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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Big Brother USA ARCHIVES: Big Brother 11 - Part 2: Anyone Feel Sorry for Ronnie?: Archive through August 03, 2009 users admin

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What555456
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06-14-2005

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
(Thanks, Mod. I'll be careful).

But EM, are these kids born that way or are they nurtured that way?

And what has happened in their childhood that causes an adult to escape the real world, create a fantasy world online and self-delusional in the real world and live in it? What causes an adult to self-delude, as it seems Ronnie does? Surely, this is learned behavior.

I don't disagree with anyone's critique of his game-playing. He is now reaping what he has sown in the house,as he should. But I also see him as a human being who has become what he is because of what has happened to him.

Dona
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06-21-2005

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dona a private message Print Post    
Nope can't say that I feel sorry for him, since no one forced him to act the way he does

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Speculating about the possible abuse of Ronnie as a child serves no purpose.
Sympathy for the child that was Ronnie does in no way change how I feel about the adult Ronnie.

Nick
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07-31-2004

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
sociopath
–noun Psychiatry. a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.


this is why i used the term with ronnie.. just observing him in the house - he seems to have no frame of reference for how his words and actions translate to real outcomes and impact the others.. he only sees the outcomes in how they effect him.. it's hard for me to explain what i'm feeling about him.. it's more than just a selfishness like we see in jessie.. there's just something disturbing about his obsessiveness.. something desperate in all his actions.. a very narrow view of the world around him in the house.. i'll refrain from speculating outside the house to stay in line with the moderators.. i still feel there's something sort of off about him that i can't lay my fingers on.. other than i just feel we're seeing the real ronnie here for some reason.. not just some gameplay gone awry..

chima doesn't seem to understand the impact of her words either.. reference russ's conversation with her re braden.. she didn't seem to get that her accusations could ruin him in the outside world.. but she had a sort of ignorance about it.. whereas ronnie seems to have a very malicious? sinister? direct? feel to what he does.. he believes what he says.. others i think would apologize when they get away from the solitary of the house.. i don't think ronnie would.. in his mind he is right.. and maybe that's what makes him feel dangerous to me..

eta - i'm not trying to be "derogatory" here at all.. just simply trying to sort out why i feel so differently about ronnie's behavior than the others that lie in the house.. so i apologize if i'm coming across wrong.. i'm trying to be very careful with how i word what i'm trying to say

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Oddly, I feel no sympathy for Ronnie whatsoever because of exactly what the mod just said up there. When Ronnie began to talk about destroying Casey's life outside the BB house it ended any tiny little bit of compassion I may have had for him.

Kitkat
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08-23-2008

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitkat a private message Print Post    
No, I agree with Caprica. Ronnie is a 30 year old man and should be responsible for his actions (DOB 1-79). Like Oliviamimi said above, he needs to get a real job and become a productive citizen, leave the world of gaming behind.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Caprica, I don't think Ronnie was abused, in the way we usually use the term abused.

I just think his is learned behavior and I wonder where and why he learned it.

And Nick, I don't think he necessarily lacks a sense of moral responsibility as a person. At least I haven't seen that.

I think he sees BB as he sees his computer games. The people he is fighting in the house are just other players. Kind of one self defined avatar against other self defined avatars.

Jadajean
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03-23-2008

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jadajean a private message Print Post    
Nope - not at all. He did this to himself.

Justalittlebean
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08-15-2003

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justalittlebean a private message Print Post    
Nope - you reap what you sow and Ronnie has sowed a lot of lies and distrust in the house.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Yes What some kids are born with personality traits that need to be nutured one way or the other. I think Ronnie's parents are the same kind of people you see pushing their perfect child on everyone. The baseball parents who think their kid is the star and push everyone else to see the same thing. Soon no coach wants the parents so they don't draft the kid. These are the parents who blame everyone else if their kid doesn't make the team and continually tells their kid "it's because they are jealous"..These are the parents who think their kindergartner is a genius because he can repeat the alphabet frontwards and backwards, and when the kid fails at something it's because the teacher was bad. I see it every day. I have always said "if you see a kid with an overblown ego, someone blew up that balloon with a whole lot of hot air"..

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Nope. He enjoyed being deceitful way too much and has lied about lying way too often. AND..since I agree it wasn't fair for Jessie to be in that house this season, for Ronnie to immediately start supporting him when he could have stuck with the other side and helped to break up Jessie's advantage (having been on the show, coming back to HOH without even winning it, larger clique) that would have been great game play. They could have taken out Lydia week one, then with Ronnie as HOH, taken out Jessie (or Natalie or Russell). Instead he did lots of dirty work for Jessie and Natalie and encouraged ugliness on their part, too.

But no.. he chose to be a minion and now he's probably going home.

Personally, I'll be happy to see him gone, because he's been so divisive and unpleasant, but he did have a real shot and he just chose the wrong horses to back.

Don't know about his life, but he seems to feel it isn't good enough so he pushes his own fantasy of accelerated education.. the Spanish class story in his Solitary interview, telling people he is precocious that way and that he's a teacher, when here he is at 30/31, whatever, just now getting his degree (and there is nothing wrong with getting a degree at 30; he's the one who must think it is.)

Seems like he spends most of his time in fantasy land.

Even his gushing over his wife seems to be the exact same pattern he uses on other HG. Lies about them, lies to them, throws them under the bus, then says "I never lied to you" or "I lied but I never will again". With his wife it is "oh now I really appreciate you" but it must have been a different story for her to leave him over his game obsession, while she seems to have managed to graduate and be an actual teacher.

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darclyte a private message Print Post    
Whatever horrible atrocities may or may not have happened to Ronnie in his childhood doesn't excuse his behavior. One could argue that it could be the cause of his behavior, but there are steps to combat his personality traits. It's not like he's poor or stupid, and he could have found someway to receive treatment/therapy to try to resolve some of his "issues" and to try to be a better person.

Instead, he chose to bask in his dorkiness and use it to try to become anti-social from within rather than from without. In other words, he isn't just watching from the outside like a loner, but taking his aggression out from within whatever environment he finds himself. Whether it's in his job, his gaming community, or the Big Brother house, Ronnie is one of those people who we in gaming call "griefers" in that they take pleasure in causing other players grief by repeatedly doing things to lessen the other's enjoyment of the game. He certainly has shown this type of behavior in the house, and from his creepy puppet show video, it appears that he may do this in "real life" too.

That is one difference between a sociopath and someone who is anti-social. Sociopaths often can function in society while plotting against it, while someone who is anti-social tends to be a loner. I don't know if Ronnie is a sociopath as some here have suggested, and I think it's wrong and dangerous to say that about someone, but I don't think it's wrong to say that he has shown anti-social or sociopathic behavior while in the house and to not want him to win because of it. The house can bring out the worst in people, and perhaps it has brought out the worst in Ronnie.

Ronnie tried out for the reality show Solitary 3.0 and seems to desperately want to be famous, but the similarity between Solitary 3.0 and Big Brother is that he is left isolated with a limited amount of people to deal with and limited outside contact. This suggests to me that Ronnie believes that in a limited, restricted environment, he has the skills necessary to defeat others and win the "game" no matter the personal cost.

Combined, all of these factors suggest to me that Ronnie is not someone who I would want to win, make the Jury House, or feel sorry for. As the saying goes, you reap what you sew. And in my opinion, Ronnie has tried to sew a LOT of misery for others, even when he wasn't HOH.

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I don't feel sorry for Ronnie at all. Playing the game is one thing, but he just lies for no apparent purpose at all except to harm others. He lies when the truth (or just keeping his mouth shut) would serve him just as well or better. And then he refuses to admit that he has lied. He has never once owned his actions in that house. He has "pathological liar" and "malicious gossiper" confused with "master manipulator". At some point, people have to start taking responsibility for their own actions and Ronnie is well beyond the point where anyone else is to blame for what he's doing.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
You know, a "master manipulator" would simply manipulate everyone and not talk about it. Maggie was a master manipulator... no one even knew what she was doing and she never ever talked about it.

Ronnie seems to have an ego problem that is not commensurate with his abilities. I dunno if Earthmom is right (although I suspect she is). But it's not just his looks that would create the type of man he's become. I've known some really unattractive people, but they have such sunny personalities that you never notice their faults. Ronnie doesn't have a personality that would make me want to overlook any flaws he may have, whether it's by his attitude or by his looks.

(I hope that wasn't too close to the edge. I never comment on people's looks, but he just bothers me with how hot he seems to think he is and he is so NOT hot!)

Rieann
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08-26-2006

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rieann a private message Print Post    
I think Ronnie wants to be famous. He thinks his actions in the house are resulting in him being someone people "love to hate". Once he gets out of the house and finds there is not a lot of "love" in the equation he's going to have a rude awakening.

Jagger
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08-07-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jagger a private message Print Post    
Sorry for Ronnie, no way, no how. He pretty much knew going into the house if he played the game like a little rat that's how the viewers would view him. All he cares about is the money, and getting his 15 minutes of fame.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
It is killing me to watch Ronnie being so tortured. He has studied this game and is playing within the rules yet he is being ostracized inside the house and outside the house.

It is so sad to see him sitting alone hour after hour. I am glad he has the Bible to keep him company. Ronnie played so hard to help his team of Jessie, Natalie, Chima, and himself only to be abandoned when he needs them the most. Guess that is what happens when you stick your neck out for others. So sad to see it come to an end like this

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
As a licensed professional, I think it is unfair to label someone with a psychological diagnosis from observing them on a tv game show. The show itself is designed to encourage/exacerbate abnormal social behavior. What normal social setting do you know of where lying and manipulating are part of the norm?

It's one thing to say he seems like something in the way he has behaved in his game.

IMO, it is horribly out of line to label him with a diagnosis on this limited amount of information, and in a highly abnormal setting.

And FWIW, a true sociopath simply would not have closeted himself in the HOH room when things didn't go his/her way. Sociopaths are severely impaired emotionally, and wouldn't have given a damn if people didn't like them.

In addition. sociopaths are generally quite good are reading other people; and understanding what motivates them and using that to cleverly manipulate them, they are often VERY charming.

Dictionary definitions are convenient shorthands, however they don't come close to describing the mental diagnosis of 'sociopath.'

Lake_gal
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06-09-2004

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lake_gal a private message Print Post    
NO!

He made some very nasty brutal remarks about other HGs that were not part of the game. He acted like a bully in the house. He is not acting like a caring person. I can understand playing the game. But he has made it personal for no reason other than making himself feel better.

Ronnie has already started to make up reasons for why he might not be loved when he leaves. He will spin it to suit himself.

For someone that claimed he knew the game better than anyone else. He played a poor game. If he really knew the game he had to know how disliked Jessie was last season by America. Yet he teamed up with him and expects the public to love him. That just does not make any sense. You are often judged by who you join up with. Ronnie made a point of hurting the people in the house who had never done anything to him. Just so he could make some grand move for his ego. Now he has to accept what he has done. And I don`t think he will do that. He will have alot of excuses and want sympathy. He has acted like a bully in the past and I don`t think he has learned from it or changed.

He does not deserve my sympathy.

Mindeegap
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07-20-2009

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mindeegap a private message Print Post    
Bo- Ronnie has said he's only reading the bible because it is something to read, but he doesn't believe in it.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Rieann, I think you hit the nail on the head. However, Ronnie is missing something. There's just something off about him. He will never be famous. So far, I've read that he tried out for Apprentice 3; Solitary; Real World; Survivor and Big Brother 3 or 4 times.

He makes videos like the puppet show..(ugh) and seems desperate for attention. I have no pity for this man whatsoever.

Boberg, you don't think perhaps Ronnie chose the wrong side and after being given more than one chance to choose decent people who wouldn't abandon him @ this time, he didn't? He is a prime example of "you reap what you sow." He "sowed" himself into a corner of the bedroom.

He can't be around people and just be part of the whole group. That's his huge flaw, which will never let him get far in any of the shows he keeps trying out for.

There's got to be some sort of psychological problem when someone fabricates what others have said, knowing there's a good chance they will get caught, but still think they can talk their way out of it. He creeps me out the way he 'stalks' his prey; first J/J and this week Kevin/Lydia. Soo creepy.

Nynana
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05-31-2005

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nynana a private message Print Post    
Not one bit. What goes around, comes around and he has it coming.

Luvbbplayers
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07-14-2006

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Luvbbplayers a private message Print Post    
Who does? Ronnie does, and his wife does maybe. but NOT ME

Rieann
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08-26-2006

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rieann a private message Print Post    
Cricket, you're right, something is missing with him.

I have to say I read Boberg's post as being laced with heavy sarcasm. Boy, I am really on the 'Ronnie is delusional' train. I'm projecting my feelings on everything. lol

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 03, 2009 - 11:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I wouldn't even begin to want to diagnose anyone on a medical level. I just see Ronnie as a very very spoiled child who has been given a big head by someone and he's run with it. He has definately got entitlement issues, but so do many others. I don't see Jessie or Ronnie as too different. They both think they are better than those around them. There are many many people like this in the world. Ronnie will get out and not find any of the stuff said about him as fair and will accuse his distractors as being ignorant. He will go home to people who will enable his consensus and around and around it goes.