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Merrysea
Member
08-13-2004
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 8:38 am
We don't really know that the brothers were careless. Ron said that he had an advantage knowing how to drive on the sand, and the brothers had mentioned that the road was slippery. Maybe they just hit a particularly bad spot and slid into a ditch that made the top-heavy vehicle turn over. Also, we don't know how long they were there or what help they gave the cameraman - maybe when they were shown standing around, it was because they had already done everything they could. I also agree with everything you said, Prisoner! While I wouldn't stop for a random accident if help was already there, I would if it was someone I knew! I had never seen Rob and Amber before, but Rob's attitude from the beginning has really turned me off! I'm sure there's a lot that we haven't seen that has contributed to the way other teams feel about them!
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 8:56 am
I think whatever a team brings into a race is okay. This isn't about "level playing fields". Charla and Mirna spoke some Arabic; should they have been banned from the season where this would be an advantage? Charla also talked some of their helpers (tsk! taking advantage of her short stature) into refusing to help other teams. Rob isn't the first and won't be the last to use whatever advantage comes their way. As for ragging on Lynn and Alex.. well I'm ragging on Lynn's constant whining ABOUT Romber. Of course he could do what he did, just as anyone else could but it is a bit hypocritical since he has been so incensed when Rob does something but okay for Lynn to do the same.. my mother always taught us that you have to be better than the other or that a second wrong wasn't justified .. what I'm saying is when someone is vocally up in arms about certain actions and then leap to do the same, that's a wee bit hypocritical. And I started this race happily hating Romber and that they existed on TAR, while I was equally happy to support and cheer on this cute gay couple and I was almost immediately won over to Romber's side (while understanding that others won't ever be.. that's the beauty of having my own opinion) and I held onto liking Lynn longer but he's completely lost me now. I think I'll change my name from Lynn to Romber.. Oh that thing with the backpacks was a KILLER! I think it was just the luck of the draw that the two teams bought their tickets from a stickler. And then for Uchenna and Joyce to have to wait so much longer.. Yes indeed it must be much harder to drive on the right side of the car with the stick in the opposite configuration and I'd be tempted to find a driving school that had such a vehicle.. I have to think there is training for people who are relocating. But still even practicing enough so that you are more trained to use the clutch would be a good idea. There have been entire teams who simply cannot drive a stick and that is real drag on them. It doesn't take long if you are motivated. I had to quickly learn to drive a five speed at age 33 when I bought a truck.. in fact I bought it and was having them put on different mirrors and a back bumper and they freaked when I planned to leave it there for the work.. turns out you legally have to "take possession".. well I'd had only one "lesson". My boyfriend was such a sweetie that he let me drive his truck lurchingly home and he drove mine so I wouldn't trash the gears Csnog.. yes Gretchen apparently had enough money but I'm wondering just how much money she had? I'm with Wilson in simply hating the whole take their money and make them beg thing.. whether from other racers or non racers.. I think Amber was pretty tired, she seemed that way last night, but I do think she stated she'd let Rob make the decisions, back in the first or second episode.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 9:05 am
i missed a few minutes in the second part - did gretchen buy things in that ep too? because the market scene for the kids was before all their money was taken away...
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Justalittlebean
Member
08-15-2003
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 9:09 am
I don't think that editing is all to blame for what comes out of Rob's mouth. He did say something about how do we know that Meredith didn't push Gretchen down just for a sympathy vote. Do you really think that Rob would have let Lyn & Alex in the bus or cab with him, if he had a choice? Rob just got beat at his own game. This is someone who got the idea to pay a bus driver not to open the back door of the bus to keep the other teams behind them. I think it's funny that someone is finally out smarting Rob. I did notice that Amber can't make a decision. They both seem down when they aren't winning. I wish someone would have ask Deana what happen to her face last night. Her lip looked busted, her eyes looked swollen and I noticed a bruise on her face. I can't believe she's going to marry Ray. I really feel sorry for her. 
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 9:10 am
Thanks so much, Legal.. that makes sense.. I have the whole two hours mushed together in my head. And I didn't even fall and crack mine like Gretchen did. Native, I think Lynn is the one with the most animosity toward Rob.. at least he's the one who speaks out the most and last night when Amber was starting her shopping, Alex was waiting for Lynn (Lynn is the older of the two, with the lighter colored hair) and Alex wished Amber "good luck" and she thanked him.. I'm not saying Alex loves Rob and Amber but Lynn seems to be the really huffy one about them. Well he didn't like Ray either..
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 9:55 am
Brian and Greg aren't twins.. they are three years apart.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 10:05 am
Why are they all carrying such large backpacks? I would be packing much lighter than any of them. Amber alone seems to have three pairs of pants and at least two long sleeved windbreker/athletic jacket type shirts - one red, one blue. She has two hats - a red boston ball cap and the kaki colored "birding cap" with a brim all the way around. (Like what bird watchers wear.) Funny how Uch and Joyce were praised by some on the race for being so generous - but really it was a great way to lighten their load. I'm not saying they aren't good people - but getting rid of some weight is a strategic thing. If I was Rob, I'd be "donating" Amber clothes any chance I got. When I backpack on multi night trips I keep my pack under 35 lbs and I'm carrying my share of the tent, cooking gear, cooking fuel, food and one day of water. I think all of that is expendable in this race. I honestly think I could get away with a 20 lb (or less) pack on this race, and some of those easily look over 40 lbs. So far, Meredith and Gretchen have had the advantage in not having their packs. No bags to check, no bags to lose. They may stink, but they are still in the race.
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Marysafan
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 10:13 am
Hubby says that if he ever goes on this race, he is wearing two pair of underwear everyday. He doesn't want to take any chances should they take away his backpack. There's a lot of things he can do without, but he must have at least two pair of undies.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 10:18 am
I think they will get their packs back next week. And the packs also carry necessities, meds, sunglasses, hiking lights, and remember they can go from extreme heat to a glacier so they do need more than one or two items to wear, I'd think. Again.. the day they bribed the bus driver to keep the doors closed another team claimed that as their idea, they just had Rob do the talking. So Rob isn't alone in plotting. His comment on Gretchen's fall was clearly tongue in cheek. Ray, on the Early show said his comments were joking to and that he loves Meredith and Gretchen, just wasn't going to give them any "senior discounts".
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 10:19 am
LOL, Mary!!
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Marysafan
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 10:22 am
Sea, I could be wrong...but I thought I heard Phil say that they would have to do without their backpacks for the rest of the race. I know that when they got to Calgary in the last race, they all got winter gear (including those goofy looking but terribly endearing red Maple Leaf hats). So I am thinking that perhaps they are told they don't have to carry winter gear. If they do go to a winter climate, proper clothing will be provided. I am not 100% certain of that...but it sure seemed that way last time.
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Shawndra
Member
03-29-2005
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 10:30 am
undies? LOL i have a feeling your hubby might get a chuckle out of that. LOL i have a feeling rob would be proud of any or all critisim. i was very prepared to cheer rob and amber on to losing the very first leg of the race. but when they couldn't even get the trunk door open and didn't panic but just laughed about being in last place and finding something to eat. instead joking it should be a good way to lose some weight. they had me at that point. i'm very entertained by robs camera interviews one on one.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:00 am
I remember a previous Tar where one team ditched some stuff from their packs to make them lighter. Can't remember who though. But I agree that traveling lighter should be an advantage. I'm thinking they probably won't get them back till they lose or the race is over.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:02 am
The camera/sound man may ask Lynn " What do you think about Rob?" Lynn answers "I hate Rob, he should not be in this race but I respect him for how he is playing the game" AR shows us only the first part of his answer. They can ask misleading questions all the time.
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Happygal
Member
11-15-2004
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:03 am
I'm not sure if it has been discussed above, but Amber seemed quite weak and tired last night. Since there was talk before the season started about "Amberexic" and the fact that she hardly ate during the filming of the show, I guess it's not surprising. She certainly looked sick last night and if they have some hard physical challenges coming up next week or two, I think Rob and Amber will be gone.
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Hobbs
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:24 am
I am a Rob fan. But I have to agree with Justalittlebean that there is no way Rob would have let Lynn and Alex in his van. At least he would have fought tooth and nail.
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:34 am
Classic TAR last night, we even got a FF. I still wish it a was a regular part of the Race - made things much more exciting. I loved many of the tasks last night. Favorites were the Tunnels & Tribes Detour, crossing the cooling tower bridge FF, the trip to the orphanage to deliver the items from the Roadblock, and feeding the lions at the Rhino and Lion Nature Reserve (almost as good as TAR1's walk through the tiger pit - but the best is still TAR4's feeding the orangutans FF). I was really glad to hear Phil say the camera man was okay and I was also impressed by Gretchen. Meredith seemed more shaken up by her accident than she was. And yea to Uchenna & Joyce for giving them each a clean set of clothes. I even smiled at Rob & Amber stepping onto the mat with the woman who helped them (But I'll skip my other comments about that team, lol. It's probably hard to believe that I was briefly sympathetic to Rob on his first Survivor stint.). And yeah, past teams have given away or sent on ahead extra stuff from their packs to lighten the load as they got near the end of the Race. And I could be wrong but I thought there were penalities for speeding in past TARs. They could have changed that too though. My favorite teams so far are Uchenna & Joyce and Brian & Greg (despite the crash).
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:47 am
They kept showing those two seats like there really was room in the van, but we all know that they have to have room for Rob and Amber and their two men camera crew. There were already 5 people in the van. Rob and Amber wouldn't have let Lynn and Alex in if they were in the cab. Rob can dish it out, but he can't take it when it comes back in his face.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:47 am
I think the speeding penalties were in specific countries with specific laws and there was one leg on a race where they weren't allowed to drive after dark so time was of the essence in getting past that part of the leg. Wow.. well that sucks to be without a pack the whole time but there may well be quite a few times when they are happy to have only the sack. And of course if the accumulate some extra money they could buy inexpensive packs if they were available.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:49 am
Rob can take it, just like the others, and just like the others he still can complain.. I don't see a huge difference. He just smiles when he complains instead of letting his blood pressure elevate and whining.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:51 am
Csnog, well we will find out how Lynn really feels when he's interviewed, but I'm betting he'll be saying nothing good about Rob.. time will tell.. and maybe Lynn and Alex will be in the next interview! I'd like to see Meredith and Gretchen hang on at least past another team, even though I'm not crazy about her.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 12:00 pm
Rob can take it, just like the others, and just like the others he still can complain.. I don't see a huge difference. He just smiles when he complains instead of letting his blood pressure elevate and whining. ITA, Sea!!!
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 12:05 pm
quote:Curlyq, 03/29 11:27 pm: Granted I have skipped a couple of episodes this season, so I'm having trouble understanding this scramble to justify Rob and Amber's attitude. Did they pull a puppy from a burning building in one of the episodes I missed?
Curlyq: I forgot to thank you for this comment. It really made me laugh.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 12:08 pm
Oh I know sea, I was just saying that some of them might be edited, after all we (the audience) spend the entire day discussing who said what about who. AR wants us to love/hate teams.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 12:18 pm
I think there was room in that van cab for Rob and Amber. It was a three bench van. If they can fit one team into a cab, they can fit two into a van. Still, it was Lynn and Alex's perogative to not let Romber on board since it was a cab and not a bus. I think the cabbie stopped because he wanted the extra fair. If Lynn had let Romber and crew on, you know for sure Rob would have called him a chump for giving up an advantage. Still, Lynn did it in a very rude way - which is not smart and is only increasing the animosity. All he had to say was "No way Rob - this is a race - Alex and me need every advantage we can get - good luck and see you soon." Or some such thing. Instead he used a clearly lame lie and was rude about how he stated it. I've seen Lynn be rude repeatedly and not seen the same from Rob. That may be editing, but I don't think so. Rob lives his life on charm. He even made fun of himself afterward for getting so p.o.'d toward Lynn and Alex. Even on his bad days he seems to keep things in much better perspective than Lynn.
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