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Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
With all the negative gameplay and behavior that happens in the BB house and the tendency for the houseguests to completely forget that they are being watched by the outside world, is it time to bring back America deciding to vote for the winner of BB? I just wanted to see what others thought.

Personally, I'd love to see it happen and have players play the game without becoming complete a**h**** to do it (like Dan and others before him). I'd also like America to have the ability to sanction players for bad gameplay.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
NO! America would vote for who they like best as people, not who played the game best. Sometimes that turns out to be the same person, but very often it does not.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
You are right Lillian. American tends to vote for the "feel good" person. I couldn't stand Dan at first, but once he started showing us game play he was able to pull off being shrewd and being the "feel good" guy. If you remember Dan sat quietly by for the first 3 weeks just reading people.

The dynamics of the house mixed with the players personality are what determines a good player. Russ is trying to be ED, but I don't think he bargained for a Chima. Remember Jen wasn't one to make friends so she had no back up. Ronnie tried to be Will, but that has already been done and the hgs of today have studied past shows, and Laura was actually his demise even though she was out before him. Though Jesse has learned some things from his last appearance his egotistical nature gets in the way of good game play.

If America plays any more parts in this game this year, Jeff or Jordan will fair better than most, simply because of the "love them" factor. If the house is left to it's own I think Michelle has the best chance, since she has been demonized so much. She really doesn't play emotionally and keeps herself in just enough hot water to help her along.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
absolutely not. In many of the voter's choice shows, the more original, different, controversial players are eliminated. I personally think most of America's choices irt Reality TV stink, so no, I don't want America picking the winner.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I think the CDT is enough. We gave it to the person we hope will evict someone we don't like. So in a way we already do have a say who is leaving this week.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Off topic Naja, but I do wonder how many voted for Jeff because they like him and want him to win, and how many voted for him specifically so that he would take out Jessie (or just break up his team). I even wonder if once Jeff's lead was evident, how many threw their votes his way just to ensure Jessie didn't get it, or for that matter that Ronnie would not get it or whoever a voter had a particular hate on for in those few days.

It doesn't really matter in the end, but I do find it interesting to consider why people voted they way they did - I doubt it was the same for everyone.

Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
I'm surprised so far that folks don't want America to pick a winner. Considering American wouldn't be voting for a winner until the end, doesn't anyone think America might vote for the person who played the game the best in addition to who they also liked? Even the houseguests vote for the person in the end that they dislike least.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Depends on who is there in the end Northwestblonde. I think America will first want to pick the person they like best (ie Jeff or Jordan would beat anyone sitting beside them). But if America thinks the final two are equally wonderful (ie Jeff and Jordan) or equally loathsome (ie Jessie and Russell perhaps), then they will vote for who they think is a better game player.

Similarly, I think jury voting criteria places strong alliances/friendships first (ie Jeff and Jordan would vote for each other over anyone, as would Jessie and Natalie, and probably Kevin and Lydia). But if there is no one sitting there who fits that criteria, then they vote for the better player. Third criteria that comes into play sometimes but not often anymore is the revenge vote - voting against someone who wronged you or you really, really dislike.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
I agree with all of you. Earthmother, you have called it right on point! In the end, that is what America would do, just to get a favorite to win. Unfortnately, if the idea is to let them play the game without any outside or other influence, then the whole concept of the game would be totally ruined. (I think that's how Jesse wormed his way back in.)

I remember Danielle (Season 2?) who did so well with winning over the HGs, and she would have won until they saw how she bashed them in her DR sessions, or something like that. It's like you said, "if the house is left to it's own..." the players will judge themselves and each other.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I think the houseguests should nominate and we should vote. That way, it's not just the "nice" people who are left, since you know the HGs won't always vote for the bad guys to leave.

Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
I guess I just miss the fun of being involved like the earlier seasons of BB. Voting for silly, non-game oriented things like what should the have-nots eat for the week is a waste. I really like the coup d'etat idea and that got me thinking about the BB days of old :-)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That's exactly the way it worked for BB1, Costa. Although I enjoyed BB1, it was a completely different show format.

I like what they are doing. Giving America some input into the outcome but not totally determining their fate.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 12:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I always thought the final 2 vote should have 9 votes- the 7 jury members as it is now, but the pre-jury evictees should also get a combined vote- because even though they left early, they do know some things we don't since they were in the house (and it would be unique since they would know everything). The audience should get the ninth vote though a poll. All three facets of the game are then used- the audience gets a vote, the pre-jury evictees get a vote, and the jury gets a majority say.

Northwestblonde
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09-01-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northwestblonde a private message Print Post    
I like that idea Wilsonatmd or what they've done in the past with $25,000 being given to the America's choice. I definitely loved when Survivor gave one million to America's choice...I wish they'd have a $500,000 for BB. It just seems so much of the time good guys finish last.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
More then anything, I'd like to see them go back to having the HG's complete tasks together throughout the week like they did in the first few seasons. Since AG took over, there's been less of that which means they have nothing to do but become bored, bitter and mean to each other. Fill the house with people like Casey, Jeff and Lydia who would love to do more things creative or play games. I find it incredibly boring that the only activity they really have now is to sit around and lie or discuss lying. They could still get alot of game discussion done but not 24 hours a day. Ugh!

But back to the vote ~ I like Wilson's idea!

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
I do not like the Coup d'Etat.
I do not like America influencing the game at all.

Most of all I do not like production rigging the game by putting a former(more experienced)player in the house in a ready made alliance that is larger that the other ready made alliances.
I can tolerate the first two if it rectifies the third.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
I wonder if everyone would be so upset about a former player coming in if it had been Jessica or Brian instead of Jessie.

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 2:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
Absolutely not. No way. One of the biggest problems with BB1 was the fans getting rid of the people who might possibly cause any drama.

Stopthemadness
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 2:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopthemadness a private message Print Post    
I don't think we should be the only vote but I would like us together to vote as one additional vote. 12 HGs, 1 HOH, 2 Noms = 9 HG's votes. America votes also and we add our vote to the 9 votes and make 10 votes. That way we influance the game and the victims I mean the HG will not always be assured of the outcome.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
Heck no!!!! after S8 america should never be involved!

Marmosquirm
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09-10-2003

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marmosquirm a private message Print Post    
I like Wilson's idea a lot. It might even get me watching again. At the beginning of last season I finally realized that no one I liked had EVER won (except BB1 which everyone knows was a completely different show) and I quit watching. I've tried to get back into it this year but so far there's just no one that I like enough to get involved again. Just my !

Jolza
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07-13-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jolza a private message Print Post    
Definitely not. The more input the public has the worst the show will become. Living in Australia, I've never really enjoyed our version of Big Brother for this reason. Just as the first season of Big Brother US, the public voted out each week the person they didnt like, which generally leads to the most interesting people going early before anyone's had a chance to grow to like them. I can guarantee you if the public had a larger say in past seasons, you never would have seen Dr Will do what he did through the All Stars season.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i dont care about us voting for the winner exclusively.

I think we should get a vote like an 8th jury member. IF there was a tie, then the remaining 7 HGs could quickly do a live vote and you never know, someone could change their vote at the last min.

Would be very exciting.

Carmil
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07-17-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 5:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmil a private message Print Post    
FWIW, here's my very unpopular opinion... I always wished the public continued to vote the same way we did in season 1. The hg's nominate and we vote. Just think about it, if that's the way it worked this year, we'd still have Braden & Laura. Unfortunately, Casey still would've been out since he was nom'd against Jordan, but we'll never know if Jessie would've won that HOH the 3rd week if Braden was competing, and Casey might have been safe. I just think the entire dynamics of the house would be different, with much more interesting and entertaining people.

As far as All Stars, Dr. Will was always a fan fave.. the public would not have voted him out, unless he was on the block against Janelle.

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 5:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
Carmil - If the public voted Dr. Will wouldn't have been an all-star. The majority HATED him early in the second season.

Jolza
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07-13-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 5:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jolza a private message Print Post    
Carmil - The entire dynamics of the house would be different, but that doesn't necessarily mean it would be better. Yes there have been times when the people we didn't like have been in power and been able to get rid of someone the public liked, but that is what makes BB so interesting. There really is one easy way to prove giving the public the power is the wrong idea. If the public could choose who goes far, people like Jerry who get a favourable edit could end up winning the whole thing. Remember last year he came 2nd in America's vote for the Jury prize.

Kswheels
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06-30-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kswheels a private message Print Post    
Nobody wants to say it but I will because, being physically handicapped, I think I can safely say this without too much negative backlash.

If Eddie had both legs his mouth would've gotten him voted out. And that is the problem with the fan vote Format. I liked Eddie, but many didn't, and I think he survived and won the game on the sympathy vote.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
I like the idea of America having one vote in the finals. However, we should be careful for what we wish for. Remember, a lot of the people who watch the show don't follow the live feeds. Some people (Chima, as an example) get good edits. Didn't Jerry finish high in the fave juror vote last season?

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
Lillian,

I think had one of them been back in the house there wouldn't be alot of the it's unfair, larger group...etc etc.

Jessie wasn't very well liked but Brian was. I personally like Jessie! ;-)