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Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I don't see the Weavers as an underdog. I see them giving as good as they get. Throwing things, saying nasty things, rebuking attempts of the other teams...

It is possible that the Weavers are simply reacting defensively to the other teams... but it is also true that the other teams are acting defensively towards the Weavers as well.

The Weavers are not the put upon innocents they would like others to believe... they are full participants in this "feud" and have done their share to keep the animosity going.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I'm thinking the Weavers have very selective memories. They complain about the other teams being mean to them, yet they seem to have forgotten the times they've done things to others. Like the time they told a boat driver to slow down. Or the time they told the park ranger to give the Linzes a complete history.

I'm also really tired of the poor-pitiful-me-no-one-likes-us routine. Which we heard at least four times last night.

And did anyone notice the irony of them complaining about no one talking to them, yet they stayed hold up in their trailer while doing so?

Utah really is beautiful country. It's unlike any place else in the US (well, anyplace not near the Grand Canyon and Colorado river). The Linzes really seemed to understand that, and appreciate the beauty. However, the Weavers had not one thing positive to say. And I tell you, Monument Valley is truly spectacular, as is Moab.

I thnk the Linzes have been disrespectful to the Weavers, but they have done it in private. I don't exactly condone the house falling thing, but I find it far less repulsive than making fun of someone's occupation (on more than one occasion).

The Bransens seemed to really get their act together this week, too. I really do think that it'll be girls vs guys at the end. I'm not sure how much time the Godlewskis will get as credit for the production error.

I tried to watch the shadows as the teams entered the pit stop area. It was close to high noon when the Linzes entered. When 3rd place Godlewskis entered, it was cloudy and I couldn't tell. When the Weavers entered, the shadows were pretty long and had changed direction. So I'm thinking that they are about 2 hours behind the first place Linz team.

And finally... it's a danged game. If the Weavers can dish it out but can't take it, well (to borrow a word from Judd on Survivor), that's being a "poor sportsmanship."

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Which came first? The chicken or the egg? The Weavers' actions or the Others' actions? Stay tuned to find out - hopefully.

Tigerfan
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11-06-2003

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tigerfan a private message Print Post    
I am convinced with the editing going the way it has, the Weavers will WIN the race, especially after the talk Phil had with them on the mat last night...

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Tiger, I sincerely hope not. Really and truly. Please do NOT let it be so! It'll be as distasteful as Freddy and Kendra's win.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I almost want them to win...so someone can ask them how they plan to spend the money!!

I'm sure it won't be on superficial and materialistic concerns...

Tigerfan
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11-06-2003

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tigerfan a private message Print Post    
Costacat, from your mouth to God's ears...I dont want them to win either, but I cant help but think that is why they have been edited/percieved/shown the way they have been.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I really hope not Tiger fan because if the Weavers win we'll hear all about how it was God's will that the "good" people win. That would be more offensive to me than Freddy and Kendra's win.

The Linz's hoping a house will fall on the Weaver mom is said in fun, with a hearty laugh. The things the Weavers say, about nose jobs, and occupations, and "hating" the other teams is said with disgust and a scowl on their faces. That is the differnce. If the Linz's heard the comments about nose job's, they'd laugh about it as they can give snarks and take them as well.

Shame on you Phil for encouraging them to stay in the race!

Spitfire
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07-18-2002

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spitfire a private message Print Post    
If ya'll think that the Weaver's are being edited and shown in such a great way....why is it that most everyone dislikes them here.

I think some of the comments made by all teams except the Bransens have been rude or whatever. Doesn't mean that for some it's OK and other not.

I think Utah looked beautiful. What's good for me is not good for another. I live in the country and some people say it's horrible and they don't like one thing about it.

Spitfire
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07-18-2002

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spitfire a private message Print Post    
Oh by the way....the Weaver's comments are sometimes said in a harsher way but in my eyes they are acting their age when put up against a wall. In fact at 31 years old, if I'm backed into a wall, my comments tend to sometimes be harsh as well.

Justfun
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11-08-2005

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justfun a private message Print Post    
I agree with Brenda, in that the Linz family can take things as a joke...the Weavers take everything to heart. They don't seem to mind making negative comments about the other teams, but are so offended that anyone would think/say anything but wonderful things about them.

THIS IS A GAME FOR $1 MILLION. That is what gets me about the Weavers. Don't they realize that the Yield is part of the game? Unfortnately for them, both have been used against them. As the Linz family stated, as far as they knew the Weaver family was the next behind them which is a valid reason to Yield a team (although I'm sure the Weavers would have been Yielded anyway). I think that each of the other teams would have Yielded the Weavers too.

In past seasons, most teams make "comments" about every other team they are racing against - they give as good as they get. IMO, it is part of the game. However, the Weavers take it to a new level. It is astonishing how they seem to truly believe they are "good" and eveyone else is not. I get that from the comment last night by a Weaver family member who said something like..."if we are elminated the only good team is gone." (I know that isn't exactly what was said, but it's similar)

What everyone needs to remember - whether we like the Weavers or not- is that none of us are there so we have no idea what is really going on. This applies to ALL reality shows. That is why I hope the real story about the dislike of the Weavers is told.

Don't get me wrong, I really don't care for the Weavers, but I do understand that we are seeing such a small portion of what is happening.

I hope the Linz family or Bransen family wins this. They have worked well as a team and they seem to really enjoy the game, as well as the scenery. I thought Utah - what little we saw - was amazing!

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!! Gobble, gobble!! Don't eat too much

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Spitfire, the problem for the Weavers is they have said they are Christians trying to live a Christian life. For some, that makes their behavior, which is not always Christian-like, less acceptable than the behavior of the other teams.

I agree with your second post. Even animals become defensive when back up against a wall. Then there's the fact that due to their immaturity, kids, including teenagers, are capable of making very inappropriate remarks. Mom's behavior could be due to several factors: she is still learning how to be the head of the house, her kids are very unhappy, she is seeing them being treated rudely, she is just plain overwhelmed.

I'm sure all of the folks are cringing when they watch the show and hear something they said or saw something they did. If nothing else, maybe all the people who are on reality shows can see themselves on TV and use their experience to learn something about themselves and make improvements.

Spitfire
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07-18-2002

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spitfire a private message Print Post    
Oh I get that the yield is part of the game but I would feel totally bummed knowing it was going to be used on me as well as it being the second time. Yes it's a game, and it worked out right because the Weaver's got there last. Really though if it was being used for the purpose of trying to edge out someone, you would think they would use it on the known last place team, not someone they simply didn't like.

Although it's a game, the yield was used on emotions, not game strategy. I would no doubt be the same way. Emotions sometimes have a way of taking precedence over anything.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
The Weavers were a pre-season favorite of mine (touching story and all)....but now I just think they're not nice people. I'll give them a pass on some things, but the throwing trash was pretty much the last straw, and this ep convinced me. At least I sorta liked Freddy/Kendra and were OK with them winning...I don't want to see the Weavers win.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Great post Justfun! I agree wholeheartedly. I too really hope we get to eventually find out the whole story behind the Weaverhate. Though I personally have seen enough to deem then unlikeable. The making fun of garbagemen, throwing food (dangerous) and their better than you attitude is enough for me. Oh yeah, and their nonstop whining/complaining.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I remember that we disliked Flo for her similar whiny behavior, too. And Team Guido. And Freddy and Kendra. And...

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I actually loved Team Guido!

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
i did too, not nearly as much as cha cha though. but i think guido is the richard hatch of amazing race

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Yep! I also loved Richard.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree with most of the comments that people have made about the Weaver’s so I won’t bother repeating why I dislike what has been shown of them on the show.

With respect to the “house falling on the Mother” comment – it was a joke and it was said in a joking way! Hasn’t anyone here seen “The Wizard of Oz”?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Spitfire, when the Linzes yielded the Weavers, they (the Linzes) thought that the Weavers were right behind them. They even said then that they wanted to give themselves some more space in front of the Weavers.

In addition, during the previouslys, the Weavers had told the park ranger to tell the entire history of the place to the car behind them. When the car behind -- the Linzes -- pulled up to the ranger shack, the ranger told 'em about the Weavers talking smack about 'em. At that time, one of the Linz brothers said that that would give them a reason to yield them.

So yet again, that selective memory of the Weavers.

And for Utah not being beautiful to some people... I really would have to disagree with that. If you've never been there, you wouldn't know. Granted, it is not my cup of tea and no way could you pay me to live in Utah. But it is truly a beautiful area of the United States. The geologic formations are gorgeous and awe-inspiring. Truly, I would think Christians would be impressed at "God's country."

I am not buying the excuses being made for them either. The mother is old enough to know better than to encourage the disrespect her kids have shown for other people and for the environment (the trash throwing). Yet she sits there and smiles. Whether or not she was prepared to be the head of the family, she is old enough to know better. And since she's (supposedly) a teacher, I would even hope she's held to a higher standard.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I think it as the witch comment more than the house falling comment. Cause yeah, I did catch the Wiz of Oz reference. And I did catch that it was a joke. (Maybe in bad taste, but still said with humor and not real venom. In my opinion.)

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Unless the kid throwing the trash out the window and the mom smiling were in the same camera frame, we don't know if that's why she's smiling or if it was something done or said 100 miles down the road. And as I've said before, the mom might be reprimanding her kids off camera and they just aren't listening.

We also need to remember that while it appears that these behaviors are happening 24/7, we are only seeing a few minutes of each family in each leg of the race.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
The Linzes have no problem laughing because they are in the majority in this feud. If the tables were turned, it might be a different matter.

Someone made a comment about the Weavers eating while they were waiting for the clock to run. What else were they supposed to do? The Godlewskis were shown eating while driving down the road. I was wondering why either team stopped to get food when they each thought they were in last place.

I think the only reason they emphasized the Weavers eating was to catch the "revigorate and enjuvenate" comment because I know that I have never witched swords before.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I think the comments about them eating was a) we don't usually see racers eating and b) they stopped BEFORE they got to the yield and took the time to buy food. Which just seemed kinda weird.

And Native, *if* the mom had done something other than sit and smile, I'm sure the cameras would've been on them and we'd have seen it. Especially the trash throwing bit. Since, well, it's freakin' ILLEGAL to throw trash out the window, now, isn't it? I would think the producers would want to show that that kind of behavior is not condoned.

Note: I have noticed that teams no longer throw on the ground the tear strips from their clues. I think it's quite obvious that they've been instructed to not litter, and to respect the areas where they are.