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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 9:09 pm
yea! Hermione posted!! Did anyone catch Lou Ferignoe (sp? Hulk actor) on late night? He is a deaf actor - just one more point of reference for the voice - Marlee Maitlin doesnt like to voice - she can, but her main form of communication is sign -
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 2:10 am
Sorry, I was wrong, I didn't see Mel and Mike on Bonnie's schedule this week, hopefully next. The article may have taken things out of context, or just have been wrong.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 4:11 am
Herm, may I ask why the rudness is considered ok in the deaf community? i am not trying to be combative at all, i am just really curious.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 4:36 am
I guess I didn't explain as well as I thought I did. Deaf people don't consider their behavior or communication style rude. They don't believe rudeness is okay, it's just what is rude to them is often different from what is rude to hearing people. Rudeness is subjective after all, often according to cultural norms. A deaf person's behavior is often only rude from a hearing person's standpoint. It's like doing the "V" sign in a country where that is tantamount to being flipped off. You don't mean anything by it except "peace" or "victory," but the other culture is shocked. The deaf community's culture is different from the hearing community's.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 5:04 am
ok..got it! thanks! (but seriously, it doesn't hurt your feelings if they called you fat???? LOL)
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 5:29 am
OMG, I would hate it! Mercifully that is just the example my ASL teacher used to describe the typical bluntness/honesty/forthrightness (pick your word!) in the deaf community and it's never actually happened. And they wouldn't do it to strangers. Just each other and people they know.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 5:58 am
LOL. thanks for answering and not feeling like i was attacking you or anything!
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 6:07 am
Contrary to popular opinion, my bark is much worse than my bite. 
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 6:30 am

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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 6:48 am
Correct me if I'm wrong but my best guess is that their method of communication causes deaf people to appear both more expressive and abrupt. This may give people who aren't familiar with it the impression that they are being rude. They aren't being rude or abrupt – they are just being concise.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 7:33 am
We have to remember that to us who are hearing, much of our communication is based on nuances of voice epression, in other words how something is said, as much as the words that are actually said. Deaf people do not have the luxury of voice expression. They have only words, and facial and bodily expressions. And as extensive as the sign language might be, it does not have the wide range of synonyms that the spoken language does, giving us the leeway to soften our language so it does not come across so blunt. I do not think Luke's behavior toward his mother is any worse than what we might see from any young man racing with his Mom. Kids are often impatient with their parents, that is just part of the parent/child relationship. We have also seen the reverse in other seasons. Don't remember their names, but the Asian father and Daughter couple. Took almost the whole race before he showed his daughter any respect.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 8:06 am
Jimmer you are wrong. LMAO...not really...I just never get to say that. Back on subject: I totally get what Hermie is saying...and I haven't found him rude when I watch.
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 8:55 am
Thanks, Hermione69 and Reader234, for sharing your insights. As for the point about rudeness - it reminds me of how in some cultures, they may have very different ideas than we do about respecting personal space. What we in North America might consider to be overly intimate contact between strangers wouldn't necessarily seem that way to someone from elsewhere. We might call their behavior rude but it isn't to them. The deaf community has their own culture and how they communicate is understandably different than how hearing people do. Just as TAR shows us a little about other countries' cultures, having Luke on the Race shares something of deaf culture with the audience. And anyway, openly critical comments aren't limited to the deaf community - if by some chance you wondered what my one great aunt thought about your appearance, trust me, she'd tell to your face and she didn't need to be prompted. She was lucky American culture frowns on smacking old ladies even if they just insulted you. If she'd lived in another time, another place, she might have had to duel or who knows what after ticking someone off with her remarks. P.S. Cultural difference or not, I still object to forcing elephants to perform or eating baby octopuses who are still alive despite being cut up. So I'm not that tolerant, I guess.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 9:22 am
Back on topic, it seems like the Race is just flying by!
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 10:09 am
And as extensive as the sign language might be, it does not have the wide range of synonyms that the spoken language does, giving us the leeway to soften our language so it does not come across so blunt. just sneaking in for a minor correction - others can speak for ASL which i think is what is being referenced and thus may make the statement correct but i would never say sign language in general does not have the wide range of synonyms - signed english and fingerspelling allows a person to use any vocabulary word desired (i say this as a person who takes the "word" just as seriously as the "meaning") ok back to lurking
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 11:46 am
My favorite example of cultural differences is one I used that got the point across to SOC 101 students. If we hold our hand up, palm facing the other person, fingers pointing straight up, we mean STOP! In many African cultures, that gesture means literally, "you have five fathers." Translation, even your mother doesn't know who your father is. That could cause you some serious hurt if you try to tell the wrong person to stop.... 
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 1:26 pm
Our circle of thumb and forefinger to indicate "okay" means a word starting with "a" and rhyming with "bass hole" in many Latin countries. Also in Latin counties the height of a person is never indicated with the palm horizontal to the ground. The side of the hand is held horizontal to the ground.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 3:36 pm
Roxip, I agree, it's going so fast. It would be great to have another one begin when this one ends.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Friday, April 03, 2009 - 6:40 pm
tnt - same in the asl language I believe!! Jimmer - I want to add - literal - we spend a lot of time teaching the deaf kids idioms - frog in my throat, piece of cake.... etc it really woosh goes over their heads... and you have no idea how often it comes up (oh, lol, "my heart is all a flutter") Unfortunately these are also what gets my hoh son in trouble - kids can be cruel - and young adults love to laugh, and you just dont know its an idiom - until someone asks "what"? so its in right in the middle of Hermione and Legal's comments!!
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, April 03, 2009 - 7:23 pm
After nine years of working with HS exchange students and other years of working with special ed students, I only begin to understand the difficulties - That is a pretty ugly cut - HUH?? They wound the bandage around the wound. Say WHAT?
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Friday, April 03, 2009 - 9:44 pm
I still remember the look of horror on an international student's face when she needed a ride to Kmart and another student offered to "run her over."
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Saturday, April 04, 2009 - 10:07 am
I may be late to this conversation, but I think that some of the posters who earlier thought Luke was "whiny" may have been mislead by his lack of spoken language. He doesn't speak as clearly as a hearing person, supplementing his spoken words with grunts and sounds of frustration. I could see how someone might misinterpret those sounds as being "immature," but I certainly did not. I think Luke and his mom are doing an amazing job on the race. I did understand her frustration in the rickshaw, though, when he was holding the front part too high and she was almost tipping out the back. She wasn't able to get his attention since he couldn't hear her. That's why she chose to pull the rickshaw herself and got so dehydrated. Just goes to show how important drinking water is. I always worry when they're in hot climates if they get enough water. Hermi, I'm glad you're back. Your input is very important to us here. I've learned a lot from you. Thanks!!! 
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Nessietessie
Member
02-03-2007
| Saturday, April 04, 2009 - 12:11 pm
Our circle of thumb and forefinger to indicate "okay" means a word starting with "a" and rhyming with "bass hole" in many Latin countries. My dear husb and I were stuck in a glass elevator in Caracas, Venezuela. Security looked up at us and indicated help was on the way. My husb did the circle of thumb and forefinger meaning o.k., but later found out it meant *** ****. It's a good thing we still aren't stuck in that elevator. Does anyone know how many more weeks we have of the race?
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, April 04, 2009 - 3:02 pm
LOL! Not nearly as many as I would like for there to be!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 1:19 pm
Five shows left, apparently, which must(???) mean two more non-elimination legs. Shows are weekly non-stop with finale on May 10th. It's really rushed by this season.
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