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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:27 am
Jury votes wont matter if Jeff can not get to the end. He thinks that if he leaves Russell in the house, Russell would put him and Jordan up and then Nat and Kev would vote him out...
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:33 am
Last night Jeff said he would rather take his chances at F4 against K/N than with M/R. If J/J make F4 then I like their chances with whoever remains after Russell leaves. Jeff also said he cannot worry about the votes until he gets to F2. If the jury does not respect his game play then there is nothing he could say to change it.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:47 am
But how he plays now will determine how the jury will view him. If he gets Russell out this week instead of waiting until final 4, he's lost that vote. If he gets Michele out before final 3, he's lost her vote. If he's in final 2 against either Kevin or Natalie, the only person who will vote for him will be Jordan (except Jesse might vote for him if he's against Kevin).
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:55 am
I think that people have looked forward to the elimination of Jessie's group so it may be hard to accept the idea that Russell will leave first. Also I think that people feel that Jeff and Jordan are being fooled and manipulated by Kevin and Natalie. I'm not sure what Jeff's best move is at this point. By using the veto and nominating Russell he is clearly losing the high ground so to speak. It will be very difficult for him to blame anyone else for breaking a promise to him in the future and he possibly will lose Russell's vote and possibly Michele's vote. His whole decision hinges on the idea that Russell will break his promise to him so he will break his promise to Russell first. If Russell is planning to keep his promise to Jeff, then it is a terrible decision but who knows? Has Russell said anything? Worse, we know (and Jeff should know) that Natalie and Kevin's promise is meaningless.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:57 am
Well, Jordan and "America" (not me!).. there are enough viewers who still side with Jeff that I think he or Jordan would get that vote. Natalie would do even better vs not Kevin, but she'd have to make sure Kevin was booted not by her. Lydia would vote Kevin over Natalie, but if Natalie was with anyone else Lydia has said she would vote for her. Jessie for sure would vote for Natalie. Jordan sure loves Natalie now. If J/J continue down this road, Russell and Michele would vote for Natalie. Kevin probably would vote for Natalie over anyone else. Yep. Once again they are going to pass up the perfect chance to VOTE OUT NATALIE.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 1:23 pm
But how he plays now will determine how the jury will view him. If he gets Russell out this week instead of waiting until final 4, he's lost that vote. I think Jeff would be OK with losing Russell's vote if it means not giving Russell the opportunity to win hoh next week to boot Jeff at F5. Jeff would never be able to live with himself if that happened. I don't think Jeff trusts K/N nearly as much as Jordan but he sees them as the lesser of two evils this week. Jeff's instincts regarding Russell is 100 percent correct, IMO. If Kevin is voted out next and Russell wins HoH, he has the power to turn the house to his favor as Michele and Natalie would side with him to split J/J with Jeff as the target. I know this could possibly happen if K/N win HoH, but it still leaves Michele as an option to target if Jeff is able to be saved by the veto. K/N said as much last night at the pool table if Jeff is saved by the veto, Michele vs Jordan, Michele would go. Jeff is playing odds and he believes taking out Russell this week increases his odds.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 1:39 pm
Jeff is making the assumption that K & N can't win HOH and that's a huge mistake because I think BB will be more then glad to give them a comp they can win and both will put him up in a heartbeat. If Russ goes out this week, there is no one left besides Jordan who would give Jeff a jury vote in F2 because he will lose Michele's vote as well. With Russ, it's a 50/50 chance of being up next week. With N & K, it's a 100% chance. The odds with N & K are only better if you're pompous enough to think they will never win a comp and that will be Jeff's downfall in the end.
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Lajonesin
Member
03-22-2008
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 2:56 pm
Jeff should take out Natalie now. She's running the game behind the scenes, quietly manipulating the emotions of the others, which is all she can do based on her poor performance in comps. With her gone, Kevin will have to side with someone. I don't believe he has any ill will towards J/J other than they are the ones to beat at this point. If Russ wins next week, Jeff can still pull the alliance card and push for Kevin to go. Or Michele wins and he gets in her ear and pushes for Russ to go. Blood is now on her hands. If Kevin wins, he could try to put Jeff out but Russ would have to win POV for it to happen. It's stupid to leave Natalie in the game, but he has no idea of the things we know. Like it's been said, N/K have the jury house, which is what the focus should be at this point in the game. Nataile will be the fly in the ointment up to the end and probably take the game from Michele if she stays. At that point, she probably deserves it.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 4:39 pm
Jeff is really working on losing a vote right now with his treatment of Russell. Russ asked him if he wanted to work out; Jeff said not now, so Russ said he'd wait. Then Jeff said he might now work out tonight. Then Russ was sitting there while Jeff is at the grill, and Russ tried to start a conversation. Jeff totally ignored him. Now, I can understand him wanting to eliminate a competitor, but at this point in the game to treat someone who is supposedly in your alliance as a total outcast is just wrong, and very bad game play when you're sending someone to the jury. At least have him go out thinking it's because you respect him as a player, not because you don't like him as a person!
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:16 pm
I know jeff and jordan have ran a million scenarios but has it occured to them that if they back stab Russell and don't tell Michele first that if she gets HOH next week Kevin and Nat may rat them out. I can see Nat telling Michele how mad Jeff is that she won HOH because he wanted her gone this week.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:23 pm
Jeff does not care about losing Russell's vote. He has said several times that his goal is to make F2 and he will worry about the votes when he gets there. He has also said if he makes F2 and the jury doesn't respect his game play then there is nothing he can do to change that. He's just going to play his game and not worry about the rest.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:32 pm
He is threat #1 next week. His double dipping is going to be his down fall. Has he not seen Russell,Michele and Ronnie all fail at playing both sides.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:32 pm
For once I thought there was a lovable guy in BB and then his true colors came out this week and I can barely look at him. Is this a curse??? Can anyone nice win BB? Do they all have to have such sleazy way of going after the money?? I can't wait for his or Jordan's eviction but if they do end up winning they'll be in a long list of bad winners.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:15 pm
After that post I thought that maybe things would get better, that he was just buying Natalie and Kevin's lies because he was too gullible and ignorant of the game. The blowout he started with Russell was the last straw, his fangs are longer than a giant white tiger. His repeating sentences of "cutting this mother..... throat" were like coming out of an obsessed person. I was in shock!!! Never expected it from a guy I so loved before. I don't know if I'm more upset of being so thoroughly fooled than the fact he is that way. He won HOH because Russell slowed down Kevin and he won POV because he can ran faster than Michelle, so good for him. He made the F4 deal when he thought Russell or Michelle could win HOH and then made the swear on their families to stick to it. But he never could stand Russell and he blindly bought all the lies that Kevin and Natalie sold him. Now all he is doing is threatening the remaining players to play his way or they're out!! Nice going!!
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:41 pm
I finally got a chance to watch the FlashBacks. One thing that really caught me was when Jordan was telling him to suck up his pride. Jeff said, "I f'ing hate f'ing taking the f'ing high road! I hate 'dat." I may have stuck one extra sentence enhancer in there, but you get the general idea. Sometimes, in Big Brother, you have to take the high road. Next week, when the repercussions of Jeff's choices play themselves out, it will be interesting to see how he reacts to having the same thing done to him. I mean, it's just a game. I hope he remembers that.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 9:01 pm
Jeff's gameplay with Russell is illogical. There is no value or benefit for Jeff to get into fights with Russell if he has any hope of getting Russell's jury vote and hope that Russell will not turn the jury against him. Sure Russell feels Jeff has backstabbed him but Jeff fighting him, cursing at him and demeaning Russell's integrity is just bad play on Jeff's part. If he wants to win he should let Russell be angry with him and just take it, the same way that Dan took it from Jerry last year and ultimately ended up getting Jerry's jury vote at the end. Then he should try to make Russell feel better about himself by talking about how he felt threatened by his strength as a player. At least that is something Russell could respect.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 4:10 am
Jeff thinks he is making moves just like Dan did last year. Dan made a F4 deal with Memphis,Keesha and Rennie. Dan worked it so Jerry would take out Rennie. He picked Jerry over Keesha for F4 and that hurt her feelings but there was never any of this I'll cut your throat talk. Jeff is dilusional if he thinks his game has any of the smart classy moves that Dan had in his.
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Kaykohl
Member
05-10-2004
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 4:22 am
Nat and Kevin gave Jeff the justification he needed to get Russ out. He believes N/K because he needed to believe them.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 4:45 am
Jeff never watched BB... so I don't think Jeff is trying to play like Dan. I too don't know what Jeff's strategy is, and I think targeting Russ at this point is a bad move. But then I get to see things Jeff doesn't. Jeff's downfall at this point is believing Nat/Kevin. After all, Natalie has told him many times that she and Kevin are "LOYAL PEOPLE". Jeff didn't realize she meant loyal to the Jessie koolaid. I believe the only way Jeff can save himself after this week is to win every POV/HOH from now to the end of the game, which is a possibility. Jordan is most likely toast next week.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 9:04 am
Kep, Jeff can't play for HOH this Thursday, so he is a sitting duck. I feel he is more vulnerable at this time than Jordan.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 9:26 am
Jeff really should have paid more attention in the Diary Room when they were trying to make him think about why this would be a bad move.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 9:30 am
I am tres disappointed in Jeff. I think America's Choice went to his head! If it is true that power corrupts, then it follows that absolute power corrupts absolutely!
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 9:46 am
Do I think Russell would have gone after Jeff? Yes, at F4 and F3- not next week (Russ doesn't like Kevin, so he'd probably go after him, then Nat). Is Jeff taking Russell out now a good idea? Probably. He might not have had another chance to do so, and he'll going to take his chances with Kevin/Nat (Michelle is the biggest wildcard in all this- she probably will throw it, but her winning HOH would be interesting). If Kevin/Nat win HOH and nom him, he thinks he has a better chance of winning POV than anyone else (although if it is morph-o-matic, I don't know). He's risking Jordan's game though- if he wins POV in this case, I think it would be split 1-1 and the HOH would boot her so they could split the pair...If Kevin and Nat were smart, they would (Jordan would probably win a vote against both of them). Jeff I think is doing the right thing at the wrong time in the wrong way.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 9:50 am
Jeff never watched BB... They are given tapes of previous seasons while in sequester before the show begins. He did watch some of those tapes. And he is not entirely unfamiliar with BB. He's talked about previous situations in previous seasons. Like the burning and launching over the wall of clothes.
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Jenjackso
Member
02-10-2009
| Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:05 am
He said that he watched only Season 3 on tape in the hotel. Jeff isn't letting absolute power go to his head. He doesn't see what we see. Kevin has been a nice guy through the whole game so there's believability there and then that play where Kevin came to share the "lie" that was actually true, and that was a good trust builder with Jeff. They don't see what we see.
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