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Mistysmoke
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08-10-2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mistysmoke a private message Print Post    
I thought it was funny when the Paola dad said something like Its just dust about Arizona... thats exactly what I thought when we moved here, but, luckily I see the beauty now :-)

Thier arguing drove me nuts, but, I think thats partly because when DHs family is around its loud like that. They arent screaming that they hate each other, but its like they argue just to argue, ya know? I didnt like the disrespect towards the mother, and DH even said it upset him. As much as Dhs grandmother irritates me, I wouldnt disrespect her...

I started watching this show after some families left, but, I was rooting for the family with the young kids. I cant warm up to any of the families left right now.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
In many instances, constantly (which I think the Weavers may only do on camera) talking about being a Christian can also be considered witnessing.

If anyone spent as much time with me as these players have with each and did not have a clue as to my beliefs, I would be deeply disappointed in myself.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
"The Weavers gave the Godlewskis money but then, if you watch the insider videos on CBS, you can see they wanted help and a map later."

I don't understand this statement. Was there something wrong with the Weavers asking for help? And did they get that help?


Just my take on this, but I think the Weaver's weren't just asking for help, they felt entitled to it (in a demanding way) from the DH's because of the money given. Like was said before, ALL the teams gave money to the DH's... only the Weaver's felt they were entitled to return favors for helping them out.

Just what I thought was going on...

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
The only things that have truly bothered me about this TAR is the Paolo sons' treatment of their mom, the Paolo dad's refusal to step in and the Bransen girls calling their dad Wally.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
Team Guido would eat all of them for lunch.



Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Kep. Apparently, I missed that exchange.

I also missed the first half of the second episode last night. I really would have liked to see the flying. I got to fly in a fighter jet a couple of years ago and it's an experience I will never forget.

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Hey it is not easy to be a Christian!! Especially if there is this feeling that you should be so much holier than thou. I wonder if those kids might feel if they had been really good and "Christian" their Dad might not have been killed. So now if they keep reminding themselves and the world that they are good Christians they will win the race.

I see a family just trying their best in the midst of a lot of hostility. Go Weavers!

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Go, Supergranny!

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
I see a family just trying their best in the midst of a lot of hostility. Go Weavers!

DITTO

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
cluterfree posted:
{I also really hate that they included TWO race track scenarios for the family that lost their father at a race track...really now! The first one was kind of okay because it turned out to be those funny bicycles, but this one was TOTALLY unnecessary.}

phil said in an old interview that all routes, pit stops, challenges, non-elimination episodes, etc., are set by production way ahead of people even applying to go on to TAR. it was just coincidence that the weavers ended up on a race that included two race-track things.

i did not like the weavers again. and i tried. the one girl crying to phil really bothered me. treat others as you expect others to treat you. be nice and outgoing and others might respond the same way. the throwing stuff out the car window bugged me. the short-shorts bugged me.
loved the mom and pop paolos in their grampy and granny panties over their clothes! i also liked how they told the bransens to put more clothes on before stepping on the mat. smart because it also added time to how far the bransens would leave behind them the next morning, too! i think it took 8 minutes for them to dress-up.
the paolo brother asking if he was in hell cracked me up, but i did not think saying to his mother, "this is a large lake and i could drown you and no one would ever find your body" (paraphrased) was pretty sad. i did end up liking the paolos more than i did early on, but i still have trouble with the major love-hate stuff and the dad just staying out of it.
did it look to anyone else as if the bransen dad just didn't have his motor all the way down in the water when the girls kept asking why their boat went so slow? smart to go to the casino, where there had to be money somewhere, but i think they only got money because of the camera crew. i mean, who gives away money at a casino? even the machines don't give away money, except for the ATM's LOL
i also think people are more willing to help over-all because of the camera crew. leading people all the way somewhere or getting into their cars with them (on other TAR's) would be risky in any country.
wow, who here could have done the plane ride? i would have been puking my guts out! the barf on my face shield would have prevented me from seeing what the hell i was doing in the roll maneuver, too. i get sick on a straight road in a car unless i am the driver! looking at a map for 5 seconds or having to turn around to hand something to one of the kids....ugh, 30 seconds before my head straightened out.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Tabby, I also suffer from severe motion sickness so when I found out I was going up in a jet I took Dramamine which helped considerably. However, I did blackout when the pilot did a roll while climbing 10,000 feet.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
I would have been throwing up on the plane for sure! When the plane soared (seemingly) straight up and then started falling back, I thought I was going to lose it right in my living room! I didn't even need to be on the plane!

I also love seeing Arizona. I prefer New Mexico's beauty to Arizona's, but parts of AZ are just spectacular. Going to the Grand Canyon was more spectacular than I could have ever imagined. You feel like photos do it justice, but they don't. Just like those amazing mesas rising out of nowhere.

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
The Weavers lost me in the very first episode, when they ran into the sporting goods shop, charged around the place like bulls in a china shop, knocked over a display, laughed about it, and then ran off without so much as an "I'm sorry." I pegged them as spoiled brats and totally obnoxious, and they have done nothing to change my opinion of them since...and it had nothing to do with their religion.

Tigerfan
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11-06-2003

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tigerfan a private message Print Post    
I felt the same way about the planes Tish!! I got queezy just watching!

The Grand Canyon is amazing! It's so huge that when you stand and look at it, it's almost like looking at a photo/painting, it's hard to grasp the depth of it!

New Mexico looks unbelievable at sunrise or sunset, beautiful rock formations, but it sure seemed like a long drive through it.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
Did anyone catch Mama Paolo's "Arizona?" when she wanted to go to New Zealand? Funny. I'm surprised she hasn't realized that they are sticking pretty close to the good ole US of A.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
For anyone still wondering why I dislike the Weavers, that little exchange at the race track should help you understand. The Godlewskis were nothing but compassionate and kind to the kids, and the (bratty) kid lost no time snarking about them. Not even a "that was nice of her to talk to us".

I also didn't think the confrontation of the Paolos at the airport was very classy. As they (the Weavers) themselves have said... it's a game.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
i laughed when one of the weaver daughters said, 'what state are we in again?' and had to be reminded it was arizona. they need a history lesson big time!

as far as the 'history lesson' comments from the weavers, it was the ranger at the booth who told the linz family that the weavers had said things about them. i can't remember the exact words, but something along the lines of really dissing them.
the weavers were rude enough that the ranger said something about it. not just laughing and saying 'they wanted me to stall you'. seems to me he made another comment about the weaver's behavior.

and as for throwing something out the window. one of my son's best friends was killed last year when someone in his vehicle threw something at another car and the other car clipped their truck and my son's friend was ejected. he wasn't the driver or the thrower and he's dead. the entire oregon football team and coaches came down for the funeral. the kid had a scholarship to play football for the ducks. so, to me, it wasn't just rude or littering (even if it was an apple core), you just don't throw things out of car windows. period.

Stopjustwatchin
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08-19-2005

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stopjustwatchin a private message Print Post    
Attempting to move on from the Weaver conversation, I have to mention a part that no one has mentioned at all yet - and how truly funny it was.

I did some serious laughing when the Linz family got pulled over because they stopped to ask for directions and then they ended up asking the cop by saying "We are racing in our cars..." I think had it not been for the cameraman in the front seat, they would not have gotten direction and out of there as fast as they did. The best part is they realized as they were pulling away exactly what they said and how dumb it really was.

Marysafan
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08-07-2000

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marysafan a private message Print Post    
I think the term "trash talking" was used....which would have been interesting to hear. It appears that the "Friendship" weren't the only ones benefitting from kind editing.

When I was young, I was taught that if somebody doesn't like you...it might be their choice...but if everyone doesn't like you...then it probably has something to do with your behavior.

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Calamity a private message Print Post    
Although I shared Mama Paolo's disappointment at returning to America so soon, getting to glimpse even that little bit of the Grand Canyon was probably worth it! Gorgeous southwestern scenery this episode. It's a pity the show didn't highlight more of the eastern US's natural beauty & unique sites while they were over there. I've thought of so many places I wished they had visited.

I'd have been terrified doing that plane Roadblock but it was so thrilling to watch! Now that's what I mean by "Amazing"! Actually it might have been a relief for me to do the loop because I could at least pretend I was sort of in control. I don't like being a hapless passenger, lol. Oh and this part reminded of when my grandma was young and once rode in a biplane that performed aerial stunts. She'd probably have loved this task!

I wanted to like the Linz family because they're from Ohio but after the first epi I wasn't all that impressed. But they've since become my favorite team. If they can focus without losing their easygoing attitude, I'd be very happy to see them win.

Is all the Godlewskis' sniping, shrieking, and sobbing just a sisterly thing? I mean, is it maybe not as serious as it looks to me? I just get bewildered watching them because I only have an older brother and we've never behaved that way, lol. I'm torn between admiring this team and being annoyed by them.

The last straw for me with the Weavers was when they threw stuff out the window at another team's car, laughing hysterically as they did it. Anyone would resent feeling "ganged up on" but I'm fed up with their ignorance, whining, and brazen attempts to manipulate others into feeling sorry for them. As for the religious issue, I was brought up a Catholic (although I'm lapsed, lol) and was taught that religion ought to make one humble and concerned for others. I see no humility or caring in the Weavers' self-serving prayers and smug declarations of being better than others because they're "Christian". But I've noted that is not an uncommon attitude among some. The son doesn't bother me, but I've had it with the girls and even the mom gets to me a bit. I still hate the Yield though and didn't like it when it was used against them last week.

I switched off when the Bransens (it was them, wasn't it?) had to beg for money. I wish the show would use a time penalty. If they do stick with taking all the cash, I wish the teams would have to sell or barter items instead.

P.S. Yea Phil (and Earl and the otters)! I watched My Name is Earl and The Secret Life of Otters at the same time as TAR last night, lol!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Darn, I forgot to watch Earl!

I really don't have a problem with people declaring themselves Christians, so my problem with the Weavers is not their Christianity - it is their actions don't back up their claims. But it is all probably editing (at least that's what they will claim).

Hey, it's just a reality show people!

Spitfire
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07-18-2002

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spitfire a private message Print Post    
Discussion is good as everyone has different view points and we all perceive things in a different way. For example many of you called out the Weaver child for not accepting the DH's compassion. I put myself in that child's shoes and I would have said the same thing given the circumstances. Why in the world would I think the compassion is genuine when they seem to not like them any other time. One the other hand I do truly believe that the pink lady was being genuine but it was hard for that child to see beyond the other stuff. (OK I hat saying "that child" but I don't know what her name is...Rachel or Becky I think)

Question: Would this discussion even be on the table if they had not proclamied themselves Christian? Because really....in general their behavior does not differ much from all other remaining teams IMO. We just seem to be so focused on the Weavers and what they do that the other teams are not noticed.

And since when did being a Christian mean that your are supposedly perfect and anything less is unacceptable?

(This is so not me...it must be hormones, ignore me and my soap box)

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Spitfire, there are some of us here that totally agree with you.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
Count me in Spitfire and Native_texan.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Lots of us who dislike the Weavers have never said it was because of their religion. And, really, I have a difficult time swallowing the idea that people dislike them simply because of their purported faith. This nation was ~85% Christian last time I looked, so the Saint Sebastian thing isn't really that believable to me. I think those who are speaking out against them vis-a-vis their faith, however, are doing so because they find them poor examples of their faith. Of course I could be wrong and the board might be filled with Christian-bashing heathens.