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Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Because the questions regarding the circumstances of the husband/father's death have not been answered, the Weavers have not had closure yet. They are obviously getting on with their lives but I don't think it's fair to say they should be over it by now. But that's a discussion that's already been had.

Being a Christian does not make one perfect. It takes a lot of work and sometimes we fall down. I also have a problem with anyone who claims otherwise and believes him/herself to be above all others, Christian or not.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
there is no closure to death - you change and move on but there is never closure.

my uncle was killed 24 years ago this month and not a day goes by when i dont think of him, and depending on the day, those thoughts have different emotion behind them.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
A year is not enough time imo.

Tigerfan
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11-06-2003

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tigerfan a private message Print Post    
Legal, I couldn't agree more!!! My mother died on her 55th Birthday, in '97, and not a day goes by that I don't think of her, I miss her terribly! Like you said, depending on the day, there is different emotions. Very well said.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Legal, when I say they've not had closure, I meant it's harder for them to move forward in the grieving process. It's a word you hear quite often during murder trials. An example is my friend whose 19-year-old son was murdered a couple of weeks ago who said he would not be able to move on until the murderers were convicted.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Dealing with the death of a loved one is different for every person, and involves so many variables there really is no one set criteria for how long one must mourn, or how much one should or should not change. Its such a personal matter that what is "right" depends on the person who suffered the loss.

Some may need less than a year to reconcile the loss, others may never come to reconciliation. Some may not change emotionally, others will to varying degrees, and still others will undergo total desolation.

Since I don't know what the Weavers were like prior to their loss, I can't say for certain their behavior is linked directly to the loss of their father.

The teenagers just seem like angst driven drama queens to me...but they could have been that way before...so who really knows?

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Kep, I think the mere word "teenager" says it all.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I agree NT...

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
I agree that everyone grieves differently and in various ways.

The loss of Mr. Weaver does not play a part in my opinion of how the Weavers are behaving on the show.

They are probably doing the best that they can under difficult circumstances. I have not seen them do anything to cause the others to dislike them so much.

We have watched others that showed abusive behaviors. I am not going to root for the Paolos because of the entire family's behavior.

The Weavers can pray all they want and that too will not cause me to like or dislike them.

I just want someone to win that does the very best that they can do....

Of course, I think the Gaghans should have won!

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
The Early Show has finally posted the interview with the Gaghans this morning. Sorry, nothing was said about the Weavers except for how the daughter seemed to "magically" pull the red bean out of the pile. Hmmmmmm!

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Well, I was happy to see the Gaghans go. They were a lovely team, right down to the cherubic cheeks. See ya later!

The Weavers....hmmmmm. How do I dislike them? Let me count the ways. The mother needs geography lessons. The daughters are petulant. The son is adorable, but is surrounded by very bad influences, as far as I can tell [at least he reached out to someone else on another team earlier this season]. They are disliked by the others on the show because of their tactics and their attitude. They are the only reason I don't SCREAM at my TV because of those adenoidal sisters from Wisconsin or where ever they are from...I just don't have any residual antipathy to spread around.

Skootz
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07-23-2003

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skootz a private message Print Post    
The one thing we all have to remember that this is a show and we are only going to see what the producers want us to see. How do we know that some of the other teams are praying for help.

The producers have shown us that the Paolos are all loud and that they fight. The Weavers pray all the time and often talk of their deceased father. The sisters bicker and fight etc. We have to remember we are only seeing bits and pieces of each family in each hour show in a time frame of over 24 hours. The Producers are making this the way it is to produce good ratings and get people talking..I think its working :-) JMHO

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
ARGH! I fell asleep the last 17 or so minutes of the episode last night! I'm going to read back through this thread to see what happpened. Darn jet lag!!!!!!!!!!!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I'm also thinking that the reason the Weavers were chosen for this show was entirely due to their backstory. Teenagers or no, I just don't think they are that likable. And "mommy" doesn't help much with all her whining ("I'm tired of trying to do things I can't"). Um, if it was easy, do you really think this show would be as popular as it is? Heck, even the Gaghans (the parents of whom had to do most of the work) didn't whine like that!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
A tragedy is a tragedy - its all relative what is a tragedy whether it be recent or not. However, I'm not on a game show whining about my tragedy and praying to God to help me win a game.

Clutterfree
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10-24-2003

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Clutterfree a private message Print Post    
Today November 2nd would have been my Mom's 91st birthday, and I am still not past the pain of losing her 10+ years ago. My phrase is that it seems like yesterday and it seems like an eternity since she passed. Grief, as so many have said above, has no timetable, and I remember clearly at a year how absolutely fresh and raw it was. Because of their loss, I swear I have been trying so hard to like the Weavers, but then I just can't....

Before I erase my tape, I just wanted to go back to the Weavers first words on show tonight. This is what I copied:
"We've been raised since we were born not to trust other people but to trust your family and to trust God." (That does seem so sad and such a reason for their lack of connecting with other contestants.) Then they briefly mention some of the negative things said about them, followed by the one daughter's comment: "We're all Christians and we're above them." I agree that it could have been meant as "we're above them" in that WE don't make negative comments, but that certainly didn't play out in reality when they were joking about the Paolo family, for example, being photographed with a garbage truck. In that aspect, they seemed to be presenting themselves as "above" at least that family in OTHER regards, not respecting as the Paolo son does, the strength both physical and of character, to do this difficult job every day.

Legalboxer
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11-17-2003

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Legalboxer a private message Print Post    
thanks clutter - you reietrated what i was saying too - thanks for the quotes

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
"We've been raised since we were born not to trust other people but to trust your family and to trust God."

I would think that the treatment they and the husband/father have received since his death by his employer has only reenforced that belief.

I can't imagine what it would be like as an adult, let alone a teenager, to lose a parent and witness every day the way the Paolo kids treat their parents. I'm not defending the remarks made, but they could have been spoken out of envy. Except for the Godlewski and Linz families, haven't all the other teams had fathers in them? That has to cause pain.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Again, they said they were ready to move on. They agreed to be on the show. They knew what the premise was (families). If they could not handle it, they should've stepped down. However, they have put themselves in this position. They claim to be "above it" yet snark at the first chance they get. They whine. And they can choose to walk away. (I wish they would, as I'm tired of the whining.)

But THEY were the ones who decided to go on this show. No one forced them.

I'm sure there are plenty of other families who would've jumped at the chance. And I doubt those families would've started a pity party.

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
Costacat- I agree with you.
They wanted to be on this show.

Earlier in the season other teams have said at pit stops that all the Weavers do is complain and whine about not wanting to be there. I think that is partly the reason the other teams don't like them. Why be there then if you don't want to be?

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
This isn't exactly the first time we've seen competitors in any reality gameshow want to go home or get discouraged. How often did we hear it this past season on BB?

I haven't seen the Weavers have a pity party. They had an understandably (at least for me anyway) very frightening moment when the mom almost got run over by the cart. They also had an understandably hard time at Daytona where they had to get on the very racetrack where the husband/father was killed. I would have been more concerned if neither instance had bothered them.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I still think there is more than what we are seeing on the show. We don't see the pity parties, but why would the other families lie? Why would they single the Weavers out?

I would normally discount one or two families negative comments about the Weavers as personality conflicts, but the overall consensus from all the remaining families seems to be uniform when it comes to the Weavers... why could that be? Mass conspiracy to "hate" the Weavers because they whine/are negative? I don't think so...

There is something to all the "Weaver Hate"... we just aren't privy to it. I personally don't think it has anything to do with their religious beliefs or the fact that they pray so much. I think it has to do with the Weavers' personal interaction with the other families, and I believe the experience has been somewhat less than pleasant for the other families.

Landi
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07-29-2002

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
actually, Roy Weaver was killed at the Daytona, FL race track, not the Talladega, AL racetrack.

the big reason for the dislike, as all of the competing teams have said, the Weaver's have been rude. basically the Weaver's have stuck to themselves and have not spoken with any of the other teams. and i quote "We've been raised since we were born not to trust other people but to trust your family and to trust God."
only the son Rollie has had any interaction with the other teams. Linda Weaver ignored the questions from other teams at the airport, and have basically shown with the bus ride that they were not speaking to the other teams, instead acting strangely at the buses rest stop.

if you watch the videos on the CBS website, you can see many videos of the other teams interacting with one another, but none of the weaver's doing this. you can especially see this with the Paolo's, the Linz's, the Godlewski's, and the Bransen's.


Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Kep, I agree. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire and I'm feeling we may really be surprised at what we're not seeing.

The basis for some of my posts today are because we have been making comments based on speculation and I was trying to play devil's advocate. I could be completely wrong and the Weavers are just not nice people, regardless of their circumstances.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Landi, thanks for the correction about the track. For some reason in my mind the two became intertwined, maybe because of their strong reaction at Talledega.