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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 7:21 pm
What??? Okay, if Jeff needs new alliance.... Being able to bring in Jordan to any new alliance will only make Jeff's offer wayyyyy more valuable!
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 4:28 am
"But he won't be able to make F8 or F7 if he doesn't start winning some HOH or POV, or if his ally Jordan doesn't start winning as well." I don't agree. Dr Will never won an HOH/POV his entire first season, and he was on the block more than any other HG that year...and he won in the end. While I don't equate Jeff with Dr Will, I do think Jordan's game is a bit closer in game play to Will's. (although prolly not on purpose ) Like Dr. Will, no one in the house really knows the "real" Jordan. They all see her as one thing and do not give her any credit beyond what Jeff is thinking. Their scope of Jordan is very narrow, which was also true of how the other HG's saw Dr Will in his first year. Also like Dr. Will, Jordan is great at being able to read the others, even Jeff has commented on this ability. Jordan is very honest with the other HG's...they do not see any guile in her...they do not think she is capable of manipulating anyone. Dr. Will was great at making everyone THINK he was being honest...even tho he told them everything he will say is a lie (therein lies his brillance) Dr Will was targeted a lot...but was never seen as a real threat by anyone... I don't think anyone in this house see's Jordan as a threat... she may be targeted...but I think there will always be bigger fish to fry when/if she is on the block. Just the way I see it...
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 4:47 am
I was just pointing out to a friend how a person needs to have one solid partner/ally in the game that they can trust. I don't think anyone can play BB alone. They are allies, everyone knows it, it would accomplish nothing for them to split up, IMO.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 4:51 am
Comparing Jordan with Dr Will??? Ya gotta be kidding. As for people not knowing Jordan - I disagree, she's about as open a book as they come. I think J/J fans would like to believe there's more there, but I don't think there is.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 5:02 am
nope not kidding... and I said her gameplay was similar...and not on purpose... I noticed she is in a similar position as Dr Will was...I never said she orchastrated herself into it like Dr Will did... Even "open book" personalities have pages that are unread by many...and tend to be judged by their covers...
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Akwarlord47
Member
06-26-2007
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 5:05 am
Jeff's decision to bring Jordon along is his choice. She has said on several occasions that he should make his decisions based on what is good for him and not worry about her. Jeff is the one that is "Carrying" Jordon, not by her request. I do believe that their friendship is true and they will remain friends outside of this game (maybe not romance but friends..)
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Marksman
Member
05-04-2007
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:07 am
Can't dump her until after he seals the deal or the day before Valentine's day. What kind of man would he be otherwise?
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Stopthemadness
Member
07-15-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:24 am
NO

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Toolhound
Member
06-22-2007
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:35 am
Here are the threads you have started lately What555456 : "It's Time For Jeff To Dump Jordan" "Jeff Is Better Off Not Using The Power -- He Loses Too Much" "Not Sure Jeff Will Hold Out" HMMMmmmm.For or against Jeff????????
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:49 am
Neither, Toolhound. Jeff is simply the main focus of discussion this week. I don't think you will find anything I have said in any of those threads as strongly anti or pro Jeff. Just discussing his options and what he might do. It is discussing strategy that I like and each of those deal with strategy.
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 8:52 am
The reality for us as "reality tv watchers" is that the reason we like Jeff and not Jesse is that he is trying to play the game with some integrety whereas Jesse is all about himself at any and anyones cost. I believe that the Jeff we see is pretty much what he is in life. I think they will stay true to each other.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:02 am
Cmist, it is worth noting that not everyone hates Jessie and not everyone loves Jeff - you're only talking about the people who feel passionately enough one way or the other to express it. I think a large portion of viewers fall into the middle.
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:27 am
I don't fall in the middle. I love me some Jeff! Also, think Jordan is waaaay deeper than people give her credit for....that is a good thing. Jeff said a couple of days ago that he thought that after the next two evictions, she should probably "go solo." It is a good plan to get the targets off their backs. Solo could mean a fake breakup.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:29 am
If Jeff dumps Jordan we would never know his true thoughts about the game and other hgs. They are an asset to each other and when you have 100% trust in someone in this game, that's something you should never give up willingly.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:30 am
I don't think Jeff needs to dump Jordan, but he does need to form some other relationships or he will never get the votes in the end.
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Archiecat
Member
08-16-2006
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:31 am
Chere, If they faked a breakup, we might see storage room discussions. Remember how Dan and Memphis kept us guessing their real motivations with Memphis' fake alliance with Jerry. It worked.
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Christiii
Member
07-07-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:31 am
Why on earth would he dump Jordan?? She is his true partner in the game, and will not go against him. Everyone else in the house right now will....
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:46 am
I think J/J fans would like to believe there's more there, but I don't think there is. Agree
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:49 am
In my post above I never mention that everyone hates Jesse and/or that ever loves Jeff. In fact I don't hate Jesse or love Jeff. My post was simply a comparison of the two as I and others percieve them in the context of this reality show laced with my perception of how that relates to what Jeff may be like in "real life". That being said in my opinion "informed" viewers will most likely favor Jeff's personality over that of Jesse.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:59 am
I think it's pushing it to assume that "informed" viewers will think one way or another. I think the general public certainly prefers Jeff's personality (even before the CDE), but I think students of the game often look for different things in players. From what I've seen over the years, many hardcore fans actually prefer more complex personalities and playing styles - the kind that can't necessarily be categorized easily - because it makes for more interesting enjoyment from here in the bleachers.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:06 am
I agree that J/J have to make connections with other hgs, but I think everyone knows their bond is strong and aligning with them means being third wheel. I think everyone in the house is willing to work with one of the Js as long as the other J is out of the house. If Jordan happens to be evicted before Jeff, he's gonna have his pick of allies to choose from because he'd be a great partner to have to the end- he's loyal and a comp threat- in other words, Jeff is everything Russell and Jessie wish they could be in this game.
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Cmist
Member
09-20-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:35 am
Chere, Your words are so true when you say that Jesse and Russ wish they could be like Jeff. I have noticed this especially recently with Jesse when he has been interacting more with Jeff. You can almost see his amazement when he talks with or about Jeff. I actually believe that deep down most of the house guests like both Jeff and Jordon but understandably fear them at the same time. Outside the house I see them all wanting to be friends with both Jeff and Jordon. I really don't see Jeff or Jordon making it to final 2 unless they find a way to be a little more cut throat.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:47 am
Really? I don't see that. Michele yes, but while Chima is not after them, I don't see her wanting to be friends with them either. Has she made any effort to talk to them at all? I do believe Jessie had hoped that he'd have an easy connection to Jeff as one of the guys, but I don't think that translates to wanting to be like him. Kevin and Lydia have had every chance to align with Jeff and Jordan, but they have chosen to go the other way. It might just be a temporary move to go where they think the power is, but Kevin has made far better connections to Chima and Russell (on and off) than Jeff or Jordan. Jeff was pretty much shunned by everyone who's still in the house except Jordan for the first few weeks - Jeff has expressed that repeatedly himself - so what do you think has turned it so that everyone wants to be their friends outside the house?
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:00 am
Chima said recently that Jeff never wants to talk game with her. He has no game per Chima. I took that to mean she has tried. I know Jesse has been trying to talk with Jeff with little result. Jeff ain't buying what they're selling. Can't say I blame him but Jordan is smarter being less obvious about her distrust with others.
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 2:53 pm
Why would Jeff dump Jordan when the entire house is just waiting for him to go so they can to take her to the final 2 themselves. I've heard most of them tell each other that they would never want to go to the end with Jordan because she would win. Really? Not one of them would vote for Jordan to win at this point, they all BSing each other.
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