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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 2:58 pm
The CBS Site now has a long and rather rambling video, first showing Jonathan proudly buying a baby bird (it looked like a duck) an announcing that he was great for saving a life,then releasing it on a city street (oh yeah, it'll last long that way), then segues into Victoria explaining why she picked up the back pack.. she didn't want him to suffer later only having the clothing on his back and not having his asthma meds and other items. She said where he abandonned the pack was quite distant from the pit stop and the pack would not have been in their view. She just didn't want him to suffer (and then have to suffer because of him.) She is carrying her own pack AND the belly pack AND a medical pack, so she already has more weight. I thought it was ironic, though, when he was having such fun with the sausages he was actually wasting time And yes, I do have a grip, but this couple, plus Kendra, pretty much dragged down the whole episode (but I certainly enjoyed Don and MJ and Gus and Hera and the sights..
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Gen
Member
08-22-2003
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 3:22 pm
Also from the CBS website: BERLIN BLOWOUT As Hayden & Aaron, Gus & Hera, Kris & Jon and Adam & Rebecca all finished the Roadblock, Jonathan & Victoria drove into the city limits of Berlin, arguing over directions. Jonathan warned, "If another Team beats us, I'm going to lose it." Pulling into the parking area at the same time as Freddy & Kendra, Jonathan & Victoria dashed from their car, taking the early lead in the footrace to the Brandenburg Gate. Soon, however, Jonathan's pack proved too heavy a burden, and he opted to ditch it on the street. Fearing the bag would be stolen, a frantic Victoria screamed, "No! They're going to take it, " and carried both their packs as Freddy & Kendra passed them. Furious, Jonathan ripped his bag from Victoria's shoulder, screaming, "Why did you pick up my bag? Why?" As Jonathan & Victoria continued to quarrel, Freddy & Kendra stepped onto the mat in first place. Host Phil Keoghan informed the Team they had won a trip to exotic Mexico, compliments of American Airlines' website, AA.com. Just before stepping onto the mat in second place, Jonathan continued his attack on Victoria, shoving her and shouting, "How could you do that?" After being checked in by Phil, Victoria walked off the mat crying, to which Jonathan remarked, "She has to live with her choices." After the married entrepreneurs walked off, Hayden & Aaron and Kris & Jon arrived in third and fourth place, respectively. http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race6/show/ep05/index4.shtml
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 3:51 pm
My 2 cents -- I was completely and totally appalled and saddened by Jonathon's behavior. Because I could NOT believe that CBS would let an abusive relationship continue on TV, I went back on TIVO and watched the shove in slow-mo -- With the camera angle from the back, it sure looked like he hit her backpack, rather than her arm. Now honestly, I don't care WHICH it is -- he had no business putting a finger on her! But I wonder if that is why Phil didn't immediately deck the SOB. I suppose Phil has more class (and control) than to actually do that - -but I would have dearly loved to see him call local law enforcement and had J dragged off for a "cool down" night in jail! I hope they are gone SOON! Like many of you, they are spoiling my enjoyment of the show.
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:00 pm
Yeah,I totally agree with you two. They are ruining the show for me too. I was enjoying the scenery and feeling for Gus. Then,here comes team <nd> screaming through the streets of Berlin. Yikes,go away already!
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Schoolmarm
Member
02-18-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:19 pm
Thank you ar_jammer for your links each week! I think that they are great. I can't even comment about J/V at all without being angry. I just don't like yelling. Do you suppose they will get a penalty? Probably not! Here's hoping for an early elimination.
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Aitch41
Member
04-06-2004
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:26 pm
Kendra needs a spanking and her mouth washed out with soap. I really don't care what her reasons are for talking the way she did... but, her sh@% does stick like the rest of us. And for Jon/Vic... sad, sad, sad. CBS took a very good show and ruined it. TAR wasn't like every other show. Now it is. I'll wait for the next "reality" show to come out. Something that's a family show. Sorry CBS... lost another viewer.
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Lumbele
Member
07-12-2002
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:27 pm
It was too hard to watch without at least slapping the TV upside the head. So I changed channels a few times and got interested in something else. If Mr. <RA> doesn't get the boot soon, I'll have to watch the tape only and just skip over his appearances.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:29 pm
How did CBS do anything? It was the "players" who acted a certain way. CBS just played what happened. To me TAR is just as good as it ever was...
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:30 pm
Please don't give up on the show completely, Aitch. I just hope that CBS has learned it's lesson -- that it won the Emmy's it did BECAUSE it was different from the rest of them. They don't need to sink to the level of BB or Survivor, because that's NOT THE LEVEL OF CLASS IT'S VIEWERS ARE LOOKING FOR. I hope they go back to the 'average joes' instead of these hot-headed types that are just looking for some face time.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:34 pm
Julie, I think we're taking our frustrations out on CBS because they obviously cast J&V to be the team we love to hate. I know, we need a team to hate, but this is just rediculous. Lori and Bolo? Adam and Rebecca? Freddy and Kendra? Hayden and Aaron? They're all difficult to watch, and I think they're all on the show for something to add to their Hollywood resume, not for the experience of the race. A couple of teams have admitted (Ali and Donnie last year) that they hadn't even seen the race before they applied for it -- and I don't think that's fair to the thousands of die-hard viewers who would desperately love a chance to run the race. If you look back to the first season, and compare the personalities of the teams to those they've got now... their standards in casting has definatley slipped a bit. JMHO.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:47 pm
My mom always calls after Amazing Race to discuss the show and what we think will happen next week. The first thing my mom said is "Havent we seen other teams drop their packs Before the go to the pitstop??" I said Yes, but only when there is no one else around like when they are running down a private driveway or field etc. There were TONS of people hanging around the streets where the pitstop was. I agree. Victoria did the correct thing by picking up Jon's Pack when he was getting hysterical that they may NOT be First!! He has voiced his obsession with wanting first place for each leg. Seamonkey quote As for why Victoria didn't let him leave his knapsack behind, I think it was because she has such great fear at the rage that would come over him if someone HAD stolen his pack.. even though she is clearly already carrying more of their stuff and her pack is heavier, I have no doubt that he would berate her. There is no doubt in my mind that Victoria would have paid big time!! We all can see she gets it no matter what and WOW would it have been worse if the pack was stolen! After all, it would have been her fault for not keeping an Eye on it!! I am surprised that some viewers here Didnt see the hit from Jon as being abuse. He wacked at her, pulled at his pack then pushed the pack at her again, hitting her with the pack til she dropped to her knee. It was very fast, like a man who is controlled in his fury and knows what he can get away with in public. I truly hope Phil talks to the producers and gets that team ousted from the game!!!! This is no longer a kid friendly show. It used to be but the violent screaming and abuse that Jon shows against Victoria is kinda scary for all of us......I would never want kids to think that the behaviour was Acceptable. I am sure that these two are still together after the race...Just as Diane and Drew were a couple and together after BigBrother...but I dont feel it will truly last. Jon wants kids, Victoria refuses and therein lays more conflict. I can see her leaving as Whom would want to bring children into such a volatile furious man's home?? anyways, I was sad to see the older couple go, but truly, they were getting too mentally tired to continue. Misreading the clue for the Broken Chain Statue was their deathnell for the game. What a major screwup!! Sigh, they looked happy and resigned when they reached the pitstop. They had FUN! all the best to them! Oh, final comment. Angelic, as a Canadian I was very moved (to tears) along with Gus. As a country we were the final stop of the Famous Underground Railroad. Many slaves escaped and came to our truly free country. I was most upset at that flip comment "no wonder they wanted to escape". How could anyone in the USA not know that the slaves were captured?? Do you not teach History in School? Just curious.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:49 pm
This episode showed many facets of the participants. We saw Gus anguish at the slave house. We saw the ignorance of Kendra. We saw the tenderness and understanding between Don and Mary Jean. We saw the uglyness of Jonathon. It was quite an interesting learning episode but I doubt that the people who need to learn something about themselves will see it.
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Lumbele
Member
07-12-2002
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 5:17 pm
Sunshyne, the first black slave in Canada was registered in 1628. Although several laws were introduced over the next 200 years to limit this practice, it took until 1834 for our truly free country to formally abolish slavery.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 5:24 pm
They teach history in our schools, but just like schools everywhere, not every student pays attention.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 6:38 pm
I can't remember who asked this but... When you are accepted to be on TAR, you have to agree to be gone for 5 weeks. If you are eliminated earlier in the race, you are sequestered somewhere until the final episode (last year the eliminated teams were basically on an all-expense paid vacation in Portugal). As to this week's show... Kendra just amazed me with her ignorant comments (in front of a cab driver, who spoke English, no less). I can only hope that woman feels embarrassed and apologetic for the many comments she has made. There is no reason to make comments like that. 'Nuff said. Jonathan. If he thinks he's being cute and funny... I cannot tell you how angry I am at him for his treatment of Victoria. As to her sobbing, she was NOT crying because they came in second. She was crying because of the way he treated her, and the weight of the packs that she couldn't continue to carry. Finally, why does VICTORIA have to carry the heaviest pack? This entire relationship is all about him. And he really and truly disgusts me. As far as who was worse -- Kendra or Jonathan? Sorry, but they are both completely and totally out of line. And neither one of them deserves to win this Race, nor should either one of them ever get ANY part of their freakin' 15 minutes. I am so tired of wannabe's being on these shows. I strongly suspect that this season's TAR will not win the Emmy that last season's did. ETA: I agree with Seamonkey. I thought that was pretty deceptive of D/MJ to accept as much money as they did. Nor did I find it amusing that they had "more money than some of the other teams." I'm not sorry to see them go; they did not play a good game (although, yeah, OK, they are a sweet couple, but OMG I thought they were clueless).
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:01 pm
<seamonkey headbumps costacat> Costa, I think it is that Victoria carries three packs and perhaps her own stuff is heavier.. she said in her video that was put up today on cbs.com that she also carried a "medical pack" and "the belly pack".. which I guess means she carries the money and the clues? But she did imply that had Jonathan's pack been stolen, it would have meant the loss of all of his clothing and other stuff AND his meds/inhalers for his asthma.. so it could be that his asthma causes him to panic? That video is telling, I tell ya! ==== I knew there had been slaves in Canada but did go look it up this morning before stating it was so and of course it didn't reach the level (or depths) that it did in the US, but I suspect that had to do with differences in population and weather, which is why more of the slaves in the US were concentrated in the warmer, Southern states where labor intensive crops were grown, rice, cotton and so on.. From the url I found: The first slave transported directly from Africa to Canada was a child brought to Quebec in 1628 by the English invader David Kirke, and sold to a local resident on Kirke's departure in 1629. The child was baptized in May 1633 as Olivier Le Jeune, and died in 1654 while still a young man. Between 1628 and the British Conquest in 1759, 1132 slaves of African origin were brought to New France. Governor Denonville sought permission to establish a trade in African slaves in 1688, but royal permission was denied and so there was never any direct importation from Africa. Most of the Africans came from the British colonies in North America or from the French West Indies. About 60 percent of the imported slaves were male and 40 percent female, and almost all of them were located in urban centers as domestic servants. Usually they were owned singly or in very small numbers, and most served the same family throughout their lives. Black slaves lived in the British regions of Canada in the 17th and 18th centuries — 104 were listed in a 1767 census of Nova Scotia — but their numbers were small until the Loyalist influx after 1783. As white Loyalists fled the new American Republic, they took with them about 2000 black slaves: 1200 to the Maritimes (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island), 300 to Lower Canada (Quebec), and 500 to Upper Canada (Ontario). As in New France, Loyalist slaves were held in small numbers and were employed as domestic servants, farm hands, and skilled artisans. The system of gang labor, and its consequent institutions of control and brutality, did not develop in Canada. Because they did not appear to pose a threat to their masters, slaves were permitted to learn to read and write, Christian conversion was encouraged, and their marriages were recognized by law. In 1793 Upper Canada became the first territory in the British Empire to legislate the gradual abolition of slavery. By 1800 the other provinces of British North America had effectively limited slavery through court decisions requiring the strictest proof of ownership, which was rarely available. Slavery remained legal, however, until the British Parliament emancipated slaves throughout the empire effective August 1, 1834. ++++ And to think they could have cast Ami and her partner, instead of putting Ami on Survivor and they could have cast Moondance and her gay friend.. they were billing themselves as the "Two Divas"..LOL. +++++ Well I don't hate Don and MJ too much but it seems to me that if they got a reprieve and lost their money, it isn't really fair to expect their competitors to fund them at the possible expense of one of the teams who didn't finish that leg last. Last season teams did hit up other tourists ..
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:06 pm
Many people have "escaped Africa". Our country is full of recent immigrants from many different areas of Africa (and tons of other places from around the world). It is unfair to whoever made that comment to make an assumption she was talking about people forced against their will to come to the Americas. So much of this is "make an assumption about someone based on scant or non-exsistent evidence and then comdemn them based on that assumtion". The stuff I'm reading is just so incredibly unfair and unjustified based on what was said during the show. Maybe she is the most racist awful person ever, but NOTHING she said indicates that. Accusations like racism should be based on evidence, not assumption. I thought watching everyone, but especially Gus and Hera, lay the roses as extremely touching. I was definitely crying. One of the most amazing field trips I went on as a child was to a local home where they showed us a hiding place in a house used by the underground railroad. I grew up not far from Detroit which was a major crossing to Canada. Canada should be extremely proud of itself for providing refuge. Lots of westren coutries had slavery but the USA was amongst the last to fully come to its senses and abolish the practice. Canada figured it out earlier and never institutionalized it to the extent the US did. Kudos to that!
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Annie
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11-10-2004
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:25 pm
I never implied, or assumed Rebecca's comment made her a racist,I said it was at best insensitive. She made the remark while at the "slave house". I was touched by everyone laying a rose at the sight of no return, but especially more for Gus, Hera and the Grandparents. In my opinion, "most" of the couples they have had on this race and the last one, have been insensitive with remarks, and how they treated the "locals". It doesn't mean they're racist.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:38 pm
Was J/V website posted? Has anyone seen it? J/v site blogs they have a hate mail/message board posting, things kept getting deleted... so I'd say clueless
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:48 pm
according to TWOP, he's been editing all submissions to the message board before things go up -- one TWOP regular posted a copy their original message, and what actually made it up on J/V's site -- two totally different things. control freak in real life, control freak on the net... The site has also changed the poll 3-5 times today, each one growing in agitation... If I were him, I'd shut the message board thing down, but it seems as though they are too starved for "fame" and think they can somehow manipulate this. I don't buy the "editing" excuse, NOR do I buy the "I was playing a character" excuse. And I hope no one else does either.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 5:51 am
I know the discussion of J/V's relationship has moved one, but I wasn't able to get to the boards earlier to join in. So I'd like to post an additional comment about the seemingly abusive dynamics of J against V. First let me say I too have experience spousal abuse on a personal level. I've also raised 3 children and am helping to raise 5 grandchildren, and I know a temper tantrum when I see one. Abusive people are all about making someone feel less then they are. They set about in a calculated way to ensure their spouse "knows" whose in charge and are quick to inflict punishments when rules (whether they are known or unknown rules) are broken. They actually LOOK for, and makeup things, just to exert their control over another. They take immense pleasure in hurting others. Immature spoiled children are quite different. They yell and scream when they don't get their way. They lash out at playmates and adults to make their feelings known. They push/shove fellow playmates at the slightest provocation and will even hit another when angry enough. They whine constantly and throw hissy's if something in their world isn't to their liking. They also like to play the "Grande Dame" at times, bestowing gifts and compliments to ingratiate themselves with others or to simply make themselves feel good. J has all the aspects of a spoiled rotten immature child. What he needs is some good discipline. Pure and simple. JMHO
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Ar_jammer
Member
11-17-2004
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 6:13 am
Phil's Pain... and disgust.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 6:55 am
Kep, I have to respectfully disagree. He may be acting spoiled and rotten and even immature but he is also exhibiting the controlling nature that leads to abuse and is actually verbally and psychologically abusing her in front of the cameras.. and you know how horrible it is if you make an arm movement and a person, adult or child, or an animal CRINGES? You know that this being has some reason to have a natural fear of your upraised arm.. well she cringes when he pulls back his arm.. so even if he doesn't push or shove or punch her on camera,he's abusing and he's humiliating her for his own amusement.
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Julieboo
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02-05-2002
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 7:08 am
I don't get why some people think it was unfair of MJ and Don to ask their competitors for $$. Can you imagine the crap they'd have gotten on these boards if they asked he poor people for $$. They did not have guns to their heads. And how do we know they knew how much $$ they had as they were collecting it. maybe they didn't know they had more til after they already had it. Even if they did know--who cares. I am sure the competitors gave to them because they knew MJ/Don were not a threat. Now if just about any other team asked for $, I am not so sure they would have gotten much. No rules were broken... They were good sports and respected each other, the other racers and the people in the countries they were in. Why the hate? (Save it for Kendra and Jonathan!) I love this show and have no doubt that Kendra & Jonathan will go fairly soon! People will really feel happy when that happens!
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Jimmer
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08-30-2000
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 7:20 am
I for one don't "hate" any of them. I think there is a lot of heavy duty in depth analysis going on here and a lot of extrapolation based on somewhat limited evidence.
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