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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 6:50 pm
It's not always what a person does, it's how the person does it.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 7:10 pm
If to play the game is to buy Natalie's lies, well done Jeff!
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 7:28 pm
What I don't get is, Russell throughout the game was mouthing off and pulling all kinds of stunts. He made fun of Jeff and didn't like him when he was w/Jessie. Then he didn't like Jessie and went to Jeff. He ripped on Ronnie and then secretly made plans with him. He ripped on Chima and no matter how bad she behaved, everyone was having fits regarding him treating a woman like that. Then he rips on Michelle and the next week it's all forgiven??? Only because Russell knew it was to his advantage in the game to make nice. It's still the same Russell who switched sides as many times as he switched his underoos! LOL Suddenly, he's "saint Russell" and Jeff and Jordan are so wrong to doubt him. We see what Natalie says behind his back, he doesn't. The "once cute little Jordan" is now being ripped apart because she talks too much and oh.... she's getting "fat." Wow, I always thought it wasn't a great thing to pick on young women for not being skinny? I'm sure she'll take it off as fast as she put it on when she gets out of the house. I find it really distasteful to denigrade her about her weight since she doesn't look that bad and I know she looks a heck of a lot better than I ever would. Jeff and Jordan started playing the game. Maybe they're making mistakes, but they're playing, so now they're awful power-hungry jerks. Russell is now without fault seemingly. Hmmmmmmm... I don't know, but I'd rather be around a guy like Jeff who has only recently lost his cool wtih the pressure of it getting toward the end of the game and having to make decisions. Russell scares me he could go off at any time as demonstrated previously. I don't hate Russell, but I don't see how he gets all this sympathy now. It sure is confusing to me.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 7:49 pm
He's not saint Russell. This all began with most people wanting Natalie out and then her lie kept her in the house. Jeff and Jordan wanted to align with Michelle and Russell, supposedly to ban together to get "Jessie's" people out. At that point they put all their cards on the table, "supposedly" forgave past actions until the F4. Most people realize that when F4 happens, all bets are off, but they had a deal until then. All of a sudden Jeff buys into Natalie and Kevin's lies and is bringing up all these past actions of Russell, trying to justify why he wants him out now. Some people, though, think he wants Russell out bc of competitions, but I think if that was the case, then he should not have aligned with him to begin with, and just put him up. Jeff has now aligned with Russell twice, and broken that alignment twice. Jeff has been behaving worse than Jessie. Russell, though, has redeemed himself with many and has shown a different side of himself. He's not perfect by no means, but he does deserve a second chance right now. Hopefully if he's going Thursday, he'll just go. This is really about Natalie, though, for me anyway.
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Kalekona
Member
06-12-2005
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 7:51 pm
The higher you are the harder you fall. Fans loved Jeff because he was funny and humble. Russell was harder to like because he was with Jessie and was a hot head. But there was always something honorable and kind just below the surface with Russell. Swearing on family may mean little to most but we saw what it meant to Russell when he gave his word to Jeff in the endurance comp- on his father that he would not put up J/J and would get Ronnie out. Russ took that promise seriously and he followed it through. So when he believed Jeff was a man of honor and made the F4 deal he meant it. And he believed Jeff did as well. Russell is no saint by any means but he deserved better from someone he respected. this is the first time I have wished my favorite HG had been evicted so I didn't have to see the illusion of a great guy destroyed. And to be honest Russell's temper is no worse than Jeff's except I believe Russ would never hit a woman, I can't say that about Jeff anymore.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 7:56 pm
I've never been crazy about Natalie myself. I would like to see her go just as much as anyone. Perhaps Jeff deserves another chance just as Russell has been given many "2nd chances?" I don't see Jeff as anywhere near how Jessie was behaving. At least Jeff has made his own moves. He didn't have all the girls make them for hiim and then take credit for it like Jessie did. I guess i just find it hard to read all the negative things about Jeff and Jordan when it was so pleasant when we were all on the same side. For me, it was more fun then. ;)
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Jadajean
Member
03-23-2008
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:01 pm
If Jeff and Jordan weren't behaving like they are there would be nothing negative to say about them.
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Skylar47
Member
08-24-2004
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:03 pm
This last fight that went on in the house due to J/J deciding to renig on there final 4 plan..which they made R/M swear on there families lives and told that if they put them up they would go after there families... Now i know that Jeff really wouldnt go after there families but why make a deal like that to someone you dont trust>?Its not the fact that Russell went up its the fact that Jeff made the big deal about them breaking this deal and they were the ones to do it... J/J are putting M/R down for lying but yet they are doing most of it right now..They fault M/R for having a final to but yet they had a final 4 with M/R/J/J and final 3 J/J/M and also a final 4 with K/N/J/J and that was all before this last hoh comp...Why is it all right for them to better there games but R/M arent allowed.. Now Michelle is running scared because if they cant keep there final 4 with them then the chances are not good with there final 3,, BB made J/J look like some cute little couple that never did wrong and i am mad because they showed Russell go off on Chima..They showed Chima go off on Russell and they showed all the Ronnie and Russell stuff...Why didnt they show the Jeff stuff? Jeff has a problem with anger also because he threatened to cut Russells throat..I know Russell threatned to mop Jeffs face up but thats a far cry from Cutting someones throat with a knife...he said it more then once too!!!
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:06 pm
ITA Watching, well put ::applauds::
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:21 pm
Jeff, though, hasn't done anything to redeem himself. He portrayed himself as this nice guy and now has been showing a different side of himself, a very negative side, nice guy Jeff hasn't been see in a while.
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:29 pm
Jeff got his 2nd 'chance' when America gave him the CDE. Got his chance again when Michele went up and put up Chima who he wanted gone. Got his third chance when Jordan took HOH and he took the vacation from Russel. Got his 4th chance when he became HOH and made a deal with the 'devil'. He's run out of chances from where I view him.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:35 pm
Watching ITA with you about Russell as well. He is no Mr Nice Guy at all. I for one will be glad to see him leave.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:49 pm
Why does Jeff hate Michelle's baby toe?
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:55 pm
Stormie...He says it curls around and the nail is practically under her foot, touching the ground. That, and he needs a reason to hate her to turn against her, and her toe is as good a reason as any.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 8:57 pm
Skylar - They ended the show tonight where they always do. The blow up (if they can edited enough due to all the profanity) will be shown on Thursday's show. I'm not sure how far they will go with showing what was said due to the show being on at 8pm though. I'm sure they'll show something, tho'.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 9:13 pm
Thank you Bee, I was being snide and sarcastic, bc it was such an insult to all baby toes I agree, he is looking for things to dislike Michelle with, maybe he realizes Natalie might be playing him, and is trying to justify his loyalty change, lol.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 5:54 pm
Julie Chen "was it a good move to get you out?" Russ "yes" when i brought up that russ said 3 times in DR that it was a good move to get rid of him now, i was told it was DR EDITING. so tell me now how the live show was edited or how julie chen tricked him into saying it. your own hero admitted it was a good move, please own it now
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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:06 pm
Oregon...Russ may *think* it's a good move but he hasn't seen what wee see of K/N, so he's misinformed.... I still maintain Jeff would have a better chance with Nat gone....but it's a moot point now. Jeff could still win, but Nat is positioning herself superbly....
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:10 pm
I agree, KM. Based jn what Russ knows, this looks like a good move for Jeff. Once he realizes that Jeff is likely on the block and out the door next week unless he saves himself, it will into look like such a good move. Somehow I see Russ and Jeff becoming far better friends once they are both in the jury house together next week that Jeff has been with Jordan. Set aside the competition and there is much each will like in each other.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:18 pm
Thinking it's a good move and having someone go against their word to you are separate issues. If I didn't know about the LML, I'd question going against his word and why he didn't just put him on the block, but I might think it was a good move too. Jeff can't see Natalie, so, Russell may be seeing Jeff soon.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:37 pm
I don't know if Jeff getting Russell out was a good move or not. What I do know is that his reasoning for doing it and how he did it was not good at all. He could have evicted Russell in a much better way and probably kept Russell as a friend and also got his vote on the jury. Instead Jeff did it in a miserable way by questioning Russell's integrity and his commitment to family and it may cost Jeff the game.
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Laneesmom
Member
05-12-2005
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:40 pm
what's LML?
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:44 pm
LML = Last Minute Lie, which was what Kevin and Natalie call the lie they conjured up the other week.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 6:59 pm
i just get frustrated at some point in every season when just because so and so is your favorite that "some" cant see the flip side to things. its like russ can say 1+1=3 and "some" russ fans will defend it no matter what and i just wanna bang my head against the wall. obviously im with jeff on this one but i can state that i think jeff has made multiple mistakes imo throughout this week. like seemingly trusting nat/kev 100% not buttering up michele all week when he knew he would probably BD russ. becoming paranoid, becoming a little to full of his power. take off the rose colored glasses! LOL
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 7:03 pm
This was never about Russell, it was about Natalie. Natalie is coming after Jeff and he just doesn't see it. Jeff went from a solid alliance to the F4, to keeping the one person who wants him gone--Natalie.
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