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3 Masterminds

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Rgw825
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07-29-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rgw825 a private message Print Post    
I haven't really been keeping up with this board much except for the Important Happenings thread and maybe reading bits and pieces of others. But this is how i'm viewing this season. There are 3 Masterminds, Ronnie, Jessie, and Russell. I like and hate all 3. I am enjoying watching all 3 of them scheme and try and out think each other. As far as im concerned they are the only 3 really playing the game. The others are just floating by. That doesn't mean i don't like some of the floaters but they are just floating by. I love Jeff and Jordan just as much as everybody else.
But i am enjoying watching the Masterminds try and outsmart each other even more.

Maybe i'm overlooking Michele, she did say she was smarter than Ronnie and has a PHD. Has there ever been so many masterminds in one season before? Usually there no more than 1 or 2 each season. Put all your hatred aside for these 3 and just enjoy the chaos and let the smartest and most manipulative person win.

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
I see Michelle as trying to play the game. I think she's been the middle of so many lies that it's been a little difficult for her.

I also see Natalie as playing, and I actually see her as 50% of Jessie's "mastermind". I hate even using Jessie and mastermind in the same sentence. I don't see him that way, really. He is playing the game, but I just don't see him as that smart.

Rgw825
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07-29-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rgw825 a private message Print Post    
Maybe your right, maybe Jessie is not that smart. But he sure knows how to create chaos and does it well. Then goes to sleep when everything goes down lol. I think he's doing better than he did the last time. The last time i hated his guts and couldn't stand him. This time i am rooting for him and i'm not sure why. I guess it's entertaining.

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
With all due respect, I just don't see them as "masterminds" RGW.
I think that they all overplayed their hands and will be gone.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Reenie,

From your keyboard to the BB house...maybe the rest of the houseguests will get a clue!

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
smiles

Emm119
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07-12-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Emm119 a private message Print Post    
I think Jesse was the mastermind for ONE week. The very first week when HOH was given to him. That was when no one else was really playing the game. They weren't sure of anything so they sort of followed him in awe, if you will. That was when he had everyone else doing whatever he wanted. But now, I think, if you really watch, most of the mind games are usually done by Nat (she takes them all to Jesse), Ronnie (but they are all for him) and even Russell. Jesse approves their ideas. He tells them they should do it or maybe not, but he really doesn't come up with them.

You are right that he does walk away from them once they are in play so he can say he was sleeping when they go down.

I don't think his style of play is the reason I don't like him. The reason I don't like him is (1) he thinks he's all that and a bag of chips; (2) he is a very poor sport; (3) He is acting the same way he did last year - he hasn't learned a thing.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
I have a strong suspicion that the reason Jesse is supposedly "doing better than he did last time" is because he is being coached behind the scenes. How can a man who didn't know how to play the game before and doesn't know how to use words in their proper context, all of a sudden be a mastermind. I'm not buying it. Furthermore, I don't see him as being a mastermind when he goes to sleep when crap starts to hit the fan, I see it more as cowardice. His "physique" is bigger than his bravery, IMO. I would love to see how he'd react if Russell went off on him; Jessie would probably just let Natalie speak for him.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
Rgw, I can go along that the 3 you list are doing the most to actively play the game. I'm willing to say it about Jesse because he has recruited folks to be on his side, and for whatever reason thewy are doing so--and doing all his other bidding, like his laundry, fixing him food, getting him things to drink and other such things slaves might do.

And now Jesse has added lying about people, even to the point of it not being game related just to be mean.

Russell has them and us baffled on who he really is alligned with at the moment.

Ronnie has all along been a gatherer of information and a liar to the highest power to confuse and turn people.

I'd like to add Kevin in there as well. It's a very subtle game though--he listens t what everyone has to say, and for the most part doesn't share it. That is actually a smart move because if done over time he can gain trust of those who tell him things.

Lainee
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07-19-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lainee a private message Print Post    
Hiya Lance...amongst other things that are being done for Jessie! LOL

What555456
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06-14-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Do you all really see Ronnie as a mastermind? With the exception of his week as HoH, which fell apart because he TRIED to be a mastermind, he strikes me to be similar to a 3 year old that keeps interrupting when the adults are talking. Yea, he gets attention, but more as a nuisance.

I also think Natalie is the real brains behind Jessie. He brainstorms ideas, but she is the one who decides and then sends him to do it, while she urges him on and then steps in when he begins to waver. I don't think Jessie would be doing much of what he is doing without her focusing his thinking and then sending him off.

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Ronnie could have been the mastermind of the game but he forgot to play to the viewers. Had he not joined the Jesse(a very disliked past HG) team and picked on a smaller group he would have probably at least been safe with the power if not getting it out right.

Jesse is leaning to hard on Natalie and vise versa, when one goes I can see the other's game falling apart.

Russel is too paranoid and he kills every alliance he makes.

Dipo
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04-23-2002

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dipo a private message Print Post    
RG, I think I would rather call them "pretend puppet masters", instead of masterminds. I think they are trying to manipulate all the people, but are doing so in a heavy-handed manner. They might accomplish more with a little finesse, but I don't think any of them know what that means or how to do it. LOL!!

I love that show Criminal Masterminds on TruTV, now those people are brilliant. I don't think our HG's can meet that criteria.

Bbpeach
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07-07-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbpeach a private message Print Post    
I don't see Jesse's game as any stronger than last year. I do think Natalie is stronger than Michelle was last year, which in turn is good for Jesse's game. But more than anything, I think the rest of the HGs are not nearly as strong as last year, which makes Jesse's game look better.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 2:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Good point Bbpeach! I agree; great observation on your part. There are alot of non-players and crappy players this season.

Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
What does that say about this season when Jessie can be labeled a "mastermind"...BB has officially hit a new low.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
LOL North! So true!

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 4:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
there is NO mastermind in the crowd. Ronnie wanted to be but handled it all wrong. Russell is stepping up a bit but his earlier temper show still has me a little off put by him. Michelle may be a dark horse in the mind game play - we'll see. Poor Lydia - no clue - and Kevin is stuck being her friend so he is being held back by her. Nat might still have a chance to scheme her way out of her mess if they can just get Jessie out soon.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 10:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I'd say Jordan is playing a good game, too. In week one, she was the one who rallied for votes to keep Braden. Granted, Ronnie turned, but she was still playing. And, both weeks when she was on the block, she kept her cool. That's strategy. She's good at getting people to reveal info and reads people well. I'm just not sure she has the assertiveness to finish.

Tc99
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07-12-2009

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tc99 a private message Print Post    
rgw, the 3 masterminds:

my question is, which of the 3 is the one in the middle?