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Govols
Member
07-18-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 5:08 am
I can see Ronnie sitting at a booth and noone stopping at it. He annoys me. Don't like him one teeny bit.
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Katidyd
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 5:11 am
I think Ronnie just played too hard too fast. Of course now he may have played himself into the game long term. If he can stop annoying people, they might want to keep him around and take him to the end because no one would vote for him.
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Freetimefinally
Member
01-26-2006
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 5:15 am
ZI actually see Ronnie getting the whole house mad at him good for him. He'll be put on the block next week. Everyone will say they are voting him out. Some poor individual will have to be put up as a pawn. Half the group will say "why take Ronnie out now? Everyone doesn't like him. Lets take him out next week and backdoor _____." Ronnie will stay. One half will now be mad at the other and Ronnie will be put on the back burner. Getting the entire house mad at you can work to your advantage because it is assumed you can be taken out at anytime.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 5:23 am
it's definitely something could possibly happen.
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Tc99
Member
07-12-2009
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 5:36 am
The only one other thing I can think of is that he is trying to pull a variation of the dr. will or "evel" dick (although it is most often put to use in survivor) ruse: do the most horrible and annoying things early, get people super ticked and get ostracized, but then, when people calm down, during the week he is up, people start thinking end game, and how they would win 7-0 up against him. If he dramatically switches up his behavior in the next couple days so he doesn't do what he's been doing all along, like tagging along and going over game 24/7, lying constantly, etc, then it could be a sign that he's been using a technique all along. If he does switch it up and starts just being humble and defeated, he will get bites from one or both sides thinking that he could be a good sorry sort to ride to the end. He must get people to suspend their disbelief to such an extent that they think he is a completely different person than the jerk they just caught. If these last 2 weeks were an exaggeration, him playing a part, and in fact he is actually charming, and he starts using different mannerisms, his own now, down to the way he walks and the way he talks, people will either forgive him or be suspicious. The essential crux of this strategy is that he must seem sympathetic or harmless at this point, so people don't get the idea that it would be unbearable to have him in the house. If he can overcome that threshold of the fear of his potential annoyance, and greater yet stave off the majority's need for vengance, then he could be a type of out-in-the-open-floater. So, the only way his current game play could be seen as 'strategy', is if he went in attempting to do the most offensive and enraging action the first couple weeks, seeming undisciplined and emotional without being violent, just so that he could tempt people thinking of endgame to bring him along as pawn. This would only work if he could do a masterful performance (he's probably counting on his acting history for this, lol) of playing the defeated and sympathetic tool that won't be mean anymore. Also, if he can be blatantly and shockingly honest from this point forward, all his cards on the table, a who-cares-now-I'm-screwed-already kinda attitude, people might find him refreshing and redeemed. I doubt this is the actual case, but if it were, we would know by wednesday, because he would do his mea culpa and completely reverse his behavior. He would start by telling every single person the lies he told them, put it ALL out there, not expecting anything and accepting his fate, and from that point forward be brutally honest and percise with people, as if he knew how much he hurt them and wants to be forgiven so bad, and moreso not a burden by being annoying. Never underestimate the emapthetic drive, especially when it comes to earnest redeemers, people who show good faith. Forgiveness isn't so far away an emotion from vengance given the right actors and circumstance. Sorry for long posts, been up all night, must be the delirium setting in! ps -- the only evidence I can gather at this point is his lack of emotions at being found out. That was his role and intention so he doesn't take it personally.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 5:54 am
<<GAME OVER>>

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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 7:00 am
I finally watched the You Tubes of Jordan "going off" on Ronnie which was the reason she was put on the block. I can't believe how mild the incident was- I was expecting her to be out of control judging by Ronnie's reaction. She merely spoke the truth in a pretty calm manner. Jordan was like the canary in the coal mine for Ronnie- he should have paid attention instead of getting mad that she wasn't doing what he wanted. People aren't like that Ronnie, they do what they want, not what you want. There aren't fixed rules that they have to follow like there are in a video game! Dr. Will was just as cold and calculating with his game- well except for when Janelle derailed him, lol. The difference was that Will knew how to make people want to do what he wanted- he never bullied anyone because he knew it ultimately wouldn't work! Ronnie behaved like a bully with his HOH. You make good points, Tc99. Let's see what Ronnie does. However, I don't think he has the self control to do what you suggest.
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Steviegirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 7:52 am
Ronnie would have covered himself much longer if he just threw the last HOH. He would have been safe since a teammember would have won, and he could continue his manipulations. He thought he knew this game so well, but he played too hard too soon. Like others have said GAME OVER!
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 7:59 am
Ronnie having the convo with Laura in HOH last night was absolutely unnessecary. (for his own game) It's like he keeps going at it like he was scoring "bonus points" in his "game" - he can't leave well enough alone. A good player knows when to show all the cards and knows when to hold them close.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:16 am
Since we keep comparing Ronnie to ED and Dr. W., I would like to throw this thought out. In life, pretty people get perks that ugly people do not get. Could it be Will and Dick got away with a lot more in the house and with online fans because they were pleasing to look at? And Ronnie is merely annoying and despised because he is not attractive?
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:22 am
Ronnie IS annoying. Dr Will had charisma, and Dick freely admitted his game play to keep his daughter in the game. I liked Dick, although I wouldn't say he was exactly "pretty". Both Will and Dick had some redeeming factors. From the little I've seen, Ronnie doesn't have any. The Athletes are keeping Ronnie close (and under their control) and he doesn't realize it. He helps them to keep a majority, but once he's no longer needed, he'll be tossed aside like a used tissue. He is being used, but his ego is too big to see it. Personally, I think Ronnie thinks he's all that. And he's not.
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Christy358
Member
07-10-2007
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:23 am
Confused here. In what world is Evil Dick pleasing to look at?
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:31 am
Me too - perplexed - Evil Dick - pretty? I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Now, Dr. Will - that's PRETTY!!
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:37 am
"In what world is Evil Dick pleasing to look at?" Ditto to that, Christy. Ronnie's need for fame as ultimate player is his downfall. All he had to do was sit quietly in HOH till Thursday and he might just have made it. As Kevin kept saying, why keep rehashing everything? Because Ronnie likes his drama and can't help but keep stirring what is already cooked to a crisp. There's no way to recover from this until the other negatives implode on themselves which they will. Personally, I would keep Ronnie to go against in final 2 because he could never win now.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:43 am
Dr. Will and ED were whole universes apart. Dick is closer to Ronnie because they both behave like bullies and are extremely self-centred. I think Dick was pretty as a young man, but years of hard living have taken a toll on him. That was his issue with Jen- she found him repulsive and let him know it. Dr Will was not only handsome- he was charming and could be thoughtful to others. Neither Ronnie or Dick have that ability.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:53 am
I'm with the thoughts that, Ronnie is going for the "Most Unforgivable HG" of BB11. Even if he went in wanted to be the best player and all, by now, with his self-proclaimed "smarts", he should recognize the fact that the game is not his to win any more. He strikes me as the sort who would just settle at celebrating his "ability" to flip the house up side down several times.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 8:54 am
Looks are about balance and symmetry. Someone can be not classically good looking, but their symmetry is recognized and pleasing to the human eye. This has been tested with infants. Dick had lovers and haters probably about equal. Will had a lot more lovers. Ron seems to have universally none. There has to be a deeper reason behind this.
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Kidsatm
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 9:03 am
Ronnie's appearance may have something to do with it but I think it is more the difference of playing the game with some sort of human emotion vs not. I hated much of Dick's game play, made me very uncomfortable but Dick never forgot he was playing with people, his feelings for his daughter were evident even when he was pouring tea over Jen's head and screaming obscenities at Zach. He had many real moments of bonding and compassion with other players including Jen and Zach. Ronnie is missing both the compassion and the charm, he is treating this like a video game and the players are just pieces to be manipulated in a strategic manner. I think he may get that if it is in him to but it will probably be too late.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 9:15 am
Actually, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, because I never thought Will was handsome in the least. And I still don't. I prefer Dick.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 9:27 am
I'm with the thoughts that, Ronnie is going for the "Most Unforgivable HG" of BB11. Sheeesh! I meant Most Unforgettable!
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 9:28 am
Ronnie has a very condescending attitude, always acting like everyone else is stupid and he's the smartest one in the room. Which he certainly is not! But he tried 4 times to get on BB, his wife said he watched feeds 24/7 and was a huge fan, and it was his DREAM to be on the show. All of that 'ambition' and he blows it in week 2. That's gotta be pretty hard to take. And I know he deserves to face the consequences. Being stuck in that house with all the people he betrayed with nowhere to go, I can't imagine what that will be like, and I can't help but feel sorry for him.

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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 9:33 am
Scientifically Costa, we react predictable in favor of people with certain facial characteristics. It is not really about beauty though there is a component that we see people with those characteristics as better looking than others. I am just trying to come up with some reasonable explanation as to why Ronnie seems so universally disliked. I cannot remember anything like this on any show I have watched. The villians have always had their fans.
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Chere
Member
08-10-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 9:37 am
Personally, I would keep Ronnie to go against in final 2 because he could never win now. It's too early to be thinking about the end game. Week 2 everyone knows Ronnie is a rat. There's too much time between now and September to keep someone this destructive in the house. If Ronnie did this in week 6 7 or 8 he would have been a perfect F2 goat, but he's marked man now and he doesn't have the charm of Dr. Will to deflect the stink off of him. Ronnie may survive another week or two, but he's pretty much done IMO.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 9:54 am
I agree he's done in the game, Chere, but I also think that he's safe to keep because no one will ever believe him again. I think some of the women would keep him over Russell and then just ignore him.
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Steviegirl
Member
07-07-2005
| Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 10:07 am
Oh yes, the flawed "Keep "xxx" person around because they'd never win". That statement keeps Dr. Will smiling. You can't keep Ronnie around, because someone is going to have to count on him for something in the game, and it's been proven that you can't do that with him. He might purposely screw you up in a competition or you might need his vote and he'll mess that up. He's a liability and a wild card and needs to be thrown out to even the playing field once again. ETA: If they keep him around till the end, then he deserves to win and probably would!
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