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Stopthemadness
Member
07-15-2005
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 8:48 pm
Jimmer, I really don't think the age difference in the girls and Jerry really plays a part in how I feel about Jerry (okay maybe a little), I am in fact 10 years older then my husband. What I do find offensive is that Jerry portrays himself as a grandfatherly type guy, harmless and loving and then gropes a girl young enough to be his granddaughters breasts. I would hope never to see my grandfather grabing another young landy or asking if any of them want to go to his room and have sex. I guess to sum it all up, if he wants to be the sweet grandpa type that is great but don't use it to your advantage to cop feels from all the young ladies. That is just my opinion and the vibe I get from him.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:02 pm
Jimmer I agree that if one of the parties wants it to stop then it should stop immediately... if they are both consenting then go for it... But here, April is saying (though maybe not to Jerry) that she wants it to stop... she is not consenting... You ask at what age.. well I think we all have our own personal beliefs on that... Some are attracted to younger men, some are attracted to the middle age man and some go for the older man... it is a personal choice. Gosh was it Keesha who said Memphis was off limits because he was 4 years younger (her sister's age) we all have our own preferences...
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:06 pm
I see what you mean Stop. You are suggesting that Jerry is acting under some sort of false pretense. That he shouldn't present a grandfatherly image and still find younger women attractive. The problem is that most (all?) grandfathers were attracted to young women at one point. LOL – That is how they eventually became grandfathers. Why then is it surprising or repulsive that an older man would continue to find young women attractive? All of that said, I do understand how people could think that Jerry may be using a friendly grandfatherly persona as a pretense in a disingenuous way to hug the women in a "friendly" manner when his thoughts may be more than friendly. Nevertheless (Jerry's age and marital status aside – which are other issues) it is also somewhat disingenuous and unrealistic of April to assume that a man would know that she would not want to be hugged and complain about it to others, given that she previously invited him to touch her breasts. If she were to tell Jerry not to do it and he continued then that would be completely different and unacceptable on his part. I agree Bonbon that everyone has different feelings and different comfort zones. The key is expressing those feelings in a way that is clear to the other person rather than demeaning him or her behind their back.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:15 pm
yes Jimmer, but what about the other women in the house who also are uncomfortable... They have not invited him to "take a touch"
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Stopthemadness
Member
07-15-2005
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:17 pm
Jimmer, I agree that if April doesn't want Jerry to hug her anymore then she should tell him not to and not talk about him behind his back. If she is unable to tell him herself then she should ask someone to intercede on her behalf and ask him to stop.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:30 pm
I thought that April was the main person complaining. If everyone in the house is friendly in a touchy feely kind of way and that is Jerry's normal behavior, it is fairly reasonable of Jerry to feel he would be included unless told otherwise. If the other women have the same concerns as April and it is bothering them, they should just tell him or ask Big Brother to tell him. I don't think it is fair for them to expect him to behave differently otherwise. Of course, this is Big Brother. You can vote out or work against someone for any reason and it often isn't fair. That has surely been demonstrated in the past.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:56 pm
If April feels that Jerry did something inappropriate, she should address it directly with Jerry rather than talking to others in the house about it. If she is uncomfortable going to Jerry, she should go into the diary room. If it happened, they will have it on tape, even if it wasn't on the live feeds. If it didn't happen, they know that, too.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 10:36 pm
Old men have no idea they are old and therefore repulsive. They still think they are 21, even if they are grandfathers. I find it just amazing, yet true. I had a work colleague get fired over it. He had always been a stud and did not realize he had quit being a stud just because he got old. Bigdog doesn't really believe it when I tell him young women think old men are repulsive. He has a friend in his late 50's who still hits on 23 year old waitresses, while I am throwing up in my plate in sympathy with the dear young thing just trying to earn good tips and being polite.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 10:48 pm
Well, I can tell you this. I am an old woman, 65 years old, and I don't want to be hugged by old men. Just don't touch me and don't try to grab a feel. Bleh. Just because I am old doesn't mean I am desparate to be hugged.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, July 21, 2008 - 10:52 pm
Jerry is lonely, he is having a hard time with his wife's alzheimer and having to place her in a home care place... Just as a point of clarity. Jerry's wife is not in a home care place, nor are there plans for her to be. He has made a vow to her that as long as he is capable, she won't be. He has mentioned family and neighbors caring for her...in their home...in his absense.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 12:02 am
What Bee said.. he is NOT planning to put her away; she suggested it might come to that and he should do that. And she has Parkinson's not Alzheimer's. He even talked of how he's been working out to maintain his body strength so he will be physically able to care for her when that time comes. And just how hard that will be when he loses his best friend, if she dies first. I think if ANY of them have a problem with anyone's actions they should go directly TO that person. Now, this being BB and people seizing on the most infinitesimal slight to turn against a person, I do see that since Jerry was immediately (almost) HOH, that if he was giving his goodnight hugs, some of them might possibly have refrained from complaining for fear of being put up.. that might be valid until after they had the POV ceremony and nominations were set. But when April thrust her boobs into Jerry's face, after several other people had felt her up, at her request, he also might have felt that if he rejected her, it could be used against him. He's been trying to go with the flow. Way back with Gerry, he was accused of staring at the women in the shower and called a pervert, which could have been detrimental to his teaching career, if believed, and back then we didn't have youtube. Jack (who I liked very much) actually did tend to overdo the remarks about Erika's bikini, but since that didn't seem to bother her, wasn't an issue. I think Jen's "reason" for refusing to have Dick touch her in that early competition was because he was a smoker. Personally, even though I haven't had much feed time, I've watched some and some BBAD and April (and she's not the only one) seems quite capable of creating situations based on what she supposed.. remember when she got into it rolling her eyes and accusing Keesha (to others) of flipping, and then later had a huge crying tantrum, claiming that Brian had the votes to stay. Uh, no..
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Jhezzie
Member
07-05-2001
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 12:17 am
I just love how April, thrusting her breasts out for Jerry to feel, yelling, "Come on, Jerry! Come on, Jerry!" has turned into 'grabbing.' Like he snuck up on her in a hallway and groped the poor, unsuspecting, thing.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 12:40 am
I have read this whole thread. What started with 'Did Jerry crawl into April's bed" has become a very different conversation. People, Jerry is a man. An older man, but a man. His wife is ill. He was 'commanded' to confirm that Aprils breasts were real the first night. He hugs the girls. (facts) If the women don't like it, let them all speak up. I don't think BB would let in a closet perv, but we all need to be careful and set boundries. April didn't do that. I am not saying anyone can do anything they want to do to her. But her actions on the first night made her apppear more sexually liberal. (later experinces too) So while they are all ignoring Jerry except on a superficial basis, he is execpted to know the new rules. May/December romances are not a myth. His wife is ill and some hot sweetie wants him to touch her breasts! He's old...........he isn't dead. By this point I am sure the DR has told him what the immature girls haven't been able to say. Sexuallity does not have an expiration date.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 1:12 am
Well said, Mummy.
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Mummy35332
Member
09-09-2005
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 1:23 am
TY Bee.
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Seattlemom
Member
05-10-2005
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 2:29 am
My Dad is 93 and the last time I saw him a year ago before he moved to Florida, I swear he flirted with more woman than any person I know! He has always been this way. It has driven my sisters and I crazy all our lives. He was a legand in his own mind!!!! And it wasn't for lack of trying.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 5:40 am
Ack, I hope that being old doesn't mean you are repulsive. I couldn't show my face around here.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 6:26 am
There is still quite a bit of discrimination in America (and Canada). Much of it involves race. I also think that there is an awful lot of discrimination based on age. Let's start with the almost automatic assumption that old people are not as good-looking or that they are ugly. Then we can move on to many other perceived inadequacies. Plus the horror that old people might still be interested in sex or worse still find a younger person attractive. The irony of an America that is obsessed with youth but doesn't expect older people to find youth attractive. Even some people who would be horrified at the idea of April saying that Jerry shouldn't touch her just because he is black or gay are perfectly okay with the idea that he shouldn't touch her just because he is old. Plus they feel that Jerry should just know this despite her previous invitations to the contrary. It's don't be proud of your age. Cover up those wrinkles and gray hair. I'd hoped that the above would change with the aging baby boomer population and that being old would no longer be such a negative. Sadly, it doesn't seem that way. Older people aren't repulsive. Older people are just the same as you and me. They have the same souls. They just happen to be living in older bodies.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 6:42 am
I once asked my grandmother (86 yrs old) who was recouperating at our home after an accident what she missed the most after my grand dad died, She said she missed his arms around her. Your never too old.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 7:20 am
Whatever you think about April, it is foolish for Jerry to risk being labelled the "dirty old man" in this game. I think he crosses the line- not just in hugging, but in the things he says, like the time a couple of days ago when he offered to give tutorials on the correct way to masturbate. Young people don't want their elders to be that familiar- they want them to maintain some dignity. On some level they want to look up to them. Why do you think Jerry and Renny were the two top picks for the first HOH? While the kids may be disgusted at the idea of having sex with them, they did look up to them as being more mature leaders. I think Jerry made an understandable mistake in touching April's boobs- he could have just laughed and said "I don't think my heart could take that" and no offense would have been given. Instead he chose to act like a 20 year old and risked losing the respect of the young hgs. No one has really bonded with Jerry- look at Renny, who wised up pretty quick that she needed to reign herself in. She's behaved perfectly- a good sport, but restrained and motherly. Imagine if she was hugging all the guys with obvious lecherous enjoyment? It would lead to her quick exit out of the house and she would look like a fool. This may be Jerry's fate if he isn't careful.
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Jushvnfn
Member
07-29-2006
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 7:26 am
I don't know how to do youtube so if you are around Bee, or anyone else, at the end of the the clip, from poster Lostarchives marked BB10-07/22: Libra angry HGs telling story/laughing you can hear April telling Libra and Ollie that she can't believe that he (Jerry) crawled into bed with her this morning.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 7:41 am
April decided to use this against Jerry later in the day after talking to Ollie. Call it game play or whatever on Aprils part. April nor Jerry will win this season. They are both playing a terrible game.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 10:05 am
Here's the YouTube Jush references: http://youtube.com/watch?v=f7LgwwQrN2Q
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 10:24 am
I will turn 65 next month. I am female. I am taking Oom Yung Doe, a form of karate that is extremely strenuous. I keep up with the class. No one takes it easy on me. The instructors have said that I am an inspiration to the younger students. It is fun for me to be around young people. We respect each other and enjoy each other's company. Jimmer, thank you for your comment about everybody being the same, we have the same souls. I think one of the most beautiful faces in the world was that of Mother Teresa.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 10:46 am
I think that April started it by inviting the boob touch. I think Jerry is fine hugging the women, and doesn't mean any harm. Only once April started the BS rumor that Jerry spponed her, did all the other lemmings follow sit and build April's case up by going, "Oh he hugs me too and I'm grossed out!" We all saw how Michael was turned into a child molester in the minds of Maggie and Ivette and April in that season, even though Jen originally was the one flirting with Michael (until he became a pariah and then she said he touched her against her wishes). Then, anything Michael did, anyone he looked at, became some sort of perverted advance, or a leer instead of just a human with their eyes open. How DARE he open his eyes! I'm sorry, this is much ado about nothing. These women are acting like cowards if they are going to complain about it behind his back, and NOT say anything to his face. If it REALLY happened, and if EVERYONE has been sooooooo assaulted by Jerry, then call a house meeting, call him out on the shit you're saying he does, and tell him it's unacceptable. Jerry is a fun guy, can roll with the dirty and young humor, but he also is a proud man, and I think he takes his wife and military service VERY seriously, and we see he governs himself in the house with those two things in mind at all times. When he lied, he took off his military garb, because he didn't want to embarrass the service. I don't think he's wearing the garb and purposely trying to catch a grope on 24/7 live feeds and national TV. I think the more BELIEVABLE story is that April made it up, and all of the other people are afraid to call her out on it, and they start adding in their own fake stuff, so they don't put a target on THEIR backs.
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