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Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
on last nights show they showed these comments from russ

1. when Jordan was HOH...if she was smart she should have got me out.

2. if Jeff was smart he would put up Michele and me

3. i've never verbalized it to anyone but i have thought of breaking our F4 deal and putting Jeff up.

right from the horses mouth there is 3 examples of him knowing that its a smart move to get rid of him since he is so strong in comps but yet there is all this outrage on board that Jeff is horrible for making this move to backdoor russ.

WHY?

if i was jeff i would have done the same thing. i certainly wouldnt trust nat/kevin but they have shown to be weaker competitors than russell, so i might as well get him out before he can get me. this week when jeff cant compete, he will have to rely on jordan and michele (i believe he can smooth things out with her) against nat/kevin. if he would have kept russ in then it would have jordan against nat or kev, russ (who i believe would put him up) and michele (50/50, russ would have been in her ear all week to get jeff). i"ll take my chance against nat/kev then against russ.

also if i was russ and i didnt get put up and i won hoh next week, i would put up jeff/jordan for the same reasons as jeff putting up russ. he would have to get jeff out as he is the strongest one left and is in an unbreakable twosome.

if your reason is that jeff/jordan have got a little to full of themselves, I agree with you.

my question remains, how can you make an arguement for someone who in the DR has rebutted your arguement for him?

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Of course he has to say that in the DR. First of all they make him say that, second of all he needs to make himself "worthwile" by saying "good move to get me out", just like Jessie, it'a nother way of admitting he's a "strong" competitor, when in fact Russell was not backdoored because of the "strong" competitor issue, it's something else, it's Jeff and Jordan not wanting him team up with Michelle for F2 and it's because Jeff never could stand Russ. That's all.

The "strong" competitor is a lame excuse by Jeff when the reasons is another one and he's not man enough to admit it. "I don't want you to keep staring at Jordan..."

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Don't blame Jeff one bit for putting Russell on the block.
I just can not stand the crap that Jordan is spewing out of her mouth about Michele.
Jordan is acting just like Natalie when everyone was comparing her to a pitt bull.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
It's called editing in the DR.

Russell has not broken any promises to Jeff. Jeff has broken a huge promise to Russell.

Zgoodgirl
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08-22-2003

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zgoodgirl a private message Print Post    
Saying and doing are two different things. I'm sure all of them think about screwing their alliance over.

The only good thing I can look forward to now is the look on J&J's face when they realize they are on the receiving end of a HUGE screw over.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
Hgs are most honest in the DR. I believe every word that came out of Russell's mouth concerning Jeff and Jordan in his DRs.

Jeff made the right game move. Jeff may never have Russell's vote if he makes it to F2, but Jeff will never have to live with the regret of not taking out Russell when he had the chance to do it. Sometimes hgs have to make moves that they can live with and for Jeff I believe this is one of them.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
How can it be a good move when Russell was not going after him, Natalie is.

If Russell was such a threat, then he should have gotten him out last week, or put him up right off the bat this week. There was no reason for Jeff to swear allegiance to the F4, then backdoor him.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
Stormie, read in between the lines. Russell would have targeted J/J if he won hoh. Unfortuntely for Russell, Jeff beat him to the punch.

Russell's words:
1. when Jordan was HOH...if she was smart she should have got me out.

2. if Jeff was smart he would put up Michele and me

3. i've never verbalized it to anyone but i have thought of breaking our F4 deal and putting Jeff up.

Lajonesin
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03-22-2008

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lajonesin a private message Print Post    
Russell did it to himself. He played fickle through the game, yelled at Ronnie then took him in, voted to keep Jesse but claimed he was not in an alliance with him, and generally made an ass of himself by berating Michele then turning to her for F2. Jeff has no idea that N/K are lying and although he may be naive, he's trying to play his game out. He feels no compulsion to keep a promise to Russell as it appears that Russell won't keep his promise to him through his past actions and deeds. The Lie was a spectacular game move. We hate it because it comes from Nat and there is no love there. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I'm just glad Jeff is getting rid of Russel before Russel gets rid of Jeff. I don't care who wins for the first time.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
All I'm saying... can't wait for JJ to see the videos.

Leafsweetie
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06-29-2005

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Leafsweetie a private message Print Post    
Did no one watch last night's episode? Yes, Russell did say their best move would be to put him up - but not because he was going to put them up but because he sees himself as the best competitor in the game.

He also said that by Jeff not nominating him, he showed Russell that he was staying true to their Final Four pact.

None of the two DR "revelations" point to Russell saying he'd put up Jeff next week.

When Jeff is evicted, and Julie points it out that Russell remained loyal to the F4 - he will feel like a fool. Much like Howie did.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Stormie, read in between the lines. Russell would have targeted J/J if he won hoh

Up until the F4, Russell was not going to target Jeff. The only reason Jeff keeps saying that, is bc Kevin and Natalie told him that and he believes them, but it's all a lie. Then Jeff now says that Russell broke the F4 deal by making a F2 deal with Michelle, but Jeff has made a F2 deal with Jordan, which, by his thoughts, means he did the same thing. In actuality, one has nothing to do with the other. Jeff makes no sense.

If Natalie wins HOH, she has said she is going after Jeff.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
This has nothing to do with Russell for me, it's a game, but I hate to see Natalie and Kevin skate to the end. They have never had to bloody their hands and they couldn't come up with any stategy except suck up to the NBK and make up stories.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
It's not over till it's over! lol, I agree that if Russel would have gotten hoh next week(this week) he would put up Jeff and Jordan.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
No, Russ would not have broken the agreement. It goes to show you that Jeff doesn't give a darn about swearing on the families but for a middle-eastern man like Russ it means everything.

and he admitted to Michelle that he was going to honor the F4.
Jeff was just pissed that Russ dared make a F2 deal with Michelle. That's all. Plus all the lies of Natalie and Kevin and even a not so smart fellow like Jeff can fall for it.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Oregon- I agree 100%
I have been saying it all along. I love J/J.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Natalie and Kevin made up that lie about hearing Russell and Michelle saying they were going to get Jeff out this week. How does that lie translate to Russell actually doing that?

Frustration started when Natalie was not evicted last week, bc of the LML she created to stay in the game. Jeff has not only been duped, he is behaving worse than Jessie.

Natalie and Kevin are planning to evict Jeff next.

Leafsweetie
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06-29-2005

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Leafsweetie a private message Print Post    
I don't believe that Jeff can have the gall to be ticked at this F2 between M and R, when he had a promise between J/J/L/K, J/J, and J/J/K/N.

And I know you don't need to be a mathmetician to go into the BB house, but F4 is before F2.

Jcsquared
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07-24-2009

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jcsquared a private message Print Post    
I think Russell will come to Jeff and tell him he understands why Jeff put him up, not that he likes it, but that he 'gets it' ----he is a volitle person...blows up and then calms down and gets his head about him...I wouldnt be surprised if they dont have a "man to man" chat and cooler heads will prevail...I am also thinking Russell will amp it up a notch...talk-wise, i think he is fully aware that NO ONE responds to his screaming, but rather when he rationally expresses himself...I defintiely think Russ will stir up all kionds of crazy sh*t....I am not counting him out yet...Thurs is a long time from now in BB-time.....personally, I hope Nat's lies catch up with her and now that Russell has been put on the defensive, all bets will be off....imho

Gabbybbfan
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07-17-2009

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gabbybbfan a private message Print Post    
Thought michelle and russell were talking last week in the splish splash room about getting rid of jeff when jeff walked in. It was on the tv show. All of them want rid of jeff so he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. The bad thing about russell for J/J is his ability to float between alliances and it would be no big deal for him to join up with the others to target J/J. He's good at that. Think the J/J luck may be running out though and kevin's time may finally come this thursday. It's just a game. A lot of money yes, but Jeff will take it well if he's evicted because he sees it as a game.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Natalie, Kevin and Lydia planned a lie to get Russell out last week and keep themselves in the game; Natalie and Lydia were on the block at the time and Natalie was the front runner to go, in the house and with many BB fans. Kevin was to approach Jeff with the lie and Natalie told him, 'once you tell the lie, you must stick to it no matter what.'

The gist of the lie was Kevin said to Jeff, that Lydia and Natalie told him they heard Michelle and Russell talking in the SS room about evicting Jeff next week (which would have been this week). Jeff then told Jordan. Then J/J approached Michelle and told her that THEY (Jeff and Jordan) heard she and Russell in the SS room talking about evicting Jeff.

Lots of other stuff has happened since that point, but it all stems from the LML (last minute lie) via Natalie and Kevin.

Jeff now gives the excuse that M/R were planning for F2 together, which to Jeff means Russell went against F4, however, Jeff has been planning F2 with Jordan, so what he is saying makes no sense and really has nothing to do with F4.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
All I'm saying... can't wait for JJ to see the videos.

Everything J/J need to know about Russell they saw with their own two eyes in the house. Russell has been SHADY from the start. He has played sides, made several F2 deals and lied when it was not necessary. Simply, Russell is just not trustworthy.

The only word Russell kept was to not put up Jeff and Jordan when he won hoh and that was only a byproduct since his target that week was Ronnie. So J/J benefited from Russell's hoh in the same way Russell benefited from the CDT -- Russell being technically saved was secondary to Jeff targeting Jessie.

Russell lied to Jeff about not being the 2nd vote for Jessie to stay even when Jeff pressed him to tell the truth. When Russell finally admitted to the vote, it was days later after he felt like something was not right between him and J/J. Jeff lied about keeping his word about the F4 agreement, so now they are even.

Bottom line, regardless of the LIE, Jeff's move is not so much about Natalie and Kevin tricked Jeff into keeping them, it's more about Natalie and Kevin are considered lesser comp threats so why not keep them? Jeff said this the same night he won pov.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I'd say ... the last to laugh always has the best laughs! and it ain't gonna be Jeff.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Why was Russell obligated to tell Jeff he voted to keep Jessie in? He was not aligned with Jeff, and chose to keep that information to himself until he chose otherwise.

When Russell, Michelle, Jordan and Jeff aligned for F4, all cards were on the table, including Russell voting to keep Jessie. They all swore to not put each other up and go to F4 together. Why does Jeff keep bringing it up now, when it had already been resolved?

Why is it that Jeff and Jordan can plan for F2 together, but not Michelle and Russell? And do Jeff and Jordan really believe that Natalie and Kevin are not planning to go to F2 together? Moreover, what does F2 have to do with F4, F4 was the original alignment.

Speaking of lies, why hasn't Jeff told Russell and Michelle he and Jordan have made a F4 deal with Kevin and Natalie?