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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 3:15 pm
Since the HG's do not know what Jeff can do, Kevin has to assume that Lydia will be there for the voting. With as close as they have been, I would be surprised if Kevin wants Lydia gone. But it sounds as if does not plan to use the veto to take her off the block. I can't believe he would do something that stupid. Doesn't he know that the only way to be safe is to be safe. That no one is safe just because you think everyone will vote one way or the other on eviction? I am wondering if Kevin is tired of seeing Lydia debase herself with Jessie and really wants her gone. One would think these people would remember Marcellus!
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Donnagg
Member
08-11-2007
| Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 3:38 pm
Maybe the real reason he's not using it is because only the HOH and veto holder are safe from eviction this week.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 4:36 pm
Are you saying that if Kevin uses the POV, he will no longer be safe? I thought that simply winning the POV made him safe, whether he uses it or not. Didn't Julie say that "winning HOH and the POV" are the only things that keep you safe this week? I don't remember her qualifying that statement by saying the POV would only be safe if the POV is not used.
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Stray_cat
Member
06-21-2006
| Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 4:38 pm
Yeah I was wondering about that too... POV winner... or POV "holder"?
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Caprica
Member
02-10-2007
| Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 4:43 pm
Only the HOH and the Veto holder not winner are safe. Kevin has a good reason to not use the Veto.
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Donnagg
Member
08-11-2007
| Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 4:45 pm
Maybe I'm wrong. But would the houseguests know this? And with this bunch would they think to ask?
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 4:51 pm
Veto holder. But that's what we know from Julie's statement. When she talked to them, she only mentioned the importance of winning the HOH and power of Veto. There's too much room to wiggle. It probably is written down some where. But it's strongly possible that, AG/BB is leaving themselves room for creative production. ;)
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Darclyte
Member
07-11-2005
| Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 9:00 pm
Veto holder and veto winner are one and the same. The veto holder/winner does NOT "give" the Veto to a nominee to take them off the block, they USE it to remove them. Whether they use it or not, at the end of the veto ceremony they put the veto back into the box and close the lid. They are STILL the "veto holder" until the new HOH is crowned. So if Kevin uses it or not, he is STILL safe. The other HGs may try to speculate and try to convince him otherwise, but just as Jeff can't put Chima on the block once he overthrows her and becomes the de facto HOH, he also can't put up Kevin. Essentially, the only 4 people that Jeff can choose from are Jordan, Michele, Jessie and Natalie. He won't put up Jordan, and probably would put both Jessie & Natalie up if he's smart.
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Donnagg
Member
08-11-2007
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 4:05 am
But the question is does Kevin know that he would be safe using it? Only Jeff has benn told what it is and the rules concerning it, the others are only guessing.
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Chief
Member
08-09-2009
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 5:29 am
Well, from going through the live feed info, it seems Kevin wants Lydia to stay. He had a long talk with Chima in HOH room, and subsequently invited Lydia to join the conversation. Lydia seemed (at that time) to think Chima et al wanted her out, but was reassured by Chima that it wasn't true. They had a really good talk. Kevin confided in Chima about his concerns about Lydia's actions, which Kevin obviously disagrees with. He said he can't get through to Lydia about how she's putting herself in harms way (regarding throwing herself at the men in the house). For that reason, Kevin has made it known that he would never vote her out, but makes it clear that he wants the rest of the house to view him as an individual playing a different game than Lydia. He is still her BFF.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 5:31 am
I had the impression that Kevin is not using it because he wants to ingratiate himself to Chima, because that side of the house has the numbers at the moment. Chima doesn't want it used, because it would force her to alienate a third HG in nominating them. She can't nom Jessie or Natalie, she doesn't want to nom Kevin, so that only leaves Jeff and Jordan. While she is not aligned with them, she does fear the CDE. Most seem to assume that Jeff has it, so the thinking is that if they don't tick him off, he won't use it. IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF CBS WOULD CLARIFY THE RULES ONCE AND FOR ALL.
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Tresbien
Member
08-27-2002
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 5:42 am
Didn't she say at one point that if someone came off the block she might put up Michele? Feel pretty sure I heard that. Didn't seem like Lydia is the target so can understand Kevin not wanting to alienate Chima by using the veto to take her off.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 5:51 am
She did say that she might put up Michele, and she's mentioned other names too. She just doesn't want to have to do that. She likes Michele.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:32 am
It still seems to me that Kevin is not as firmly in Lydia's corner as one might think. Up until now, I have thought of Kevin and Lydia as having each other's back through thick and thin until they had to make a break. But the fact Kevin is more concerned with placating Chima or for some other reason tells me that Kevin's support for Lydia is very fleeting indeed. In this game, one does not gamble by keeping a close ally on the block when one can get her off.
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Tissy
Member
07-28-2003
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:59 am
If Kevin was firmly in Lydia`s corner surely he`d use the veto to save her? Being a pawn is never a guarantee to stay. Then again I think Lydia changes corners so much Kevin isnt guaranteed her loyalty either.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:11 am
Remember, the only HG knowing the whole detail about the power of the Wizrad is Jeff! Kevin as well as all the other HGs just knows what Julie said to them on the Live Show: ... this HOH and up-coming pov would be the most important comp so far! ... Since they don't have enough info on that, their only choice is to play according to the rules they know. I won't even blame Kevin at all if he would to cut the loss with Lydia right now. Lydia has been slowing him down! Her heart is not in the game. If we thought J&J were naive to the BB Game, Lydia doesn't even know 1/10 of what they do. Remember how Kevin had to explain things to her again and again??
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 9:22 am
I also wonder if Kevin wants to prove to everyone else that he and Lydia are not one unit. He's said as much, and as the game goes on, he's seeing that Lydia might be more of a liability than an ally, with her volatility, the ease with which others influence her, and her apparent lack of commitment to the game. He might also be serving notice to Lydia - start playing and don't take my support for granted. He might even use it after all - just make her think about it for a few days first.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:56 pm
Lillian, I don't think Kevin is that much of a strategic. He is saying nothing with his decision to not save Lydia other than he does not have the courage and strength to buck Chima. To me, Kevin has added virtually nothing of interest to this year's game, other than being the token, stereotypical homosexual.
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Gurliegirl
Member
06-20-2006
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:58 pm
Looks like he didn't use it according to the IHH thread.
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Gurliegirl
Member
06-20-2006
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:59 pm
But What, he hasn't even been very stereotypical. He's kind of been a non-player. Even his arms aren't in the game most of the time.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 1:05 pm
LMAO!
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Chief
Member
08-09-2009
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 1:26 pm
Tissy, I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. Kevin was 100% with Lydia before he found out that Lydia had thrown him under the bus to a previous HOH right before nominations. He confronted her and she didn't deny it. Although he was bothered that she would do that to him, he is now resolved to letting it go as water under the bridge because Lydia is his only friend in the house. He'd rather keep her than have no friends. This may just simmer for a little while until Kevin really needs to act on it.
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What555456
Member
06-14-2005
| Monday, August 10, 2009 - 2:17 pm
Gurliegirl -- True enough about his arms. I have been wondering about that, myself. I live in SoCA about 30 miles from the house as the crow flies. We have had some pretty warm weather here. How the heck is he able to wear that hoodie all day long and keep his arms in it without getting heat stroke! I thought the same thing last week when Nat was wrapped in a blanket so much. Heck, it was in the high 90's here and humid (at least for us!) and she's wrapped in a blanket!
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