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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Monday, December 01, 2008 - 10:53 pm
One thing I meant to mention after the show was when I was listening to Tina talk about how Ken would have to do better on the race to gage whether their marriage had a chance is: Why in the world would you base your marriage on something like a race where you are bound to get tired and frustrated? It struck me as the oddest thing. So if Ken doesn't do well enough flattering her and doing well on the race, they can't have a future together? Marriage is far too serious to base on how one performs on a race. Sheeesh.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, December 01, 2008 - 11:11 pm
My read on that is that they are already split up but if they manage to win, she'll get together to help him spend it?
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Monday, December 01, 2008 - 11:59 pm
I think the comment was more a reflection on trying to see who Ken *really* is. It's easy to fall in love with someone when you're seeing them for their job, their car, the way they they treat you when all the cards are falling into place. I think travel with a partner is a good gauge at how well you do together -- travel brings out the worst in people, no matter who you are. (And for clarification, I mean the act of traveling, not thbe experience once you're there.)
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 3:45 am
If traveling together is a good gauge of how well you do together, my husband and i wouldn't have just celebrated 28 years of being together! LOL the ONLY time we truly bicker is when we are traveling. even though i got it backwards, i still thing there must of been an official reason for them to leave their passports with the other player...too many of them did it.
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Thesnark
Member
09-27-2008
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 4:45 am
Judging my marriage on the high pressure stakes of the amazing race?! Not to smart in my opinion. Ken and tina aren't the first ones to use the race in that way though
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 7:38 am
At the beginning of the race, I did not like Dan and Andrew or Ken and Tina at all. I thought the boys were arrogant and pretentious. Ken and Tina annoyed me with their constant bickering. When the show started last night, I was hoping for Dan and Andrew to get eliminated. And I will be rooting for Nick and Starr to win. But as the show progressed, I found myself pulling for Dan and Andrew. I just wish if they were going to beat someone, it would have been Ken and Tina. I really liked Dallas and Toni. But Dallas did make the mistake. And we all know that in the Amazing Race, it only takes one mistake to get eliminated. There is nothing unfair about it. That is the rule. The winner of the Amazing Race is not based on their body of work. It is based on who survives from week to week, no matter by how slim a margin. And who finishes first. And I am OK with Andrew and Dan being in the finals. They have stumbled and bumbled their way through the race, but they did enough to get into the finals. I have to give them credit for that. And I kind of like how their attitude has improved from being kind of arrogant and fake cool to laughing at themselves and acknowledging how lucky they are to still be in the race. As far as some of the things they have said and done, they are mild compared to some of the jerks that have been on the show. I want Nick and Starr to win because they are likeable and they have been two of the best racers ever, but you know, I would have no problem with Andrew and Dan winning and I would rather they win than Ken and Tina. I guess I am just a sucker for the underdog, and boy have they been underdogs.

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Askme_who_ur
Member
08-19-2006
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 8:01 am
Have Nick and Starr been the best racers ? or have they been fortunate to get good taxi drivers and have situations go their way ? You saw Starr when things were not going their way. She was a wreck. Nick had to try to calm her down. I believe if they would have had a few more obstacles in their way, their attitudes would have shown reflected the struggles. They have been too cocky, as in, telling Phil he sounded like a broken record when he announced they were in first place. I would prefer a Ken/Tina win or a FratBoy win over a foregone conclusion win of Nick and Starr.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 9:04 am
I think Nick and Staff have to have been the best racers of the season or they wouldn't dominate almost every leg. They may not have had bad luck like some, but it takes more than good luck to be consistently high scored over 10(?) legs without proper sleep.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 9:34 am
Dallas and Toni interview! He and Starr are dating (although it doesn't sound entirely rosy!), and it seems like he had to do a microphone exchange, so that's why he took his passport bag off ... leading to him forgetting to pick it up. http://tvwatch.people.com/2008/12/01/amazing-race-dallas-on-losing-passport-romance-with-starr/
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 9:36 am
Lance and Marshall were the two pizza brothers from Dallas...and they were not good racers. Weren't they in Egypt when they got eliminated?
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 9:40 am
And another: http://www.intouchweekly.com/2008/12/the_amazing_racehow_many_thing.php
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Happygal
Member
11-15-2004
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 9:45 am
Re: leaving the passports and money with the player performing the roadblock - When I was travelling in Russia I had to have my passport and visa with me at all times. I'm wondering if that had something to do with it. The ones taking the cabs, etc. could have been stopped at any time and asked for their visa. Maybe there was some agreement with the Russian officials that the other players could wait at the author's house together (with some official in the background) without their visas, etc. Just a thought. Has anyone heard any explanation?
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Zgoodgirl
Member
08-22-2003
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:23 am
They have been too cocky, as in, telling Phil he sounded like a broken record when he announced they were in first place. I would prefer a Ken/Tina win or a FratBoy win over a foregone conclusion win of Nick and Starr. Askme, ITA!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:25 am
The clue they read did say that the other person had to wait at a specific place, so you might be right. It makes sense for the person doing the task to have the money, but as we saw at least two teams give the runner the passports, I think they must have been told at some time they had to have them with them.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:50 am
*ahem* Clear your Sunday nights starting Feb 15th for Race XIV.... http://thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20081202cbs02
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 11:18 am
Kitt, what do you mean that it didn't sound rosy? It sounded like Star and Nick were doing just fine (unless I skipped something). Whenever I have traveled outside the country with my friends, we carry our own passports on our person. I thought each person had their own passport when they split up, but the person that did the challenge kept the money since the other one didn't need it.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 11:36 am
Lexie, this bit: Dallas: Starr is very adventurous and outgoing. She’s definitely got a strong personality like me. That’s kind of where we clash. We butt heads because we both want our way all of the time. As you can see on the show, she gets pretty upset when things don’t go her way. I get upset when things don’t go my way. We both like to go out and do adventurous things. We both fight for the same stuff. That’s the level we connect on. She has a real good heart. She works with kids with autism in New York. That’s another side of her that I really like."
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 12:48 pm
from realityblurred.com Dallas is dating Starr, missed the finale because of lost passport, which was returned Dallas and Toni, who were eliminated from The Amazing Race 13 on Sunday’s episode, missed the finale as a result. In other words, they won’t be standing near the final mat to cheer on the final three teams. First, however, after flirting with her relentlessly on the race, Dallas is still dating Starr, although it’s a long-distance relationship as they live on opposite coasts. “We’ve been dating for a while now, about six months. We’re taking it one day at a time,” Dallas told Fancast. As to his colossal screw-up in the final episode that essentially cost them the race, Dallas says his passport and money were lost because production needed to change his mic’s battery, and he had to change cabs; in the confusion, his stuff was lost. “What happened was I had to do a microphone battery change. I was in the cab for about an hour. The driver didn’t know where he was going. I said, ‘I need a new taxi.’ So, as I was getting out to do the microphone change [the Amazing Race staff] undid my fanny pack with all my stuff in it because they had to get to the microphone. When I got out of the first taxi, it wasn’t attached to me anymore. I hopped into a new taxi, took that to where I needed to be and then went to pay. I didn’t have any money. That’s when I realized I’d left it in the previous taxi.” Ultimately, though, he still left it behind. Dallas said that he actually was in three taxis, and that the editing misrepresented what happened. “They made it look like the taxi with my pack drove away and I just watched it and waved goodbye. That was far from the case,” Dallas said. As he explained to Reality TV World, Dallas “got out and flagged down a new taxi, got a new taxi and went in there for about 20-30 minutes and finally had them take me to somewhere I knew. When I got there that’s when I realized I didn’t have the bag with me and my passport and my money was long gone. They made it look like [the cab] was right there and I could run after it but that’s not true. If it was anywhere near there I would’ve caught up to it, I don’t care if it was three miles down the road I woulda ran after it. But I had no chance of finding it,” he said. Ultimately, Dallas says his “passport was turned in to the U.S. Embassy, so I was actually [able to] get home. I wasn’t able to make it for the finale, but we finally got back later, luckily not too much later than everybody else.” The Amazing Race’s Toni & Dallas: Passport To Misadventure [Fancast] [Reality TV World]
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 2:57 pm
Happygirl in an interview Toni said that she had her passport/visa. dallas lost his and the money.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 7:43 pm
OMG! They are SO CUTE together!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ7gcWbws_4 Toni and Dallas, that is..
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 11:46 pm
How cute!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tess
Member
04-13-2001
| Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 1:17 am
Sea, thanks for posting the youtube link. I just love Dallas and Toni and I love Bonnie Hunt as well. I've not seen her show so that was a pleasant surprise as well. It was quite interesting to hear Dallas's account of how the passport/money were lost. What a miserable break and creative editing.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 1:36 am
Here's even more distressing detail.. 17845.475.html,http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17845.475.html post by georgiapeach at bottom of that page
quote:Here are some tidbits from Rob's excellent interview with Toni/Dallas: How the pouch was lost: Dallas was in the cab coming from the Roadblock His battery for the sound mike required changing, so production undid the POUCH to change the battery! Dallas then changed cabs, in the second for 20-30 minutes, went to the hotel where they had spent the night to get some help from the concierge, at that point when he went to pay the taxi realized that he no longer had the pouch. The Long Walk: Toni and Dallas consciously took the Metro knowing that they should be in a taxi, but knowing they did not have enough money They expected a 30 minute penalty and were surprised when they were told to go back AT that point however, cameras were not allowed on the Metro after 3PM, so they made a 2 hour walk back, where they met Phil and were eliminated Production told them that at that point they were only 30 minutes behind Ken/Tina Re the Passports: They were returned to the Embassy late that same night, presumably by the taxi-driver The next AM, when T/D called the Embassy, they were told the passports had been returned. By that time it was too late for them to reach the Mat in Portland in time to join the other teams.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 5:40 am
damn those production crew members! They deserve to race in the next race
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Colordeagua
Member
10-25-2003
| Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 7:21 am
When production situations slow the team down, what does that do to the teams' time? Someone keep track of time and it's deducted?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 7:44 am
I think that is how it works. There is a lot of production stuff that obviously isn't shown in the show. It would be fun to see a behind the scenes view of one of these shows. I think there is a good argument for letting them race again, but I guess this sort of thing has probably happened in the past and it is the racer's responsibility to ensure they have their stuff.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 10:47 am
I think before they have said that production issues happen to everyone, so they have to accept them as part of the race, and not expect time to be made up, or anything like that. It does sound like the microphone person was partly to blame, but in the end Dallas should have known better that to not look in the back seat when he left the cab.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 11:26 am
Although the microphone issue was the reason that his passport was not on his person it ultimately is Dallas' responsibility to keep up with his possessions. I'm sure that is only one of many mike changes that have happened to racers...attention to details is one of the hallmarks of going far in the race. That is why it is so interesting...the least little thing can blow your chances.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Friday, December 05, 2008 - 1:35 pm
Remember how the production crew is constantly telling the Big Brother people to change their batteries. I imagine that happens all the time on TAR. It is their responsibility to remember their belongings no matter what distraction they ecounter.
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Missyb
Member
07-28-2004
| Friday, December 05, 2008 - 5:01 pm
How did Dallas pay the first cab ? Before production undid the pouch to change the battery ? He paid the cab and then sat in it while they changed batteries ? Must have or he would not have been able to pay.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Friday, December 05, 2008 - 5:13 pm
he didnt pay for the first cab. dallas said the guy drove around for an hour and couldnt find where to go, so he told him no charge.
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Chicagolooper
Member
05-09-2004
| Friday, December 05, 2008 - 6:30 pm
I wonder why they don't use Lithium batteries. At our office, our portable wireless microphones were just draining the batteries dry so fast - then when we switched to Lithium, we could make it through a longer time. Oh, well. Such is life.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, December 05, 2008 - 6:52 pm
Though I wanted to cry for Toni and Dallas, I felt so bad for them, they've had an experience together that most mothers and sons would never have. What memories they'll have for the rest of their lives! Priceless!
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