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Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 5:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I haven't been able to watch my tape of the show yet...and I've only been skirting around on the TAR board so as to not be too spoiled (I don't mind knowing who lost), but it looks like the family theme is off to a great start!!

COOL!!

Ark
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07-10-2001

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 6:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ark a private message Print Post    
Whoami, the only reason I want the little kids gone fairly early is because the race can be brutal, exhausting and dangerous. I don't want to watch small children exposed to those conditions.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
That makes sense Ark. I also wouldn't want the kids to think they were responsible for getting eliminated either, which is what I fear the young boys in the Black family might have been feeling.

One thing I noticed about the rowing challenge (with the Black Family). Now, someone correct me if I'm assuming wrong, but it seems like they put the weakest (smallest boy) rower on the side of the boat that would have needed the strongest person to battle against the current. I have never rowed in my life, but for some reason my logical mind says if the current is going right to left, you'd want to put your stronger rowers on the left side of the boat to push back against the current. Or maybe I know absolutely nothing about rowing? I also noticed that the youngest boy did seem to be more concerned about where the boat with the camera men were, rather than rowing, at least at first he seemed to be. LOL.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
Just thought i'd pop in and give my two cents worth.

I am sad that the teams are so uneven. Either all adults should have been casted or all young children. For only two families to be burdened with young young kids is hard to watch. I found the Black Family to be very laid back and supportive of their kids. I would suggest that they knew they didnt have a chance at this race as soon as they saw the other teams.

The one other family with two young kids will go midway, in my opinion. The parents are aggressive go-getters who rally their kids on. An example is that young girl made to run 8 kilometer marathons. Kids dont even have to do that in school so it is obvious the strongwilled parents are encouraging it actively. The boy seems very aggressive as well, yelling out ITS MINE and yanking envelopes out of people's hands. The battling with younger sister is ignored by parents.

Anyways, I was not too impressed with this first episode.

I saw in an earlier post on this page that people think that they can spoil the show here. Am I mistaken in remembering that IF it is already ON TV it is NOT spoiling???

Wish people would call the 'Transcription' of the East Coast showing something else. To call it SPOILER means that people feel they can ruin the show for others (with rumors/ facts from the spoiler thread)

((I am avoiding the Survivor area completely this year because of that same problem))

AR? I dont care about this season, it looks weak so I might just go read the Spoiler thread and see who WON! Bah ha ha!!


Kappy
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06-29-2002

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
I was surprised that I liked the family groupings as much as I did as I was really worried about watching young kids cry and be tired, etc. However, the one thing I didn't enjoy was the lack of seeing the surroundings they were in. Almost everything was about more facial reactions in the car or maybe they're just trying to introduce the families and hopefully we'll more of the locations as they proceed.

Tabbyking
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the parents said the kids ran 5k marathons. they did not say they 'made' them do it. i still don't see the gaghan parents as pushy, at least not at this point. i also didn't see anything other than normal sibling stuff with that family. maybe i'm watching a different show here on the west coast?

Julieboo
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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Tabby, I saw the show you saw. None of the parents were pushy with their kids. The only obnoxious kids were the Paolo boys.

I also think it is a good thing that kids learn about disappointment. So if they lose, they lose. They learn to deal.


Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 5:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
I agree with you, Tabby. The Gaghan family seems pretty typical, except for the physical fitness stuff. The little girl calling her brother a "dork" cracked me up. And the little boy singing "She'll Be Comin' Round the Mountain" while they were passing the other team! I was cracking up, even though I know the other team probably found it incredibly annoying. Reminds me of my little brother and me on family vacations singing stupid songs in the back seat for miles and miles. I don't know how my parents kept from throwing us out of the car!!!

Oh, and Tabby, that little girl already slumped over dead asleep in the back seat pretty early on. Her folks said something like, "Is she out already? Oh, well, let her rest. We'll need her later."

I didn't think I'd like the kids on the show, but I think they've probably geared it to families this time (the kids were able to ride in the buggy rather than having to push), so I don't think we'll see any cruelty to children.

I LOVED the Black family and felt bad for those little boys when they were eliminated. They were soooo disappointed. They'll be okay, though. They've got great parents. I loved when the dad picked the little guy up out of the puddle, swatted him gently on the butt and said, "These things happen. You did a good job!" What an adventure they had, even though it was short! (And I had to laugh that their name was actually "Black." How many times have we discussed here whether it was "racist" to refer to the "black couple" or the "black dad and daughter," but this time it was actually their name. Kind of funny!)

Finally, those Paolos are vile! It's obvious where they acquired their lack of respect. The whole family talks to each other that way. They learned it from their parents. Horrible! I hope they go soon.

P.S. I miss Rob and Ambuh!!

Tabbyking
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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
baby, i saw where she slumped over but i was waiting for the scene i saw on the commercials where she fell over 'klunk' onto the dad. did they show this scene or just where she was already slumped over? i thought it would be the first episode because it was the blue t-shirt she had on. i laughed so hard when i saw the commercial; i also figured they had some tough challenges for her to be so wiped. darn, i probably missed it while running into the kitchen for a snack!


Babyjaxmom
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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 7:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
I think that was it, Tabby. She fell over "klunk" on her dad. I just figured they had to get up early, plus you know how some kids just fall asleep as soon as they get in the car? (Not mine. He sits in the back seat and goes, "Are we there yet?" Where do they learn this???)

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

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Oh, yeah, and I forgot to say, those Godlewski girls are LOUD!!! Way too much squeeling and giggling going on there. Do we have to put up with that all season? (Actually, I'd rather listen to them giggling and squeeling than those bickering Paolos. I'm just saying . . .)

Roxip
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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
My little girl (now 8) is car-trained to go to sleep immediately upon takeoff on a road trip. If she's not asleep we pull out the DVD player so that I can enjoy the trip in peace!

Don't we assume that it was probably early in the morning when the teams took off, and that they probably were already exhausted from excitement? I wouldn't think I would sleep at all the night before the start of TAR!

Padivius
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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Padivius a private message Print Post    
I agree with Tabbyking -- the Gaghans were a very composed, supportive family. They weren't pushing their kids at all and they all seemed to be having a good time. The Children seem very respectful of their parents and of each other.
I`m not sure what show you were watching, Sunshyne, but I didn't see any «battling with younger sister» or any «IT'S MINE!» from Billy.
Billy: «I just wish I could contribute more for this Detour.» (paraphrase)
Carissa: «Get used to it, dork!»

Find me a brother sister pair who don't occasionally call each other names (And as far as names go, dork is pretty tame).

Also:
Billy: «Can I get the envelope this time?» ... or something of the like. I saw nothing more agressive than that out of him.

I'm rooting for the Gaghans, they are my favourite so far.

Karen
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09-07-2004

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Babyjax, your comment about not knowing how your parents didn't throw you from the car made me laugh. I remember when I was, oh, nine or ten, my Grandparents were driving my sister (then about five or six) and I back to the Okanagan from Vancouver (about a six hour drive). They'd already spent two weeks with us, and I'm sure were more than ready to pass us over to our parents. When Kim and I started singing, giggling, doing what kids do on long car-rides in the back seat, my Grandpa came up with the brilliant idea to bribe each of us -- five bucks a piece if we made it the rest of the drive (about four hours) in silence.

Worst part is -- somehow we thought five bucks was worth it. My Grandparents must have been in heaven.

Babyjaxmom
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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Karen, that's pretty funny! You made me laugh, too!

Sunshyne4u
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Friday, September 30, 2005 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    


If u are going to quote me or debate my words, maybe it would be best to actually NOTICE what my words were LOL don't see the gaghan parents as pushy

Pushy is a negative term which I did not use. Neither did I say obnoxious kids . You guys did. I said The parents are aggressive go-getters who rally their kids on. strongwilled parents are encouraging it Nothing negative about MY comments

However, i find it strange that if you guys rewatched the episode in order to do those direct quotes you missed stuff like the boy wrestling the envelope out of someone's hands. He was very over-excited a few times.
yes the battling with a sibling is normal. I never said it wasnt. geesh!

However, my point was that the parents did not respond to it, in any way. The young girl was very tired and I was glad to see her having a good sleep in the vehicle. This game is hard on adults...it will be near impossible for the young kids to keep up to all of the adults if this fast pace continues.

Like I said earlier, I can see this family lasting til midway because of the parents.





Babyjaxmom
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Well, this was only the first episode. Often team personalities become clearer as time goes on and we see them in different situations. I think we all agree that the Paolos need to go. The jury's still out on the Gaghans. Time will tell!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, September 30, 2005 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Sunshyne, I took this "clip" from your post as very negative about the parents:

An example is that young girl made to run 8 kilometer marathons. Kids dont even have to do that in school so it is obvious the strongwilled parents are encouraging it actively. The boy seems very aggressive as well, yelling out ITS MINE and yanking envelopes out of people's hands. The battling with younger sister is ignored by parents.

Plus you are assuming a lot there--unless you do happen to have inside information.

Tabbyking
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i didn't tape it so couldn't rewatch it to make my post. i just read the post (as what i perceived to be negative) about the family and wrote something supportive of the family. i just corrected the '8 kilometers' to '5' because that's what i heard the parents say. i also didn't hear the parents say they 'made' the kids run, they stated both kids 'run 5 k marathons'. i just wanted to clear up what i heard vs. what i read of the post.
i didn't see any behavior from the kids that i thought the parents should intervene in.
this was the first episode and things can certainly change, but at this point, i find the family very close-knit and working well together.


Jimmer
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We finally got around to watching it (note the lack of enthusiasm) and I was pleasantly astonished at how entertaining it was and how much fun it was to watch.

I didn’t find the kids annoying at all. And the families with kids seemed reasonably supportive. Of course, the Paolos are not showing up as very nice, but you’ve got to have someone to root against!

Padivius
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08-21-2003

Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Padivius a private message Print Post    
Hey, Sunshyne, relax, I wasn't trying to attack you, I was just adding my input! No hard feelings.

The general theme and tone of your paragraph about the Gaghans was negative, and I took it as such. You're right, you didn't use "obnoxious" or "pushy", but "aggressive" is not normally associated with positive thoughts. You also seemed incredulous that children run 8 km marathons, and that her parents were encouraging it. (like they were making her do it against her will?)

My comments were based on those observations on your part, and yeah, I read between the lines a bit. I'm terribly sorry if I inferred something incorrect; that was not my intention.



-Padi

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, September 30, 2005 - 11:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Something to keep in mind about the parents not intervening while the kid are getting pushy with each other, sometimes as parents we have to pick our battles. If I intervened everytime the kids started fussing at each other, I wouldn't have time for anything else, lol. They argue over what to watch on tv, what game to play, who's going outside with who, and on and on. Most of it is stuff they can and should work out for themselves. We set boundaries, a certain level of respect, certain things they are not allowed to call each other or say to each other (shut up and stupid,) allow no physical violence, expect them to respect each others privacy and ours (if a door is closed you knock and ask permission to enter and if one of them says no I want to play by myself for a while, they better go find something else to do til the other one is ready to play together.) But they need to work out for themselves how to deal with the little tiffs that pop up in families, who gets to watch their show first or gets to play on the computer first. They also need to learn how to resolve their own fights and come to a solution so those fights don't pop back up.

This isn't meant as critism about your post, Sunshyne or anything like that, just might be an explanation of why the parents didn't jump in to stop the little girl from calling her brother a dork or stopping the boy from the "it's mine's." Theres so many battles in parenting and you have to pick the ones important to you while at the same time trying to teach your kids a lesson and helping them to learn how to resolve their conflicts.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 4:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
Exactly War!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 11:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
you are assuming a lot there I am not assuming anything Julieboo.

In the beginning of the show the parents said that they take the kids and run Marathons as a Family. That doesnt sound like a choice to me! Do you truly believe that the girl could get left behind on her own OR if she decided at 2 miles she didnt want to continue??

To me the little girl's body language was a little tenative as well when her parent seemed to defensively say (in response to an offcamera question) "She can run a 7 min mile!" That, of course, was how I saw that interview. Not to say someone couldnt watch the same blurb and notice something different.

I agree Wargod. However, I think most parents would not want their kids shown on tv bickering. BUT this was just the first day...first episode. We shall see in the future.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, October 03, 2005 - 1:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Kids bicker, lol, on tv and off, they really don't care where they are. You just have to step back and ask yourself how important it is to intervene. Are you going to have to chose sides? Cause a bigger fuss? What are you teaching them by stepping into their conflicts and settling it for them?

One of my rules with the kids is no tatteling, unless someones in serious danger of hurting themselves or someone else. I'm not going to pick sides, I want them to learn to resolve their own conflicts. Anytime either one of them comes to me to tell on the other I have three questions: Is your sibling bleeding? Any bones poking out? Dying? No, then I don't want to hear it. I don't care if we're at home or out in public, figure it out for yourself. Now if they're physically fighting or someones going to get hurt or hurt someone else, then it's time to step in and stop it. Pick your battles. Who gets to sit where on the couch or go get the mail isn't ones I want to be fighting, and given the chance they will work it out for themselves.

Now, I'm thinking for these kids (all of them, not just the two little ones) TAR is cause for huge excitement. They aren't thinking how hard they're going to have to work, how far they're going to have to go, or past what they just did. Each one of those kids is mentally spending that million bucks and thats a mighty exciting thing to do! Excitement and stress get the best of adults, we've seen couples on TAR before get snappy with each other, even the ones who don't do that that often. For the kids to do it isn't that surprising.



Kep421
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*smiles across the clubhouse at Jimmer and resists urge to say "told ya so"....

I love the Gaghans...those kids are a pleasure to watch!!! SO FRICKEN NORMAL... its about time I got to see real normal kids and not the precocious, starry-eyed wannabes that show up more and more on my TV screen.

And as a parent, I learned the hard way that you do NOT interfere with disputes amongst your kids unless there is loss of blood and/or appendages involved. There are so many other opportunities to teach your kids life lessons that won't result in being seen as playing favorites....

Base on my own mistakes...er...I mean "experiences", I now believe that siblings should be allowed to resolve conflicts with each other on their own whenever possible with parents playing a supportive role, offering advice and guideance where needed. JMHO

Costacat
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Monday, October 03, 2005 - 5:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Speaking of kids...

Uh, kids? This isn't Big Brother. Can't we all get along?????

Kep421
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08-11-2001

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who isn't getting along?

Jimmer
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Monday, October 03, 2005 - 7:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL – With respect to "told ya so", I think you got me on that one Kep! What a pleasant surprise.

So far it has been a really fun show without the nightmare that I visualized. The younger kids have been great and their parents have been supportive. The bickering (what little there is) is perfectly normal – in fact, I’m surprised there is so little. Remember that you have twice as many people travelling in the same enclosed space, with twice the likelihood of getting on each other's nerves.

The only downside is that they may not be doing a lot of world travelling. Note Phil is not saying the tagline "A race around the world!". On a positive note, it will hopefully give us more of an opportunity to see different parts of the U.S. and Canada. Also, I certainly wouldn’t describe the race as easy despite the fact that they have stayed within the U.S. so far. The challenges have been good as well with some helping teams with kids (lighter in the buggy) and some being more difficult (tougher to paddle).

So far the show has lived up to its previous high reputation.

Babyjaxmom
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After reading the TWOP recap of the first episode, I came to a better appreciation of the Gaghan kids (the recapper loves them). Anybody notice how nearly every family that came into the campground after the Gaghans had little Carissa pounding tent stakes for them? That kid found a job she enjoyed and was going at it! And when she was helping the Black family, Mrs. Black said, "If I had a daughter, she'd be like you." How adorable was that?

When Carissa called her brother a "dork," it was in response to him apologizing to his parents about not being able to help more with the buggy challenge. He said something about he wished he'd been more help, and his sister said, "Get used to it, dork." Just a little good-natured ribbing, in my book. Contrast/compare the behavior of the Gaghan children to that of the Paolos. Whose parents would you rather be?

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Monday, October 03, 2005 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I agree! When we first heard about the family edition I was really not happy about it. I might have been ok if the kids were all teens but the idea of young kids really bugged me. I figured we'd get cheated out of seeing all the cool places, have whiney kids constantly, and pushy parents. That might change later in the race but haven't seen too much of it yet. After seeing the first show though, I completely changed my mind. I don't mind even that it won't be as far around the world as the last races or that maybe the challenges won't be as difficult. They seem, so far at least, to have struck a balance between the race we're used to seeing and having young kids involved and from what I see I think it's working well.

My kids have watched a couple seasons of TAR. They love it, but they really enjoyed last weeks show. It even started a conversation between us and them about no matter how little or young you are you can take on tough challenges and work together as a team. Figure if I can pass along a life lesson, it wasn't a wasted two hours, LOL.

Babyjaxmom, you bring up an interesting point about Carissa (and thank you, I kept thinking Clarice and knew that wasn't right!) She's not an idle little girl. She could have been sitting back watching the other families work, and after the past day who would have blamed her, but instead she was busy helping others with their jobs. That might be why it didn't phase me about the 7 minute mile (especially after watching her outrun that one family to the pit stop, lol.) She seems like an always on the go, active kid, and having one of those myself I know you couldn't hold her down with duct tape.

Babyjaxmom
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Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Hmmmmm, duct tape. {Mother of active 5-year-old suddenly having revelation.}

Kep421
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LOL...thanks for the visual Babyjaxmom...