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Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
I've been reading a lot of hate for Ronnie and his game, so I thought it was about time we had a thread to talk about it.

Personally, I think he's playing a great game right now, and he certainly shook up the house.

I think all of this dangerous manipulation he's doing will eventually get him booted, but for now he's keeping things interesting.

A lot of the hate comes from the fact that he might target the favorites: Jeff/Jordan/Casey/Laura - they're my favorites, too, and I can't stand the Aths. But the whole idea of BB is to stay in the game, and if he sees the Jeff group as a threat he will nominate them. I don't blame him, he wants to win the money.

I just get the feeling that if Jeff & Co. were playing this way, they would be praised. Why is that?

Thoughts?

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
I agree with you, Rose. I don't much like Ronnie, or his alliance/connection with <93>, but it might serve his purposes. Might...

My post last nite in the live show thread...


quote:

From Ronnie's POV, the vote to evict Braden-

*Chima is in his clique-keep the clique together if possible

*Braden would charm the jury, long term, if he got that far with Ronnie-better to keep Chima

*Ronnie believes his *deep deal* with jessie will carry him farther than being on the fringe of the Pops..

*temporarily, better to keep the house on a knife edge with Aths Vs Pops closely tied rather than have one dominate

Any other way this eviction clearly benefits Ronnie?




Tvclubber
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06-22-2008

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvclubber a private message Print Post    
When he said that he can control Michelle (regarding voting out Chima), I thought: "Maybe, but you can't control yourself."

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Km, - that was YOU?

The threads moved so fast last night that I didn't realize that was your post, but it's what inspired me to try to see the game from Ronnie's POV, so thank you!

I kept thinking, if I was Ronnie, what would I do? When you have no physical power, and the game is split up into clicks, which include Athletes, what's a nerd to do?

Well, a nerd uses his awesome powers of game reasoning to figure out a plan. And he did!

How far it will take him is another story, though.

It sure keeps the house hoppin'!!

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
I don't hate Ronnie or even necessarily his game play, it certainly kept things interesting yesterday. I do think he lacks many social "graces" and is playing this game like he would his computer game, he has taken out much of the human equation and is trying to play strictly logically and that will be his downfall. From a purely selfish standpoint his game play bothers me because it is and has the serious potential of elevating people who do not entertain me and eliminating those that do.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Kids, yep, couldn't agree more with your point about Ronnie missing the human factor. He has an analytical mind, and probably can figure out his statistical odds, but he underestimates the variables.

Like - he could lose all the rest of the HOH's and POV's - or people he's protecting will betray him, and that's gonna hurt.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
My main thing is while Ronnie's strategy is sound (in that situation- I'd probably do much the same thing)- he lacks the subtlety and tact to really make it work. In gamer terms, he's trying to go in guns blazing and frag everyone quickly, when he really needs to find a safe spot and snipe them....

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Wilson - great analogy.

Should we send him a banner?



Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Two questions I have are does he truly think he will not be found out about the vote? And the second if he knows he will be found out did he alienate the side of the house that may potentially forgive him on purpose or accidentally?

Carrly
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09-28-2000

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carrly a private message Print Post    
Kid, I totally agree with you. I don't hate Ronnie, he just gets on my nerves as he is putting one over on the people I want to spend the summer with! I gave Jesse a second chance as he seemed like a nice guy this time. But his alliance with the bullies Russ and Nat disappointed me. I heard that this group decided to call themselves the Natural Born Killers. 'Nuff said.

Delilah
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07-08-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Delilah a private message Print Post    
I was thinking Ronnie missed an opporutnity in the HOH game ... he could have thrown the last question and let Michele win.

He would be safe because she is in his clique, yet he would not have the blood on his hands from a direct nomination.

I guess he was protecting Jessie by winning the game, but who's to say that he couldn't have protected him by influencing Michele or influencing the votes?

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
I agree Ronnie is missing the human factor. In the final analysis, the jury usually votes for the more likable of the two finalists, or whomever they have a closer personal relationship with. Maybe a couple exceptions???

(Not Counting BB1)

Will beat Nicole
Lisa beat Dani (ROBBED)
Jun beat Allyson
Drew beat Cowboy
Maggie beat Ivette (stupid Ivette)
Boogie beat Erika (exception?)
Dick beat Danielle (clear exception/special case)
Adam beats Ryan
Dan beats Memphis

No matter how awesome his gameplay is, he is just not forming the kinds of personal connections the past winners formed....


(Yep...that was me...)

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Yeah, I was getting all verklempt last night when he was insisting to Jeff and Casey that he voted out Chima. Insisted on it. Didn't waver.

All I could think was - half the house knows how Ronnie voted - it WILL come out.

Then, Natalie was screaming at Laura about how THEY have a rat in their group, knowing full well who this rat is.

Ah, ha! The Aths don't want to out the HOH's secret, since their butt would be on the line.

Good thing he won HOH, or I think he'd be done.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Jessie I don't think really likes Russell that much delilah- but he's needed for the numbers right now (plus, Jessie I believe thinks Russell offers him protection because as a bigger physical threat, it might keep the target off of him when someone does go after an Athlete.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Yeah the athletes/offbeats don't *really* like each other...

It should be easy for a master strategist such as Ronnie to exploit that...

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I'm with Wilson..he hss no tact. Picking fights with the people you want to put up might be 'persuavive debating' in Ronnie's world, but in the BB House, it's making him a target. People aren't just going to let it ride like he thinks they will.

Rosem, I agree with your first post that his actions will get him booted, so I just can't see how he's playing a great game. Right now it 'appears' Jessie is playing a better game than Ronnie and Jessie isn't a gamer.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Ok, I just had to repost this here - I was ROTFL!!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 11:38 pm
Ronnie's first tweets.... sigh...

When I get out of the Diary Room I am going straight to my HoH room to play games with my modeling clay!
10 minutes ago from TweetDeck

P.S. I am a rather unpredictable person and I promise if I have my way this house will be upside down before the week is over.
12 minutes ago from TweetDeck

I will end with this - PSHS 4N6 Rules.... we don't just forensicate....we DOMINATE!!!
15 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Shell - I miss you like CRAZY!!! You never know how much someone truly means to you until they are not around anymore...
16 minutes ago from TweetDeck

I want to say hello to my friends and family. I love and miss all of you so much!!! I can't believe I am in the BB house living my dream!!
17 minutes ago from TweetDeck

I hope everyone in Torchwood on Aunchindoun server is holding it down! I hope all of you fans are enjoying my plotting in this house !!
19 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Hey, it's Ronnie the HGIC (Head Geek In Charge)!! I cant believe all of the drama that has gone down already this week.
24 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Someone in the CLFT mentioned the possibility that the cliques could be switched around the way Survivor switches tribes. Anyone think BB might do that?

If so, what new cliques would form? How would it affect Ronnie. I see one of Ronnie's major strategies as throwing Michele under that busy bus, so that when the Brains aren't in power, she is the target not him.....

Other possible cliques???

Bookworms
Stoners (won't use that lol)
Nerds (not the same as brains)

I can't think of any....

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
Brats
Beauties
Boys
Girls
College Grads
Street Smart (didn't we have that once?)
Celebrity Wannabees
People with Real Jobs
East Coast
West Coast
Youngest
Oldest


Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
LOL @ People with Real Jobs....

Damick6
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07-01-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Damick6 a private message Print Post    
I wanted to like Ronnie so much. But again in gamers terms he will screw up his game. Big Brother is not a zerg and you cannot treat people as idiots and get away with it for long.

All of his patting himself on the back is being listened to by Russell, Chima, Kevin et all. I believe it will come back to bite him.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I can get Ronnie's gameplay but like someone mentioned above, it lacks subtlety. I don't know how others didn't see him racing back and forth between people. Only person to catch on early was Russel.

Gidget
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07-28-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gidget a private message Print Post    
Russell has actually been a surprise. I was expecting a real bonehead. And he was with the bullying. But he manipulated HOH and he picked up on things I expected to go right over his head.

Great thing is I don't think Ronnie recognize intelligence in other people. He is so blinded by himself he will underestimate people, like Russell and that will be his downfall.


Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Ronnie's Gaming?

Damick posted this in the Live Feed Thread and thinks it might be Ronnie. I would love to see how those who know this game can compare it to how he's playing in the house.

Justalittlebean
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08-15-2003

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 10:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justalittlebean a private message Print Post    
Doesn't Ronnie realize he's going to get caught playing both side? Does anyone know which side he's really on? I'm so confused.