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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:25 pm
I know this is not exactly on topic but it is the topic being discussed in this thread right now. I would like to ask people to weigh in. Have you ever been made to feel badly by a racist comment? I have. The first time I heard a racist comment I was 5 years old and pretty upset by it because I had no coping skills for such things. I have a strong feeling that many of us have experienced this. In fact, you'd pretty much have to live in a bubble to be unscathed by bigotry.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:58 pm
I have. I think the solution is to try to look past the word, and look at the person who is saying it. I know a woman who uses two terms that that are offensive to many people, but she uses it to refer to her own ethnicity. She's been using the word since I have been old enough to remember. However, the woman is almost 90 years old, and it's the words that she knows and has known all of her life. Do I think she has hate in her heart? No! Am I going to stop talking to her because she uses the words? No!
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:59 pm
Keldogg, what did Chima say? I missed that. And was it Lydia who used the term Gringo?
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:00 pm
Chima called them "dirty white girls". Lydia called Braden a M***F***G WhiteAss Gringo.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:06 pm
Really! So where's all the outrage about that? I thought I heard Lydia use that term on a YouTube but I wouldn't call her a racist based on that. I realize she was angry. And after all, she shortly thereafter climbed into bed with a mf'ing whiteass gringo. 
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:13 pm
Preeeeeecisely, Holly.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:34 pm
Context, Holly. Chucking insults at someone that include the colour of their skin isn't the same as judging someone as inferior because of the colour of their skin.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:47 pm
Kitt, please explain to me how Beaner is any worse than Gringo.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:52 pm
<Chucking insults at someone that include the colour of their skin isn't the same as judging someone as inferior because of the colour of their skin.> LOL. I double dog dare you to go into Harlem and tell someone to "get your black ass over here". You bet you'd be called a racist.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:54 pm
You wouldn't be called a racist, because they'd never find your body. 
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:56 pm
He told Kevin "you're a beaner," closely followed by telling him that he (Braden) was a "white American" and that Kevin should "go back to Mexico." It wasn't just a random thrown out insult it was a series of sentences suggesting that Kevin's opinion was less important than Braden's because he wasn't white like Braden. As I said up thread, if you don't agree, each to their own, but I'm finding it pretty shocking and saddening that I'm having to justify my belief that sentiments like that are racist and unacceptable. And that's all on this subject from me.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:57 pm
Ain't that the truth, Keldogg. 
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 5:01 pm
If one were to take Braden's comments and put another race on them, I'm sure you could see how they would be completely racist. For instance, "Go back to Africa, you N." or "Go back Italy, you S" or "Go back to China, you C" I don't see what Braden said as any different than those examples.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 5:03 pm
Kitt, I agree with you on principle about using racist/ethnic epithets. But *I* find it saddening that there's so much denial regarding reverse racism. How is it any less evil or more acceptable? Yet many refuse to even acknowledge its existance or minimize its effect. And that's all I've got to say on the subject too. We're just going round in circles now.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 5:09 pm
Good point, Holly. AFIC, including someone's colour in the insult slinging does make it racist. Why would you call someone a white/black/yellow/red sob or whatever, unless you were implying that their colour was part of their being an sob? If Braden isn't a racist, he sure needs some therapy for impulse control.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 6:27 pm
Do you guys know where Julie Chen considers home? CA or NY? I know she constantly flies between the two for her shows. Mainly I am wondering because her weekly blog says it's doctor orders that she has to stop travelling completely come some time in August. If her home is in CA, that's fine for BB...but if her home is in NY, someone would have to take over BB. I'm leaning toward that she and Les live in CA since we haven't heard anything about someone else taking over for her hosting gig on BB.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 6:52 pm
Puzzled, what is AFIC?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 6:53 pm
I wondered that too. I bet she has a second home in LA and that's where she'll be when she can't travel. She's said she's doing BB through to the end of the season and I can't imagine she's doing it all on a telelink from NY.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:01 pm
That does make the most sense, Kitt.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:12 pm
AFIC - (As far as I'm concerned)
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:18 pm
She may have a home there now, but she always flew to CA on eviction day and flew back to NY when she was done with the taping of the evicted HG interview.
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:29 pm
Thanks Teach.
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 1:36 am
Wasn't quite sure where to post this: CBS censors racial slurs on big brother
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 8:53 am
That was interesting, Wargod. Thanks.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 11:03 am
Yes that was a good article Wargod. It got me to thinking. When I was in my teens and 20s among my peers, we never used racial slurs or excessive profanity. That was in the prehistoric days. Fast forward to today. Most of the people in the house are the product of a politically correct society and yet they are as bigoted as ever, if not more. At least in their language. Not just this group of houseguests but going back the last few years. Personally I don't believe in giving power to words but I am a little surprised about how easily some words are used, especially profanity. For all our discussions here about using speaking slurs, it seems to me the problem is actually worse in this so called enlightened age than it was back in my days.
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