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Jury votes, thoughts?

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Pajenster
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08-04-2008

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pajenster a private message Print Post    
DON'T HATE THE PLAYERS!!! HATE THE GAME!!!!

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Natalie was so used to throwing comps that she forgot to try during the jury questions.

Michele's question opened her up to admit the age lie and she never owned it and it ticked off the jury.She never owned up to any of her real strategy and Russell gave her way to much credit imo.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 9:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
If Kevin had kept Michelle and gone to F2 with her, he may have won the $500,000. Had he really been a good gameplayer, that's what he would have done.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
You know what I think? Natalie's allies IN the jury house were totally turned off and voted AGAINST her. She completely lost it over the lasast DVD and her answers to the jury questions.. she could have won, maybe but claiming she played the same game Jordan did and not acknowledging the age lie.. sealed her fate.

yay

Russell and Kevin at least thought she played the better game so voted FOR her.

And I think Natalie should AT LEAST give back the hoodie.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 10:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I suspect Kevin would not have voted for her had he known about the age lie and after she talked about her perfect alliance with Jessie, Chima and Ronnie. He looked quite disappointed in her.

Nat MIGHT have had a chance had she come clean about the lies and explained why she lied. At least the jurors would have seen it more as game play. The fact that she just kept lying just made her sound like a big fat liar!

I loved tonight. Other than the Lydia moments, all is well in my Big Brother world!

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Lessee. One America vote, One Shomance vote, One Bitter vote, One Sour Grapes vote and One Copy-catter vote. Way to go JORDAN!

I've defended Jesse in the past. Now, I think he's just a tool. Someone please explain to me where his natalie-hate originates. I flat out don't get it.

Natalie can thank him and Lydia for the loss. She should've won this thing if we really wanted to crown the best of these two.

Hell, next year they can find another J/J, give America a vote at every eviction or whenever a good player that noone likes is actually making progress, call it America's Most Wanted Favorite and we can get legitimate warm fuzzies.

Maybe someone else will start a real BB game.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Natalie really didn't think through what she should tell the jury. She sat there talking about hiding behind strong alliance members, such as Jesse (physical - out #5), Ronnie (strategic - out #4), and Chima (mental [seriously??!] - expelled). No props to Lydia (jury member), Russell (jury member) or Kevin (jury member and the one who got her to the final 3). If she's as much a fan of the show as she claims, she should know enough to own her lies, but she continued to lie to the jury.

Jordan may not have been the best player ever in Big Brother, but she was a definitely a better finalist than Natalie.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Merry, I agree. I also think Nat thought the jury would think how she thinks about things esp. about Chima. Big mistake.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
I agree -- it's pretty clear that Natalie didn't have much of a strategy for winning jury votes. I don't know how she thought she could get Lydia's vote by saying that her main goal was to keep Lydia away from Jessie. Apparently, she thought the jury would value "loyalty" the most?! Plus, she left a bad goodbye message for Michele.

That really puts into doubt how much of her gameplay was really strategic rather than emotional ("must stay loyal"). That makes her no better than Jordan. The difference was that Jordan won the competitions when it counted and was more likeable.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 3:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Well I think Kevin voted for Natalie because he was still so full of the Natalie Koolaid. I think Russ is a bit chauvinistic and didn't think a girl should win, so he voted for Natalie.

Jes my thoughts on the matter....

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 4:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Very surprised at Natalie's failure to think through her jury questioning. As much as she practiced her lies in the house, you would think she would have rehearsed and rehearsed how to explain herself in a fashion designed to appeal to the jury's "player" sensibilities.

Instead she just continued to play them as if they were fools. No Machiavellian master plans were unveiled, no team-saving efforts behind the scenes, and she never even saved herself really - Kevin executed the LML.

Basically, she just presented as a garden-variety liar with a mean streak down her back.

I'm glad Jesse didn't vote for her. It's possibly the one thing (outside of losing the money and popular vote) that may cause Natalie to reexamine her behavior and how she is perceived as a result of it.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Here is why I think the votes went down the way they did:

Jesse - because Nat got engaged (jealous)

Lydia - hates Nat, and will do what Jesse does

Jeff - No Vote - due to stupid outfit at the nomination ceremony - LOL!! (and of course he'd vote for Jordan!)

Michele - hates Nat, loves Jordo

America - No explanation needed!

Russell - would never vote for Jeff's girl

Kevin - Jordan just broke their F2 deal, but if he knew about Natalie's age lie, I think his vote would have gone to Jordan instead.

I'm very happy that it worked out this way, sorry for Kevin (a little) but the only thing I'm sorry about with Natalie, is that she got $50K.

I'm sure Natalie will drive friends and family to drink insisting that she ALMOST won BB! HA!

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I think the only people who voted for gameplay were Russell and Jesse. Jesse in particular was really irked at Nat's antics in the Smores HOH- she wasn't subtle in throwing it. Jesse may not have liked Jordan, but he respected her gameplay more than Nat's. Russell was probably because he ended up respecting Nat's gameplay- even though she pushed it too hard- over Jordan's despite her winning the last 2 parts of the HOH comp.

Lydia was never going to vote for Natalie.

Jeff was always going to vote for Jordan.

Michelle didn't like Natalie, and liked Jordan.

Kevin voted for Nat only because Jordan voted him out- but based on his reaction to the age lie, I think he might have voted Jordan if he had known about it.


I have to give it to Jordan- she went with her gut, and picked the right person to go to F2 with: If she had kept Kevin, I think she would have lost 4-3 or 5-2:

Jeff and the audience vote would have been the only sure votes for her- Jesse and Russell probably would have voted for Kevin because of better gameplay- he won at least 2 must-win comps, including the last POV. Lydia and Natalie would have definitely voted for him, and Michelle might have even voted for him for being the better player strategically.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
Some people just can't win. Jordan is said to be a poor choice as winner. . . but she got herself to final 2! Jeff is said to have only voted for Jordan b/c of their relationship. Well, yeah. What would you be saying about him if he hadn't voted for her?

I love this result. I love that someone who had no strategy and was just herself (and guessed 50 for almost everything) won this game.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 4:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Wool, IHKaysar, if that's what floats yer boat, you should be happy cause it worked out just like you wanted. Someone who had no strategy and guessed really good won.

Jordan may have gotten herself to f2 but she didn't get herself to f12,f11,f10,f9,f8,f7,f6,f5,f4,or f3. So, it's not that some people can't win, it's that some people want more to make them happy. lol

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I would say that as much as Jordan talked about her winning the last 2 comps....it's so much easier when there are only 2 of you competing! I'll give her the "ball rolling" one because she did very well on that one. The last one was a crapshoot.

You've got a 50/50 shot at it.

Penny
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07-14-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Penny a private message Print Post    
Iheasrt... except that one time Jordan guessed 924 or 324 or whatever number she wrote down LOL!!!

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Jordan said she wrote 24 after scribbling out some other ridiculous something.

Seems like the better players have no luck in any of those dumb downed comps and the lesser players end up with a win. Natalie lucked out on that other tie breaker question too. Ya just never know who the bb gods will be hovering over from one day to the next. lol

Sassyza
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09-03-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassyza a private message Print Post    
I guess the philosophy by some is if a 'better' player doesn't win, the competition was 'dumbed' down.

Kevin had as much of a shot winning the last comp, in fact, I think it was pure luck Jordan guessed the right number. I wish Kevin had won because I think he would have taken Jordan and then I think Kevin would have won.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I'm with ya Sassy.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
I'm with ya too, Sassy. Chippy's an idiot. lol

Sassyza
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09-03-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassyza a private message Print Post    
Awwwww...come on....I didn't call you an idiot. I just don't think we see eye to eye on everything here but isn't it great that we get to share our opinions.

Trisha1
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09-08-2007

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trisha1 a private message Print Post    
Heeythar Chippy, you got it-it floats m'boat, turns ma crank fills ma boots and all that!!
Whoopee-the right person won out of those two. Who decides who is the "better" player. I guess the jury has spoken so wear it.
until my 1 or 2 posts next year, adios goodbye happy holidays sweet dreams and fiddledee

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
This result was typical of mediocrity ruling. So prevalent these days. I already was disappointed on Sunday when the green family lost The Neighborhood show to two families that had won nothing up until then.