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Archive through January 19, 2005

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Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
wow, what a mess of past and present tenses with a lot of dyslexia thrown in for good measure...add to that the excuses--as kitt pointed out--and it looks like a recipe for "dysfunctional".

Lycanthrope
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09-19-2002

Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 1:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jonathan is one messed up dude. I hope he watches the show and realizes he needs serious help.

Mizbitt
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10-03-2004

Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jonathan is rude and uncaring to everyone not just Victoria. Look how he was with the Father Daughter couple keeping at them about stealing his plane tickets. I can't see how Victoria stays with him he is a disgrace.

Mamie316
Member

07-08-2003

Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know that Jonathan will watch the show and say he has been misshown. He will say it is all in the editing.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, he's not likeable in any way. I wonder if he'll realise after seeing himself.

Brenda1966
Member

07-03-2002

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He's too arrogant to realize anything. He's also able to turn on the charm when he wants to (and get help from the locals) so I'm sure he thinks he's simply wonderful!

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone notice the round bruises on Victoria's upper arms last night?

Forum_moderator
Moderator

01-01-2004

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 4:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Remember, even though we have strong feelingsa about Jonathan, he still falls under the no bashing contraints..

<QT>

Ar_jammer
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11-17-2004

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just watched the show again. I found it hard to see the marks until the soup eating and when they opened the clue telling them to go to the pitstop. The marks very well could be bruises.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 11:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I noticed them especially one of the (many) times they were getting into a taxi..

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 7:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hera says Victoria "gives as much as she gets," and what we "don't see that."
Jonathan Baker has a defender: fellow The Amazing Race 6 teammate Hera McLeod, who was eliminated this week along with her father, Gus. While Hera tells the AP that she "was shocked to see how they [Victoria and Jonathan] interacted with each other on television," she says that "That's not the Jonathan and Victoria I saw most of the time. She gives as much as she gets. You just don't see that, which is a shame." So has that which we've seen been unreal? Have the editors been manipulating us? Or is someone doing damage control because Jonathan and Victoria actually win, thus forcing all of us Race fans to bury our faces in our hands and rock back and forth like babies and say "no no no no" and wish that that <> Flo would win eight thousand more times instead of subjecting us to this utterly disappointing and crushing travesty?

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/


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Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hera is not the only one saying this, so I don't think it's damage control. I'm really beginning to wonder if we are being manipulated by CBS. I don't doubt that Jonathan is a (insert your own adjective here), but what's really happening here?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wonder too, Lady.

what did I cut and paste wrong, 314?

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think what is really happening is, like every other year, the producers single one person to be the villain. (Colin, Flo, etc.) And it seems like any number of these people could have fit easily into the villain role, but Jonathan was probably the one to give them the most dramatic footage. Had he kept his mouth shut more often, I'm sure his portrayal would be very different.

Moderator
Moderator

06-30-2002

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Texannie, even copied and pasted comments, including articles, must be in line with TVCH posting guidelines and are subject to moderation as well.

~ModND

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh..didn't realize they were out of line. Sorry!

Spear
Member

08-06-2001

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There's an Insider clip on the CBS web site where Kris describes Jonathan's behavior and that may be a more accurate picture of what he's really like (at least around the other racers). She says it's like a Jekyll-and-Hyde thing -- Jonathan is usually a nice guy but he will abruptly switch into "Victoria!!"-shouting mode. She was making jokes about it so she probably thought it wasn't serious but she may not have seen him at his worst.


Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Don't forget, too, that many of what WE see the other contestants don't. As they are not always running around together. Many of J's rants at V have been when others were NOT around.

And Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde sounds about right to me. I was wondering that earlier, the way he flips from one extreme to the other.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
report: Jonathan tried to quit the race after his "role-playing got out of hand."
Yet another excuse from The Amazing Race 6 Jonathan Baker has made its way to us. This one is an extension of the I-was-playing-a-character excuse, which of course was preceded by other excuses; once upon a time, he even blamed stress and medication. This, um, explanation comes via an anonymous friend, so it's not even admissible to Judge Judy, but oh well. After shoving Victoria, Jonathan actually "tried to quit the show. But producers talked him into staying in the race, telling him the series had 'never had a character like him,'" the New York Post reports, citing one of Jonathan's friends. Just like Jonathan, the friend finds a way to blame Victoria for all of this: "If she hadn't been there [on the show], he would have owned the part [of the bad guy]. He would have been the most infamous character on reality TV ever. But how do you own a piece-of-shit character like a wife abuser? At the end of the day, he's just hoping that the press doesn't crucify him." No need to get the press involved: fans will gladly crucify him. Getting even weirder, Dick Van Patten's son Jimmy, a friend of Jonathan and Victoria's, defends the couple. He says, "They're not like that in real life. Honestly, I've never heard him speak to her like that."

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

"If she hadn't been there [on the show], he would have owned the part [of the bad guy]. He would have been the most infamous character on reality TV ever. ..."


So that was his goal? To be the "most infamous character" on reality TV?

And:

quote:

Jonathan actually "tried to quit the show. But producers talked him into staying in the race, telling him the series had 'never had a character like him.'


So what? I don't watch TAR to watch "characters." I watch to see how teams work together to make it through each leg. I watch it to see regular normal people mad dash through various parts of the world (that I've yet to see) and how they overcome some obstacles (including fears) to reach the final pit stop first.

If TAR is gonna start to stoop to the methods of other reality shows, and start to cast for specific "characters," then I am definitely gonna boycott this show. For five seasons, I've been an avid fan. This season is making this show one of my least favorite shows. If this trend continues next year, I'm sending an email blast to CBS!!! They had a winning formula and I think they have now tinkered it beyond recognition. And I think they have ruined it.

Sure, some conflict is interesting. It's always interesting to watch the couple relationships either overcome or succumb to the stresses of the game. But I don't tune in to watch a "character" nor do I tune it to help a wanna be whatever promote his/her own agenda.

Gen
Member

08-22-2003

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Cost, I too, have been a fan for several years. The appeal to me, was that you were able to see various parts of the world that you probably would never be able to see and you were able to see how ordinary people solved the problems placed in front of them.

With this season, it seems like they have dumbed down the "characters" involved. Instead of people there for the experience, now they have started casting for specific types. That is not the way to go.

Hobbs
Member

08-05-2002

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I keep hearing that AOL voice saying, "Goodbye"

Jasper
Member

09-14-2000

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i find it very hard to believe Jonathon thought of leaving and had to be "talked" into staying.

I've never been so happy to see two contestants come in last.

Lumbele
Member

07-12-2002

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!h2

Scorpiomoon
Member

06-06-2002

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 5:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You guys are not going to believe this...

I just saw on Entertainment Tonight that J/V will be on a Dr. Phil special in Feb. It will be about relationships and problems couples have (obviously). It will be a primetime special on CBS.