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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 9:05 am
You can go HERE and send them comments.. it doesn't even require you to enter a name or addy 
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 9:18 am
i see on that site where someone mentions he didn't hit 'her', but her backpack. the backpack was a part of her at that time and i fully believe his intention was to push/punish victoria--not a backpack. doesn't matter if the shove hit her or the backpack she was wearing...it knocked her over. i agree about the no violence clause... phil did look (to me)as if he wanted to do more than just tell jonathan to go talk to victoria, but he has more class than jonathan.
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 9:19 am
I haven't watched this show all season, but last night, I caught it while sitting with my mom. I wish I had been in Berlin, so when I saw Jon push Victoria's bag and almost make her fall over, I'd have gone up and smacked him, then asked Victoria why she didn't have the spine to do it herself. Honestly, I can't believe Victoria's parents or anyone she knows, haven't taken her aside after seeing these shows and been like, "We'll pay for your divorce. " I agree, these two make Tara and Wil look like a perfect couple.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 9:50 am
I’m a little shamefaced to say that I actually found Tara and Will pretty entertaining. I guess it was because they were more or less equally outspoken. The final show as he was trying to get that clue out of the block of ice using all the different implements available (including a large blow torch/flame throwing device) all the while with Tara yelling at him, was simply hilarious. 
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Hobbs
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 9:52 am
I thought this one was interesting. Is it a cry for help?

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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:09 am
Ugh,that makes me sick.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 11:32 am
A friend of mine who once lived in Germany said that shove of Jonathon's could have bought him a world of hurt over there if the right people had seen it. If indeed he did just shove her backpack, I think it was an error...it looked to me like he meant to shove her. It was enough for her to stumble and drop what she was carrying, so it doesn't really matter what he was aiming for with that shove. Compare Jonathon and Victoria's behavior to that of the Freddy and Kendra. Rather than think of himself and drop his pack to try to make it in first, Freddy takes Kendra's pack to help her as a team. Jonathon berates Victoria for picking his up -- which would have been gone in a heartbeat if they had left it where it was. As for it all being in the editing, you can't edit in a shove that didn't happen, and you can't edit in hysterical crying. Gave a whole new meaning to the phrase Ugly American.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 1:00 pm
Gave a whole new meaning to the phrase Ugly American. Indeed. I was really, really hoping that Phil was going to tell Jonathon that he'd broken the law -- which is against race rules -- by assaulting his wife, and disqualify them then and there. It was truly disgusting to watch him last night. Edit, schmedit.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 2:24 pm
Prisoner and you can't edit in a flinch and I've seen Victoria flinch away from him more than once and more than once he's raised a hand to her.. UGH. Karen I'm not aware that breaking the law is always considered on TAR. I know there were a couple of times when the teams were not allowed to drive after dark.. but look at last year when one of the teams had their cabbie clearly breaking the law, driving on the shoulder or on the sidewalk.. I thought that should be grounds for a penalty (or just wished the Texas Highway patrol had showed up) I'm still hoping that they get something like a 30 minute penalty at the beginning of the next leg..
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 2:33 pm
I remember Phil saying numerous times over the course of all the races, that the racers are required to follow the local law, where ever they are. I remember one of the first seasons, a team of males (I don't remember who) recieved a penalty - I think it was a half hour - for driving above the posted limit. I think the teams driving on the sidewalk should have recieved a penalty, too. I hope J&V get some kind of repremanding from the producers.
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Schoolmarm
Member
02-18-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:24 pm
Well, local law in Germany is that you can't spank children or otherwise hit them. I don't know about adults, but I think that it is likely also against the law to hit another adult. You can go to jail in Germany for spanking a child. Funny, I never see misbehaving children over there! But I do know that teachers complain about the children....as they do everywhere.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:27 pm
Technically, he didn't hit her. He pushed her backpack. (She was attached to it though.) Does that make a difference? Who knows...?
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:38 pm
Yeah, it was the backpack he pushed, but really... was his intention to inflict pain on a backpack? I doubt it. That's like saying, OH, he didn't hit me... just the sweater I'm wearing.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:55 pm
Wish I had it on tape. He shoved her then while his hand was there he tried to grab the pack then shoved it again...that when she dropped to a knee. It was in two stages not one. At least, thats the way I saw it. Anyone with it on tape, please count the shakes trying to get the pack off her shoulder. I figure it was at least three attempts to RIP IT OFF violently. But then again, I dont have it on tape.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 8:49 pm
Being one of the seniors here I hesitate to state that something has never happened, but has Phil ever before intervened in the race to suggest that someone needs to talk with someone else? I am thinking he didn't mean that further yelling and berating (which occurred) was needed!!
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 9:39 pm
I think Phil saw how upset Victoria was, and thought that Jonathon needed to go talk to her (as in, be nice to her). NOT go over and continue to berate her. I've never seen Phil say anything like that ever before. Nor have I ever seen such a look (of disgust? of disbelief?) on his face.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 9:39 pm
TNT, I don't remember any other time, but then my memory isn't the best .. what did you ask?
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 12:04 am
nevermind...
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 7:14 am
Jonathan: "I do not abuse Victoria"; "I am taking full responsibly for my actions." The Amazing Race 6's Jonathan Baker naturally blames the editing for his behavior, but he can't blame the editing for the physical violence he demonstrated during Tuesday's episode, when he shoved his wife Victoria while screaming at her. (Having dropped his pack, she picked it up to prevent it from being stolen, and that caused them to drop behind in a footrace. TVGasm has the footage in the middle of its recap.) For his behavior, Jonathan blames medication and stress, and he also manages to apologize while still blaming CBS. Early this morning, Jonathan posted a message to their web site that responds to the episode: London 2:20am All of us have our faults. Unfortunately for me millions of viewers art getting to see mine each week. I do not abuse Victoria, what you see is a heighten version of stress and obsession mix with medication for a sickness called Sarcoidosis. What was stared as a publicity stunt turn in to an obsession to race and be first at any cost. I set out to be the Villain to others not to Victoria. Victoria and I are working on our relationship to better our self and learn form our mistakes. I am taking full responsibly for my actions on screen. Please allow me to make the effort. I am deeply sadden by the storyline that CBS went with. I am sorry for my actions, I am sorry to Victoria. Most all I am sorry to the Fans of the Amazing Race. Jonathan As horrifying as his behavior was, should it have been shown on TV? The Chicago Metropolitan Battered Women's Network' Vickii Coffey says no, although she didn't see the episode. "By televising this, what we do is say? This is OK? Because nobody is doing anything about it. Nobody is addressing it on the show. Abuse is a learned behavior. We learn to be violent because we're taught in different ways in our culture to normalize certain things," she tells the Chicago Tribune. Phil did address Jonathan's behavior, sort of: When Victoria walked off the mat crying, Phil told Jonathan, "I think you probably should go and talk to Victoria." http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 7:27 am
Argh! "Experts" commenting that haven't even bothered to take the time to actually watch the incident. Blech! As far as Jon complaining about CBS editing, it's hard for him to complain about them including it when it occurred directly at the finish line of a pit stop. They always show the teams arriving at the pit stop. As far as showing it on TV, it's a reality show, not an analysis show. People who want analysis should go watch Dr. Phil.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 10:14 am
Dr. Phil Keoghan? 
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 10:39 am
LOL (for a change). He may need to be by the time this show is over!!! 
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Hobbs
Member
08-05-2002
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 12:51 pm
Here is a loop of the shove. shove
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 1:18 pm
Thanks for that loop, Hobbs. It's still ugly to watch but in real time TV it was even more ugly because (only speaking for myself) I didn't see it coming. My friend who watched it said she was ready for it and thought he might have punched instead of shoved. I guess he took the lesser of the evils but still he's in for a rude awakening.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 2:16 pm
I think one thing Jonathan needs to learn is that some things are wrong, no matter what excuses you have. He seems to think that his behaviour is ok because he was stressed/excuted/in pain and everyone should give him some slack. Perhaps by the end of this he'll see that you can't behave like that to another human being however terrible you feel. I'm not entirely convinced he will change though.
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