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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 10:12 pm
i remember that in a taxi, taximom. he wanted to 'elbow' her and stopped himself at the last minute...
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 11:42 pm
Yep, I saw that too. Victoria also flinched and recoiled when he did it.
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Hootyhoot
Member
12-18-2001
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:30 am
Tabbyking ... that is a heartbreaking story. Especially to think that at one time you thought the world of this abuser. I am so glad you had the strength to get out ... I hope you've had a good life since those awful days.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 6:46 pm
yep, remarried, 8 maturing years after my first marriage, have two great kids and things are very nice! thanks, hooty!
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 17, 2004 - 7:43 pm
Tabbyking that is wonderful! You remind me of someone close to me who was able to do something similar, except they had the good fortune of extricating themselves very quickly early on in their first marriage. It's nice to hear this kind of story.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 9:14 am
jimmer, thanks. i got out early, too. i was married 30 days. imagine those who stay forever! the 8 years was between my marriages--i was very careful about who i even dated. if i got a negative feeling at all, the guy was history! i had a cat who had pretty good radar, too. if she didn't like the guy, she was right! i had this cat when i was married and my first husband used to terrorize her, too, to make me 'stay in line'. he would put clothespins on her tail and choke her if i was late from work, etc. so, stardust and i pretty well both had our antennae out on future love interests! although i was only married for 30 days, it was a terrifying year or so before i was out from under his reach. it was worse than the married time, since i never knew where he would pop up!
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Monday, December 20, 2004 - 10:42 am
The Sunday NY Times had a large article on the front of the travel section about Iceland being the IN clubbing place. The entire above the fold was a color picture of the Blue Lagoon filled with people recovering from their hangovers.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 2:09 pm
ARTICLE ABOUT JONATHAN/VICTORIA. Interesting, though I personally disagree with the comparisons w/Omarosa -- I think this guy's issues are a whole different thing altogether. But that's just me. http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/36884.htm NEW YORK POST 'RACE' WITH THE DEVIL By DON KAPLAN December 21, 2004 -- JONATHAN Baker — the foul- tempered, world-trekker on "The Amazing Race 6" who has scandalized fans with his berating abuse of his wife on the streets of Berlin — was so out of control producers told him to "chill out" before last week's infamous shoving episode. "I had many conversations with him," executive producer Bertram van Munster told The Post yesterday. "I told him you've got to tone it down, you have to stop this kind of stuff, it's not cool — until then, I'd never given advice to a reality show player before to chill out." On last week's edition of the show, Baker, 42, shoved his wife, former Playboy pinup Victoria Fuller, 32, in anger, and yelled at her as she tearfully struggled to carry both of their heavy backpacks across the finish line during a challenge. As a result, they came in second. The Internet has lit up with talk among outraged fans who have turned Baker into the kind of reality-TV villain that hasn't been seen since bad-girl Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth turned up on "The Apprentice" last spring. "I would have never believed anything could happen like this," says van Munster. "I had warned him over and over again, but if he doesn't want to listen, there's nothing I can do about it. "I told him the camera can be used in many ways — it's a dangerous instrument and there comes a point where you can't change [what it sees] — I've been very fair with him." Because the Bakers have not yet been eliminated from the series, fans of the show will find out tonight how low the husband might stoop. "I had a very firm talk with him that night," van Munster says. "But he keeps on being Jonathan, although there's no more pushing and shoving, I can tell you that." "The editing wasn't kind to me, was it?" Baker said in an interview with the Providence Journal last month. "Victoria and I are like any married couple, we fight sometimes, but not like that. . . . We do love each other. But the way we're represented, I'm abusing her." "All of us have our faults," Baker wrote this week on his personal Web site. "Unfortunately for me, millions of viewers are getting to see mine each week. I do not abuse Victoria, what you see is a heightened version of stress and obsession mixed with medication for a sickness called Sarcoidosis." Sarcoidosis is a rare disease that causes inflammation of the body's tissues and one that affects different people in different ways. "We were not aware of it and whether this is fact or fiction I don't know," says van Munster.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 2:12 pm
AND HERE'S ONE FROM USATODAY. My comment: sucks that J/V's personal website, which is basically a promo to try to increase their "fame," is getting so much media attention. I bet they're loving this. http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2004-12-20-amazing-race_x.htm Treatment of wife puts Jonathan in last place with viewers By Ann Oldenburg, USA TODAY Reality shows love a bad guy or gal. One competitor usually emerges as the villain in any group elimination scenario. Remember: •The Apprentice's Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth, whose egotism and ineptitude became legendary. •Survivor: Pearl Islands' Jon Dalton, who lied about his grandmother dying just to get ahead. •Real World's third-season villain, Puck Rainey, who was kicked out of the house for his meanness and disrespect. •Big Brother's Justin Sebik, who in the second season was removed from the house for holding a knife to a female roommate's throat. Now, add hot-tempered Los Angeles entrepreneur Jonathan Baker to the reality-show scoundrel hall of fame with his behavior on CBS' The Amazing Race. (A new episode airs Tuesday at 8 ET/PT.) Last week on the Emmy-winning show, teams were running to the episode's finish line in Berlin. Race's 10.6 million viewers, who had heard Jonathan, 42, berate and argue with his wife, artist/model Victoria Fuller, 32, over the past four episodes, saw him not only yell at her but also shove her. Jonathan had dropped his backpack so that he could sprint faster to the finish line. Victoria had picked up his pack and was tearfully struggling to carry it along with her own backpack. Slowing just a bit to wait for her, a furious Jonathan shoved her, screaming, "Why did you pick up my bag?" A sobbing Victoria wailed: "Jon, stop it." They stepped on the mat, a close second. Victoria, still crying, walked away. Unflappable host Phil Keoghan suggested to the panting and angry Jonathan: "You'd better go and talk to Victoria." It was the first time such an intense scene aired on Race, says executive producer Bertram Van Munster. "This came as a big surprise. You can absolutely see that Phil was stunned. We were all stunned." The day after the show aired, TV message boards were flooded with viewer comments denouncing Jonathan. At realitytvworld.com, he is referred to as "Scumbag" in the episode recap. At realitytvcalendar.com, reader e-mails called for his disqualification. This week's TV Guide gives Jonathan and Victoria a "D, for Deplorable Behavior." Although not allowed to talk before Race's February finale, Baker did post a message of apology at his Weblog, www.jonathanbakerandvictoriafuller.com. "All of us have our faults. Unfortunately for me, millions of viewers are getting to see mine each week. I do not abuse Victoria, what you see is a heightened version of stress and obsession mix with medication for a sickness called sarcoidosis," an inflammation of the organ tissues. He admits he "set out to be the villain" but "not to Victoria." He adds: "I am deeply saddened by the story line that CBS went with. I am sorry for my actions, I am sorry to Victoria. Most of all I am sorry to the fans." So should fans expect to see Jonathan getting worse as the race progresses? "No, no," Van Munster says. "That was the beginning, the middle and the end of it. The guy is actually a nice guy."
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 2:14 pm
Lol,meds that make you shove people? heee heeee give it up all ready.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 2:48 pm
I doubt his condition, if it even exists, caused his behavior - but meds can make people more emotional and impulsive than normal. So, if someone had an impulse to shove that they could ordinarily contain - YES - some meds might inhibit a person's ability to quash that impulse.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 2:52 pm
I think if the producer felt the need to warn Jonathan that warning should have been made part of the show. It's inappropriate to show the behavior, but not show that the producer thought it was "not ok". This reminds me of the current reality TV show "The Biggest Loser". News reports and media regarding the show claim the contestents are under medical supervision - but they never bother to put it in what's shown on the show. Leaving the impression that it's ok to barely eat and work out 5 plus hours a day for weeks on end without seeing a doctor. If they feel the need to qualify something in the press, they should actually PUT IT IN THE TV SHOW.
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Jedisan
Member
01-11-2002
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 5:34 pm
Amen GIna - we will see what happens tonite.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 8:12 pm
I wonder if they are saying that now that they see how repulsed the viewers are by Jon
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:53 pm
hmmm...tonight: he got evicted from a taxi for his screaming and ordering the driver around. yeah, he's really a nice guy.....sheesh!
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 11:09 pm
Gina the part about medical supervision is clearly shown at the end of each Biggest Loser.. but still, that isn't what they are SHOWING people and it can be very dangerous. And for TAR.. well.. Jonathan wasn't all that nice to her this week.. I mean give him a blue ribbon, he didn't shove her. and he simply wouldn't leave Gus alone.. For heaven's sake he's travelled, not stuck under a rock and has to know that there are multiple places to get tickets and Gus and Hera simply outsmarted/outguessed them and went to the travel agent.. give it UP. I noticed at the end of this ep, Jonathan was bulling into the Net Cafe first, even though they arrived third.. but for all the whining of "unfaiiiir" to Gus, there is no way he would stay in order unless there was a ticket or sign up board.. (too bad..). Just a most unattractive persentation. And he isn't alone.. lots of ugliness this year.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 9:46 am
Folks over at Sucks have noticed she has bruising on her upper arm that looks like it is from Jonathan grabbing her hard. They also pointed out that the producer Bertram van something is the same producer of the Real World who decided to NOT kick off Steven after he struck Irene. This is just disturbing all the way around.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:03 pm
I am really not comfortable at all with that speculation. I also noticed that Hera had a bruise on her arm at one point -- and no one is saying a word about that. I cannot stand Jonathan, and I am one who believes his verbal tirades ARE abuse and abusive. However, I don't feel comfortable speculating more than we are able to know -- and that includes bruises that may or may not have been caused by something innocent.
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:12 pm
i agree with yankee on this one. yes i noticed the bruising, but heck you should see the one on my upper left arm for whamming into a display case at bingo last thursday. with the kinds of challenges that these people are doing, there have been some injuries that have needed medical treatment. some we have seen, others we have not. speculating on someone's injuries just starts more rumors.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:33 pm
I have a huge bruise on my leg, and still have no clue WHERE it came from. I don't recall ever feeling any pain in the last few days that would constitute this bruise. I'm with Yankee on this one too. This game is physically demanding. Who knows, a bruise could have been from their being tied up for the bungee challenge. I don't think it's fair to say Jonathan did it until we know it for a fact.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:39 pm
I have to agree re: bruises.. both ways.. we cannot simply blame her bruises on him (but we certainly, if we were around them in real life) be suspicious and watch him more closely. Heck, just the bungy jumping would give them bruises from the harness or from holding onto their own arms for dear life! I get bruises all the time Gina that is an interesting nexus with that producer from RW Seattle.. hmmm.. the RW AND RR people, heck even IF they are kicked off they still get rewarded with more publicity and get to go on the challenges. RW, which I loved from the early seasons, has become a mostly boring, irritating show to get thru just to have a little familiarity with the people because we know they will be in the challenges.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:41 pm
Not to pile on here, but I think there has already been far to much speculation. Everyone gets bruises for a variety of reasons. One bruise doesn't prove anything. I'm not saying that people here are doing this, but I also think that some people at some internet sites are getting a little too much "enjoyment" out of discussing this. A bit hypocritical to say the least.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 1:27 pm
I think it is ok to speculate and wonder, I don't think it is ok to conclude. I have seen way to many conclusions posted about Jonathan that evidence has not warrented. That is completely unfair. However, there is a great deal to speculate about. Personally, I do not bruise easily, but just like many other people I occasionally find a doozy that I have no clue how I obtained it - especially when I worked outdoors or in the woods. These guys are on a race and getting banged up a lot - but still it is odd they are in the exact place and appearance of bruises left from grabbing hard on someone's shoulder. Still, if I was in a race and someone grabbed me hard to pull me in the correct direction, I would not call that abuse. We don't know where they came from or if they were left there in anger. Thinking back on my own life, I remember once standing in a river while doing vegetation surveys and losing my balance. I grabbed my coworker so damn hard to stop from falling in the water (nothing like getting chestwaders full of river water). I'm sure I left bruises, but I'm also sure I did not "abuse" him.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 1:33 pm
The problem is that it is very easy for speculations to become conclusions. Someone speculates somewhere and then someone else reports that speculation as a conclusion. However, I do agree Gina that there is nothing wrong with reasonable speculation itself and if I could I would re-write my above post using the word conclusion rather than speculation.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 2:27 pm
One of the problems is that some of the posters at sux take things, blow them up, they go other places, get blown up more, and so on and so on. They are known over there for being rather inflammatory, so I take what I read over there with a grain or two of salt.
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