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Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 6:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Obviously the Weaver girl couldn't grasp that the woman she was begging from was telling her to say "please." The word "please" obviously is not in her vocabulary.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
So am not gonna go there... so am not! NOT!

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
The constant need to point out deficiencies in others really points out the deficiencies in self.

I, personally, am so tired of the nitpicking that goes on here. Can't we focus on the positive and leave all the pettiness about the Weavers alone? I think it is really clear (and has been for quite some time!) on how people feel about them - one way or another - and it is not necessary to constantly point out all their wrongs. Gosh, they are human and they make mistakes. Let it go!

There, thanks for letting me vent. I am finding it more and more frustrating to read the posts about TAR. I guess I look forward to new insights and observations but feel so dragged down with the posts I'm reading. Now, I know everyone has the freedom to post (within moderator guidelines) but maybe I will just take a rest from this site.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Auntiemike, what fun would that be??? You may as well skip this post, cause here I go . . .

Spear, thanks for posting those links. I was especially appalled at the second one where the girl with the stripey hair was all offended that the man she was begging from thought she was a "street person." Then Rolly chimed in, "What street person drives a brand new car?" And then the other girl added, "She won't even go in a thrift store." It's so sad that they think they're so above those "street people." Why doesn't their mother see that and try to instill a little gratefulness and humility? As a Christian, they should be thinking, "There, but for the grace of God, go I." Just sad.

I'm with ya, Lexie. Monkeys should fly out of my butt before I'll love the Weavers.

And those Godlewskis! It's almost become comical how they shriek everything, "We've got CAMPERS!!!" Television without Pity calls them the "Godloudskis." They are pretty mean to their sister. The most I can say is that they'll all tired and that brings out the worst in people. I just hope they see their behavior on TV and aplogize to Chris.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Babyjax... thank you for your post about the thrift store. I was so inflamed when I heard those comments, I couldn't see straight I was so angry at how "above the street people" they are from shopping at a thrift store. I work with four people that lost everyyyyyyyything from Hurricane Katrina (with the exception of three days worth of clothes that they had packed). One is an attorney (married with two children), two paralegals (both with children) and a secretary. Not exactly "street people," but I can promise you - the secretary and paralegals would love to go shopping at a thrift store.

Da Noive of those Weavers. Just when I think they can't piss me off anymore than they have, they piss me off even more.


Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 4:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
auntie, i think a lot of us are hoping to find a positive change in the weavers and something we can really like about them with each new episode that airs. when things don't change, or the weavers act hateful, or "poor us", we (me, anyway) just mention it again. they are consistent, at any rate, i'll give 'em that! sometimes people learn from an experience and sometimes they don't.
i still feel very bad for their loss; i would never feel otherwise about that. i just don't care for them much...and it's all stuff they could change about themselves if they cared enough about anyone outside their family. if they let people in, they might not feel so alone or ostracized. JMH belief that often you get back what you dish out.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 5:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Tabby, couldn't that be said about all the teams? There is stuff they could change about themselves to make themselves better people? I think you find what you look for. There is good in everyone (just call me Pollyanna) :-)

I guess I'm willing to just accept the Weavers as flawed as they are, just like the rest of us. They get some things right, they get some things wrong. It's interesting to me that some faults are somehow acceptable and others aren't. They're just human. To a certain extent, like all of us, they are products of their own experiences, which means like all of us they have certain biases.

The Weaver-hate seems to be more of an issue that that was exacerbated by some teams that are the kinds of people who habitually exclude others. The Linzs are like the cool kids, the popular crowd. It's not the first time they've been nasty or exclusionary. They're too good at it. Same with the Godlewski's - heck, they even do it to their own sister!

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 6:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
It's not that we can't see the good in people, Karuuna. I don't expect anyone to be perfect. What grates me about the Weavers is that they think they are so above everyone else. They even say, "We're above all this stuff." It's the hypocracy that makes me crazy.

I don't think the Linzes, Godlewskis or Bransens are perfect, either. But none of them claim to be better than everyone else. I have an easier time accepting their imperfections because they don't seem to think they're somehow better than anyone else. The Linzes may not like the Weavers, but they don't think they're "better" than them.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 6:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
We are all entitled to our own opinions. And I think there are a few of us who really wanted to like the Weavers and wanted them to win. In the beginning. However, each week they do something that makes me wonder why they are even on the show.

I know the kids have been homeschooled (I'm not gonna touch on the fact that geography does not appear to be a subject studied). But in the environment in which I think they've been raised, they've turned into what I think are elitists. The Weaver daughter's comments about being called a street person, and her outrage, as well as Rolly's comments, simply enforce that to me. The proper response to that man's comments when they begged would have been "thank you, have a good day". However, they decided to be really nasty about him TO THE CAMERAS. I sincerely hope that man is not a fan of TAR and doesn't go looking for additional information on the Internet.

I find it very difficult to like, let alone enjoy watching, people who continue to be rude. And my opinion is the Weavers are rude people. I don't like them. And I *am* entitled to my opinion.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
And what Baby said. None of the other teams are claiming to be the only good team, or that they are better than everyone else. The Weavers do. Every episode. And yet they continue to do their best to be confrontational and to make fun of the others. Hipocracy is an ugly character trait, IMO.

Stopjustwatchin
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08-19-2005

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 7:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopjustwatchin a private message Print Post    
I don't think the Linzes, Godlewskis or Bransens are perfect, either. But none of them claim to be better than everyone else. I have an easier time accepting their imperfections because they don't seem to think they're somehow better than anyone else. The Linzes may not like the Weavers, but they don't think they're "better" than them.

I'm with you Babyjax. And, now with Costa too I guess. :-)

And, speaking of still being on the same page as Costa... I fully agree about some, if not most, of us wanted the Weavers to do well in the beginning. Just look back at the week of banter from the first episode and (without looking) if I remember right, most everyone who stated their "top three or so" had the Weavers in there. So, maybe that's the root of the Weaver-bashing on this board week in and week out.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 7:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I just realized why this year's BB area was so different than past years...we all liked and disliked the same ppl....nothing to argue about! LOL

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 9:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Starshine40 a private message Print Post    
I don't think the Linzes, Godlewskis or Bransens are perfect, either. But none of them claim to be better than everyone else. I have an easier time accepting their imperfections because they don't seem to think they're somehow better than anyone else. The Linzes may not like the Weavers, but they don't think they're "better" than them.


Of course they "think" they're better than them, that's human nature. If the Linzs, Godlewskis, etc. didn't think that they themselves were better they wouldn't make the kind of remarks that they have made!

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 12:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
huh?

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 7:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Star, you are so right. Heck, they do it to themselves. Michelle Godlewski obviously believes she is better than Chris by the way she is constantly degrading her.

As for the thrift store comment, I'll admit I've been there, done that. Partially because I couldn't get past the idea of wearing someone else's clothes, but mostly due to arrogance. Heck, there was a time when I wouldn't buy anything but name brands at the grocery store, but then came the time when I carried a calculator with me to the store so that I would not go over my very tight budget. Lexie, would your co-workers, especially the attorneys, have gone shopping in a thrift store if Katrina had not come along?

And I will also admit I've tried and I just can't do it. Travis came home the other day and had traded shoes with a friend at school. I made him take the shoes back and let his friend keep the shoes Travis had given him. I don't think my son's or my feet are better than any else's - it's an OCD thing. So, you may ask what's the difference between second-hand shoes and second-hand clothes? Clothes you can wash or dry-clean - shoes you can't.

It's easy to sit back and judge others and say what we would or wouldn't do in a given situation, but it's another thing altogether when that situation actually presents itself.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Star, I honestly don't know if the attorneys would have gone shopping at a thrift store had Katrina not come along. I could see one of the paralegals and one of the secretaries shopping at a thrift store before Katrina if only for the fact that they are both single mothers with young children on a budget. A couple of weeks ago, a relative of one of my co-workers took up a collection of clothes and brought it to the office. You should have seen them diving in the boxes for clothes. When you lose everything you own, you will have no qualms about wearing second-hand clothes.

Have the Weavers ever shopped at a consignment store? We "used to have" consignment stores in New Orleans where you could buy second-hand designer clothes that had only been worn a couple of times. You could buy an evening gown for a Mardi Gras ball that had only been worn once. I have several friends that used to shop at consignment stores Pre-Katrina because they used to be able to buy Donna Karan and the like at a fraction of the cost.

I understand about the shoes. There is no way would I buy shoes from a thrift store. All I'm saying is had Katrina hit the area of Florida where the Weavers are from and had they lost everything like so many of my friends and co-workers have, they would have no problem wearing clothes from a thrift store.


Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
We have several upscale consignment stores in Dallas whose prices I still can't afford.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I shop at thrift stores. I buy vintage purses and sweaters. Not because they are cheap (they aren't necessarily). But because they are vintage. I also buy vintage kitchenware (mixing bowls, cookie cutters).

And you know what? I'm proud of it! What's the big deal? It's not like you are buying someone else's used undies. There are certain things I won't buy. Shoes among 'em.

RE: the other teams and Starshine's comment. Um, sorry. But the OTHER teams are not walking around talking to the cameras in every episode and saying how they are the only good team. They are not walking around claiming to be above everything. So, nope, sorry, I do NOT think the Linzes or Godlewskis or Bransens think they are better than the Weavers. The Weavers, however, keep insisting they ARE better than the other teams. Ad nauseum.

As I have said before, those of us on opposite sides will never agree on this. And honestly, I can no longer find one thing to like about the Weavers. Their constant negativity, holier-than-thou attitude, and disrespecting of the other teams has clouded all perception. I don't think there is anything they can do, short of winning and donating ALL money to charity, that will change my opinion. (Including the fact that I think they are in it only for the money. Consider the number of lawsuits the Weaver mother has filed in her husband's death. Lawsuits for large amounts of money.)

Knightpatti
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12-06-2001

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Knightpatti a private message Print Post    
My daughter quit watching TAR this season fight from the beginning because of The Weavers and some of the other teams annoying behavior. She was very upset when they knocked down a display in a store and kept on going. We have a store and we deal with rude people at times,too.

As for me, I keep watching TAR. But this season as not been one that I have enjoyed. I think that production could have found alot more interesting places to go than they did. ( I enjoyed UTAH!) At first, it was difficult getting to know all the people.

In everyday life, I think it is hard for 4 people to agree and get along and be nice to each other 24/7. Put them in the racing situation and it is amazing that we have not seen worse behavior from them!

The Weavers kids are teen agers. Some teen agers only will wear name brands and never think of going into a thrift shop. Other teens love shopping in thrift shops and want to be different. Teen agers are not on their best behavior during these growing years. But what bothers me about the Weavers is the mother. She is right on their level. Yes, they do seem that they are superior to everyone else. Maybe it is a defense of theirs since they are not liked by the other teams.

Anyway, I will be watching to end. But I do look forward to a new season and back to the original race.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Even though I'm obviously not a fan of the Weavers, I do feel that they perhaps went into this race with the right intentions. I think it was a chance for them to get out of their grieving and do something fun together. I just don't think it worked out the way they thought it might.

Also I can't fault the mom for suing the pants off those Nascar folks. She's raising three kids without a dad. If she gets some money to make up for all the lost wages, etc, and it helps put those kids through college (can you homeschool college?), then more power to her. It's not like Nascar can't spare the change.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 5:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
We're doing exactly what CBS and the producers want us to do- feel something strongly for at least one team. I don't think the producers much care whether it's "love" or "hate". They love it when there's both (ie BB6). The worst case scenario for a reality show is having a boring person/team win. Think Survivor Vecepia! I'll throw this out as a thesis: Whether the producers thought the Weavers would be the beloved team or knew they would be disliked, it's the Weavers who have essentially made the show as interesting as it is. Thoughts?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Good point Iheart!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Babyjax, that's what life insurance is for. And since it appears Nascar wasn't at fault...

Chieko
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11-20-2003

Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 10:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chieko a private message Print Post    
that's what life insurance is for

and SSI payments

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Monday, December 05, 2005 - 7:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Did I miss something? Has this case already gone to trial? Other than OSHA's findings that the Speedway was at fault, I wasn't aware that a final determination had been made yet as to who was at fault.

Upon reading the articles I've seen, my first question was why was a driver doing 100 mph during a caution?

I've worked for attorneys for the last 25 years and one thing I've learned is that most big corporations will do or say whatever it takes to win a lawsuit.

There is also the possibility that the life insurance has not paid if there is a question about the death.