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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Big Brother USA ARCHIVES: Big Brother 11 - Part 2: HOW will JEFF handle the Coup d'etat?: Archive through August 07, 2009 users admin

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Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Lillian--see my post at &;45.

Jokers has the Youtube. Guess I could track it down and bring it here.

(This assumes the rules for Jeff are the same as the rules for Boogie.)

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
So if Jeff cannot vote, there won't be a tie. Michelle will be the swing vote but she wanted Jessie out anyway. Jessie may go home if Jeff is gutsy enough to put Natalie and Jessie on the block.

However, Jeff may do NOTHING if Jessie wins POV, why chance his wrath just to put Natalie on the block?

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
ITA Spunky... praying jessie doesn't get pov.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 11:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
To me, Coup d'etat means to overthrown and replace themselves in the ruler position.
But who knows how the AG/BB will explain it that way! (in Kim's 7:45am post.)

I think we pretty much know what Jeff is going to do at this point. His worry is how the votes might not get rid of Jessie.
Jeff already knows he will have Jordan and Kevin's votes to take out Jessie. Let's see if he will talk some game with Michele and even Lydia in the next few days. He's smart though, he knows to wait patiently until closer to the voting day.

It's such a shame that Lydia seemed to fall right back flirting w/Jessie! Doesn't she remember? Jessie cast a vote to send her home! Our only hope is for Nat to get terribly jealous and forbid Jessie to even be in the same room with Lydia. -- Nat has been a lot more open lately about that. She already made Jessie leave the room where he was talking to Lydia last night. A few more times of this is the medicine Lydia needs. Then Jeff will have an opening. Get Kevin in on it as well. Talk some sense to the sill woman!

At the same time, counting on Lydia is such a shaky business. Jeff should just reason with Michele. Mich wants to go F2 with Jeff-- It was never clear enough to me that she will take Jordan , but she knows J&J as a package deal--, it's not strange to talk game with Mich. Just make sure that the three of them are on the same page. Make sure they will focus the firing power on Jessie should the choice ever come up that both Jessie and Natalie landed on the block!

After these leg work, then it doesn;t matter if Chima or Jeff each or both gets to vote. ... I think my math is correct? :-)

Jadajean
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03-23-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jadajean a private message Print Post    
I think he can vote. Julie said they can overthrow the HOH's nominations - not the HOH themselves. If Jeff can't vote - that leaves 4 people not voting. That's too many people not voting. If it was a tie, who would break the tie, Chima or Jeff. I say Chima - she will still be the HOH and they only vote in case of a tie. Jeff will not be the HOH, if that was the case he wouldn't be able to play in the next HOH and Chima would which would in essence give her more power. That means the Wizard power is really nothing. I say he gets to vote and play in the next HOH - that would be game changing, who would change it if they couldn't vote or play for HOH.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Julie clearly said that the Coup winner would only vote to break the tie.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
This will be interesting to watch from a strategy standpoint.

Perhaps it is best for Jeff NOT to focus on getting someone out; just saving someone who he wants in.

If the two nominees sitting there next Thursday are ones who Jeff does not care that much if either leaves, it might be best not to use it so there is no target on his back.

On the other hand, if he wants a particular person to leave who is not sitting there, then maybe it is better to focus the HG's negative discussion on that one person and putting only that one person up, thus ensuring that person goes (hopefully). That way Jeff does not make an enemy of the remaining HG he might have put up but didn't get voted off.

Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
I think it's pretty safe to assume that Chima will not nominate Natalie or Jesse. No matter who she ultimately ends up nominating, I think it's pretty safe to say that it would be in Jeff's best interest to void Chima's noms and put up both Nat and Jess. No matter who goes home of the two (and of course, I think Jesse is the bigger threat not only because of the all the crap he stirs up in the house, but he also wins competitions), their alliance group is toast. The only other strong player in the house is Russell, and he could probably get the votes to take him out the following week, if Russell doesn't win HoH.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
And, if Russell is one of the nominees Jeff "saves", that may be enough to bring R to J/J's side.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 4:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
If she puts up Lydia and Russ. I would like to see him take both off and put up Nat and Jess....Russ and Lydia would be a smidgen beholden to him and he would only have Chima and whoever stays mad at him......If he saves only one, the other may be mad at him....Lydia has Kevin and Russ will love him ....at least for a week...So better that he has Chima, Jess or Nat mad...Two out of three isn't bad....compared to four or five...He's going to take some heat so he has to determine who and what is best for him.......The bad part is that he can't campaign nor can any one else....It will be on the spot voting...

Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
You know the more I think about it, the more I think this may solidify Jeff's place in the final two. No matter how you look at it, Jeff using the power will only be looked upon as positive by everyone except Nat, Jess, and Chima who he's trying to eliminate anyway. After the Coup is used, he can talk about it all he wants and spin it.

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 4:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
If Jeff had used the CDT this week there was a possibility there could have been a tie and he would have voted in that case. That explains that part of the rules. If he uses it next week there is no possibility of a tie to break.
I think the only reason Jeff should not use the CDT is if Jesse or Natalie win the POV. If that happens he could end up causing someone else to go home > probably Kevin or Lydia. He then has Jesse, Natalie & Chima totally gunning for him along with either Kevin or Lydia.

Cillysue2
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05-02-2003

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cillysue2 a private message Print Post    
Jeff said he was going to SHAKE UP THE HOUSE, and I am holding him to that. he had better do something spectacular! i am sure BB would rather see him use it than to not use it. Major drama. He should (IMHO) put up Nat and Jess if possible. Why am I even talking, no one cares what I think and it's all been said before, o'well I said it.

Ruskybizz
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07-09-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ruskybizz a private message Print Post    
I would like to see Jeff stir it up a bit right before the Live Show. He could 'out' Jessie in a lie or heck, do what everyone else does and make up a lie and blame it on Jessie. In any event, if the last thing that goes down puts Jessie in a bad light they are more likely to vote him out in the heat of passion. Also, I heard Jeff earlier today asking Russell if he would vote Jessie out if he were up against Nat. If he keeps asking everyone they might just get the 'hint' and thus know who to vote for when he puts them up. While I can't stand Nat, I would enjoy seeing her miserable when her 'man' is gone.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 6:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I don't think he needs any drama.. just hope that Jessie and Natalie are available and slap them up on the block.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Short and sweet Sea....exactly what I was trying to say.....Everything depends on who wins and/or uses the veto.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Oh this is funny!! How long can Jeff keep saying to Russell, don't worry! Nothing is official until it's official!! Don't worry, I'll take you down... if I win POV..
What is he going to say when he doesn't win POV?

Don't worry Russell, someone is going to save you???
It will become too funny if Jeff thinks Russell still doesn't know he's the wizard...

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 7:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Jeff can put up the veto winner?....Say Jessie wins veto but doesn't use it. Can Jeff still put Jessie up?

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
No, the HOH and POV are safe from Jeff's power.

So, if Jessie wins POV or Natalie wins POV, I'm afraid Jeff is in trouble because he would be risking too much, they could both be still there after the Live show.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 7:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Ok thanks. But if one wins Jeff can still put the other up....Jessie wins POV doesn't use it..On Thursday Jeff puts up Nat.....If Nat wins POV Jeff puts up Jessie....Correct?

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
If Jessie wins he may try to use it to remove Lydia, she would be his puppet FOR LIFE!!

Then Chima will put Michelle in Lydia's place. Jeff cannot touch Jessie, but could remove Russell and replace him with Natalie. However, Natalie will be still there since everyone will vote Michelle out. Too risky for Jeff to use it.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
If jessie has POV, and Jeff wants to evict Nat, he could put Kevin up with Nat.

Jordan - Nat
Michele - Nat
Lydia - Nat

Russell may even vote Nat.

Nat goes home.

ETA - I don't know that he cares enough to get Nat out before Jessie. He may just not use the Coup if Jessie has POV.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Halleluhya!!! It may work!! The pest is gone!!

What555456
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06-14-2005

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Sounds to me as if Jeff is lining up the votes to get rid of Jessie.

He keeps talking to people about who they would want voted off if Russell gets off the block through the POV, and they say Jessie. He seems to have the votes.

If this attitude holds, all he need do is take one of whomever is there Thursday off and put Jessie up.

Better to only have to put one up than two -- and ensures the one he obviously wants out (Jessie) goes.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
If the POV winner uses the veto to save someone else the original POV winner is fair game when the wizard changes noms.