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Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't want to belittle Uchenna and Joyce's win. Who cares how it happened? I don't like to think someone meddled in things, either. Just look at as fun show. I Loved it.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought the plane had at least rolled back, I don't know about taxied away. In the show I'm pretty sure they showed it "driving" closer to the gate and then the chute thing re-extending. I might be wrong, but I thought they showed rolling...

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Theory: CBS wanted Uchenna and Joyce to win. They paid off Rob and Amber by paying for their wedding.
Rational explanation: If CBS wanted a likable couple to win, where the hell were they last season? Or in season three? And does anyone think for a second that Rob, competitor that he is, would allow himself to be used like a pawn and cause him to lose yet again?


Pardon me, but I can easily see that happening. Everybody has a price and R/A are no exceptions...

Rosie
Member

11-12-2003

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Nick.

I don't buy any of that. CBS paid for R/A's wedding because of Survivor. Doubt TAR had anything to do with the wedding.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I also wanted to add, but my computer kicked me offline before I had the chance...(Seems to be doing that alot lately.)

Rob is a competitor, True that, but he's also a realist. I can totally see him working a deal with CBS about the outcome of the race. I can totally believe that he promised to make it fun and exciting..."I promise you people will watch this season because they don't like us and will want to see us lose...with that being said, we'll make it close all the way, BUT, for each time we're first, we get gold."

The plane turning around does seem to be a bit extreme, but if Rob had agreed to it ahead of time...seems to me that's why were not hearing him cry foul. And Rob would make sure people knew he was robbed of the prize...

And there maybe any number of other deals that went on behind the scenes...R/A are taking care of for the rest of their natural born lives because of TAR, I don't doubt it a bit. Rob, as much as I hate to say it, is a realist and will do what it takes to take care of his family. Fifteen minutes of fame or not...I can respect him for that.

Of course, that's if it's how it happened. ;D

Realbiz
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10-24-2002

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
True, the wedding deal was a result of ASS, not TAR. TAR did help re-create the buzz around them, leading up to the televised wedding two weeks after the finale. Romber also HELPED the rating of TAR to it's series high!! so they deserve the all the rewards no less. Looking forward to the Wedding!

Rosie
Member

11-12-2003

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 3:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does anyone remember why R/A's car was pulled over by the police?

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wouldn't put it past Rob to try that, but what does it say about CBS if they accepted that offer? Everyone seems to focus on Rob, but it would take two parties to agree to that.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 4:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's all about ratings Texannie. CBS could easily make that kind of deal if it would give them the ratings they wanted out of this season and from what I hear, the Finale did pretty good.

I know I'm stretching here, but to me, it's the only thing that makes sense. The planted guides, the locals who were more than willing to step in out of the blue, when it seemed R/A were in a bind. The prizes they won when they did come in first while others got jobbed...AND the plane seemingly screeching to a halt and turning around when all was lost for U/J.

And in the big picture...CBS would not be out that much money to get the ratings they desired. Talk about big oil and big tobacco...let's talk Big Hollywood for a bit.

Rabbit
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08-12-2001

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In sports it is extremely common to offer appearance fees to top names to get them to enter events and tournaments. Some events pay name players more money to just show up then the actual first prize that is rewarded. In Europe Ernie Els gets as much as as a million dollars to participate in tournaments he would otherwise skip. Tiger Woods has skipped that much and more for offers to play in some International tournaments, and was reportedly paid $1 million, to play in Thailand once that had a total prize purse of only $800,000 (he then won the tournament as well and got half of that.)

This money is never included in the announced prize purse. Nor included in their career winnings stats. Appearance fees are not published by the event directors.

If TAR had paid Rob and Amber an appearance fee of say $2 million, then CBS would have gotten a bargain for what they got in ratings. It also makes coming in second a pill that is easier to swallow, knowing any prize money is just a bonus.

Not saying that it happened, but if I were R & A or their agents I would have demanded an appearance fee and I bet CBS would have been more than willing to pay, if such a fee was indeed asked for.


Chewpito
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01-04-2004

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
this will get me in trouble, but, i have allways liked rob, i think hes great, hes a hard player,smart as heck, knows how to play the game, surviver and TAR, he has allways been respectfull to amber and never really rubbed me wrong... hell, if i had a man like that, that i knew could care for me..build me a home with his own two hands and protect me like a rabbid animal if i was in danger...no problem here....

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't even doubt that there might have been an appearance fee paid, but to manipulate airlines, foreign police....think that could blow up in CBS' face if it were true. AND if CBS were planting guides ect, wouldn't they be a little more subtle in the editing?

Maris
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03-28-2002

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
At the end of the day even if CBS manipulated the outcome by making sure it was a tight finish, Rob and Amber seemed to be pretty happy with the outcome. They were able to laugh about it and you didnt see any of the bitterness that Lynne and Alex exhibited. Can you imagine what their reaction would have been if they were in Rob and Amber's shoes?

All in all, I think they did give Uch and Joyce a little bit of a hand at the end but I think Rob and Amber were just as happy they got trips and were treated very well by CBS for their wedding and also buying them a house. It worked out for everyone. I also agree with Chewpito, having a guy like Rob in your corner is not a bad thing to have.

Vsmart
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02-10-2003

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've watched every season of TAR. It almost didn't come back for the 2nd season because of low ratings. Anything that adds to the viewership & guarantees my favorite show staying on the air is OK by me. R&A never fought on camera. If only begging was eliminated.

Hootyhoot
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12-18-2001

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I heard that Rob and Amber are going to be in the new Big Brother !



Maris
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03-28-2002

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 6:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If they do go on BB, I can see Rob manipulating it that someone begs TO eat the PB&J for him and Amber.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nick, I’d be a little worried about that computer kicking you off all the time – could be part of the big conspiracy.

Seriously, I wouldn’t be surprised if CBS offered Rob and Amber some sort of bonus/incentives for participating, but I would be astonished if they actually rigged the game in their favour. Awarding them prizes for finishing first all the time is just too obvious. It would be much easier and IMO totally legitimate to offer them some sort of appearance fee/compensation for higher ratings.

CBS is interested in keeping things close, hence the bunching up. Also, as a key sponsor and in a way a partner with CBS who is more than slightly interested in good ratings, it was probably a fairly easy decision on the part of American Airlines to get U/J on the plane. So I think that was probably pretty unusual and fixed, but not completely by CBS.

The big dramatic ending with the begging for money was rather silly IMO. And now that I’ve heard that the big welcoming reception at the end by the other teams is faked, I wish they would just get rid of it.

I like R/A and find them entertaining but I sure hope you are kidding about BB.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 7:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, like I said, it was a stretch.

I can buy into the appearance fees and stuff, but it sure sounded good...didn't it?

Anyway, here's to a good season, great ending and I really don't care how it happened...I was glad to see U/J win.

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh ... I love a good conspiracy theory and your's are some of the best Nick!

And I was glad to see U/J win (now that I'm getting over my disappointment with how they did it).

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You can choose to believe this or not... But I had a conversation this afternoon with someone who would know about how the ending of this AR went down -- and they assured me that R/A were not given any monetary or other incentives (other than being given the spot in the first place), and that the show had absolutely nothing to do with the airplane waiting for anyone -- at any point during the game. As that person told me, if R/A had gotten on that plane alone and had a big lead, the producers would absolutely have let that happen -- they just would have added the suspense in the editing to make it look close. This person was ADAMANT that CBS or the producers do not screw with the game in that way.

In any case, I'm not usually one to post this type of stuff (at all, or without giving a source), but I do believe this person. I'm sorry if this seems disingenous on my part.

Mak1
Member

08-12-2002

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Yankee. I'm glad to hear the truth.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Yankee, you just confirmed what I've been saying/thinking. There's no need to manipulate the race when they have consistently created drama through editing. As I said before, even at the end they made R/A look like they drove up BEFORE U/J had run inside.

I appreciate your posting.

Chewpito
Member

01-04-2004

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i love big brother, cant wait till it starts, but- i too, hope and pray that rob and amber are not on that reality show....that show is a "for sure way" to mess up someones reputation...and usually not in a good way...i sure hope they are smarter then that..........but, i love big brother...

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yankee, I think you are right. After the big quiz show scandals in the 50's where people were fed the answers to questions, there are government regulations that TV shows have to abide by. I've read repeatedly that the prizes for finishing first in a leg are determined ahead of time. I do think they should make it so there is a prize for every leg, though. It didn't seem fair that Joyce didn't win anything for shaving her head--but now they have $1 million!

I think the talk about BB was started on this thread, as in "Wouldn't it be a hoot if Rob was on BB?" I haven't read anywhere else that that is true, and I don't know why they would want to do that anyway. The prize is only $500k for 3-4 months of your life. I just can't see that they would want to do that. They can probably make more than that in personal appearance fees or product endorsements.

As much as I loved Rob and Amber on TAR, I like BB with total strangers. It's fun getting to know them and see how they interact with each other.

Hootyhoot
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12-18-2001

Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 8:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Then I heard that Rob and Amber are going to be on the next American Idol! They're going to replace Paula.