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Marksman
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05-04-2007

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 3:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marksman a private message Print Post    
Jesse and Natalie went after Jeff essentially from Day 1. He has zero use for either of them.

I think people questioning what Jeff will do with the CDT are forgetting this. Jeff won't talk to Jesse because Jesse was a rick with a p to him from day 1. There is no chance Jeff has forgotten that.

I like Caprica's angle too. Everyone says that they would not want to compete against Jordan in the F2, but the reality is NOBODY would vote for her to win right now because she has done nothing to point to as making her worthy. So at this point she is the perfect person to take to the F2.

If Jeff could manage to bring Jordan to the F2 that would assure him of the win because most would likely view it as Jeff carrying her while remaining loyal to her as well. It is unlikely Jordan could do anything between now and then to overcome that pretty big stockpile.

So right now it is in Jeff's best interest to protect Jordan as best he can without sacrificing himself. Having Jordan with him gives him the best chance to win at the Final 3 (He or Jordan will mean he will likely make the finals), and the best chance to win at the Final 2.

Donnagg
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08-11-2007

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Donnagg a private message Print Post    
I don't think they will make it to the end together unless they or possibly Michelle will all the HOHs left. Everyone knows it's in your best interest to get out tight alliances. And after Jesse or Nat leaves they will definitaly be the strongest. They need to stay stong with each other for as long as they can.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 5:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
thank you What! finally someone speaks rationally about the game.

I dont think a person has to be for or against Jeff to make a comment about Jordan.

She is the anchor around his neck and her lack of gameplay is proof. Jeff has been pretty miffed a few times since she has Loose lips.

She does not have a poker face and when people are grilling her for info she does let things slip.

Everyone in the house knows Jordan and Jeff are a team- two vote block of power. That is a reason that Jordan was up for two evictions already.

this is her week to step up and win something. I predict a HOH crapshoot so she has a chance.

IF jordan doesnt win next week, she may very well end up gone.

Russ will protect jeff as he is the bigger target in the game. The others know Jordan wont play ball Per say.

So she's gotta go, one way or the other.

Leafsweetie
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06-29-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 5:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Leafsweetie a private message Print Post    
Thanks for fixing the thread title :-)

What555456
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06-14-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
Leafsweetie!

Did I mess up the title when I started this thread?



Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
When I listen to some of the Young girls and Guys talk in todays Life, Sigh I so would rather some Jeff and Jordan's! He may be better off without her its hard to say! She has been his Buddy and friend since the start and had she betrayed him and ran behind his back This thread would have had a whole Dif Title!
Every year there is that certain couple! Danielle and Nick, Etc Etc! at least it isn't a sleazy showmance! I so would rather watch this Than the likes of Chelsia and James/Ollie and April. Nat and Matt etc etc etc!!and this is JMOP Not meening to slander any past or present HG

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
Kep421,

I said that Jeff won't make it to F7 unless he starts winning something. He certainly isn't like Will because he lacks Will's flexibility, Will had some strong allies who could also win and had a strong base to work in, Jeff has only Jordan who is just as bad as Jeff at comps.

He will be on the block on Friday if he does not win HOH and if he doesn't win POV he will be following Jessie to the Jury House since they want to keep Jordan but not him. Why.. I don't know, they're just jealous of his popularity, I guess, because he's not a threat whatsoever, he could be kept a little longer because there are bigger fish to fry.

However, he may still be saved if Russell wins HOH, it's a tiny hope but it's better than nothing.

Caramella
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07-20-2002

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 2:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caramella a private message Print Post    
I agree with the original poster that Jeff and Jordan need to be broken up. No, I don't expect Jeff to just drop Jordan, but someone needs to atleast try to get rid of her at some point. I know that Jeff has told her she was his best friend, rock, etc. but in the end Jordan is looking for Jeff to cover her to get to the end. She's not really playing the game...she's just there. That to me is NOT exciting. Of course I don't know if Jeff will make it to the end, but if he does, i'd much rather see him up against someone who was really playing, opposed to someone who road his coattails all the way, and won the whole game just because she didn't piss the jury off.

Aside from the cutesy Showmance and Jordan's childlike attitude....I have no clue what kind of strategy she has.

Shenanagon
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 2:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shenanagon a private message Print Post    
I think just to be nice to others and try and avoid all the drama is working for her pretty well. She's been on the block twice and I think this week you are right, she needs to get HOH or win something and show she's fighting for this.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 5:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Good point Spunky...

The way I see it, Jeff dumping Jordan will only benefit the personal gameplay of Chima, Natalie, Jessie, Russel, Kevin, Lydia and possibly Michele. (not sure anything can benefit Michele's gameplay)

Since I don't care to see any of them in the finals, I think Jeff should NOT dump Jordan.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 6:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Jeff & Jordan need to stay together until the end. They are the strongest Alliance BB has ever seen. They will NOT go against each other which is what I love about them. I believe because of this they will be in the Final 2. I think Jeff will win the $500,000 which will give Jordan real incentive to date him in real life!

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 6:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Remember: Memphis road Dan's coat tails all the way to the Final 2. Memphis did nothing except win one veto and in my opinion had no gameplay. That's why Dan was awarded the $500,000 even though Memphis was liked by more than Dan. Dan really played the game. That's why I think Jeff will win in the end.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 6:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
I think that if J/J make it to the end, Jordan will win. The jury will be bitter, and will feel that Jeff only made it that far because of America's gift, and therefore he shouldn't get the money.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Lillian- Yeah but remember Dan was Americas Player and he won! Also Dan pissed alot of people off and he was awarded the $500,000. I think people focus too much on the jury. Its a crap shoot and in my opinion 50/50. I think Jeff realizes that and he will pick Jordan to go with him because of that.

What555456
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06-14-2005

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 7:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send What555456 a private message Print Post    
I note that according the the live feeds, the decision has been made that Jeff and Jordan are the next targets. It is likely that Jeff would not be had he spent more time with the other HG's and not stayed focused on protecting Jordan for so long.

Too bad. Jeff could have gone much farther if Jordan had not latched on to him, played the helpless, hapless female and then held on for dear life.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
The jury will be bitter, and will feel that Jeff only made it that far because of America's gift, and therefore he shouldn't get the money.

I don't see Jeff wining the CDE as a gift. That was a part of the game and anyone could have won. It was Jeff's personality and demeanor which made him win the CDT. This is a game that involves America... Jeff may not be as good at scheming, but he is good at the part f the game that involves America's vote. The CDE was not charity given to advance him... simply a power of the game which he won.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 7:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
What...Jeff has been a target since week one, when the other Aths felt he wasn't going along with their program.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Jeff became a target when he refused to drink the "Jessie/Nat" koolaid.

Jordan hand nothing to do whith Jeff's being outside his own clique. Jeff chose to not hang with them because he didn't care for their bullying gameplay...Jordan just became a more pleasant side affect of Jeff's decisions.

Chief
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08-09-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chief a private message Print Post    
At this point, Jeff would not win against Jordan if they were in F2. The jury would have a lot to say about how Jeff shouldn't win because of the CDT. But they will also not want to give him the prize because he won't commit to playing the game. Each HG at some point has mentioned that Jeff doesn't like to talk game, doesn't want to be around others, doesn't participate, etc. For them, it's almost like Jeff showed up to be on vacation, and not to play the BB game, by being bothered with game play.

I hope he does use the CDT. At least he will start to be seen as a player. But still the jury would have a hard time voting for him because he didn't do it on his own - America helped him.

And as for Jordan winning, I think the jury will give her credit for at least trying to get involved in the game, talking to others, being involved, etc. IMO she should get credit for being Jeff's liaison with the rest of the house because she gathers the info and reports back to him. He uses that info for his knowledge bank, but it's a shame that he doesn't seem to want Jordan to make any decisions for the two of them.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
What555- I disagree. Jordan has helped Jeff get this far by befriending houseguests and cheering Jeff up. I think they are a great team and need each other. Jeff was a target since week 1 and I think Jordan helped get that target off his back. Now its time for people to take risks. I mean eventually everyone is a target. I feel strongly that neither Jeff or Jordan would have made it far without each other. I guess I am a sappy romantic but I think they were meant to meet each other through BB.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Chief-Everyone is forgetting that Dan was Americas Player last year and he won the top prize. I think Jeff will win it for sure over Jordan and I think he will keep his promise and take her to the Final 2.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
The other side has to win hoh first before they can target Jeff and Jordan. J/J/M has as much chance of winning hoh as the next person.

I disagree that Jeff has spent all his time protecting Jordan. What has he done to protect her? Having CDT is the first time Jeff has had any power to protect himself and Jordan. And having the CDT power is a double edge sword because it has to remain a secret until he uses it therefore he can’t negotiate deals to help advance his game. Other than winning POV in week two, Jeff hasn’t had any power or influence to protect Jordan let alone himself. Jordan being sweet and a non threat had more to do with her surviving two weeks on the nomination block than anything Jeff has done for her.

Jeff became a target when he did not connect with his clique. From the start he's been on Jessie's crap list and as a result everyone who has fallen in line with Jessie's alliance has made Jeff their target. No matter what Jeff did in the past or does not do in the future, he will always be a target and NOT having Jordan as his ally and friend would not have changed that.

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
It still remains the fact that these two can't win comps and if they can't they'll follow Jessie.

They already have agreed to eliminate Jeff first, followed by Jordan, then Michelle. It could be true if Russell wasn't there to maybe save Jeff.

I don't want the two split but they better start winning...

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 8:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Spunky-What do you mean these 2 can't win comps? Jeff won a Veto comp! Plus Jeff came in 2nd (almost winning) in 2 HOH Comps. Remember Memphis last year only won a veto, nothing else! He wasn't ever HOH. But I think this week is Jeff's to win HOH. I feel it in my blood! If Jeff, Jordan, Russell, Michelle or Lydia win HOH I think J/J will be safe if they can get Jessie out tonight. Those are really good odds!

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Jeff wasn't protecting Jordan when he won the POV and took himself off the block. Jordan was put up in his place.

When the cliques were in place, Jeff didn't have to win any comps, because he was protected by his team (even though they didn't like him). I think he could have won more, but didn't want to make himself a bigger target than he already was. I think we will start seeing more from him now.