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Is Chima's Past Affecting Her Game

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Lillian
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07-29-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 5:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
To the original question, I think Chima's past - both the crime and her upbringing - are most definitely influencing how she plays the game. Lydia also has something going on there as some have said, and I will add two more: Russell and Jessie. And Ronnie. And Michele.

I think many people come into the BB house trying to prove something to themselves or others, or trying to make up for some past experience/personal inadequacies in their lives.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
Chima seems like a very strong woman who obviously takes no crap from anyone, including those who are close to her. I can't tell if it's a defense mechanism due to her personality or if it's a learned behavior. At first I kind of liked that she was the only one in the house who wouldn't let Russell bully them, since she went toe to toe (or nose to nose) with him. She got major credit for that, especially after he bullied Michelle and she didn't even try to defend herself. Before that, we didn't see Chima behaving like this. She did whine and complain, but then again all the house guests do that from time to time. It was as though something or someone (Russell) set her off, and now she can't turn it off. Have you noticed that as soon as Russell sees Chima is doing okay, he does something to set her off? Unfortunately for her, she takes the bait everytime.

As far as victims go, I tend to disagree with those who say her incident is in the past and she should get over it. Things happen to people that is so damaging to them, that even 20+ years later, they still can't come to grips with. Therapy is most often necessary, I suppose.

Lydia has confided in Kevin about how she has been abused by men and that it affects her. She and Chima could possibly learn from each other, since they seem so opposite in how they handle situations with men.

Sminger
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08-03-2007

Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sminger a private message Print Post    
Would Chima have been screened psycholoically (sp) before coming in the house? I wonder if BB knew of this crime before she came in. Looks to me like that should have been a consideration in picking her for the group, especially if she has a fear of men, which I have seen no sign of. If her personality outside the house is the same as in the house, she must be very lonely. Watching her on TV really puts me off even with hearing her story. I think she may need intensive counseling.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Also, lets not forget Chima wasn't only raped, she was abused/beaten profusely by her rapist, requiring 2 surgeries to fix her face. So I think their are two elements that are attributing to her behavior and perhaps reactions towards men, or at least towards Russell, whom someone mentioned might be triggering a reaction in her as well.

Also, a good point was made that maybe the recent execution of her rapist might have affected something in her more currently. I do agree that counseling or additional counseling might benefit her.

I at first thought Chima was referring to Russell as a terrorist in the awful sense of the word, but then I thought I read she said, "Terrorist. Terrorist. Because he's terrorizing everyone in the house," so I figured perhaps that's why she was calling him that. Does she mean it in the other way? Has it been clearly communicated by her that she meant it in the worse sense of the word? Or is it ambiguous? I don't know because I don't have the feeds.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Ahnicka, she said something about America hating Middle Easterners, so it's definitely in context of the worst sense of the word.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 5:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I at first thought Chima was referring to Russell as a terrorist in the awful sense of the word, but then I thought I read she said, "Terrorist. Terrorist. Because he's terrorizing everyone in the house," so I figured perhaps that's why she was calling him that.

Seeing as how when Chima origianally started calling Russell a Terrorist, she said, "Yeah, I went there, I took it there. America hates Middle Eastern men and they won't care...."
Uh, yeah, she meant it in an extremely bigoted way.
She may be pulling in from that as she realizes that it might not come off very well. But her original intention is quite clear to me.

As is her "screw whitey" comments. Even though they're always followed by her wild laugh, there is NO humor in them.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
While I never saw either of those, it's why I'm not giving Chima a pass for her actions based on her past. You can choose to be a victim, or you can get past it (while still never forgetting). I see Chima as playing the victim card as often as she plays the race card. I have no sympathy for her because of that.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 7:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
I just find it sarcastically amusing how Chima is getting raked over the hot coals for her conduct. While I don't particularly care for Chima, I do remember other house guests from previous seasons doing and saying far worse things. They dug so deep about people's cultures, backgrounds, and stereotypical beliefs that it was sickening. We saw brief mentions in a thread, but that was it. Someone mentioned that are at least 5 different threads about Chima, <93> Just wow!

Mindeegap
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07-20-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mindeegap a private message Print Post    
<93> I don't see her being treated any differently than any of the other HG here. There are some, OK, a Lot of us here that love Jeff and Jordan but there are plenty that remind us of their few flaws.
Some of us are more sensitive to what is being said about our faves.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
I rake everyone over the coals for their behavior. That's why they're in there, isn't it?

Chima's coals are just a little hotter than others'.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
LOL I love it, Bee!

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Chief I get what you mean. I too found, Chima, after that game a woman who knows she has problems with her past and no filters for her expression. She is bright and articulate, totally out of her element in that house. Though I love Jeff and Jordan as well I find I've softened a bit when it comes to Chima. To be honest I think her biggest mistake was not coming to grips with her problems before undertaking BB. Who knows maybe when she actually views herself it will be her best medicine. Perhaps her friends and family don't honestly tell her she's acting like an ass.

I was surprised at how much I learned from them last night. If I were in that house I think the only one I would have any meaningful conversations with would be Chima. She and I have the same core beliefs on many subjects and we would be able to talk about many things other than game. I would gravitate to her for nothing more than sanity away from the scheeming.

The two most intelligent people in that house are Chima and Lydia. They are well informed and know how to communicate it. Nat gets away with playing the kid, because she has yet to show me that she is anything but a kid. Jesse doesn't seem to know much about anything that isn't explained to him. Kevin can't put a thought together without assistance. Michelle is BORING and obviously has not experienced too much in her life. Jordan is sweet,good hearted plain and simple. Jeff was my biggest disappointment. He doesn't seem to have a grasp on world or social affairs. Though I think he is funny, sweet and damn good looking, he wouldn't be interesting enough after the sex, and there will come a time when his good looks won't be enough.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Earthmother I agree with much of your analysis except for a few points:

Michele is an odd duck, but I think among her friends or people who are more like her, she could be a lot of fun and have a lot to contribute to a conversation. She's just completely out of her element with this crowd.

Chima will not learn a thing from this, IMO. She's talked a lot about the women in her family and I think that while the crimes against her had an effect, she was likely still mouthy, self-involved and thinking the world of herself long before that. My bet is that her friends and family love her and will assure her that she's just too strong for people and too fabulous and too smart and whatever, and don't listen to all those critics because they don't know you and don't appreciate you and don't understand what you've been through etc etc etc. My bet is that Chima will consider her time in BB a great success and be very proud of herself.

Glad you said that about Jeff though - yes he's a nice guy and is old enough to have a decent level of street smarts and social skills, but beyond the kind of conversations you'd have over a few beers, I think he has little to offer. I honestly think he doesn't talk much because he really doesn't have much to say.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I love Jeff's quips and responses. My dad's from Chicago and Jeff reminds me why I love the folks there so much. People there are more down to earth and less self involved. I think Jeff is very smart and is purposely being nonchalant with others because he knows they are all full of it lol

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
Regarding Chima I've done a 180 on her and she is definitely one of my favorites now. Doesn't mean I condone or like everything she's said but as an imperfect person myself I do see a woman that has dreams (marriage) insecurities but also is very kind. I have seen Chima numerous times in conversations with others take the high road when they are attempting to belitte or gossip about another player. She's defended Michelle and not taken the bait Jesse was dangling about Jeff and Jordan on a few occassions.

Ahnicka
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08-08-2007

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ahnicka a private message Print Post    
Thanks to all who cleared up the "terrorist" comments for me. I don't have the feeds, so I wasn't able to catch its initial context.

Chief, I agree with your Aug. 12 7:54 am post. I only see the Mod'd part, not sure what the unmod'd part said. I do think Chima's "terrorist" comments are wrong, especially in today's society, but others have said and done far worse. That doesn't make it right, but I do have to agree with Chief's assessment.

Chima really doesn't bother me like it appears she does some others. Her laugh would grate on my nerves a bit if I was in the house, but for the most part I think she's insightful and intelligent; and like Earthmother, I would probably gravitate towards her for more stimulating conversations. But that's just me.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 2:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i dont think michele is boring. she is guarded. Unlike the other Wannabee HGs, she has a serious job than requires a certain amount of decorum.

chima, on the other hand, seems to feel any camera time is GOOD times. Doesnt matter what she says as long as she is getting covered. I wonder what place will hire her after all this crazy stuff she's talked about.

biased journalists are not very employable are they?

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 5:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
biased journalists are not very employable are they?

In this day and age it appears to me that the majority of journalists are very biased. They go where the money is. If someone out there wants an expose of dirt on a reality show, she will be hired.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 6:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I would say that bloggers now consider themselves to be journalists. And as such, anyone can write a blog and say anything they want. It's my one main complaint against blogs... they are NOT truth, they are the blogger's opinion.

I'd also say that there is one news network whose "journalists" are very biased yet they are quite employed (cough, Fox, cough). <g,d,r>

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 6:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Interestingly, Chima and Kevin were having this very discussion last night. They believe there is plenty of work to be had for biased journalists...but if you want the real news, you need to watch Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, or the BBC. According to Chima, that is.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
Costacat, so true! Cough, Fox, cough!

What555456
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06-14-2005

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 7:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
So, is Chima's bringing all the women together into an alliance because she no longer trusts nor likes men or is it good strategy? Or possibly both?

Either way, if she can make this stick, it could be a formidable and overwhelming power in the house -- at least until all the men are gone. Then the cat fights will begin. Having five women in the house with no men (assuming all the men go first) could make for a very nasty final few weeks. Women can be so vicious with each other.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
It'll never work. The women will backstab each other over the remaining men.