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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:46 am
I cant stand these two. They are mean spirited.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:49 am
I didn't think their comment was racist at all. I am getting tired of hearing Lynn's voice though.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:51 am
I don't see them as mean spirited. I hope they go far in this race.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:10 pm
I don’t see their comments as seriously mean spirited. I suppose that their comment about Uchenna and Joyce could be construed as racist, but it was obvious that U/J also felt that they had superior ability in that area. They use the B word a lot but I think that is more conversational than nasty. They seem to treat each other very well and they are strong competitors. I guess I find their comments a little mean spirited but not enough to get excited about. I do wish they wouldn’t focus so much on beating Rob and Amber. I like Rob and Amber but Lynn and Alex give them too much emphasis. We see a lot of Rob and Amber and then Lynn and Alex spend time talking about them as well. Overall I find them entertaining (but then I find Rob and Amber entertaining!). Having said that, I'd rather not see Lynn and Alex win the race.
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Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:20 pm
Though I don't think they're racist, I also don't think they have much personality. They seem really dull to me--confirming stereotypes about West Hollywood gay couples. Just blah. Then again, Amber has no personality to speak of, either. That team is all Rob.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:28 pm
I like these guys! I think they're catty, not mean-spirited.
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Kimmykm
Member
08-26-2003
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:53 pm
Scorpio, I agree. They are catty, especially Lynn and I'm loving me some cattiness! I do not see how some people can watch from afar and decide that some people are mean spirited and when other teams exhibit equally questionable behavior, they aren't branded as "mean spirited", just playing the game.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:54 pm
Forget about comments on your own race, U was talking about himself and HIS family heritage and that is totally different than making broad statements on a group of people - in other words that is not stereotyping or racist when you are talking about YOURSELF. I see no reason to give kudos to Lynn just because he supported Alex in a nice way - it in no way negates their actions - It doesn't matter if you call it racist or not, its plain old stereotyping and they consistently stereotype people and places - and its when you stereotype something that it leads to things like racism and hatred later on - maybe not by Lynn and Alex (they may never act in a racist manner) but we cannot let simple comments like that pass because that is telling others that its ok to make those assumptions. And this has nothing to do with being PC - I hate every nature of being PC but I also hate everything about stereotyping someone - and people have to be called on their actions - and too often Lynn and Alex make comments such as U and J were born to do this, or being in Compton, or that Meredith and Gretchen are too stupid, that just cross the line big time for me.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 1:13 pm
I agree that the Compton and Tupac comments were stereotypical in nature and not really appropriate, but I still don't see the "born" comment as stereotypical. Stereotypical statements are pretty precise and focused, as I saw the Tupac one to mean the person he was walking upto was maybe dressed in the "gangsta" style as Tupac is known to wear, and the Compton remark led me to think that Lynn felt he was in a rough neighborhood, based on the reputation that Compton has had in the past. Not much room for interpretation in those comments... I think the "born to do" comment could be taken different ways, based on the opinions and beliefs of the listener. To me it didn't say that just because Uchenna was black he was predisposed to hard labor... to me it said because he was tall, strong and muscular he was born to be good at labor intensive tasks. Like someone said earlier...someone who has developed a good voice would be considered to have been "born to be" a good singer....
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 1:17 pm
I'm with Prisoner. People say that other people are born to do something, if they do something well, all the time.
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Prisonerno6
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 2:31 pm
I'm just wondering why Rob's comments are "tongue-in-cheek" but Lynn and Alex's are mean spirited...
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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 2:57 pm
Rob's comments are directed at the personality or actions of an individual person while Lynn's and Alex's comments are made out of ignorance of a race or culture (and I am not just talking about African Americans or Africa).
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Bastable
Member
07-09-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 3:05 pm
Hm. I wonder how it was arrived upon that L&A are ignorant (and that R&A aren't). Seems to me that conclusions and judgments are being reached awfully quickly here.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 3:23 pm
I haven't heard Rob make ignorant statements on this show, but he certainly was the king of ignorant or intolerant statements on Survivor. Lynn, being a bit older, I would have hoped he wouldn't be dropping the "just like Compton" stuff and labelling people because they are older as stupid. Or, for that matter to start saying he "hates" someone when he's only just met them. Legal.. I didn't mean to say that one aspect of this couple made up for another.. just that no one is all good or all bad, for the most part and I respect how they care for each other. I also think they are entertaining and funny, or have that potential. And to be honest, I think I came into the season ready to continue my opinion of R/A from Survivor and that wasn't high, but they won me over. I came into the season predisposed to like Lynn and Alex, but I'm not finding Lynn very likeable. I'd like to pair Alex with Meredith and cheer for them to win. Of course I think opinions are all over the board, in that some are just as anti R/A and sometimes it seems like that makes all other teams wonderful.. Quickly is relative.. the season lasts only so long, so opinions are formed (and sometimes change, too) sooner than later.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 6:05 pm
Hm. I wonder how it was arrived upon that L&A are ignorant (and that R&A aren't). Seems to me that conclusions and judgments are being reached awfully quickly here. I agree with you Bastable. Looks Like Rob gets kinda mean next week...
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 7:34 pm
You know I just thought that I should speak up on behalf of goats everywhere. I'm sure that I actually heard Lynn refer to one using the "B" word. I was deeply offended on their behalf and I just hope that Lynn comes to his senses. 
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Gen
Member
08-22-2003
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 8:07 pm
Jimmer, you should be offended for the goats being called the B word. I believe that female goats are actually called nannies!  
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:21 pm
My friends who raised goats called them buck and does (neutered bucks are called wethers). Yeah, they must have been mortified to be likened to a female of the canine species.. Not to mention Rob and Amber calling those does "he" and "big boy". Looked like Rob got kinda frustrated to me.
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Penpoint
Member
03-27-2001
| Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:27 pm
I wonder if there has ever been a reality show with a black person in the cast when this board didn't erupt into a long discussion of the alleged racism that was exhibited by some offhand comment that a white person made. Reading through the above discussion has been a real deja vu experience. Obviously these discussions have not been read by potential reality show cast members, or they would know they should never make any comment whatsoever--good, bad, or indifferent--about anyone of another race. It will be interpreted by someone as being racist.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 4:17 am
Seems that way sometimes Pen... I was thinking last night as I FINALLY got to watch my tape (all that thinking set off the smoke alarm .) Anyways... I really believe that had Lynn made the "born to..." comment directly to Uchenna, Uchenna would not have been offended in the slightest. I think Uchenna would have laughed and agreed with Lynn and maybe even teased Lynn a tad. After seeing the recaps show, which showed a lighter side of a lot of the contestants, I think Uchenna is a fun loving easy going person who isn't quick to take offense at off hand remarks. If Uchenna wouldn't have taken the remark as racist, why are so many on here?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 5:44 am
I agree. I also don't understand why people here do that.
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Spygirl
Moderator
04-23-2001
| Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 6:00 am
If I understand, then it is okay for you all to assume that Uchenna wouldn't be offended, but it is not okay for us to actually feel it was inappropriate? That seems a bit double standard to me.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 6:16 am
Yep, we can't be insulted if they aren't! LOL
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Spygirl
Moderator
04-23-2001
| Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 6:45 am
Ahhhhh, I see, Annie! lol So, maybe we should suspend most of the threads here until we get word from each person in question. We wouldn't even need discussions anymore - just reports! Why confuse things with our own thoughts? 
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 6:57 am
I'm not saying you can't feel offended. I just don't understand why you would be. I also don't understand the need to make fun or ridicule opposing opinions.
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