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Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Julie & Sas!

Personally I think he's too good at 'playing cocky' for it to all be an act. He seems pretty familiar with the 'tude.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ssaman, he's full of something alright.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have always wondered why confidence in some people is perceived as arrogance but not in others. Where is the line? What's too confident?
Even arrogance in some people is not considered a bad trait.
I think it goes back to whether or not you like person and their level of confidence/arrogance is irrelevant. You will look at someone you like as confident and someone you dislike as arrogant.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think so Tex. I think for me, the problem with Rob is that he is so derogatory toward others, and thinks himself better than others.

So to me, he's not saying "I'm good at this". He says "I'm better at this than everyone else" while rather kind of sneering and laughing at other people, in my opinion.

Does that difference make sense?

I don't dislike Rob, as I've said, I think he's very bright and I really enjoy that he and Amber get along so well and haven't done what many couples do in this stressful race - and that's blame each other and be nasty toward each other. They've done very well together.

I just don't like this particular trait of his.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Karuuna, we aren't hearing the same quotes, I think.. Rob is the only one to tell the camera, and more than once or twice, that he knows he's been lucky at times AND that other teams are very strong, or good competition. He made very positive comments about Debbie and Bianca, and also about all of the remaining teams, including Lynn and Alex. Several of the other teams, e.g., Lynn and Alex, have made snide comments and claimed to be "better". Rob makes cocky statements, such as, "if they ask who told you not to help (this to the woman who booked the tickets for R/A & R/K at the small airport in India, while outside, Lynn borrowed the cell phone to make reservations for the other teams.. Rob telling the woman not to help the others, Lynn telling the cell phone owner not to help those inside)..Rob told the woman, if they asked to blame him. That was cocky. But it was also saying he'd take the heat if necessary.

I'm not saying here he is never cocky or never makes statements about other teams.. mostly in the vein of how dare they get in his way (Lynn/Alex in the taxi, Debbie/Bianca yelling at him about lying - though Debbie or Bianca later apologized for that) but it is more the other teams who have held certain teams in low regard (like saying they would be embarrassed for Meredith and Gretchen to beat them).

I can't think of a time Rob said he was better at this and sneering about the abilities of others.. in fact, he's often talked about various teams being strong and a big threat. He also talked about being born lucky, which doesn't sound to me like saying he is inherently superior.

I dont say you should like Rob, or any trait and I certainly was not his fan in Survivor. I thought he was extremely arrogant AND made uncalled for derogatory statements about people then. I can understand your general feeling but haven't observed examples that support your stated reasons ("derogatory to others", "thinks himself better than others", "better than anyone else".

Not sure how he even approached Lynn in unkind statements about other teams.

(on The Amazing Race, not talking about Survivor in my general statements).

And he's not sunshine and roses on TAR, he's not anyone's buddy or caretaker.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with Sea.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I didn't watch him on his Survivor and really only came in on the tail end of the All Star Suvivor so didn't have too much of a preconceived notion on them.
Don't most atheletes say "I am better at this than my opponent"? But they aren't arrogant.
Donald Trump doesn't say I am good at this, he says, I am better than everyone else at this....he's not cocky.
One team can say 'we are they best' and they are being confident. Rob says it and he has a large ego. One team can say 'I hate them' and they are funny. Rob says anything other than positive about another team and he's arrogant.
I still maintain that we are colored by our overall like or dislike for a person as to where that line is drawn.

Gidget
Member

07-28-2002

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"So to me, he's not saying "I'm good at this". He says "I'm better at this than everyone else" while rather kind of sneering and laughing at other people, in my opinion.

Does that difference make sense?"

makes perfect sense kar. i know someone who like rob thinks he is all that and really he is. i am also privvy to his personal thoughts. and i did not realize until your post why i dont care much for rob.

rob has the same cocky attitude this person i know has. so i think i am associating my rl person's thought process with rob's.

if i said it once i said it a thousand times. you are gorgeous and brilliant but those are gifts that were given to you. you did nothing to earn those things.

the person of whom i speak pretty much thinks everyone else is stupid. and surely most everyone else does not equal his intelligence but that is not a fault that they are less gifted.

i feel so much better about romber now. i also have liked the way he seems to be with amber. i emphasize seems to be because frankly we have no idea what any of these couples are really like with each other.

i'd bet most of the posters here know the "perfect" couple that split up. i speak from experience when i say you cannot judge a couple by their public persona.



Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

Donald Trump doesn't say I am good at this, he says, I am better than everyone else at this....he's not cocky.



Perspective is a funny thing...I think DT is the definition of and role model for arrogance because he does say that he is better than everyone else with such ridiculous certainty.


Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gidget, you are proving my point too. You see Rob colored with your experience of the person you don't like.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, Spy, but he is often applauded for his arrogance. Many admire him for his 'self confidence'. That's why I am so amused by all this, how the same trait in one person is an asset (or at the very least not a liability) but in others it is considered a flaw.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually, Tex, I see it as a flaw in everyone, so at least I'm consistent. Tex, same thing with DT and Rob, some people call it self-confidence, I call it arrogance. Donald is sometimes arrogant, but I do appreciate his ability to poke fun at himself too. Just as I appreciate some things about Rob, but not what I perceive to be his arrogance. It's one thing to be better than others at whatever you are, and to have self confidence in your abilities. It's one thing to say "I can win this, I'm faster." It's another thing (to me) to imply other people are stupid and be smug when you can manipulate them (which Rob does consistently).

Sea, interesting that you don't see that in him. I think it has toned down since the first coupla of episodes, but it's still apparent to me.

You gave the perfect example. Dissing L/A for not sharing their cab when he would not have shared a cab with them and in fact has gone out of his way to not share when its not to his advantage to do so. To me, that's the height of arrogance, to get mad at someone for doing exactly what *you* would do in the same circumstance.

I would have found him much more endearing if he had laughed it off and said "well, I've done the same to others."

Gidget
Member

07-28-2002

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
oh i dont dislike this person. i just dislike that aspect of his personality. nor do i dislike rob. i dont even know rob. i just dislike some aspects of his personality that we have seen.

and i agree with spy. i see DT as very arrogant. but he fascinates me to no end. rob... not so much.


Csnog
Member

07-18-2002

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Have any of you seen Phil's diary at CBS?

It gives extra footage and conversations that are not shown. If not try this link.

http://miscellaneousdebris.home.comcast.net/reality/

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This sounds like a tomAto/tomOto kind of thing to me! LOL

Spygirl
Moderator

04-23-2001

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 2:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
To be clear, I, too, do not like arrogance regardless of who shows it, so I will hold my own view knowing that I am consistent rather than selective. If other people applaud DT for his behavior - oh well - I certainly don't.

Gidget
Member

07-28-2002

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
good gracious i dont applaude DT but i certainly respect what he has achieved and find it quite fascinating. all that money and he cant get a decent hair style. and dont even get me started on his mating habits. still he is a very interesting man in spite of his arrogance.

i got a kick out of the episode of apprentice last season when he was faulting a team for not taking care of the vip's better. i am pretty sure i would not last 5 minutes in his actually presence. first snobby attitude and i would let him have it with both barrels.


Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
CSnog....great site!!! I only watched the last video, but everyone should watch these!!!!

Rvon
Member

12-11-2003

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for the link, CSnog. I, too, only watched the last video, but with more time, I will try to watch the others.

Supergranny
Member

02-03-2005

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 4:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My problem with Rob is that I remember on Survivor how he asked Lex to save Amber. Which Lex did...but the first chance Rob got, he voted Lex off with the help of Amber. On TAR I see the same attitude, be nice to your face but ask the clerk to give the girls the wrong directions. He is so utterly conniving and devious! And uses his fame from Survivor to get the hotel clerk or bus driver or airline clerk to aid him in keeping the others from succeeding. I think this has become quite obvious to the others and that's why the dislike of the couple. We have traveled quite a bit overseas and it is hard enough dealing with directions and foreign languages without having some jerk trying to hamstring you!

Cousin_jake
Member

07-04-2002

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As my Mom and Dad used to say "We want you kids to have confidence in yourselves and your abilities, but please, let's have inner confidence - let others praise you if they wish, don't praise yourself" The whole idea of trash talk would have been inconceivable to them. I think a little humility and self deprecation is a much more attractive trait.

Padivius
Member

08-21-2003

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 8:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This thread has said alot so obviously I have not had the time to read it all. My apologies if I repeat what has already been said.

I have to say though that I agree with Karuuna (Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 12:19 pm). Rob's arrogance is not only over-confidence in himself, but over-confidence in his ability to succeed better than the others.

There's a distinction to be made between rising to the top and winning, and pushing others down on your way up.

Another problem I have with Rob is his hypocrisy. He uses his no-holes-barred strategy, but gets affronted when he is the victim of another team doing the exact same thing. (ex. Lynn and Alex and sharing the large taxi. There's no way Rob would have allowed another team in his taxi, regardless of its size.)

While I realize that Rob and Amber make a good, supportive couple, I'm not sure that they make the best Amazing Race team. This appears to be a continuation of the type of game they played in Survivor: Rob does all the strategizing and manipulating, Amber rides along and reaps the benefit. I'm not sure if this is because he doesn't have respect for her decisions or capabilities in this, or doesn't trust her capacity to play the game the way HE wants, but in my mind, it doesn't make a good TEAM, regardless of how supportive they are of one another. It's nice to see a TEAM win the race: two people who worked well together to achieve their goal.

The underlying theme in all this is the fact that because Rob and Amber have not only appeared on another reality show (in two seasons each, no less), but they won the grand prize. They should not be eligible to compete again for another grand prize.
(Those who remember will recall I said the same thing of Tina, Ethan, Richard and Jenna who played again on Survivor: All-Stars, even though I like those players.)

Just my .

Twiggyish
Member

08-14-2000

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 8:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I like Rob. He's playing the game with a sense of humor. It is only a game.

Backgammonjane
Member

02-28-2004

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
everyone should watch that link with the video clips its fantastic

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well we can keep going round in circles. I don't take statements Rob makes to a camera, undoubtedly in answer to a specific question, said with a smile on his face and irony in his voice as an example of him being truely outraged. I just don't buy that.

I also do think they are a good team and don't see Amber as just riding along. She's working the maps, reading the clues and very importantly not second guessing every more (as Kelly does) and she's being supportive of him AND he's being supportive of her. Good team. If they go not a foot forward from here in the race, they've done very well and better than most. Other good teams have done worse.

Kar, we just see it differently, no harm, no foul.

As for put downs, I think far more put downs this season have come from other teams and many directed at Romber, than from them to anywone else, but again, just my perception.

Thanks for the link.. I'll check it out! Ah, well I didn't get that these are the videos from the cbs site.. and yes, there are some interesting ones there for sure. Guess I don't get popup errors on that site, lucky for me.

Ourlocal news had some fun ones from Phil, including one where HE was joking with a bunch of people asking them if his shirt was really "gay" and everyone around shouted YES! Lynn and Alex were there and Lynn said their votes count twice.

And he's quite amazed by Gretchen and Meredith, he mentioned that again.

I think Phil ended up with the better job.. he lost out on Survivor host to Jeff Probst.