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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 11:26 am
Great article. love the ditch your grape-stomping ass line. Too bad they dont have penalty evictions like they have on BB on this show.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 11:49 am
quote:When Victoria pointed that fact out to him—shrilly, to be sure—he raised the back of his hand to her face.
I thought that was Bolo and Lori.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 11:53 am
Don't miss the NY Post article I posted above the Slate one. Unbelievable...
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 12:16 pm
I dont buy one word of that article. The only amusing bit was Dick Van Patten arguing that it is really hard to play nice guys. What else would Dick Van Patten say since that is all he ever played.
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Blacksheep
Member
10-18-2003
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 12:45 pm
"They're not like that in real life," says actor Jimmy Van Patten, the son of "Eight is Enough" star Dick Van Patten, and a longtime friend of the couple. "Honestly, I've never heard him speak to her like that." What a stupid argument. Just because someone doesn't witness this in 'real life' doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Often abusers keep that behavior behind closed doors so everyone thinks they are great, but in reality these individuals are the worst abusers out there. Jonathon can say what he wants about his behavior - there is a huge difference between playing the bad guy and being mentally abusive.
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 1:58 pm
In my opinion, there are two types of abusers. First, there is the closet abuser. To the outside world, he is the epitome of a gentleman and would not say boo to a mouse, but once behind closed doors, the mask comes off. The second type of abuser is the one who could care less who sees or hears what he does and usually gets off on having an audience and when called on it, will always blame it on some slight, usually imagined, done to him. They are too sick to realize how bad they look or take responsibility for their actions, but will immediately point it out in one of their own kind. Which category do you think Jonathan falls in? (Rhetorical question)
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 2:03 pm
Even it it is all an act, as Jonathan says, then I'd say it's not a very admirable thing to be acting. Maybe he should be on one of the daytime soaps or something. A character like his is not welcome on TAR. I, too. miss the concept of ordinary people meeting the challenges of TAR. I would like to see CBS get away from casting this for specific characters. It is good to remember, too, that no one is ever sure how they will react when faced with all the elements to this game, ie. fatigue, time changes, different personalities, tense challenges, mind-boggling languages and cultures to maneuver through, etc. It could bring out the best in us (as I think we are seeing in Kris and Jon) or the worst in us as in Aaron and Hayden or Kendra and "Baby".
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 3:22 pm
another great article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6743532/
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 8:39 pm
From Maris' link: quote:This “stunt casting” dilutes the show’s quality. It misses the point that the fun of the show was always watching ordinary people in these situations. And when producers refuse to take action when their cast goes too far, the show suffers.
I have said this since episode 2 (about the stunt casting). Actually, I even had reservations about the casting when I read info on the contestants *before* the first episode aired. I really hope the producers will pay attention. Maybe if they don't win an Emmy for this season, they'll figure it out. In the meantime, they've been filming (or, actually, ought to be done by now) TAR 7. Will next season be as frustrating as this? I guess I can hope... forever the optimist. ETA: I took the insta-poll on the MSNBC site. Fully 92% of the respondents (of 10,862 voters) think Jonathan should be disqualified. As do I. (Really, if he wins $1M, what does that mean for the future of this show?)
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 5:38 am
(Really, if he wins $1M, what does that mean for the future of this show?) I don't think Jonathan winning the $1M will jeapordize this show at all. I believe there are enough of us who (although we think Jon is being a jerk, idiot, etc.) would continue to watch the show because of TAR's other qualities. I also believe that the producers have learned their lesson on this one, and even if they made the same mistake by having another "Jon" personality on TAR7, they will edit the drama into obscurity. I think the future of the show will be just fine.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 7:42 am
I agree Kep. I'd like to see Kris and Jon win, but I’m not going to go into a major pout if one of the other teams win (even if it is Kendra or Hayden or Jonathan/Victoria). 
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 9:03 am
Yeah....every show like this has a bad season every once in a while....so it's just TAR's turn if Jonothan wins it. I'll still watch it. BTW, If the schedule is correct, it appears the finale is going to be 2/8.
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Bbfanatic
Member
08-14-2000
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 10:30 am
I think it was acting. Bad acting!
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Ar_jammer
Member
11-17-2004
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 11:04 am
Yea the future of this show will be just fine... after "Romber" is gone from the next TAR Actually, I was playing the mind game of "who the final 3 teams will be". I am guessing from comments/"spoilers?" that J/V will make the final 3. I think Jonathan's will power will get them there. I don't think Hayden/Aaron will make it. They are currently imploding and driving is a problem. Same goes for Rebecca/Adam but for relationship reasons. So that leaves Lori/Bolo, Jon/Kris, and Freddy/Kendra. My guess here is Lori/Bolo will not survive based on what?... they might be a little slower upstairs? not sure. Their strength advantage wasn't evident in the last episode. The other two teams seems to have what it takes to go on. I might be totally wrong about Freddy/Kendra. The one hanging question is will a yield be used? by who? and will it have significant impact? I know, its way early to do this... Any way. I pick Kris/Jon, Freddy/Kendra, and Jonathan/Victoria to finish in that order. We will see.
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Bbfanatic
Member
08-14-2000
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 12:07 pm
I think they all of the sudden need to be required to switch partners. Just to get them stirred up. It would be fun just to see how the new teams work together. It could be a non-elimination leg. Then the two new teams that finish first switch back at the end of that leg and leave on the next leg at the same time. They could have those two teams compete to see who leaves first. I know its too late for this TAR, but it would be fun in the future. Of the teams left on this race, I would like to see HMMMMM ?? I have to think who I would switch around.
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Bbfanatic
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08-14-2000
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 12:21 pm
I think I would put Jonathon & Bolo together. Especially, since they are both Superheroes . Put a strong woman with a weak, whiny one. That would be Lori with Victoria.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 1:43 pm
Kep, I meant "future of the show" by "if this <acts like a jerk> person can go on the show and be this character, then how many other people of this ilk will apply?" And I do think, if they continue to cast "characters," that the show's ratings will be in jeopardy. There are many fans who like TAR (versus, say BB) because it's normal people. Not characters. Not CASTING wannabe models.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 2:16 pm
They've always more or less cast characters in the sense of how they describe their relationships with each other but they seem to be going more and more over the top with it each season. Though some of the more entertaining contestants were ones that were obviously cast because of certain characteristics (Mirna and Charla for example). My wife and I used to laugh at the description for Chip and Kim which was "Married Parents". Now that's a strange couple! 
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 3:52 pm
I want to be an optimist too, and hope that - while this has been a rather disappointing season - TAR can come back and again captivate me as it once did. But can it really? Seems to me, a race around the world should ALWAYS be exciting, no matter how many times I've seen it done before. And I am still fascinated by the different locales & cultures and jazzed by the tasks (unless they involve eating/drinking or dead animals!). So I don't think my fading interest is due to over-familiarity with the show's format. But something must be wrong because twice this season I've forgotten TAR was on and ended up missing one complete and one partial episode. I know I'm repeating myself but...I miss having FFs for all the preliminary legs. I hate the Yield. Breezy clips of squabbling & strife among couples doesn't entertain me, it just makes me cringe and feel like a voyeur. And then there's the Ugly American behavior that never fails to embarrass me. Lord, I know it wouldn't work but sometimes I wish Phil could sock 'em with a time penalty just for being a**es. Oh, and I wish they'd return to featuring more family & friend teams instead of all the dysfunctional couples. And while everyone has a different opinion of what's funny, this season's contestants seem particularly lacking in the humor department, imho. There's been some really funny players on the show - sometimes their humor was caustic, sometimes self-deprecating, sometimes just goofy. But at least they knew how to laugh. This season's crew is either crabby or bland. The closest I came to a laugh was when Gus wanted another beer!
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, January 14, 2005 - 11:44 pm
I really want to see Kris and Jon win and will be really disappointed if Jonathan and Victoria win, but I'll probably keep watching, hoping for a better season. I seem to do that on a lot of reality shows. Maybe it's me with the major problem! 
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 10:55 am
BTW... they intentionally do not go back to the same places several times in a row (if at all). So, for example, if they were in Amsterdam in Season 4 (which I think they were), they wouldn't go in Season 5 and likely not in Season 6. THAT'S why you don't get bored with locales... they are different each time. Even the starting and ending points are different (although I suspect that's more due to creating an interesting race in the last city than much else!). BTW, someone mentioned somewhere (can't remember where, too lazy to look) that he or she wants someone to use the FF next time. I think there were only two FF this season (unfortunately!) and both have already been made available. So, no more FF. Bummer. I wanna see K/J Yield J/V; L/B Yield H/A; and J/V Yield F/K. Wouldn't that be a kick!!! <snicker>
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 12:31 pm
zap2it.com reports TAR 7 will start 3/1....and the 2-hour finale for TAR 6 will be 2/8. http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|93015|1|,00.html
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 1:03 pm
Just got the table of contents for the 1/21/05 issue of Entertainment Weekly -- and one of the TV features is "the story behind Amazing Race's Jonathan and Victoria"
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 4:33 pm
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1018604_3_0_,00.html Push Comes to Shove On ''The Amazing Race,'' it's bye-bye, Jonathan and Victoria: The long-awaited departure of the dysfunctional duo makes the world safe for reality TV -- maybe too safe by Lynette Rice BEHIND CLOSED DOORS Jon and Vic will have no more public displays of aggression Great moments in television history: The Beatles' appearance on Ed Sullivan. The Crystal-Alexis catfight in the pool on Dynasty. Susan Hawk's fireside speech on the first Survivor. Any time George Clooney appeared on ER. Jonathan and Victoria's elimination from The Amazing Race. To be honest, I saw it coming. I'm not talking like me, the Race fan, but me the TV reporter — one of many who attend the network press conferences held in Los Angeles each winter. On Tuesday, CBS said it would screen the Race episode for TV critics at lunch — which seemed awfully suspect since it wasn't offering to screen last night's episodes of NCIS or Judging Amy. Then again, nothing quite as exciting or cheer worthy was happening with Mark Harmon or Amy Brenneman. And oh, did we cheer! Sadly, the celebration ended as soon as it began. Though I am elated that Race's most vile contestant ever is finally gone, I do believe his legacy will continue long after he puts his damn trousers on and spares us another look at those heinous undies (who wears red underwear, anyway?). No matter how much the Race officials want to deny it, I believe this classy series took a major credibility hit by allowing Jonathan and his whiny wife, Victoria, to continue running. Not that executive producer Bertram Von Munster feels that way. In an interview I did with him two weeks ago, Munster said Jonathan's behavior was only a bad reflection on Jonathan and not on the show. ''We’re not here to annoy people in the living room,'' Von Munster said. ''Jonathan is a compelling character, as long as he keeps his hands off everybody else. This is a true reality show — very unsuspecting things happen.'' Call me naive, but I do believe the network and the producers were genuinely blindsided by the entrepreneur and his blond bimbo. Von Munster said that Jonathan was ''generally an enthusiastic, articulate, fast-thinking guy who wants to win'' when he was first cast. No one could have predicted how he would act under pressure. (Just as I'm sure no one at CBS thought an airhead like Kendra would be such an intolerable dolt while visiting Third World countries — and no, I'm no more forgiving of her just because she wanted to take the little Ethiopian kids home last night because they were sooooo sweet to hold her bags.) So I'm sure it was a complete surprise when Jonathan finally did what he did to Victoria in Berlin. Push her. While she wasn't looking. While she was breaking down in tears. While the cameras were rolling. Did he deserve to get the drop kick? Well he definitely deserved a slap from Phil to say the least, if not a one-way ticket back to the States. As it turned out, Jonathan was never violent again, but he remained as verbally abusive as ever. But maybe CBS seemed to think it was all balancing out in the end because Victoria started to return his abuse with equal vigor. No, no, I'm not suggesting that she deserved some of the crap she got. It's just that . . . well . . . put a cork in that whine, already! She was at her worst last night when she screamed at Jonathan for not helping her read the directions that required them to pull not one but two donkeys. She screamed at him for not moving. She screamed at him after he started moving. And damn if I wasn't with Jonathan when he stood by speechless and stunned as Victoria went off in a crying tizzy during that mud-slinging detour. While Kendra screamed, ''Help her Jonathan!'' I, too, wondered what was wrong with Victoria because (a) I couldn't tell if she was crying or giggling over something involving her hand and (b) I really didn't care because I was still in a state of shock over seeing Jonathan in those red underpants. Anyway, she appeared to be okay because she soon began yelling at Jonathan again over forgetting the damn ass. (Speaking of which, how much did you love Aaron when he said, ''I'm good at guiding asses,'' before pointing to Hayden? Nice!) Bottom line: CBS has said that no new rules will be needed to insure that guys like Jonathan won't continue on Race if they get violent, but I think it's safe to assume that the folks in casting will be watching their p's and q's when looking for their next ''villain.'' The network is waxing on and on about how the cast of the next Race (premiering Tues., March 1) is the best ever, and I feel pretty confident we won't see another Jonathan — or Colin, for that matter — for a while. And you know what? There's something kind of sad in that prediction. I don't want my beloved Race to lose its unpredictability. Fact is, we all paid attention when Jonathan and Victoria were on screen. We loved to hate him. Can this franchise survive without his kind? And now, a footnote to the episode that will forever be known as ''The One Where Jonathan and Victoria Went Down'': I love how Race takes us to exotic places, but last night was the first time I actually cringed in sheer embarrassment over how it was invading sacred territory — and by that I mean the road block where the players had to go down into an 800-year-old buried church to receive a freakin' necklace. A necklace! The minute Hayden made her way into this extraordinary place, my heart skipped a beat — like oh, crap, we really shouldn't be here, and please oh please, don't embarrass us, guys. Lori was the first to disappoint. Though she kneeled to the first ''worship'' she found, she called the whole thing stupid as she walked past these spiritual men. And Adam didn't so much as utter a ''hi!'' to the guy who helped him match his necklace (though Rebecca was at her cattiest on the outside, muttering, ''Never send a woman to do a man's job'' as Adam finished the detour). I had a sick feeling through this entire road block and was so happy when it was over — if only because it got me that much closer to the end, when Jonathan and Victoria were finally eliminated! Oh, and yeah — Hayden and Aaron came in first. Like it matters right now. What do you think? Are you going to kinda miss He Who and She Who, or do you think they should have been booted earlier? What team are you rooting against now? And what team are you rooting for?
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Vsmart
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02-10-2003
| Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 10:32 pm
I'll disagree with the above comment. I've seen St. George's church before on a travel show empty. Even if the ceremony was staged, it was a beautiful part of the show.
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