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Rslover
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11-19-2002

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Rslover
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11-19-2002

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Aerojunki
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LOL, Rslover

She is selling some things on Ebay already

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 9:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
<77>

While she wasn't my favorite person in the house, she wasn't my least favorite either. I do think she played a good game- way better than some, not as good as others.

So many ironies...
- One of the biggest Jordan defenses when anyone dares question her performance is "whoever wins deserves it, no matter how they won". Well, Natalie won 2nd prize. Why does it matter how she did it?
- So many couldn't wait for her to be off their screen and out of their lives and yet still hate on her and wonder why they won't be seeing her in Vegas.
- Many a male has played the game equally as viciously. They're patted on the back, praised, and invited back regularly. Not so for females.
- So many are given passes for what we learn about them on a personal level (upbringing, lifestyle, etc.) but Natalie gets no breaks and in fact quite the opposite.

IMHO, Natalie is just as human as the rest of us and in the context of the show, it was fair game to call out everything but the game is over. It just screams pitiful that she seems to have no idea just how hated she was and not just for her game. I can only imagine what this could do to someone in the real world. Seriously. I worry some for her.

In case she ever reads on here, I'd say...

Chin UP, Natalie. You made some of the best moves I've seen in 11 seasons. I really hope you can put all this behind you and be happy in your life. Hang on to the people that love you and never look back.

Oh and I think she looked great on finale night- hair, make-up, dress, all of it. Jordan was sweet to help her with all that. It seems that Natalie hasn't had much in the way of female influence in her life.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rslover a private message Print Post    
<77>
Natalie is fair game as her actions speak volumes and 99.9% of America dislikes her, and I am being kind.

FYI, I hated ED for his actions, so gender has nothing to do with it. Never thought I could have more disdain for anyone, but then there's Nat. So, there ya go.

Needlenose
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09-16-2005

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I was curious to see what was on ebay . . . ASU shirt is a "buy-now" for $199.99, and there are 0 bids on the other three items that Natalie was modeling. I did not see any other items from other hg's just Natalie's and you know, the girl puzzles me, I just want her to be the Christian she claims to be. I was waiting to see the lying stopped . . . with forgiveness, joy, and love demonstrated in her after-game interviews . . . but!!!

Kyline
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08-21-2005

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I'll start with something positive. When she fixes her hair and makeup, Natalie can be beautiful. If you had never witnessed her personality, and just saw some of the still photographs of her from finale night, I think many could find her lovely.

Now on to my peeves LOL.

Natalie, it would only be a "Big Brother Wedding" if BOTH participants were on the show. This is not a Rob & Amber situation. Now, if Jeff & Jordan get engaged? THAT would be a weeding worth airing (and I'm not a JJ fan...just saying).

What REALLY came out in the finale, and what really started driving me nuts the last two weeks, is that above all else, Natalie must be RIGHT. She is so very much like Maggie in this way. Remember how every other sentence out of Maggie's mouth was "I know that!"

Watching her during the Final 4 interview insisting that she KNEW that she wouldn't get Jessie's vote? Absolutely a lie. But she will never, ever admit that she made a mistake, or misjudged somebody. Sure, she was constantly telling Kevin & Jordan that she didn't have Jesse's vote, but yes, Kevin, she was LYING.

What really surprised me, though, was how Natalie just bombed the jury questions. While I won't give her credit for much, I will give her tons of credit for being able to think on her feet, remember every little detail of everything that happens, and being able to talk 90 miles an hour without ever stuttering or hesitating.

Because of those skills, I thought she would OWN the jury over Jordan. I thought surely Natalie would just lay it on the line, and spell out every one of her lies and manipulations, to show how hard she played, and that she was winning that way, even if she didn't win competitions.

She had the ace to pull out, by admitting to the 18 year old lie, and show that she had a strategy from the day she walked in the house. I can't believe she kept that lie up, when it could have been evidence of her master plan, especially since she should have seen that the jury was very interested in whether she or Jordan had strategies from the beginning, or whether they just accidentally fell into the final two.

But in the end, Natalie didn't say one word to justify winning, other than "I stayed true to my alliance." Jordan used it too. When did that ever become a strategy? Hell, that's what 99 percent of alliance members do LOL.

I thought for sure that the engagement was fake, but darned if that boy didn't have a look of adoration on his face. I'll never understand how someone could have watched Natalie all season, whether just on the show, or on the live feeds, and come away thinking "Now THAT'S the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with!"

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 10:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rslover a private message Print Post    
NN,
I didn't see the shirt but I can't stop laughing at what she is selling. OMG.

YOU ALL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS
NAT'S CRAP ON EBAY

Kyline
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08-21-2005

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She's auctioning her SPORTS BRA?????? Oh lord in heaven, how disgusting.

That stuff's on eBay pretty darn quickly for someone who didn't even have Twitter or a Facebook page LOL. Wonder if fiance was getting her all set up to start cashing in?

Needlenose
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09-16-2005

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I posted this somewhere else, but wanted to share the last line so you can see the You Tube where Natalie's goodbye message to Jessie is . . .

Okay, wow, oh Natalie, I just watched the "goodbye" message on YT (now I know it is You Tube, getting there) anyway wow, it was so different to what you told Julie . . . Oh girl, you told Jessie how now no one would look after you like "he" did . . . No kiss-off stuff. Actually watching the YT made me sad for Lydia. Apparently Natalie had told stories to Lydia about Jessie and she gave an upset goodbye message and was "fighting" mad when she arrived at the Jury house . . . You can find the YT by typing in: Big Brother 11: Jessie & Lydia re-united in the Jury House

Rslover
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11-19-2002

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Wait..soon we'll see
the blue long shorts
her candy wrappers
the elastic band she cheated with
Jordan's slippers and dress
Kevin's hoodie
the "first tampon" framed

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 11:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rslover a private message Print Post    
I found the ASU shirt. ha ha. She's out of her mind. Who would want that, and for $199.

ASU SHIRT ON EBAY

Think she washed it?

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 11:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rslover a private message Print Post    
From Nat's hometown paper

......So what is she going to do with the moolah?

"Put a down payment on a house for me, my mom and my brother," she said
........

LINK

What about the wedding? The mother she doesn't speak to?

<they were quoting JORDAN there>

Snoopsmom
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02-19-2003

Friday, September 18, 2009 - 12:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snoopsmom a private message Print Post    
Rslover, that quote was from Jordan, not Natalie. Even though the news story topic was supposed to be Nat, there were more details about Jordan, and even Jeff.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

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Oops..you're right Snoops. TY. Just scanned it obviously. Even Nat's paper was more into JEJO.

Oliviamimi
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05-30-2009

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I didn't care for Natalie at all. I didn't wan't her to be in the final 2 and I cringed at the thought of her winning anything.... but, this is a little overboard here. Let the girl be. I suppose in her own way she did the best she could.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

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I'm flabbergasted that on 9-16-09 (3:01) she sat in her hotel room and signed her sports bra and had it be put onto ebay? Really, that was one of the first things she wanted to do after getting out of that house?

There is NO WAY she thought Jesse wasn't going to vote for her. She also said in some of the interviews that she didn't really cry after Jesse left. That she only played along because everyone else was and that she had wine that night.

In almost every interview I've seen or read she said that Jesse was in love with her and that she rejected him...lunacy, I say. She's also said she hasn't talked to Jesse which I don't believe. I'm pretty sure Jesse made a point of saying something to her.

Usleopard
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When did she wear that trash bag contraption? I must have missed it.

Vic557
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Lydia made that for the comp. and they would not let her wear the suit.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

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Kyline... I share some of your peeves. I thought she would absolutely spill all her involvement in the evictions of the other side and boy, she was involved. It was very frustrating to watch since I figured she was storing it all up just for the jury (if she got to f2).

But... Natalie WAS true to her alliance. Jordan was not. Jordan was true to Jeff and it ended there and yet her posturing in more than one question that she was true to them went unquestioned. So, Jordan lied to the jury as well. Thing is, I think that's part of the game as well and totally up to the player to discern. The votes haven't been cast yet so ya do what ya can to sway them your way.

At first, I thought she was bonkers when she said how Jesse wanted her and how he was gonna be all kinds of PO'd over her engagement. I really did. I changed my mind over that for a couple reasons. First, his blog. Second, the jury house edits (lots we don't know there IMO). Jesse had to have a reason to turn on her. They were just fine right before Jesse was "unexpectedly" (CDT) evicted. Next, his reply to the best thing about being in the house... "the girls" (I think he really meant Natalie). For reasons I can't really comprehend, I think he really did want her. She did rebuff that which I think is why he turned to Lydia. He treated N way better than L, in fact, their relationship was just plain creepy.

Apparently he and Natalie shared some talks about this and it's possible we missed some (even with feeds). She genuinely seemed to fear his reaction to her engagement and from what I saw, she was right to fear it.

We'll probably never know what really happened there but after putting together all the stuff, I could see where she was coming from and yes, I think she did worry that he wouldn't vote for her.

Oliviamimi... I agree. My ideal f2 was M/K. I sure didn't get my wish. Jordan was a f2 nightmare for ME cause I love to see the gamers win. Gamers meaning those who played hard and from every direction for the whole season. Natalie at least did that and got herself to f2.

What Natalie doesn't get is that ownership of all she did (from slick moves to smarm) would go a long way in humanizing her but I just don't think she gets that. I hope she will one day. Still, I've never been one to kick someone when they're down. And much as this is "just a game" (don't ya get tired of that? lol), I think it could have dreadful consequences when it's back to reality. Don't you?

Spunky
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Chippy... the curiousity on Natalie has more to do with finding out some redeeming qualities after the game to give her a nod or feeling a bit better about her. One can only try to see some good in her, there must be some but she's not showing it.

However, I'm sure soon people won't be curious about Natalie's future and many will forget her. Count me in.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

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Oh, I agree, Spunky and said pretty much the same thing. A little humility, an apology or 10, some ownership, anything... would go a long way for her. That said, she does deserve some credit for playing the game and for getting second place. I also think it's obvious that she didn't realize she was so hated and that she still doesn't know the extent of it.

Well, she entertained me all summer and contributed (in her own way) to one of the most exciting bb seasons to date IMO. I don't recall ever being so in the dark about things at the end like we were this year despite feeds 24/7. I loved the suspense of it all.

Emm119
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07-12-2005

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If you check out the stuff on ebay, it is other people selling it. They must have received HATE mail because that's what the messages state. I am not Natalie. Do not send HATE MAIL. LOL

Grendelsmom
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07-31-2005

Friday, September 18, 2009 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Grendelsmom a private message Print Post    
Is it possible that Natalie has no idea how she manipulates other people? We can see it clearly, but maybe she doesn't at all.

Rslover
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Friday, September 18, 2009 - 11:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rslover a private message Print Post    
Oh, she very well knows she is manipulative. I'll give her that!