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Vilhelmusic
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08-09-2007

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vilhelmusic a private message Print Post    
Lori- He immediately gunned for Stephen last year and got him out of the house rather early, did that tell you anything?

Vilhelmusic
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08-09-2007

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vilhelmusic a private message Print Post    
Stephen was so nice. I liked him, he brought a lot of humour to the house last year. He also wasn't your typical gay male. He could pass for straight easily. Jesse was freaked out by him, for some reason.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
alot of people wanted Stephen out,that is how he got voted out.i don't think it was ALL because he was gay..

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
I thought he gunned for Stephen because Stephen was one of the HG's that led the charge to save Brian.He was always suspicious od Dan for that reason too. He was part of the Brian "gang" and just didn't like him. I think that Stephen was also one of the more physical threats in the house.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
i believe it also had something to do with,the first comp where they competed for a car,stephen played HARD..and it pissed jesse off.

Vilhelmusic
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08-09-2007

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vilhelmusic a private message Print Post    
Let's not rehash last year's threads. There was so much discussion on this board about his being homophobic that I can't believe some people don't see it this year. Wha Happn'd? Stephen was kicked out by Jesse's own doing. Jesse garnered the votes.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
ok,noone was rehashing last years thread,YOU brought it up and I was trying to find the similarities.Whatever,LOL.. peace

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
I don't remember any particular homophobia either. I think Jessie's issue with Kevin is that he makes Lydia harder for Jessie to control, and he sees him as too much of a floater to trust.

And I don't think Kevin wants to align with them. I think he is smartly telling Lydia that she needs to play it cool with those in power, just as he did himself last night.

Vilhelmusic
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08-09-2007

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vilhelmusic a private message Print Post    
Okay, okay IMO he is homophobic. What's the reason you guys think he 'hates' Kevin?

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Just because you don't like someone who is gay, it doesn't make you homophobic.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
amen lillian,thank YOU

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Vil, as I said above, Kevin is an impediment in Jessie's control of Lydia. Jessie's strategy this year seems to have been to identify those he could control to support him, and to be friends with people he actually respected and work with them on a more equal level.

The first part is working beautifully - he has Natalie completely under his thumb, he had Ronnie, he'd have Lydia completely if not for Kevin, and as a bonus, he seems to have got Chima.

The second part isn't going as well, although I don't think he realizes it. He thinks he has good bros in Russell and Jeff, but he's not working hard enough on those relationships and it will be his downfall.

He can't control Kevin or Michele, and doesn't see them as his equals, so at this point they're just in the way. He likely thinks Jordan comes with the Jeff package, so he isn't bothering with her.

Lajonesin
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03-22-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lajonesin a private message Print Post    
Who cares if Jesse is gay, is afraid to be gay, or hates gays. Whatever. He just sux, plain and simple.

I think Jesse thinks he has won the game and gets angry at anyone that he sees as in the way of his $500,000. Last year, he had an air of entitlement that passed as conceited. He got mad and freaked whenever it appeared he would not win. This year, it's even worse because he was given the first HOH. The fact that the girls wait on him hand and foot is magnifying it. Kevin proved that to me last night when Jesse became incensed because he dared to even utter the words 'You don't have any power. You aren't the HOH'. Coupled with the fact that Kevin won more money than him for doing nothing, Jesse is gunning for him as a threat to HIS BB win. The fact the he is gay makes no difference to Jesse, IMO.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Hey by all means argue the point - I have my theories on why Jessie doesn't like Kevin, as stated above, but I'd love to hear other theories. If there is evidence that it's simply because Kevin is gay, then by all means share your thinking.

As for not being in the demographic, well no I'm not a gay man. However, that doesn't mean I don't know what it's like to be judged or discriminated against based on something I can't control. And at the same time, I'm not going to assume that every time someone doesn't like me, it's because of some prejudice - maybe they just don't like me.

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
<77>

Lillain,Jesse DOES suck.Kevin is a great ally for Lydia in that he doesn't mind telling her what he really thinks and he "lifts her up" when she is down.If they can remain close,they will both go far.Jesse needs to go..I cannot say that enough!!

Vilhelmusic
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08-09-2007

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vilhelmusic a private message Print Post    
Thanks Lil- ITA, it's just that Jesse had a major dislike for Kevin before he and Lydia even became 'close'. I was thinking he assessed that Kevin was gay and there was no way Kevin would be on his side. He made that assumption right away, I think, based on his sexuality. Anyway, no worries. I am a gay male and I have been through it before. Again for no reason but my sexuality.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Lajonesin, I think we are seeing it roughly the same way - in Jessie's view, everyone in this game is either someone who will help him win, or who will get in his way.

Your point about Kevin winning more than him is a good one; that certainly doesn't help when Jessie feels he should win everything (the thinking of a person who competes for a living!), and his remark about not having the power hit Jessie where it hurts most.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Oh, I must have been absent the day we talked about Jesse being a homophobe...I didn't even know it was brought up.

I haven't seen anything to make me think he hates gays or is anti gay. Trust me if Kevin drank the Jesse Kool-aid like Lydia and Nat and Chima Jesse would be Kevins best buddy.

What did I miss that this was even brought up.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Lori, I'm confused - I thought we were pretty much on the same page as to Jessie's view of Kevin?

I never said Kevin wasn't a great ally for Lydia - he is and she's lucky to have him. I also think he's playing quite a good game at this point. Just because Jessie doesn't like him doesn't mean I don't too!

As for Jessie sucking, well I do agree he can be a jerk, and certainly he's not someone I would ever want to sit and have a beer with. At the same time, I think his strategy is interesting and effective - uniquely so as I don't think too many people could pull it off, nor would they want to - and thus I'm glad he's in the game, because it makes it interesting for me.

Wendy
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07-16-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wendy a private message Print Post    
OT

Lydia is on a roll tonight. She jumped in the bed with Jeff playing around with hi, Michelle then joined in. Jordan then went to get in the bed to with Jeff. Jordan was basically like b - tc -es move. It's the first time I've seen her show any jealously. Too funny.

When did this happen? I'd like to FB. Please!

Lori32
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07-04-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori32 a private message Print Post    
Its discussing it because YOU brought it up..Noone was saying a thing about it before.If they were,show me the posts.And I mean recently,not this season.I cannot speak for times I am not present.Good Lord,I am Native American,and I know all about judgemental people.We dont all live on reservations and we dont all work in casinos.happy now? good grief..

Mindeegap
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07-20-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mindeegap a private message Print Post    
<77>
He was adamant about getting Stephen out last year. Couldn't stand him and was very vocal about it.
Who have you seen Jesse openly want to attack in front of others this year? Kevin and only Kevin. Last night. Chima had to say something about it and when Jesse left the room she said she's seen it happen before with Jesse's weird feelings toward Kevin and she couldn't put her finger on it. Even Russell said something about it after Natalie left the room.
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Lajonesin
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03-22-2008

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lajonesin a private message Print Post    
I think Jesse has some wrong-headed views about gay men myself. I'm surmising that he sees Kevin as weak, centered probably around his idea that to be gay must mean you are effeminate, frail, and easily pushed around by his big ole muscles. When Kevin agreed that his strength wasn't in the challenges but rather in his ability to intuit people's emotions, especially females, Jesse jumped right on that and accused him of only wanting the girls to win. A lot of that conversation had be irked that Jesse would think Kevin was not falling in line and following his idea of the gay man transcript. Maybe he hates gays, or maybe he is just ignorant. I'm going with the latter because I have ample proof of that. The other is just speculation.

Vil, I am sorry to hear you have suffered such undue prejudice. I am praying for the day when a person's sexuality isn't even an issue.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Mindeegap - actually you've raised a broader point. Jessie certainly does seem to view women in a supporting role, and seems to feel most at ease with guys like Russell and Jeff.

So maybe it's not so much homophobia as old fashioned/conservative views of the roles of men and women, and thus he's most at ease and can deal with people who fit into his views of what men and women should be.

People like Kevin and Michele may just confuse him more than anything.

Mindeegap
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07-20-2009

Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mindeegap a private message Print Post    
I thought a lot of Kevin last night for sitting in that room and opening up to them about how he felt, even though Natalie and Jesse were twisting everything he said, Chima was listening and so was Russell and they both got it. I don't think Chima will put him up, but watch and see if Jesse doesn't push for it.