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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 11:59 am
No one is making excuses for Braden but when we talk about context, let's talk FULL context and not just that one fight in the house because everything else led up to that moment of frustration in the by. If people want to harp ONLY on Braden and his comments, then is it okay if I now harp ONLY on Chimas 'that WHITE girl' comments? I'm sick of the negative hatred in the house and actions do speak louder then words for me. Compared to Jess, Russ, Lydia, Nat and even Kevin, Braden was a minor bigot in comparison IMHO. To only harp on Braden's means to me that people are excusing all the rest and I'm sick of reverse racism being okay. And I apologize if I'm reading others wrong but I just feel a strong sense of reverse racism being okay and enough is enough already on both sides. BB needs to call them ALL out, not just one person
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:05 pm
ITA Kappy. Call them ALL out. Bee, I just watched the short version shown on the mornng show--WAY different. You should watch the long version, link posted at beginning of this thread.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:05 pm
Glitter...may I ask a question? And please know that I'm really not trying to "start something". You say that you would never call someone a racist for a word they use. But when taken in the context of how Braden said it, would you? What he said is: I'm a white American. Why don't you go back to Mexico, you beaner. Do you not consider that statement in its entirety racist?
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:07 pm
Kappy...I think that here, in this thread at this particular moment, we are "harping" on Braden because of his eviction last night. Should the same sort of circumstances happen with another HG, I'm sure we'll be "harping" on them, too. LOL
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:09 pm
Holly...I will for sure watch it when I get the time. I was just addressing the fact that what we actually saw on the show and the Early Show did not really reflect an attack from Julie. Only internet folks will see that interview.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:13 pm
Holly, I just found a post from you. I don't mean to ignore you, but this thread is moving so fast now. Plus my PC just had a reboot again, ... In your 10:35 post, you said: Chy, if Julie really views it as just "silliness", why would she give a toss and press so hard for him to apologise about "the B word" as you call it! Surely the epithet Ho is as bad as, if not worse (from her point of view anyway, being the one who was called it) as Beaner. So, it makes no sense that she would totally blow off the Ho insult but be so up on her high horse about the beaner insult. I still think that, after 10 seasons of BB, Julie knows very well about all the "craziness, silliness, stoopidness, ..." the house helps produce. She knew right there and then how those words would be beeped. She also knows how much the BB fans won't hold them up as gospel. But I think she might have had the show's interest in heart and wanted to give Braden a chance to say sorry about calling Kev & Ly beaners and such. Remember all the bad press about other racial slurs in the past seasons? As stated in your other post, Julie was pretty hurt about the nic "Chenbot". It does since it is from her (targeted/desired)audience. I don't think she would worry about Braden's out burst in BB House. Because she knows that is not going to make us all think of her as a Wh*&^. I came from the same island Julie did. Believe me, with our culture background, it is a great big deal to be called such a derogatory name. But I believe Julie could see through all the garbage and know that it wasn't really a mud sling at her. She's not what he said and we all know it. So in this case, it only shows how Braden has an extremely small vocabulary when push comes to shuff. Well, I don't have a lot of words ready to use at a fight either, but I don't call people names like that either. I don't know. Braden is too young and he hasn't been around much??
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:13 pm
"Should the same sort of circumstances happen with another HG, I'm sure we'll be "harping" on them, too." Trust me, Bee, they won't. But at this particular moment, it's obviously time for me to take a break from BB. 
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:21 pm
Bonbon: (I don't think they have ever cared about the Internet viewers so I do believe that Julie's interview was for the benefit of the TV viewer) But that whole interview could only be viewed on line. I was thinking about how they never cared about the Internet viewers either. Maybe this is an attempt from Julie to shake the "Bot" name?? I really didn't want to, but maybe I'll take a look at Sucks reaction to all these later. See if they cheer or dump on her some more.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:23 pm
I would NEVER call someone a racist for a word they used..yes it was wrong but to me refering to someone as a racist may be worse. *** Unbelievable!! So just because someone uses a racist word, you don't think they are racist???? What would make them a racist? Do they have to lynch someone in order to be considered a racist? The way I identify a racist is by the language they use. IF you don't want to be called a racist, don't use racist language. If you use racist language, you are a racist. It is as simple as that.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:32 pm
quote:Bonbon: (I don't think they have ever cared about the Internet viewers so I do believe that Julie's interview was for the benefit of the TV viewer) But that whole interview could only be viewed on line. I was thinking about how they never cared about the Internet viewers either. Maybe this is an attempt from Julie to shake the "Bot" name?? I really didn't want to, but maybe I'll take a look at Sucks reaction to all these later. See if they cheer or dump on her some more.
Chy: Thanks for pointing that out... I didn't realize that I was watching an uncut version of the CBS show. It makes more sense to me now. Those that watched the feeds would be the one's who saw the above-linked interview... those that watch only the TVShow would most likely only see the shorter version (I have not seen) which perhaps she is not questioning him on something the viewers did not see. (man I just made myself dizzy)
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:34 pm
I share your dizziness, Bon.... 
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:40 pm
Here is the very short interview that aired on The Early Show...that TV only watchers would see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLsHE4k3aWY
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:41 pm
I have met some racist people that never said a racist comment in front of me but I still knew they were racist.I have no idea how Braden intended his comment to be taken but the whole thing was just stupid on his part and he deserved his boot. Chima had no problem when the comment was made because she ran outside and said she heard "..er" but when she found out it was not the N word she was like "whatever". People let alot of crap slide when it's not directed at them.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:42 pm
"Unbelievable!!" Really? REALLY? Gliterrae ~ You are now shunned.

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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:54 pm
Wow Beekind... that was a very different interview of the "surfer that everyone seemed to like" ... just goes to prove there are two different shows... the edited and the 24/7!
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:57 pm
Absolutely really!!! The older I get the more people amaze me. With all that has been accomplished in the field of civil rights, I cannot believe that some people think it is OK to use racist language. Go to the Museum of Tolerance and walk through their tunnel of words and see if you still think it's OK.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:58 pm
I'm sorry, I don't watch any morning shows. Do you mean that 15 minute interview I saw online was not what was broadcast on TV?
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:59 pm
I have met some racist people that never said a racist comment in front of me but I still knew they were racist. That was what's in my head and couldn't come out. Caprica said it. I sorta see Kappy's point. There is too much politically correctness going around some time. But at the same time, if you said a slur that you didn't mean to, why won't you grab the first chance handed to you and explain yourself? I don't think Braden is a racist. He needs to come clean soon though.
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Jushvnfn
Member
07-29-2006
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:03 pm
Okay, here's my First let me state for the record this...I believe that if you laugh at a racist joke, you're no better than the person telling it! Like with Jesse, I have no idea what Braden is saying most of the time. I do think in his brain, saying the word Beaner ( not that it's right) is like someone calling him a Surfer. I don't think he thinks long term. He seems like the guy that is always looking for the party, and doesn't really care who's there! IMO. My take on Julie. I think she was trying to let him redeem himself.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:03 pm
Gidget, very different overall tenor. The aired piece was 2:25 minutes, and they used maybe 50 seconds of the 15 plus minute interview we saw online.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:04 pm
I am not saying it is ok. I am saying it is overblown and old news. Boohoo and sticks and stones. Until people grow up about slights imagined and real, we will always have racial problems and more importantly we will always have wars.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:04 pm
One of the things I found most interesting was that they bleeped out Chima's name when Julie Chen said it in the closing minutes of last night's show. I wonder why they did that?
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:08 pm
Juju...I think one of the HGs blurted out a cuss word at that point, because Julie had just announced the tie. I do not think Chima's name was bleeped.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:09 pm
Upthread or in another thread, someone said that someone in the audience last night said something loud enough that needed bleeping. Or what Bee said.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:09 pm
One explanation that I heard Juju was that there was background sound that had to be bleeped. Because grown ups should be told what words they can hear. And they can't be trusted enough to monitor what television shows their kids watch.
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