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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 11:51 am
Emm119, the ebay account selling her stuff isn't hers but most likely a family member, her boyfriend or one of his friends. They show pics of her signing the articles. So even though it's not her account she's the one who signed the stuff and had it put up. The disclaimer says a lot.
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 11:56 am
I just looked at the Ebay items for Natalie, still no bids, but what I want to know is why would anyone buy items Natalie actually wore when her hygiene was/is so poor? She never bathed for at least the first half of the season; she may have bathed moreso during the 2nd half I'm guessing, but for certain the 1st half her hygiene was nasty. I just don't understand why she or anyone else would think someone would want to buy it, and for whomever does buy it, then why oh why when as nasty as her hygiene is?! Washing it just isn't enough, IMO. One more question, I'm guessing Natalie is hispanic due to her last name, but I recall her telling Chima she was "black." Is she mixed or was she lying?
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Aerojunki
Member
06-30-2004
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 12:02 pm
I think she said her mom was black and her dad was Argentinian
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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 12:41 pm
Thanks Aero.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 12:55 pm
She says she has a lot of fans out there...they should be stampeding over there real soon to start the bidding war!

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Ahnicka
Member
08-08-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 1:11 pm
Delusional
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Cheekychops
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 1:16 pm
Delusional is right! She states in one of those interviews that Jesse was IN LOVE with her. Did he ever say that to her? What gave her that impression? I guess that was her way of rationalizing why he didn't vote for her. Cause he was upset that she was engaged and there was no hope for him outside the house. As for BB televising Nat's wedding or helping to pay for it. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. Especially since she was very disliked in and out of the house. No one gives a crap.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 1:26 pm
"Apparently he and Natalie shared some talks about this and it's possible we missed some (even with feeds). She genuinely seemed to fear his reaction to her engagement and from what I saw, she was right to fear it." I wonder why she made it a point to tell Michele to let the jury know that she got engaged, then? She really, really wanted them to know for some reason. Did she not want Jesse's vote? Or did she think she had this thing all wrapped up without it?
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 1:41 pm
i think Natalie wanted to make Jesse start a fight with her boyfriend
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 1:44 pm
Assuming Natalie is telling the truth, Yah what are the chances , and Jesse really was jilted, denied, hurt ... she certainly doesn't take the high road. I mean geez kick a guy when he is down. How about... simply saying, 'Whether he voted for me or not, I will always cherish the time Jesse and I had together in the house. He was a true friend. Jordan was awesome and I am sure Jesse had good reasons for voting for her' then hold your head high knowing you have your twist-tie ring on.
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Cheekychops
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 2:18 pm
Bon, next time I need to give a good speech, I'm calling YOU! hahaha! Well said!
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 2:30 pm
Natalie blew her jury questions PERIOD. Lydia,Russell and Michele all asked questions that gave her a chance to point out that HER lies drove the game. I think Nat either just lies for fun and it was not part of her strategy or she really believed she did not have to lift a finger to win against Jordan. Wrong,wrong,wrong. The jury wanted to hear some strategy and she gave them none. Russell gave her way to much credit because he thought Jordan had not even tried to play the game. Kevin voted for Nat because he personally knew some of her big moves. Jordan won because she won more comps and had the sense to evict Kevin,who would have won if he had made F2.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 2:40 pm
Rose, I'm just guessing but I think she didn't want him finding out later so he could maybe digest it and get over it. Right or wrong, I think she honestly believed Jesse would be upset by it although she really did always tell her that she had a serious relationship. Also, I think she was always sending Jesse messages trying to make him proud... like Jeff. And of course the nomination show when she put Michelle up. I can't help but think that friendship doesn't come easily or naturally for Natalie and maybe that explains why she went so overboard for Jesse, Ronnie, and Chima in particular. She really did regard them as friends, not just allies in the game. In fact, her vengence for them messed up her game and so did her engagement. I know Jason meant that to be all special and romantic or whatever, but he really didn't do her any favors in the game. What guy is being kicked while he's down? Jesse? I'd say he kicked her to get her down to his own level. And Jesse can talk all day long about all his imagined reasons for voting for Jordan and I'd say to him, you will NEVER have someone more devoted to you than Natalie was in this game. All he proved to me was that he wasn't worth her loyalty. Noone disses Jesse and doesn't suffer the wrath of bitter... we know that. And Lydia, if she wanted to hurt Natalie in the game, she could've outed LML to the jury. It was personal. Kinda like he's my man and you ain't gettin this hunka hunka burnin' love. Ok... I've made myself sufficiently ill now. lol
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 3:01 pm
I think that's an interesting point, Chippy. Natalie was extremely loyal to Chima. There was nothing strategic about that. She was also very loyal to Jessie and devastated when he was evicted. No strategy there either. So I think that her loyalty to these people was one thing that she didn't lie about. I think that Natalie played an excellent winning game with a few major flaws in her strategy. One of them was what we are talking about above. She got too close to certain players and remained loyal to them even when they could no longer help her and her loyalty hurt her chances. A related mistake was taking those players into confidence about her true age. She should have thought the age lie through more carefully and never revealed it to anyone. All it accomplished was making the jury feel stupid – not a good plan. The whole engagement thing was pointless. She shouldn't have revealed that she got engaged. Her last mistake was manipulating the other players and at the same time being nasty doing it. There are very few people who will enthusiastically endorse someone who has made them look foolish and it is even more of a bitter pill if the person doing it was nasty about it in the process. Manipulating other players to get to the end was a good strategy – the nastiness wasn't. Finally, playing under the radar but being nice worked well for Jordan. Playing under the radar and being nasty did not work for Natalie.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 4:49 pm
Excellent points, Jimmer, all of them. One thing I'd ad is the gender bias thing. IMO, males can play nasty and get a pass, moreso than females. That'll never play for America. Thing is, I doubt I'll ever make sense of Jesse's two votes (I firmly believe Lydia would have voted any way he wanted her to vote) except to believe it was a man scorned or rather a legend scorned. lol And I can't for the life of me figure why Natalie brought up the engagement at all. It was so simple for her to say she opened the box and got punished (no veto play) and so did the houseguests. But... as we've seen with Natalie from the get-go, she does MUCH better with planned out, well rehearsed lies than she does with the spur of the moment ones. Still.... I can't help but feel bad for her because I'm convinced that she is totally stunned about how she was/is perceived- by America and especially by her "friends". And isn't it easier to go on with a charade than admit you are hated to the nth degree and there might even be some truth in what people are saying? She's young and I think there's hope for her future. Maybe I'm just an idiot or maybe it's the nurse/mother in me to want her be a better person. Aw well... I don't normally get so maudlin over bb hg. Go figure. lol
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 5:11 pm
WE need a new lydia interview. 100% convinced it was lydia who turned jessie when she got in the jury house. the thing is what could have lydia said that was so damaging that it would cause jessie to turn against his stongest ally? i'm very anti natalie but she was loyal to her allies and i thought for sure jessie would vote for her.
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Aerojunki
Member
06-30-2004
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 5:31 pm
I believe what turned Jessie against Nat was seeing the tapes brought in by the other evicted house guest. He seemed really let down that she wasn't even trying for HOH and putting it all on Kevin. He even said to Jeff, she isn't even trying and shook his head. The others were busting ass to win and she was so obviously throwing it.
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Needlenose
Member
09-16-2005
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 5:51 pm
Yes, Aero, that was the impression that I got also . . . I think he thought she was a real athlete and would do well in competitions and it bothered him that she was not really trying, it bothered me too. I actually liked Jessie better this season, especially in the JH and some of his comments . . . He is such a character, the season before he got to me with his "act", now he always makes me think of "Popeye"! I believe with all my heart that God has a special plan for Jessie and that the best part is that he is going to "listen" and discover it before it is to late!
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 5:59 pm
Yes, Aero, that tape showed Natalie not even faking it, while Jordan was busting her butt to win. I'm sure that impressed Jessie.
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Aerojunki
Member
06-30-2004
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 6:01 pm
I liked him better this season also..just wish he wasn't so full of himself...LOL Lydia just left a message on Twitter that her and Jessie were leaving for Vegas.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 8:40 pm
Has anything been sold on Ebay?
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 8:52 pm
Aero, I agree plus I think Lydia always had a deep rooted dislike for Natalie, even when they became "BFFs" over Jesse. They fought over him like 2 junior high girls. Although Natalie said she knew about the tenting nonsense, she really didn't and I think she was somewhat jealous. She doth protest too much. Jesse sure wasn't forthcoming with anything but a "platonic" relationship. As if. If you recall, when her and Lydia bonded after Jesse left, they trashtalked him (strategy albeit bad on Nat's part and just plain jealousy on Lydia's). I'd bet the farm that Lydia let Jesse know in exaggerated detail just how Natalie felt about him... a kick in the teeth for Mr. Pectacular, the legend. Also, Jesse has never understood throwing challenges. He doesn't have that in him. If you think winning a comp hurts you, you plain don't win it. It is a good strategy (unless and until you were wrong). Jesse himself said his decision hinged on the last HOH. He's even to tiny minded to realize that was a crapshoot. His lack of loyalty cost Natalie $450,000.00. He'll never admit why or have any regrets... they all seem to live and die by that crap. lol
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 9:54 pm
Chippy, she would have lost even if Jesse voted for her. Keep in mind counting America's vote, the votes were 5-2 for Jordan to win. So even if Jesse had voted for Nat, she still would have LOST. It would have been a tie and as we saw America's vote was for Jordan! So it didn't cost Natalie the big prize money. She would have needed another jury vote for that (or Americas) and she didn't have it!
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 7:49 am
Natalie needed to win a vote from Lydia or Michele in order to win. Nothing she said to the jury even remotely suggested that she out played anyone. Natalie would have won if she had owned any of her moves. She thought that she had Jesse's vote in the bag and that he would control Lydia and her vote. Lydia may have tried to turn Jesse against Natalie for personal reasons but his jury vote was going to the best player. Jesses told the jury about Nat's age inorder to impress the jury with her masterful lie and ease them into the truth so they would NOT take her lies personally. The jury gave Nat several opportunities to admit that lie and she failed to do so. Natalie let Ronnie out ALL her lies ,which was after the jury votes were cast. Had she claimed any strategy and still lost then she would have been robbed.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 8:37 am
Lurk... I count Jesse as 2 votes... him and Lydia. I believe the tent couple voted en bloc. lol As far as the age lie, seems to me that they ALL have egg on their faces for believing that at all and never pressing Natalie on it. There were dozens and dozens of opportunities to figure out she was not 18. Some suspected it was a lie but all just let it go. Now they got their widdle feelings hurt that she got away with it? Who's fault is that? If Jesse's vote was going to the best player, it would have gone to Natalie, hands down. Russell said it best in his interviews after the fact. Someone should remind Jesse that the game is nearly 3 months, not a week. What just cracks me up is that you could take Jordan's game and make it into genius unmatched by any other bb hg in the history of the game if you plug in names for everything she never intentionally did. She wouldn't know under the radar if it bit her. She learned the term and fit her non-play into that. So did others. She didn't "play" a ditzy country gal. She is one. She didn't make alliances. She simply felt bad for Jeff and hung out with him and they became one. She didn't work to outlast and outplay the other side. Rather she sat by while they were evicted and then totally screwed her so called alliance herself (well, Jeff did really) and believed laughable lies from the enemy without questioning a thing. Her win was a complete accident combined with a whole lot of luck throughout the game. It was not won by her but handed to her by the other hg time after time. I'll never see it as any more than that because I watched it all happen. It happened while she sat there looking dazed, not because of anything she did. She was clueless most of the time. The CDT got her and Jeff out of a major bind, her inepititude (which was not an act) at comps got her labeled "non threat" (great strategy if it is one but it wasn't), and she was carried through without a second thought. The changed up part2 for the live show was pure gold and the last hoh a crapshoot. She did make a good decision in taking Natalie but there is no way it was because a lightbulb went on in her head and she figured out that Natalie was hated in the jury. She didn't even know Natalie lied. LMAO. Monday morning quaterbacking a game doesn't make it true. Sounds good though. lol
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