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Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lexie--I do. I also know there is no way to know for sure...

Fruitbat
Member

08-07-2000

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This is a race. Long distance runners, sprinters, car drivers, jockey's, etc do not stop. They keep going. Both the camera man and the woman who was with them have walkie talkies or some communication device. Clearly there was nothing anyone could have done. Help was on the way.

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I also see much more support for Rob and Amber here than anger towards them...

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Exactly Fruit!!! and lest anyone says 'well that is different, that is their job' well a million bucks is on the line here too!

Kitt
Member

09-06-2000

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"rather than the fact that the brothers were driving too fast for the conditions and actually caused an accident in which someone was injured.

This is what I am talking about. How do we possibly know that this is FACT?"


How do we know it isn't a fact? That was my point also, if you're willing to give the brothers the benefit of the doubt, why not Rob and Amber? And we do know they were driving too fast, they were commenting on getting rocked about in the clips before the crash, we just don't know if there was some other contributing factor causing the rollover.



Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Deflection. Focus the attention on the actions of one to deflect from the actions of another. Making the brothers out to be villanous because they had an accident is supposed to somehow make it ok that Rob and Amber didn't stop.

While I don't think Rob and Amber were wrong for not stopping, I think the reason why they didn't stop speaks more to their motives and morals. Per Rob, its a race and a competition, they don't stop for anything. Had Rob told Phil he didn't stop because there were others there and everything appeared to be under control, I don't think the reaction would have been quite so negative. But that isn't what Rob said.

But in any event, the brothers had an accident. They didn't choose to roll the car and hurt someone. Yes they certainly might have caused it through carelessness, but everyone makes mistakes and I don't think the brothers should be demonized because they had an accident.

Rob made a concious choice to not stop based on his competitive need to get to the pit stop first. The brothers had an accident due to driving too fast on an unfamiliar road. One action was a personal choice, the other a mistake in judgment. Comparing these two things is like comparing apples and missles. Not even close.

Native_texan
Member

08-24-2004

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Personally, after all this discussion and bashing from both sides, I can't wait to hear the story of what really happened.

I still favor Rob and Amber.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Name me one other competitor in ANY competition that stops? Jeff Gordon slows down for the flag, but does he stop and jump out and help when there is a crash? Lance Armstrong stop when there is a bike accident? Triathletes when a swimmer gets a cramp? Jockeys when a horse and rider falls? Dan Jansen during the olympics.....skaters went right past him........
This is a race. Plain and simple. No need to blame or exhault anyone. This is a race.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
btw, I am ticked I am going to miss tonite (opening day for the Astros!!!!!). Spoilers, spoil well please!

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Name me one other competitor in ANY competition that smugly grins when asked about a fellow competitor that had an accident?

I don't think its Rob's actions that are so inappropriate as his attitude about his fellow competitors.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Watched any post fight or post NFL game interviews?

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL... nope can't say as I have!!!

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Kep is talking about an accident, not a win.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was talking about injuries during a game/fight.

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Boy if people really do get happy about injuries to their opponents, well that is so sad. And that (in my opinion) does not justify it-just cuz others do it...

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julie don't take it to heart about the pro NFL players... I don't think they are actually happy when an opponet gets hurt, most of them know each other personally as friends and probably are just joking around.

And besides, pro NFL players aren't true competitor's anyway... they don't have to actually beat anyone to get their millions...

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well that is good. LOL about their millions! :-)

I am looking forward to tonight's episode and I wonder if there will be as many posts about it! I think I will have to root for Rob & Amber to stay. If they leave there won't be nearly as many posts.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Julie....bite your tongue and anything else you can reach....

Crzndeb
Member

07-26-2004

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You guys make my day...I choose not to pass judgement on anyone...that's the path I try to walk. I wasn't there, I don't know these people and I'm not so naive to know that in television there is HEAVY DUTY editing....I really try to comment on the show and not the people. Wouldn't it be fun if they did TAR with just message board people?...hehehe

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh yeah... and there could the TVCH team vs...um...are there any other message boards?

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Let's pick teams within TVCH

like Whoami and Mocha
Eeyore and Skootz
Texannie and Hippy
Seamnokey and Lancecrossfire
etc...

Landi
Member

07-29-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
in response to kep's post - having been in a pro-football family, i can honestly say. YES they can get quite estatic when a pro football players is hurt. i remember when my brother-in-law had his leg broken in front of millions of people. and the opposing team CHEERED! the fans from that oposing team CHEERED! yes, it has happened. and watching it replayed and replayed on television, you could definitely see the joy on the opposing teammates. did the opposing team rush to his side? NO! it was being handled by his team's doctors. in a competition, you are expected to give it your all. you are in it for YOU. not to help your opponent out.

Landi
Member

07-29-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
oh and i wanna be on the team with mocha, cuz she'll beat the **** out of all of ya and won't take names! hehehehhehehehe she knows the value of the million!

Spear
Member

08-06-2001

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Interesting that Lance Armstrong's name came up. When his main competitor Jan Ullrich crashed in the 2001 Tour de France, did Lance smirk and pounce on this lucky break? No. He waited until Ullrich recovered and caught up with him. He wasn't required by the rules to wait for Ullrich. He later said he did it because it's considered bad form to take advantage of your competitors' misfortune.

Does anyone really think it's admirable to cheer when opponents are injured? I know it happens but I thought most reasonable people condemned such behavior.

What's even worse is that it wasn't a competitor that was injured -- it was a cameraman. I don't think anyone can claim that it's normal behavior to be happy about such an accident.

Julieboo
Member

02-05-2002

Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay the first team is Mocha and Landi!

And Spear, I would hope people wouldn't find it admirable to cheer at an opponent's injury. Unfortunately they do and no one seems to think it's so bad. (I do though!!)