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Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I am reluctantly becoming a semi-fan of Nat. She has probably been my least favorite throughout the game, but has completely changed her personality over the last week and made herself more tolerable. More importantly, she has somehow managed to gain the trust of Jeff and Jordan, and positioned herself very well to make it at least to final 3. I fully expect her to begin dominating the competitions any time now. I feel sure she has been holding back. May as well accept the inevitable, and become a fan (sort of)

Kappy
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06-29-2002

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Llkoolaid
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08-01-2001

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llkoolaid a private message Print Post    
Although I detest the girl, I will give her that she is playing hard and seems to be manipulating J/J, but let's face everyone can work J/J. Let's see if she can do the same with Russ and Michelle and I may even give her props but I will never be a fan. I don't think she has changed her personality as much as she has been forced to changed her gameplay. When she was on top she was a rude bully, now that she is on the bottom she has become a lying suck up.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

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It's not that difficult to manipulate gullible people like Jeff and Jordan. She's just a step above them because she realized those two are too easy to fool. I don't think she will get by Kevin, he knows how devious she really is and at the first opportunity he will get rid of her (after f4).

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
I think she is a very good actress. She can tell gigantic lies not only with a straight face but with vim, outrage and vigor.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
She has played a much better game since Jesse left.
I still don't like her but her game play is 100000x better than the rest of them.
I love the game and pick my fav's based on game play.
There have been times that my hate for certain players has affected my opinion but I am trying to let that go in this case.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
The best part about her is this thread title!

Beffylou
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04-21-2005

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 9:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beffylou a private message Print Post    
What I find interesting .. at this point Natalie and Kevin are THE most important people left in the game! They have put themselves in a position of great power.

IF Jeff uses veto and gets Russell out this week, all Nat and Kev need is Michele to get J/J out.

No matter what, I think, after this week J/J are doomed. Everyone left will be gunning for them based on their actions in the house the past two weeks.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 9:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I started understanding her more after the phone call from dad. I was very touched by it and seeing she was raised by him with no mom made me realize why she isnt feminine. I wish she would have let Lydia play with some makeup, I bet she would look beautiful with just a little makeup and a wardrobe update

I think she may have been more tolerable if she didnt stick to Jess and Chima from the start.

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
Me too Pamy. Though I think she is fine the way she is except she could bathe and change clothes more often. She has a pretty face and she has a great figure under all those schlumpy clothes.

I find her hard to like but from a game point the girl is really playing it and I could accept her win at this point.


Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
The phone call also made me soften toward her. She's a great liar and schemer. I love that she has everyone thinking she is so honest, when, in fact, part of her very introduction of herself was a lie.

Cheekychops
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08-12-2005

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cheekychops a private message Print Post    
::::crickets chirping:::::

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Natalie has manipulated Jordan very well (but Jordan was very receptive. Natalie has skillz like lying and sounding somewhat convincing.

I'm not even a semi-fan, but I can acknowledge that she has worked hard to advance herself in this game. Sad that a person would use skills to demean and hurt others.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I enjoyed the phone call from her Dad. Occasionally these phone calls give us some insight into the person's life before the show. Obviously, I have a soft spot for someone who loves her Dad and I think it's nice that it appears that he has been a big part of her life, especially raising her without her mother. They obviously care a lot about each other and I think the phone call placed Natalie in a better light as far as I'm concerned.

Nanie
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07-24-2009

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I wish I could say I have warmed to Natalie, but she just delights too much in causing other peoples misery. If I were her and I had tortured Michele with lies as she has done, and then found out Michele takes meds, possibly for being bi polar, I would feel terrible. On top of that she lost her brother just months ago and even this fact doesn't let her leave Michele alone, she steals her blanket and laughs. She may win the money but having everyone see what you are made of is not worth it.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

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I'm not a fan of hers, but if Russell gets backdoored, I will be rooting for her to win HOH and put Jeff and Jordan up--that would be hysterical.

I also thought the call from her dad was very sweet.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
I guess she should win if she can beat Michelle or Jordan in some competitions.

If those in power are such fools to believe her innocence it means she's the best at the game. She should win, either her or Kevin. Would love to see Michelle win but with everyone against her it would take a miracle. So, may as well be Kevin or Nat in F2.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

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One of the things that amazes me on many of these shows (BB, Survivor, etc.) is how people just give up. To Natalie's credit, she hasn't given up even when the game went against her. She and Kevin looked for an angle and made it work. It's nice to see someone who doesn't just give up and meekly leave.

Stray_cat
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06-21-2006

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I agree Jimmer - I've got to give her props for playing the game.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

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One thing she said during her phone call with her Dad was that she wanted him to know that everything she is doing, she is doing to win the game.

I believe that.

This girl is working hard to win this game.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
That's true Jimmer, she's been so close to leaving and has found a way to stay every time.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 10:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Yes, I very much enjoyed the phone call with her dad!! But I think I would have enjoyed a phone call of Russell and his dad too. Probably Jeff and his dad but I kind of think Jeff would try to hard not to show emotions. Kevin and Michele said earlier that they would actually rather just tough it out and not let emotion inject itself into the game with a phone call.. they each miss their spouses but said it isn't THAT long. This was a convo where Natalie said what she wanted most was a call with her dad. That is why I do believe her when she says it was worth more to her than a trip or money. It was a good call. I think Jordan getting a call would have been like the letter where her mom scolded her. That really did knock her for a tailspin along with the news of the move, in good ways and bad, but I think it distracted her. I suspect a phone call might have been a mixed blessing.

So, Natalie getting the call was perfect and I'm glad she got it.

Thanks for mentioning the call, Jimmer.. I had that in mind this morning but I was typing fast because I needed to shower, wash and dry hair, take meds and vitamins, dry hair, brush teeth and be someplace by 1pm, so busting a deadline.

And I DO give her props, just don't like the lying and more, I don't like the mean girl thing.

Some examples that are just symptoms of non-game indifference to how others feel.. the other day Natalie exclaimed to Kevin that they had Chima's blueberry muffin mix and she insisted on making them for dinner. This was after Russell went on slop. He had told them all that blueberry muffins were his favorite. He told Michele he thought it was quite deliberate. But worse, Natalie talked to Kevin about how she kept several items like that and the corn mix and other goodies that were things Chima was excited to get from her family when she helped pack up Chimaa's stuff. I'm not even a friend of Chima, but I know I would have been extremely motivated to pack ALL of her stuff. Natalie claims that Chima is her best friend out of the whole cast. She was pretty gleeful that she had withheld these goodies.

Last night she got all excited to find some ice cream in the fridge that was peach cobbler. Keep in mind that they have quite a lot of ice cream available for all of them. Kevin said that he was pretty sure it was Michele's. Natalie got that look on her face and said, well it is in this refrigerator (as if there was any place else for Michele to store her hoh goodies and she hardly had a chance to eat much in the very short time). She said Michele SAID people were welcome.. but that was when she was hoh and would have had some say over it. Plus, I think Kevin's point was it was pretty low to raid that specific ice cream at a time when Michele was unable to eat it and she had been so happy to get it (not to mention that some of her stuff was destroyed by Lydia). Natalie kept insisting that it was there and scooped out a big bowl. She isn't sensitive at all to others and even when Kevin points it out, her attitude is "screw them".

She also egged Lydia on to actions which made it more likely for Lydia to be booted, before they were on the block (while she was also on the block, that was strategy). And last night she persisted with the pig latin talk which got Kevin in trouble too. (though I couldn't figure out from the bit I saw on BBAD why the PA got SO angry, have to think something must have happened earlier that I didn't see and this was just a last straw type of situation..

So.. I give her high marks for gameplay results so far, but low marks for acting as self centered as a 13 year old, while saying she is 18 and really being 24.

Nanie, just read your comment.. yep.. what I'm saying too.. the sheer enjoyment she gets out of hurting people. I partly blame the culture fostered by some of the reality shows she loves so much, Real World and the Challenges (and others but I watch RW and Challenge) and she even says her boyfriend looks like Landon. But those shows just encourage nasty behavior, being mean and cruel is almost idolized.. so she may not even care that she is showing this.

And I sure hope she gets HOH and sticks to her plan to put up Jeff (and Jordan).

Bee, I think she is playing a bit of a game with her dad with that statement.. at least about the totally unnecessary mean actions and words, but at least she said it which indicates that she is aware of the actions.. well not sure if that is better or worse, hmm.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

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I think she is aware of her actions, but chose them for her own gain, in the game that is, but dosn't seem to grasp the consequences of how treating people the way she is will affect her outside of the house. I'm not sure how much the show could do anything about verbal abuse, unless it is a threat, but there should have been more consequences for destruction of property. When people start getting prosecuted, the producers might think twice about their inactions on these shows.

Tvclubber
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06-22-2008

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Natalie has played a fantastic game. She pulled Jesse's strings, curled Lydia around her finger, befriended Kevin, supported Chima, and mind flirts with JeJo. If she gets to the Final 2, she stands a great chance of winning.

In real life, I wouldn't trust her words or actions because she taught me not to trust them. She lies with such ease! She bullies hard and soft . . . a deadly combination. Often, she dresses so she looks like a gangsta girl, which buttresses her in-house actions.

Obviously, she's smarter than the BB role she's playing. Much smarter, if only in a cunning way, which could be smart enough to take her to the Final 2 if she isn't evicted soon. If she wins, good for her. I'm not one of her fans, but I respect good game play and she's playing darn good.

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Monday, August 24, 2009 - 6:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
I am laughing at the title of this thread.

I don't like Natalie much.

That being said, I feel like so many have said. She is really playing the game and playing it hard. She's hanging in despite watching 2 of her closest allies leave, and not only hanging in, fighting harder. She really has been controlling the game for the most part. She puts her spin on things and then they change course.