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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Big Brother USA ARCHIVES: Big Brother 11 - Part 1: Let's Discuss Ronnie's Game!: Archive through July 18, 2009 users admin

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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I know people who play WOW, but don't know anything about it. You can find out if that IS Ronnie by watching the stats. If they change, then it isn't him (unless someone is playing as him while he's out of the house and I don't know how he could've arranged that in the short time they are supposed to get ready to leave home).

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
P.S. I disagree with the "most liked wins" scenario, Km. The only one I agree with you on is Erica's loss during BBAS. I wanted Lisa and Dick to win their seasons, and while Maggie may have been most disliked outside the house, she wasn't inside.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Wow, this is interesting.

Ronnie's Lying About Being National Champ

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^^ I teach and coach speech at Bradley University (The best speech program in the country). I have judged Ronnie SEVERAL times. He is HORRIBLE. I only know him from a "professional" standpoint. We are actually similar in age but our college careers were staggered. I don't remember Ohio University at Ours or Illinois State's parties. I know OUs coaches very well... I am sending an email now...

Just checked my facebook... My team is bitching about Ronnie... He lies. He was never a national persuasion champion. The real national tournaments are AFA and NFA... he won this stupid tournament called Pi Kappa Delta which is NOTHING... Yeah, we are geeks but 8 of the top 10 universities are all bitching about his lying about speech! HA!


Posted by: Riddleme98

Now I understand why Ronnie is so all over the place in this game. A real National Champ just wouldn't have to tell everyone how good they are.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I disagree that he's playing a good game. Sure he's still in the game but he'd be in this week no matter how he voted. Getting the HOH has him in another week. There was a small chance that he might have gone up if he didn't get HOH but that chance is there every week he doesn't win. So at best he bought 1 additional week.

There is however the chance that everyone will want to take him to the final 2 because no one in the house likes him much. But that just means he played to win 2nd place.

I expect for him to flip in the next few weeks which might be the out that the Braden contingent needs to move up in numbers and have a chance.

Now let's suppose that next week the Braden contingent wins HOH and they decide to put Ronnie up against another of the Jesse contingent (out of spite and not thinking of who to take to the f2), I predict then that Ronnie will be booted....EOG!

But say the Braden contingent never wins (a real possibility) and Jesse's peeps continue to win. I think there is a good chance that even though everyone would want to take Ronnie to the final2, his personality will be so obnoxious and hard to take that they just couldn't stand him around for another week and they'll oust him.

Now for the sake of possibilities....say Braden's contingent surprises me and starts to win and win but never put Ronnie up ( they know he's easy to beat at the end) and it comes to the point where there are only 3 of Jesse's peeps left and 2 are put but but not Ronnie...one of the 2 wins veto I can see Ronnie being put up and being booted.

Overall I don't think Ronnie is playing that smart. He's alienated half the HG and will probably alienate the other half shortly then he's really a man with poop on his hands.

Chere
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08-10-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chere a private message Print Post    
If Ronnie was doing what he's doing to Casey/Laura/Jeff/Jordan to the aths/NBK alliance instead, we all would love him and overlook the sadistic nature of his game play.

Ronnie is playing aggressively and I don't expect him to last past the first or second week of sequester. His biggest flaw is being brutally honest with the aths/NBK about how he's manipulating C/L/J/J. He is basically telling the aths/NBK how ruthless he can be and I think that will make them feel extremely threatened by Ronnie and force them to eliminate him while they have the numbers to do so.

Ronnie is playing a high risk/high reward game, but I honestly don't believe he has the social skills or know how to put his ego in check to let he game come to him.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Costacat - I didn't mean at all liked by the audience, I mean the winner was liked by the jury, or had more personal connection with the jury...

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Ronnie made a worthless move for his end game. No one is going to give him alot of credit for getting a bunch of prejury players out.
Winning moves involve getting the jury out while still making respected moves in the game.
We will have to see if he plays smarter as the game goes or whether he will be booted prejury himself.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
The problem with his play is that no one will trust him.
People will tell him less and less, then he will be useless to each side.
When he enters a room and they stop talking he will be dead meat.
Most make it through with only a single person alliance.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't know. It always astonishes me how easily people forgive and forget lies and return to trusting the person both in BB and in real life. The usual exchange goes something like this (this is the short-form summary):
"You lied to me. How could you?!?!?!"

"Gee I'm really sorry man. It will never happen again. You can trust me."

"Uh …. Are you sure I can trust you?"

"Absolutely. I'm there for you man. I'm lying to those other people but I'm telling you the truth now!"

"Uh … okay as long as you're sure."

Next week …. repeat again.

Jbw
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08-14-2006

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbw a private message Print Post    
Correct me if I'm wrong, Ronnie's original game strategy was to float between the two sides and attempt to play both sides against themselves as long as possible. He was going to try to make both sides think he was with them until he was forced to pick a side.

By not throwing the HOH to Michelle, he now has to pick a side, since he's going to have to pick the two nominees. He screwed up. Rule number one of smart BB play is NEVER win the HoH contest unless you HAVE to to save yourself or your team. If Ronnie lost HoH to Michelle, Ronnie would have been safe this week since he's in the same clique and he would have been exempt from nomination.

Now with his HoH win, Ronnie has to 'show his hand' by nominate two people and he can't compete for HoH next Thursday. Dumb game play by Ronnie. If he picks two nominees of the Jesse group, he'll be a target of the Jesse group in the future and they'll be sure to let the Jeff group know Ronnie not only made a deal with them last week but Ronnie was the one who not only suggested saving Lydia, but he suggested substituting Braden as the evictee and then confirm Ronnie was the 5th vote to evict Braden. If Ronnie picks the two nominees from the Jeff group, he's also outed himself to the Jeffs and they'll know he's betrayed them to the Jesse group. If he picks one nominee from each group, he'll be looked upon as a 'floater' not to be trusted by either group.

When the HoH contest came down to the final two of Ronnie & Michelle, Ronnie was safe for the week. If Ronnie truly wanted to leave his options open, the best strategy was to let Michelle win HoH. By winning the HoH this week, Ronnie now has to out himself. A smart BB gamer would have thrown the contest to Michelle which have kept his options open for another week and allowed himself to compete for the HoH next week. While the Jesse group has the numbers now, they're too early in the game to predict which side will be dominating in four of five weeks time. Now Ronnie has to 'show his hand' by nominate two people and he can't compete for HoH next Thursday. Dumb game play by Ronnie as it has severely limited his options to play both sides against themselves.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
The phrases "dumb game play" and "Ronnie" kind of go hand in hand, don't you think?

Libshea
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08-31-2006

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Libshea a private message Print Post    
JBW -- I couldn't agree with you more! It's always the ones who say they are such BB experts who seem to do exactly what they shouldn't!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree that Ronnie winning HOH at this point was pretty poor strategy.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
And there is not one person in the house he can trust such as Jason had with, was it Danielle?

I would like to see an ally like that but will not this season.

To me at least, trust is important to have in the house to bounce your thoughts off without it going elsewhere.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
JBW, ITA! I was so surprised watching tv lst night! He should have thrown it.

I don't really care though, I don't much care about him really. But for all his talk, making it seem like he is so smart and great at strategy, he screwed up big time.

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
Actually, I'm pretty convinced that Michelle threw the HOH to Ronnie. She was feeling a bit guilty about that last night, but it was the best move for her. Ronnie can badmouth her all he wants, she's not top of anyone's hate list right now.

So who's the smarter player?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Oooh... I know, I know.. MICHELLE!

:-)

Kmjm
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05-19-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kmjm a private message Print Post    
A gold star for you, Costa!

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 4:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spunky a private message Print Post    
He got lucky.... Casey could have eliminated him instead of Jeff. If he didn't win HOH half the house would target him..
Of course he has to look after himself and he will play "harmless" as long as he can. However, he showed his colors too soon and to many in the house is anything but "harmless"..

Good luck to him if he can fool the Athletes he's their buddy... I hope he can use them as a shield for now and when he has the numbers to get them he will... He had to evict Braden because Chima is on his team and he needs an ally, his mistake however was that he played two-faced with the Pop and off-beat and they can no longer trust him.

But for now that he's HOH he can play however he likes, chummy with the Athletes and double-dealing with the others... He's king now..

Missyb
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07-28-2004

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Missyb a private message Print Post    
I read elsewhere that Ronnie's wife Michele has said that Ronnie and she discussed some of his strategy and he is following plan. He also said he would win HOH week two. So................

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 6:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
ha ha Kmjm! Cool! I wondered what would happen if they both just sat there trying to throw that comp! Not that they could really do that... for a few different reasons. Good for Michelle!

So this could get confusing with Ronnie's wife having the same name.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
what game? Ronnie has always been on the opposite side as the jocks, so he is trying for once in his life to be accepted by these people. Too bad he doesn't realize that he is still an outsider, just easy to play. If he was going to play this game with pride he would have worked with the brains and the off beats who are more than likely those in his circle of friends.

Govols
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07-18-2005

Friday, July 17, 2009 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Govols a private message Print Post    
My question is ~ why did he pick the side that he appears to be with? What are the pros vs cons for him?
If he thinks he is stronger w/muscles...I beg to differ. Having muscles doesn't mean they will win more comp's.
I think the people in Jeff's group would be more dependable in an alliance.
The guy just irks me on every level.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
It appears that Nat, Lydia, Chima (not sure who else) want to backdoor Russell now? Not sure how that happened, but ....that fits right into Ronnie's evil plan.

Is it possible that what he was telling Jeff/Laura/Jordan was true, and they were put up as pawns? And his intention all along was to find a way to backdoor Russell?

If Russell doesn't win the veto, he gets him out, with the support of the whole house, and he's still safe.

IF it works out (big 'IF') then, I have to give him props for playing both sides of the house without getting burned.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Rosem from what I read It was suggested to Russell he should talk to Jordan! Then Ronnie let Nat know Russell was talking to her in storage room and she ran and told Jessie!
It made Ronnies plan work that Russell is working both sides of the house!