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Karen
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09-07-2004

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 7:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I know about the 12-hr wait at the pitstop, Sea. But I was talking about when they show up for a challenge. A good example would be: drive yourselves to the museum and find your next clue. WEll Team A does this no problem and arrives at the museum at midnight, to find that it doesn't open until 8am. They make shelter and sleep. Team B gets hopelessly lost on their way to the museum, and doesn't get there until 7:30 am. Exhausted, yet they can't stop to rest.

Roxip
Member

01-29-2004

Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
But that's just part of the Race...the element of chance. No matter how good you do on one leg you can totally get far behind on the next. It wouldn't be exciting otherwise...there would be somebody (last year it would have been Colin and Christie more than likely) who was light years ahead of the rest of the pack. And what would be the fun in that? It is more interesting to watch how the really successful "Type A" teams deal with the fact that they have lost their advantage and have to keep striving to get ahead again.

Karen
Member

09-07-2004

Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was agreeing with you, Roxip. I was just clarifying my earlier post for Sea:

Dec. 02, 11:00 am: I agree, Roxip. While I understand your concerns, Watching, can you imagine how boring it would be if they didn't have those equalizers? If one team ended up doing really well, and by the fifth or sixth episode, they're two or three legs ahead of the rest? I like that they keep bunching them up to keep them at pace with each other.

Besides, they still have the motivation to finish their tasks well -- if you're the first person to the gate at 10pm, and you find you have to wait until 8am, well, that gives you ten hours to rest. The last team that shows up at, say, 3:30 in the morning, only gets a couple of hours. More rest ususally equals more mental and physical ability. Just a thought.


Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the thing that bothered me most about this past week's roadblock was that the two women had a disadvantage arriving first. By the time the others arrived, they could SEE that it would be a physical challenge and therefore the men could choose to do this one. Lena and her sis didn't have that chance; to see how difficult it would be to unroll those bales of hay.

So in that respect, I think that challenge was unfair. It would've been more fair if they didn't know what they were gonna be doing (couldn't see) and therefore selected the person for the roadblock based on the clue.

This has happened on several challenges in past seasons. Last season, with the rapelling up and down the cliff (towards the end). The later teams got to see what the challenge was and could decide who'd do it then.

Of course, Colin doing all the difficult challenges last season (and Christy doing, what? one? the caviar?) is the reason that each person can only do a max of 6 roadblocks this season.

Enricov
Member

07-15-2003

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 2:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The hay-bale challenge was no more difficult for Lena to do than it was for a 69-year-old man, or for a 50-year-old (quite out of shape) man. In fact, it was probably much easier. They just, luckily, did it more quickly. Not being able to see what the task was put them at no disadvantage. Do you think Kristy would have been a better choice? I sure don't.

But more than that, life is unfair. Some people have abilities that others don't.

Knowing what the task is did not factor into a thing last season -- especially at the end. The cliff rappel, they all could see it when they got there. Besides, except for Linda & Karen, ALL of the final three teams, the woman did only one Roadblock. That's why the rule was enacted IMO. And it's long, long overdue.

Vsmart
Member

02-10-2003

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 6:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Do we know if the filmcrew/farmer knows which bales contain the clues? Maybe Phil was called because the women already rolled the bales with the clues, but missed them.

Roxip
Member

01-29-2004

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 9:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Karen, I always love to have people agree with me...sometimes I think I'm not too bright or that my thought process is a bit warped (and sometimes I know it is...LOL).

I think the sex of the person doing the hay bale challenge is irrelevant...at some point later on in the Race the fact that a man has been doing the more strenuous challenges may backfire because, since a participant can only do six, they may have used up all their challenges. This challenge, while it might have been somewhat exhausting, did not require THAT much physical strength...after all, the hay bales seemed to roll fairly easily (and no, I'm not going out to my parents' farm and test this theory). It was a grueling task but I would think pulling oneself up a cliff with ice picks (which everybody accomplished) would have been more physically demanding. I think Lena was more upset about her hands being cut and the dust of the hay bale than pushing them for miles and miles. Besides, the simple fact of the matter is that it was a two-woman team so one of them was going to have to do it.

Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 1:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am completely bunned that Lena and sis are out of the competition. They cast very heavily toward the obnoxious this season and to see one the of the non-obnoxious teams lose through simple bad luck is heartbreaking!!!

I've put together IKEA furniture. While not a great deal of fun, their directions are clear, so the task is just tedious. The minute I saw the number of items in those bins, I think I would have gone and built the desk. I was surprised they kept trying. Accurate counting is very difficult with numbers that high - on top of which no one was sure how they wanted the pans counted. No thank you to that one!

I'm hoping Jon and Victoria are eliminated next. And, not just because they are borring, but I'm sick of 50% of posts being about battered women. I'm sick of behavior seen on TV being magnified in discussion into something a million times worse than what is in evidence. I sorta like Victoria anyways.

Not sure who to root for now. The pretty model couples annoy me because they are cast more on looks than personality. (Can't have an ugly cast now can we...) But they now appear to be one of the few non-obnoxious types left.

I guess I like Hera and dad too - but dad just doesn't seem fit enough to make it much further.

Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It doesn't require THAT much physical strength to push around a hay bail??!!!?!?!?!?! Have you every pushed one?!?! I have, OMG those things are SOOOOOOO heavy. I've also mucked out stalls and carried and broken up the old style small hay bails. Even those smaller ones are tough to pick up on your own if you are female - which I am. I think pushing over 2-5 wouldn't be so tough, but they said she did 100!!!!

Hay is HEAVY!!!!! That was an extremely tough challenge physically. EXTREMELY!!! I was surprised none of them went through their bags and put on their mittens or gloves they brought for cold weather. Anything was better than bare hands.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Karen, I see the point you were making about there being some advantage to getting to a bunching point first, and agree that often that can be true and is true.. I was thinking from the other angle of some later teams actually having a more comfy night's sleep at the pitstop and then arriving not long before the opening while the early teams might be sleeping on concrete in the cold..

LOL.. and of course there is no predicting either way..



Costacat
Member

07-15-2000

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just want to put this out there... I want Jonathan to lose this week. I kinda like Victoria, but I cannot stand the mouth on that man. So I'm putting it out in the universe in hopes that it'll come true! <wink>

And yeah, hay bales ARE heavy. And after it started to rain, even heavier. That was a tough task. Yes, it would've been a woman on the woman only teams. But I still think the co-ed teams had an advantage in knowing what the task would be.

Well, of course, except for Jonathan. Who decided to let Victoria take on the roadblock. (And now would be a good time for me to self-moderate! <grin>)

Ar_jammer
Member

11-17-2004

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm with you costacat on that one. Let's get this elimination chain going! Bye Bye Jonathan.

Bluejaxrock
Member

04-23-2004

Monday, December 06, 2004 - 10:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'll keep the "Elimination Chain" going...something about that guy just creeps me out. If I were around him for any length of time, I'd have to b****-slap him. No, can't do that - it'd be assault. Then I'd just have to scream and yell at him. Oops, can't do that - verbal abuse. Fine! I'll just have to dislike him intensely and hope he's gone soon.

Karen
Member

09-07-2004

Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In case you need a humourous reminder of the antics on last weeks' episode before you settle in for tonights show, here's the Television Without Pity recap from Episode 3, written by the very funny Miss Ali. Make sure you've got some time, it's a long one.

ETA: I'm in on the bye-bye Jon chain. See ya later, and Veronica, please, get some help.

Tntitanfan
Member

08-03-2001

Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 5:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Great read, Karen! Thanks for the link - reminds me of our own dear Bunny!