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Monadyan
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07-19-2007

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 3:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Monadyan a private message Print Post    
Feeds 1&2: Kevin sitting in an eviction chair in the living area reading the Big Brother Manual. Pouring over the entire thing, page by page.

Feeds 3&4:
Jessie and Lydia in the recycle room, laying foot-to-foot, with feel entwined. Now he gets up and crawls on top of her giving her a big bear hug.

FOTH

Monadyan
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Monday, August 03, 2009 - 4:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Monadyan a private message Print Post    
Jessie and Lydia retreat to the WC area. He's at the mirrors (where else?) and she's piled out on the chaise. He's applying deodorant to his underarms and he lunges at Lydia playfully and rubs it on her too.
Now he's picking his face and she tells him to stop. They are discussing the veto competition, as have the other HG over the last 2 days. He is explaining that he tried while she didn't. He said she is skating by... he does a little speed skating demo for her in to illustrate. Now he begins to brush his teeth. For those of you who have never witnessed this activity, it is quite lengthy and includes at least 2 minutes of tongue brushing. 100 gallons of BB water is wasted while this carries on. Lydia watches intently as it goes on, and on, and on, and on... Finally the water wasting ends and Jessie wipes his mouth on a towel and proceeds to the WC after knocking. He exits and washes his hands with soap! Wipes hands on same towel and rinses mouth again. (He must have had mouthwash in his mouth since the brushing)
He appears to be getting ready for bed. He is patting Lydia on the head, messing he hair up. They are whispering so that they cannot be heard at all. He is hugging her and patting her vigorously on the head, which she says is killing her brain cells.
He tells her that he is going to bed, ok?
They are walking through the house punching each other, grabbing legs and arms. Kevin, who has closed the BB manual, stands up just in time to get thrown between them. This does not seem to phase Kevin, who continues walking towards the kitchen.
Jessie and Lydia keep fighting and she starts the baby talk. He wrestles her to the ground and is tying her up with what looks like a jump rope.

(WHERE THE HECK IS THE PIT BULL?????)

He has tied her up like a calf in a rodeo. He keeps telling her goodnight but he continues to chase and grab her. She says, I'm trying to get away from you...
They end up back in the recycle room.

In walks Kevin whos asks, are the blankets gone? Lydia says they're right there.
Jessie leaves.
Lydia and Kevin walk onto the veranda and then back in. She says, I think I just became concussed.

Concussed? Kevin says.

Yeah, concussed. He tried to lasso me like a little baby cow and I went up like this and he slammed my head on the floor.

Kevin laughs and says, I think I'm going to bed.
He says he's not tired, so she suggests they play pool after she goes to the bathroom. He doesn't seem interested, so she suggests they have a protein shake together, to which he replies, naaahhh.
She says, do you want to try lassoing me like a cow?
He doesn't seem really interested in that activity either, so he takes the jumprope and begins looping it around the large red buddah in the kitchen.

We have 2 feeds on Jessie who is dressing for the slab. Natalie is in the (on the) slab already. She is WAY over on the side that Jessie sleeps on. He is putting on pants and a sweatchirt and hood. He picks up one of the blankets and throws it over towards Kevin's side of the slab.
He walks up onto the slab and fluffs the pillow and asks Natalie who has turned away from him, are you sleeping?

Back to Kevin and Lydia who have decided to find the cameramen behind the mirrors. They press their faces up to a mirror and try to see inside.
Hey! You can kinda see! Lydia says.
I can't see shit, says Kevin, and we get FOTH, assuming for the admonishment of the spies.

Feeds come back and the spies are in the kitchen gettting windex and then they go over and clean the mirror. (remember the rule... the mirrors and windows in the BB house must be pristine at all times.)

Lydia tells Kevin that she needs a break, an ethics break. How about we fix up the HOH door to where when Russ opens it he walks out into cellophane? Are we allowed to do that? she asks the powers that be, and we get FOTH again.

Monadyan
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07-19-2007

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 5:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Monadyan a private message Print Post    
When the feeds return we see Kevin and Lydia on the HOH balcony saran wrapping the doorway like a spider web. Lydia is tearing off long sheets that Kevin is wrapping across the doorway. They have 2 rolls of saran wrap.

On other feeds we see the slab room and a restless Jessie.

The red room with the usual disarray. It is a particular mess this morning. Piles of items at the foot of all the beds. Shoes can be seen surrounding the first bed which I believe is Lydia's.

Kevin and Lydia continue the webbing and it appears thay are about to have some help. Jessie has gotten up and can be seen walking towards the kitchen. They show Jessie their handiwork and he laughs.
Lydia says, you're gonna tell, aren't you?
Jessie says, do you guys understand who you are f'ing with?
Lydia says, it's a JOKE.
He asks, do you know who you're talking to? He crosses his arms in disapproval like a camp counselor with short sheets.
Lydia says, oh what a tangled web we weave...
Jessie laughs and smiles and turns to go back to bed.
Why did you wake up, Lydia asks. Why are you up?
Oh sorry, Miss I can't wake up... Jessie says. I was like are the **********s doing?
Jessie leaves but stops just inside the door to the red room and leans against the first bed.

Lydia and Kevin are discussing getting caught and Russ being mad. Kevin says, I'm not telling unless he asks and then I'm going to say, SHE did it.
FOTH
Feeds return, Jessie is now standing in the slab room against a wall. He is sitting now on the slab facing away from the cameras.

Kevin says... lets go to bed.
OK, says Lydia.

Kevin crawls in onto the slab where Jessie still sits. The he gets up and leaves again.

10 minutes passes, Kevin tosses, Natalie turns, Jessie sits.

15 more minutes passes, Kevin still awake, Jessie still awake.
Finally Kevin gets up and leaves. He saunters to the WC area, picks up tissues and blows his nose. More tissues, more blowing. Yet more tissues and more blowing. He moves into the recycle room, covers with the blanket, grabs a pillow and closes his eyes.

Monadyan
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07-19-2007

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 6:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Monadyan a private message Print Post    
The cameras watching Kevin turn and look at various body parts, at times zooming in on his face, his foot, etc. This causes him to notice the noise and he turns and starts making faces at the camera. Big eyes, little eyes, up brow, down brow.

We see Jessie up again and leaving the slab room. Walking down the hall, through the kitchen, he peers into the recycle room, walks in, walks out, and is now in the backyard. Back into the house, back to the recycle room. He is wandering around the room touching things, the bike, the mirror. Finally he squats beside a bike and begins to examine it. Kevin arises and looks over at Jessie who is now sitting in the corner behind the bikes. Bike discussion ensues. Jessie tells Kevin he likes how the bikes have belts, not chains.

Discussion turns to the slab and how uncomfortable it it. Jessie says he can't sleep on his side and doesn't know how Natalie can do it. Kevin says he has no energy for anything because he cannot sleep.

Jessie says it's hard to be here, because you're trying to make friends and the same people you are befriending are stabbing you in the back and then if you get nominated, Lydia knows how it is, you are f'ed up for 7 days.
Kevin says he sees people in the house gravitating towards one person because you really need an anchor in here, and Jessie agrees, but says it would be so much easier if you could just be by yourself and think about the game.

Jessie asks Kevin if it was him who was coughing, and Kevin says, yeah, I think I'm getting sick. Jessie says, Michele said she thought she was getting sick, that her throat was getting tight.
Jessie thinks it might be allergies, but Kevin says he has no allergies. Jessie says how about benadryl? Kevin says there is some in the bathroom, and Jessie thinks they might belong to someone.

Game talk, not particular game talk, but how stressful it is, and how it is hard to read people and how there are lots of different personalities in the house. Chima being really vocal, some people are really passive, some confrontational, that it is very situational in here.

Kevin asks him which personality he is, and Jessie says, well... there are some things I can't get past and things bother me, like Laura calling everyone out. Like she had any power.

Kevin says he thought Natalie told production that it would be great to F with him. He told her that it crossed his mind because she came out with the grapes from the competition right after I came out of the DR. She denied it.

Kevin says, if I could be honest with you for a minute? He says, when the have not thing went down, I thought you said that you wanted to slap Lydia, or pop her on the face, and I told Lydia that I thought it was super f'ed up and I asked Natalie about it and she said you were talking about Jordan.
Jessie says her whole rationale for doing it was wrong, so I went in there (DR) and said... when can you do... FOTH (production talk)
He thinks it was because she doesn't like him so thats why he got picked. She did it and came out trying to smell like a bed of roses and it was BS.
(paranoid?) I thought I made it clear who I was mad at and if you took it another way, I'm sorry.
He says it's like being HOH and nominating by random draw. No way would you do that. It is not random if not everyone can participate, it's not random, I'm sorry.
He says again... Jeff should have been on it, but she back-pedaled and somehow got him off it. (I guess he forgets Russ was the one that excluded Jeff)

Kevin asks, so what did (a name here, a DR person maybe) say about the whole random thing? We get FOTH

Monadyan
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07-19-2007

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 6:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Monadyan a private message Print Post    
Jessie talking about how everyone talks about him sleeping all the time, then adds that not a person in there can say he said this or he said that, because he can assure them that he was sleeping at the time.

Then Jessie says someone here is boohooing all the time and palying the game like Dan did. The actual crying hasn't started yet, but it will. Says it is all woe is me, but the way HE is playing the game is not right. The swearing on the bible is not getting it. Cause he's lying now and he was lying then. Jessie says the people you are in here with that you think you'll be friends with later you won't. Because you share this experience with 13 people and if you never see them again, then what was it all for? What did it mean?

Kevin talking about his trust issues and how the game has helped him in a way but that it is very difficult at times. He says the game has pushed him to the limit whereas it never would have happened outside, so this has been a good experience for him, a growing experience. He said it's like a roller coaster, sometimes it's all great and wow! and then sometimes it's like F everyone in the house and the producers.

Jessie asks him if he has ever experienced the fine line between love and hate? Kevin says no...
Kevin says in his life all his friends and family disappeared one day, and he realized that having hate because of it was wrong and he had to learn to let things go.

Jessie is playing with something and making a racket and it's hard to hear him talk.

Jessie says relationships... there are so many fish in the sea and it's hard to be with people that f you up. He says everything is situational and after you get hosed by someone it is hard to bite the bullet and get back on the horse. You can't put together a broken heart, cause always in the back of your head it is there.

All at once, Jessie says, shoot! I got it! He has unleashed one of the bikes!!!!!! No way, says Kevin and we get guess what?????
FOTH!!!!!!

Monadyan
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07-19-2007

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 6:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Monadyan a private message Print Post    
When we come back, Kevin is outside and Jessie is headed to bed. Kevin is walking towards the hammock where he lays down, hanging one leg off to rock himself.

Feed 1 - Pool Room.
Feed 2 - Red Room
Feeds 3&4 - Kevin rocking and staring into the darkness that exists high above the BB house. It is 6:30 in the morning, so maybe it is getting a little lighter outside.

Monadyan
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07-19-2007

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 6:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Monadyan a private message Print Post    
After 20 minutes of rocking Kevin heads back in. Shower time! False alarm, as he steps in and brings out shampoo and conditioner, then prepares to wash his hair in the sink. He is making hot water to do this. He ends up just washing his face, even though the camera pans in close on the shampoo and conditioner he brought out of the shower. He walks out and tries to get in the DR. He's waiting. Finally, the DR door opens and we see him walk in... FOTH

I assume he has gone to ask for medication??

When we return, we see Kevin laying on the chaise in the WC area. After 10 minutes he rises and heads for bed. Jessie and Natalie appear to be sleeping when he enters and crawls over onto the piece of the pallet that have allowed him.

Looks like the house might finally be going to sleep...

Time to go check showtime after dark...
BBL

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
9:40am (lucky I got the day off today)

Ronnie is in the bathroom where Kev is washing his face. Michele is there too putting her contacts in along with Jordan. Ronnie stands there Staring. It would appear he is enacting his "Staring" strategy to them.

Jeff is also there and he stretches his arms out.
The other cam is on the HOH room and the bathroom of such.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
9:40am
(Russ is showering in his HOH)

Now Ronnie stands there brushing his teeth but 'stare' glancing from time to time. No one talks to him.

He finishes brushing his teeth and has rinse in his mouth while he grabs a paper towel to wipe his hands. He goes over and puts some underarm deodorant on. There is silence in the bathroom as Jordie and Michele finishing their contact lens and morning rituals.

Ronnie goes and sits on the bathrooom lounge area and crosses his hands and sits there staring at Jordie and Michele who have their backs to him. Jeff comes out of the bathroom and Ronnie goes into the toilet.

Michele asks if Jeff or Jordie know what time POV ceremony is. They figure afternoon. Jeff then leaves and we see him down the hallwall in the kitchen area.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
9:45am
BB comes on and calls out each of the HGs names and says "Good Morning Houseguests, it's time to get up for the day".

Russ is now seen out of the shower and brushing his teeth and other things at his HOH sink.

Michele is the lone woman in the bathroom now while Ronnie spends considerable time behind the toilet door.

Jeff is getting oj in the kitchen and Russ comes out of his HOH room. He comes out to a web of saran wrap covering his door and Jeff looks up and notices it. Russ comes downstairs and Jeff asks if he knew it was there and Russ says no.

Jeff comments that someone must have been up to some late nite tricks. Russ isn't audible and we don't know if he's ticked off or what. He goes into the SR to get some batteries and comes back out and into the red room.

Ronnie enters the kitchen area where Jeff and Jordie are and Russel joins them there walking through and goes outside.

Chima is seen in the red room also up now. Ronnie has gone back into his bed in the Swim Room while Michele is there getting something from a drawer.

Jeff and Jordie are in the kitchen. Russ seems to have gone to do his morning workout.

Loppes
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07-12-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Loppes a private message Print Post    
9:50am

Michele now walks by the kitchen area and joins Jeff and Jord in there. Jordie comments to Michele that Russ had come out of his HOH and cudn't get out cuz of the saran wrap at first.

Chima now leaves the redroom and goes into the store room for something in the fridge (cereal possibly).

Jordie is washing dishes at the kitchen sink while Jeff prepares toast.Russ is seen outside thru the doors and seems to be jogging as a warm up to exercising.

BB comes on and tells Jess/Nat/Lydia and Kevin to get up for the day.

Jeff goes to the kitchen counter side and sits down to eat as we see Russ periodically running past the perimeter of the back yard area.

Chima enters the kithen mumbling a good morning and disappears from cam view. The others sleeping clearly haven't heard BB's order.

Except for Lydia who now appears in the kitchen. Jeff asks her whats wrong and she says she smacked her head on the floor. Jeff asks her if she did the saran wrap to Russ's room. She looks up and Jeff says "you did it". She denies it.

Lydia says : 'Dude trust me if I did it I would take credit for it"

BB comes on and tells the others to get up and says "Have you changed your batteries?"

Lydia disappears to the store room while Jeff sits there eating his toast. Ronnie is seen lying awake under is covers now. Cams show Michele in the bathroom and Chima is there too. Michele has put her clothes on while Chima walks around in her pjs. They don't talk to each other in there.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Michelle did NOT use the veto.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Kevin in Michelle's bed talking with Lydia.

Michelle walks in and they laugh about her comments at the POV meeting. She said something about giving Ronnie a chance to tell more lies.

(board blip)

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Chima and Jessie nattering on about his plight in one room.

Ronnie, Michelle, Natalie and Russell at kitchen table eating. Jordan at the counter eating.

Russell tells Michelle that she has lost weight and looks good.

Natalie said she doesn't hang around in sweats at home but it is pointless to get dressed up here. She wears jeans and shirts at home.

Ronnie goes to his room and puts on socks and a belt. Someone is in a bed but I can't see who it is.

Camera back to kitchen.

Jessie says his left nut is killing him. Russell tells him you need some relief. Jessie said that train is gone.

Swear, swear, swear.

Whistle, whistle, whistle.

Burp, burp, burp.

Jessie is on a roll with the above comments.

Kevin outside with Lydia.

Kevin said, Russell is f'g with people's heads.

Lydia said, Ronnie is lying and stuff but Russell is too. She told Jeff she didn't do the saran wrap caper.

Lydia said Jordan is using guys to further herself in the game.

Kevin and Jessie took the bike last night and Kevin rode it around. They got in trouble.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Kevin: "I will believe Jessie when he starts telling me the truth."

Natalie and Chima chatting inside.

Lydia and Kevin chatting outside.

Just re-hashing old stuff.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Natalie told Chima that she is not 18 and her boyfriend is 30. Chima loves that she lied about her age and they giggle.

Chima said she didn't really think Natalie was 18. She was more mature. (self-modded)

Chima and Jessie had discussed that Natalie seemed older. (so Jessie didn't fess up about Natalie's age to Chima)

They discuss how Natalie has slipped up about her age and how she covers her slips.

Natalie does live at home with her dad: I have my own room and restroom. I stay over at my boyfriends too. I graduated from college. She is from L.A. area but moved to Arizona 5 years ago. The age lie prevents her from having discussions with others because she constantly has to watch what she says.

Kevin joins them and they immediately change the subject. Kevin leaves.

Natalie lived in Chino. Her mom and sister live in Long Beach.

I went to Arizona with my dad. I went to Cal Poly Pomona before the move.

Natalie decided in sequester to lie about her age. She and Chima agree that it is a good plan.

They both think Jordan will get the Power.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Ronnie joins Chima and Natalie and is assured of their votes.

Ronnie expounds on how BB will handle the Power and the show...

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 2:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Ronnie and Jessie shaking hands.

Ronnie tells Jessie that Natalie and Chima suggested that he try to get Russell to OK Ronnie staying and ask Russell to get Michelle to change her vote.

Ronnie: If I am a victim Thursday night, I can go back to teaching the fall. I want to stay.

Jesse: Russell already has a deal with Jeff and Jordan.

Everybody is at each other's throats.

Ronnie: I am really scared that if I go home this week, that will be the end of you three. I really hate Michelle but I told her that if she votes for me to stay that it will all be water under the bridge. All I care about is actions.

Jessie: Tread softly with that because she will go tell and all hell will break loose.

Michelle outside in her bathing suit.

Kevin and Jordan went to take a nap.

All cameras on Jessie walking around.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

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Jessie goes upstairs and pulls the saran wrap off of the door. Camera goes away so no clue what else he did.

Jeff called to the Diary Room.

Chima in bathroom area.

Ronnie and Chima chatting.

They both think Jeff has the Power because Jeff isn't joking about it anymore.

Chima: Mid-western voters are huge.

Ronnie: He is indifferent since he went to DR last night. I haven't been called in to DR.

Ronnie: I am still going to try to talk to Russell. Tell him that Lydia would put him (Russell) up not Ronnie.

Ronnie: Russell is scared of me and my persuasive powers. That is what he will tell Julie for why he is on the block.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Ronnie tells Chima that Michelle stole his speech so she is a plagarist. (I don't feel like looking up the spelling)

Chima goes to talk with Jessie. Jessie said you can get under the covers. Chima laughs.

Chima wants Russell to come to her. She is not going to apologize to Russell.

Jordan called to the Diary Room.

I'm out.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Jessie and Chima take over the HOH room. Jessie under the covers. He hasn't showered but said he uses a 24 hour deodorant.

Jessie explains life to us again.

I didn't see Michelle arrive on the camera but she is in the HOH room and feeds the fish.

Next I see Michelle laying on the big lounge chair.

Russell walks in and sees everyone in his room. lol

It seems a bit awkward to me but no one moves out for Russell. Chima is the first one to leave.

Russell sits in a chair and eats some chips then gets a drink out of his refrigerator. Looks in the bathroom for bubble bath.

Camera returns and water is running and Jessie is gone.

Russell questions Michelle about some stuff that he has heard. He is mad at Chima again. Russell has heard that Michelle is working with Nat and team. Jessie, Chima and Natalie are really pissed at me because of Ronnie.

Jessie and Natalie keep approaching him to keep Ronnie. They are really mad at me. Michelle said their actions don't change anything. They always wanted you out.

Michelle trusts Russell and I will do my best to sway people for nominations.

Russell said he hates that they bad mouth Michelle without an ounce of truth in their lies. How do you fight that?

They think Jeff would put Jessie and Natalie up.

He is frustrated with Lydia (maybe he meant Chima?). She was trying to rile him up so he would blow up. I recognize these things. I use my brain. Lydia is dumb.

Michelle said everyone just lurks around the bathroom to corner people.

Michelle offers to leave so he can take his bubble bath. Russell tells her to stay and take a nap.

Jeff and Jordan in the bubble room. Jeff apologizes to her for being short with her. He hates to see her cleaning up after those lazy slobs.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
LOL.

Find Chima and Jessie in talking with Natalie.

Michelle just walked into HOH and said she was going to take a nap. They are livid at the nerve Michelle had to interrupt them because it was obvious that Michelle was not welcome up there.

(I love this)

ETA: Russell asked Jessie if he removed the saran wrap. Jessie said yes it wasn't difficult. I think Russell said he was going to leave it there.

Veganking
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07-24-2009

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 4:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Veganking a private message Print Post    
Chima tells Natalie that she received a Bible from her boyfriend as a gift. Natalie didn't like that he did that. Chima said she received several other gifts along with the Bible.
Chima is reading from the Bible. She reads Proverbs 6:16-19 and says his [Ronnie's] picture is here.

Veganking
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07-24-2009

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 5:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Veganking a private message Print Post    
Feeds switch to Lydia and Kevin talking in the pool bedroom. Kevin mentions a mongoose and Lydia says he's a mongoose and I'm a f*n black bear. Lydia apologizes for waking him up. They are making small talk.

Seamonkey
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Monday, August 03, 2009 - 5:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Vegan, I'm pretty sure it was NATALIE who received the Bible and resented it,not Chima. Chima was kind of surprised at what Natalie said.