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Iheartkaysar
Member
08-16-2005
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:29 pm
Good answer.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:32 pm
The Linzs are always saying rude things about the Weavers, particularly making witch jokes about the mom. I didn't think tonight was any different from any other night as far as what they said about the Weavers goes. It doesn't sound like the Bransens hate the Weavers. It sounded kind of like they didn't understand why the rest of them did, but if it worked to their advantage they were going to just stay out of it. Surfgirl, I don't remember them bashing the Mormons. I heard the mother saying Utah was the Mormon state, but I thought she was just pointing a fact out about the state and I was like woohoo she finally got one fact about a state right! I'll watch it again when it comes on tonight to see what the heck I missed that upset you.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:34 pm
The yield has still put the Weavers way behind the other teams timewise. In that respect, it doesn't seem like it was totally pointless.
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Lizziedi
Member
10-05-2005
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:58 pm
It's late, but I just watched my Tivo of AR and had to stop in. Soooo agree with most about the Weavers. What offends me most is the Mom--who seems to approve and foster the ill-will and ill-manners of her children. As I commented before, she's the moral compass, and they really look to her for a reaction. Early on in the game--they would make comments and look over at her--for her reaction. I know the kids are older and should know better, but I really don't fault them. I just truly can't understand the attitude of the mom and this "we're Christians and the world hates us" motif, while they are unkind and negative at every turn. I don't mind the Linz family at all. They have a sarcastic sense of humor, yes, but they have great energy and a very solid core of true respect for each other, I think.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:03 pm
i must have missed other 'witch' statements. i only heard tonight's about the house falling on mom weaver and, i have to admit, it made me smile. and, sometimes she does act 'witchy', not to use the B word. what really makes me shudder is that she is a teacher. she murders the king's english, her kids are sorely lacking on their own country's geography, and they don't get reprimanded for anything they say or do. not a great role model, IMO. the weavers seem to just sit in their area when they are at pit stops. get out and join in, for Pete's sake. quit moping. show some enthusiasm. pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and be something besides 'the poor me' group. do you know how many people probably wanted to be on this family TAR? i am thinking they were only chosen because of their tragedy, but i had hoped they would come out of this stronger and with friends and support and an appreciation of the beauty around them. they are creating a lot of their own problems at this stage. poor rolly doesn't have a chance with 3 females always harping. he is going to end up just like them. all the other teams still seem to be close. the gaghans hang out with the paolos, for heaven's sake! the rogers family helped the shroeders after they lost their house. i'll bet no one even stays in touch with the weaver family. it's too bad, because i'll bet this family would be happier and able to function a little better if they would open their hearts and minds. they seem to have closed ranks to everyone who is not exactly like they are. they are 'good' and everyone else is not. they come off as bitter and angry when none of these people are responsible for the loss this family suffered. they should have been making friends and not enemies. again, JMHO!
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Lizziedi
Member
10-05-2005
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:13 pm
oh, and Lolol Iheart, at the psychic predictions! and echo Tishala at whywhywhywhy . . .?
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Lizziedi
Member
10-05-2005
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:18 pm
Wow Tabbyking--just read your post, we posted at about the same time and I have to say that you said everything I was thinking better that I did!
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:46 pm
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why a non-elimination leg WITH a YIELD?!! What purpose did THAT serve other than put them a bit behind?!!!!! Tish - I'm glad you caught what the Weaver mom said with her "invented words" because I thought I was hearing wrong!!! (revigorate and injuvinates ) Good grief!!!!!!! And could they complain any more? Noooooooo, I don't think so!!!!!!! They started off at the beginning saying how THEY were be treated, is so against their Christian beliefs. I didn't hear them mention at all about how they treat OTHERS! This is the most oblivious family I have ever seen as to why people hold ill will toward them. I couldn't believe all the negative comments about that beautiful land they were driving through. What a contrast to what the other teams had to say. I really wanted to root for this team but each week they say more and more negative things and act superior to everyone else, complain, denigrate, blah blah blah.....and I just can't take it ANYMORE!!! I so wanted them to be eliminated!! I agree with those who think the Linz family is a fun group and yes, what they said was negative but in a kidding way while the Weaver girl is dead serious saying a bad family will win and get nose and boob jobs. I was hoping they were watching themselves and seeing what others are seeing that they aren't so NICE about others all the time and do some reflection. I'd be so embarrassed if I were them. There has to be more than we are privy to as to why ALL the other teams dislike them. Smoke meet fire!
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Luvmykitties
Member
01-02-2004
| Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:53 pm
UGH! So dissappointed it was a non-elim tonight. well glad to see I'm not the only one tired of the Weavers and their "holier-than-thou" and "poor me" attitude. It reminds me so much of the "friendship". The other teams don't play victim and act like they don't say "less-than-nice-things". It's a game, and trash talking and sneaky things happen. Don't take it so personal. And especially don't act like "THEY" are so awful - when you are doing it as well. I'm sure a lot has to do with editing. But still... I always seem to hear negative things from the Weavers - be it about the other teams, or the locations they're in, or just about anything - but they talk about how they are wonderful loving people. Perhaps the other's picked up on all that negative energy? What was the reason one of the Weaver kids started throwing garbage at the other team's car last week? And tonight in the trailer, mother Weaver said how she has tried talking to the other teams and they are just rude to her. Well, if that's true, I didn't see it. And what about the Bransens? They've been pretty neutral. So why wouldn't they talk to the Weaver's if she tried talking to them? IMO - I've seen much more rude behavior from the Weavers towards the other teams (like mother Weaver getting in the Paolo boys face asking why he yielded them. And throwing food at another car for no apparent reason. just to name a couple) And I have a feeling the next leg will be one of those that end up having them all be on the same plain/train/boat so the playing field will be level again from the start. So the start time difference won't be a big deal. But I wonder what the Weaver's will do about money? I'm curious to see how that goes. I think at this point in the race (being almost the end and so few teams left) it would be difficult to get/give money to another team - no matter who it is. But with the other teams really wanting "Florida" out... should be interesting.
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Clutterfree
Member
10-24-2003
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 2:14 am
One minor negative I noticed from the Weavers in the begining...when the first two teams saw they would be hauling trailers, they thought it would be way cool! The Weavers reacted with "Oh, no...". I was really praying that even though not eliminated tonight they would voluntarily resign; I was sorry Phil talked them into staying. Oh, re the Weavers getting money...they get the break of at least being in a city rather than isolated location, imagine they will go begging like the rest. As I remember from my one visit to Utah, the Mormon people there were super(!) friendly, so imagine they will have some success. Whether it's the Weavers or not, I would like to petition the show NEVER to use begging again as a tool in the show; it is so degrading especially when in foreign country where it doesn't represent us well at all. Producers, TIME DELAY please, eliminate the begging!
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 2:18 am
Az, she didn't so much as say anything against Mormons but used her comment that 'Utah was the Mormom state' to explain to the children why it was so 'ugly'. They had just been commenting that God must have given up or something like that by the time he got to Utah. Among some fundamental Christians there is a real dislike/intolerance of Mormons and John Smith. They do not feel like it is a Christian religion.
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Tillytown
Member
08-02-2005
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:13 am
I've never been to Utah, but from the footage last night, the state is beautiful and I would love to visit there. I thought it was really offensive that the Weavers would call it "ugly". They wonder why the other teams don't like them, but they seem to forget all the negative things they did to them like THROWING GARBAGE OUT THE WINDOW!!!!!
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:44 am
You know, I sometimes think I'm watching a different show than the rest of you are watching. I agree that the Weavers will have no trouble getting money from strangers. They have been totally respectful and friendly to all the people that have helped them with directions and to all of their cab drivers.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 5:46 am
Azriel...of course they are totally respectful and friendly to all people who are willing to help them. Its when people don't do what the Weavers want that problems arise. I really think that is why they are having such a difficult time with the other teams... The other teams aren't helping them win!!! And the Weaver's attitude is: if you aren't helping us or willing to give us what we want, then you must hate us because we are good loving Christians.... And remember when someone tried to empathize with the kids at the race track? I believe people HAVE tried to be nice to the Weaver, but the Weavers are so wrapped up in their own negativity and immature feelings that they haven't noticed. I think the Weavers separated themselves from everyone else, and then justified their actions by saying everyone is against them...I think the Weavers' intial decision to not socialize with the other teams comes from the thought ".. other teams won't help us, so screw 'em."
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 6:05 am
Kep, their was nothing for the Weavers to justify. The other people really are against them and have been since the second leg of the race when they came in first place.
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Marej
Member
09-20-2002
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 6:20 am
It's all in the editing and I have this feeling who is going to win and I hope it's not true. I want to go visit Utah also. I hope we find out what really happened.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 6:21 am
Yes I agree that people have been against them since the second leg... But the Weavers have been against the others since the first leg of the race. They were the first to isolate themselves because the others were "superficial" and not christian like. And I've seen the others try to be nice to the Weavers (the racetrack incident) to maybe mend fences as it were, and the Weavers shot them down. The other teams may be against the Weavers, but the Weavers are the ones who made it that way... and keep it going.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 6:38 am
I just kept imagining what the Gaghans would have said during their journey through Utah. How they would have enjoyed that beautiful scenic drive; and if the question about the Mormans came up, we might have gotten a mini-history lesson (and by the way, Salt Lake City is only 50% Morman, there are many Catholics, Christians, and Jewish communities in the city). Instead, we got whining, complaining, sulking and "holier than thou" attitudes. Jeesh. 'squeek'
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:00 am
Kep, are sure about that? That's the question I have - who started the dislike - the Weavers against everyone else or vice versa? One of the eliminated families stated that the dislike of the Weavers started at the end of the first leg because the Weavers stayed up in their room instead of socializing with the rest of them. That tells me the other families may have started the feud. But did anyone ever consider the reason, like they might have been tired or someone was ill? Maybe they just plain needed some alone time. I know I would. Mom Weaver did say last night that they have attempted to befriend other teams and were rebuffed. So it could be the Weavers are operating in defense mode. I think it says something that, with $1 million almost at their fingertips, they are so unhappy that it almost seemed like a punishment to them last night to not be eliminated. Regarding Mom Weaver referring to Utah as the Mormom in response to Utah being ugly, I remember the conversation being one of the kids said they didn't know anything about Utah and the Mom said "I do, it's the Mormom state." On a trip to Colorado a couple of years ago with my parents, son and teenage stepson, we did a day trip to Utah to see the dinosaur park. After about the first few miles of the landscape, both boys lost interest and just wanted to get to the park. I don't think I would have fully appreciated it at their ages either. If the Weavers are at fault, I hope they watch these episodes and learn a few lessons. If not, they are owed a huge apology.
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Jasper
Member
09-14-2000
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:06 am
'Utah was the Mormom state' to explain to the children why it was so 'ugly' I don't believe that was the case, one of the kids said that they knew nothing about Utah and Mom said she did, it was the Mormon state and that was the end of it. Like another poster, I was thrilled she got a fact correct. Does anyone know what kind of teacher she is?
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:18 am
Well my point is the Weavers have no reservations about confronting the other teams about being yeilded or other things... yet they can't "confront" the teams as to why they are being disliked? And yes, I do believe they chose to isolate themselves from the other teams... Because they think of themselves as different and "better" than others. And I believe the Weavers even stated they were disliked because they didn't socialize with the others... if they didn't socialize because of illness, why wouldn't they say so? The Weavers are not trying to resolve this at all...because they truly believe they do no wrong and are never at fault. The mom has stated that they tried to be friends with the other teams... but this mom has also said that her family doesn't say anything negative or do anything wrong either...So that could just be her delusions talking again. I can see the other teams maybe bringing up the point that the Weavers didn't "meet and greet" and the Weavers getting all defensive and non responsive about it... It may have been a misunderstanding to begin with, but its the attitude and actions of the Weavers that keeps the fuel to the fire...
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:30 am
Personally, I think all the teams but the Bransens have exhibited some unkind and downright mean or maladapted behavior. I wonder why it's okay for the Linz's to wish a house to fall on someone? That seems horribly cruel and childish to me. Do the Weavers have some issues? Yup. But I hate to see anyone ganged up on like they have been. I still don't see how they earned it. And being clueless isn't a crime or even a choice so much. But being vicious is. As I said before, I have a heart for underdogs, I'd much rather see them win than the cruelty of the "in-crowd". 
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:39 am
Kar, I'm with you. Again, we don't know the full story behind what anyone has done. Look at the families who have expressed their dislike for the Weavers: 1. Schroders - mom told her son not to talk to anyone else and then said they would keep their strategy from him; son called mom a b---h. 2. Paolos - need I say more? 3. Linzes - not fully mature young adults with one wishing a house to fall on Mom Weaver 4. Godlewskis - they have issues within their own group The Gaghans and Bransens, the two families that haven't exhibited any major flaws, have said they have no problem with the Weavers.
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Cindori
Member
07-25-2003
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:39 am
I didn't have much of a problem with the Weaver mom saying that what she knew about Utah is that it's "the Mormon State." It did seem to be only in response to the kids saying they didn't know anything about Utah. The part that I would like explained or expounded upon is that immediately after that, one of the kids (I think it was Rolly?) said "well that explains it." What exactly did that explain?
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:43 am
I heard that too Cindori... it wasn't so much the words that were so negative it was the tone of distain and disgust that was in the voices at the time...
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