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The TVClubHouse: Amazing Race Archives: Amazing Race VI: AR General Discussions: ** TONIGHT'S SHOW -- Nov 30 ** SPOILERS **: Archive through December 03, 2004 users admin

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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That sounds great about Jack and his wife. Old, short, happily married and full of juice!

BBFan, I kind of agree about Victoria. Besides didn't Jonathan almost show a moment of weakness there when he was actually concerned about her in the hay bales?

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Victoria was a Playboy bunny, as per pictures on their website. So, I'm thinking cars and money weren't so much an issue for her.

I just thought you may have been suggesting that women who are in abusive relationships HAVE the power to leave, which isn't necessarily true. And the suggestion that a woman would rather stay in an abusive relationship over looking for a job or a car, was a bit harsh. I just thought you sort of over-simplified the issue of a woman leaving an abusive relationship.

Maybe I just read too much into your post. If so, my sincere apologies.

Bbfanatic
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08-14-2000

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jimmer - I think Johnathon did show a moment of weakness there . Maybe he needs some juice :-)



Bbfanatic
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08-14-2000

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh my eey, you read waaaayyy more into my post than what I was saying. There is not one part of what you read into it that is correct. My point was that in her "position" there are many factors that would make her transition easier. The factors are that she does have a job, probably a car, money, and no children at this point. I believe those are 4 (of many) reasons why people stay in relationships. That is ALL I meant by my post.
I dont consider that harsh. I consider it true.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
NO transition is easier if the man feels you are his property and will do ANYTHING to regain you back...that is why there are so many FULL safehouses for women leaving abusive men. They'll hunt you down like a runaway dog.

Anyways, enough of my rant. I am glad so many people agreed with my statement (1am) that any teams should have a chance at winning. I live in a town full of elderly people (around 70% over 55 yrs old) and you should see the tons of older people at Fun-runs and hardcore Ironman kind of races. I'd love to see a couple of elderly ironmans as a team. Holy smokes they'd give the youngsters a surprise! }

Bbfanatic
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08-14-2000

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am afraid of heights, spiders, mice, and snakes. I think TAR would be a great way to overcome some of those fears. My swimming isnt the greatest. I think I would be fine with that part.

I just would fear the up close butt shots in my swimsuit the most. :-)

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 3:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the point we are trying to make, is that YOUR factors are IMMATERIAL when a woman is in an abusive relationship. Whether she has commitments or financial security, those things mean nothing to a woman who is being abused.

Bbfanatic
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08-14-2000

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 3:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You are right! It would be soooo much easier to finally make a transition if she had did not have a car, a job, money, and had children to think about.
Having NOT to have to think about just those 4 important things helps when it comes time to make a move. Everything that a person has working for them does make a difference. If not a lot, it at least helps matter.


Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Last night's show was one of the more annoying, as a viewer. Too much reliance on chance, and too many points where everyone was bunched up regardless of how they'd done in the last task. I felt so bad for the woman with the hay bales. I know it's all the luck of the game, and realistically she probably missed a few clues and could have finished earlier, but that was such a tough way to leave the show, particularly as they had done so well in the previous laps. Great to see how they supported each other though.

I wasn't keen on how the older gentleman (Mr Mary Jane) tried to get out of counting the bears. If the girl had said ok I bet the AR people would have given them a big penalty - or at least they should have done. IMO getting a senior discount when it's available is using everything available to you, cheating is abusing your position.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 7:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kitt,

That's a bit harsh don't you think? Poor man was just exhausted you can't blame him. I'm glad they made it to the pit stop. I'm still not sure who I'm rooting for all I know is that I want Jonathan GONE!!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 7:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Trying to keep guessing is not necessarily cheating at all...

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 7:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i agree, julieboo.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I find that some people want it both ways. They talk a good game about how they are going to win based on brains and ability and then at the same time they want people to give them a break because of some disadvantage they may have. They clearly wanted her to give them a break because of their age.

Also, I dislike roadblocks that involve random chance that determine the outcome of the game. Last night's show was very frustrating to watch.

And I agree with BBFanatic that while it may be extremely hard to leave an abusive relationship, there are factors that would work to your advantage or disadvantage in doing so (financial circumstances, family support, children to worry about, etc.).

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Karen - a much belated "thank you" for the link to the TWOP show summary. It was laugh-out-loud funny - the kind of thing that my cat HATES for me to read!

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 11:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It really annoys me when they all end up at the same place no matter how well they did on the leg and have to wait hours and hours for a place to open or for transportation and they all get on at the same time no matter how well they did on the leg. To me, that makes no sense and I'd be really ticked that those who didn't do as well ended up in the same place if I had done really well. FWIW!!

Ar_jammer
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11-17-2004

Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought the same thing Watching2. My wife will say "well what was the point of that?, they are all in the same place again!". What can you say? It doesn't really bother me. The show needs to have drama and I think its normal for the detour to be the deciding factor in each segment of the race. Isn't that right? The show normally has a roadblock and then the detour? Not sure. But if you think about it, it would be hard to not have teams come back together and of course its good for "action" because most of teams are together doing the same activity. You have to wonder how much the production company tries to keep teams from getting too far ahead.

random thoughts...

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Isn't that just part of the game? Last season I don't think there would have been people complaining if Colin & Christie had been put out when his ox was broken...and didn't the same thing put the brothers out during the sand-sifting exercise? There wasn't a huge outcry then.

Part of this game is chance.

Kitt
Member

09-06-2000

Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
No, I don't think I was a bit harsh! Unless I misheard him he wanted the counting referee girl to let them through without them giving the correct answer because they were "40 years older" than the rest of them. I didn't mind them asking if they were close, or guessing around the number they originally said, but I did think trying to get her to just let them through because they were older was unsportsmanlike. No big deal though, I don't mind them, it was just a comment.


Karen
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09-07-2004

Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, Roxip. While I understand your concerns, Watching, can you imagine how boring it would be if they didn't have those equalizers? If one team ended up doing really well, and by the fifth or sixth episode, they're two or three legs ahead of the rest? I like that they keep bunching them up to keep them at pace with each other.

Besides, they still have the motivation to finish their tasks well -- if you're the first person to the gate at 10pm, and you find you have to wait until 8am, well, that gives you ten hours to rest. The last team that shows up at, say, 3:30 in the morning, only gets a couple of hours. More rest ususally equals more mental and physical ability. Just a thought.

I don't think you were being harsh, either, Kitt. I was disappointed that Don would stoop to trying that, but at the same time, I was wondering what the producers would have to say about it if he was successful. Although, I was thinking too, are they allowed to guess? If I had been counting and knew that I was close to the right number, would I be allowed to guess, "2309? No? 2308? 07? 06?"

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was hard to see Lena and Kristy eliminated that way because I liked them, but every team had the same opportunity at that detour, so there was nothing unfair about it. I think if you go in as a female-female team you are taking a risk that you could fall behind on a detour that involves strength. At some point the 6 detour limit may be a deciding factor if there is some really physical challenge towards the end.

Meridian
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09-23-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 4:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe Don was confused for a moment and thought he was playing the "Clock Game" on The Price is Right?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree that there is nothing inherently unfair about detours and roadblocks that involve random chance as everyone has an equal opportunity of winning them.

What I don’t like to see is a team that tries very hard, eliminated largely because of incredibly poor luck. The way the game was set-up on the show, Lena arrived early, put in a tremendous effort and hunted through a huge number of hay bales and yet was unlucky enough to not find a ticket.

I think that it would be much better if these games involved random chance, but with some overall limitation.

For example, each team could have a section with 10 hay bales. The earlier teams to arrive and the stronger, faster and more determined players would have an advantage, but there would be an element of luck involved in how fast you happen to pick the hay bale with the hidden ticket. If you have bad luck you may have to go through all ten hay bales before finding the ticket. However (and this is important), you would find a ticket after going through the ten hay bales. There is chance involved, but the bad luck is ultimately limited and the better teams would have a chance to overcome their bad luck and prevail (actually a good life lesson).

IMO leaving so much to luck made it a very frustrating and disappointing show to watch.

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jimmer, that is a very good point and I think that would have been a better way to set up that challenge. I still can't figure out how she could go through over 100 bales and not find a ticket when it seemed like some people found them right away. As you said, incredibly poor luck.

Luck seems to play a large part in determining AR. Chip and Kim never would have won if they had not been a lot later getting to the airport and finding out about the weather issues.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 6:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Speaking of Chip and Kim.. their website is here

I used to fret about the bunching but have learned to accept it (grudgingly at times) because, as Phil has pointed out, they can't have people strung out across the world, and he does individually greet each team at the pitstop, or if the last team/s is/are too far behind, he goes to them, as he did to the guys at the pyramids, or to the girls this week.

Karen, actually once a team gets to the pitstop they have a mandatory time period they must stay at the pitstop, so they get the same amount of rest but of course it is usually better to be among the first to leave, unless there is an immediate and long bunching at the beginning of a leg. I do wish they'd get rid of that sort of thing.. not schedule the first part of a leg at a place that is only open for part of the day. Not that they asked me..

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, December 03, 2004 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Sea, we always love to hear your thoughts!!!