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Moelicious
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07-21-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 3:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moelicious a private message Print Post    
For the life of me, I can't understand how Jessie did not vote for Natalie to win the 55K. Lydia must have had a big influence during their late night cuddle sessions in the jury house. When he was evicted, he and Natalie were tight. What happened? Any thoughts?

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 3:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
I had wondered if Jessie had heard that Natalie said she could control him. I don't even remember who she said it to, maybe just Kevin, I forget, but she said so many things I think the other HGs, not just Lydia, must have had an influence on him.

It could have also been her answers to the jury. I thought that had she answered Lydia's question that Michele was her nemesis, or whatever the question was, then she may have gained more votes. Natalie saying Lydia was bc Natalie saw Lydia putting wedge between she and Jessie may have been it, though; that was an odd answer.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 3:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I think Jessie felt betrayed by Nat, he literally looked angry when Natalie spoke.

And yes, I do think Lydia had a major role in making Jessie feel that way. Natalie's arrogance in answering the jury questions just reinforced those feelings...with Jessie and most of the jury.

Oliviamimi
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05-30-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 3:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oliviamimi a private message Print Post    
I really think Jessie had a thing for Natalie. I remember him at one point saying that he really was attracted to her but that she had a boyfriend. Supposedly she was taking a break in her relationship, then all of the sudden she announces that she got engaged. I think once again his ego did the talking.

Mamalama
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09-15-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 4:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamalama a private message Print Post    
I'm surprised Nat didn't get Jesse' vote. Glad but surprised. I actually wanted Kevin to win the last HOH hoping he would take Jordan. So Nat wouldn't get any money.

Cruzlvr
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11-13-2003

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cruzlvr a private message Print Post    
I think Jesse didn't vote for Nat because she did not try to win anything. It became obvious with the one tape he saw in the jury house of the hot chocolate comp when she threw it big time. Love or hate Jesse he is a big competitor and to see that someone didn't even try upset him. He saw that Jordan really tried at the comps. Plus the fact that her answers to the jury were obvious trying to kiss their butt rather than telling the truth (Her lies finally did her in) LOL

Jagger
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08-07-2002

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jagger a private message Print Post    
I think it was a combination of things, Nat saying she was just using Jessie to further herself in the game. Nat talking bad about Jessie to Lydia after he was gone. Nat telling Nat things he and Nat had said. But I think the main thing was Nat saying one thing to Jessie and turning around telling someone else just the opposite.
His vote really didn't surprise me, especially after the way Nat and Jordan answered there questions, Jordan seemed to do a better job of it.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scorpiomoon a private message Print Post    
Here's my theory:

I think Jesse was completely over the game and didn't give a crap about what Nat did or said. I think he wanted to do one last thing that would draw attention to him and keep people talking about him. He wants to be remembered for doing something unexpected.

It's always abouot Jesse wanting to upstage everyone else.

Tvclubber
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06-22-2008

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvclubber a private message Print Post    
Whatever his reason(s) for voting for Jordan, I'm glad. I was surprised and glad. Did I say glad?

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
I was totally shocked Jessie voted for Jordan.

Then I was remembering how he acted when Lydia entered the jury house. It was just a vibe I got, not a definite thing he said. He immediately told Lydia that Natalie was not 18 and it was the way he said it. He seemed like he had been thinking a lot about how Natalie was playing. Maybe he was bitter that she was nominated against him and he was the one to go.

I noticed too, that he emphasized that he made his own moves, that they were his alone. So, it must have gotten back to him that Natalie was taking credit for things Jessie did in the house.

That was one of the better moments for me--Jessie voting for Jordan.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I think Jesse had had enough of Nat when he saw the stuff she pulled in the smores comp- he probably didn't mind the lies too much, but Nat wasn't even subtle in how she threw that comp because she didn't want to win it. He respects the game and how it's played- he gave Jeff props for using CDT, even though it cost him- and Nat wasn't even trying until the F4 HOH. Even when she won that, she didn't have to make any decisions- it's all about POV then and she took the easy way out by giving up POV in the PB thing (which made it a must-win for Kevin at that point).

Jordan at least tried- and pulled out 2 comp wins that in her mind she had to win (she didn't know Kevin would have likely evicted Natalie).

When Jesse said Hakuna Mattata to Jordan when he voted, I knew Jordan was going to win- which shocked the heck out of me (I thought Jordan win once it was between her and Nat- but I had it 4-3, with Michelle/Jeff/Lydia/Audience for Jordan- Jesse was the shock vote)...

Lake_gal
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06-09-2004

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lake_gal a private message Print Post    
Jessie had alot of time to think in the JH the first week. Lydia showed up and he told her about Natalie's age lie. Then he seemed to just find joy in telling everyone about it. He got attention by spilling Natalie's lies. And he also heard the crowd and knew they liked Jordan and disliked Natalie. Jessie is still trying to deal with America not liking him. I think he was also hoping to make America like him by voting the popular person.

Dawn
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07-24-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dawn a private message Print Post    
I'm very curious about this too, especially since Jessie has always said that he never talked to jordan so he didn't really know her. so then why give her a vote?

some theories...
-He's bitter and has heard that natalie told other HG's that she was just using jessie
-He's bitter that she's now engaged
-Jessie is truly a guy about winning comps and is upset that natalie never tried.
-during the jury discussion he said "no matter what natalie says, everything I did, i did on my own, she had no influence" and then during the jury questioning natalie said "i had a hand in everything that jessie did"

Necie
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09-07-2006

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Necie a private message Print Post    
Whatever the one thing or combination of things that made Jessie vote for Jordan over Natalie, I am just glad and gleeful. Natalie thought if she made it to the final two that she had the win in the bag. I am so glad the air was let out of her boastful lungs. I know Jordan didn't have a clue as to what she was doing but she won and Natalie didn't! Jessie voting for Jordan was just he icing on the cake for me. I knew Jordan would win if she took Natalie to the final two, just didn't know it was gonna be 5-2.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Been thinking about this myself:
* Jessie voted against Natalie, not for Jordan
* He didn't like that they were working together, but he got burned by America while week after week, she didn't
* At first he generously acknowledged others' game, while no one seemed to be acknowledging his, and worse, they were giving credit to his protege
* Lydia told him about the trashing that followed the widows' wake
* Distance from the game made his relationship with Natalie less important
* Once his eyes were opened, he didn't like seeing Natalie let others do the work like he did - the competitions, and noms/evictions, and the lies

And number one:
* Jessie did not want America to have the deciding vote, so he beat fans to the punch for the first time in two seasons

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
Okay, does anyone remember how Jessie felt one year later about DAN ?

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
It's funny how N seemed to controlling so much in the house. But everything she controlled was just lies. She couldn't come through in the comps even though she was part of the "athletic" clique. She couldn't even answer the jury questions. She's kind of like a kid who really can't do anything but pretends to be able to do everything! I'm sorry she got any money at all.

Jessie just got mad at her for all the lies and the non-productive way she threw/lost comps.JMHO

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Right Reenie when they watch the comp Kevin won after Jeff left the jury seen Nat throw the comp that and her other actions to me is what cost her!

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
Seattle - AND N really threw the comp with the hot chocolate very obviously didn't even try to look like she was trying. I'll bet they saw her spilling onto Jordan's lane too, and I don't think that would sit well with anyone on the jury!

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Wow, every one is listing absolutely everything I'd thought about!

First and foremost, the game was DUN for Jessie by the time he came out to join the audience. He had a "Whatevah" look on the whole time! Much differed than how he is talking to ED later!

To me, the easy answer is that Jessie does not like to be predictable. He wants to make a mark somehow!

I'm sure Lydia said a lot of stuff. But since she dint take credit for that or even looked gleeful for Jessie's vote, I'm not sure he'd given her any word about not giving Nat the Big prize.

He does hold a place in heart for HGs who wins competitions. That Smores comp really displayed how Nat's nasty attitude towards something he deems valuable.

But yes, it did strike me funny that, he just about couldn't wait to expose Nat's age lie to every Jury walking in there.(w/Lydia's help later on) I do think that whole week alone to digest and rehash in his head might have made a lot of differences. I think he began to worry that, as easy as Nat played every other HGs, maybe he was the biggest knucklehead played by her! Notice how he stressed about being in charge, taking credit for every move, making sure all the Jury members know that he was the one throwing punches.-- When they circled the lil' pond. Jessie was so worried that he might be seen as Nat's BizNatch(however Kev said it, heehee!)! I think that might be the one important thing he wants America to know.
Then Nat came and told the Jury how she should win since she was making all the important decisions EARLY in the game W/O ever being the HOH!! AHEMM, that might be the last straw that took away any doubt in Jessie's head that he had to prove to EVERYONE how he, Jessie will not be a little liar girl's puppet! (Yeah, they were all worried about being seen as puppet as well.)

So, yeah, Nat's speech to the Jury did her in also, when she forget to take Jessie's feelings in to consideration. But that speech might be why Russ was won over, it confirmed to Russ how Nat wasn't just a floater. But that's another story. :-)

I thought I heard Nat yelling at Jessie for not giving her a vote at the last second of the show last night. Maybe I was imagining it. But I had a little smile on and thought, well, maybe you need to take a good look at your manipulating attitude now! .. ...

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Just watched Jessie's BY interview on cbs.com and according to him:

* he was indeed not happy that while he was in the house, Natalie told him she was going to win and that she was a serious player - and then she didn't
* he was undecided until jury questioning, and was not happy that Natalie said she chose strong players to ride with - contrary to what she had been telling him in the house, that she was there to win on her own just like he was
* Jordan at least tried at the end

And, as I thought, it comes through loud and clear that America was on his mind when he cast his vote:
* he wanted to show that he does have something in common with America, and after being burned twice by America, would rather work together than against one another

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
Lillian - thanks for that info, I haven't had a chance to watch his interview yet.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Wow & wow!
Jessie wants to be with the In crowd! Hahaha! He is thinking about his future pool of viewers!

Funny that he thought Natalie really had the ability to win competitions in the house. So he never noticed her throwing?? But then again, I thought Nat looked at herself as a strong player for real when she first aligned with Jess. I think she said that(Ride w/a strong player) to please Jess and it back-fired. Haha

Whatever, I'm glad he dint give Nat the vote.

Thanks for the tip Lil, :-) I'm going to cbs site now.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
and it didn't actually matter in the end anyway- Jordan had would have won even if Jessie had voted for Nat (since Lydia was never going to vote for Nat anyway, it would have been 4-3 with the AC vote the decider)

Necie
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09-07-2006

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Necie a private message Print Post    
Well I guess we have our answers as to why he voted for Jordan over Natalie. It seems pretty cut and dried. She messed herself up in the end with not crediting Jessie, she forgot about his extreme ego. He also wants to be liked and he is so like the guy that gets sand kicked in his face by the big muscle dude in the old advertisement. Remember those? He is still an insecure puny boy under all those muscles.