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Jooleechenlvr
Member
04-21-2004
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 6:18 pm
And I hope the u-turn comes back and bites <Luke<100>> and moma in the rear.. They wanted to help the redheads.. They shouldnt try to help anyone but themselves.. They deserve for the redheads to beat them now.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 6:27 pm
At least the team they u-turned is not still in the race to exact vengence! Wonder why the stunt brothers were so low on cash? They are really dreadful at finding things/places. Hope that doesn't come back to bite them!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 6:50 pm
I disliked this episode and that is a first for the Amazing Race for me. I hated Amanda & Kris getting U-turned. Yes it is part of the game so I can't hold it against Luke & Margie for doing it and it may have been a good strategic move on their part eliminating a strong team. However, it was very poor of the show to set-up a U-turn where a team has absolutely no chance of recovering. All it did was eliminate a competitive and nice team. I want to see nice competitive teams like that compete - not get eliminated through this sort of stuff.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 7:19 pm
But if they set things up before the teams actually start the leg, there's no way the producers would know the team that was u-turned wouldn't be able to recover. The u-turn is part of the game, whether we like it or not. As far as M/L helping out J/K, why not? That's the team that seems to be most willing to communicate with Luke, and I can see how he'd want to help them. They've been helping each other the last several legs, so why not now?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 7:31 pm
I understand what you are saying but the U-turn is a very harsh penalty. I think it would be better if they put it nearer the beginning of the leg so that the u-turned team would have a longer and better chance to play their way back into the game. For example, if they had put it before the roadblock then at least Amanda & Kris would have known that they had to complete both tasks and played accordingly. It would make for a much more entertaining show. Either that or at least make it a non-elimination leg. Having them complete one task and then find out they were u-turned was pretty brutal. And yes I know that the point is that it is a "U-turn" and it means that the team has to turn around and do the other task. It just makes it so hard to recover. It's much worse than a Yield.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 7:55 pm
I am pretty surprised at how so many teams had never heard of Chekhov. I was truly surprised too, Maris. I've never read any of his works, but it's such a well-known name that it would be hard not to be aware of it.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 8:24 pm
This is pretty early to use the U-turn. Normally teams will use it when there are only a few teams left.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 8:29 pm
By the time we saw three of the letters I had the Russian playwright - what are our kids learning now - if anything!?!
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 8:32 pm
I thought it was early to use the U-turn too. How do they find out that it was Luke?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 8:38 pm
I agree, the u-turn at that point was bad planning. They knew how likely it was that the log task would take a long long time, and if they had thought about it they'd have known that it was very likely a team couldn't recover from a u-turn there. Worst episode production-wise since a few seasons ago when they were bunching people up so much it was pretty much random who was eliminated.
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Kc103
Member
07-13-2004
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 8:50 pm
Are they only gong to have the u-turn this race? Didn't they use to have the yield instead? Or have they had both in the past? I remember the yield where the team would have to stay at the same spot for an hour before they could go on.
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Kellsma
Member
08-28-2002
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 9:03 pm
I liked when they had the Fast Forward at every leg like the firt couple seasons. Then the teams had to be really strategic as to when they were going to use it and you were never sure when another team might try to use it. I miss that and yes, I think this was a tough leg to recover from with a U-Turn but I don't see any problem with it being used. That is what it is for and they did get rid of a very strong team so mission accomplished
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 9:10 pm
I really liked Amanda and her hot hunny, so this was an unhappy episode for me. Luke gets no more love from me. I hate this U turn idea. How have so many people never heard of Chekhov? Well, then again, I ask my students whether they have ever read pieces of American literature I think everyone has read and only like 2 of them have. So I need to temper my shock with the realization that people just don't read
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 9:24 pm
I'd never heard of Chekhov in that context. Hey, there are a lot of countries and a lot of writers/playwrights, not everyone is introduced to every writer. But of course having some familiarity with the language, just from general knowledge, I'd have had a good stab at the likely six letter names, it was going to end in "ov" or "ev" for a start. And of course... Star Trek! I was much more shocked no one jumped at the name just because of that.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 9:49 pm
Tisha.. joining you in shock over lack of "Chekhov-awareness", but.. I'm old and took Comparative Lit, though I read Dostoyevsky in that.. lucky for them they didn't have to remember all those letters. --- I think Yield and Speed Bump is now U-Turn?? I mean, not exactly of course, but something done by one team to another to handicap them. And I guess if A/K had guessed they might be U-Turned (but they didn't know it was happening this leg until they completed part one of the RB.. but had they guessed they might have just finished the stacking. It is really tough. Jim, I do agree, but the producers had no way to know that the team chosen to be U-turned would also have had such a hard time on the first part of the RB. At the time Luke/Margie put the whammy on them, they thought J/C were right behind them and wanted to slow them down. I wasn't happy about how gleeful M/L were about doing it, though. And I agree, helping Cara/Jaime could easily bite them in the butt later. Or if they gloat about it and people find out it was them, someone could choose to UT them in the second UT, just because. == I agree, the stunt bros seem to have some bad instincts at times. They are sort of lucky that they teamed with Mel, who was the only one to SEE that sign! OR, actually since they saved Mark/Michael (possibly) it might bite them if M/M go ahead of them at some point.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 9:49 pm
The Amazing Race XIV 03/08/2009 Leg 3: Romania - Moscow - Siberia
team | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | avg | Road Blocks | FF | UT | E | Christie/Jodi | 10 | 09 | 06 | 01 | | | | | | | | 06.50 | C 2 J 2 | | | | Kisha/Jen | 08 | 07 | 03 | 02 | | | | | | | | 05.00 | K 3 J 1 | | | | Tammy/Victor | 02 | 01 | 08 | 03 | | | | | | | | 03.50 | T 2 V 2 | | | | Margie/Luke | 01 | 04 | 04 | 04 | | | | | | | | 03.25 | M 2 L 2 | | used UT on A/K | | Jaime/Cara | 07 | 06 | 07 | 05 | | | | | | | | 06.25 | J 2 C 2 | | | | Mel/Mike | 04 | 02 | 01 | 06 | | | | | | | | 03.25 | Me 2 Mi 2 | | | | Mark/Michael | 03 | 08 | 05 | 07 | | | | | | | | 05.75 | Ma 2 Mi 2 | | | | Amanda/Kris | 05 | 03 | 02 | 08 | | | | | | | | 04.50 | A 1 K 3 | | U-Turned by M/L | E4 | Brad/Victoria | 06 | 05 | 09 | | | | | | | | | 06.66 | B 0 V 3 | | | E3 | Steve/Linda | 09 | 10 | | | | | | | | | | 09.50 | S 1 L 1 | | | E2 | Preston/Jennifer | 11 | | | | | | | | | | | 11.00 | P 1 J 0 | | | E1 |
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 9:52 pm
As I posted upthread, the others do find out that it was Luke. It was shown in the previews for next week. I sure hope Luke and Margie didn't tell anyone.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 9:52 pm
LOL.. just saw the preview.. there could be some BARE butts to be bitten 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 10:47 pm
I suspect Luke will tell Cara and Jaime how he did it for them and since Kris and Amanda will be off to loser lodge in Thailand, he may feel free to brag on his game play and Margie may feel free to "feel bad for K/A". Clearly it comes out. And of course since all the other teams know THEY didn't do it.. it won't be difficult to figure out. C/J and K/J know they didn't do it, since it wasn't done when they came through. and everyone else knows it had already been done when they passed through, leaving Margie and Luke, who could try to say "not me"...
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Monday, March 09, 2009 - 12:05 am
Good figuring SEA! You are probably correct.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Monday, March 09, 2009 - 12:10 am
I don't think the Yield or U-Turn belong in TAR but I think Amanda/Kris probably deserved to finish last in this leg anyway. They didn't do well in the stacking, they were last to decide to abandon it, and they were last to finish the shutters and get to the U-Turn. It didn't look like they did better than Mark/Michael and Mel/Mike at the Roadblock either.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, March 09, 2009 - 4:25 am
Worst part about this whole thing is that due to karma it will be less likely that Luke will win this race. I could understand why they did it if it was for their benefit but it wasnt, it was for some chicks that I am sure he is smitten with. What great sports A/K were though. They seemed to just accept it and tried their best. If they ever do an AS I hope they get invited back
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Monday, March 09, 2009 - 5:23 am
It is definitely part of the game. It is like a blindside at Tribal Council or using a hidden immunity idol. I don't really like it, though, and can understand the negative reactions to it. But I am still rooting for Margie and Luke.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, March 09, 2009 - 7:40 am
As I mentioned, I can't blame Margie & Luke for using it as it is one of the tools available that players can use as part of a winning strategy. However was it a winning strategy? The main problem with using it is that rightly or wrongly it is perceived by some people as unsporting. That is possibly because it is one of the few parts of the competition where a team can directly have a negative influence on another team. It is like running a super marathon where at one point a team has a chance to trip one of their competitors. The rest of the time the teams are largely independently running a non-contact kind of race. The bad thing about admitting to using it is that it is a bit of a Pandora's box. No one wants to be the first to use it but once it is used all bets are off. The knowledge that Margie & Luke are playing a no holds barred tough type of game will allow other teams to feel more comfortable playing that way against them. People will feel okay about yielding them or u-turning them, knowing that they did it to another team. They will have lost the perception that they are a "nice" team and that could end up hurting them in the long run.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Monday, March 09, 2009 - 7:43 am
I actually agree with you, Jimmer. I was sorry they chose to use it. We'll see how it ends up playing out.
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