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Askme_who_ur
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08-19-2006

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Askme_who_ur a private message Print Post    
I agree with Scooter, this is how animals are transported in this area of the world. If the local authority who was watching how they strapped on the items thought there was something wrong , they would have shown them how to do it better/properly. I think I did see someone pointing to one of the players a knot wasn't secured.

I understand the love of animals, they are God's creatures. So if the racers were transporting these animals to the vendors to be slaughtered and sold , should we be upset that they are going to kill them ? Those were kids and too young to be away from their mother UNLESS they were going to be slaughtered. Come on now, the producers look for local customs that the racers can participate in. The producers aren't there to change and educate the local people on how to live. THAT would insult other countries, if we Americans came in and said DON'T do that, do it OUR way , we know better.

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Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I know they were already tied up, but bouncing them extra in the bikes is what got me. I mean, why do I want to see an animal in pain? Just my opinion. <55>

Askme_who_ur
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08-19-2006

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Askme_who_ur a private message Print Post    
I never saw the goats in pain. And if they were being taken to be slaughters , the bike ride was the most exciting adventure that animal was ever going to see.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 9:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reader234 a private message Print Post    
I also lol (ok chuckled) when she thought it was their turn to be first, because the other team was first 3 times now!! I can understand her crying tho - it was emotional, and her first thoughts, but as she was emotional, I thought she was looking at it from her perspective - how the brother took a left, when the pad was to the right must've given her hope that it was their turn to be first!

and about the goats, I noticed that most of the baskets that locals were transporting had more than one goat trussed up - I'm thinking TAR did step in and ask for just one goat - and it is part of the local economy that we are seeing, maybe I should write a letter expressing my thoughts too?

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
I was also EXTREMELY upset about the treatment of the chickens and the goats!! <55>if that's how they do it in that country, AR did not have to also treat them that way! I was upset during most of the show and could not enjoy it and I was shocked more contestants didn't speak out about the treatment. I was so sad to see Jason & Lorena going especially when they were one of the few who treated their chicken with love and care. It does not matter if the goats were going to slaughter. They deserve to be treated nicely on the way there. It is not only in these other countries that animals are treated poorly. It happens right here in the good ole US too. Last summer I was passing a chicken farm and saw a truck load of chickens. It was 95 degrees out and very hot & humid. These chickens were mashed into metal crates which were then piled on top of each other. You could see chickens feet, pieces of wings and heads bashed up against and sometimes through the wire grate. I can not even imagine how hot it must have been in the middle crates. I was so sick to my stomach. I am disgusted that AR went along in the poor treatment of these creatures.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Thank you skydiver, that is exactly how I felt. It just bothered me so much that I could not enjoy the show. It really wrecked the whole fun of the show for me...

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I just do not get it how angry they get at the use of the U-Turn, or the yield in the past years. They act like the people who use them have done something unsportsmanlike. OK, I can how they might be upset that they got U-turned, but to act like those who did it are somehow morally lacking because of it is just silly. We saw it last year, the crying and whining because someone got yielded. It's part of the game!

And what is it with the entitlement thing. Their turn? That is ridiculous. Everyone knows by now that at least some of the legs have a prize. Why should anyone give up the prize that they won fair and square. If you want to be first, then EARN it!

I think TAR wants to show us all what goes on in other parts of the world. They could structure the show to where all we see are the beautiful parts, but they don't do that. They also incluse the ugly and the the hard.

And that includes the fact that people in many parts of the world can not afford to be as sensitive about animals as we are in the US. Let's face it, we are pretty much isolated from the hard realities of life.

I imagine that the people there would look at us in astonishment and laugh at the idea of worrying about the aninals' comfort. I am not saying they are not considerate of their animals whan they can be, but that it is probably not a big priority with them.

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
I did write to CBS. I think AR should stop using animals as props in a game show. I didn't care for teams yelling and poking at the donkeys and camels. But last night's show with the chickens stuffed in the bags for hours and the little goats tied up so they can't move and jostled around on a bike was just stepping way over the line in my eyes. AR is one of my all time favorite shows but I do not tune in to see mistreatment of animals. I did not enjoy last night's show.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
Allietex good post...yes they could just go to rich/beautiful parts of the world, but they don't...they show us how different countries are. That's a way of life there....I didn't care for the flies all over the food and the garbage dumped thoughout the market and roadsides and the bloated bellies on the children...but I just changed the channel if it got to be too much for me.

Mack
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07-23-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mack a private message Print Post    
Having lived in Africa I guess I wasn't surprised, at least in the sense of shocked, at the goat or chicken business. That doesn't mean I agree with the treatment of the animals. My suggestion to TAR would be that they stay away from using the animals the same way the locals do and if that means not using animals for any purpose then so be it. Sure, it's part of life in the various countries they visit but it's not part of our life.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Anyone remember when Survivor used the natives to shoot the cow and drain the blood out for them to drink? I think that was in Africa also. I had more of a problem with that then anything I've ever seen on TAR. TAR showed the way it is in that part of the world and so did Survivor. Watching those documentaries about animals and how they live on PBS bothers me much more than anything I've seen on these shows. I'd rather discuss the contestants and how they're racing than what's going on with a chicken on the show.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
here here chiliwilli!

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I agree Allietex.

Part of the reason I watch TAR is to get a glimpse of places I will never visit. I want to see the reality of life there, not some sanitized American version of how we think life should be.

I was moved when the Goth expressed so much emotion and sorrow at the poverty she witnessed. I think it was telling to see how each team handled the chicken, some with loving care, and some seemed to almost fear it.

TAR is the best reality show on TV and it pains me to think people are writing in and complaining? Maybe the executives will decide it's not worth the bother if all they hear is whining.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Given that TAR is so popular, I doubt it will be cancelled because of complaints. They may (or may not) choose to modify some of the tasks.

I think there are good arguments on both sides. On the one hand, TAR is one of the few shows that show us what life is really like in other countries. I think that's a very good thing!

On the other hand, if we do find a particular behavior morally objectionable, then I'm not sure it's wise to have the contestants participate in it. But it's even more complicated than that. From what I've seen, the way we treat our food animals in the US (as others have mentioned) is every bit as insensitive as how these little goats, or chickens might have been handled.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 1:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Karuuna -- good point. I'm sure if those Africans saw how our cows and chickens are handled they'd be asking who we are to judge.

I'm just sad the last couple was eliminated. I liked them. He looked a bit like Mark Whalberg to me and was the only eye candy in the race IMO.

I hope the kharma catches up to the Blondes.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
What kharma? They were just playing the game completely by the rules created by TAR. I don't understand why it is considering unsporting to use a yield or a u-turn? It is part of the game and IMO there is absolutely nothing dirty about it.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
True Jimmer, but the fellow contestants don't seem to see it as fair game playing. Many of them commented that they would "win like men" and other things that suggested they would win legitimately, not by tricks like a UTurn.

The kharma is that they now have a big target on their backs. No one will trust them.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Do men win differently than women? Do women not win sportingly or legitimately? Women can't be trusted? I'd like to ask them what the heck they mean by that.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I think what she meant was "with honor". That's my guess anyway. I don't really like her much so I'm not sure why I'm defending her silly comment. But she wasn't the only team that aluded to not using the UTurn because they thought it was not an honorable way to play.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I appreciate your attempt to explain it but I still don't understand why the teams feel that way. Was using a fast-forward to win a leg of the race dishonorable as well?

Was it bad kharma for Azaria & Hendekea not to let Nathan & Jennifer step on the mat first?

I didn't like the "winning like men" comment either. It sounded pretty sexist to me.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
It does seem odd that some teams think using the U Turn is dishonorable, when it is part of the rules of the game.

It's like when I play Sorry with my son, or one of those games where you get to dole out hardships to another player. Sure, it's part of the rules. But somehow it still doesn't feel right to me.

At any rate, part of the 'game' is that if other people see you poorly for using the UTurn, then you have to take that into account as well. Because if that is their view of the thing, then they are more likely to use it on you when they get a chance....

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
what bothered me about it...was they weren't in agreement about using it...I think that as a team they should have stategized on this, and been united as a team, as the others, regardless of their choice.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree though that while it may be within the rules and not dishonorable to use the U-turn, using it does tend to make them more of a target as the other teams probably find it easier to use it against someone who has already used it themselves. However, I don't see that as kharma (at least in the definition that I think we are using here).

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
When she said "like men" I don't think she meant at all "unlike women". That's why I think she meant it as winning in an honorable way.

Interesting point Karuuna about games like Sorry where you knock another player back to the start. I also hate it when I knock my daughter back, but if I was playing with a friend I will be happy to knock them back.

I have no idea why taking a fast forward sits okay with the teams but a U Turn does not. I think it's the negative angle of the U Turn -- you're effecting another team, whereas the fast forward is that you're going something to get yourself ahead, but not sending another team back.

Yes, the lack of agreement between the blondes also makes them look bad when one is apologizing to another team about it, saying she didn't even want to do it. If you're going to play hard ball, you need to do it without apology, like Romber did.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
The winning like men comment came from a woman, did it not?

I think that the producers of TAR have had to resort to going into the "less civilized" areas of the country due to the popularity of the show. So the resources available to them to accomplish tasks are fewer than they would be if they were in a more populated area. The spoilers have done too good of a job in the past. I like the fact now that there aren't good "final" spoilers on this year's race.