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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 12:28 pm
I'd enjoy seeing Rob and Amber in the final three and I'd like to see them finish ahead of Lynn and Alex. But it's all good fun as far as I'm concerned.
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Padivius
Member
08-21-2003
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 4:46 pm
Jimmer: I think the argument regarding financial status is dependant on how that financial status has been achieved. In this case, Rob and Amber have already achieved fame/money on a CBS reality show. Other financially secure contestants would be such due to other factors. I agree that it doesn't make sense for them to be allowed another chance to win. AND, I definately want Lynn and Alex to beat them!
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 7:05 pm
I don't agree with that personally, but I think that it is a reasonable distinction if you want to make it. So I guess it would be okay for Trista and Ryan to compete? 
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 10:21 pm
no, don't want to see trista and ryan compete, either. i want all unknowns on this show. the MOLE was ruined once they went to only celebrity shows, IMO. where is it now?
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 11:37 pm
I don't think that is the same thing. Rob and Amber won a million. The Baldwins are far more wealthy and most of the celebs were "hired" to act out on each other. That was a complete mockery. But I'm for having interesting people, at least. People who are competitive. Really tired of wannabe actors and models and beauty queens, for that matter. But once the season starts, I figure throw them all in and let them fight it out and Rob and Amber are giving me more to watch than almost anyone else this season (I like Joyce, Uchenna and Meredith, too. Many of the so-called "unknowns" get the gigs through their agents, unfortunately.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 8:16 am
I read on another site the Lynn and Alex were recruited for the show. They are supposedly "in the business" and friends thought the duo would be good on TAR. I think there will always be a fair number of contestants that do no apply blindly for the show. Many have agents, or friends in the casting process, or are friends of previous racers (Fred/Kenda were friends of Reichen and Chip I believe). Whether these people are highly known by the public (Rob and Amber) or unknowns (Lynn and Alex), many will always come from sources like this.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 8:55 am
Sure and that's because it's easier and potentially safer for the Producers to recruit known contestants as they think that they will be more predictable and will fill a certain role. Potentially both satisfying and unsatisfying for the viewer. Unsatisfying in that it somewhat reduces the "reality" nature of the show and takes opportunities away from "real" people. Satisfying in that "real" people can turn out to be pretty boring at times.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 9:09 am
It's funny how people who've participated in previous reality TV are put down for ever appearing again on TV. Yet, if an actor does well in one project, the public does not get all upset if they appear again. No one complains about the actor as "already having his/her chance". So, is it about the fame? Is is about the money? Is it about the exposure? Recruitment? Famous people have reality TV shows - Osbournes, Nick and Jessica, Paris Hilton. Rich people win reality TV shows - Chip and Kim Exposure - over exposed people appear on reality TV shows - Paris Hilton, etc. Overexposed people appear on reality TV shows - all the RW/RR folks on MTV. Recruitment? Lynn and Alex were recruited. Rob and Amber asked to be on the show. For me the bottom line is - is this a TV show I want to watch. Does the addition of this person(s) make the show more entertaining? Chip and Kim, despite their preexisting personal wealth were very entertaining and enjoyable to watch. Rob and Amber may be the couple people love to hate, or the couple that people love to watch play the game hard. Either way, they are getting people to watch and talk about the show. So I don't mind them anymore than Chip and Kim. (And, like Chip and Kim, I really enjoy watching them.)
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 9:21 am
Chip and Kim were NOT wealthy prior to the show and were in financial difficulties. They used their winnings to pay off thier debts and to start a motivational speaking business.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 9:38 am
I thought they were wealthy before the show too.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 9:39 am
Yes Chip and Kim were said to be in some financial difficulties at the time they went on the show, but it is evident that they had experienced considerable financial success in the past (owned their own business, large house, etc.), as have other contestants that have appeared in various seasons. These shows aren’t charities and I don’t think there should be a "means" test to be a contestant. They are all about entertainment.
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Sassynegal
Member
01-21-2005
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 9:41 am
I am a fan of letting them have thier 15 minutes on reality tv, but when it's over - they go back to who they were - I don't follow past reality tv stars and think them famous once thier shows are over and I don't care for updates, but if others do so be it - that's what makes the reality tv work.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 9:54 am
I think "wealth" is relative. I personally think that ALL of the contestants are relatively wealthy or well off in the first place, otherwise they couldn't be on here. We haven't seen any welfare receipients in the bios because all the contestants so far have had the funds or financial resources available to them to allow them to compete. That's as it should be in my book. I couldn't, nor do I know of many people who could, take off from work or go with out pay for the one, two or three months it takes to compete on these shows. I think the only criteria should be your ability to compete....
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 9:57 am
I'm curious. Does anyone know what the prizes are for finishing other than first in TAR? I've never heard of anything. Do you get anything for finishing second?
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 10:03 am
i think it's only the experience of a lifetime that anyone but the top team gets........i know on survivor you get more the longer you are not eliminated, but i think TAR is "all or nothing". of course, the nothing is a pretty great adventure with places most people could never afford to visit on their own.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 10:31 am
I'm sure they get the pretty standard stipend that all reality show participants get and they certianly are maintained while running the race and during sequestration after they are off the race. I think there are various factors at work after someone gains a modicum of fame on a reality show and there are a few who actually can parlay that into other serious gigs in the business or related areas. Usually those are the ones who came INTO the first reality show with some talent or appeal. The ones who arrive with a schtick that they think will work usually fade away, thankfully. And then I think there are quite a few people who really feel that if only <insert name here> hadn't gotten onto <insert show here> then I might have been one of those chosen. (note that this seems to be the feeling even for people who have never tried out for a show). And while I know there are people who apply and aren't selected who would probably be wonderful, the truth is that most of us simply aren't what they are looking for. It is also true that there's a whole lot of people who couldn't begin to afford to take the time off, for a whole variety of reasons. I had thought Chip and Kim had to have money, but after the race there were some good articles in our paper (Chip and Kim live in Orange County, where I am) told about not only failure of businesses but the situation that a business partner had taken money from the business in one instance, so they were really hurting when they went on the show. Coto de Caza, where they lived at that time (and I assume they still live there) IS quite pricey. Whatever the reason, they were delightful contestants! Joyce and Uchenna, this season, have the tale of lost jobs, economic problems, but I just like them for who they are with each other.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 11:18 am
Chip and Kim owned a house that was worth over a million dollars which they purchased long before home values sky rocketed in that area. If they sold it they would have well over a half million dollars - even after paying off their mortgage . Rob and Amber combined won 1.25 million from All Stars, after taxes they keep around half of that. Neither Rob or Amber owned a house going into All Stars. So, net wealth wise there really isn't much of a difference between the two couples.
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Egbok
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 11:32 am
I just had to come in and agree with Sea, in that the area where Chip & Kim live is very pricey indeed! I really don't know about their financial business, before or after the show, but I just assumed they had money only because of the area they resided. Lots of 6 figure incomes in that area. I absolutely adore Chip and Kim and always wish them well. I hope that someday I have an opportunity to see them in person...that would be great!
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 11:40 am
Gina, I'm not sure where you're getting your information but here's info about Chip/Kim... By 1998, Chip & Kim had developed an extremely successful Information Technology Consulting Firm. Due to their success, in 1999, Chip, Kim and their loving family purchased their Dream Home in Coto De Caza, California (located in South Orange County). However, early in 2001, Chip & Kim felt the brunt of the combination of the “Dot Bomb” phenomenon, the Information Technology sector dump and the stock market crash. In 2001, based on being in a financial crunch, Chip & Kim agreed to form a 50-50 business with another couple that were in a similar situation. Chip & Kim worked extremely hard with their partners on their new company for 14 months without making a dime. Due to Chip’s negotiations and Kim’s placement skills, their new company was instantly transformed into a multi-million dollar company with one extraordinary deal. However, a few months after the new company started realizing profits, their business partners stole their business from them. At the present time, Chip & Kim are in the process of pursuing their share of the profits of their company through the court system. The utter betrayal and thievery forced Chip & Kim into virtually poverty. However, their faith was never lost. Chip & Kim went into prayer mode, drew closer to Jesus and exercised their faith in Him to come up with a way to deliver them from their misery. link
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Crzndeb
Member
07-26-2004
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 11:53 am
Reality....bought a house in Del Mar (near San Diego) in 1975 with 10k my Mom left when she passed. Price $57,950....sold house in 1988 to move to Seattle area (as a single parent with 2 children)...sold for $203K....house today is worth close to 3/4 million...there is no way I could afford that house now, but if I still lived there, the mortgage would be paid....So, I agree with Gina...just because you live in a million dollar home, don't mean your wealthy. On paper, maybe. I have seen some dumps in San Diego going for 1/2 mil. I think most people in Cali metropolitan cities have to make close to 6 figures just to qualify to buy. Sad!
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 11:57 am
Chip and Kim aside, I still think that wealth should not be relevant to who gets to play the game (other than you probably have to be able to get four weeks vacation to run the race). I just want to see entertaining and competitive teams.
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Crzndeb
Member
07-26-2004
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 12:01 pm
You are absolutely right Jimmer....In fact, I usually don't even care about the people...I love seeing all the different countries and cultures and add them to my list of places I want to visit someday.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 12:03 pm
Exactly Jimmer. What does Chip/Kim's financial status have to do with it anyways?
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 12:03 pm
Actually there is a difference. Rob/Amber have cash, Chip/Kim didn't. But Jimmer is correct, their individual net worth doesn't matter to me, rich or poor just entertain me and be real.
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Monday, April 04, 2005 - 12:05 pm
my dad bought a house in alamo, CA (before the ritzy area of "alamo/blackhawk" was built) in 1980 for $189,000. quite alot in those days (about $400,000 in today's dollars). the house's value is now over $1.5 million. there used to be a 12 acre empty piece of property next door. now it has $3million homes on it. 12 of 'em. great on paper, great to get additional mortgages. but not money in the bank.
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