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Russell is out of his mind

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Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 4:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
there is 1 type of gameplay that i absolutely hate and that is the get in screaming matches with people and try to intimidate. thats why this season i havent liked russell, chima, natalie or lydia.

like i said, i cant stand chima but during all her insane ranting the 1 thing that i did agree with her is that russell had massive anger issues. Thats how strongly i believe he has anger issues that i agree with chima!!! incredible!

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 4:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Russell has every right to be angry, expressing it with a verbal argument not the best route, he can work on that, but he has every right to be angry. I don't think he has an anger problem, I think he came into the house with a plan to act that way, but in this case, I think he is just angry at Jeff for lying and threatening his family, then playing it off as a joke.

Muse
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08-09-2001

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 4:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Muse a private message Print Post    
I think Russell and Jeff both need to work on anger management. Both have played this game poorly, at least from a social aspect. And both have taken the low road on multiple occasions. I don't think either are in the "right" here. Same goes for Jordan. I think I dislike Jeff and Jordan more than Russell just because I find them more hypocritical, but eh...I'd love to see all three go at this point.

All that being said, I don't think any of them are that bad in real life. I wouldn't be friends with any of them, but I'd be okay with them.

Tvclubber
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06-22-2008

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 4:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvclubber a private message Print Post    
Screaming bad things at house guests ought to be against the rules. It's against common decency. It gets too ugly real fast. It's unacceptable behavior.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 5:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
A house full of nicey nice people would not be very interesting. Not at all.

This is human nature. We see each of them display all their many sides. Some have a nicer side than others. Some have a crueler side than others.

None of them are a hundred percent this or that.

Scribe
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08-16-2000

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 5:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scribe a private message Print Post    
I must say tht Jeff's anger and use of the "i'll stab you and put aknife in your neck" is so vivid that it is concerning. And his anger at Russ and his physical aversion to Michelle is also sartalling - he sure didnt seem that way when he was on the down and out - I dont think that the Coup d'etat got to him, I think that he was holding all of this in - he warned everyone about if he did not control himself - and well I think there really is some serious issue there. Too bad thought they were really doing the smart game - even if he is a bit gullible and has no ability to read people's credibility - his anger is unacceptable - he sounds like a caged animal - i suppose because he sees there is no solution to his not being able to compete for HOH this week and Jordan cant win HOH - and there is no one else he has -

Lajonesin
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03-22-2008

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 5:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lajonesin a private message Print Post    
No, Russell is simply out of time and out of options. One thing we know about Russell is that when his back is against the wall, he resorts to scare tactics and intimidation to face down his opponent. It's what he does as a fighter and probably what he has done his whole life, which is why his father wrote him that wise letter....to remind him of his shortcomings and encourage him to fight a better fight. Funny that after reading his father's letter at length last night, all he could think to do was to goad and taunt Jeff first chance he got this morning.

They should have left him alone in the BY to stew. The best way to handle a tyrant is to remove the power of his audience. Jeff should have sheparded them all into the HOH and locked the door. 'No, we aren't afraid of you Russell, just bored of your threats and infantile rantings.'

Russell's not crazy, he's just another loser that will be eaten from the inside out by his own anger at the world. He has bigger issues than BB.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
everyone has a right to be angry. i have no problem watching a "natural" fight evolve. but premeditated attacks of fighting and intimidation is pathetic in my eyes.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 5:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Does the intimidation include Jeff wanting to slice Russell's neck?

I don't condone the fight, threats of violence against any individual, their family, by no means. This, though, is on both of them, not just one. And BB should have stopped it long before the many insults were hurled.

Russell will have the last laugh when, if Natalie gets her way, Jeff goes out the door after him.

And I am sick of how Jeff has been speaking to Jordan!

Lajonesin
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03-22-2008

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 5:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lajonesin a private message Print Post    
Since this thread is only about Russell's state of mind, I'm not including my thoughts about Jeff.

Smevic
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08-07-2008

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 5:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smevic a private message Print Post    
They are all under quite a bit of stress right now...As for Jeff's "threats" on Russel or anyone else's family and the stabbing stuff...Jeff uses irony and sarcasm quite a bit in his humor and his arguments...Russell was threatening to "mess him up" when he gets to the jury house and Jeff basically said "oh yeah, well I'm gonna stab you in the neck" admittedly childish but not a true threat from Jeff.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Just bc Jeff NOW says he was joking, doesn't mean that in Russell's mind he thinks it was funny. I can imagine Russell can deal with another man saying he'd bust his face, what Jeff said was not about him, it was about Russell's family. And knowing how Russell feels about his family, I think Jeff did that just to set Russell off.

By the way, how is that funny?

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
It's not funny. And it's not funny right now, when Jeff and Jordan are saying critical things about Russell's family in the HOH with Natalie.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
What we are seeing si what BB is all abot--not trying to get people to fight, but what happens to people who are a bit paranoid to begin with by nature when you put them in pretty much complete isolation.

This is the reality of reality TV--exposing human nature by creating a setting that allows people to become "raw". I do not mean to say it's good or bad--just what BB is all about.

In this case, really don't hate the players. The deck was stacked by BB getting people more likely to be effected than not be effected.

I think they succeeded this year.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I have not been watching the feeds, so I don't know if this has happened, but if I were Russell, or Michelle, here's what I would do.

Go to Kevin. Explain to him that if he votes out N, he cruises to the final 3. M, R and K are one alliance, J/J another. Even if Jor gets HOH tomorrow (which is a small chance), she would be more angry with R and M and put them up; R and M would put up J/J. He might worry about voting against Nat, but she, as a competitor might understand AND they could emphasize that if he gets to F2 with any of the remaining 4, he would win easily. Nat is the only one he may not beat.

I do not want J/J to go, but this is what I'd do. I think keeping R is M's only game and keeping Nat could be K's downfall.

Wldviolets
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07-09-2009

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wldviolets a private message Print Post    
Good point Lance. I like your insight. And Oh BTW what is an animoderator? You draw cartoons (animae <------ I can't spell it) to help members?!?!

What555456
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06-14-2005

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I have no trouble with the verbal fights. They happen every year and it is part of the game. They add excitement, in my opinion. Nor do I mind if someone uses them as a tactic, creating the fights.

I do not understand why anyone in the house takes threats of violence outside of the house all that serious. Does anyone really think that Jeff ever intended to hunt down Russ's family and do them harm? I don't and I don't understand why Russ (or any of the other HG's who go crazy when such things are said as they are every year) takes them seriously.

I think we all need to remember we are watching a bunch of immature, overgrown children in this house. It is the same every year. A mature individual would not be in the house because they'd actually have a lives to live and responsibilities to fulfill.

(Full disclosure here, I have liked Russ all along and still do. While I don't care all that much, Russ is the one I'd like to see win).

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Verbal threats have always been tolerated by BB My best example is ED. The things that man said to Jen pale in comparison to this years threats.

Yes, Russ has used intimadation in his game. Can any of us know that is the real Russ, or the other Russ we see more often? Remeber Nat and her phone call? 'Remember Dad, this all for the game, not who I am (paraphrased).' Nat's too good at it. Russell's blustering can be faked by most anyone. A good liar needs practice.

How many real adult conversations have we seen in the house? The only ones I can remember are between Russ and Michele.

Russ really needs to work Kevin and Michele for a final 3. Kevin knows some of the Nat lies, even though he participated and Michele has a final 2 with Russ.

I just don't see Kevin leaving Nat at this point, but if he thought about it, Russ has brawn and Michele has brains......best pick for Kevin. Plus 3 against 1 in the HOH.

So no, Russell is not out of his mind. He is angry and frustrated and staying with his original game plan. Try to make the other HG look bad while arguing with them.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 4:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
So no, Russell is not out of his mind. He is angry and frustrated and staying with his original game plan. Try to make the other HG look bad while arguing with them.

I tend agree with this thread, that Russell really IS out of his mind. He's not making the other hg's look bad (they're doing a mighty fine job of that on their own); He's making himself look bad!

His actions in the house habitually have shown that he does not know how to open up and communicate with his opposition. He seems fine so long as someone is "with" him, but confused about what to say or do if someone is working a different angle. His behavior reminds me of what kindergarten children are like when they are unsure of how to deal with a classmate they feel uncomfortable with!

It would seem that he has not yet matured to the point where he could "fit in" with people natually. So he uses the ONLY form of communication he's most comfortable with ... anger, yelling, and bullying. He prides himself in being able to "break people down" as he confided in Michele several days ago, and I find that sad.

Bravo to any of the hg's who had the guts to stand up for themselves against him and his tirades!

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
You are right Lance, this is what BB is all about. It's not about romance or kumbya moments with cherished friends. BB is about raw emotion. Everyone gets mad in their lives, but handling it when you and the person you are mad at can not escape each other is a social aspect of human emotional response.

We as viewers have our own responses to the behavior of the hamsters. Some of the things they say and do trigger anger points in us as well. What one viewer may see as perfectly acceptable behavior another will just not condone. Our perception of them is based on our human experiences. An example is that I don't have a problem with how Russell went after Chima..the reason is that I watch young women everyday try to use their feminine wiles to get the attention of males. Nine times out of ten if the boy rejects the advances the girl starts telling vile stories about him to staff or friends and it almost always ends up the boys fault. Therefore I tend to side with Russell in that exchange. Another example is Jordan using the term fa**ot, as part of her normal language, as a derogatory slam against gay people. This may not bother some and except her "I'm sorry" as a reason to let her slide. As the mother of a gay man I find the term worse than the "N" word. Therefore, Jordan would never be someone I, personally could tolerate. What triggers each of our personal responses is also part of the BB game. America and their responses to the houseguests are just as important as the players themselves. Those who only watch the show don't get all that the game has to offer, that's why I love this board. Year after year we come here and year after year we are surprised at how we vehemently disagreed with each other one year and are in total agreement with each other the next. Human nature is not always pretty.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
ITA LaJonesin and What.

I think Kevin said it best on the feeds yesterday. He said something to the effect of "Russell makes things too personal. I don't like him"

Me either Kevin.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I do not believe Russell is out of his mind. I do believe that he wants to win 500gs. I do not believe that threats against each other during a verbal altercation is ever going to happen, but are an emotional response to the situation. I also think that if you are not watching the feeds and only reading posts you can't hear the tone or inflections of the language to truly know if it was joking or mean spirted. Usually I don't put the feeds on first or do fbs until I read the boards. They may be talking about an incident that occured ealier and I'll think "wow that was an awful exchange between J/J, they are probably really mad at each other". Then I'll go back and listen to the exchange and it's not angry at all, Jeff raised his voice but he wasn't screaming at her.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
ya this whole "stab you in the neck" is going to ride Jeff like a dinosaur. I heard him say it. I interpreted it as Jeff saying something outlandish because he views Russell's threats as just that, stupid threats. I don't see Jeff as a guy who would stab someone in the throat. I took it as sarcasm. I'm sarcastic and mouthy at times. I've said ridiculous things that I'd never do or even think of doing. But screaming at 4 people and not letting them talk at all during the argument is not my cup of tea. Russell is completely out of his mind when he argues. Does he have good qualities? Sure and I like Russell when he's not being pyscho. Problem is he goes pyscho too much on too many people especially women and I really dislike that.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Russell has every right to be angry and could/should have dealt with the situation differently, but he's not perfect. Jeff, however, is the one who started this whole situation by listening to a lie. Instead of going to Russell when he was first told the lie, Jeff slithered around talking about him behind his back (also Michelle), and seemed shocked and surprised when Russell wouldn't go along with it.

Jeff started walking down the path with Natalie and dragged everyone else with him. And now Natalie is still there, with sparse chances of leaving if Russell goes tonight. Way to go Jeff.