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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Big Brother USA ARCHIVES: Big Brother 11 - Part 1: Should we go back to alliances?: Archive through May 23, 2009 users admin

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Ryn
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07-13-2000

Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ryn a private message Print Post    
I thought the pre-existing alliances took away from the 'game' but I am not so sure after BB10 - what do you think?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, Ryn but I'm not a fan of big alliances as I think it almost turns it into a Survivor type team game. The side that wins HOH just eliminates someone from the other alliance and so on. I prefer a lot of shifting individual small alliances as I think that makes it a more exciting game.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 1:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I want all singles in there. no pairs of people who know eachother on the outside.

Harlequin
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07-11-2008

Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Harlequin a private message Print Post    
I enjoy people that are all strangers. The issue with BB10, as much as I adored that season, was that you had someone in there that just managed to command things WAY too quickly and turn it in to the sheep herd that it was. (I'm referring to Libra, by the way. Definitely a powerful player that was running the game in the early weeks, in my opinion.)

I agree with what Jimmer said. I enjoy smaller groups of people. I also love it when those people have deals with others, and it all comes together to form one giant, complex web of alliances and deals and backstabbing. That's why I kind of dislike(d) BB6, since it was sooo polarized between the two sides and there was no hope of cutting any deals to break them up. (That's also why I was rooting for James when he broke away half way through. He added something to that season.)

So, to (finally) answer your question Ryn, I'd have to say that pre-existing relationships ruined the scenario. Big Brother (more of the experiment itself and not the show) is a sociological experiment to see how complete strangers interact with one another to come to a common goal. In this case they're working against each other, but it's the "throw some strangers in a confined space and watch them" that should still ring true for this show, for me.

Besides, we had a string of seasons with the pre-existing alliances. I, for one, would like a break from that, so at the very least one more season of all strangers.

'Sides, the only real couple that worked was Dick and Daniele, and that was just annoying. "It's so unfair!" and "Blargblarg daughter blarg!" was just boring to hear every week. The others didn't really go over too well:

-Cowboy & Nakomis: Totally never alligned. Cowboy voted his sister out.
-Adria & Natalie: Targetted shortly after they were both in the game.
-Season 6: There was no way a pair was going to make it to the end. Period. Aside from James and Sara(h?), we never saw anything form the partners either. (Alright, maybe Rachel and Howie.)
-Jessica & Carol: Oh please.
-Dustin & Joe: It had the makings of a very interesting scenario, but Joe left in week two.
-Jen & Ryan: Season 9. Jen spilled far too early and it was all downhill from there.

I didn't mention Season 4 but I have a good reason, I swear!

... I didn't watch it so I can't comment on it. =P

EDIT: Ugh. "Socialogical" is not "sociological" and that was going to bug me if I didn't fix it. XD

Ryn
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07-13-2000

Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ryn a private message Print Post    
(jimmer - I wasn't sure exactly what I meant either - I was just trying to set up a second thread and needed a topic!)

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    


Harlequin
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07-11-2008

Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Harlequin a private message Print Post    
... Did I type an essay by misunderstanding the question? >_>

'Cause that would be SO embarrassing. And funny, but embarrassing all the same. XD

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree with what Jimmer said.

Excellent answer Harlequin and I think you understood the question perfectly.

Seriously, in Ryn's attempt to set up a second thread, he has created an interesting topic. By the way you're lucky you missed Season 4.

The main thing I don't want to see is two huge polarising alliances who don't intermingle and spend all day saying nasty things about each other.

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Friday, May 01, 2009 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
Put me on the side of the purists!

No pre-determined alliances, no pairs, no couples, no parents/children, no siblings, NO TWISTS.

Just leave the game alone to play out as it will, with 12 strangers. That always gives us the best show, and is one of the basic concepts of the Big Brother franchise.

That being said, I can't wait til the season starts, and will watch it like a lunatic, no matter what they do!

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 10:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
ITA with everything everyone has said...
The only thing I could add is NO one can go back in the house after being voted out!!

Harlequin
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07-11-2008

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 11:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Harlequin a private message Print Post    
The only way I would be okay with someone returning is if it had nothing to do with voting, be it by America, the production team, the housemates- whatever.

If there was a competition or a series of comps though, between the evicted housemates. Or, at least all that stuck to their I-can't-think-of-the-word and know nothing of what's going on. (C'mon- Season 3/9, everyone went to seperate places and enjoyed themselves until it came time for one of them (Amy/Alex) to go back in. My vocabulary's failing me for some reason.)

I think I'd be okay with that since it could very well be anyone's game. But for the most part, yeah, I'd rather not see someone evicted get back in since they had their chance and they mucked it up. (But, I remember losing Brian and Angie last season, which made me sad, so I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I said anything different. XD)

Rosem4243
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06-27-2005

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosem4243 a private message Print Post    
SEQUESTER!!

The word of the day is 'sequester'

Hi Harlequin - nice to 'see' ya here!



Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
I still think they need to get the audience involved in the final vote for the winner- make it 9 votes for the final 2, and have 2 of them be home audience votes (an Eastern/Central time zone vote and a Mountain/Pacific time zone vote). That way it gives the people watching the show a say (I'd like to make it a 50/50 split, but it could get too unwieldy- at least this way you need a decisive majority on the HG jury to win, and if you are in the minority alliance-wise in that part of the game, you still would have a chance).

Redhawk
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05-23-2007

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redhawk a private message Print Post    
I think the only ones who should have a say in who wins are the HGs themselves. We're all aware of bots which skew the voting. I do like the idea of a fan favorite getting 25k which we alone get to decide.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
I agree with Redhawk because of the Bots! And sigh BB leave it alone! It is suppose to be STRANGERS entering the house! But also I would like to see them have to earn more things!

Gurliegirl
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06-20-2006

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gurliegirl a private message Print Post    
Harlequin, I think we can give you season 4...were you old enough to even be able to even work a remote? Aren't you one of our younger comrades?

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 3:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Seattlemom- I actually was thinking of that too- in a couple of other BB countries, they started the prize money at zero and had to earn money for it based on challenges and decisions...

Redhawk-I understand the bots, but still, if they did what I mention, a person could still win through the jury alone (the only way the audience votes would come into play is if it was 4-3)

Geri
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07-08-2003

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Geri a private message Print Post    
The only problem with letting the audience vote is how the show is edited. People that don't get the live feeds or showtime usually have a totally different impression of the hamsters than those who do.

I wish they would turn the cameras on for the public the minute that front door is opened and the houseguests walk in.

Harlequin
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07-11-2008

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Harlequin a private message Print Post    
Ack! Hey Rose!

Gurlie, Big Brother 4 was in 2003 so I was... Thirteen? I turned fourteen that year, shortly after the season ended. (Got the dates from Wikipedia.) So I could work a remote, but my attention span wasn't much. I simply couldn't get in to it, and there wasn't anyone I could pick to like in the beginning. Unlike BB3 where I loved Danielle from the get-go. =D

But I've been watching the show from BB1. I didn't want Eddie to win (Didn't like/understand his accent) and remember throwing a tantrum when Curtis was evicted. (I loved his Trinitron song.) =/

As for audience participation, I'm one of the skeptics involving BB8 with America's Player and such, so I'm also kind of iffy on the subject. It's one of those back and forth things. I hate it when they give us stupid "America's Choice" options like what they can eat for a week (Lollipops? Really?) but I don't want anything potentially game-altering for the reasons Geri stated, primarily those without the "insider's knowledge". But, some form of vote is sometimes appealing, too... It just stinks for those on the Pacific Coast.

Redhawk
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05-23-2007

Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 10:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redhawk a private message Print Post    
I'm lucky because where I live “local” channels are not offered by my satellite provider. As a consequence I am able to get both the NYC and LA feeds so I can watch 3 hours ahead of others who live on the west coast and BBAD comes on at 9pm for me.

ITA with Geri. Those who only watch the network shows are influenced by the “production edit” of what is really happening in the house. That's why IMHO there should be no voting from those outside the house.

Stopthemadness
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07-15-2005

Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopthemadness a private message Print Post    
I also do not want people who have an outside connection entering the house together. Like to see how they all get along and form alliances without outside influences .

But... I would also think it would be cool if when a HG is evected they don't leave the house. They get to stay and play the game in hopes of getting a second "looser" prize, maybe $30,000. I really hate when there is less then 5 people left in the house. This would keep things interesting and create more drama.

Emm119
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07-12-2005

Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Emm119 a private message Print Post    
I can't believe I'm getting involved again...LOL. I swore I wouldn't...

Anyway...Every year I think that we should be involved because I know I could do a better job then the PTB at big brother. My favorite year was with Janelle and Howie (the original year). I'm not trying to figure out which year it was. I don't like when the try to do the "twists" because they never work. If they did let us vote, like the one year, it should probably be like on dancing with the stars...only so many per household so no one could set up a phone tree and just vote over and over and over.

I think the alliances are a good thing for the HG BUT think maybe it would be interesting if there was a way that they could be broken up each week. Not sure how but maybe when they do the contest and they are divided into groups, maybe those groups have to stay together and separated for that week from the other group ...the alliances would be changing every week...

Ok, I'm done...LOL
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Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Red...me too. I also get east coast channels, like you do. I wonder if we're neighbors? LOL It's great, isn't it?

I do like the vote for "Favorite" or whatever it's called. The one Janelle (twice), Keesha, James and Jessica (?) won.

Redhawk
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05-23-2007

Friday, May 22, 2009 - 7:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Redhawk a private message Print Post    
Yesterday I sent an email to ShowTime asking if there are plans for BBAD this summer.

ShowTime’s response: No announcement has yet been made regarding the possibility of "Big Brother After Dark" returning in 2009.

They went on to say, keep checking back.

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 6:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Another purist here. And I hope they make the effort to cast average folks, not Boogy-buddies.