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Mimihudamu
Member
07-20-2009
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:18 am
I know it may seem like a bad idea for Jeff (I am assuming he wins) to switch the evictees this week, but is it? Yes Jeff and Jordan are safe this week but who is to say that Jessie or Natalie won't win hoh or pov next week. This week they are both completely exposed to this power. I think they can deal with crybaby Ronnie next week.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:24 am
In this game, as in Survivor, the winners have to focus on keeping themselves in, rather than getting others out.
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Snoopsmom
Member
02-19-2003
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:25 am
Russell had begun to sway my initial opinion of him based on his actions early on after winning the HOH. Last night he re-confirmed my initial opinion of him. IMO he's a bully, and has issues with control, and with women. During the HOH comp Thursday a comment he made to Jeff stuck with me. When they were trying to reach an agreement to end the comp, more than once he said to Jeff that he didn't understand people wanting to take out the "strong" people and leave the "weak" people behind to get to the end. That his hope was to get to the final 2 with a "strong" person and battle it out. Right then, in my mind, I interpreted that to mean he wanted to be sitting with Jessie at the end because he equates strength with being the biggest and baddest. No woman, regardless of how many comps she wins, or how smart she is will ever be viewed as "strong" to Russell, nor would a gay guy (Kevin) or a nice guy playing a clean game (Jeff). Russell's ego certainly couldn't handle being beaten by a woman. He may complain that Chima wants to have an all girl house, but he's no better. Jessie's lies and manipulation have been staring Russ in the face all week and combined with the wisdom of his father's words in the HOH letter it should have been obvious. Unfortunately, he has a blind spot because in his mind I think he sees Jessie as his only worthy competition. To see him go through the pre-fight conversation with Jessie, to see shades of doubt cross Russell's face, yet still see him pledge his allegiance to Jessie was pathetic. I can't say I like Jessie, or am rooting for him, but to see him leave the HOH and then rush to fill Nat in on the conversation full of lies, then stay out of the fights, gotta give him props for his behavior last night. Hope Russell feels like a fool when he eventually goes home and sees that Michelle was not the villian here, it was Jessie.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:27 am
One thing that changed for me is that it deepened my belief that Kevin is not to be trusted at all. Kevin totally lied about Ronnie's position on Hitler and then fought like a cat to maintain that lie. Tells me Kevin cannot be trusted and needs to be watched VERY carefully. So far, he has slid by and the one time he exerts himself, he lies. Ronnie is out in the open and takes the pot shots. In addition to showing himself to be a liar, ala Ronnie, I think Kevin is a disreputable sneak, letting others do the dirty work, while he sits in the background just waiting to pounce on anyone and everyone.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:30 am
J?J are the ONLY kind hearted people on the show this season. They deserve to win it all!
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Tre34
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:31 am
What5...nice observations!
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Mimihudamu
Member
07-20-2009
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:32 am
I think in this game the object is to remove the strongest player...not the most annoying. I think right now Jessie has the advantage both from last years experience and his physical strength.
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Mimihudamu
Member
07-20-2009
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:37 am
Lillian, I agree with you about keeping yourself in. However, we all know there will be a couple more endurance type challenges as a matter of fact I think a challenge that involved upper body strength is what took Janelle out in her season.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:49 am
Russell ruined his game in one fell swoop. I've never seen a hg's game crash and burn faster than this before. He was so wrapped up in paranoia about Chima and Michele that he didn't realize Jessie was this close to fessing up to the green room lie. The events from last night could not have been scripted better. Most importantly, last night's events reinforced more than ever to J/J that they need to continue to do what they're doing: trust no one and keep game talk between them and Michele with discretion.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 9:05 am
It was amazing, Chere, how fast Russel ruined a F4 game. Unbelievable. He's def. one of those who'd rather be right than happy. All he kept saying last night was, "I was right..was I not..I was right." I hope Jeff isn't off in lah lah land of being friends with Jess/Nat. He frustrates me so much gamewise. He absolutely has no gameplay. Jordan wanted to talk to Michelle last night, as did Michelle want to talk to them, but Jeff said, "No, wait until tomorrow." He always tends to believe the wrong person in a situation. I hope Jordan convinces him to believe Michelle today. Kevin and Chima believe Michelle so I hope Kevin talks some sense into Jeff.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 9:17 am
The last I really saw of Russell last night before I went to bed was after Jeff and Kevin had to separate him and Chima, and Jeff took him out to the backyard. Russ asked where Jesse was, and made some comment about him not being there to help. I think Russ sees Jeff as a strong competitor as well, and he does seem to really like him and Jordan. Although he threw Michelle under the bus, he kept J/J away from traffic. So even though he is reaching out to Jesse (but not Natalie or Chima), he may still want to be F2 with Jeff.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 9:23 am
Cricket, I actually thought Jeff was right about letting the jets cool. He was spent and I don't think he would have been as receptive to hear what Michele had to say. Don't forget, until Saturday, Jeff and Michele could barely talk to each other without it blowing up and with all the allegations made towards Michele during the fight, it's best that they wait. Even if Jeff continues to have doubts about Michele, I don't think he's going to stop working with her based on what Natalie said. I truly believe Jeff is going to consider Jordan's discretion as far as Michele is concerned.
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 10:55 am
I'm thinking that at some point if Jesse keeps ticking off Chima she will spill the beans that the whole story about Michelle coming to the green room to say she will keep Ronnie is a fabrication by Jesse........that would make for interesting tv.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 11:22 am
Nothing changes for Ronnie. He still leaves. Russel blew his own game up by trusting Jesse. Jesse is the only one that possibly will gain anything from this by pulling Russel back to him and Nat.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 11:32 am
Cmist, if Chima spill the beans about the green room lie it would come back to hurt Natalie. Chima may be over Jessie, but she's not going to sell out Natalie in the process of turning on Jessie.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 12:01 pm
I don't think that Russell believes Jesse, or, rather I think it's beside the point. Russell thought that Michele was weak- he's trying to decide who to go to F2 with. He thought he could easily manipulate her, unlike Chima. Chima is too headstrong and high maintenance. However, he sees the value of the strong guy having a woman sidekick, like Jesse and Jeff do. Once Michele confided in him that she had a PhD, he realized that she was not going to fill that role for him, and could win against him since she's playing a lot harder than he thought. Next best option is going to F2 with Jess- he's hated, unlike Jeff. Russell toyed with the idea of taking Ronnie, but he realizes that Ronnie's loyalty is to Jesse and always will be. Russell has cultivated Kevin for the sidekick role, and it still could happen. Lydia is in the way, however. Russell needs a close ally that he can win against, and this is all about him positioning himself.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 12:04 pm
At least at the time I went to bed, what frustrated me totally was that no one was seeing that Jessie and Natalie were the root of all of what happened, totally fabricating lies and spreading them and seemingly Russell was believing them.. No need for Jeff to use the power this week.. Ronnie will still be going (hopefully) and if Jeff used the power he'd just have a larger target next week. The best would be for J/J not to win hoh, but for Jeff to be able to use the power.. after all, only one person can leave at a time and hopefully he'd manage to get either Natalie or Jessie out and THEN the next week go strong to win HOH himself. I sure hope J/J didn't buy one word of the crap Natalie was pushing about how she and Jessie always considered themselves allied with Jeff and Jordan. I think Jordan just wants to believe that everyone is "nice" and likes her, but she simply trusts way too much.. or talks way too much.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 12:19 pm
I think that Chima may be seeing Natalie differently (but of course may want to take her to F2 thinking she would beat Natalie).. she's made more comments about Natalie, seemed dumbfounded that Natalie was so negative that her boyfriend gave her a Bible (along with a bunch of other presents) and now she knows that Natalie is 24, so she won't be excusing her bad behavior on being "only 18". AND she knows that Jessie and Natalie fabricated the whole green room story. I still wish Grodner would play fair and penalize Jessie and Natalie for totally ignoring the rules and sleeping for hours in that green room especially when they tattled and got Kevin in trouble for eating a GRAPE and Kevin was penalized for that. Natalie and Jessie should also get an extra have not day and Natalie should not be able to use the slop pass for that day.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 1:17 pm
Govols, you took the words right from me. I'll just C&P yours: ~Russell messed up. The truth was at his finger tips. He needs to see thru Jesse. ~I have to give Natalie credit for how she and Jesse spun that deal. (But, I still don't care for them) ~Kevin gets huge kudos for having good facts w/his fight w/Ronnie. I also agree w/ Sea that it was unbelievably frustrating how Jessie & Nat did not get blamed s they deserve to be. But I think that will come out soon as well. Hopefully in the next week or so! Mimi, why do you think Jeff would be exposed of having the power this week?? Even if Jessie already figured out how America would vote(Hehehe, he doesn't like to admit it, but he does really, really know how much we don't like him.), the power is still Jeff's. In the end, Jess and his pit-bull can not do a thing about it. This game was pretty foreign to Jeff in the beginning, but I think he's slowly(and lately faster) getting the idea about placing his chess pieces! Before last night he already plotted w/Jordan that if either of them get that Wizard power, they are ousting Jessie and Nat. Last night/this morning just before 1am BB time, Michele did check in with J & J, assured them she's still w/ them and they still are voting Ronnie out come Thursday. The interesting thing is, before that, when he pushed Russ out in the BY so he could have a smoke, he and Russ also re-connected that "agreement". <<-- As Kevin & Mich said, who knows what they're calling alliance these days. He has probably been thinking about Diann's advice at their interview: Make friends/deals with all sides of the house and don't let Showmance get in the way of the prize! (Although I think Jeff might not care that much about the prize. I don't believe he will cut Jordan at the F3 as Michele is hoping.) So, after much words, you could see I don't think much has changed except how Russ screwed himself out of a $500,000!! Sea, we could still wish that Nat would fall on the slop next week w/o a pass. Maybe then she will be the first DOR evah!! 
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Sugar
Member
08-15-2000
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 1:39 pm
Seamonkey, how was Kevin penalized for eating a grape? How did they tattle?
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 1:44 pm
Sugar Nat went in the DR and told them about Kevin eating a grape! at least I think it was her! I know I heard them saying how the DR was told so He gets and xtra day of slop for eating the grape!
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 3:07 pm
What5565##.., if by "anyone" you meant the HGs, Chima certainly did. She noticed how Jessie, her supposed alliance in the open, didn't even bother to go and stand between Russ and her when they were getting "physical"! Chima even knew how Jessie just docked in the Have-Nots bedrm after his DR session. She remarked how Jessie never wanted to be in there any other time?!? At one point Chima said if she wins HOH, she wants to put Jessie on the block with her #1 choice: Russ. She was so proud of the idea she giggled and said it more than once. Also, it did not escape Lydia how Nat is gunning for Michele now. Personally, I think that's because Michele just showed Nat that, not only could Mich see through her crap, she's not afraid to call it out either! Nat is probably worried about being found out. Well, too late. Russ questioned Mich that one before last night already, and he told Mich his sources as well. In front of Chima, Kev & J & J. Nat said Russ should be the next one to go. She even tried to coach the Wizard to take Ronnie down and replace Russ on the block. LOL! All other HGs had to explain the rules per special power to her, ... But never the less, hopefully, Nat's multiple faces would be found out by all HGs. In fact, I think Mich and Kevin knows for sure. Lydia just wants her out and have Jessie all to herself. Jeff even said that, and look at how she hid in HN rm w/Jessie and telling him whatever he wanted to hear! Jeff seemed to try to call Nat out. But he knows now already he'd be putting Nat & Jess on the block together if his real desire is to end Jessie's reign. Russ said he's still good with Jeff. So I guess most every one in the house already took notes last night and they will recognize the smug on Nat's face soon enough!
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Lake_gal
Member
06-09-2004
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 3:30 pm
Lastnight made me like Kevin more. But it really didn't change my opinion on most of them. Jessie ran and hid which showed me the true Jessie. I think it went well for Jordan and Jeff. They stayed out of the main fight but didn't run and hide like Jessie. They picked up some info. I think most of the HGs assume Jordan or Jeff will become The Wizard. So they are all trying to be their buddies right now. Jeff and Jordan would be smart to just let both Michelle and Russell think they are still allied with them. Less people putting a target on their backs. Russell and Chima actually hurt themselves lastnight. They showed they were both out of control.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 3:51 pm
I have so much respect for Kevin now. He hit the nail on the head when he just shut Ronnie down every time he tried to spin a lie.
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Suzsmarmie
Member
07-26-2005
| Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 4:00 pm
I love J/J; hate Ronnie, Michele, Russ, Jesse, Natalie...no wait, I caught Michele lying to Russ lying to Jesse..so, I still love J/J, kinda hate Chima, Michele..no wait, I...This is how I feel about this group this year!! Since there is not a logical bone in ANY of their bodies, who the heck knows WHERE this season is going
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