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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, January 07, 2005 - 11:46 am
So what you are saying is that although "Mad Cow" disease still exists in cows in Britain, it is no longer a health risk to humans because of the improved processing regulations? That's interesting, given that there was such a brohaha (is that a word?) with the U.S. stopping the importing of Canadian beef upon the discovery of one "Mad Cow" case in Canada.
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Karuuna
Member
08-31-2000
| Friday, January 07, 2005 - 12:08 pm
Jimmer, mad cow spreads through cow herds relatively easily, which is why it was such a big deal in the US, where it has not been widely seen. The US has also instituted the new processing standards, but the inspection process has been slow to institute, so it's not sure if all processing houses are following them faithfully. So people are afraid. Can't blame them, with all the media attention. However, many scientists remain unconvinced that the mad cow cases were spread in GB and Europe because of the cows. There is proof that the human variation can pass quite easily thru blood and organ donation. However, mad cow also decimates cattle herds and is devastating to an already struggling US cattle industry. The US has mandatory destruction laws for any animals that have mad cow. Unfortunately, you can't tell if one has it (early) unless you kill the animal. Personally, I don't eat beef for lots of reasons, so I'm not terribly worried for myself; but I did a lot of work with the cattle industry in my old advertising career, so I"m familiar with some of the issues.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, January 07, 2005 - 12:14 pm
Yes, that's what I'm saying. As far as all the science goes, the bits which cause the disease when eaten are the spinal cord and brain, so if they are removed from all cows, even healthy ones, then theoretically there's no chance of getting the disease from beef. Of course the science may be wrong, but they've spent a lot of time and a whole lot of money working on the problem, so I'm pretty trusting of them. Also I don't think there are many cows left in Britain with mad cow, it seems unlikely after all this time. There may be a few that had the disease (it takes years to develop) but no symptoms before all the regulations changed but there shouldn't be any new cases of it. (Plus of course in Britain we had that whole "foot and mouth" problem and pretty much all the cows were killed because of that.) (The disease also isn't spread from cow to cow, which seems another popular misconception, cows get 'mad cow' from eating feed containing ground up sheep with scrapes (scrapes is a very similar disease in sheep that doesn't cause problems when eaten by humans but does when eaten by cows). So they kill whole herds of cows if one has 'mad cow', not because the others may have "caught" it, but because they were all exposed to the same contaminated feed. And of course now livestock can't be fed to other livestock so new instances of the disease shouldn't even occur.)
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Karuuna
Member
08-31-2000
| Friday, January 07, 2005 - 12:33 pm
Kitt, you are correct that it doesn't spread cow to cow, I misspoke. Thanks for the correction. They can get it from eating feed that contains ground up other cows (ew), not just sheep, which was a common practice in the states to increase protein in their diet. It also may be hereditary which can cause an entire herd to be destroyed as well. Livestock may still be fed to other livetock, however. You can still feed ground up hogs, horses and poultry to your cattle. (ew again). And you can still feed sheep and cows to poultry and pigs.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, January 07, 2005 - 4:09 pm
I didn't mean to be correcting you, it always takes me so long to compile a message that someone else nips in there and posts while I'm writing! I hadn't read your message when I started mine. I think they've stopped any kind of cannibalistic feeding in Britain now. Once bitten, twice shy. Anyway... Disease free pig's blood - still EWWWW!
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, January 07, 2005 - 6:49 pm
They can get it from eating feed that contains ground up other cows (ew), not just sheep, which was a common practice in the states to increase protein in their diet. ***** They just got caught. A law was passed that NO ANIMAL byproducts be put into feed (1993??)and now we find that over 50% of cattle feed was still found to still contain animal protein!! By the way, pigs will eat flesh naturally, so do chickens...Cows are herbivores. That is why it is so distasteful to feed them meat. it is an abberation of nature to do so. THANKS to above posters for clarifying the sweetbreads comment. I know I had read that somewhere...they probably said Brains and sweetbreads (like a stew) I've had brains when I was very young. Chicken head and Foot soup was something my Grandma would make on the farm. It was good and I remember not being grossed out at all by the heads in the bowl. When you are poor you eat all edible parts of an animal that you raise.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 5:49 am
Something would have had to have been added to the pigs blood to keep it keep it from clotting so maybe that made it safe. Most infective parasites are found in animal tissue rather than the blood stream. Actual blood parasites like heartworm microfilara have to be injected into a host in be infective.Fast forwards used to be routine tasks. Now we see things like getting all your hair cut off and drinking blood. I wonder why they changed them.
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Ar_jammer
Member
11-17-2004
| Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 9:05 am
fast forward = fear factor and i do not like that show.
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1kid4us
Member
07-30-2002
| Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 9:14 am
they didn't really change anything. the tasks have been something that the region believes in. shaving your head was a religious pratice in that region on the last AR. and drinking the blood was something that they used to do in budapest. Is it gross? Heck yea the blood was gross, but it is something that the country used to believe in. I like the fact that AR is showing us different customs and more about the countrys as well. it's like a history lesson, minus the old smelly teacher and boring slide shows. JMO
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Weinermr
Member
08-18-2001
| Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 8:04 pm
My teachers were never smelly and I love slide shows and film strips.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 10:23 pm
*****sniffs under arm**** - -Nope -- no smelly teacher here! LOL
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 11:20 pm
Some of my teachers were smelly, and I even had one that gnawed on his own tongue as a habit. But I hated the films and slideshows, unless I was tired and could take a quick nap. I also love the show 'Fear Factor', so the gross out stuff like drinking blood is fine with me. It was a tie-in with local lore about possible vampires, so it worked. I just think it's kind of telling that no other team went for the FF, and a few of the teams stated outright that they knew Bolo & Lori would go for it even though they were in the lead...we're not seeing enough, I don't think, to judge these people...
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Annie
Member
11-10-2004
| Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 12:25 am
fast foward=fear factor. I must say, it would depend on what your meaning of "fear" is. Some don't have a problem doing gross out things, while others have a problem doing things concerning heights. It's an individual thing. Me?? there isn't enough money in the world to make me eat something I consider gross ie: lutefisk, raw oysters, rattlesnake etc, and those are considered good by many many people. If they can eat the gross, good on them!!
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Schoolmarm
Member
02-18-2001
| Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 1:46 am
GAG! I had to eat Lutefisk every Christmas when Grandma was still alive. Besides being smelly (Codfish cured in lye), I was allergic to seafood, and we didn't know it. GAG! GAG! GAG! I remember puking out in the snow or the outhouse GAG GAG GAG. My Mom, however, loves lutefisk on a piece of lefse with mashed potatotes. Sounds like wasting a perfectly good piece of lefse to me. They should have had a lutefisk challenge when they were in Norway. Only poor people in Norway eat lutefisk nowadays! But there are churches in the upper midwest that STILL have lutefisk congregational suppers. One bite-sized piece of lutefisk will take the stains out of all your coffee cups and clean the residue out of your dishwasher. Wonder what it does to your stomach?
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 7:07 am
At a Midsommer Festival in Kingman, CA a few years back I was in a Lutefisk eating contest. Only 5 of us were brave enough to try. It sounds terrible but is okay (bland). All the lye is washed out before cooking.
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1kid4us
Member
07-30-2002
| Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 2:43 pm
sorry teachmichigan.. no offense..my grandfather is rolling over in his grave at this moment because he was a history teacher, in michigan of all places as well. LOL!! I was putting two of my teachers that i had in one sentence. i had a smelly one and a teacher that showed us slides every friday. other than that i really did enjoy history!!
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 3:18 pm
LOL -- no offense taken! I was taught how to use a slide projector (and a reel to reel) --but DVDs rule the roost now! (And I've had a few teachers who REALLY needed breath mints -- so I know what you mean.) I typically use movies when I need some grading time. When I schedule my classes' semester work, I try to coincide the "due date" of one class w/the movie date of another! Doesn't always work, but it helps. UGG -- Lutefisk sounds nasty. I like the physical challenges better than the 'gross' ones, but I do appreciate the little bit of cultural education that has been included w/ each one so far.
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Schoolmarm
Member
02-18-2001
| Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 3:39 pm
Somehow, I don't think Grandma got all the lye out! 
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Monday, January 10, 2005 - 7:36 am
Might have worked to bleach teeth!! Someone did have to eat lutefisk on Big Brother.. season three, I think..
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Earthmother
Member
07-14-2002
| Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 9:56 am
Can't someone save us from further weeks of JOHN??? I can't stand him. I wonder what his wife's family thinks about the way he speaks to her. My husband said that if that were his daughter, John would have a black eye in his final interview.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 10:00 pm
I'm starting to really not like his wife, either, Earthmom. Her screeching while he was stomping the grapes was a bit, well, ack! I think those two deserve each other, but I sure wish I didn't have to view 'em any more!
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 10:24 am
Jon reminds me of my (ex) son in law. He acted in the same manner as Jon does. Everything is his wifes fault and he doesn't confront other people around him and in fact can be quite nice. This is why some people think he's not as bad as we think. He works at making strangers like him and cons them into thinking he's just an A personality. Gus was one that he thought he could get away with it but he didn't bite. Jon is polite to most of the people around him and you can see this when he tells people thank you and sometimes shows concern ( they are fleeting on the show). This is because he does care about what other people think of him. His wife is not one of them. I think he was told to cool it after the shoving incident and now she thinks she has some of the power in their relationship. This couple should have been weeded out before the race (to show his dual personality) as they make people uncomfortable to watch.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 12:43 pm
For some reason I am sitting here thinking about those two little hair prongs on Adam's head. I really want to cut them off. Is this actually a hair style or is Adam just an individualist. ps I really do have better things to think about. Really!
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Gen
Member
08-22-2003
| Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 2:12 pm
I'm with you Doc! Either cut them off or yank the heck out of them! 
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 3:13 pm
It actually started as a cutesy hairstyle that Rebecca started ...
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