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Nala63
Member
09-20-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:14 pm
jordan SO outplayed nat.
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Luvbbplayers
Member
07-14-2006
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:14 pm
ty mummy. Nite all
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Bbnut
Member
06-12-2006
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:14 pm
Funny how Natalie told the Jury she didn't backstab and then she told ED she backstabbed...and she wants a BB wedding...NO ONE WILL BE WATCHING...and BB knows that no one will want to watch...just sweep her under the rug and lock the doors...See ya'll next year.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:15 pm
Lydia I'll say was a huge factor Natalie could win over more Jury votes. I knew that was coming. I was surprised by Jessie's vote but I did say a win for her could bruise his ego. Michelle it was a forgone conclusion how Jeff voted she would vote and perhaps Jordans really only stupid move on that panel was her send off to Russel.
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Carry09
Member
08-04-2009
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:16 pm
nataLIE lost. It Hurts. (for her...not me) It's Over. She should be happy that jordan took her to final two. Kevin wasn't. Congrats on the nupials Nat...Good Luck with that.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:16 pm
It seems to me that Natalie played the same game as Jordan, both hid behind strong players, only Natalie told unneccessary lies, and had a meaness about it that was hard to stomach, while Jordan played naively and as nice as she could. I think that is the difference in the two.
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12player34
Member
08-12-2009
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:18 pm
C1mag, I am definitely not saying Natalie's game was perfect. But, it was much more complete than all of the F6 that were left and infinitely more than Jordan's. Did you watch Russell's interviews with Dick? He said it best. Natalie played the game but the jury voted personally. Kevin said the same thing. The thing is, a woman playing like Natalie has never won and probably never will. But, like I said, those votes weren't for Jordan but votes against Natalie. But, I do think Natalie has the type of game where you don't appreciate until you leave the house. IE, I believe Jeff, Michele, Jordan and even Jessie will respect Natalie more and realize she was a big plot of the big moves this game. Jeff doesn't think Natalie had ANYTHING to do with his eviction and believed at the time that if Natalie won HOH she wouldn't have put him up because she's so honest. She played him like a fiddle.
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Bbnut
Member
06-12-2006
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:18 pm
Jordan didn't throw any comps.
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Lulu
Member
08-13-2009
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:18 pm
It is how you finish the game that matters she lost! Jordan kicked her **** in competition and Game!
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Nala63
Member
09-20-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:18 pm
i love that nat told dick that jesse voted against her because he found out she was engaged and he had true feelngs for her, roflmao.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:19 pm
Each of the houseguests were afraid to talk to Dick, but I found him nice to each one, and they were surprised, they expected worse. Yes, he is arrogant, but at least we got to see some interviews. I would have liked him to ask more questions, such as Why did Jessie NOT vote for Natalie, etc. but I am sure we will get those questions asked in other interviews over the next few days. I think he was trying to come across as the "father" telling them what to expect when they get into the outside world. If he was overwhelmed by it, I could just imagine how some of them will be.
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Bbnut
Member
06-12-2006
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:20 pm
She so believes Jessie...LMAO...glad...she got got by Jessie's lie. LOL
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:20 pm
See I have to agree with luv for this house Natalies game failed and there really is nothing that says if you yell while standing behind someone who is protecting you and dragging you along and you lie that it means wow you've played the better game. The best game it appears was the person who could just get to the end by taking themselves there and then endearing themselves to the majority of that group. Some like for lack of a better word UGLY play and think thats just awesome while some appreciate something a little different. Of the final 3 I thought this was Kevins game hands down. Jordan and Natalie it was a toss up all along for me. I just didn't get Natalies lying for no reason. that confused me.
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12player34
Member
08-12-2009
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:21 pm
Nala63, that is what happened. I think Jessie expected Natalie to roll over and die after he left and preach her love for him but she didn't. I was shocked, because I remember her being sad the night he left, but then the next day she was bragging how he needed to go and that she was using him and that she was behind all their moves. And, she mentioned all this to Lydia who went back to the Jury House to spill.
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Sabbatia
Member
08-15-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:22 pm
I think Nat was really upset finding out Jessie was playing footsie with Lydia. She THOUGHT she was playing Jessie, but I think that let her know he was really playing HER.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:24 pm
I felt bad for Kevin, but Jordan had to think for herself and she knew that taking Kevin would put her in 2nd place. I really hate that Nat won some money, but Jordan did do the right thing.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:25 pm
12 it's apples and oranges as to a persons taste in game play. Of course the two that voted for her think she played better. She was ugly enough to be appreciated by a previous ugly player but does it mean they are correct in saying she was the better player? Not really. It appears she read this house wrong and they would collectively vote differently. I do agree if a female plays this hardcore she better have one incredible end game with that jury. She's got to be gracious, articulate, and HONEST, and humble and break down her game of so called great strategy. Not sit there and plead to her so called alliance to vote for her. She did none of those things. Danielle who wasn't an ugly player suffered because of bruised egos but she admits also she got tongue tied with the jury. Alison acted oblivious to the hatred she faced. If Natalie was a student of this game she needed to look at those factors if she was going to play this type of game.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:26 pm
I also think Natalie lost Jessie's vote when it was obvious she was throwing comps. He even mentioned how she wasn't trying to win during the smores comp. I think in the end, Jessie respected the player who ultimately stepped up and won challenges to earn their way to the end. If Jordan was in F2 with Kevin, he would have won by a vote of 5-2 or 4-3 easily.
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Muffin
Member
08-29-2007
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:29 pm
I just want to say that when they showed Jeff and then Michele going into the JH, Jessie screaming out of excitement with such glee turned me off. Shows the kind of poor loser he is.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:30 pm
I would have been disappointed in Michelle if she wouldn't have voted for Kevin over Jordan. Fair is fair and Kevin really did outplay those two girls. Jeff I can understand the whole loyalty thing. I would have expected a 5-1 jury vote and 5-2 adding americas vote into the mix. I can't believe she almost guessed that number correctly LOL
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12player34
Member
08-12-2009
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:30 pm
C1mag, there was nothing Natalie could have done no matter how great her speech was. I hear you about being honest and humble and gracious, but the jury would look at that as just kissing ass. And, you bring up Alison and I thought her speech was excellent. She articulated her strategy very well and I was convinced she won. But, she burned alot of people on that jury, even when she explained why she did it, yet they wouldn't give her credit. Besides that, Jun was far less offesnive in their eyes and that was another season where it was just a vote against someone rather than a vote for someone. But, no matter what Natalie said, the juries mind was convinced before she uttered a word. I do think if she had admitted she lied, and played everyone, and admitted to the age lie and all the other lies that set Michele and Russell up, they'd hate her even more.
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Nala63
Member
09-20-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:30 pm
i agree chere
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:35 pm
12 a good speaker can do amazing things in the end and I do feel it's an element that is a key factor and it's not about kissing ass it's about ownership. It's about mapping out every move to prove you did play the game so much more "superior" then the person sitting next to you. It's humbly challenging egos to understand the reasons why you did what you did to them within the game. If they bite and understand it perhaps you've garnered the votes you needed. I disagree that Alison spoke effectively to the jury. She bragged and was oblivious to their anger. They both were taking off guard by the anger. I do agree I would have voted for Alison as I got her competitive nature but I also may have been turned off by the bragging. It wasn't as if the other female didn't get a dose of reality of hatred. That became a vote of the lesser of two evils in their eyes and Jun really was caught by surprise afterwards. Actually they both were.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:40 pm
12 and C1, ICAM. If you take away the ugly stuff in Natalie's game, she played it near perfect. Her downfall was leaving her fate in K's hands by jumping off the log and then losing that lame part2 comp to Jordan. Noone voted for Jordan's game cause Jordan didn't play. Natalie played her heart out. Did ya see how absolutely stunned Jordan was to hear that Natalie ever lied to her? It never crossed her mind because the glaring clues went over her head at wharped speed over and over again. Nat's biggest mistake though was trashing Mr. Pectacular to Lydia although I think it was also game. She worked like hell to be Lydia's BFF after Jesse was evicted. It was about numbers.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:42 pm
Another problem with natalie is when Russ gave her the floor to pimp her game and what did she do? She mentioned being honest. Even he was laughing and shaking his head. You really do blow it when you keep going with your lies and whats even scary is when someone like that Ronnie who's whole game plan was to be evil and create chaos and he's saying for him she just took the lying too a new level. I suspect he was placating to an America that couldn't stand him but there is some irony when someone like that is even saying.. Dear you went just a tad too far so that it wasn't appreciated but frowned at. I love this game and the many levels you can play it on but even I kept saying it's just a bit much. If I was on the jury would I be impressed or insulted she went beyond what was necessary and more important do I really feel she played the game great or is she just over selling that and just like the other girl she hid beind someone and moved on to the next person?
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