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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 5:43 pm
Luke went to college here. I doubt his Mom went with him. I'm sort of baffled by Luke because we have many deaf people in our community and granted there's no possible way to know every single person, the deaf people I know are very, almost helpful, in helping hearing people understand - if that makes any sense? They enjoy any effort on your part to try to learn to sign. The college he went to is a large university and the University for the Deaf is only one part of it. I've seen students, deaf and hearing, mingled among one another. I guess one problem I have is they wanted to prove that Luke as a deaf person, could do the race just as well as any hearing person. Yet they are now using it as a reason he should be treated differently. I think Margie just lost it at the end of the leg. Yes, we as mothers are protective. That being said, my son is 21, small, no one thinks he is his age, he's had health problems growing up, but he'd be really upset with ME had I done that with anyone. No, he's not deaf, but even when he or my girls were way younger, they wouldn't have wanted Mom fighting their battles. They would have been embarrassed. PS - I learned a new term: "helicopter mom." 
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 6:08 pm
correction: The school Luke went to is called the Rochester National Technical Institute for the Deaf which is part of Rochester Institute for Technology or RIT.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 6:53 pm
I just want to say that I am going to miss M&M even more. I loved those two guys for their outlook on life and the race.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 7:23 pm
Me, too, Kappy. There's a video on the CBS web site where Phil is talking to them after they were eliminated. He was joking with them about the fact that they've done EVERYTHING. Hair stylist? Their dad was a barber. Fly a plane? A small one. Tile a bathroom. Sure! No problem. They really are a couple of funny guys. They really seemed to enjoy themselves and the people they met, too.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 7:32 pm
I'll miss them as well. They were fun, they didn't get overly tense and they almost always enjoyed the experience. It's too bad that they ended up with those big penalties. Yes they should have read the rules but it's still unfortunate.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 8:03 pm
WHAT is a "helicopter" mom? Kar, I agree! J/K's strategy was pre-planned and very effective! I am repeating myself when I say that both these gals played BB at the college level, so a body block was not a new thing to Jen. Furthermore, if an official hears a player call another player a "bit@H" or any other name, that player's bottom and the bench will be spending some quality time together. I think the fact that there were no penalties assessed indicates that the people who actually saw and heard what happened felt it was a "no harm, no foul" situation at each of the clue boxes.
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Beekindpleez
Member
07-18-2006
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 8:13 pm
A Helicopter Mom hovers all the time.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 8:23 pm
The Amazing Race 14 - Elimination Station: Episode 9 Mark & Mike Elimination http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80AFYO9zYWU My favorite Exit Interview Site, RealityTVWorld: Exclusive: Mark and Michael Munoz talk about 'The Amazing Race' http://realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-mark-and-michael-munoz-talk-about-the-amazing-race-8834.php
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 8:49 pm
It looks like a lot has been edited, imo. Reality TV World: You weren't around for those confrontations between [Luke Adams] and [Jennifer Hoffman], but it seemed like that had begun brewing at least during the previous leg. Had you seen anything between the two teams that suggested they were at such odds with each other? Mark: I mean there were confrontations with all the teams, even I had one with Tammy Jih way early in the race. Most of them aren't physical, they're more verbal or insinuations. But because we weren't there and I didn't see it until last night... I wasn't surprised. Or rather I should say I wasn't shocked, I was slightly surprised. You're racing for $1 million, you'll do almost anything.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 9:04 pm
Hypermom, Clue me in, will you? Re: "It looks like a lot has been edited, imo. " Mark & Mike weren't at the scene, and had an opinion. So, what am I missing?
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Kc103
Member
07-13-2004
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 9:13 pm
Yes, I think Phil had to be there, but didn't want to be involved at all. I also felt for Tammy and Victor standing in the middle of it all. I bet they wished they could be invisible right then. Here I just about liked most of the cast this year, but not so much any more. I think I'm rooting for Victor and Tammy to win at this point.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 9:40 pm
I still giggle at the Calligraphy challenge, where I think Tammy said something to the effect of: We are American Chinese and our parents would surely die if we don't come in first, so will you please stamp this quickly? (Which, of course, would be a super-plus to the Chinese Judge, that one's parents taught them decent Mandarin even after moving to the U.S.A.) (Looked like he DID, then moved a tad bit slower @ checking the others' stuff, or maybe it was just supposed to look that way.) lol, T/V parents must be truly enjoying this race!
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Hypermom
Member
08-13-2001
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 10:05 pm
Bisc, not about last night's show, but how we haven't seen the other confrontations.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 10:19 pm
Ahhh, thx for the explanation!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, April 20, 2009 - 11:59 pm
Listening to the clip "Sisters State their Target" there was not one derogatory word! Yes they said they would want Luke and Margie to go because they were strong AND because they had the alliance with Jaime and Cara, but they didn't put him down, seemed to have great respect for him and his knowledge of the game.. so I don't accept that as a plan to smile and frustrate him weeks down the line! Perhaps there is another clip I haven't seen where they said clearly that they planned ahead to frustrate Luke and mockingly smile at him. Haven't see that. But wow, Luke wouldn't have survived around Boston Rob or quite a few past racers! And he's the student of the show and should have anticipated that there would be days like this. Luke certainly was gleeful as all heck about putting out a very strong team using the U-Turn but that's ok, that's competition and all teams are allowed to be competitive. (IMO) He also didn't have the balls to admit to them that he had done the U-Turn but let them go to the house in Thailand thinking badly of Kisha and Jen. Yet another reason for J/K to not think quite so highly of Luke. (again, IMO) And while maybe he thought they were calling him a b.. again.. I wouldn't try to read his mind, it was LUKE who hurled that epithet at J/K. That WAS true, because we saw it and we heard it. He just seems not to handle it when things don't go his way. I still say that had he and Margie WON the leg, he'd have been quite smug and happy and, yep, SMILING at them and frankly, I think they would have handled it just fine. Let them enjoy their first win and in the next leg the three teams all start out virtually equal and it seems that J/C won't be far behind. IF they thought badly of Luke, I think it was because he was acting so badly.. at the clue boxes AND at the mat. And if you do think badly of someone's actions, how can your feelings be wrong? Smile or frown, the feelings are just that. ================ Nice clips.. I like Mark and Michael, but they seemed to be a bit fast to 'splain away all of their penalties. And they do confirm that there was bunching at the beginning of the time in China that allowed them to make up lots of the time. It looks like they won't be going to Elimination Station but will be travelling as decoys, along with the next eliminated team. And Jaime (and Cara) seem pretty universally unpopular with the first 7 eliminated teams! So I'd say Jaime isn't getting bad editing since they all have negative feelings. I'd still like T/V to win, but barring that.. hearing someone say that K/J really need the money, while that isn't a reason to win a reality show, if they earn the win, that would be a happy win, for me. Really, the last four teams have earned their way to the top four.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 12:01 am
Oh, and I'm thinking that the TAR producers are really really pleased with this episode because .. well look at all this discussion and that is going on on boards all over the internet, too.. Must be some broad smiles at CBS.
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Nerovh
Member
06-12-2005
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 5:17 am
Luke's head would probably have exploded if he had had to deal with Boston Rob. Rob knew exactly how to get under people's skin, and enjoyed doing it. He would have had a field day with someone as easily riled as Luke seems to be.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 5:21 am
Thanks for the comorant research, Sea! I am always thrilled nowadays when I remember ANYTHING! LOL!
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 7:21 am
I agree Nerovh and Seamonkey- that was my point yesterday. There have been way more cut throat players over the years or even way more snarky ones. I think that they played this up so much because there wasn't that much drama?
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Calamity
Member
10-18-2001
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 8:54 am
It can't be good if we have to analyze a TAR episode as if it were the Zapruder film. While I'm usually willing to cut racers a lot of slack, as far as I'm concerned Jen and Luke were equally at fault. Bleh. The cormorant Roadblock - I fretted a bit, worrying about the bird who flew off since he/she still had the ring around the neck but *whew* the bird eventually returned to Tammy's raft. It is quite a clever fishing technique though - so long as the cormorant gets a fair share for doing most of the work! Did anyone notice on what body of water that task was? If I were Tammy or Victor, I'd probably have been a bit frustrated that K/J and M/L were tagging along with us especially since K/J beat out T/V for first to the mat. Although it was kinda sneaky the things they were saying to the people, lol. Jaime & Cara too often let their impatience get the better of them. I wonder how many times it was before they realized they ought to finish the dance? Fuming (again) at people who may not have understood them wasn't helpful either. I hope they get it together and have a more positive attitude on these last legs or it may be their undoing. One reason I love TAR is that it doesn't focus so much of friction or melodrama between teams so I hope I don't have to hear much more about the altercations between K/J and M/L. P.S. I also like the word "kerfuffle". It's even more fun to say than "ruckus".
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 9:21 am
Sea, the clip I was referring to was in the show from that night. They were in the cab going somewhere and talking about how they planned to smile and piss him off or something to that effect. As I said, I think both teams played into it, and it would seem from M/M's interview that there was a lot more of that going on all around with all the teams that was never aired. I see no reason to hold any one team more accountable for that race behavior.
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 9:49 am
I hope Marge and Luke get eliminated before the final just because I want to see him explode at the mat and listen to Marge excuse him because he is deaf. I will laugh at him, not because he is deaf, but because his behavior is that of a five year old.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 9:55 am
I think the word "kerfuffle" is one of the most underused and underrated words in the English language.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 10:01 am
I agree, but I saw K/J as having the grace to say, right then at the mat that they apologized for their part in it. Margie and Luke.. well THEY seemed to feel THEY had no part in it. and again, he has billed himself as THE expert on TAR, the ultimate fan, so I don't cut him so much slack with his frequent melt downs.. the Chekov task, for instance.. that had nothing to do with lack of hearing. It wasn't about a movie or a song, just general knowledge and putting the letters in some order. Most of the racers were equally clueless, but he totally melted down. Probably just his "style" of expression, and if he hadn't come into the race saying he had more expertise and would "prove" that he could compete the same as others, then, maybe I'd be cutting him more slack . And in reality I have empathy for all of them, in that stressful situation. Additionally, I was offended by Margie's use of the disability card.. that any wrong was done BECAUSE Luke is deaf and of pulling out the race card as well. I have not heard K/J mention race one time === I like "kerfluffle" too. Calamity, I think I can get the info on the body of water, but I'm off to have an ultrasound.. will check back later. TNT.. you are always knowledgeable and I enjoyed looking up the cormorant info and in fact read more than I posted.. was quite interested in the history in Japan. I agree that as long as the cormorant gets a fair share, it can actually be a good relationship. Like working dogs, those who use their natural ability to do a job.. like the dogs who helped pull boats because they were strong and bred to dive.. so many examples.. but, alas, since it becomes a bad thing these days to be a purebred dog, that may vanish.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 10:03 am
It is true that K/J apologized at the mat, once they were more cognizant of the camera and Phil. I imagine after they cooled off, M/L might have let it go also. It's very hard to apologize (a logic centered function) when you are in the middle of an emotional meltdown.
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