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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:25 pm
no, he did grab at some kids who did not look like willing participants. and tish, i don't think many 8-day-old jewish males will be making this trip so the briss (or bris) is probably out....
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:25 pm
Cliotheleo, I think what sounded like "lock down" was actually the name of the town they were in, Lucknow. I was initially disgusted with Kelly's comment in the previews, but now I have a feeling it was just something that came out of her mouth before she realized how stupid it was. She was trying to win an argument about him not committing to anything and grasped at the wrong straw. Her brain was probably thinking "Yeah, the one thing he was committed to is over now." Instead it came out like he intentionally became a POW to get out of the military. It was still a really foolish thing to say, and no doubt they'll be plenty of people to let her know if she doesn't already realize it.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:33 pm
I realize that tabby. But rabbis can perform a bris on adults too [I have a friend who converted and had to have one as an adult], so let the games begin! Woohoo!
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:41 pm
Tabby, I watched the grab and I have my opinion. And anyway that stands alone, as does Gretchen's braying at all and sundry for the whole Elephant route. Again my opinion. Maybe Kelly and Gretchen should both take vows of silence then. That isn't the first ugliness to emerge from Kelly's mouth, directed at Ron.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:42 pm
Oh and now I know why long ago a friend who was working on a contract in Saudi Arabia loved going to the camel races.. it would be a riot to watch, just not while you were in a race..
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Egbok
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:53 pm
I just had to say that I was disgusted with Kelly's comment to Ron about being a POW.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 11:17 pm
Yes, now that I've watched the show, I'll be surprised if it comes off with a different spin next week.. heck even if she was joking, it just wasn't right.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 11:18 pm
sea, i watched the grab and i have my opinion, too! we just see rob in different ways. i didn't hear kelly's comment, so have to rewatch my tape. i was making dd a late dinner during that time. what an awful thing to say!
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Merrysea
Member
08-13-2004
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 11:32 pm
I agree, Tabby, it was pretty bad the way Rob was grabbing those poor boys. And his comment about Indian labor was extremely racist. What would people be saying if he had used a similar line in Africa?
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 11:44 pm
i know if someone else had made the comment about Indian labor, people would have jumped all over it. to me, it sounded as bad as some of the other comments made by teams in underdeveloped nations. i was really proud of joyce for cutting her hair off! her husband was so loving and complimentary about it. the hard part about shaving your head is that you never know what shaped head you will be showing! some people have lumps and bumps and others have beautiful heads. joyce looks phenomenal even bald! i'd probably look like a peach gone bad LOL
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:07 am
Tabby well, rob didn't say 'excuse me, but can you help us?' or 'please help us"....he just yelled and grabbed people. Oh ho...don't even get me started about Rob. Seakmonkey wrote: I think the person he grabbed was moving toward him at the time.. it isn't like he yanked him as an unwilling participant. It sure looked like he did grab someone who wasn't a willing participant. Just the fact that he grabbed someone and pushed them toward the elephant and told them to push was unsettling to watch. Amber wasn't exactly putting a lot of effort into pushing. Why didn't he encourage her to get the lead out instead of grabbing children? And that comment he made about how hard it was too organize Indian labor was freaking rude and horrible. How quickly Rob has forgotten he was a nobody laborer only a short time ago. How dare he be so flippant.
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R151996
Member
07-04-2003
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 3:49 am
I took Rob's "Indian labor" comment totally as a joke...it was absolutely NOT racist. The reason that many comments that Rob makes aren't criticized more is that he almost always makes them with a smile. There's a big difference between that and making the same comment when one even looks like they might be serious...style of delivery makes all the difference. Kelly's POW comment was inexcusable...period.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 4:05 am
I agree R151. Rob organized labor in his previous job; he was a construction foreman. He was being playful. He would have said the same thing in any country. The people were fascinated with the cameras and drama; I bet that kid, he grabbed, loved being a part of it. Joyce cut off an expensive hair do! Her hair was full of woven braids. I think Uchenna was as freaked as she was until he saw her beautifully shaped head! You could see his horror at having a bald wife there for a minute. Braying is the perfect word to use for Gretchen's running commentary. Loved when Meredith raised his voice to her, ONCE, and she took umbrage.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 4:19 am
I was totally appalled by Kelly's POW comment in relation to Ron's committment abilities... but then a friend pointed out that she was probably referring to the fact that POW's are given the option of getting out of their Militiary service time early, and maybe Ron took advantage of the clause and opted out before his time was up. I still think Kelly's comment was stupid and hurtful, but I after listening to my friend and thinking about it, maybe she didn't mean to suggest that Ron became a POW on purpose. (which is what it sounded like to me initially) I'm not appalled by Rob's boorish behavior... that's just the real Rob showing through and its not like he hasn't exhibited that kind of behavior before...why is anyone surprised? Did anyone actually expect better from Rob? I know I didn't....Some would say that's just his "sense of humor"...I say that's just his character... either way I don't think he could help being what and who he is... But in the end, its not Kelly's stupid remark or Rob's condesending attitude that stands out the most for me in last nights show... it was the love that just about flowed out of my screen onto my living room floor when Joyce got her hair cut, and Uchenna gently held her and told her how brave and beautiful she was through the whole ordeal... OMG...now THAT'S GOOD TV.... I want these two to win so bad...Joyce has SO earned it...
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Ginger1218
Member
08-31-2001
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 4:24 am
I really like Uchenna and Joyce, I was impressed at her last night. They are a real class act.
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Padivius
Member
08-21-2003
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 4:41 am
I think it's kind of interesting that all of us (even myself) are so quick to defend the teams we like and make excuses for their actions and equally quick to bash the teams we don't like. DISCLAIMER For the sanctity of all TVCHers, I'd like te remind the viewing audience that these are only opinions of people we don't really know based on a one-hour-a-week television program. END DISCLAIMER
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 5:04 am
I fell so in love with Uchenna last night when he was so loving and gentle with Joyce during and after the haircut!!! Gretchen doesn't bother me. She is a 'narrator', someone who constantly narrates what they are doing. I wouldn't be surprised if she had been a preschool teacher or worked with small children and just got in the habit of always narrating what she was doing. And YEAH the boys are gone!!!! I did think they were amusing in their snarkiness, but a little goes a long way. I have always wondered about people who find it necessary to use 'their biting wit' as a way to make themselves look better. Plus their obsession with R/A was just exhausting to watch.
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Justalittlebean
Member
08-15-2003
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 5:07 am
When I heard Kelly say that to Ron, I thought she was talking about him taking an early out from the military. As always with editing, we didn't hear the rest of the conversation. Here's what Ron is doing now: http://premierespeakers.com/3134/index.cfm
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 5:23 am
I don't know why she was so upset cutting her hair since most of it was not hers anyway. She looks beautiful bald!!!
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:09 am
Both Uchenna and Joyce should be black and blue - figuratively speaking, of course, - from all the hugs I was giving them during and after the hair cutting! Such a loving and supportive guy he is!! My bet is that Amber would have totally had her head shaved. There are lots of good wigs out there -
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Tashakinz
Member
11-13-2002
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:28 am
Did I miss something? Why is everyone assuming that Joyce's hair was purchased instead of grown? I have a friend who locked her hair about 4 years ago and it's about the same length (maybe a little longer)as Joyce's was. I've known people who've been braided for years - they have to spend practically the entire day at the salon 3 to 4 times a year to keep it up. I give total props to Joyce for having the intestinal fortitude to go through with it! I don't know if I would have had the nerve.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:34 am
I admire Joyce’s determination and courage and Uchenna’s support for her. But before we award her a medal, let’s put this into perspective. It’s hair – it’s not like she had a leg amputated! It will grow back. She is a healthy woman. People are so shallow about appearance being the most important thing in life. So what Joyce did was impressive – for a competition. And, I agree that she looks great bald anyway. She has a lovely shaped head. And she seems like a super person. Being bald doesn't change that one way or another. I didn’t find Rob’s comment about Indian labor racist but as soon as I heard it I knew that some people would be all over him for it. He was joking and it was nothing particular to do with Indian people – he probably would have said the same thing if he was in Switzerland.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:39 am
You should have heard Lou Dobbs this week about Indian workers and all the stolen identity thefts!!! I thought Joyce was a real trooper, I think what was so admirable is that she just didnt hesitate, no turning back lets do it. Joyce and Uchenna and Rob and Amber to me are the most together couples I have seen since Chip and Kim. They go with the flow and try to keep everything in perspective, no nastiness that I can see.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:43 am
I agree that Rob's comment was funny-NOT racist. I also think he was rude for grabbing the kids and pushing them over to push the elephant. I thought Kelly was very sweet when she was pleeing with the locals to help Meredith. So she was sweet til they showed the previews! <QT><Gretchen> cannot help how her voice sounds. And to me she is only yelling--not necessarily being mean or degrading to Meredith. I give M&G lots of kudos for making it this far. I don't think they will be able to pass any of the other teams, so I think they will be the next to go. They did great though!
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:44 am
Were the boys on the Early Show?
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