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Slugger
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 9:59 am
The other F word. Jeff is a major offender. When will someone call him out on it. Kevin for instance. A house guest would not get away with any other social slur.
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Biginjapan
Member
07-23-2005
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:15 am
He makes me cringe.
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Kswheels
Member
06-30-2005
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:54 am
No one will because they don't want to involve themself in unwanted drama.
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Loppes
Member
07-12-2002
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 11:14 am
Jeff's 'F-Bombs' are mild compared to those of some of the past HGs on BB. I don't have a problem with his.....yet.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 11:24 am
Jeff's use of the "other" f word, and how he uses "gay" are the things that first turned me off of him.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:12 pm
Yep and last night it was said that only Jeff and (the blonde southern girl who is a "server" ) had been throwing around "gay" and "f.." as epithets. I think Lydia did call her out on it gentley when she was complaining that no one would tak to Jeff, but SHE still would. (Jordan??) I'm blanking and have to leave.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:21 pm
Yes, Sea. That's Jordan.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:44 pm
I am from Chicago and I was a bartender. I can say Jeff talks just like any other guy when they would sit around and bullshit. I'm not saying that's good or bad, I'm just saying it's just how it is.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:48 pm
Jordan just said to Jeff: I just hope everybody wakes up and sends that fa***t home. She and Jeff say it too often for my taste and very derogatorily.
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Sportsfan
Member
09-03-2007
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:50 pm
I just watched a bunch of the Jeff-Russell fight video's on youtube and Russell called Jeff gay and a f'ing f-g and asked why he hangs out with gay people. Unfortunately sounds like there are a few "unpolitically" correct people in the house this year. Not sure that they are actually bashers as much as the word is so prevalent in the young peoples vernacular these days. Still not right though. As for the other f word most of them are throwing it around, it hasn't bothered me yet.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:53 pm
Yes. I've seen Russell throw it around, too. The F word doesn't bother me too much. Except that I think it shows a certain shallowness when you say a sentence like: I f'ing don't f'ing want to f'ing do that f'ing thing when I f'ing don't f'ing feel like f'ing doing it. LOL Jeff does this a LOT. But, when they throw out the f*g word in an effort to debase someone who is not there with them or even to put them down, as in "you're a little fa***t"...well, I'm just not down with that.
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Sportsfan
Member
09-03-2007
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:03 pm
I agree it's not right Bee-just want to make sure posters without live feeds know all the people who are throwing the word around, and from what I've seen who started throwing it around-no excuses for anyone here its just plain wrong.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:05 pm
I think it just shows how slowly we change as a culture. While some of us live in areas where use of the word could even get you fired, some of these people are coming from areas that are still behind the times, so-to-speak.
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Slugger
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:35 pm
To throw the word f-g around in a house where you know at least one person is gay is just plain ignorant. People have feelings. What would happen if someone threw the N word or the C word constantly as an insult. It is the same. The fact is, it is still OK in most of this country to use it as the ultimate insult. It is tiresome.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:44 pm
It bothers me when anyone uses that word. What bothers me even more is the extremely mean way it is being used when it is directed at specific people.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:47 pm
Well *DUH swooosh that went over my head!! (the "other F word) thanks (well maybe ignorant was a better place to be... ) for spelling it out for me! Now I am going to have to write Jeff off!
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Glitterae
Member
08-02-2005
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:47 pm
The F word was used from day one and hundreds of times a day in the Donato season along with many sprinklings of the C word... which I think is the worst word EVER!!! I think this is something we all need to expect and accept if we are going to watch this nonsense...lol
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Sportsfan
Member
09-03-2007
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:50 pm
All swear words or other derogatory words can be nasty when used as a weapon. I especially hate the c word.
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:52 pm
Maybe someone in the house could reference one of the commercials running lately. I guess it's more of a PSA - like the one with Wanda Sykes over hearing teenagers say something is "so gay". Love that one!
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 1:54 pm
ITA Bluejaxrock - wish they'd get a clue!
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Holly
Member
07-22-2001
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 2:04 pm
It's strange, Sportsfan, but where I come from the C-word is not gender specific. Men use it on each other when a bigger degree of derision is needed than, say, the word bas*@%d. So, while it was the worst curse word you could use for a person, it just didn't seem nearly as offensive as it does when it is directed at women only.
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Slugger
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 2:13 pm
I expect it, I don't ever like it. It shows utter ignorance and lack of wit whatsoever. And I never laugh at it.
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Wavewatcher
Member
09-09-2006
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 3:30 pm
The persons using gay bashing language whether in fun or in earnest, reveal a 'mean' quality about themselves..in addition to that ignorance and lack of wit mentioned earlier.
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 5:27 pm
I just got off of the phone w/my 23-year old and asked her if she or her friends use those terms, thinking it was a generational thing maybe. She said there are some people she knows who uses f****t & gay that way, but she lets them know it's not right. She also thinks it's a regional thing. All I know is that back in the '60s when I was coming up, my Archie-Bunker-type dad would not allow me to use the word "queer" because of the conotations (sp?), even though I was too young at the time to know there was another definition of "queer" other than odd/different/weird. Do as I say not as I do type of thing. Wavewatcher, I remember someone telling me that people who throw f-bombs every other word are just showing their ignorance of the English language, so I found a plethora of other words that were just as harsh. Which is probably when I found the word "plethora"...lol It was really cool slamming someone and they didn't even know they'd been slammed because they didn't know wth I'd said.
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Slugger
Member
07-17-2005
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 6:25 pm
Bluejaxrock...Interesting that my father said the same thing. This was in the late 50s. I used the term "queer" to describe a character acting strangely on TV. He was adamant that I not use that word, with no further explanation.
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 6:37 pm
Slugger, was your dad also the Archie-Bunker type? I mean, my dad told all kinds of derogatory jokes about any non-white group. He never used the "n" word around me, and I never thought of using it, but he used all of the other terms for people of color or ethnicity. In my junior year of high school my English teacher used to tell me I was "wallowing in the quagmire of obfuscation". HUH? I think that's when I started using words other than the "bad" ones to slam people. The looks on their faces were...priceless...lol
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Anastasia
Member
08-26-2006
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 6:52 pm
Hopefully this doesn't sound too prudish, but this is why I stopped getting the feeds - during the Evil Dick season I think. It was just too depressing listening to the pathetic slurs and language. Having said that, I'm glad to know who is saying the stuff, which you never find out on the show. Thank you posters!
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Harlequin
Member
07-11-2008
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 7:32 pm
As a young gay guy I should be affected by this, but ultimately I've never cared. I think Kevin put it best last night on After Dark when he said, and this won't be word for word but it's the general gist, "Words only have power if you give them that power. I won't be bothered by it." Because Jeff uses it as often as he does, it doesn't faze me when he uses it and I understand that's just a regional, maybe even cultural thing to do. He even stated in his pre-show interview that he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Russell lost a few more points in my book, but even then. It bugged me that Ollie used it last season, but that was more because he had gone most of his time in the house showing at least some form of sophistication (I wanted to use "dignity" but couldn't XD) and it was only when he had been played that he brought it out, and it was only in such rare circumstances. He was a sore loser so he took to acting like a child. That was what got to me. Evel Dick? Eh, that's just Dick. I would have laughed at it. Because it was Dick. =P So I know I should be on here ranting and going off on Jeff, but I can't do it. He's not my favorite person in the house; I think he's pretty cool but he's more "whatever" with me. I know that I don't let words dictate how I live my life and I say whatever I want whenever I want with no real filter, so it'd be hypocritical if I condemned him for it. Again, I think Kevin put it best, and I won't allow a word to dig that deep into me. I enjoy life too much to be bothered by things I consider trivial. ... Besides, I'm too busy bashing Jessie, Ronnie, and Natalie to worry about someone else. Seriously.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 7:37 pm
Thanks for that perspective Harlequin. I just keep thinking of my experience at the Holocaust Museum a few days ago - sure, ITA dont give the words power - but at the same time - we KNOW better, we have to DO better!
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Iheartkaysar
Member
08-16-2005
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 7:47 pm
I'm a teacher and I call my students out when they use the word "gay" to describe something they don't like. I don't think they are being cruel to gay people, they just don't get the connection. If they say something like "that poem is so gay", I ask them what that means. Is it a poem that likes other poems? Usually they laugh, see the connection, then use a more appropriate word to describe their opinions. Obviously, if they use the word as a slur, I handle it differently, and much more seriously.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-05-2007
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 7:52 pm
It bothers me that anyone of a younger generation, hell, even my generation (not so younger) still needs to deal in slurs against a group of humans. I just don't get it and it always will make me think less of that person. The only time I have ever just let it not get to me is with someone in my grandparents age group or older. I grew up in Chicago, my extended family is from a small town in a southern state and I have been in many regions inbetween, that just can't be an excuse to me. I just don't get it, accept it or want to hear it. We all do know better by now and any other excuse is just weak.
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Dutchey
Member
07-12-2009
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 9:34 pm
i agree
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:08 pm
Harl...I just loved your post. You remind me that as I listen to these people, who are young to me, I must remember that their perspective is different. They didn't fight the same sorts of battles I did and when they use a turn of phrase or a certain word as their descriptives, it comes from a totally different perspective than mine. Thanks for that, Har!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:54 pm
I may understand that there are regional differences, or reasons and that it can roll off my bacl if directed at me, I still couldn't hang with those people if they persisted in using the slurs after some discussion of how it might make someone feel, how in demeaning others the speaker demeans self. And that Kevin shouldn't HAVE to let it roll off his back, admirable as it may be that he does. I'm not surprised.. the caliber of person recruited for this show is often not so high, or they are probably encouraged to show off their rough edges. Russell seems like he, at least should be old enough to understand. I liked what Lydia said to Kevin on the show tonight about finding common ground because he and Jesse and Lydia and others are often judged by aspects that make them different and how it is better to attempt to see past the superficial. I so often find people who are quite different than the norm, and different from me to be interesting and often I learn most from people like that. Doesn't mean I'm rushing out to get a tattoo or piercing tonight, but I love the stories behind some tats or even piercings, I love learning about all types of lives.. I just love learning what makes people tick, I guess. Heck I sure have my biases.. I know the big implants will put me off in the beginning but even so, I try to keep an open mind and have ended up respecting and enjoying some people who originally put me off. (So far this is not happening with Laura). I'm too old to just let hurtful slurs pass and ignore them. Maybe I'm too outspoken. So no I wouldn't let it pass without saying something. Within the BB game, I can see why Kevin does let it pass because it would only cause him to be targetted more than he already is.
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