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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 9:34 am
I don't think the students really care if he's honest or not- Honesty isn't part of the BB vocabulary. The big word is WINNING. It's a GAME for $500,000- and in a game you follow the rules, and one of the big rules is "backstabbing and betrayal is part of the game, since only one can win".
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 10:30 am
Dan sat in HOH and said to the camera that his mother would tell him to honor the deal with Ollie and his dad would tell him the opposite. The last I heard, Dan's plan was that POV would be used and that he would then put up Michelle, unless she was pov holder, in which case he would put up Ollie.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 10:34 am
He also made the comment: Let's do this like Judas. He's playing the game to win!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 10:45 am
I'm hoping either Michelle or Jerry will slip up and somehow let the cat out of the bag that Ollie has told them all about the deal. In the first few minutes of BBAD last night, Ollie told Michelle and Jerry all about the deal and also told them to keep it quiet because he "wasn't supposed to tell anyone" about it. If Dan realizes that Ollie told about the deal after promising he wouldn't, that could be easily taken as Ollie breaking the deal first and that would let Dan off the hook entirely! Of course, that depends Dan figuring out Ollie blabbed....
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 1:39 pm
Oh well... Ollie also said that if Dan were to go against his word he would tell everyone (even if he already told his alliance) and he would actually behave worst than Jerry by giving Dan a hard time for what he did to Ollie... so, if we want to see some action let's have Dan put Michelle or Ollie up... I may actually enjoy watching Ollie's blowing up steam... (now that April is gone he may start playing..) Since Dan is not playing for the first HOH on Thursday and Ollie or Michelle win (if they're still there, Dan will be their prime target... and he could be gone on Thursday as the second eviction...
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 9:00 pm
So, I guess Dan would rather win the battle instead of the war? C'mon. He lied through his teeth with the Jessie eviction, has somewhat been forgiven, and now, he's gonna outright lie again (and ever so sincerely) and then expect the jury to hand him half a mill? Talk about living on another planet. These people aren't exactly the type to forgive, forget, and reward even imagined deception much less the in yer face kind.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 9:24 pm
Part of the deal that Ollie agreed to was that Keesha was to be safe. Now he is asking to put Keesha on the block. And he always intended to do that; he told Michelle that. So, he's breaking the deal and planned to all along as well. Dan could actually PUT Keesha on the block.. I think Memphis would and I know Renny would vote Jerry out, but that would piss off Keesha and leave Michelle/Ollie together. Ollie was ranting to Michelle about how "they" wanted to split himm up with April and he said he had to split up Keesha and Renny.. so surely he'll understand that he and Michelle need to be broken up. Of course Dan could have been much more straightforward and just put Ollie and Michelle up on the block to begin with.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 8:26 am
Dan would have such an easy job putting Keesha on the block and save face with Ollie, I mean she would have the votes to stay so she is the perfect pawn. Dan should convince Keesha that her going on the block would keep the peace in the house and Jerry will be evicted (but what a waste!!). Renny votes out Jerry Memphis votes out Jerry Ollie votes out Keesha Michelle votes out Keesha Dan breaks the tie and votes out Jerry... is it too risky?? Well, if I were Dan I would vote out Keesha and keep Jerry who can't win endurance comps...
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 2:30 pm
It is pretty important to have Michelle go to get rid of one Memphis' allies, the one who is NOT really allied to Dan. Sounds like Memphis right now is agreeing with Dan that Michelle needs to go now. They think they can compete more easily against Renny and Keesha. Now they do fear Renny might keep Ollie over one of them. Dan is now fearing the wrath of Ollie against him and Memphis is trying to sooth him that Dan didn't use POV himself.. Dan of course realizes that Ollie won't see it that way at all. M/D want to make sure that Renny knows that Ollie wants her put up (which of course is Ollie's third or fourth choice, but it is what he is asking for now that he knows Memphis is safe and Keesha is protected by Dan.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 2:33 pm
Dan fears that if Renny gets HOH and doesn't put Ollie up... Memphis says that would out Renny, probably won't do that. Memphis is clearly feeling much better about final four being M/R/D/K. (Dan has done a good job of creating a detente between R/Mem, IMO). Memphis wants to pit Renny vs Ollie.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Monday, August 25, 2008 - 8:50 am
I wasn't so sure about Dan's deal and putting Memphis on the block, but with Memphis winning POV, this actually might work. If Dan puts Michelle up and they vote her out, he has 2 known enemies: Ollie and Jerry. If either one wins and puts him on the block he could survive that vote if he's up against Memphis. I'm starting to admire his play. It's obvious he's watched prior seasons and tried to learn from them.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Monday, August 25, 2008 - 2:17 pm
the only thing wrong about his move is that he broke his word to Ollie and he's no longer a saint... nothing wrong with that, but he should admit it in front of Ollie that he never intended to honor the deal and he will be joining the liars and backstabbers of previous BB seasons... his catholic school students may learn that for money you do anything, even breaking promises...I'm sure they'll survive...
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Govols
Member
07-19-2005
| Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 8:42 am
I can't help it, I want Ollie to also go with Michelle to the Jury house. May as well take the trip together since they enjoy each others company so much. Have April open the door and see them both at the same time.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 8:52 am
Still, it was very sneaky of Dan to wash his hands of his move to put Michelle on the block, the fact that he convinced Ollie to name Renny when in fact Ollie wanted Keesha up so that the majority said Michelle and used this as an excuse to put her up. I am glad that Ollie eventually explained to Renny that his target was Keesha and if Dan would have let him say "Keesha" instead of "Renny" Keesha would have been up now and not Michelle. Obviously Ollie saw through that sneaky move and didn't waste time to explain that to Renny.
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 8:54 am
To me Dan is treating this like it should be...a game and in some cases deception is a part of the game. As a football coach he doesn't yell across the field "hey, I'm going to hand off to the running back and he's going to run up the middle" As a coach he designs plays and does things in the game to make the other side think he's going to run up the middle and as soon as they bite...the quarterback hit's a long pass for the score. If Ollie really thought that he had the power of HOH this week, he fell for a great fake.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 9:09 am
so that the majority said Michelle This is what I don't get. There was no majority. Michelle said Keesha. Keesha said Michelle. Ollie said Renny. Renny said Ollie. So...how is it that the majority said Michelle?
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 9:11 am
My understanding of Dan's plan was to get everyone to say someone else's name to create enemies not so much to get a majority opinion.
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Jushvnfn
Member
07-29-2006
| Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 9:16 am
To me Dan is treating this like it should be...a game and in some cases deception is a part of the game. ITA
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 9:16 am
Yes, exactly. I think his whole purpose was to creat dissention between Ollie and Renny, because Renny kept saying she likes Ollie. Once Ollie said her name, all that changed for Renny.
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Friday, August 29, 2008 - 7:06 am
Well, finally!!!! I'm starting to wake up!! Game on!!! I must confess, it was a total surprise to see Gerry HOH. I'm very curious to see how he did it, and to think that he came very near beating Keesha on the tiebreaker. Logically, his targets would be Memphis and Dan but he may want to break up the alliance of Keesha and Renny... well, well, well, I'm wide awake again!!
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Yoda
Member
08-11-2005
| Friday, August 29, 2008 - 7:27 am
Strategically I think he needs to go after Renny because in the F2 against any of them; she would win. I don't want Renny to go but if Jerry is really looking for his best interest that just might be what's best for him.
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Dfennessey
Member
07-25-2004
| Friday, August 29, 2008 - 8:22 am
i would like to see dan and memphis
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, August 29, 2008 - 8:26 am
I didn't see any dissention created since they all know Dan orchestrated the answers they gave. I still don't get that dumb move. Jerry? I'm hoping he sends Dan or Keesha packing for his own game.
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Fan
Member
08-22-2008
| Friday, August 29, 2008 - 8:30 am
ITA Yoda.. I think Jerry should think ahead and do just what you said.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, August 29, 2008 - 8:40 am
Thing is, Renny hasn't been so great on the comps. I think she's not spent nearly the time remembering and counting as the rest. Endurance wise, she's got a leg up over Jerry for age reasons if no other. Dan and Keesha have been proven to be more competitive than the rest with endurance/mental combo. Right now, I think he should worry more about getting rid of more threatening competition than who it's better to be sitting next to in f2 (it's gonna be next to impossible for him to be there IMO).
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