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Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
As much as I despise Natalie I must admit she played the best strategic game.

Jordan also played some what strategically but I don't think it was on purpose.

Both girls appeared to be inept at challenges(either pretended or for real not sure in either case) and both aligned themselves with strong players who would be bigger targets for them to hide behind.

Natalie lied a whole lot about unimportant things that could PO the jury but she also lied about some really big game things that changed the game.

Jordan appeared not to lie very much but she also sabotaged her own alliance from within and if she takes credit(saying it was on purpose) for that,it could be considered a huge game move.

Kevin played a classic floater game and the jury is full of jocks who went out trying to win comps while Kevin was throwing them.

Kevin became a target and a tough player when Natalie forced him to become one(that's her move not his)

Kevin can take some credit for moves that he and Natalie did together but only if he boots her in the end.(He will probably lose her vote with that move)

Obviously it will all come down to who wins the final HOH and who is booted and how.Oh,and what they say to the jury.

Kevin and Jordan are going to have to have some pretty good stuff to impress the jury because whether Natalie is in the F2 or sitting on the jury she is going to take credit for every move made during this season.

Ginger1218
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08-31-2001

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ginger1218 a private message Print Post    
But Kevin thinks that most of the people in the jury house are Natalie's friends, they are not aware that everyone has turned against Natalie, and rightfully so.

Caprica
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Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I think that the jury segements are scripted.
I don't buy the "we are PO at Natalie" one bit.

Jesse,Lydia and Russell all lied their butts off in the house and I'm sure they think that it is funny as hell that Natalie pulled the wool over everyone's eye with that age lie.

However,I do think Kevin and Jordan have figured out that Natalie lied about her age and both will out her if they evict her at F3.
The jury will get a kick out of the fact that her age lie is what did her in at F3 and whoever boots her will get kudos from the jury and possibly votes.

Ruskybizz
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07-09-2009

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ruskybizz a private message Print Post    
I agree with you Caprica. Editing makes a world of difference as we who see everything can attest to. I think BB is trying to point us away from Nat winning if in F2. I would like to see Nat leave and then Jordan/Kev smart enough to trash her and put all blame on her to the jury AFTER she asks her questions of them. That way, she can't come back at them and probably won't have time to tell the other jury members more lies.

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
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Kappy
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06-29-2002

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
If the jury really looks at gameplay, I think Kevin will have it hands down as he has done the most work for it. But if they get personal (and haven't they always?) then I think it will be split between Kevin and Jordan. Even with Jordan vs Nat, I don't think anyone beside Jesse would give Nat a vote.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
"Jordan also played some what strategically but I don't think it was on purpose."

ROTFLMAO And that's the truth.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I don't want to give Jordan too much credit for her game play but if she wises up and sees that all of her alliance's lame moves really benifited HER then I'm OK with that.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Biscottiii thanks for that vid of the jury house. It reminded me of something I when huhhh??? to.

Kev asks Jesse what he is going to do if Nat comes into the jury house

Jesse: Same thing I did inside the house, respect her as a woman, and see how she treats me.

What on earth did that mean???

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
I understand the editing aspect of the jury house, but I'm not sure it's being done to fool the viewers into thinking they've turned against natalie. BB has to know that most people despise her and in that case I don't think they would be trying to manipulate the viewers even further in order to *surprise* us with a Nat win.

Instead I think the editing might be to make the case to America that Nat is NOT likely to win this thing...

They know that the following season suffers a backlash when the winner is disliked and I'd think they'd be letting us down easy with some pro-Nat jury info rather than "leading us on."

Then again, AG and BB do a lot of stuff i think is uber-stupid, so......

Chy
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07-19-2003

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 7:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
I was ready to put down my theory until I remembered something.
There's still too many uncertain factors. It's not just who is in Final with whom. It's also important how the F2 is formed. Who took whom to the F2 could be a reason to cast a deciding vote. Another words, I think the last HOH would have a very convincing chance.

Then, the live Jury questioning could still effect things. As some smart posters pointed out, this Jury just might not be casting votes according to it's personal feelings. They could hate Nat but still give her a nod as a good player. We saw how Jeff was ready to forget the fact Kevin sent him packing.
If Jordan won this all important last HOH, she just might garner some respect no matter whom she is standing(or sitting most likely) next to. If she takes K, she could even win over Russ & Jess on top of Jeff & Mich's votes. Lydia will vote for K no matter what. Nat will vote for K if J does not take her.
In the case that J takes Nat, she will lose Kevin's vote for sure and thereby Lydia's. But Jessie & Russ might be impressed. Jordan will need to sell herself real hard to them, but her last HOH win should carry a lot of weight in those boys' eyes. Jessie could definitely be looking at the number of challenges won, as Abby & Bisc already mentioned.

If Kevin wins and take J w/him, he could win Russ, Jess and Lydia's votes. Nat could still be mad. But Mich might even vote for his game-play! Remember Kevin will be able to lay out his every "move/play" to the Jury. He would be prepared with a story to tell, no matter how little time he will have.
I believe Jordan would just say stuff like, I love y'all, ... I loved playing with y'all, .... the money will be great so I could help my mom out, ... (finish with) I will be happy with how ever you vote!

Nat & Kev already been squabbling about who takes credit for which move. It's going to be a ducey in front of the Jury!
But again, when in doubt, :-) look down upon the one considered as a coat tail rider! Since Nat didn't even win ANY round in the final HOH Comp, she just might lose some important votes.

All that said, I do believe most of the America;s votes would just be cast so the ABN will happen!
(ABN= Anybody but Nat! :-) )

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 7:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It's interesting how they setup the America's jury vote. They clearly designed it so that people could vote anybody but Natalie.

Heh
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07-27-2007

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 7:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Heh a private message Print Post    
It's interesting how they setup the America's jury vote. They clearly designed it so that people could vote anybody but Natalie.


It's late, and I'm on cold meds, but I don't quite understand what you mean by that.

Couldn't people vote for anybody BUT any one of the remaining HG?

I'm confuzzled....

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
This is so hard to predict at this point. I think a lot will depend on the jury questions. Some may depend on the last comp, especially the level of difficulty of the last comp. If it is questions about what the jury members have said...the jury members may take the answers of Kev and Jor personally in either a positive or negative way.

I agree with Chy about Jor's answers...I don't think she'll point out strategic moves that she made. She did really surprise me in the last comp (so did Nat), so maybe she'll surprise me again.

I tend to think this is how it will go if not a lot changes based on the above:

Kev/Jor:
Jesse: J
Lydia: K
Jeff: J
Russ: K
Mich: J
Nat: (whoever doesn't evict her)
America: J
Jordan wins

N/J
Jess: N
Jeff: J
Lydia: J
Russ: ?
Mich: J
Kev: N
America: J
Jordan wins

K/N
Jess: N
Lydia: K
Jeff: ? probably K
Jor: ? probably N
Russ: K
Mich: ? probably N
America K
Probably Kevin will win

I think Kev, if in F2, will do a better job with the jury questions against Jor or Nat. Nat won't have the time to do what she usually does...steam roll with her points over and over which somehow convinced everyone to believe her all season sometimes. I don't think she thinks well on her feet because of how terrible she came across when she lied about Pand. Box. She is so off-putting. I think there is a chance she will come across like that to the jury especiallly if she is in F2 with Kev and he calmly and logically totally throws her under the bus.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
I think the jury votes depend on how they feel after the questions happen. They seem to have some ideas, but that can change. Natalie's age lie may have the jury thinking she is a troublemaker who hasn't done anything, rather than a manipulator; Kevin seems to look like he's been doing things and took out Jeff, rather than part of a team with Natalie; and Jordan may appear to have been carried through the game, rather than surviving the demise of her alliance; or visa versa. I think it's going depend on the questions and answers, and maybe even influence from each other, particularly Michele since, of them, she was there the longest.
In essence, I dunno, lol

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
I think originally Kevin was going to take Jordan. Given the change of circumstances, with the third person not going to jury until the last minute, I think Kevin will now take Natalie. Especially with America voting. Kevin is afraid that Jordan will get that vote and of course Natalie's. If he is up against Natalie, I think he gets Michele,Lydia,Russell and America's vote.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 9:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
If Kevin hasn't figured out yet that he needs to take Natalie, he deserves to lose. He knows Jordan has America's vote and Jeff's as well. He surely should know that America's vote would go to him if he's against Natalie plus he wouldn't lose Natalie's vote. I think Russell and even Michelle would vote for him over Natalie. Lydia will too. Jeff and Jordan will vote the same and if Jeff learned of the LML or any other of Nat's antics, he'd go Kevin too. Jordan may be too bitter if Kevin puts her out but she's got hardly any time to mess with the jury.

So much depends on who puts out who from f3. They've all promised each other f2 so whoever leaves is gonna be pissed (although they'd be doing the same to someone else but that won't register).

Me? I hope for a N/K final. I hate the thought of Jordan getting any of the prize money.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Kevin will not beat Natalie.
The majority of the jury has endorsed and or committed backstabbing all season.
They are going to be lapping up Natalie's tales of controlling the entire game.

I hate a floaters game more than anything and Kevin played a classic one.
Jordan and Natalie were true to their core alliance's. They both picked up strays and ditched them when they had to do so. They hid behind bigger players and were never in any real danger of going.

But these 3 are what we have and that is it.
I can live with a Kevin win.
I can live with a Jordan win.
If Natalie wins then the "Brat" strategy will be a strategy that we will see for years to come and I for one wish to never be subjected to that again.

Bonbonlover
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Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
kev would beat Nat... in jury he has Jeff, Russell, Lydia and then he has America...

Caprica
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Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Russell will vote for Natalie.
He may vote for Kevin if he is sitting next to Jordan.
Jordan only gets his vote if she puts Natalie out with a really good zinger about her age lie.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
I think K can beat N more than he can beat J. lol Funny how we all see things so differently.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I guess we will have to see what happens.
What we think is good game play may not be what the jury thinks is good game play.
They may not even have a clue what game play even means.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I don't think Jor and Jeff will necessarily vote the same. They may not have time to talk about it at all.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Sure they will. The evictee goes from the house to the jury in the studio and they start the questioning. How hard is it for Jeff to look at her and say K or N.

On second thought, he'd better be a little clearer than that. lol

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
But Russell said the only person he did not want to see walking in the jury house was Kevin... He wanted Kevin to win the whole thing! Lydia agreed and said. "Russell, you are my favorite right now"