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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 11:20 am
I don't think Ronnie is bad looking. Maybe a little too doughboy but that could be worked on. Nothing wrong with his face. Okay he's no Jeff, but how many guys are?
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Reenie
Member
06-24-2006
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 11:24 am
Gidget, I agree. I don't think there is anything wrong with his looks - it's just his attitude is so off putting that he seems totally unappealing.
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Jenjackso
Member
02-10-2009
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 11:24 am
For me Dr. Will's play equals master manipulator and the difference is obvious. For Ronnie to go around saying that he is one is delusional game play to me.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 11:35 am
I have to say I read Boberg's post as being laced with heavy sarcasm. Boy, I am really on the 'Ronnie is delusional' train. I'm projecting my feelings on everything. lol You ain't nuts Reiann....lol
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 11:51 am
I think there have been many past BB contestants that have said or done worse things than Ronnie has done in the house this season. And, lack of qualification aside, there is no way I could diagnose someone as mentally disturbed based on a game show or some brief glimpse of his personal life.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 11:52 am
Nope no feeling sorry for Ronnie. He prides himself as being a great gamer of BB and other games. The reality is he was a very poor player and won't even make it to the jury house. It's always a good idea to make an attempt to befriend some of the other hg. But in order to do that you have to have social skills and Ronnie doesn't seem to have any. I want him gone and I want him to view his acts and notice how awkward he seems to be in this social setting and then work on acquiring those skills.
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Jacsamik
Member
09-06-2008
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 12:10 pm
Nope....he lost any sympathy from me when he talked about destroying Casey outside the house.....seriously not ok.... If what he said on BBAD last night about what he is going to do when he gets home...review the blogs, see how he was edited, see how he was liked, etc- sure hope he does this....happy reading to you....happy reading to you....
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Emm119
Member
07-12-2005
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 12:10 pm
Wow, my opinion was taken down but I really didn't feel I put Ronnie down personally. I believe, and if it gets removed again, so be it, that Ronnie is a master manipulator, his words not mine, and that he lies to get what he wants. I believe he is this way outside the house as well as inside the house. He will use whatever he thinks will work, be it pity, sarcasm, playing people off of each other. I still think that the saying I wrote before goes. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me until you catch me ... that's my rule to live by....ronnie
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Emm119
Member
07-12-2005
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 12:16 pm
But EM, are these kids born that way or are they nurtured that way? And what has happened in their childhood that causes an adult to escape the real world, create a fantasy world online and self-delusional in the real world and live in it? What causes an adult to self-delude, as it seems Ronnie does? Surely, this is learned behavior. The sad thing about your question is that there are a lot of people who are like that in the cyber world. They make up a fantasy world and play it out here. So many people have been burnt by people who they believe and then come to find out later have lied to them. You could probably find a group of 10 or so people and ask if they ever were caught up in a scam or a huge lie by someone they met here and considered a "good" friend and you will find (I would say at least) 2 people who will tell you yes. So I don't think it has anything to do with BB or their environment, their childhood, I think some people just like to see what they can get away with and like to be the center of attention and really like to prove they can pull one over on everyone.
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Reenie
Member
06-24-2006
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 12:20 pm
Emm, Sadly, that is true. Some people do get their kicks trying to prove that can pull one over on people.
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Nick
Member
07-31-2004
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 12:31 pm
i appreciate the feedback and understand you're right.. i shouldn't use a medical term nor should i diagnose.. i think i'm feeling it's those sort of tendencies that i see.. the anti-social type of tendencies.. but ultimately what i see is no remorse from him at all.. not even a willingness to acknowledge that perhaps there might be another perspective... there is no remorse - maliciously tricking that guy with a made up personality for example, his "fake" crying acts, his diary rooms, the two videos online though one he's simply acting in but still there was something about the glee he portrayed in the skit... there's just an edge there that isn't right.. i guess i'm glad (or hopeful) my path won't cross his.. there's no one else in bb history i've had this type of strong sense about.. even the worst of them.. dick.. maggie etc.. whom i really significantly disliked .. didn't have this feel about them for me.. i just have such an overwhelming sense of foreboding about him..
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:21 pm
I'm not defending Ronnie. However, I don't see his actions in the house as worse than what we have seen in past seasons. In past seasons in no particular order we have seen: - Holding a knife to someone's throat while drunk - many in your face ongoing screaming verbal attacks - people being called a whole bunch of horrible names that would get red dotted here - extreme personal attacks on a HG's family - pouring stuff over someone's head - hiding another HG's personal property - destroying another HG's personal property - blowing smoke in someone's face - getting into a physical altercation where one HG gets burned - making racist comments - attacking someone's religious beliefs - taking great pleasure in someone else's discomfort - attacking a HG's children - all sorts of lying and fabricated stories The list goes on and on. I just don't see Ronnie as particularly heinous compared to some past HG's. In fact, he barely measures up.
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Reenie
Member
06-24-2006
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:24 pm
Jimmer, I know what you are saying, but for many reasons Ronnie is just extremely unlikeable.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:26 pm
Exactly so, Jimmer. Let's say that Ronnie is disappointing because he should have known better as the great player he said to be. His downfall is simply that he played poorly, picked his allies because they seemed invincible to him and this shows poor reflection on his part... all in all, his game was very bad and this is why he's going home.
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Lake_gal
Member
06-09-2004
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:35 pm
Ronnie would be very disappointed to be told he barely measures up. I think he wants to be remembered for something outrageous. I think being forgotten would probably bother Ronnie more than the dislike. Alot of his heroes seem to be really disliked. Ronnie needs attention.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:40 pm
That he played the "classical BB game" I referred to earlier was the "behavioural" aspect of the game, the lying, backstabbing, etc.. that's all allowed in BB, in that regard, he played the 'classical BB game'. However, he also played a poor game because he didn't find a way to stay afloat, he drowned in his own mess.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:42 pm
I think we had a strong reaction of anger to those actions that Jimmer wrote but Ronnie's make a person feel sort of creepy...hard to describe why. Uncomfortable like when he gives that "Jack Nickolson smile in Shining". You know there is something wrong but not quite sure what.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:46 pm
All good points Jimmer, but it really isn't, for me, a ranking of HG but do I feel sorry for Ronnie and no I don't . That doesn't mean I like the actions of some others over the past 11 seasons. However, I honestly haven't found anything about Ronnie to LIKE.. whereas many of those other offenders had a likeable side. (NOT the guy with the knife.. most of those others seemed to have actual hearts at times. Mike Boogie? Eh.. well he has loyalty to at least one friend and as much as I don't like him or anything he represents, he had reached some level of success in the world.. Ronnie, not so much. Taking great pleasure in someone's discomfort.. well Ronnie is in that group.
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:52 pm
Ronnie's downfall is his lack of social skills, period. He is a HUGE fan of BB, he has seen them all, so he KNOWS what to expect. If he took a WRITTEN test about BB, he would ace it...however, he does not know the social cues people are giving. When he walks in a room and is told "I'm gonna nap," or "I'm gonna listen to music," he should leave, NOT sit down, sigh, and say he's bored! When he's confronted verbally, he needs to fight back, say "you're right(or wrong!)," "sorry," or "we'll talk later." instead, he boasts about his skills, saying "I refuse to answer," or "I won't argue cuz I'd win, etc" He should think those things, SAY them. I feel sorry Ronnie doesn't KNOW these things, but he is so smug, it's impossible to like him. Also, he seems to bend whichever way the power leans instead of making up his OWN mind. Remember when he was w/Nat & Jess in the Green room, he looked at the camera, begged for the Power, said he'd use it for "good" pointed to the 3 of them, then said: "unless, America, you want me to use it for evil, I will stir things up!" something like that, proving he will do whatever gets attention, not holding true to his OWN game plan. He is just too willing to BECOME what he THINKS people want, which just makes him annoying! He does not have Dr Will's charisma.
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Weeto
Member
07-24-2009
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:57 pm
Ronnie is getting as good as he gave. I don't feel any sympathy for him. His downfall in the game is being overanxious. He needed to let the first few weeks unfold and then come out guns a blazing. This game plan was bound to fail and he should have known better. I do think he will take eviction harder than the rest because this is so important to him, but I also think he will milk every last drop of attention he can from it.
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:58 pm
Ronnie may not be "as bad" as players in years gone past, but he is "bad" amongst this group. Which is why many of us do not feel sorry for him. He played too hard too quickly, and he tried to play both sides of the house and did it poorly. You don't take something in confidence from one group and then spill it to the other group so that you get found out. You take the info the one group gave you, and you lead the other group in the direction you want them to go based upon that information without tipping your hand. You also don't blatantly make up something about someone and then not expect to be called on it, and when called on it, essentially plead the 5th and then go hide. That doesn't garner sympathy, it garners disdain. Also, I'm glad that Karuuna made the post about sociopaths. Every year it seems that people here (and other places) try to psychologically profile HGs, and nearly every year someone is pegged as having Asperger's or as being a Sociopath. I'm glad Karuuna stepped in as the labels people place on the HGs gets really tiring. I still say that there's nothing wrong with saying that so and so has shown tendencies of this or that, but that's quite different than placing a firm label on them. As I noted earlier, the house seems to bring out the worst in a LOT of the HGs over the years, and maybe the house, the game, and the HOH power brought out the worst in Ronnie. I still don't have to feel sorry for him.
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 2:10 pm
When Ronnie was talking to Chima last night, did you see him when he talked about coming to the Finale? He said: "I'll sit there and be like 'hmmmm'"(puts finger on chin, eyes up) Then he did the motion of 'taking notes' with pencil/paper. Does he think he will actually have a VOTE? He won't even be on the jury! Won't he just be sitting ring-side?!
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Scribe
Member
08-16-2000
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 2:23 pm
NOPE - never once - cyber stalker - oooooooh
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 2:31 pm
Ronnie said he would watch the feeds and make a note of everyones lies. Then he will call the biggest liar out on the finale.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Monday, August 03, 2009 - 2:35 pm
Here's hoping they slip him some medication before the show.
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