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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 10 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 10 - Part 7: Ollie vs. Kaysar: Archive through August 27, 2008 users admin

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Askme_who_ur
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08-19-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Askme_who_ur a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, Great Question. I guess that is why you get paid the big bucks !

To answer your question or at least attempt to answer it.

Ollie had not been playing up to that point in a lot of people's eyes. I am sure Dan could have safely assumed Ollie would gravitate to Michelle BUT I am sure Dan was questioning not IF Ollie was with Michelle but if Renny was with Ollie. Dan stated on tonight's show that he is very calculated and I think he made the deal to see if Ollie would protect Renny over Michelle. I know he had questions about Renny's loyalty. Since Dan has deals with both Memphis and a separate one with Keesha and Renny , I am sure He was trying to solidify in his own mind which alliance should he be more loyal too.

Through doing this "deal" with Ollie it revealed Ollie's alliance and his main threat in the game.
In my opinion, Dan's "deal" was strategic not out of spite.

Jen's deal was simply spiteful.

Dan didn't backdoor Ollie which he could have.
Dan did honor that part of the deal, which SHOULD be the most important part.
Jen had no intention to honor her deal with Kaysar.

I didn't agree with Howie pitching at fit after the broken deal, nor do I agree with Ollie throwing his tantrum. It lowered my opinion of them personally. In both seasons, one side got played and it would have shown more class to have handled it more maturely.

I hope in future seasons, the HG's learn only to "trust" themselves. NO matter what reality game is played, when you place your fate in the game in someone else's hands don't be surprised when you get played. Everyone should be there for themselves and to think someone else REALLY has your back is living in ...well...... Reality Land.

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
Both Kaysar and Ollie were foolish to give up HoH. I didn't dislike Jen because she broke her promise to Kaysar. I disliked her for the other million reasons she gave me to dislike her BESIDES her broken promise.

I do think that the reaction of the person who gave up HoH had a lot to do with how the viewers responded as well. I never saw Kaysar display anything but class even when he was angry with Jen for breaking her promise. Ollie, however, has displayed NO CLASS at all before or after Dan broke the promise. Ollie's arrongant atitude made me actually root for Dan to break his promise. I couldn't stomach the thought of Ollie's smug self-satisfied behavior being rewarded lol.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 8:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I'm going to "ditto" Nick, Ladytex, and Pamy.

Shoe_diva1966
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07-21-2005

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 8:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shoe_diva1966 a private message Print Post    
Great question Jimmer, My very own sister and I talked about this exact scenario after the show aired tonight. I think my problem with it all was the way that Dan did it. He should have just told Ollie Im not honoring the 3rd part of the deal. It seemed to me that Dan was calculating in his decisions but he was also out to make "great TV". JMHO

Alliet
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07-11-2005

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 9:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alliet a private message Print Post    
Ollie should be used to people reneging on their HoH deals. His BB g/f lied to Michelle about keeping Jessie and Michelle safe now, didn't she.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
granted some has to do with personality/who we like etc. But Jen set out to betray Kaysar while swearing. Had Ollie made a reasonable deal (don't put me up) I truly believe Dan would have honored it. But instead Ollie went to totally take over Dan's HoH to an absurd level that no reasonable person would or could honor.

So, Kaysar asked for a fair deal and was lied to. Ollie started with a fair deal and it was agreed to, then he kept adding more and more and more. Let's not forget Dan did honor most of it, including putting up his closest ally who was NOT happy about the plan.

And there is also how Kaysar dealt w/it vs Ollie, but Nerovh covered that perfectly!

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
Again, i like Dan, do not like Ollie

dan OFFERED ollie himself, protection for 1 hg and pov nominee. unless i'm missing something since i dont watch the feeds but the show made it seem that Dan made all the deals not ollie.

Ollie just forgot the rule of "sounds to good to be true"

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 10:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
No difference for me.

I thought Kaysar made a stupid game move and it was pretty smart of Jen to throw that deal out the window. Kaysar needed to leave after that move. Thought Howie went way to far. Wasn't a huge Janelle/Kaysar/Howie fan, but didn't much like Jen and them either.

This time around, thought it was a pretty stupid game move Ollie made and smart of Dan not to honor that deal. If Ollie's not gonna leave after his dumb move, then one of his alliance needs to. Thought Ollie went to far with his temper tantrum.

Ok, little difference...I actually like the bb10 hg's better as a group than any of the groups during the Kaysar/Jen season.

Sugar
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08-15-2000

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 11:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sugar a private message Print Post    
Foolish moves are foolish moves, if you let someone else win the power, be prepared to be played. Certainly, I prefer Kaysar and Dan to jen and ollie so don't care so much that ollie didn't get his way.

BTW, what is with the "swearing"? I don't mean, for instance Michelle using naughty words as adjectives, adverbs, nouns, verbs, prepostions, pronouns... I mean things like "pinky swear" or "swearing on ones children, parents, lover, dog, canary..." Why is that such a hot button that people are shocked and insulted/aggravated when the opposite of the swear happens? I think it is so ridiculous, esp in reality tv. People are always being played. The $$ is the justification for any arch or nefarious dealings. Also it seems that those who proclaim how they maintained integrity are the biggest offenders. There is someone you don't trust, think they are lying and by them saying they are not lying, promising on ?? you believe them and are then shocked when your initial reaction is true. For pity's sake, watch some of these shows before you play.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 12:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I think that sums it up for me.

Toolhound
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06-22-2007

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 2:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Toolhound a private message Print Post    
Dan did this to a player that has no respect in the house. Ollie hid behind April then finally might have been able to win something and gave that up. To ask for as much as Ollie did in this deal was dreaming and if something is to good to be true....

Caprica
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02-10-2007

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 3:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Caprica a private message Print Post    
Dan set the deal not Ollie.
It was too good to be true and Ollie should have known that Dan was not going to give up HOH power entirely.
Ollie did not start playing the game until April left and had no idea what he was doing.
Kaysar had been out of the house for a week and did not know what was really happening in the house.
Both Ollie and Kaysar made foolish moves but only one of them had been there the whole time hiding behind another player with his head under a pillow.

Kidsatm
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07-08-2005

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 5:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kidsatm a private message Print Post    
Not fair Jimmer, just not fair!
Selective outrage>Big Brother imitating life to the nth degree!
So, to my outrage:Don't forget Kaysar had been out of the house and starting back on the road to "normal" mindset. Big, warm hearted Kaysar was also being pressured by other members of the house to let poor little Jen to have her pictures and letter.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 5:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I wasn't outraged by either Jen or Dan's actions. I think everyone at the time also thought Kaysar was just dumb to give up the HOH just as most can't believe that Ollie would actually believe that an HOH would hand over the key essentially.

The reason though taht most are apathetic about the actual lying is because these people have been breaking their word to each other from the first week, outing alliances, jumping alliances so if a HG takes the word of anyone in that house they are fools.

Even Dan and Memphis dont trust each other and know that each other could be lying to them. That is why this group of HGs is probably my favorite group in a long long time. great game for us the viewers.

Zgoodgirl
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08-22-2003

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 5:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zgoodgirl a private message Print Post    
IMO, peoples favorites could do no wrong in their eyes no matter what happens.

Once they start disliking them, most tend to never change their mind..again..no matter what happens.

The majority of people like Kaysar and Dan. And the majority of people hate Jen and Ollie.

I have never seen someone move from fav to disliked or vice versa. Once people have their favs set, they are their golden child. And it takes a lot for that to change.

ETA: Some are also saying that Jen was too smug about the whole ordeal. We could say the same thing about Janelle and he "Bye bye " after she won HoH when Kaysar was evicted. But I am sure the majority was cheering her on just like I was.

Gemma120in2002
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07-05-2003

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 5:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gemma120in2002 a private message Print Post    
Kaysar has personal integrity Ollie can't even begin to touch. Kaysar didn't know the game, and agreed to come in to the game as a favor to a friend. He didn't do anything to embarrass his family or himself, or to forsake his beliefs. Ollie supposedly knows the game, and he came in squeaky clean (maybe) and immediately dumped all of his ethics in pursuit of April. His family will be utterly mortified when they discover what Ollie has done. Even if they deny that HE actually did anything wrong, and that he was a lamb among wolves etc. he will be an embarrassment to his family. Neither of the two have "GAME" when it comes to Big Brother, but of the two, I prefer Kaysar.

Dan has made strategic and calculated moves in order to progressively further himself in the game. He has devoted a lot of time and thought to how he intended to play this game. Jen's strategy involved getting there and winging it using her manipulative skills and physical beauty. No real strategy, and lots of mean-spirited behavior.

At first I thought the way Dan handled the POV ceremony was mean, but in order for him to really get his alliance to come to his side and back him up, he needed Renny and Keesha to hear Ollie and Michelle put them up as replacement noms. He could "tell" them all day long that Michelle and Ollie were gunning for them, but hearing it for themselves was really REALLY effective.

There is a big difference in the way both of these situations played out.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 5:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
I was a Dan Fan up until this past week. I can take the ugly badmouthing way better than the souless crap I saw from Dan. That POV meeting did it for me. Not only did it make zero sense (the whole say a name idiocy), it followed him pretty much insisting that they either say what he told him to say or look out for what he'd do to them. I felt like I was watching a really bad actor reading a script when he described his roulette game. I seriously wish someone could explain the point of it to me. And he tells them to be honest, and again lets them know that if they don't say what they're supposed to say, they're IT. I can't find one sane reason for any of it and to be able to lie is one thing, but to be able to lie so sincerely and keep lieing with glee under the guise of good tv just sickens me.

How did it help Renny to hear her name come out of Ollie's mouth when she full well knew that Dan was writing the whole script? Hell, he wrote her part too. How do they not look at him and not believe that he'll do the same thing to them when he has to do it?

I think all Dan did was show his true character (or lack of), prove that he'll do ANYTHING to get to the end, and lost a bunch of jury votes. He not only winked to the camera, he pranced in front of it as he has since he was chosen to be AP.

One word, Monica.

RUN.

Abbys_mom
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03-10-2008

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Abbys_mom a private message Print Post    
Dan has done nothing different than they have in any other seasons . . . . maybe the "Name That Tune" part was different but I believe he was just calling out the alliances in the house for everyone to see . . and as far as his prancing and looking/talking to the cameras-they have all done it at one point or another. I enjoy it when they acknowledge "us"!

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 7:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
How was he calling anything out? Rennie wanted to say "Michelle" and Ollie wanted to say "Keesha".

I've been watching BB since season one so I'm well aware of what the game will turn people into, but I have to say that Dan is the biggest disappointment yet (for me). And, what he did was completely unnecessary and yet celebrated. I hope it bites him in the end. I really do.

Askme_who_ur
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08-19-2006

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 8:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Askme_who_ur a private message Print Post    
I agree with Gemma, They needed to Hear it for themselves. It doesn't matter if Dan orchestrated it or not. They still said it. As I mentioned before Dan needed to see where Renny's loyalty lay. Renny smart and questions everything and Dan needed to see if Renny would protect Ollie and visa versa. I didn't understand Dan's thinking in the beginning but he took a calculated risk. He is a football coach. Games are won or lost with big plays. At least Dan showed he is playing "the game". IF he is at the end, there can be no doubt he wasn't a floater. He totally controlled this week. He was indeed the puppet master. Got people to do things they didn't want to do. Say things they didn't want to say. He engineered the entire week. It also proved to him how smart Memphis was, that Memphis COULD win when he needed too. That could be helpful IF Dan really wants to take Memphis to the end OR it could be be Memphis' downfall with Dan.

Teenangel
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02-16-2008

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teenangel a private message Print Post    
Stupid is as Stupid does.

It was stupid on Ollie's part to have taken such a deal. It was ridiculous to believe such nonsense. Also, Dan did offer the 2 for 1 deal but Ollie is the one who threw on the veto replacement part, Dan just said 'deal'. And then again Ollie tried to add more to the deal even after the competition when he had absolutely nothing to offer or bargain with, ah duh.

Yes, to me it has been about who I liked or disliked but the players themselves gave me reasons for my opinion of them. I heard many times Ollie and April both say that they would lie and agree to any deals offered and then not keep the deal. Ollie would NOT have kept any deal had Dan given him the HOH. Had Jen made a deal with Kaysar and gave Kaysar the HOH, I fully believe Kaysar would have honored the deal.
With Natalie and Sheila, well I felt that Sheila was just plain vile and vicious. I knew Natalie would never make it to F2 or F3 But her dream was to make it to F4. She played the game and IMO Sharon did NOT. For Sheila to take someone to F4 who slept through the game and break her word to Natalie and throw her out at F5, well like I said that was just vile and vicious, IMO.

Back to Dan, had Dan honored such a ridiculous deal...well Stupid is as Stupid does..
and Dan proved he was not that stupid.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Dan laid the trap and the others fell into it. I think it's quite brilliant. Risky, but smart. Dan did so many things that could have gone wrong this week, but they didn't.

He kept his alliance with Memphis hidden.
He found out that Renny and Ollie do not have a deal.
He found out that Michelle and Ollie were a pair.
He tested Keesha's allegiance.

Now this double eviction could really mess things up, but double evictions are always risky nights. I say good job to Dan! I questioned his sanity at the beginning of the week, but now he's looking crazy like a fox to me.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Honestly, my only hope is the double eviction. I'm hoping Ollie or Jerry gets the HOH just to wipe some smug off the other side. And, I think more than luck has allowed Dan to pull off this insanity.

More importantly, I believe that human beings, for the most part, look for inherent good in others in spite of a game of deceipt. It's just in our nature. To push it all off and just call Ollie a dope for taking the deal, to me, is ridiculous. Dan not only made the promises, he kept making them up to the very point that he put Michelle up and he used each and every one of them to do it. No, I don't think he learned anything new. He knew Ollie and Michelle were together (how could he not?). He knew nothing about Renny/Ollie cause it was him that made them both say what they didn't want to say. If anything, it looked like they DID have a deal cause neither was happy naming the other. Keesha? Hell, he still doesn't know about her F2 with Renny although he'd have to be semicomatose not to notice it. He doesn't give K/R much credit at all.

I think his actions during this HOH were/are shameful and nothing to be crowing about and I think it will cost him the big prize if he does end up in the finals. At least, I hope so.

Him and Will? I see no comparison.

I'd rather see Jerry or Ollie win this game than Dan or Memphis or Keesha. And I don't care for any of them.

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
Is it that the person breaking the promise this time is likable to many viewers?

I don't think that's a factor in this situation. This deal was literally too good to be true. If Ollie wasn't so greedy and gullible to think Dan would send his own person home he wouldn't have egg on his face right now. If he wanted the things he demanded, he shouldn't have dropped. His arrogance got him in trouble.

In Kaysar's case, it was completely different. She turned around and evicted Kaysar. Ollie stayed safe this week.

Not only did Ollie want Dan to put up one of his own (Memphis) Ollie wanted to pick the POV replacement AND decide who went home in case of a tie, which was Hoh's position. Inotherwords he wanted to BE HOH w/o being HOH. Since that is impossible, he looks way more foolish than Kaysar ever did.

Since Ollie kept making up more parts of the deal, I'm surprised he didn't go as far as to say Dan had to give him the $500,000 if he won. He needed a wakeup call.

Chippy
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08-16-2007

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chippy a private message Print Post    
Dan kept asking Ollie, "What else do ya need?" Dan agreed to all of it. Yes, so did Ollie, and yes, it's a well known fact that deals are made to be broken. Obviously, Dan had no intention of following through. We knew that. But Ollie kept being reassured by Dan over and over again that he was keeping his word. He could have just as easily told Ollie the truth after the fact and yet he chose to prolong the deceipt for his big (hardly) finale at the POV meeting that we all saw so cheesily orchestrated before hand. I think Dan made a royal ass out of himself at that meeting and lost a bunch of jury votes. If that was his intention, he got the gold.