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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:07 am
I too question Kevin's vote. If Natalie's gone, then it moves him one up on Chima's totem pole, and Jessie's too for that matter. If Jessie manages to stay, he will be very grateful to those who made it happen. And, depending on some of those whispered conversations, he may actually decide to help Lydia out by eliminating her rival, and he may see it as a way to make it up to her for not using the veto. I also question Russ - sure he think Natalie's an angel, but he doesn't seem too interested in aligning with her or playing the game with her. I think he'd much prefer to play it out among the men. He might also see an opportunity to stick it to Chima by taking out the person who would be her #2 should Jessie leave. Even Lydia could go against what we'd expect - maybe she'll vote out Jessie because she's tired of his games with her, or because she'd like him sitting in the jury house, without Natalie, waiting for her.
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:12 am
do we know for sure he will remove both nominees? He could just remove russell and put up jesse
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:15 am
yes he told Michelle last night (it was reported in the screencap section of this board, ty by the way to that poster) that if he had the power he'd use it.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:21 am
Dfennessey, when I saw that Jeff was trashing Lydia last night, I wondered the same thing. I think he really does want Jessie out, so it might depend on how he thinks the numbers would shake down with Jessie vs Lydia, or Natalie, or someone else for that matter. He also has to carefully consider the effect of taking down/putting up each person.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:21 am
Also, Russ has been worried about the Girl power. He might just want Nat out first! But again, either way, as long as the power is used and the triangle is broken, I'm good. Jeff will feel good to be able to change the game up, be the Knight for the girl and do what he thinks America wants him to do! After all, he has complained about not having any power for the first few weeks. He knows we heard him. Or at least DR told him by now. He's so new to this game, some times we forget. 
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:30 am
Jeff could always tell Jesse (if he stays in the game) the reason why he wanted Natalie out is so he could get his mind in the game.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:35 am
Dfennessey, I don't think Jeff will think of that, but I do think Russell will. Russell may very well see getting rid of Natalie as a way to rebuild his relationship with Jessie. Even if Russell sticks with Jeff, he knows he's #3 - with a post-Natalie Jessie, he could be #2 or even #1.
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:37 am
The other thing to think about is that the HGs will have very little time to think about this, and won't have much more than an eye contact opportunity to review the options with each other. Even if they have imagined a Jessie vs Natalie scenario, they haven't taken it seriously enough to consider it. Other than Jeff, they all seem to be waiting to see what happens. Thus, we have to consider what the knee jerk reactions will be - which are often the most emotional rather than strategic.
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Bigbrotherrocs
Member
09-17-2005
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:11 am
I think Russell will be so grateful to Jeff for taking him off he will vote out Jesse knowing that is who Jeff wants out.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:20 am
All big risks come with dangers. Sure to use it is a danger. But since the house has the upcoming "pecking order" lined up to be Jeff, Jordan and Kevin, I say using the Coup is WELL worth the potential reward. I think the late night convo inside then outside w/Jeff and Jordan was MOST telling. (if you want to FB and see it yourself times are posted in the J/J Fan threads YAY). I also couldn't hear the vast majority of what was said inside, but outside Jeff did a great and I feel very accurate job of detailing how the house of cards would fall if Jesse was to leave. So sure there are risks, but if Jeff wants any shot to stay past a week or two, I think he MUST roll the dice and use it this week. And then if he or Jordan get HoH next week they are in a GREAT spot. If anyone but Chima, Nat, and maybe Lydia get it, they are in a really good spot w/a lot of ammunition Jeff is willing to use. I say the pro's vastly outweigh the cons at this point assuming Jeff is playing to win. And he is!
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:34 am
Lurk, Chima can't play for the next HOH, Nat is the only one we have to worry about... Everyone should know to vote Jessie out---if he stays, the BY crew KNOW that Lydia would swoop in to take Nat's spot next to Jessie, AND she'd bring Kevin with her. He would not want to be there, but he'd go with her. That would give them a solid 4 team, and Michele/Russ could gravitate to them IF the NBK got HOH. I would hope Russ stays loyal to Jeff for saving him, but you never know! If Jess leaves, I think the NBK will consist if Chima/Nat... not such a formidable team.
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:36 am
I think they should evict Jesse. I think Natalie will be easier to get rid of once Jesse is gone
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:42 am
Calimom, from what I've seen in the past few days, I think K/L consider themselves to be in Chima's camp now, so it will make little difference if Jessie or Natalie leaves. They also believe Michele is with them, so that 5 to 3 (in their minds).
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:50 am
If Jesse goes and Russell is left in the house I'm going to be glued to the feeds and needing an IV drip LOL Chima will be livid with Jeff but quickly Russell will rub it in her face and threaten her deflecting her anger back onto Russ. Natalie and Lydia won't have Jesse to glue them together and Natalie will likely remain with Chima and Kevin. Kevin may finally dump Lydia who will decide to try and seduce Russ and/or Jeff. Jeff and Jordan will step up their game and cool their romance. Michelle will team up with Chima. This is what I'm guessing. I'm assuming these reactions and feeling 100% Jeff will use the power. This show is getting very very good and I'm excited to see NBK self destruct. Nothing like watching a pack of sharks lose their food source and begin feeding on themselves.
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:09 am
I think the power shift ALL hinges on whomever wins HOH. EVERY week they say something about "the most important HOH EVER...etc" but this week it is actually TRUE... As long as Nat does not win, it will be VERY interesting! Go Jeff/Jordan!
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:14 am
I hope that Jeff or Jordan win HOH that would be perfect
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Lillian
Member
07-29-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:20 am
If Jeff, Jordan or Natalie win, it will be somewhat predictable. What would be really fun is for someone like Lydia to win - who knows what would happen!
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Calimom3
Member
07-12-2007
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:26 am
Lydia has been saying she'd put up Nat, but I bet she won't send Nat to Jessie, they'd be ALONE in the Jury House... She'd put up Jordan/Michele/Russell
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:27 am
Ohhh now my mind is whirling on a Lydia HOH lol
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:53 am
Hopefully if Lydia wins HOH, she will remember that Chima put her on the block and Jeff took her off. That should count for something.
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Mary1971
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:59 am
If Russell, Lydia, Jeff or Jordan win HOH I believe J/J will be safe. Michelle is probably a safe bet too as well as Kevin but not sure. Chima can't play for HOH. I really want Jeff to win it!! We just can't have Natalie win. That would be horrible!
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Shenanagon
Member
07-28-2009
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 12:14 pm
Kevin said last night if he were HOH he'd put up Jeff. Kevin said it without skipping a beat.
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Gumby
Member
08-14-2004
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 12:31 pm
If Jeff uses CDT to take out Jesse, the HG's would be smart to take Jeff to the end. Most of the jury would be made up of Jesse's people and they probably won't vote for Jeff to win.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 1:11 pm
Hopefully Jesse goes before Nat because she will be a moot point once he is gone. It's my opinion that Chima only tolerates her to maintain Jesse on her side. I don't see Chima, or anyone else in the house for that matter, being able to handle Natalie yapping around their ankles like she does to Jesse. Nat will then flip out and become a worse terror then Russell. 
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 1:19 pm
I say Natalie tries to walk out the door with Jesse because she will not know what else to do
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