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Sassyza
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09-03-2009

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 9:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassyza a private message Print Post    
Yes - - Jeff was being real in his interviews but what it came down to was he was not a strategic player for all the reasons stated in Stormie's and Chippy's posts.

I also don't believe Jeff was thinking Russell was going to go after him until Kevin planted the seed - - then you saw his wheels turning and the paranoia set in. If Jordan was thinking and not getting swept into the paranoia, she may have been able to do something to ease his mind.

I just watched Michelle's interview with Ross and she hit the nail on the head. She SHOULD have done what was needed to do to get Jeff to change his mind and she didn't do it. Her biggest mistake in the game.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Except in reality, Michele couldn't have changed Jeff's mind because he was too suspicious of her and her alliance with Russell (even though they were all part of an alliance of four). If Michele had tried to keep Russell, Jeff would have turned on her (even more than he did) because it would have "proved" to him that they were together and that somehow made them against him.

Peepinagain
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07-23-2005

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 9:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Peepinagain a private message Print Post    
Jeff being strategic was hmmm... Russell could be a problem for me in a comp but the rest I can beat! He said that himself, he said the worst that can happen is I go on the block but I still can play for the veto so my fate is in my hands.

Anyway F4 would've only worked if they all stuck to the plan. Don't think Russell would've done that. And yes if Michelle was stronger in her defense of Russell it would've made a huge difference (like talking numbers and don't you think they want us to turn on each other etc) and maybe gotten Jor on her side and then I think Jeff would've eventually listened. As it was no one really helped Russell, not even Russell. Russell acted guilty because he was thinking about what he was being accused of. Jeff wasn't buying what Russell was selling.

Sassyza
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09-03-2009

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 9:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassyza a private message Print Post    
~sigh~...Merrysea

I think you're right. Probably the only way to have convinced Jeff would have been to prove that Natalie was a liar. Even in talking to Ross, Michelle said Natalie was a liar but I'm not so sure she knew exactly what lied she told.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 9:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
There is nothing to consider, I stand by everything I said. Jeff screwed up, made an alliance with the other side of the house and threw his own alliance away. Jeff made a mistake worse than Marcellus ever did.

Peepinagain
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07-23-2005

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Peepinagain a private message Print Post    
I would think that too Stormie if I didn't consider anything Jeff was thinking and going through at the time.

Sassyza
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09-03-2009

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 10:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassyza a private message Print Post    
Peep - - I never understood that about Russell. Had he sat down and talked to Jeff, would he have been able to convince him that he was making a mistake (which he did...big one)?

When Jeff pushed the conversation after the veto was used and Russell was put up, Russell should have stayed calm and said I understand why you did it but you've got it wrong, we need to talk. But no....he went ballistic and then the next fight was worse. His fate was then sealed as was their F4 alliance.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Jeff stopped speaking to Russell and Michele. Jeff and Jordan made up a lie and told Michele that they overheard something and now didn't trust her. Jeff never went to Russell and told him what Kevin said. They all had a hashout in the BR and gave their words yet again. Jeff broke his and thus the alliance. Jeff wanted to rub it in Russell's face, he should have waited and let Russell calm down before approaching him. And speaking of calm, Jeff should not have said he was going to stab people, neither was very calm.

Peepinagain
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07-23-2005

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 11:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Peepinagain a private message Print Post    
Nope they weren't calm and 500,000 was in play. I would've been calm either. And yes if Russell calmly sat down and they talked I think it would have been a different story. Unfortunately NO ONE sat down and presented ANY logic to Jeff. And after being in the house for as long as he was I totally get why he did it. Just wish Rus and Mich would've had a sit down with him. Maybe Russell could've won the veto and taken Jeff off now that would've totally solidified the F4 but nothing really solidified the F4.

Sorry guys gotta hit the hay I live in NY and I have to work tomorrow.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 12:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
Stormie you make it sound like F4 deal was a rock solid deal that had been in play for several weeks when in fact it was created out of unique circumstances during Michele's very brief hoh and it only lasted for a couple of days. Michele winning hoh opened the door for J/J and Russell to finally work together as an alliance even though there was a level of mistrust among the four that was established as early as week one between Russell and Jeff, week three (Casey's eviction week) between Michele and Jeff, and week four (Russell's hoh) between Russell and Michele after the GRL.

Not long after Jordan won hoh, Michele started telling J/J that she would spend more time with Russell to make him trust her more. During that weekend whatever information Michele received from Russell she would tell J/J and some of it she embellished. At the time I thought that was Michele's way of gaining J/J's trust, but it backfired on her when she started telling J/J about the fake F2 deal she made with Russell. Michele overplayed her hand and Russell lying about voting for Jessie is what set off Jeff's paranoia towards Russell and Michele. Kevin adding the thinly veiled lie at the right time was the straw that broke the camel's back, as they say.

I honestly do believe if Michele had the benefit of a full hoh week, JJMR would have had the time and space needed to build a level of trust with each other. That F4 deal, at the time, was born out of circumstances, not trust. The dysfunction between the four that was established early in the game ultimately was too much for them to overcome in such a short period of time. Jeff will always be blamed for Russell's eviction, but JJMR all had a hand in the dysfunction and inadequate communication that led to the failure of a great alliance that could have been.

As a J/J fan I will be the first to admit that they were short-sighted to not see Kevin and Natalie were obviously playing them because their backs were against the wall, but Jeff and Jordan were completely justified in their mistrust of Russell and Michele.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 12:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
All of this Jeff, Russell stuff has been hashed and rehashed to death.

Anyone have any expectations on Micheles welcome to the jury house?

Chere
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08-10-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 12:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
I expect Michele, Jeff and Russell will hash and rehash what happened between them and eventually realize that they were all played by Natalie who has been in control of the game since day one.

Mummy35332
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09-09-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 12:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mummy35332 a private message Print Post    
Now I want corned beef hash and eggs.

Tissy
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07-28-2003

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 12:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tissy a private message Print Post    
I expect Michele, Jeff and Russell will hash and rehash what happened between them and eventually realize that they were all played by Natalie who has been in control of the game since day one.


They`ll kick themselves that they overlooked the real game player in there !!

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 1:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
Stormie you make it sound like F4 deal was a rock solid deal that had been in play for several weeks

I never said, implied that, nor do I believe that. I've already mentioned when I thought the alliance took hold and the amount of time I thought this all unravelled.

The bottom line is, Jeff had a F4 alliance with Michele and Russell, then threw it away bc he let Kevin get inside his head. In doing that Jeff sealed his fate. Jeff's ego got in the way of him realizing that Natalie and Kevin were not going to keep him in the house. Lydia left, Natalie stayed, Jeff screwed up.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Stormie, ITA

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Nothing about the lie that Kevin told Jeff made any sense whatsoever if Jeff had only given it a little thought. Then Jeff further twisted it by telling Michele and Russell that he had heard their conversation rather than Kevin. The whole thing made no sense whatsoever and somehow Jeff bought it. For a start, why on earth would Kevin and Natalie care to tell Jeff that Russell was going after him? They would be cheering Russell on instead.

Penny
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07-14-2009

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 7:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Penny a private message Print Post    
Stormie. I love your "bottom line" i.e. "jeff screwed up" . He sure did that. Why he ever trusted Nat & Kevin is beyond me, and IMO he deserves to be where he is. He certainly did not show any great game play at all. I think he should have spent more time finding out what was really going on around him & less time discussing spider mating habits!!! lol

Panda
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07-15-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
Big mistake was getting Lydia out before Natalie.


jimmer - I agree!

Chere
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08-10-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
I'll say this and will move on, in the end, Jeff paid dearly for his decision to not probe deeper to find the real truth behind what Kevin told him, but his mistrust for Russell and Michele were not unfounded based on his previous experiences with them individually and collectively. Jeff is guilty of not being discerning player of the game, but he was not wrong to follow his own instincts.

Ultimately, we will always watch the same exact feeds with different perspectives and biases. I will always feel one way and many people will feel another. I accept that. It’s why I return to this board every summer for the last four years to converse with people who share in my super secret summer obsession.

Peepinagain
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07-23-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Peepinagain a private message Print Post    
ITA Chere!

Stormie ~ If I totally threw out what Jeff was thinking and feeling while he was in there, I would feel the same way you do.

Peepinagain
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07-23-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Peepinagain a private message Print Post    
Sorry I thought my post from before didn't post! I really can not give any credit to Nat and Kev for getting Jeff to believe anything. Jeff already was thinking these things about Russ BEFORE Kev came to him.

Oh and Jeff told Mich and Russ he overheard the conversation so he didn't implicate Kev BUT remember neither one DENIED HAVING the conversation! Russ was caught and he couldn't deny it because he thought Jeff overheard a conversation with Michelle.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
OHMYGOD.... JEFF FACED THE ENEMY... You could tell he was a bit shy.. not knowing how to approach them at first but seeing Russell so laid back he got a bit of courage and kept face, however Jessie was the usual ... yeek self, all those muscles in front of Jeff as he arrived... yeek!!!

I want to see Michelle's arrival!!!!

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I think Jeff was classy. He said "I got got." This is the Jeff I , not the one with "HOH-itis".

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
I loved seeing Jeff again!!!!!