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Aurora
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11-24-2006

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
Mary, it would be a mixed message if she were to kiss Jeff passionately and then say they're BFF's forever, not kissing him "like they are in grade school" and then saying that. Perhaps that's all it is. No mixed message that.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Earthmother- I have a soon to be 11 yr old daughter. If she got on a reality TV show & fell in love I wouldn't expect her NOT show affection to the guy she loved. I would have no problem with it. If she chose to have sex with him on tv that would be her choice and I would have NO issue with it. Again we are all too prudish about sex in America. Sex is a normal part of a relationship and there's nothing wrong with it at all.
Lastly, I keep saying but noone is listening that I do NOT expect them to have sex but how about some affection? At least more than quick kisses under the covers? Its just not normal. There is a disconnect with Jordan and I think its wearing thin on Jeff and I don't blame him at all.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
I can't believe this is a conversation about how it's ok to have sex on national TV. Seriously?

There's something to be said for modesty and controlling your sexual emotions, especially in front of a crowd of people, IMO. I find that much more appealing than the "if it feels good do it" mantra. It just might be that Jeff feels the same way.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Aurora- You must have missed it but they have kissed passionately a few times! Then she said they were just BFF's? huh? Besides I don't ever kiss my guy friends on the lips no matter what and especially Not passionately as she has. It is mixed messages and not fair to Jeff. She needs to make up her mind.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Mary, love??? They have had some quick kisses. What purpose would it serve to have make out sessions and getting all hot and bothered when you know you aren't going any further?

What is not normal??? It is not normal to me when people are so emotional that they think they are going to meet their spouse in a game like BB. If it happens outside afterwards, great, but inside is just ridiculous.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Don't forget- Jordan's grandpa also warned her about being used by a guy and then being dumped at the end- which has happened more than once on BB. She's protecting herself.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
Mary, I was referring to your post where you said kissing like you're in grade school was creepy and then said to kiss him and then say you're BFF's is wrong. You left out the passionate part.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
You may not have any reservations about sex and neither do I, but the lesson of a time and a place is lost on so much of our younger generation. When kids in my class do or say things I always ask "would you do that in church? Would you say that in front of your grandmother?" Free love and free speech, or free anything always has a price. If you are willing to pay that price, have at it, but if you are not then play it cool.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Once you leave this house you have to go home. If you can't wait until you get out of the camera house and go to the jury house then you have no will power. I think Jordan is smart (a lot smarter than she is given credit for) and has respect for herself and her family. I don't see why anyone would want her to sacrifice her principles to entertain them.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Aurora- Sorry but I disagree. I guess I am very liberal but I see NOTHING wrong with having sex on tv or at least makeout sessions. I have NO use for Modesty or controlling my emotions at all. LOL
We are emotional beings with feelings and desires and to think that goes away in the BB house is ridicuolus.
Aurora, also- When they kiss she gets wierd and acts like a 6th grader but a few of their kisses were passionate. Then she turns around and tells them they are just friends. Noone else thinks that's unfair?
Earthmother-And yes, I definetly think someone could find true love in the BB house or any reality show. I mean people find love in very strange places. I do think J/J have fallen in love. Just my opinion.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
I didn't say they couldn't find love in the BB house, but wouldn't you rather see if it's real than just an act to win money. I think she trusts Jeff but it's smart of her to also be on the defensive. Drew screwed Diane and she also thought he was the love of her life. I don't find modesty or controlling my emotions a problem in the real world, but I also wouldn't have sex on the front lawn or run errands topless, to prove it.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Earthmother- I guess I have no Willpower then. LOL

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Reality shows are highly artificial situations, and especially in this show *showmances* have often been lies, just to further oneself in the game.

I think it's very wise to be cautious. If it is really love, it will be love when the game is over too. As the sayings go, love is patient/love can wait. It's passion that's impatient and demanding - not love.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Earthmother- But Jordan has gone around naked. She even showed Kevin her boobs? And goes in the hottub in her underwear every night? Why is that ok and respectful but kissing isn't? That makes no sense at all.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree than Mary. I'd be horrified if my daughter were to go on a TV show and have sex in front of a national audience. She'd have some 'splaining to do for sure.

ETA: I'd feel the same if any of my son's were involved too.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I am very liberal. But again, if I wanted to watch "sex on tv or at least makeout sessions" I would rent porn. I don't watch BB to wait for the hookups. Nor do I go looking for the hookups on YouTube afterwards.

With regards to walking around with little or no clothes on, there is a HUGE difference between being comfortable in your body, and having sex on national TV. HUGE. I'm totally fine with my body, and would not worry about it. But you wouldn't ever catch me having sex with someone on national TV. That's something that is very personal and no one's business.

Oh, btw, I don't make it a habit to go rent porn either. And I do kiss my friends -- male and female -- on the lips.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Mary, there is a difference in showing a gay man your boobs than having sex or make out sessions with a guy you barely know. She has kissed him, she just hasn't taken it too far and I respect her decision. It is her decision as you said. I think it makes perfect sense. Do you think all strippers (make a living naked) have sex with every man they meet? I have a friend who is a stripper and she does it because she makes really good money. Being immodest does not mean that you have sex or fall in love with every guy you meet.

Women who don't have boundaries are easily fooled.

Kitkat
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08-23-2008

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitkat a private message Print Post    
Costacat said:
"If I wanted to watch people having sex, I'd go rent some porn.

There is nothing wrong with kissing, but I think it's wrong to expect a hot and heavy makeout session when someone is just kissing. Not EVERY kiss leads to sex and to imply that it does or that it should is wrong.

What they do or don't do in the house could be the basis for a relationship in the future. And personally, I think it's their own personal business."



I totally agree! There is a time and place and national TV is NOT the place for out and out sex. What they do in privacy is their business, not ours. For all we know, J and J may have an agreement not to go further that innocent kisses.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Earthmother, you keep saying she has a lot of respect for herself, and I'm with you to the point that she's abstaining from having sex or heavy makeout sessions on tv for all the world to see.

However, her other behaviour is questionable. The obsession with farting and pooping is very juvenile, and I don't see it as simple bonding with the men. It's one thing to laugh when a guy farts or even let out a big belch when hanging with the guys, but it's another to be so interested about these things that she talks about them all. the. time. And there's no need for bonding with Jeff - that's done.

It's not bonding or a one-time joke - it's a bizarre obsession IMO. It's unladylike, it's silly, and it's childish.

Combine that with her childlike reaction to Jeff's advances, and her naivete about so many basic things, and I have to conclude that this girl is somehow developmentally challenged, either by birth or by upbringing.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
She's not there to be ladylike. She's there to bond with who she can. She doesn't care for most of the women in that house and personally I don't blame her. IMO she was smart enough to play this game with Jeff and she's smart enough to know if the poop and fart stuff bothers him. He doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Having sons I can attest to the fact that the best relationships they've had is with girls who can get as grody as they can. The worst relationships they've had are the ones who get all offended at that kind of talk.

Mary1971
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07-28-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mary1971 a private message Print Post    
Aurora- I guess we will agree to disagree. If my daughter had sex on TV I would have no problem with it. Again, she's her own person and its her decision not mine so it has nothing to do with me. I don't control her. She's not an object I own. She makes her own decisions.
My point about Jordan showing people her boobs is she said she's not doing "bugger" on TV because her grandpa is very conservative. If that were true I don't think he would approve of her showing her boobs on tV. That's why I think her saying she doesn't want to show "bugger" on tv because of her family is just BS.
Also, there is NOTHING wrong with watching porn. I watch it and think its great. I do watch BB for the hookups and thousands of pople do too and theres nothing wrong with that. I would much rather see the hookups than the backstabbing and lying. That stuff will rot your brain for sure. LOL
My main point noone is getting at all. Is that why is she kissing Jeff and rubbing him yet she insists they are "just friends" Its insulting to him and unfair.

Aurora
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11-24-2006

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aurora a private message Print Post    
Oh, btw, I don't make it a habit to go rent porn either. And I do kiss my friends -- male and female -- on the lips.

As do I, Costa.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
Speaking as a mother of two sons, I would welcome Jordan into my family based on her ability to play this game without losing her dignity. I would warn my son about a gal like Lydia who has to use sex to get what she wants. They may be playing a game but their methods say a lot to me.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
But Earthmother, there's a big difference between private conversation between people who are comfortable with one another, and presenting yourself this way for the entire world to see.

Lillian
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07-29-2009

Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lillian a private message Print Post    
Because we posted at the same time - IMO, women who behave like she has are absolutely NOT dignified.