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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 1:53 pm
Jeff has the perfect opportunity to get rid of Nat if he is smart enough to see it. Nat and Jordan have gone to him with the idea of getting Michele to not use the veto on herself but on Jeff. As the story would be told to Michele, Nat would then go up and Jeff and Jordan would vote Nat out. Nat's intention is that the opposite would occur...Jeff and Jordan would vote Michele out. This is Jeff's perfect opportunity to save himself, save Michele and get her loyalty and get rid of Nat. All he needs to do is to tell Michele about Nat's plan. Michele will then use the veto on herself. Jeff then needs to convince Kevin to put up Nat. A bit tricky, but with Jordan and Michele involved, doable, I think. Then Nat goes up. Then Jeff convinces Jordan to join with Michele in voting to remove Nat rather than Jeff. That should not be too hard. Is Jeff smart enough to see such a simple strategy? I doubt it. He has not exactly shown himself to be particularly bright. And, as one might expect, Jordan won't be any help in the brains department. Michele can't propose it because she does not know about it and Nat, obviously, ain't gonna set this one in motion. This is almost too easy...except for Jeff
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 1:57 pm
'cept Jordon goes up instead of Nat so that doesn't work. Kevin will not put up Nat no matter the 18 buildings that should have already fallen on his little head.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 1:57 pm
There's one flaw with this plan. If Michelle used the veto on Jeff, Kevin would just put up Jordan.
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 1:59 pm
ya I don't see how Jeff could pull this off and I understand him not wanting to trick Michele. Michele isn't going to stay on the block and save him she'd be crazy.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 1:59 pm
Yep. I meant to include Kevin in the plan but missed that when I first posted. Changed it. I think Kevin can be bought off if Jeff, Michele and Jordan all work on him.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:01 pm
Nope, what. He can't. I actually thought he was getting it early this a.m. after his talk with Michelle but lo, first opportunity he had, him and galpal did everything but laugh at it. Oh wait, they did laugh. lol
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:04 pm
Kevin is in control here. I think it is a no-brainer that Michelle will take herself off. The plotters should be talking to Kevin, not the powerless Jeff.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:05 pm
It's up to Kevin to put Natalie on the block, not Jeff. Michele is never going to us the veto on Jeff. Kevin would put Jordan up, not Natalie, regardless. The only thing I can think that Jeff can do, is to convince Kevin to put Natalie up rather than Jordan, when Michele takes herself off. Michele had tried yesterday, but I think Jeff can give some ideas to try to sway Kevin. Why Kevin wants Natalie at this point is behind me.
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Mindeegap
Member
07-20-2009
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:13 pm
The plan wasn't to put Nat up. It was just to tell Michelle that Nat was going up but they were going to put Jordan up instead and then vote out Michelle. Nat was very careful to put in the part that she wasn't really going up. I believe it was around 3:am that she and Kevin are trying to explain this to Jordan. Jordan was fine with going up knowing that Michelle would go. Their stupid brains couldn't wrap around the fact that Michelle could say, hey put Nat up in place of me and we vote her out. I don't know anyone that would be that stupid. Not even the dummies that thought it up.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:15 pm
Mindee...I think it was about 1:30am-ish. Because by 3:00am-ish, Jeff, Jordan and Natalie were all in the SS room.
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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:25 pm
Yeah the simpler plan is for J/J/M to really hit Kevin hard why it is in HIS best interest to put Nat up and not Jordan when Michele uses the POV. They need to pull out all the stops. this is traditionally when many alliances break up anyway. It actually makes sense from a strategy approach, so J/J/M should have the advantage of preaching the truth.... #1. All three, together, promise he will be safe when his HoH ends....AND promise that if he goes up after POV, the one sitting next to him goes home... This will be hard to convince, but they should say it. #2. The game logic of what happens otherwise....Jordan/Michele promise to go after him this week... #3. The idea that Nat can't be trusted. Michele needs to make this case WITH j/j because Kevin actually knows it is true.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:29 pm
The other question Kevin has to consider is if he is responsible for Natalie's eviction, will his and Natalie's "friends" on the jury still vote for him or will he lose Natalie and their votes. Remember that he has to consider how convincing Natalie could be if she were to work against him.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:31 pm
Thing is... - Michele cornered Jeff against his will initially and proposed her plan. It brought him to life before our eyes. - Enter Natalie to completely befuddle him (took all of 3 seconds) and tell him that she'd vote for him to stay but Michele would NOT and Kevin would not be on board with keeping Jeff. She actually worked him like a fine tooth comb not even knowing that M had a plan. He looked thoroughly confused to the point that he had me yelling at him. The girl is good at being smarmy. Real, real good.
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Lindy_b
Member
08-06-2007
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:38 pm
I think Michelle was just trying to get Jeff jury vote, I dont think she really wants him to stay b/c with Jeff gone she is the strongest player.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 2:47 pm
If Kevin is in the F2, he has the opportunity to speak to the jury, I would hope that he remembers that he can also influence them. Kevin needs to take a risk, otherwise he is high on the list to go next. That's true too, she may have been trying to get his jury vote, which is also a good move on her part, since Jeff for some reason, has shown such disdain for her.
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Jagger
Member
08-07-2002
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 3:08 pm
Jeff screwed himself with his conversation with Nat. The original plan was to work on Kevin first to break the tie to keep Jeff. Instead of talking to Kevin jeff talked to Nat and screwed things up, she went running to Kevin saying Jeff wanted her and Michelle to keep him and in turn he'd get out Kevin next week. If Jeff had stuck to the original plan Michelle came up with it might have worked, now there is no way it will work in any shape or form. Kevin does not trust Jeff period.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 3:14 pm
Exactly, Jagger. And why hasn't Kevin or Jeff mentioned that if K would break the tie in Jeff's favor, it would undo the breaking of his word (putting Jeff up in the first place) and prove loyalty?? It's like Jeff just flat gave up and continues not to believe the only one left in the house with an ounce of truth in her. It's maddening.
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Tissy
Member
07-28-2003
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 3:33 pm
Can`t believe how these hgs have to shout their mouths off all the time instead of keeping information to themselves to help them through their game !
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 3:36 pm
If Erica could convince Janelle to vote out Will, then Jeff, Michele and Jordan can convince Kevin to put up Nat... I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 4:38 pm
As Kevin would say "Do you think I'm that stupid?" Kevin wants Nat's jury vote. He will wait for the next HOH to boot her.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 4:58 pm
Michele actually did approach Kevin with the idea of getting Natalie out before she went to Jeff; if Jeff had gone straight to Kevin, they might have been able to work out a deal. The other problem, of course, would be getting Jordan to go along with it and keeping her mouth shut around Natalie.
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