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Kappy
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06-29-2002

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Well, gee, I guess we really can't demonize the guy any more, can we? Next!!



Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I think the problem was he was TOO much of a BB fan- he's watched the feeds and the TV shows for 4 years, so he probably thought he knew how to play the game. Heck, we all have an idea how to play the game from the outside- but a lot of us would have no freaking clue how to play the game from the inside of that at-times insane asylum.

He played it wrong, told too many lies to too many people, and unless Chima or Michelle win HOH or he wins POV next week, he's gone. I don't even think Jessie will protect him now.

Steviegirl
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07-07-2005

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Steviegirl a private message Print Post    
I agree, it doesn't matter how much you watch BB - the game changes every time because the personalities change. One year it might work to be a "floater", the next the floaters are the first ones targeted.

And it's easier to think we'd know what to do, because we're watching every conversation and we know everyone's move in the game from the outside.

Inside is a whole different game!

I wouldn't want to play it, I prefer watching. :-)

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 11:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
I agree Steviegirl. I have wondered if certain people would have won or lost if they were in a different house. And it is fine to have a preferred game plan but you should also have plan B and plan C.

Mindeegap
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07-20-2009

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mindeegap a private message Print Post    
Ronnie just bought everyone else in the house another week. Even the ones that were working with him are on board to trash him because they know it gives them another week to play with him for sure going up on the block next.
He played too much too soon and if he or they, were really smart, they would be playing that way to assure he be kept to the end because everyone has a grudge now and wouldn't give him their vote in the end, giving him a chance still at some money, however, I really don't think he or even they, are that smart and have that thought of yet.
Even though I tend to have pity for the underdog, I just can't feel sorry for him because he was just becoming vicious with his lies.

Justin42
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08-05-2001

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justin42 a private message Print Post    
What amazes me is how the "biggest fans" of BB or the "smartest players ever" always make the *dumbest* moves. You don't brag about how much you've seen the show-- that'll terrify the majority of the house that the casting directors probably snagged at a bar the weekend before they went into sequester and they'll want you out IMMEDIATELY thinking you "get" something about they game they don't.

If you're a huge fan of the show-- go in and say "yeah, I've seen it here and there, haven't really followed it, though..." You don't say "I've made Big Brother my LIFE for YEARS and I've bought the feeds and chatted about it online and psychoanalyzed every season's housemates and I WILL DOMINATE YOU!"

You'd think someone who's watched the show would have seen this happen EVERY SINGLE YEAR-- biggest fan goes home. Early.

I think something we forget as fans is that we have nearly "perfect" access to information-- we see all sorts of conversations, we can research into these people's lives (scary), we see diary rooms, etc. When you're in the house, you only know what you see-- which I think is Ronnie's downfall. He's trying to be everywhere at once to see what you'd see on the feeds which he CAN'T do without driving everyone nuts. He's trying to play the game as if he's just at home watching the show and is proving completely incapable of coming remotely close.

Plus, like has been mentioned-- so much depends on who you're in the house with. You can't go in with a single, unchangable gameplan. There are too many variables depending on who you're in the house with.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Excellent points, Justin about us having full access, where a houseguest would not.

I think another huge problem is that Ronnie didn't have a one-on-one alliance like Will/Boogie, Danni/Jason, Dan/Memphis.

Lying in BB is part of the game, but you must have at least ONE person that you trust, and who trusts you.

Ronnie had no one, and now, due to his actions, will never have a true alliance.

Oliviamimi
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05-30-2009

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oliviamimi a private message Print Post    
I don't think Ronnie's physical, or lack of physical attributes have much to do with how much America and his other housemates dislike him. Sure he is not as handsome as the others but the fact of the matter is he is a weasel. No one likes a weasel.
I can think of other houseguests that to me weren't any better looking than Ronnie but they didn't have that weasel factor going. Ah well.
I just wish I could feel sorry for him.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
It was just last season that Brian went in and tried to make alliances with everyone, and he ended up going home first. Most of the alliances that last (i.e. the Friendship and the Sovereign 6) aren't formed in the first week. People get to know each other better before they commit. The Four Horsemen tried it, and while two of them made it to the end, it wasn't because of that alliance - it was because Drew flipped to the other side. Mike and Nick went home early in Season 8 because of the early alliance with Kail. Ronnie should have known all this and not tried so hard to be a mastermind - even Dr. Will didn't go in guns blazing! I couldn't believe it when his wife said his game plan was to win HOH week 2. Unless there's a target on your back, that's way too early to want to be HOH - you pretty much have to declare a side at that point (which Ronnie did, which led to his downfall).

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Dr Will was a much smarter player than Ronnie.

Ronnie thought winning HOH was a good move. Dr Will KNEW you shouldn't win anything...that way you are never blamed for people leaving, and you are not seen as a threat.

Dr Will threw every competition... that was a big part of his success....

Ronnie should have paid closer attention...being a fan an all...

Chy
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07-19-2003

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Knowing Ronnie, he's probably into making a win with his own method.

I was interested to see his plan unfolding. But Justin is right. He thought he was at home by the feeds. Ron tried to know every thing and control every HG's train of thoughts. He wanted all the other HGs to worship his play and follow his plan. When they didn't care for his plan, he wanted to either change their minds or learn ALL about their options.

It didn't work. Simple as that.

Justalittlebean
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08-15-2003

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justalittlebean a private message Print Post    
Not sure if someone has already posted this.

http://tinyurl.com/ogf2ze

An interview today with Ronnie's wife. I love the first question:

Q - Is Ronnie really a teacher?

Michelle - Ronnie is a teacher. He doesn’t have a class yet but he teaches. He directed a play this past spring at the high school.

That's like saying I'm a millionaire but I just don't have the money yet.



Chy
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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Thanks for that, Bean!

So, what is his real day job?

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
The one good thing I can say about Ronnie is his wife is Very Pretty! Delusional but pretty (she married him) (guess she see's a dif side of Ronnie) WINK

Nick
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07-31-2004

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 9:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
their wedding picture is really nice too..

Lyn
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08-07-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lyn a private message Print Post    
As a BB player he's terrible...as a person I expect he's nice enough

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Russell, of all people, is on a path that is going to bring Ronnie back into the game. Russell's cruel taunting is already bringing out the sympathy factor in others. While Ronnie himself could never have any real power again in the house, he'll be extremely useful as a puppet (thank God he likes them!) and Jesse and Lydia will be more then willing to use him.

Kappy
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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Chy ~ I, too, have wondered what his actual day job is.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Kappy, you make a good point there about Russell.

Someone should mention to him that all his bullying is creating sympathy for Ronnie, and will keep him in the game longer.

I'm wondering if that's what Ronnie is going for, allowing Russell to taunt him to get sympathy.

Or...he could be playing for 'most hated, no one will vote for me in the end' game so that someone will take him to F2.

Kappy
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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Rose, you make a good point as to how Ronnie may be thinking now although I don't think he could come up with a plan intentionally like that. I think he really wanted to be the most "liked and successful" player of all time. The DR might be helping him to see how to spin this in the way you mention.

Costacat
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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
If Russell continues to taunt Ronnie, that will only give Ronnie an additional week in the house. Both of them will have targets on their backs, yes?

Joseph
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07-22-2009

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joseph a private message Print Post    
I don't think Ronnie is orchestrating sympathy. I think he is genuinely intimidated by Russell, as is most of the house.

As to why Russell is taunting him mercilessly and now trying to bring him to his side could be a prison psychology angle. Treat Ronnie the worst, break him down and then offer him protection when he's at his lowest to insure his loyalty.

Am I giving Russell too much credit?

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 5:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Okay, here's an article about Ronnie...the most interesting thing is it says that Ronnie graduates from college this year (and it's dated July 9th)

http://www.ohio.edu/outlook/08-09/July/737.cfm

Tresbien
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08-27-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tresbien a private message Print Post    
Joseph, that's a very interesting theory, and I think it has a good deal of merit. Even if Russell hasn't thought it through as you explained it, it does seem possible that he decided that he could use Ronnie for numbers for awhile. A saved hamster could be a very loyal hamster for sure. Good thinking! Also, a move like that would keep things chaotic as they're all expecting an easy week ahead.

Wonder how much gear shifting Ronnie's done by himself in the HOH. Do you think he expected someone to come to him with a plan?

Yesitsme
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 6:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yesitsme a private message Print Post    
The best players of the game have usually been those who were low key about playing the game. Will was great, but played a risky game that most people couldn't pull off. I think the best "everyman" player was Drew. He probably kept the best strategy throughout the game, but also knew the game was fluid and changed direction as necessary. He was one who you could barely detect he was playing the game, but he had prepared and was playing hard.

I think Ronnie's video game love almost works against him. I am not sure that he really reads people well. But he could hang in there with a bit of luck! The great thing about the game is other people screwin up can work to your benefit.

Costacat
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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Keldogg, I also found this bit interesting:

quote:

"He plans to be very strategic in his approach," said Dan West, the John A. Cassese Director of Forensics. "We talked about the strategy. He analyzed the last 10 seasons of the show, and looked at what works and what doesn't. He found that people have a lot of problems when they take things personally."


Again, while you can analyze until your eyes fall out of your head, every situation is going to be different because the dynamics of the house are different.

And I have to say, I think his nomination of Jordan is totally emotional. If Ronnie really was playing the game to win, he should have nominated Russell as the replacement nominee. Ronnie is like a fly buzzing around the Jessie/Russell/Natalie triumvirate, and they'll swat him out of the way once they no longer need his vote. I think he's let his ego get to his head because he thinks they really like him. For the first time in his life, he's being accepted and wanted by the "cool kids." But he's not seeing how he's being used by those "cool kids."

As far as Russell, I think Russell is just a bully, period. He's a short man and he's got a complex about that. I've not seen his workouts, but from what I've seen of him, his upper body doesn't match his lower body (meaning he works out to intentionally bulk up his upper body and forgets about his legs -- while I can't stand Jessie's body, at least it's pretty evenly bulked). Russell reminds me of other small men I've known... they do whatever they can to make themselves bigger.

Joseph
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07-22-2009

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 7:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joseph a private message Print Post    
Tresbien, I don't think he was expecting. More like hoping someone would come with an olive branch. Ronnie is a defeated man. Both as a player and as a person. He literally has nothing left and no game to play. Russell can sense this and, as all bullies will do, he pounces on the weak. This was apparent with the bottle opener incident.

Russell also believes his biggest challenger is Jessie. He's said as much this weekend. I think he sees this as an opportunity to backdoor Jessie. Jessie is insulated. He's got Natalie, Lydia and Ronnie. He's got to even the odds somehow and what better way to do it than to pluck one of Jessie's group and get them into his camp. So Russell offers Ronnie an out and Ronnie will be completely receptive to this because of the emotional beating he has taken. He's also scared of Russell and will never try to cross him again. Russell made sure of this by stalking him.

Ronnie becomes an expendable pawn for Russell drawing heat away from himself and giving him an opportunity to backdoor Jessie, which is his ultimate goal. This is also why he's trying to get in with Lydia and Chima. More people on his "team". He's also not being targeted by Jeff and Casey who he's been working as well.

Russell told Laura he had a plan, I just thought he was talking out his rear. We'll see if he can pull it off.

Tresbien
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08-27-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 7:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tresbien a private message Print Post    
Joseph, I absolutely agree with you that Ronnie is a defeated man--for the moment at least. He's also a student of the BB game and has seen that this week's enemy can be next week's forgotten man under the right circumstances. We've seen situations in years past when the HGs decided to take an opportunity to get rid of someone they perceive as strong before someone they perceive as weak. If numbers are needed Ronnie is a number; there's always value in that. Sometimes people have forgotten that to their detriment.

Joseph
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07-22-2009

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Joseph a private message Print Post    
Tresbien, Ronnie just needs to survive this week. If he does that, then he'll be able to survive for awhile as a number. It's just imperative that he keep a low, low, low profile and I just don't know if he's capable of doing that.

Tresbien
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08-27-2002

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tresbien a private message Print Post    
Point well taken, Joseph, and I don't know if he can let the action flow around him for any length of time either. We've only seen his manipulator mode. In a way he reminds me of BB8's Zach who came on too strong and then was ignored or shunned for awhile but made it to F3. I'd kind of like to watch him reinvent himself.

Flagg
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06-01-2005

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Flagg a private message Print Post    
We know Ronnie's day job, World of Warcraft.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 8:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
If Ronnie had spent a little more time alone in his room earlier, he may not have been called out. Instead he had to be everywhere, talking to everyone every second.

Weeto
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07-24-2009

Friday, July 24, 2009 - 6:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weeto a private message Print Post    
Video provided

http://spoiledmom.blogspot.com/2009/07/cbss-big-brother-contestant-ronnie.html

With all of the cyber bullying, internet stalking, and other forms of cyber harassment in the media today, Ronnie Talbot is proud that he falsified a "female identity" in order to harass and mislead a "former friend that pissed him off". In the video, Ronnie continues to chuckle about his "grudge holding" and finds it rather humorous that the male victim of his cyber bullying actually fell for the female "that didn't really exist".