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Lorry
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08-05-2007

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 6:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lorry a private message Print Post    
What is Jeff thinking? Getting rid of Russ is such a stupid move. Now, he wants to take Nat to the F3. Doesn't he understand the game at all? JURY HOUSE!!!!!He must get rid of Nat and Kevin, take Russ and Michelle to F4 and then fight it out. If Nat or Kevin are in the F2, they have the whole jury. At least with Michelle or Kevin, Jeff would have a fighting chance.
As much as I really don't like her, I think this game belongs to Nat. She's been playing it from the beginning. She was the brains behind Jessie and she has continued to lie and scheme. She never gave up. I don't know if it's because of her semi-pro status in poker that she knows how to bluff or that she is an expert in this game. In either case, she deserves the win, she outplayed everyone (and believe me, this is hard for me to admit).
Jeff is definitely no Dan. Dan always kept the jury house in his head. He played each evicted HG till he was pretty sure he had their final vote.
Jeff just seems focused on getting out Russ. I think there might be some pride there. He is not thinking. Nat has been rude, mean and vindictive since the beginning. Yet, after talking to her for a few hours, she convinced him that she is on his side. He deserves to be put up next week. I still love Jeff and think he is a great guy, but he's just not devious enough to play this kind of game. If Russ goes, Jeff is right behind him next week.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 6:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Great thread Lorry.

We've been saying the same under other threads that Jeff has little knowledge of the game and I was afraid that his luck would run out if he didn't start winning comps. But then he did win and big, he's got all this power and he seems unvincible. We saw how once he makes up his mind to evict someone he won't hesitate doing it, (Jessie) and he may do the same to Russell, with the difference that he will be the backstabber. Russell may have done the same but we won't never know that now.

To want Natalie to F3 is not a bad thing since Natalie doesn't seem to win any comps. What makes him so sure that he will reach F3 is a mystery as well. I think he's all extra confident now because of his power, but he doesn't seem to analyze all the other options. He remains fixated on one thing, Russell out, damn the consequences. Others have done that in the past and won. Maybe Jeff will to... good luck to him.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 6:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
is stupid.

Lorry
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08-05-2007

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lorry a private message Print Post    
Spunky,as for Nat not winning comps. I'm not completely convinced of that. She might want them all to believe she can't win. Dr. Will didn't win anything. Remember how long she lasted in that first comp. Jeff needs alot of luck if he pulls this off. If he does get to F2, this jury will NEVER give him the money.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
He may be snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. He overthinks everything, but doesn't really analyse the situations.

Squeaker
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08-24-2007

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Squeaker a private message Print Post    
I think Jeff listens to Jordan way too much. She clearly has a grudge against Russell and I'm not sure why....He should stick to the f4 plan and get Nat and Kevin out, against either he will loose. What a shame, I like Jeff.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I think Jeff has just gotten too comfortable with having the power. Jeff and Jordan were down and out for three weeks, but they've been getting their way for the past 4 evictions and this week will make it 5. Russell put up Ronnie and kept them safe. Michele did their bidding and kept them safe. Even the audience did their part to keep them safe. Natalie and Kevin must be getting pretty tired of the other side having the power. I'll be shocked if they don't do something about it very soon. Jeff is too busy making bold moves against the physical threats to consider how dangerous Kevin and Natalie are to his endgame.

Lake_gal
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06-09-2004

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lake_gal a private message Print Post    
I guess if Jeff and Jordan get rid of Russell they have Michelle on their side. She would never team up with Natalie or Kevin. And I doubt Michelle could win against anyone. But Jeff really needs to get rid of either Nat or Kevin. They would then have to work with JJ.

My problem is that I like Russell more than Natalie or Kevin. I even think I like him more than Michelle. But he is dangerous to Jeff. AG seems sure he would put Jeff up and out. Too bad Jeff and Russell do not trust each other more. They would be formidable together.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
I think Jeff is making the right move by taking out Russell now. I know people want to see Natalie gone because they don't like her, but this is the right move for Jeff's own game.

Jeff will be a target no matter what if Jordan does not win the next hoh so I think taking out Russell now will make the road a little easier for him when he needs to win pov to save himself.

Stray_cat
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06-21-2006

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 12:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stray_cat a private message Print Post    
I think Jeff is caught between a rock and a hard place. If he keeps Russ and Russ wins HOH next week he COULD target Jeff, especially due to the fact that their talk in the backyard, Jeff pretty much told Russ that Michele was with him and Jordan, leaving Russ in a bad spot with a F4. Russ is a tough competitor and has lied to Jeff regarding the Jesse vote. Jeff also knows that the week Jeff used the CDE, Russ was trying to get Jeff put on the block with him as he thought he might be able to get the votes to stay.

On the other side, if he backdoors Russ and Nat or Kevin wins HOH, Jeff WILL be the target... at least Nat has said this.

I think he'd be better off keeping Russ though.

Muse
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08-09-2001

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 1:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Muse a private message Print Post    
The thing about Russ is that he does tend to keep his word once he gives it. His past actions support that. While Natalie claims that she is so honest, I think actions (Russ being loyal to Casey and Jessie) speak louder than words (Natalie just saying she's honest). So while I think Russ is very aware that Jeff's a threat, ultimately I think he would stay loyal to the final four.

So Jeff is getting rid of Russ (who would keep him safe) over Nat/Kevin (who are already planning their speeches when they put Jeff up next week). He is also losing Russell's jury vote in the process, as well as Michele's trust.

I also think that Jeff is really pushing to make it possible for Jordan to stay over him. He always snaps at her for making him the bad guy, but then he targets/badmouths the two people who like him better than Jordan (Russ/Michele).

I think that Jeff will really regret this move on Friday when he's probably nominated.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Jeff and Kayser have merged and become one in my mind because of their equally stupid game play. It might actually be naive game play, but it comes off as stupid.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
Squeaker ITA!!!!!!! I just ranted about Jordan's grudge in the general discussion area. I'm baffled.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
In every scenario that Jeff runs through his head they all end with him and Jordan sitting in the final 2 with him winning.

Jury votes are not the top of his list because in his mind once he gets the comp threats aka R/M out of the game he will win everything else and evict who he wants.

We the live feed viewers know that Kevin and Natalie have been holding back and that they will not evict each other until final 3.

Jeff breaking his F4 deal before F4 really is not going to get Russell's vote.
Michele may vote for Jeff over Jordan but in the end she will vote for the best player(Natalie)if there is one.

Skylar47
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08-24-2004

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skylar47 a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't have a problem at all with Jeff putting up Russell for pure game play but when J/J made M/R swear on there families live and even went as far as saying if they broke this agreement that he would go after there families..He even said it more then once but yet hes been the one going around telling all his conversations with his final 4 to his new non lying friends...Jeff is making this move based on M/R 's past lies but yet he is forming another alliance with the biggest liars..

Jeff said last night when Russ brought up about the lies and things the other side did to J/J and Jeffs reply was that was then...well Jeffie what M/R did was then. Russell loves his dad and i do believe that he would never swear on his life if he didnt plan on keeping it!! Its just M/O

Skylar47
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08-24-2004

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skylar47 a private message Print Post    
Oh and another...hehe
My dad always said that..

If you hold a man or woman accountable for there words then you need to be true to yours!!

Chere
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08-10-2005

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
Leaving Russ in the game with Michele and Natalie (assuming Kevin would be voted out) would be dangerous for Jeff. Natalie would spill everything to Russell about the backdoor plan only giving him a reason to target Jeff if he didn't already to have one before.

Jeff will be a target no matter what next week because he has turned out to be a huge challenge threat. At least now, with Russ out of the picture, I like Jeff's chances to win the veto to pull himself off the block.

Yes taking out Russ is a risk, but every move now is a risk. I like this move because I have never liked Russ. He has always been a floater playing his own game. The week Jeff had CDT, he asked Jessie to convince Chima to replacement nominee Jeff and that was when R/J were on good terms. Russell's loyalty is to himself and no one else as it should be, but he has done more shady stuff than trustworthy stuff to put himself in this position with Jeff.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
There is a bit of a consolation knowing that Jeff will eventually find out who was really lying and I hope the tv show will air the conversation between Natalie and Kevin that Natalie will nominate JJ soon after Jeff promised her she was safe. And the DR session with Kevin calling Jeff an "idiot" for believing the lie would also be quite embarrassing for Jeff and he may end up laughing it off if he really is the BB winner but if he goes to the Jury House before F3 he will really be embarrassed.

What Jeff unfortunately doesn't realize is that with Russell gone Nat and Kevin have all the Jury votes so far. Michelle should make him see this and Russell should tell Jeff, "why would I come after you when I want Kevin gone and then Natalie?". But Jeff's scared that after F4 it will be hard to get rid of Russell and Michelle. I think it's the "cowardly" way out of a battle that Jeff prefers.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Russell and Michele have both created this situation with their lies.
Michele has not really lied that much to Jeff and Jordan but Jordan is fooled by Natalie's lies so J/J will get what they deserve as well.

Yes Russell is a comp threat and he may try to put Jeff out,but I do not like the threats that Jeff has made or the swearing on the families that he forced on everyone only to break the pact himself.
I liked Jeff because he was honest and a nice guy that is no longer the case.
Hope he goes next week if he breaks his word.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
and Jeff does not want Russell to know he's going up because he doesn't want to show his knife until the very last minute, this is also the "coward" way. If he really intends to do so, he should be man enough to tell Russell, you're going up because I won't be able to beat you later on. He's so afraid of doing this before POV ceremony....

Mimiaow
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05-29-2006

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mimiaow a private message Print Post    
Is there any chance the DR sessions will have the production staff trying to drill some sense into the boy??

I just can't believe Jeff is believing Nat and Kevin. If he gets burned, he's got no one to blame but himself. It's painful to watch. I want to go through the screen and shake him.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I wish I could see him sitting next to Natalie in the final 2 in front of the jury with his mouth gaping open as Natalie explains how her lies ran the house and all Jeff did was do her dirty work for her.
That won't happen because he will be gone next week.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I wonder if Jeff had figured out that there is a great chance both him and Jordan could end up on the block next week.

Say K/N win HOH - put up Michele and Jeff (assuming Russell is already gone) and Michele wins POV - who is left to go up?
It's all what-ifs but I can see that happening.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Natalie and Kevin have already decided that if one of them wins HOH, Jeff and Jordan are going up. Jeff just wants to believe them that he would be safe.

Lorry
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08-05-2007

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lorry a private message Print Post    
I still say Jeff will be making a stupid move getting rid of Russ. Jeff doesn't have any jury votes now, but after he stabs Russ, he will lose his vote also. I just can't believe Jeff is not counting the jury votes at this stage in the game. Dan was all over that! When Jeff sees what he did, he's going to be kicking himself. I'm giving Jeff alot of slack with his dumb moves because he never really watched the show. He said the only reason he was on was his ex asked him to go with her when she tried to get on and they picked him instead. He only watched one season's tape at the hotel so he doesn't really know how this game is played.