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Fredi
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fredi a private message Print Post    
Nat arrived at F2 and won some bucks. As hated as she was, that is enough revenge for me. She did good. Ty C1 for having my back in the game but I wouldn't trust you either. lol

12player34
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08-12-2009

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Fredi, I admit she did good. I thought she was done after Jessie left and when Jordan nominated her. She SHOULD have went that week but she did an excellent job of snowing over Jeff and Jordan that week. I still think she's content with 2nd place although she feels and KNOWS she should be the winner. I do like the fact that she isn't holding back in the interviews though by openly stating that Jordan isn't a good winner.

C1mag
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
I believe I heard Danielle say that Michelle was her favorite but even if she thought Natalie was a good player that doesn't mean it's so. I suppose it could be suggested that the only reason you devalue Jordans game is because you must despise her?

I thought Natalies game was sloppy and her strategy was to be a loud floater early on to avoid being called exactly what she really was. A floater. Later on she got lucky and held on and floated to the end. It's not a tough game when you are a weaker physical player.

She was so terrible at lying for me personally I suppose thats why I didn't drink her kool-aide of greatness. Perhaps she played you as a viewer :-)

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Fredi I probably wouldn't trust you or anyone either. PARANOIA WILL DESTROYA LOL

Fredi
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12- Good post. I just think of all the viewers that didn't want Nat to get any money and I just laugh and laugh. lol

Fredi
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04-01-2008

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fredi a private message Print Post    
Gotta go- nice chatting 12/C1- later

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
she didn't get a chance to snow anyone the first week she was nominated. Chima bounced out. She got lucky. Jeff said after Chima was gone they got real nervous about Russel. She stayed not because she snowed them but because it was a toss to keep a loud mouthed weaker player or her. There was nothing she did after the CDE that wasn't someone elses game move she hid out behind. Just like Jordan.

C1mag
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Take care Fredi. You are a BLAST!!!! :-)

12player34
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08-12-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 12player34 a private message Print Post    
LOL C1mag. When I was watching, I was telling myself that I'd be on to her lies and wondering why everyone felt that way. But, that's the thing. They don't have the info that we have so it's easy to say someone is a terrible liar when we know they are lying and can see it.

I like Jordan. I don't despise her at all. I just don't think she's a good player.

And, even if Natalie's game is sloppy, for me, it's INTENT. At least she did try o openly and actively play the game. And, if you think her game is sloppy, I don't even want to think of the mess of a game you believe Jordan's is, LOL. You seem to forget that the first 3 weeks Jordan isolated herself from the rest of the house, talked with Jeff constantly instead of building bonds with others, and then only strategized with people who were leaving the house. She didn't really get into the think of things until Jeff used the power he didn't even really deserve.

Even, then, Natalie manipulated her into keeping her over Lydia, fell for her and Kevin's lies, and then preached how 'honest' Natalie was. And then, Natalie convinced her she had no chanc with Kevin by. Natalie made a F2 with Jordan that week Jeff left although Natalie would not have honored it. The thing is, Jordan still believed it.

But, she was a fabulous liar. Even when she was lying, even though I knew she was, I was almost convinced. No questions there. Even her most ardent haters said she's an amazing liar which she is and is why she is hated so much. But, all the other sites I go too say she's a great player, but they hate her lies and personality. NOT one person, from what I've seen has called her a floater or said she has played a bad game especially compared to the likes of Jordan.

12player34
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08-12-2009

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I disagree completely C1mag. Lydia was as weak and checked out as Natalie. Even Russell said that Natalie needs to leave because she'll rebound and fight to stay.

I'll never forget that night. Natalie played Jeff and Jordan like a fiddle. She lied about Lydia telling them that lydia said she wanted Jeff gone and then she egged on the Russell paranoia. Remember, the day before they were adamant about Natalie leaving. Natalie worked on them for 4 hours that night and by the end of it Jeff gave Natale a hug telling her she was safe. It was very impressive and I was happy to finally see someone truly work hard to stay in the game. That was all on her. No Kevin, or anybody else. Jordan BEGGED and PLEADED for Jeff to stay over her. Natalie played for herself.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
She didn't fall for any lie of Kevins and Natalies. It was actually a truth supported by Michelle.

Wise if Jordan laid low those first few weeks. As Fredi pointed out they would have been an early target.

Jordan may have sabotaged her 4 man alliance but in the process she flat out set herself up to have someone pimping her game on that jury with support. Not so stupid.

Natalie was a horrific liar. Kevin knew she wasn't 18. The house collectively could care less about her age. I've not met her most ardent haters. I do know those that didn't care for her game thought she was pathological to the point where it was called just sad and in need of help.

Oh I've seen and read more then a few call her a floater and a piggybacker. I'm sure they were just ardent hates LOL.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
12 LOL have you listened to Jeff at all? He could have cared less about the crap she was shoveling. He also was fully aware of what she was pulling by mentioning Lydia. They were done with Russel. Chima was gone. Took a gamble the one of the two weakest players would give them a slide in the game and took the other out. Truth be told Natalie would have floated whatever way she could because she's a floater. By the end of the game Jordan had both Kev and Nat thinking she was taking them both to the end. Same game.

12player34
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08-12-2009

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Jordan completely fell for Natalie and Kevin's lies. She believed Natalie would take her to the F2 when she wouldn't. She believed Kevin wouldn't put Jeff up and she was completely dumbfounded when it happened.

And, NO! It was not wise for her to lay low those first few weeks since she was nominated twice of those first few weeks and she never campaigned at ALL to stay. Not once. She didn't even know Chima's name for about the first 2-3 weeks which is kinda sad considering she needed votes to stay. She wasn't laying low at all if she was always being talked about as a nomination pawn or possible boot if the other person won veto. And, she didn't plan on Jeff pimping her in the jury as the reason she sacrificed her alliance. So, that theory is BS too.

Jeff and Jordan were already early targets, Not that people absoultely loathed them, but because they isolated themselves, never talked with the others, and only talked game with people who were about to be evicted. But, the Coup came and saved them while Natalie fought against it. And, I know you said that the Coup helped Natalie, but it's all speculation. It was designed HOWEVER to hurt Natalie and destroy her alliance. That's the only way I look at it.



And, nope, still disagree. Natalie was a greta liar. Who cares if Kevin didn't think she was 18? That wasn't hard to figure out. There's a dozen or so other lies I can point out that nobody caught on too and realized though.

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
That actually was Kevins lie to Jeff and the deal those two men made. We've established Kevin was very good at this game. His tag along floater simply echoed him.

Uh, this evening Jordan won. So whatever she did was very wise :-)

Natalie was such a horrific liar she got nailed and LOST in the final 2.

we can point out more then a dozen useless lies she spilled out and in the end SHE LOST. Must have done something wrong.

Sunshinemiss
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshinemiss a private message Print Post    
Jesse's exit interview is up now at WeLoveBigBrother...

12player34
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08-12-2009

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C1mag, you obviously didn't watch that week. Natalie stayed because of herself. Jeff DID care what Natalie said about Lydia. As soon as they went upstairs and compared notes that's when they said Lydia definitely needs to go over Natalie and to even get Russ BD's if they had the chance. She played awesome that night and the rest of the week.

And, I disagree about Jeff not caring less the crap they were shoveling. Jeff bought alot of CRAP from people in that house. Hell, part of the reason he got rid of Russell is because he believed that Kevin or Natalie would both put up each other over him if they won HOH since they swore 'under any circumstances' that he was safe. LOL. That guy was mush. He was sooo easily manipulated it's not even funny. The DR had to beg him not to take out Russ that one week LOL.

And, why take out Lydia, when she is far weaker in challenges, and mentally checked out? Natalie at least had one a challenge before, and talked about how bad she wanted to stay and fight. Logically, Natalie would be the clear target over Lydia so that was more about Natalie's desperate although good gameplay that week than anything.

C1mag
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
12 Natalie lost. Embrace that. Jordan won. It's just that simple. You will never convince me Natalie was anything more then just a loud mouth floater. You'll have to adjust to the fact for that jury Natalie wasn't the great thing you feel she was.

Kevin set her up to even have a chance at attempting any lies. The REAL reason Lydia left was pathetic. She called Jordan Fat.

Jeff put up Russel because he was scared the man was coming after him. He used every thing as fodder to justify what he already knew and was told by Michelle.

Take the Natalie did this or that myth lay it at Kevins door step as giving her wings. Watch her get lucky and hide out lying and bragging and in the end the other floater walked over the finish line before her. Took her as a tag along and said here I am. We played the same game but I played it cleaner. Bibbidy bobidy boo. Jordan won. And thats the way it went.

12player34
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 12player34 a private message Print Post    
C1mag, that was Natalie's lie too. She told Jeff she'd put Kevin up over him as well. She told him privately and once with Kevin around.

And Jordan won, but it was because of a bitter jury. They know in their heart of hearts that she wasn't the better player as do many people and this isn't the first time a jury hasn't voted personal. :-) On a strategic level everyone knows Natalie was the better player. Nobody can convince any rational person otherwise. If they say anything else, it's because of sheer bitterness. Either way, despite all this, Natalie still won some money, made the F2, was NEVER evicted, even with blatant DR rigging and Coup D' Tat's against her. Still impressive. Nobody has ever ocercome such odds.

Natalie's lies is what got her to the F2. So, no matter how horrific they were, if she had not told them, especially after the Coup that was meant for her doom, she wouldn't even have made the F2. And, if her lies were so horrible, that says alot about the people who bought those lies. I guess it shows how incompetent they really were.

And, those lies like I said, were what got her to the F2 so I don't think those lies were wrong. She just got another bitter jury and she wasn't romantically interested in Jessie which had alot to do with it, but, remember what happened to Alison, Danielle and Nicole. Bitter and angry jurors voting against them because they got outplayed by a woman. The thing is, there's not one perosn on that jury who can say they got outplayed by Jordan. Not one. There are several of them who can say that they got swooned, lied too or manipulated consistently by Jordan. She's overall the best player this season. Nothing you can do, say will change this and she's infinitaly much better than Jordan. Live with it. :-)

C1mag
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
LMAO what got Natalie to final 2 was that she was seen as a weaker player and Jeff made it clear to Jordan. You will win against either Michelle or Natalie so thats exactly what she accomplished.

Kevins lies, Kevins HoH win and Kevins veto all dragged her along.

Everyone of them can say they were outplayed by Jordan. Sweet and gooey and dripping with honey? Hell who allows that to get close to the finals?

12player34
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08-12-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 12player34 a private message Print Post    
C1mag, I've already accepted Jordan won. But you can't convince me she played a similar game as Natalie. Two weeks ago Jordan was begging to leave and actively telling Natalie to keep Jeff. She would have lost my vote right there. Nothing about there game's were similar. Hell, Jordan wasn't even a floater. She was solely aligned with Jeff from the beginning. She didn't float between groups cinsistently enough and there was no gray area with her. I never once considered her a floater. I always knew where she stood.

Jordan won, and I am happy that she got some money she needed for her and her family. That doesn't mean I can be happy with the lakc of strategy she had. Natalie at least came there trying to play hardcore from the beginning. Even if you arn't satisfied with it, her intent was to play the game by any means necessary. And, F2 is still not bad considering she had to put up with so many production issues like rigging against her. Jordan was a big benefit to the blatant rigging this season as well with the Coup's and help from the DR telling her to study, etc.

But, F2 is still great for Natalie conisdeirng she came through all this outside influence to almost snag a win.

Saba
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Saba a private message Print Post    


Weak player and a bad liar. Should have been DQed!

12player34
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08-12-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 12player34 a private message Print Post    
C1mag, you saying that Kevin's HOH and POV win dragged Natalie along is just like me saying Jeff and Jordan's back to back HOH wins dragged Michele along. Kevin and Natalie were an alliance and I think if Natalie had won that HOH and POV you wouldn't be saying the same thing. It's not like Kevin has dragged her the entire game. HELL, Natalie use to have Kevin on a leash the first 3 weeks of the game. I distinctly remember that.

And, even if Kevin was dragging her, I don't think kevin realizes how much damage she was doing in the background. She slyly talked how much Kevin had been winning and how the jurors would respect that in the end and that he 'better stick to the plan.' She said this all to make sure that she'd be safe if there was a situation where it came down to her and him. So even if you are being 'dragged' by someone, as you put it, at least she wasn't blindly loyal to him enough that she wasn't going to not play for herself and snake him if she had the chance. Jordan would have NEVER done this to Jeff even if it was good for her. So, the thing about Natalie, is that she was willing to throw Kevin under the bus so many times even though his comp wins protected her. Hell, she gave up playing in the veto comp even though she knew it'd screw Kevin. LMAO. Jordan doesmn't even come close when it comes to gameplay.

C1mag
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
12 I haven't tried to convince you of anything. You've been wetting your drawers over Natalie since I started posting this season. It's not like I'd expect you to concede she was nothing more then a lucky loud mouthed floater. It would destroy the myth you've created for her but it does underscore the very hard work a few others did while she hid behind them.

Jordan most definitely was a floater. Wormed her way right to the finals. It really is the same game and the jury actually acknowledged it as well. It's just that you let that one slip right by you while salivating over Natalies ridiculous loud floating game.

Was the jury all that biter in the end? Or are you guessing to fix the results the way you want to see them? If the voting had been "bitter" You'd think the line was so drawn Jessie would never want to see Jeff's woman win. You'd think Lydia wouldn't either given she was booted by Jordan. The only bitter votes actually were given to Natalie. Russ pissed at how he was treated and Kevin for getting booted by Jordan. HUH thats strange those two also said they voted on startegy. Do the bitter ones cling to Natalies faux game and then call it strategy to cover for bruised egos? Sorta makes you think.

Natalie was seen as a weaker player and thats how she got to the end. She got lucky. She echoed others and hid behind them.

She's going to hate the after math she created with her nonsense which went way beyond playing the game. She just didn't get it.

I have to go soon. What else you got? LOL

C1mag
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
12 jeff was gone. Just like Natalie Jordan held on and started playing all of them that remained in the game. She "snaked" as you called it all around Michelle, Kevin, and Natalie. She had them all convinced she was as bright as a two watt light bulb and she was telling them all it was her and them to the end. Each one was pulling her along just like Kevin was pulling Natalie. Again it's the same game minus the foul behavior. Nothing bigger. It's just harder for you to see that because Natalie demanded your attention. Should have watched the blonde massaging her breasts. She was doing the same thing and she actually won :-)

12player34
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 2:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send 12player34 a private message Print Post    
C1mag, Jordan was NOT a floater. A floater can proactively and reactively go from group to group. We, and others, always knew where Jordan stood. That is not a floater. She picked her side early on, which was Jeff, and then Michele and Russell for awhile, and that's it. I guess we can argue she had some working relationship with Natalie and Kevin for awhile but she never truly was 'with' them. She definitely was not a floater. I always, along with others in the house, knew where she stood. Floaters always have some grey area but with Jordan we always knew where she stood. She was no floater.

YES, the jury was bitter. And, please as Russell being bitter at Jordan as well as Kevin. If they were bitter, it was because they didn't think she deserved to win. So, if they were bitter in that sense, then I agree. I've watched both of their interviews tonight, and both said thta they voted Natalie because she played the best game. When they brought up the age lie, Russell even said, "Well, at least it acknowledged she came here to play." If they were bitter, it's because they didn't believe she was fitting as a winner is all. Jessie is bitter that Natalie turned him down, told Lydia she had no feelings for him and that she was playing him, and then she got engaged to crush his ego even more. Lydia and Jordan were BFF's that first week and Lydia and Natalie never really liked each other so i wasn't that surprised about her vote. And, Lydia is NOT a strategic voter. Purely emotional. Russell and Kevin predominantly voted on strategy. They might have liked Natalie as well, but they know she played a better game than Jordan. I think the whole jury knows this but they haven't acknowledged it yet.

And, even if Natalie was seen as a weaker player, it was a plan she had set up. That's why she came out with the age lie, it would make her seem weak and naive. If she hid behind others, it was planned. And, if she got lucky because of that, then so be it. It isn't any ore lucky than Jordan getting lucky with outside influence from America and help from the DR. Now, that IS lucky.