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Aerojunki
Member
06-30-2004
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:29 am
I think if Jordan wouldn't have left Russ such a harsh goodbye message he would have voted for her..then again, he seems like a immature, bitter person..so, who knows!
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:38 am
How many times can Diane Henry say she's single to Jeff? She has no shame even when she's working. http://cbs2.com/video/?cid=73
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Tissy
Member
07-28-2003
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:50 am
I think if Jordan wouldn't have left Russ such a harsh goodbye message he would have voted for her..then again, he seems like a immature, bitter person..so, who knows! Don`t forget the way J/J treated him in his final week too. Russell voting for Nat didn`t surprise me in the least - Jessie voting for Jordan did but maybe he wasn`t taken in by all Nat`s loyalty talk about her alliance?
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Tvclubber
Member
06-22-2008
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:53 am
The only person who ever outdid Dr. Will was Dan. Jordan made it to the final three because she played a game that got her there. When in a crunch, she held it together and won what she needed to win to advance. Kevin and Natalie were in the final three because of the games they played. They all deserved to be there. Any of them could have won it all. Jordan happened to peak at the right time. There's nothing wrong with that. Every season, some people are happy with the end results and some people are a bit upset. Others are thrilled or agitated. I'm in the Jordan camp, but I would have been happy with any of these three winning because they entertained me in different ways. p.s. Thanks BB for showing Chima's expulsion antics during the finale. I doubt I'll ever getting tired of hearing, "No need to sit down."
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Bbwatcher
Member
09-12-2008
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:55 am
Tissy...Russell said (before Jeff was evicted) that he would vote for Jeff....so apparently it wasn't personal in that way. I think he thought Nat's lies (more like his game of being mean) was a better game.
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Puppypaws
Member
06-09-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:58 am
Here's a link to some of the backyard interviews over at TV grapevine. http://www.tvgrapevine.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5542:big-brother-11-post-game-interviews&catid=91:big-brother-11-live-feed-updates&Itemid=75
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Doublethink
Member
08-23-2006
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:00 am
BB - I think Russell could forgive Jeff much more easily than Jordan because they never had a solid relationship. But he liked Jordan and they did some semi-flirting at times. So I think her rejection of him was much more personal. Plus he always liked Natalie - thought she was an angel. I don't think what he heard in the jury would have changed his opinion of her.
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Angelicfairies2
Member
07-19-2004
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:20 am
Diane is flirting so hard. HA HA
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:25 am
CBS backyard interviews http://www.youtube.com/user/CBS#play/uploads/0/jH4Albv-M7g
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:32 am
Of course the Hawaii trip was brought up again and Jeff continues to say Jordan is on the short list but he has to check back in with the real world first. I think he wants to make sure she didn't play him for a fool before inviting her, which is smart.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:35 am
Natalie didn't even TRY to win a competition. She always rode someone's coattails, and admitted as much to the jury! At least Jordan tried her best, and especially after Jeff left, she hung in there making deals with both Kevin and Natalie to get her to the end. Even with the deals, she pulled through when it counted, and won the final HOH. I really didn't see Natalie play the game, except to talk and lie to her 'protectors' (Jesse, Ronnie, Chima and Kevin). Jordan deserved the win, Natalie did not. Too bad she won $50K...but as long as she didn't win the big prize, I'm happy.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:06 am
I noticed a couple of the HGs think it's nuts that people are against Natalie because she lied, since it's just part of the game. They obviously haven't been told yet the extent of Natalie's antics. Personally, I can't wait for Kevin to see the videos of Nat cheating at pool, chess, and even solitaire. I hope we get some more interviews after they decompress for a week and have had time to catch up. HA, I am watching Nat talk to Diane and still calling Michele the devil and still holding her responsible for Chima's expulsion. This girl is a trip.
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Steeltoe
Member
05-19-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:08 pm
I watched the interview as well, Naja. Natalie is completely misguided in her views; she really needs a reality check. I am sure that Natalie has, at the least by now, experienced what she deserves...
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:14 pm
This game is nearly 3 months long. Not a week. It involves winning comps when ya need them, losing them when it'll hurt you to win, making alliances, deceipt, manipulation, and so much more. Not only that, you have to play to the endgame (jury). Add to that you also have to be the guy/gal that America loves (your game doesn't mean a hill of beans). It's enormously complicated. To put it in a little box with a bow that includes a whole lot of luck and a few days and one really good decision is just ludricrous IMO. Between the 2 we had left at the end, Natalie is the one that played the whole game. Jordan did not. Sure, you can label something she happened to do after the fact with good game play but you'd be lying to yourself. Jordan cannot even define the well known moves in this game much less pull them off. She doesn't get "floating", "under the radar" (did she call it below the radar or something?), or anything else. She claimed several times that she stayed true to her alliance. Are you kidding me? And yet, noone questioned that. She was the force behind the Russell eviction (uh, HER alliance) and would have voted Michelle out in a heartbeat (her other alliance) had M not won veto. Natalie, full of faults that she is, DID stay true to her alliance... although they kicked her in the teeth at the end. Bitter... party of two... please get out from under the tent... yer table's ready. Two voters voted strategically. The rest was all about emotion. Another empty win for bb IMHO.
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Chitchat58
Member
07-25-2008
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:02 pm
Natalie's one good move she lied big whoop, what else did she do? Please spare me the Nat was this great strategic player and give me someone who can pull out a win when need be, ie Jordan.
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Joyceellaine
Member
07-30-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:18 pm
Jordan lucked out with the final competition. That was just lucky guessing, no brains involved. A big disappointment. I hope she uses her brain and spends the money wisely. No more plastic surgery. She will probably want liposuction, seeing as everyone has been saying how fat she is.(Not me).
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:20 pm
I'm catching up on the interviews. I thought Jordan was clueless inside the house...Natalie is clueless outside the house.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:24 pm
Natalie made mistakes while she played her game. No doubt about it. But, if you can't credit her with some game changing moves in this season, well, it's not because they're not there. She carried off lies that ended up with names on this board. And she got rid of Jeff which was major. Her game was in the crapper after the CDT. She was as good as gone and yet clawed her way to f2. Jordan lucked out with that win last night. I would have said the same thing if Kevin had won. Crapshoot city. Do you really believe Jordan's "50" was a calculated answer? Yikes if ya do. It was a guess just like Kevin's "80". My mind was saying "70" for my own guess so I was way off too. Vegas is calling her name. lol I would say that Jordan's best (and only) move that was real game was choosing Natalie over Kevin for f2. One game move. $500,000.00. You do not need to win one comp to win this game. The fact that it keeps being stated ad nauseum that it makes you a good player when you do and a bad one when you throw comps, well, that's insane. Ask Will.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:27 pm
Well stated, Keldogg
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:33 pm
All of them played the game based on their own interpretation of how they needed to remain safe week to week. One coattail rider constantly wanted to grandstand and create a ruse of so called better playing by usurping someone elses game play all the while coattail riding. She wanted to add her own spice of lies and bullying while doing that so that in the event she was called just a coattail rider she would say her louder character meant she was the better player. In other words she thought she was going for an Academy Award. It's risky and can come back to bite you. Is that really good play or just a good performance for the viewers to talk about but at the end of the day it's still just coattail riding with a performance and getting lucky. There is no guideline at the top of a BB manual that says this type of player has played the better game. Some say this game is all about lying, cheating, stealing, throwing someone under the bus. Not it's not just that but those are some of the game moves you can attempt but under stand the consequences in doing that. The goal really is simple. Hold on and get to the end. At that final stage get ready to address your peers. Either they will vote for you or they won't. Natalie played an aggressive louder game of coattail riding while Jordans was quieter and by circumstance. She wasn't on every week slithering around but that sure doesn't devalue her approach to the game. Simply because Jordan didn't map out her plan from day one makes her no less of a player then the louder one. They both are administering coattail riding. It was a very equal game approach with one doing it much more dirtier. Two voters ended up only embracing the LOUDER strategic player because she tried to create a character while coattail riding. Truth be told both girls played strategically. One played it as needed and subtle. The other did it with added performances that even the viewers were left questioning why do or say that when it was some times way outside the context of the game? They all need to ask each other how the heck did the sweet one convince them to keep her week after week? It was so subtle because she wasn't grandstanding for the camera's pointing out she was duping them all week to week so it must have been a non game? I'd be kicking myself for taking her to the end game much more then I would had the louder one been dragged along. Considering emotions do play into the final vote someone who has studied this game and had a so called mapped out plan needed to apply that as well. If the louder coattail rider has got caught up in her own game she misses the point that the other coattail rider has equaled her game of coattail riding but she stirred up less shit. If you purposefully lost games great but remember that could bite you to because if you can't win them when you need to as well your claim that you were throwing early ones might be seen as a lie to cover for the fact you really were just weaker. If you can see another player has been a more subtle coattail rider and they win the final comps you need to be saying UH OH.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:42 pm
I sincerely appreciated Natalies attempt at being a loud player but I get what she really was vs the character she tried to hide behind. It was a bit stupid also to suggest she had been honest, and loyal given all the lies and the fact that if she was throwing early comps she was putting her teammates at risk if they didn't win which suddenly isn't seen as loyal. She simply stuck with whoever would have her to get her to the next week. Jordan did that as needed. She just didn't run in and usurp someone else's moves and go around lying and whispering and cheating and stealing cloths. Natalie felt she needed to be aggressive and it's risky. It doesn't mean she was the better player for administering a character. Some times subtle and the non game approach of just playing as needed will work better while you to ride coattails. Natalie was great for viewer fodder. She played too hard and over the top when it came to the end.
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Sportsfan
Member
09-03-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:43 pm
Chippy and Joyce: Jordan won! Same final competition as every other year.....

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Mnemosyne
Member
08-25-2008
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:58 pm
Whatever gets ya the win seems like the winning strategy to me. Congrats to Jordan and Nat!
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Yesitsme
Member
08-24-2004
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 2:00 pm
I agree about Natalie to a point. I thought she did play a decent game early on, but she lost it at the end. She went through all the trouble of leaving nice messages to the ousted houseguests, but then blew it all in the jury questions. You have to be honest at some point. She didn't really stay loyal to her alliance...only when it worked to her benefit. Which I am OK with.... just don't conveniently forget it and tout it as one of your most redeeming qualities. You can lie for the whole game, but once the game is over (or when your jury has been together talking about it all for weeks) tell the truth. She should have said "I outplayed each and every one of you. I strategically put you in the position of taking the fall and that is why I am here and you are on the jury. You can choose me as second, but at the very least I am second. And when it gets down to it, I was going to the final 2 regardless of who won the last competition. Who played better than that?" That would have at least been more in line with her feisty nature and gotten her the votes of those who wanted to vote for the person who played best and not on a personal basis. She basically forced them to vote personally and Jordan was more likeable. I thought Jordan played the game, too, though. Not real well, but she was the first to say that. I think she made great decisions throughout the game for herself....save saying they should pick Jeff over her, but even that worked to her advantage. And, as Chippy said, that is the beauty of Big Brother. You don't have to be the best to be the best at that game. So many factors come into play. You have to play the right card at the right time....or sit back when someone else plays the wrong card and collect your winnings. It's an art, not a science, and she was the artist of the moment.
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Missyb
Member
07-28-2004
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 2:00 pm
C1, you may never see this but, CBS edited the show last night to show Kevin as the initiator of LML. I know we saw it as such but we saw it starting much before he even said "we need to come up with a fabrication". In the show, that's where they show it starting. I thought that was funny given the huge board discussion last week.
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