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Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here's what I had a problem with Colin's behavior way beyond the whole payment incident.

#1 - The "Hakuna Matata" comment was very disrespectful and borderline, if not over the line, racist. So you’re in an African country and your only comment is to sarcastically quote from the Lion King? WTF Just because you didn’t speak the language and you think you're smarter than the people in the country you're visiting? This pissed me off more than anything.
My friends and I were watching and when he said that our mouths dropped open like and we all said did <Colin> just say "Hakuna Matata".

The best line from the police office at the desk after Colin asked "Do you speak English?" was his reply "Do you speak Swhalli?" - I almost appluded for that one. If everyone he's talked with speaks english then <Colin> the police officer is going to speak english as well if he works in the airport.

#2 - Throwing the money at the police officers. If the cameras hadn't been there he would have his butt resting in jail for a few days. You cannot play pissed American in another country heck I don't travel the world and I know that much.

What got me most outside of what I listed was that he really thought he could just walk out the police station without paying anything and that they wouldn't stop him. Um if you owe someone money and you don't pay...guess what you don't get a free ride and you sure as heck don't get to be rude to an officer.

His whole behavior was completely out of line. The fact that Christy wound up saying that she shouldn't have been mad at him just showed what type of relationship they have but if she's happy in that then what can you do.

<SY>


Calamity
Member

10-18-2001

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well said, Mssilhouette.

Unreliable local transportation is a hazard of the Race and of travel in general, for that matter. Sure, it's frustrating but teams have to be prepared to deal with it. Colin and Christie's cab breakdown appeared to be simple bad luck. It was Colin's behavior that escalated the situation into such an ordeal.

I was also distressed by Christie's apology. Neither of them have behaved like angels but if one owed the other an apology, it was definitely Colin. And I was really angered when he attempted to twist the story and blame her for what happened when he was talking to the other teams. Guess he figured he could save some face that way. What a terrific partner.

Maybe from now on everyone should just check the tires and dashboard instruments before selecting a cab!

Now for the twins...you jump out of a plane and still finish in last place. That's just not right. I felt bad for them although it was their own indecision that cost them. I'm okay with Phil taking any reserve money that the team has left when they reach the pit stop but I wish that instead of no funds for the next leg the team would get a severe time penalty. Or maybe give them less money than the other teams. The begging and panhandling make me very uncomfortable.

I'm really rooting for Chip and Kim. The moms are nice but they haven't done anything that has really impressed me so far (no, still being the race doesn't count, lol). And I missed Mirna and Charla too, faults and all.

Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 11:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I felt a little bad for the twins. For once they tried to show caution in their impulsive directional decisions and it still bit 'em in the butt. I also noticed they had a ton of money left compared to some players. All that careful saving for naught.

I would not want to be two women alone in an arab country trying to beg for money. I'm thankful that in reality the camera crew is with them.

I was surprised by many/most of the women wearing shorts in Dubai. I would think out of respect to the country they could cover their legs. I remember watching that Road Rules episode where the women had stones thrown at them for going out in skimpy outfits in Morocco. I'm not condoning stone throwing, but I also think you should at least attempt to follow the travelers rule of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do".

B4ugogo
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09-09-2002

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Is the "yield" that no one has used still part of the game?

Calamity
Member

10-18-2001

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
B4ugogo: I believe so. They haven't mentioned it since the first episode. But in past seasons, they didn't describe FFs when no one went for them on a leg so I'm guessing the Yield is still available. No doubt waiting to aggravate me if/when someone finally uses it, lol.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes it is B4ugogo. I'd have thought the producers would be strongly hinting that the Yield is available! I also presume it's used some time this season or they'd have edited it out of the show and pretended it never existed!

I think it's unfair to expect a team to shave their head for the FF. I only hope it's clear that's what they'll have to do before they choose to take the FF, if they have to spend time to find the FF and then decide they can't do it that's very cruel, imo.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What Mssilhouette said.

My jaw hit the floor at the Hakuna Matata statement.

And as disgusting as I find Colin's bullying of others, I'm even more disgusted to watch Christie take it and then apologize to him for her behavior. I just can't even wrap my mind around why a woman would want to be in such a relationship.

I also agree about Nicole. She acts like she's SO spoiled.

I don't know what I'll do if Colin/Christie win this thing. I'll be more sad than when Flo won. So glad Kim/Chip are still in it -- they deserve the win.

Realfan
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08-08-2001

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Christy's family needs to stage an intervention for that girl, STAT. She has got to get out of that abusive relationship. She must have incredibly low self-esteem possible to take his crap, then apologize for her own behavior. Her family needs to lock her in a room and show her Collin's rantings and ravings on a continual loop until she GETS IT.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thank you Mssilhouette! As Kc103 said above, Colin and Nic should be a team and let Brandon and Christy be the other team. Nic and Colin are just....something that will get me modded.

Kc103
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07-13-2004

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Cheers, Tishala!

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am hoping that Christy is just backing down and apologizing to keep the peace until the game is over. Guys like that just aren't rational. I hope she gets far away from him when the game is over.

Redstar
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07-07-2003

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Happy, a coworker and I were discussing the C/C situation, and he agrees with you - Christy is focused on the game and was just humoring Colin.

I do not think that Colin is "abusive," although I do think he's very controlling. However, I do think that TAR is a great way for dating/engaged couples to see what their prospective partner is really like under severe stress. If I were Christy, I would be thinking, "Is this the person I want to be with if the family home burns down or our child has a life-threatening or severe chronic health condition?" It's one thing to have a temper flare-up, another to have a multiple hour meltdown.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 4:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<SY> He sure is. Maybe he has not gotten physically abusive, but what we saw last night was certainly abusive nonetheless. To the locals and to Christy.

Max
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08-12-2000

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 4:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I haven't had time to read everything here, but I just watched my tape of last night's show and had to make some comments. My apologies if I echo things that have already been said without giving proper recognition to the sage wisdom of those who posted before me. :-)

First off, the positive stuff: I continue to love Chip and Kim and the bowling moms. They have great attitudes and keep smiling even when things go awry. Kim is right about Chip -- he needs to watch the money better and he's so personable and friendly with folks that it helps them make it through easier. They both just seem like wonderful people.

The bowling moms also seem great. When the car broke down, they were totally polite and patient, even though they were frustrated. Rather than get angry (even when the twins didn't stop), they just smiled and said they hoped to be able to catch up later. I love that.

The models were relatively quiet this time, although the gal got a little hot under the collar over the money for the taxi. I kept hearing Dr. Phil saying, "Do you want to be happy or do you want to be right?" I hope she looks back now and sees how the panic of the situation brought out a not-so-pretty side of her with regards to how she deals with stress. It was a nice contrast, though, to see how the two of them handled this as a couple as opposed to the way Colin and Christy acted.

Which brings us to the negative comments!

Let's take the twins first. These two need to BREATHE more. They talked about how they needed to stop rushing and slow down. They had that realization, but they didn't have the ability to put it into action. All-in-all they were less obnoxious this time than in earlier episodes, but they are still irritating to watch. When they sped past the broken down taxi, I think it was a low moment for them and it came back to haunt them later. They got off lucky with this not being an elimination round. From the previews, I'm not sure what to think about how they handle the no money situation next week. I'm sure it won't be in as up-front a way as the bowling moms did when they were in that spot.

Okay, Colin and Christy. I'll try to be somewhat nice here and phrase things such that I don't violate any board rules -- but it's going to be tough! These folks have irritated me pretty much from the beginning, but last night's show was definitely the capper. Uh, Colin? Next time you choose a taxi, maybe you should look at the tires first. And next time you travel abroad, don't think you're going to be so lucky to get away with throwing money in a policeman's face. Good grief! This guy is just WAY too tightly wrapped. I kept rooting for the police officer, wanting him to throw Colin's butt in jail so the bowling moms could get on the second charter flight. He acted like a beligerant fool and he blamed almost all of it on Christy who was simply standing there trying to get him to get off the money so they could go. Geez, it's not even HIS money! And didn't he think that since the taxi drivers all quoted the same amount, all the other teams would be paying that, too, so it must be figured into the budget for that leg of the race? Oh, no, not Mr. Colin-the-Wonderful! He seemed to think he knew better than anyone how everything should be done. I sincerely hope that Christy just apologized to try and smooth things over for the rest of the race. If she really meant that, then she needs some serious self-esteem boosting. And Colin needs a really, really good anger-management class.

When they were the first ones at the pit stop, I was REALLY hoping that Phil would tell them they were being assessed a penalty for being the epitome of the ugly American traveller and that, oh by the way, the police were fining them an additional $100, which they would have to deduct from their allocation for the next leg of the race. Okay, a girl can dream! :-)

If these two win, I'm going to be extremely disappointed.

GO CHIP AND KIM!
GO BOWLING MOMS!

Chy
Member

07-19-2003

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 5:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow-ho, everyone said just about the exact thoghts I've been thinking about since the show.

If you read up thread, at the time of the show, many of us had that dropped-jaw happened when Colin said "Yeah, no problem, Hakuna Matata.."
When Christy said sorry to him, we all jumped in at the same minute, too.

But I rewatched the tape to go to bed with, and did noticed all those other details posters mentioned here.
1.) They were lucky they had camera crew w/them! I am from one of the biggest cities in Asia. But I still know of many places, not 30-40 min. from cities, where local police could have just make instant judgments, throw him in jail over night, let him state his case with the judge the next 9 or 10am when the court decides to hear him. Since he probably did not have any local to vouch for him, he'd more than likely have to spent some time on cement block.

2.) He's lucky they didn't consider him disrespectful toward their President! -- remember him saying stuff like "I won't pay you more even if your President comes, bring him on!(PP)"

3.) Again, if they weren't filming everything, the money throwing action could even be viewed worse than refuse to pay up!
Kc103, Colin was still fighting until the police officer said something like if he didn't pay, both of them were not allowed to leave.

4.) In the police station, whenever Christy tried to reason with him, he kept yelling "You stop what you're doing(PP)"
And I'm glad someone also mentioned his spinning, after they went back to the airport, trying to tell other teams that if it wasn't Christy, he would have gotten things done his way.
I am also inclined to believe that, the poor girl was just holding her tongue for the game. Lots of money involved. She might not care about the money but she'd care very much not to be branded "The awful girl who cost Colin the huge prize" the rest of her life!

Dynair
Member

01-06-2004

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I really enjoyed reading this thread today, as Colin's behavior was so unacceptable last night that I was fuming. Nice to know others were disturbed by it, too. I don't have a lot to add at this point. I read over the spoilers also. Thank you Raen, you're coverage of the show was excellent.

Chip's attitude and enthusiasm is so refreshing. His comments on the beauty of the countries and the people bring a sense of wonder and appreciation to the show. I loved seeing his money karma come back to him, although I agree with Kim, that they just can't afford to extravagant.

The bowling Moms really do seem to have the worst luck! I love the fact that they are always good sports and trying to be upbeat when they must, at times, feel quite discouraged.

Go Chip & Kim!
Go Bowling Moms!





Maris
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03-28-2002

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didnt post up to now because I was so steamed and offended by Colin/Christie and Brandon/Nicole. Their disrespect for the for the people of the country where they were guests was absolutely apalling and they were an embarrassement.

I would like to see those two couples gone pronto.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
colin was his usual horrid, self-centered, self. ick...
i said, "hunh?!" with the one twin saying they were 'young and cute' so it wouldn't be hard to get the money next week when they have to start with none... they are way too skinny and i don't care for their attitudes. but, hey, whatever it takes!
still liking kim and chip and the bowling moms best.
it's been said alison and donny broke up after this show, and i hope to hear the same about colin and christie, although they did win that trip.....i'd let him have it to himself and figure i was well-off once he shoved off :-)

still thinking he and flo would be a gruesome twosome LOL


Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 5:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Don't forget, Tabbyking... not only are they "young and cute" but they're "young," "cute," and also "fast."

HAHAHAHAHA

Tabbyking
Member

03-11-2002

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 6:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
alas, i had forgotten the 'fast'!! i guess, being twins, they are twice as fast?!

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That Colin is sooooo lucky I am not traveling with him! I would have slapped him "six ways from Sunday" - a strictly Southern procedure - on the first day out. He would have continued on - if he was able to continue on - as a much improved and respectful human being!!

Tabbyking
Member

03-11-2002

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
hey, tntitanfan, i guess the south doesn't have a monopoly on the slappin' '6 ways from sunday', cause i was thinking the exact same thing and i'm from california :-) but i think i say '6 ways TO sunday', so that may be the regional difference LOL
i am thinking he is much less than a real man, so i now will refer to him as 'semi-colin'.....ehehehheeeee!

Kc103
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07-13-2004

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 9:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Dynair, I find Chip's attitude refreshing also. I hope that his philosophy of whatever you put out there comes back to you...and he and Kim win!:-)

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 9:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hi Everyone!
I've been scratching around looking for everyone; posted my heartfelt comments even in the Colin/Christie thread about Ugly Americans.

FINALLY, I noticed this Spoilers thread and realized 'Hey, since I've already seen the show - there's nothing left to spoil!' So THIS is where you all hang out!

I totally agree with your comments. Colin&Christie and Brandon/Nicole are embarrassments, IMO. I'm going to be sick especially if Colin manages to win. Maybe, when Christie sees this show and how abusive Colin is, she will wise up. But that's unlikely, since Colin will prolly insist on watching it WITH her, screeching for her to fetch his beers. (I absolutely agree that her family needs to do some serious intervention-ing! If he's this abusive at the "courting stage", imagine what other behavior is probably in store!)


Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 9:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hi all, just now getting over to this thread. Been spending soooooo much time over on the BB5 threads.

I agree with everyone's comments on this week's show.

Colin truly was an "ugly american". No wonder so many people in other countries dislike us. I also agree Christie needs to break off this abusive relationship.

The twins, Kami & Karli. It's all been said before. My main impression is that most of the time they're totally clueless as to what to do in this game.

Nicole has been not so nice at times. Hopefully, it's just the stress of the game, though I do think she could be very manipulative of Brandon. Brandon seems nice but at times has seemed to want to be in control (who doesn't???, LOL).

Chip & Kim are outstanding at enjoying the experience and getting the most out of the adventure! I love their enthusiasm.

The bowling moms, Karen & Linda. I love them too! They've been discouraged but tried to maintain a positive attitude and have done so with smiles.