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Kappy
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06-29-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just saw a preview and don't have all the specifics but Dr. Phil is doing a prime time(?) show on Tuesday, Feb. 15th, about couples and he will doing an interview with Jonathan and Victoria.

At one point, he asks them something to the effect of "America doesn't think this is okay, why do you?" And at another point he appears to be telling Jonathan to let Victoria speak and stop telling her what to say or to speak for her.

I will tune in simply because I'd like to hear them explain how they think their treatment of each other is acceptable. And since they obviously plan to stay together, it'd be nice to think that someone (Dr. Phil or anyone) could help them with their relationship before they start considering bringing children into it.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I really do NOT like Dr Phil. I think he's just found a tv-friendly way to bully people. But as it's Jonathan he's bullying maybe I could cut Dr Phil some slack . The clip I've seen is where he says something like (to Jonathan) "do you know you're a jerk, is that the person you want to be?". Jonathan actually looks pretty upset.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, February 14, 2005 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And since I do like Dr. Phil (sorry Kitt, not trying to be argumentative) I hope he tears into Jonathan. Unfortunately, my problem with Dr. Phil lately is that he seems to be going for more and more sensationalistic stuff instead of doing what he does best - which is help real people. Lately on his show he has been getting the "big cases" on more and more - it makes me uncomfortable.

The reason I like Dr. Phil so much - he doesn't sugarcoat his message to people who need to GET A CLUE! (But I also understand that is what a lot of people don't like about him.)

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I liked Dr. Phil at first, but now he just strikes me as one who believes his own press. That said, I started watching this eppy 'cause of J&V but only caught the first 10 minutes. Anyone out there watch? What happened to the first couple? I thought I'd roflmao at the look on the guys face when Dr. Phil told him that his girl considered sex a duty. I tell my DH if he wants the fire at night he needs to stoke the coals all day. Yeah, I get that "hunh?" look, but I keep trying. The men I've known just don't get it. So, did they break off their engagement?
What about J&V? The previews I saw showed Dr. P asking J if he was coaching V on her answers in the interview; Dr. P asked V why she feels she has to put up with J's behavior; and if J thought he was the jerk the whole world thought he was. I really wanted to see J be forced to look at who he was (he probably still wouldn't think it was him...it's all editing, anyway, right?) and have someone, anyone, put him in his place. AND THEN I MISS IT!!! Can you help me chant..."homework bad...homework bad...homework bad..."
Nah, it's my own fault...I should've had it done over the weekend...lol


Gen
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08-22-2003

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 9:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bluejax, sorry I can't tell you what happened with the first couple. I was switching between channels. I did catch J & V though. You're right, it was all in the editing - taken out of context, same old, same old. It was a total "fluff" interview. Dr. P didn't really get anywhere with them. The only good thing that I heard was that V's family was very concerned about her welfare. Hopefully they will continue to keep an eye out for her.

Lycanthrope
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09-19-2002

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 9:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If anyone caught this that would like to post a transcript, please do. I didn't get a chance to catch it.

Ocean_islands
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 10:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They basically said they weren't like they were shown on tv. So what? They probably a little bit like they were shown, and a little bit not.

Dr. Phil needs to go now. He does not care about people -- he only wants big ratings by making them do stupid things and reveal vulnerable feelings .... all for a ravenous audience of Jerry Springer lovers.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 10:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OI, I didn't know you were a Jerry Springer fan.

Hippyt
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06-15-2001

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 10:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lol,OI,I am surprised you watched. I would never subject myself to another minute of Jonathan,and combined with Dr. Phil.RUN AWAY.
I disagree,Dr. Phil is going for a much different audience than Jerry.The sad housewives,the fat women. Dr Phil is all about the women. He has a cliche for every woman.
Jerry was all about the fighting.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 11:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
this is the first time i have ever watched dr. phil and it was only to see how much/if jonathan would try and control things.
with jonathan and victoria, i felt jonathan had done some heavy talking (brainwashing) or 'damage control' with victoria before this was ever filmed. the entire 'vibe' i got tonight was: victoria had better shed jonathan in a good light or there would be hell to pay later. i did not feel victoria said what she truly felt, but what she felt she should say. half the time, jonathan spoke for her or at least started to speak for her; i felt victoria took her 'lead' from what jonathan would start to say. to me it felt completely orchestrated by jonathan.
the only good part for me was when dr. phil said he could tell with 90% accuracy who would divorce...then he didn't make a prediction with j/v.
i kept thinking if jonathan was smart, he would apologize profusely and earnestly about how he was shown on the TAR tape pushing victoria; but his whole thing was, "not this tape again! we have seen it over and over." it was just a pain in tush to him to have this tape out there and i never did feel he was sorry about what happened--only that it was caught on tape.

for some reason, this j/v relationship puts me in mind of dorothy stratton (star 80)...
i, too, was glad that victoria's family asked her if she was okay...but who knows if they got a 'real' answer.
when i was an abused wife, i had to lie all the time to friends and family.
i don't know these people but i don't like the familiar feeling they stir up in me.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I second what Tabby said.

Also, I was irritated when Dr. Phil didn't go on to predict if they'll get a divorce.

I was very disappointed in this interview.

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did they show the clip from the Insider Video from the minutes after J/V were eliminated? Jonathan said in the clip that is was all Victoria's fault. That was the final nail in the coffin for me. I never wanted to see these two on screen, but I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt as to how they were away from the cameras. But when I saw how J, even after the game was over, had to point fingers at his wife - just finished for me.

IMO - he clearly treats her horribly. She reacts by whining and making mean barbs back. So unhealthy. If they want each other? Fine by me - it will save other potential spouses from the dysfunction. I just hope they don't bring children into it.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I saw most of the show.

Bluejax, the first couple stayed engaged and kind of got re-engaged, he presented her with a new ring that Dr. Phil/the show paid for. I thought it was funny that Dr. Phil had someone type up the sex contract in legal terms. She reads some or all of it and the engaged guy said it sounded sad or something like that. He let Dr. Phil shred it. Then he wrote a sort of love letter to his girl and put it in the sex contract envelope.

Re J&V, I felt Dr. Phil implied that they fall into the category of the people who are headed for divorce. He said something like, it's not whether you fight or not but how you leave things after the fight and how you fight...ie. derogatory name calling ... something like that. Obviously the footage showed that J was calling V names and putting her down...thus, they fall into the category headed for divorce. To that J did say that they never go to bed mad at each other. I agree with Tabby that it seemed J did some coaching to V before the interview and that she was saying what she was supposed to say (according to J). I like how Dr. Phil called him out when they were going to a clip and that's when J started talking quietly to V about things - he thought his mike would be off/not picked up because of the video clip. Well, they postponed the viewing of the clip right then because Dr. Phil asked him what he was doing/was he coaching V. That was good.

Gina, I'm not sure if they showed that particular clip. I think they did show a clip with J saying it was all V's fault, but I'm not sure and if they did, I'm not sure if it occurred when they were eliminated, it may have been during the race. I'm sure he said at least a few times that things were all her fault.

I, too, really hope they never have children.

One more thing, they showed the clip of V telling J to act like a man and J saying to V to act like a woman and shut up...something like that. Well, V tells Dr. Phil something defending J and J says he likes women ... that "PLayboy is a big part of my life..." I LOL in disgust at that one...there is no correlation, sorry Jonathan! I know she was a playmate/bunny whatever they are called. Anyway, he also said a few times that things were taken out of context, like them showing the end of a 2 hr whining/arguing session.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I got the impression that Jonathan and Victoria are so clueless about their own effect on people that Dr. Phil just gave up - they are so caught up in their own reality that nothing that is said to them is going to have any result. <RA> I think he's been too way many of those seminars that preach on how you are the center of your own universe. <RA>

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I got the impression that that whole segment was HIGHLY edited. It was so "clippy". Not a single minute of it seemed continuous. The answers did not flow with the questions. I have it on tape, it just doesn't seem natural. I feel the producers edited Jonathan to make him look bad (again). Sure he acted poorly in the race, and I was not a fan AT ALL, but at least the editing on TAR was subtle.

Dr Phil's show was like a video version of one of those ransom note made out of newspaper letters.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I totally agree with you Eeyore. It was very clippy. And I also agree with whomever said that Victoria seemed drugged. She was very groggy-like.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 12:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
She did seem groggy to me also. It looked like Jonathan had tons of makeup on and mascara!

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 12:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone catch when Victoria said they moved in with each on their first date?

Like attracts like, I suppose.

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Happy, for the info. I loved the looks/smirks on the stenographer's face as she typed the contract requirements. And that's pretty much the last I saw. wtf was up with the segment about Dr.P coaching some woman how to flirt? Huh?
Thanks, again.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 6:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have never watched Dr. Phil before and only watched to see Jonathan and Victoria. I was left saying to myself "So does Dr. Phil think they were a viable couple or not?" I wish he would have said directly if he thought they should stay together.Jonathan gave me the creeps, as usual. Skipping around amoung 3 stories of different emotional impact threw me off. No more Dr. Phil for me

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I haven't watched Dr. Phil in a long time since I feel like a lot of others do - he's gotten caught up in his own press image. That being said, I do remember when he was really tough on people when they were on Oprah. Jonathan dominated the conversation and Phil dropped the ball at the end. In parts of the interview it sounded like he was calling Jonathan on the carpet but when it ended all I could think of was the whole thing was just BS. The "old" Dr. Phil would have really let Jonathan have it and tell Victoria what she is allowing. I thought it was a total waste of time and only done for ratings. Too bad. Hopefully, her family and friends will keep an eye on her and not brush off what they've seen.

I also "pfffffffffffft!" when Jonathan said he loved women and mentioned Playboy. Uh duh Jon... that's not a lot about respecting women now, is it? I always thought it was a "bit objectifying", but what do I know?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A pure ratings grab - blech!

Shelb724
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10-20-2002

Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i switched the channel when i saw that it was going to be other couples, knowing they were saving j and v for last. figured i would get good information from you :-). thanks!

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
To take a partial quote from Judge Milian on "People's Court", "I am soooooo done (with Jonathan and Victoria) you can stick a fork in me!"

Let's hope their 15 minutes are UP!

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 10:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My read on J&V is that V is not the swiftest arrow in the quiver and that she is very impressed by J and will go along with anything he says to be with him. J seems like a control freak who sees women as objects and gets incredibly frustrated when V shows any independent thought or action. I don't see love I see codependency.