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Kimmykm
Member
08-26-2003
| Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:42 pm
I love reality tv, bad guys, good guys, I love it all! The only time you're gonna see me whine is when I get involved in a show and they yank it off the air midstream!
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Cousin_jake
Member
07-04-2002
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 5:33 am
I was beginning to enjoy Rob and Amber but I guess I'm over them. I find L/A's "high drama" entertaining. Still hoping for U/J and the brothers. Almost couldn't watch the last few minutes of the last episode as I was sure they were going. This season is turning out to be great. I hope the family teams for the next race aren't a "Jumping the shark" moment for TAR.
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 11:19 am
I don't know. I don't really care for these guys, but I do see the entertainment value in their snide remarks.
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Kimmykm
Member
08-26-2003
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 12:51 pm
don't get me wrong, I've got my favorites and least favorites but I'm not trying to convince someone else why my least favorite should be your least favorite - because I don't really know what's going on, only how it is edited! So I just sit back and watch it just like I did Erica Cane back in the olden days!
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Katbry
Member
10-27-2004
| Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:04 pm
I cannot believe the racist comment one of these guys made (I think Lynn) at the carry or milk it roadblock...when U/J decided to carry and these goofballs couldn't one of them said "Well, they were born to do this!" And then the comment @ Meredith and wife being to stupid to make it on the road. Between this and the way they act towards the locals, these guys are the rudist I have ever seen. <el> I really hope they lose next. 
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:08 pm
I agree with the above, though not quite as vehemently. On a high note, they enjoyed their surroundings and I was quite touched with the way Lynn supported Alex all the way through the last task; he was loving and didn't once bemoan the fact that they should have had him do that taks because of the standard transmission. I do respect the way they treat each other..
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:09 pm
I did not like those comments either, but I must make a point. When U said his roots were kicking in when he was carrying the stuff, was he being racist? His comment was so close to the same thing Lynn said. Is it racist if you make comments about your own race? Just wondering?
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:21 pm
In a word, no.
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Spygirl
Moderator
04-23-2001
| Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:07 pm
I gotta go with Sea on this one. The rules are such that you only have a PC right to comment on your own race and/or experience not others. Kinda like how you (generic "you") can raise your kids however you want and you can criticize your own abilities (or lack thereof), but when others do it, they are overstepping. 
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:20 pm
My DH and I both looked at each other with our mouths wide open at that comment. I don't care what Uchenna said later -- both of us felt as though the comment made by Alex/Lynn (not sure which, though I thought it was Alex) was said with a racist intent. Interestingly, I've also noticed and admired how supportive they are of each other. I respect them for that -- in fact, there are quite a few couples this season who are supportive of each other and it's nice to see. However, my admiration for that aspect is unfortunately overshadowed by my distaste over their comments about others over the past few episodes...
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Katbry
Member
10-27-2004
| Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:53 pm
I also agree w/Sea & Spygirl re: PC comments...and I suppose I am a little jaded because of the the way A/L have acted before towards other locals of the countries (i.e. calling the people in the Peruvian market people "b$tches" and other comments they have said). Although, you are correct, Lynn was supportive of Alex tonight. 
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 8:32 am
I found their remark about carrying the baskets more ethnocentric than rascist. To me rascism has a mean intent. When I heard that comment what I heard them saying was yeah... Africa... ladies carrying baskets on their head. And you have to admit that is an image that we often see of African rural life. ETA that while a word like b$tch3s thrown around casually may offend some... it is common slang language among a lot of people.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 8:32 am
I haven't had the chance to watch my tape yet, so I don't know what exactly was said, but from what's been posted here, I don't see the racism. Had Lynn said something to the effect that all black people were born to carry heavy objects then I could understand. Do we know for sure that Lynn was saying that Uchenna was born for this work because he was black? Could he have meant that Uchenna was big and strong and muscular? Usually racist remarks are detrimental in nature and and made out of hate or ignorance. Was Lynn being sarcastic or did he have a negative tone? If I were to say that I thought black people had the most beautiful smiles because of the contrast of their skin color against the whitenss of their teeth, would that be considered a racist remark? I just think that sometimes its too easy to lable innocent remarks as racist. I think that kind of labeling is detrimental because then it becomes harder to recognize true racism.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 8:45 am
My impression was that he saw them doing so well at the task (much better than he and Alex were) that they must have been born to do it, along the lines of "He's a born salesman" or "she's a born teacher."
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 8:46 am
I'm with Prisoner on this one.
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:00 am
If the comment had not been about an AA couple in Africa, no one would have thought anything of it. However, given their snarky comments about other people and places throughout the game, you have to wonder if it was intended as a compliment.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:09 am
Exactly, Native.. and it could be that they had been observing how well Uchenna was doing and also how well he was able to give help to Joyce. Had they watched Amber they might have observed that she also seemed to be a natural.. she quickly finished the basket part and was starting on the logs when they decided to switch tasks because Rob wasn't doing well with the first part. But.. Lynn has an unfortunate habit of creating these little questionable "moments"..
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:18 am
Unfortunately I dont pay close attention to what I see on TV versus what I hear. I did not realize their comment was directed at a particular team. I thought the reference was to the locals. If it was directed at a particular team I would be more inclined to read more into it as some others have above here. I dont know about anyone else but I have found these two alternately annoying and entertaining.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:20 am
The comment was made when Joyce and Uchenna were performing the task and Lynn and Alex had attempted it and were heading over to milk goats.
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:38 am
I am beginning to gather that Sea. I have a tendency to do a dozen things while watching TV so I hear a lot more than I see. I hope they didnt mean anything mean. I see Lynn and Alex as snarky but so much is editting. For all we know other couples make just as many disparaging remarks but the editors decided they were so good at it that they would make the boys this seasons snarky team.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:45 am
I don't know what their intent was. It's impossible to know. But given some of their other comments (including those when they were in "Compton"), I took "they were born to do this" as a comment made based on the race of Uchenna and Joyce. Who knows if it was meant in that way. But I took it that way.
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Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:47 am
One could argue that calling Peruvians "b**ches" is the ultimate in racial acceptance, because L&A are not talking about them any differently than they would treat the staff down at the Jamba Juice on Santa Monica Boulevard. They're getting the exact same sass as anyone else would get. To me, that's acceptance. Treating other races differently--that's racism. I didn't see their comment about U&J's basket-carrying to be racist. How often have we heard on American Idol that someone was "born to sing," for example? It's an expression that states that someone is good at something. Anyway, Uchenna himself, by the way, said he was born to do it, in a manner of speaking--he said the ability possibly came from possibly genetic memory passed down from his father's life in Nigeria.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 10:48 am
Wonder if we could get Alex another partner to finish the race. I don't care for Lynn at all but have to give him cudos for his patient driving instructions to Alex.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 10:49 am
I've said weeks ago that I found some of the remarks made by Lynn and Alex towards other teams to be hateful. Last night just reinforced my feelings. I was stunned at what they said. I really wish this team would go away.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:13 am
I also tend to hear much more than I see.. thankfully if I'm downstairs and miss something I can run it back on the DVR, but often I don't even realize I missed an important visual..
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