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The TVClubHouse: Big Brother 10 ARCHIVES: Big Brother 10 - Part 7: Ollie vs. Kaysar: Archive through August 26, 2008 users admin

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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Both Ollie and Kaysar gave up the HOH as the result of a promise by the HOH winner.

Many people were terribly upset when Jen broke her promise. Howie went around the house screaming insults to many people's delight.

However, it seems that the majority opinion here is that Dan is playing a great game and would have been stupid to keep his promise and that Ollie shouldn't have been so upset. And most people like Dan a lot.

What's the difference?

Is it that the person breaking the promise this time is likable to many viewers?

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Pretty much Jimmer...

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
It definitely seems to be who's the one breaking the promise.

But I do like your comparison, because I do think a lot of viewers who booed Jen, praised Dan.

It's a conundrum.

Debra
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11-20-2003

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Debra a private message Print Post    
It's been done before with Kaysar vs Jen and then with Sheila vs Natalie. They should not fall for it again and again. Don't trust anyone.

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Earthmother a private message Print Post    
yep!!!that's my reason Jimmer..

Mnemosyne
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08-25-2008

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mnemosyne a private message Print Post    
Guilty as charged. I'll admit it. I must have cursed Jen six ways from Sunday that season for breaking her word to Kaysar, one of my faves. I don't think Dan should have broken his word, and I still don't quite understand why he didn't just go after Jerry, who no one would have blamed him wanting to get rid of. But yeah, I like Dan more than Jen, and haven't been as hard on him...so I'm guilty!

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Here's the difference for me:

Jen promised on her family not to do what she did. But she did it anyway.

Dan's promise on family was not to put Ollie up. The rest of his promises were NOT on family.
Dan kept the promise he made on family.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Promises shmomises! People pretty much hated Jen and pretty much like Dan...

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Jul...I don't "hate" ANY of them. Never have.
Since the question was posed, I answered my opinion of it.
It has absolutely nothing to do with "hate" or
"like" for me.

Sarasmile
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02-09-2007

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sarasmile a private message Print Post    
I don't post often, but I wanted to say that in this instance, the difference for me was that it's very common for the last 2 in an endurance comp to make a promise to keep the other person safe. For the most part, Kaysar was making a good gamble because it is relatively easy to keep one person safe. The "deal" that Dan made was ridiculous being three parts and giving Ollie almost complete power. Ollie was being very naive to think that he could trust anyone to that extent - keep yourself safe is the primary concern at all times in BB.


Oh - and I also had a huge crush on Kaysar, so he really could do no wrong

Archiecat
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08-16-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Archiecat a private message Print Post    
Dr Will, Kaysar and Dan never did any wrong!!!!

Kminfinity
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06-29-2005

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kminfinity a private message Print Post    
Good point Sara... Kaysar asked for a reasonable deal. Reasonable to expect it to be honored.

Ollie's deal was so unreasonable he was crowing in the DR that he was the actual HoH. It was foolish, especially for people who follow the game and remember how Kaysar got burned.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
I really resent you pointing out my inconsistencies Jimmer!

I think there are 2 main reasons for the differences in responses to the very similiar events:

1. as you pointed out...the "friendship" and Jen were not very well liked and Kaysar was beloved by many.

2. many of us now are "more matured" viewers and view this game less emotionally now and more for gamesmanship.

Thats my story! lol

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 5:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Bee, I wasn't singling you out or anything. Tons of people loved Kaysar/hated Jen and love Dan... :-)

Nick
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07-31-2004

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 6:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nick a private message Print Post    
I thought Kaysar was foolish to let go and I thought Ollie was as well.. I didn't like Jen and I like Dan but I don't fault either of them for breaking their promises..

Lajonesin
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03-22-2008

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lajonesin a private message Print Post    
Kminfinity, couldn't have said it better myself! ITA

Scubalass
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07-01-2004

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 6:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scubalass a private message Print Post    
Endurance is just that .... don't drop if you want to be safe ... deals are made to be broken in the BB house! MHO

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 6:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
Excellent question, good to see some debate in her again.

1. it all has to do with who did it and who it was done to. one of my favorite saying s in her is having "rose colored glasses" when it comes to ones favorites in the game.

2. as far as ollie asking to much, wasnt Dan who was offering it all to ollie and didnt dan swear on family, girlfriend and his school??

i like dan, i have no problem with him going back on his deal, i just wish he would have put ollie up instead of michelle.


Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 6:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
respectively disagree with you boberg. i think in here people are more with emotions than with just game.
big brother just brings it out in people.


Bbbabe
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08-18-2005

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bbbabe a private message Print Post    
Jen acted very smug from the second Kayser let go of button, winking at the friendship. I did not like that part of it

Archiecat
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08-16-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Archiecat a private message Print Post    
...And, Ollie immediately broke the deal himself by running to Michelle and Jerry to tell the deal after he promised not to.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
doesnt really matter since dan was going to break the deal anyways. ollie was the fool for accepting such an outrageous deal

Cruzlvr
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11-13-2003

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cruzlvr a private message Print Post    
With me it is a little of what everyone said in here. LOL
I admit I liked Kaysar and didn't like Jen and her crew. But also felt Jen should have kept her word cause it was just to not nom Kaysar. She had other people from his side she could have put up.

I don't like Ollie and his crew and I like Dan. OTH I think Dan should have kept his word to not put Ollie up. For the rest of the deal, I feel someone would have to be a complete moron to think someone else would throw all that power to them. Yes Dan offered it, but Ollie was a fool to believe it. Also Dan did not promise on his family/Monica for the rest of the deal. He only promises on his family/Monica in regards to keeping Ollie safe, which he did.

I also did not like how Ollie was acting so cocky and think he got what he deserved in that aspect.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
at least Dan didnt wink at the camera when he made the deal.

I think it's shitty to have it done to you, I also think it's stupid to fall for it.