anyone ever said no to such a thing? Every opportunity to open Pandora's box in two seasons has been taken and no matter what Enzo and others say, I'm convinced that, if they were voted saboteur, they would, in the end, take the job.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
<-----v

Straight drama queen here... and proud of it.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 9:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
I know someone I wouldn't want as a college professor.

Grendelsmom
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07-31-2005

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grendelsmom a private message Print Post    
I heard Brit and Ragan both talk about seeing the psych. a few days ago. Not so much here, but on other boards I've seen Rachel "diagnosed" as either bipolar or borderline personality disorder. It's funny how much of the description of Ragan in this thread fits the description of a borderline. I don't think he is, but it's interesting. I have a 10 year old son who's a bigger drama queen.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 10:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Actually I do believe that Ragan is bipolar. He's mentioned it himself.

I'm borderline-bipolar myself and I can completely relate to his euphoric states, his deep sincerity/loyalty, his artistic bent, (he's a slam-poet, and I'm a freelance writer) and his over-sensitivity/weepiness. I'm not thrilled about this, but it is what it is.

Emm119
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07-12-2005

Monday, August 23, 2010 - 5:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Emm119 a private message Print Post    
So last night on the show Ragan said in the DR to Brendon...Rachel's gone - get over it...but it was okay for him to react the way he did when Matt was just nominated? He acted like his life was over. When Matt gets booted can Brendon tell him...He's gone Ragan...get over it?