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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Just curious about everyone's thoughts on game winning strategy and how the houseguests are applying it this season.

Who is doing it right and who is making mistakes? How did Braden and Chima get into the precarious position of possibly being the first HG eliminated. What could they have done differently?

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
Chima could have not whined about loosing the food comp.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Chima agreed to be a pawn. Nobody should agree to be a pawn.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
No kidding Beeky!

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Monday, July 13, 2009 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Braden shouldn't have been the last non-athlete in the HOH comp- he got viewed as a physical threat that way...and Chima shouldn't have whined about wanting to go home.

Afitchguy22
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07-13-2007

Monday, July 13, 2009 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Afitchguy22 a private message Print Post    
I agree..When I seen Chima crying after the comp..I was like biiiiig mistake!!

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
Rosem posted this Eric Stein srticle on his week two assessment of the houseguest. I thought it was very on target adn close to my own thoughts. It may be a great time to talk about who you all think has the best strategy and is playing the best game so far.
Much as a hate to say it, I would agree that Jesse is playing very well. He has learned much from last year. While he can still spend much of the day sleeping and eating, he does now stay out of the fray instead of be in the middle of it, he gets up at night, makes nice to the others, cuddles his harem and makes sure he is the last word in Natalie and Lydia's ear. He also still has an intact, 4 person alliance. You can bet he is going to amke sure all his people play hard for HOH this Thursday. Jesse has nothing in his eye but the prize.

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
Rosem posted this Eric Stein srticle on his week two assessment of the houseguest:
http://bit.ly/pjaPc

I thought it was very on target and close to my own thoughts. It may be a great time to talk about who you all think has the best strategy and is playing the best game so far.
Much as a hate to say it, I would agree that Jesse is playing very well. He has learned much from last year. While he can still spend much of the day sleeping and eating, he does now stay out of the fray instead of be in the middle of it, he gets up at night, makes nice to the others, cuddles his harem and makes sure he is the last word in Natalie and Lydia's ear. He also still has an intact, 4 person alliance. You can bet he is going to amke sure all his people play hard for HOH this Thursday. Jesse has nothing in his eye but the prize.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
You know, I'm boycotting this season until Jessie is evicted. But if he actually wins BB? I'll never ever watch this show ever again.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I too am no Jesse fan....but even I have to admit..Jesse is playing a much smarter game this time. He is still egotistical and too self centered for my taste...but his game is nothing like last year so far.

If Jesse continues to play like he is now, he will go far in the game.

His attitude is easier to take and his interactions with other house guests is more pleasant and positive. You should give this season a try Costa...Jesse is not making it a bad season so far...

Beffylou
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04-21-2005

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beffylou a private message Print Post    
That site is blocked at my work .. can someone post the article?

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rslover a private message Print Post    
Eric Stein Sizes Up The Big Brother 11 HouseGuests - Week 2

Wow, the Big Brother players have come out of the gates swingin' this season! There is some serious overplaying going on. In past seasons, any of several of them would be easy early marks due to their wild overplaying. However, since so many of them are doing it, they can't all go home at once…hence we are going to be treated to some of these players making it much farther into the game. Very interesting.

Let's start with last week's eviction. Customarily, the first week's votes are an absolute landslide, as nobody wants to rock the boat. Since the switch to the current format (Big Brother 2), the person evicted in week 1 has gone out by a grand vote total of 68 - 14. That is 83% of all votes cast. That is huge. So to find a 5-5 split in the first week was pretty shocking. I assure you, this divide will not last the entire game. The first players who defect out of their current groups to reform a new alliance or sub-faction (think Dan, Memphis, Keesha, Renny, and Libra in week 4 last season) will be the ones to take control of the game. The people most apt to do that are the people who find themselves on the bottom of their current totem poles.

The players and fans alike need to remind themselves that it's only week 2. On season 9, Adam was an early outcast due to his constant fighting with Sheila. On season 10, Dan was an early outcast because of his relationship with Brian. On my season, the majority of the power players were in the backyard golfing during weeks 1 and 2. Let me put this into perspective for you. Since the HoH became a part of the game in season 2, there have been 23 people to serve as HoH in week one or two of the game (including season 9's power couple). Of those 23 people, a grand total of 1 of them won the game (season 3's Lisa). The conclusion here is obvious…being HoH in week 1 or 2 is bad. This is unfortunate news for Jessie and Ronnie.

Now, on to Ronnie's HoH reign. Congrats Ronnie, you are a couple of days away from completing one of the worst HoH reigns in BB history. And anyone watching could have seen this coming a mile away. How has he botched it? Let us count the ways. First, he tried to cast a "hinky" vote. Speaking from personal experience as someone who was forced to cast such votes against his will…that is a very bad decision right off the get go. Especially in week 1. However, what's done is done…the hinky vote was cast. So then why in the world would he put a spotlight on himself by winning HoH? That forced him to choose sides. Might I point out that due to the clique twist, Ronnie would have been safe with Michele as HoH as well. That would have allowed him to fade into the background, remain safe, and compete again for next week's power. Not smart. So now he's HoH. So why in the world would he lie about his vote, when his nominations are going to clearly expose what side he's on anyway? Oh, not to mention that he was going to confess to it two days later. Dumb dumb dumb. Ronnie also didn't take notes when he was in Big Brother 101 class. You are locked in a house, 24/7, with nothing to do. Everyone is eventually going to talk to everyone else and compare notes. There's a time to plant seeds of deception. Week 2…when you are going after players that aren't even nominated, and you yourself aren't casting a vote this week…is not that time. Ronnie also suffered from what I like to call "King Dustin" syndrome. Much like when Dustin donned his cape and crown in Season 8 and went on a power trip bender, Ronnie has let the power fill his head to egomaniacal levels. The man claimed that after he is done, people will be saying "Dr. Will, who?" Actually, after he goes home before the jury, people will be saying Ronnie, who? Other mistakes included repeatedly changing his target midweek, targeting players that were not a threat to him from the get go, receiving Legally Blonde the musical as his HoH CD, looking like a Teletubby, and generally being unable to contain himself. There is an enormous difference between knowing how to play the game and being able to implement it properly yourself. He got way too overexcited and his goose is cooked. What if the twist is that he's actually an alien? Or he's carrying Julie's baby? Or he is Julie's baby?

Ronnie was not the only one who saw their stock plummeting this week. Joining him down the week 2 s h i t t e r are Laura and Chima. Laura pulled the always stupid move of shouting at the HoH immediately prior to their nominations. Why would you do that? Interestingly enough, Laura and Ronnie are the two biggest students of the game in the house, and yet they have made some of the most standards mistakes you can make in the house. As I'm sure we would all agree, Chima's speech was outright astonishing. Somehow, she managed to make an accused bigot/misogynist look good in comparison to herself. It struck me as a speech you'd give if you were going home, not something you'd do to endear yourself to the other players if you are staying. Let's not forget her behavior at the Have/Have Not competition and her general demeanor in the house this week. I have noticed that her mouth is getting exponentially bigger based on how secure she feels in the house. As soon as she felt safe, she unleashed a tirade that hasn't stopped since. She is very difficult to like.

While no worse than last week, Lydia and Natalie have continued their vicious behavior, which means their chances in the grander scheme of things remain dim. Lydia, in particular, is a nasty, manipulative player. I am standing by my comparison of her gameplay to that of BB8's Amber. She prays on people's emotions, plays the victim, and thrives on drama. She should induce fear in her fellow houseguests while she's there…she'll do damage - but ultimately, she'll also do irreparable damage to herself as well. Oh, and she was a terrible PoV host. I'm still not sold on Kevin either. You could see his true colors during his live eviction vote. He's lying low for now, but an explosion will come and when it does, he will sink himself.

Don't look now, but your boy Jessie is on the rise. Is it possible that we may be seeing newly refined gameplay from our returning player? Jessie "Young Gunz" Godderz - the voice of reason. It has a nice ring to it. Look no further than last night's blowup in which the house attacked Ronnie. The entire house was taking Ronnie to task in a major way, while Jessie and Natalie were calmly cooking in the background completely out of the action. Why is this so important? Last year, during the Keesha birthday blowout, there were two players that stayed out of the action entirely…Dan and Memphis. They sat quietly on the couch and watched their odds in the game go up by the second, as the rest of them ate each other alive. Did you ever see Sharon in an argument? Zach? Nope, because they were smart to stay out of conflict…especially conflict that wasn't theirs. Also, last year, Jessie was his alliance's attack dog. He was the one that they'd sic on the other team. Well this year, he's pulling the strings and he has three attack dogs of his own, in the form of Natalie, Lydia, and Ronnie (and often times Russell). Is he going to win? No. But his chances of reaching the jury and doing some legitimate damage are looking much better than originally anticipated. It is amazing that he has been in the house for 6 weeks between the past 2 seasons and this was the very first time he was neither HoH nor nominated. Nice work, Jessie.

Russell, aka Ruscle the Luv Muscle, is proving to be a very interesting player. On the one hand, he is apt to blow up at any time, came out of the gates way too strong, and seems to be on everybody's hit list. On the other hand, he was amongst the first people to say, "Hey, why are we being so nasty to each other?" and start mingling extensively with "the other side of the house." As I often have pointed out, BB contestants seem to suffer from social identity theory. Basically they identify and behave as part of a group, and in turn, take on a mob mentality in vilifying their targets. It's easier to go after someone you "hate." Wouldn't it be nice to see a BB player say, "Hey listen, I actually really like you personally, I just think this move is in my best interest in the game." Can Russell overcome the pettiness and orchestrate a change in philosophy? Nah, he can't, haha. But it'd be nice if he did. Unfortunately, he's still being uber aggressive and using intimidation. That will not work in the end. However, I do find him to be rather original and distinct to the game, so it's unique watching him play if nothing else.

Jeff and Jordan have been pretty damn funny so far. They are bringing much of the levity to the house. Not being able to tell time is pretty much fantastic. They seem as if they are well on their way to showmance land, but truthfully I don't see that affecting their game too much. The more they play dumb, the better their chances are of still being in the house when it matters. All in all, they are riding an adequate middle ground for now, with the potential to do something if the cards fall their way. However, I'm still sticking with Casey and Michele as my top players to date. They are both astute and slowly but surely building up their relationships. Being on good terms with your fellow HGs is a major strategy and a successful one. You don't need to spend all day and night campaigning to be playing the game well. In fact, that rarely if ever, equates to playing well. The art of subtlety is not nearly as appreciated as it should be in the BB game. Until proven otherwise, I maintain that they are the savviest players to this point.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That is an impressive analysis of the game so far.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I have to agree with you Jimmer.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
What's working: Those who listen to the hints and suggestions in the DR are doing well with the info they're being given (Jess, Laura).

What's not working: Bullying by Russ will lead to others keeping Ron. Casey's 'directing' - it will later be used against him as "you told us what to to".

Delilah
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 11:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delilah a private message Print Post    
my memory must really be fading ... who is Eric? What season?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Eric was America's Player in Season 9.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 11:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
I have to be honest & say I can't handle a post that long so I didn't read it.

Delilah
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delilah a private message Print Post    
thanks, costa. I remember him now.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rslover a private message Print Post    
Eric Stein

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
I really enjoyed the post by Eric! It was spot on! Kappy I also usually tend to skim thru long post's e-mail forwards etc! But I clicked on the link and the link/post is worth a read!
And LOL Eric annoyed me in his season, but as a commentator he is very good and you can tell he watches the feeds!

Redhawk
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05-23-2007

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redhawk a private message Print Post    
Costacat, I believe you meant to say Eric was part of season 8, which also had EvelDick.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

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FROM ERIC'S MY SPACE For Washington area people

Monday, July 20, 2009

THE REALITY ROAD SHOW w/BB8's Eric, Nick, & Jen
Nick, Jen, and I are teaming up to have a kick ass time with some of our fans. This is going to be a really up close and personal, interactive event. The gameplan is to have a ridiculous amount of fun. Here's the scoop on what will go down:

- Detailed chat and Q&A, covering EVERYTHING you could want to know about us and the BB experience. Showmances, casting, scoop on our fellow HGs, nothing will be off limits.

- Compete in an HoH against us for prizes including show worn clothing, autographs, BB props and more

- Compete in a PoV/luxury comp (once again for prizes), in which you will get to sample some of the lunacy HGs go thru every week

- Sample BB slop

- Full on meet and greet, get to chat with us individually - pics, autographs, merchandise etc. will all be available

- Watch that night's episode of BB with us and have a talkback about the current season

The three of us will also be around and out after the show to grab some drinks and all that good stuff. Even if you're not a Seattle resident, if this event goes as well as expected, we will indeed be taking the show on the road to other cities, with all kinds of guests from your favorite reality shows. Hope to see you all there.

TUESDAY, AUGUST 18th, 2009
TRIPLE DOOR
216 UNION STREET
SEATTLE, WA 98101

Tickets are available on Ticketmaster:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0F0042CFABB66321?artistid=1335152&majorcatid=10005&minorcatid=104

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
What if the twist is that he's actually an alien? Or he's carrying Julie's baby? Or he is Julie's baby?

LOL

Joseph
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07-22-2009

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 4:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joseph a private message Print Post    
Great read by Eric. It's so refreshing to see a message board that looks at big brother as a game of strategy and intuition as opposed to the other boards I've seen. Thanks for being here.