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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:58 pm
Sass, Julie even asked her if she was faking and she said no. Tough to interpret that as she was faking it. And sweet little Jordan lied with the best of em. She just did it sweetly. lol
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:01 pm
I was saying to another poster last night that I suppose you could personally script Jessie's reasons for voting the way he did any way you want. He's given his reasons. I get them. Obviously because he didn't vote for Natalie she's going to feel differently. Both he and Lydia's votes are actually real good examples of just how much Natalie's game was risky. As a lover of the game I appreciate her attempt but it was a failure in the way she administered her play. If a person brings personal to the table when they are voting along with evaluating their game she needed to be more aware of that and not just assume by early association he'd vote for her. Someone like Russ appreciates a loud game plan where the player comes out yelling and grandstanding and essentially hiding behind others while creating a character that the camera's follow. They try their hardest to claim someone else's game moves as their own when really it's much ado about nothing. There is no rule or guideline that states that's better game play. When you apply being negative to that equation you are officially walking the line between descent floater vs real foolish player. In fact she proved in the end it wasn't the best play for this group. Some may even laugh at that little game. You become one of the most talked about personalities of the season but that's potentially the trade for the larger money. I think that Jessie looked beyond her performances in trying to suggest she was this great game player and came to the conclusion she was riding coattails which she admitted. Great she capitalized on Kevin's attempt at lying and offered herself as a fake alliance with others. They all periodically did that. Lying is allowed however it may not be the winning combination in the end. Being more aggressive and louder or coming off more slithering about it in my opinion was a ruse in the event she was seen as nothing but a coattail rider. He saw Jordan's game as very similar in riding coattails making deals with some as needed weather planned or by weekly circumstance without being as loud and came to the conclusion which ever one of them got to the finish line first he'd vote for. It's a fair vote when you look at it that way. With those two that's exactly how I would have voted.
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Reenie
Member
06-24-2006
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:01 pm
Chippy, you have got a point about Jessie's "showmanship". When he evicted Casey, didn't he wear some crazy getup? Straw hat?
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:12 pm
Yes, Reenie and he said something like move yer feet and change yer seat or some such. He also ripped off a shirt in the jury house, incredible hunka burnin' love that he ain't. And let's not forget that Nat told Russell she'd send him a bd present named Jeff the next week and she did. I'm sure she thought Jeff would be proud of her for that. He sure seemed happy to see Jeff and was begging for it to be him so yeah, douch fits.
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C1mag
Member
07-12-2005
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 1:55 pm
If Jessie was evicted for his game which would include those performances then the idea would be it's probably not the best way to endear yourself to a jury of your peers. Are you the better player for acting like a fool? Or just a coattail rider acting like a fool?
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 2:03 pm
I think Natalie's get up was an homage to Jessie's, and I believe she thought her friends on the jury would enjoy it, not knowing most had turned against her already. Jessie is a showman definitely - but he's certainly not the first to play BB in the hopes of increasing his exposure in the entertainment business coughJeffcough. Tackier for sure, but it's in line with the kinds of jobs Jessie is interested in, so likely well played.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 4:43 pm
I agree Lillian. Much as I'm told "don't hate the player, hate the game" when I dare criticize J/J, apparently everyone else is fair game. The Natalie hate is proportional to the JJ love. The Jesse hate started on day 1 and never waivered until America got rid of him while propping Jeff in the game. When JJ made their biggest boneheaded moves in the game, fans were annoyed big time, especially when they were trashing M and booting R. Now, Jordan wins and she played a great game. Just more proof that we don't belong in the game at all. Our memories are way too short and we're kinda fickle really. Not a good combo for this game IMNSHO. The way I see it, Jesse wasn't evicted for his game at all, well, except he didn't like the hot guy America was swooning all over. His game was moving along nicely in fact. Hell, we already knew he was a jerkoff from the last time we kicked him out.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 4:45 pm
"How did Jessie NOT vote for Natalie?" I think Jessie was totally mesmerized by his own reflection in the shiny metal keys and he just accidentally put the wrong key in.

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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 4:56 pm
ding,ding,ding,ding... Now that I believe! lol
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:18 pm
Jesse saw the "J" and thought he was voting for himself!!
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Tissy
Member
07-28-2003
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 2:54 pm
The way I see it, Jesse wasn't evicted for his game at all, well, except he didn't like the hot guy America was swooning all over. His game was moving along nicely in fact. Hell, we already knew he was a jerkoff from the last time we kicked him out. Makes me wonder how the game would have played out without the CDE ...
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 4:05 pm
LOL, Tissy, I always wonder what the game would have been like without any former HG's, especially Jesse, coming in.
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Chief
Member
08-09-2009
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 4:36 pm
Jessie voted for Jordan for one reason only: JESSIE! He is all consumed with his personal ego and that, in and of itself, trumped everything else in the game. No matter what he says, here are my reasons for why he voted for Jordan: * He was mad that he was voted out and Natalie got to stay - which to him probably equated to Natalie's game being better than his. So because she made it to the end, he had to make sure that HE got the final word on who was better between their alliance of two. * He didn't want to look like a total dweeb to Jeff, so he accepted that it was a great move for Jeff to use the CDT. To back up his attempt to NOT seem angry, he didn't hold it against Jordan. (Again, to make himself look better.) * He was so totally in love with Natalie, and just KNEW she probably wouldn't want to have anything to do with him after Lydia spilled the "showmance" 411 to Natalie. So, in order to not appear that he was 100% in Natalie's pocket, he tried to hide it by voting for Jordan! (And I think this became especially true after he was told Natalie became engaged on the show.) * Although he kept her secret about being 24 and not 18 years old, he couldn't WAIT to tell everyone when they came to the jury house. Natalie played Jessie, and she played him well. He new she really DID have a great big ol' hand in his every move, and couldn't bring himself to admit it! I wouldn't be surprised if, behind closed doors and off-camera, Jessie apologizes to Natalie and still tries to spark a relationship with her. Lydia may think she's won after spending time with Jessie in the Jury House, but I think Jessie still has a thing for Natalie! 
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 5:00 pm
Well, according to Julie, The CDE was always in the plan rather than a design to save Jeff.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:23 pm

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Queenie
Member
07-09-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 3:31 am
I really can't see Jessie haveing a "thing" for Natalie. To me, with his huge ego he looks like the type that wants to have some arm candy with him. That way when she gets heads turning, he'll probably think they are looking at him. Natalie walks like she is always having to adjust her "package" down there.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 6:34 am
I never got the impression that Jesse was in love with Natalie. He was screwing Lydia while in the house. He was being nicey nice towards Nat from the start because she was in his clique. If she were on a different clique than Jesse he would never have looked at her twice. Jesse started paying the game in full clique mode. Natalie and Jesse games would have be far different if there were no cliques.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 2:39 pm
I think that Jesse and Lydia did not like that Natalie thought that she was automatically getting Jesse vote. Both of them seemed like they wanted real strategic answers from both Natalie and Jordan. Jordan tried to give them what they wanted and Natalie gave them nothing. In the end I think Jesse and possibly Lydia voted strictly based on the jury Q&A. Kevin,Russell,Jeff and Michele voted personally.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 2:48 pm
That assumes Lydia and Jesse even cared about strategy. They'd already blown Natalie off the first week they were together in the jury house. They were thrilled to pieces to out her one (very minor compared to the others Lydia knew about and Jesse too) lie about being 18 as if to say to everyone that entered, she gotcha. They were done with Natalie and I doubt there was anything she was going to do to change that. Who knows what Lydia filled his head (the big one) with once she arrived. Jesse couldn't even consider that maybe Natalie needed to play Lydia to get her to her side cause they were between a rock and a hard place. Jesse has made up several reasons he didn't vote for Natalie and none make any sense. One interview I saw said he was voting for whoever won the last HOH. Now there's a braintrust for ya. Hell with the other 80 days... one crapshoot comp = winner. Uh. Okay.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 4:41 pm
Jesse was really upset when he saw that competition where Natalie wasn't even trying to win. I think that proved to him that she lost comps while he was in the house because she threw them, and that didn't sit well with him. As he said, he wanted people to protect him, and he wasn't happy that Natalie kept talking about how she was going to win comps, but the only one she won was purely by accident.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 8:58 pm
Well, if he'd move away from his ego for one second, he'd realize that Natalie was a fierce protector of him and her alliance. Once he left (through no fault of hers), she had to survive and she did, in fact, against the odds. He dang well knows that. She sent him "gifts"... her way of telling him she got vengence and admired his showmanship. Instead he remained his superficial self and got her good by voting for someone whose game I feel certain he did not respect. And Lydia, well, there is just no explaining her jesse love. Yowza.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Friday, September 18, 2009 - 9:36 pm
Jeff sent Russell to Jesse, and Kevin sent Jeff and Michele. Natalie may say that it was all her doing, but she didn't do any of it by herself. Even with the one HOH that she won, it made no difference who she nominated, and she didn't control the vote.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 7:03 am
Lydia and Jesse wanted to vote based on strategy. Lydia's jury question to Natalie was "Who was your biggest threat in the game and how were you instrumental in their eviction"? She said Lydia,she was on the block with Lydia for crying out loud.She had no part in her eviction. She should have said Michele. She sould have said that the success of her "Green Room Lie" caused the major blow up with Russ,Michele and Chima which undermined any alliances that they tried to form after that point in the game. Natalie did not take credit for her work. The jury should vote based on jury Q&A not what they think they know. Russ and Michele also asked Nat questions that had she answered honestly would have pointed out her very successful strategy. Natalie LIED to the jury. Only she knows why.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 7:29 pm
I think Jesse could not reward Nat for throwing the cocoa comp and for saying she didn't win things because she didn't feel she had to. I think later on (in the backyard after the finale) Jesse realized that maybe he could get some positive feelings from America if they realized that he voted the same way they did...for Jordan.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Monday, September 21, 2009 - 2:34 am
Reading all of the above I have to ask... Why did Nat insist that Michele tell everyone about her engagement if she knew that ment that she would not get Jessie's vote? It makes no sense to disregard a jury vote. To me the whole Jessie was into Nat thing isn't real. Yes, Nat cuddled/slept with Jessie, but I beleive it was to keep him away from others and at the same time pushing him away (hygene? and more). I think Jessie also used the relationship with Nat as a cover from the overly agressive Lydia. I don't think Jessie wanted a showmance. I think the sexmance was forced on him. (Yikes I am defending Jessie.) Lydia was relentless. As for Lydia, during the first week of the show Lydia and Jordan were together all the time, even sharing a bed (Remember Lydia was willing to go either way to advance herself.). Yes things changed, but Lydia and Jordan did bond as friends at first. Lydia probably did remember that when it was time to vote. Lydia and Nat were never really close. Trash talking does not equal close. Lydia bonded with Jordan the first week, and never with Nat. Trash talk aside after Jessie left, Lydia liked Jordan more. Lydia would have done better to bond with Michele. How did Jessie NOT vote for Natalie? HE GOT PLAYED and he finally knew it (Yes he might have a brain muscle.).
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