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Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 5:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
guess after Dr. Phil, they can go on to Divorce Court

Mak1
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08-12-2002

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL! They won't get away with anything with Dr. Phil on their case. I may just have to watch that, even though I never wanted to see them again.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If you don't think J/V are doing this merely as a way to "spin" their notoriety and stay in the public eye....

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It would be interesting to see how they spin this..........

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 5:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They started with the Early Show today -- since their initial indignation didn't work, someone has obviously given them the (good) PR advice that contrition is the way to go now that it's too late to completely change current public perception. You know ... the oft-repeated PR mantra for celebs and publicists, "The American people are very forgiving." Blah.

Hippyt
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06-15-2001

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well,this american person would like to put my foot up Jonathan's ............

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yep, they are at least smart or being advised by smart people...the tune is definitely changing.
Let's see.....Dr. Phil, being on AR made us realize that we do indeed have some issues that need to be worked out. We love each other and think we are good people, can you help us?
or
Dr Phil, being on AR made us realize that we are competitive and from the outside it might not look like a good thing, but gee, Phil..isn't being able to say whatever you want to your spouse a good thing???

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 6:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I gotta give Victoria some props for asking to borrow a shirt before she went into the Church. Konashark & I were appalled at the lack of reverence shown by the female contestants wearing nothing more than a jog bra.

'squeek'

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Kona, that was very classy on her part.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 8:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
a conversation with The Amazing Race 6's Jonathan Baker and Victoria Fuller.
A few weeks ago, I heard from The Amazing Race 6's Victoria and Jonathan, who I certainly haven't been shy about criticizing. They offered an interview; I accepted. There were questions I wanted to ask that other interviews avoided, and while I don't shy away from my past criticism of what we saw on TV, I was certainly interested in both hearing what they had to say and examining reality TV from a different perspective.

The result of the conversation is a feature story for MSNBC.com that will be published today or tomorrow. But as I spoke to Jonathan for more than an hour, and Victoria for about a half-hour, the interview clocks in at nearly 19,000 words. Of course, I couldn't possibly use all of that in a 1,500 word piece, so, like a reality TV editor, I had to make choices about what to include while crafting the piece. Since there's a lot of interesting information, and because Jonathan in particular was concerned about how I presented the information ("I hope you're not gonna bamboozle me," he said), the whole interview is presented here, raw and unedited, so you can make your own decisions as to how I represented our conversation. (Thanks to my talented sister Beth Dehnart for assisting with the transcription.)

One note: Because human beings don't talk in full sentences, journalists and writers often "clean up" speech, so what you see here is everything that the three of us said, with the exception of stutters and "um"-type pauses, which have been (inconsistently) removed. Despite this, the interview stands as solid evidence that I'm destined to write, because in addition to having a voice like a Muppet, I'm apparently completely incapable of constructing a sentence without inserting "you know," "like," and "sort of" as every other word. Mad props to Anderson Cooper and everyone else who does this interviewing thing for a living.


***the article is long, so click on the link****

LINK

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
a quote from the above article.....

JB: On television, if you look at me on VH1, or E, or Fabulous Life Of, or Celebrity Homes… I've been on television a lot, to know what the difference in… in how to behave, in terms of being in front of a camera

he was on all these tv shows????? why??

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
because he is a media wh-,uh, hound.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I kind of want to read all that but there's only so much of him I can bear. After about the first third all I can say is D E N I A L. He even says CBS basically tricked him because he didn't realise they were filming him when he shoved Victoria.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He's been on those shows because he is a producer. He will be filming beginning this summer on a new movie. He and Victoria will be on fishbowl radio tomorrow afternoon. Go to the chatroom there if you have questions you want answered.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
he mentions taking a high dose of prednisone...100 mg. I wonder if this really is high. My cat takes 5 mg (every other day) and she weighs 7 lb. I am not a pharmacist, I am just wondering.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I read the entire interview (I know – I need to get a life, but I prefer to just say that I’m a fast reader). It was interesting in that it was apparently an unedited interview for a change.

I’m not saying that they are necessarily better unedited, but whatever we think of them as people, it is obvious that there has been a lot of editing involved in both AR and Dr. Phil and we should take that into consideration.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My cat also takes Prednisone every day and is not abusive to me either.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I also read it, though admittedly very fast.

Of course there is editing involved in the Race (and certainly on Dr. Phil -- that segment was an embarrassment to the producers, I thought). However, I really didn't find Jonathan's arguments about how the editing skewed them both differently than they were in actuality, very persuasive. I found his answers to be rambling and still a little desperate.

And I had to giggle at his (obvious) prepared checklist of interview talking points. His publicist should remind him to make the points without referencing the checklist...

Also, if you notice when Victoria gets on the phone in the end, it seems as though Jonathan calls in to listen in -- the operator warns the interviewer and V that someone has called in and it's JONATHAN who then asks the interviewer to call back. Classic.

One of the things that continues to disturb me is his continued insistence through anecdote that HE is the brains of the two and that if his wife had just listened to him throughout they'd have been OK. It does show a high level of ego that I think explains a lot of his behavior -- though doesn't make it more palatable to me.

In any case, it's their life. His desire to get "closure" -- which in their case seems to mean "get a third party or parties to admit that we're really good people in real life" -- will keep him giving these type of interviews. I believe it's entirely ego-driven, as was his behavior on the Race. He believes he's clever, smart and the top dog. He just can't believe others can't see it.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yankee, i wondered what the operator thing was. Thanks for explaining it.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's just a guess, but no matter what, he was clearly on the line...

Sewmommy
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07-06-2004

Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I keep hearing him say how the the meds effected him so much, so I looked up prednisone.

http://www.drugs.com/prednisone.html

What are the possible side effects of prednisone?
• If you experience any of the following serious side effects, stop taking prednisone and seek emergency medical attention or contact your doctor immediately:
· an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of your throat; swelling of your lips, tongue, or face; or hives);
· increased blood pressure (severe headache or blurred vision); or
· sudden weight gain (more than 5 pounds in a day or two).
• Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to take prednisone and talk to your doctor if you experience
· insomnia;
· nausea, vomiting, or stomach upset;
· fatigue or dizziness;
· muscle weakness or joint pain;
· problems with diabetes control; or
· increased hunger or thirst.
• Other side effects that occur only rarely, usually with high doses of prednisone, include
· acne,
· increased hair growth,
· thinning of the skin,
· cataracts,
· glaucoma,
· osteoporosis,
· roundness of the face, and
· changes in behavior.
• Side effects other than those listed here may also occur. Talk to your doctor about any side effect that seems unusual or that is especially bothersome.

Changes in behavior is considered a rare side effect even in a high dose. You would think someone, producer, his wife, would notice this abpupt change and make him stop and see a doctor. I could be waaaaay off base on this because I have no experience with the drug.
Just a thought.

really happy that I figured out the attachment thingy

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Lexie!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Mom

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 6:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
From an interview with Phil on his tour to get teams of families for TAR8 (the link is in General discussions for TAR7)

Jonathan and Victoria. One question Phil’s been getting asked everywhere is about his reaction to the husband from “Amazing Race 6” who turned abusive mid-race and was scolded by the producers. “He was unlike any other team we had before and they’re definitely unlike any team we’ll have in the future. I thought they would be loud, I thought they would be audacious and big, but I didn’t know they were going to be confrontational and as nasty with each other.”

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
'Race' duo on the road to success

By RICHARD HUFF
DAILY NEWS TV EDITOR

Victoria Fuller and Jonathan Baker are now working on a possible VH1 show this fall.
Fuller appears in Playboy's May issue.
America hasn't seen the last of Jonathan Baker and Victoria Fuller, the "Amazing Race 6" contestants best-known for their constant onscreen bickering.

Fact is, viewers will be seeing a lot more of the couple in coming weeks and months with Fuller appearing in next month's Playboy magazine and VH1 shooting a reality show pilot around the lovebirds to debut perhaps as early as the fall.

And, they've also taped a demo for a potential show to air on Sirius Satellite Radio.

"I'm having the time of my life," Fuller said yesterday. "We both feel like we're having the time of our life."

Fuller said VH1 cameras started following them this week as they work out new business deals and live their lives at home.

"Basically it's John and I, and the arc of fame, from going on a reality show, being dumped off on the end, and what happens when you come out on the other side," she said.

That's a far cry from what viewers saw in the fall when there were allegations - based on what was on the screen - that Baker was abusive.

It all stemmed from an incident in one episode in which Baker shoved Fuller - combined with his repeated ego-filled rants.

Immediately, the shoving incident raised questions about their relationship and the way contestants are screened.

"As the show was going on, people were in a state of shock," Fuller explained. "And so were we, because we were portrayed so negatively."

Fuller also said that after she was shoved on the show the couple received one million E-mails (mostly negative) on their Web site: jonathanbakerandvictoriafuller.com.

But after they started doing interviews and showing up at red carpet events, people started seeing them in a different light.

Fuller said the incident and other situations where it appeared Baker was verbally abusive were overblown and just short snippets from their hundreds of hours on the show.

Ironically, they got advice in how to deal with the fallout from an unlikely reality show ally - "Apprentice" villain Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth.

"Her advice was when you do an interview come off humble and apologetic," Fuller said, "and when you walk the red carpet, be a and a b----."

The new reality show will have some aspects of the explosive relationship viewers saw on "Amazing Race," although the tension will be different because they're not going after a $1 million prize.

"People like flawed characters," Fuller said. "It's all great and fun. People want to know you have problems, so there will be an element of that. Is he pushing me? No. Will we be at each other's throat to that degree? No. But we still will be bickering, we still will be fighting because that's who we are."


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ent_radio/story/297269p-254505c.html

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 1:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nope -- this viewer will NOT be seeing more of them -- EVER, EVER again. If they appear on my TV at any time, it will be TURNED OFF!

Producerchic
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06-29-2004

Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 2:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'll take Rob and Amber (hell ANYONE) over these two any day...