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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:07 am
hmmm funny both of us heard it Lori.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:15 am
I heard him say that but didn't think to much of it because I thought that he meant that he had always said "i love you" rather perfunctly and now he really had the meaning and thought behind the words. Not just saying them because he was supposed to.
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:26 am
I heard it too and I appreciated his honesty but think that it must have hurt Christina a little bit. I don't love my mother and father, long abusive story, but I don't tell them that I don't mean it when I say it.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:28 am
I think it is sweet and incredibly wonderful that the show gave them all that time together to get to know each other. Truly a life changing experience for both of them. Sadly, some parents spend so much time away from their children that they don't truly know each other. They may love them but they don't know them to love them.
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Smartypants
Member
03-09-2007
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:33 am
I took it that way too Dipo. Although I did raise my eyebrows a bit. I remember Christina saying in one episode that he didn't really say 'I love you' much. So I got the impression that what he meant when he said "this is the first time I can say I love you and mean it" (not exact quote) is that it's the first time he felt comfortable saying it because he had grown so close to her. I can understand this easily because me and my dad are not close at all!! Do I love him? yeah, he is my dad I make a point to say I love you when we say good bye...but it's not a natural thing.... So to sum my thoughts up, I think he meant that he had a new closeness and therefore saying I love you took on new meaning, not that he hadn't loved her until now.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:49 am
I agree about Ronald, I think he meant that he now appreciated the depth of his love rather than just loved her in the more expected kind of way. But it didn't sound very good. Texannie, whenever they had a problem with a task and Rachel was in anyway at fault, TK seemed to undermine her self worth. Said things like he was disappointed in her, that she'd done wrong but he knew she'd tried - basically things that seemed to be designed to make her feel like she couldn't be expected to do better. I really dislike that way of arguing, it's very manipulative I feel. It wasn't a big deal, I just noticed it a few times and I've had a relationship with someone like that and pick up on it easily! Overall, I don't think he was a bad bloke at all, just I saw the warning signs.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:55 am
i never noticed any of that, kitt, interesting how we can all see things differently. i thought the finale was very exciting especially because of the last road block. and WTG to Ron for how he climbed that Glacier. Even the guide was impressed!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 1:34 pm
Exactly what Dipo and Smarty said. My take on it was the words "I love you" had a totally different meaning for Ronald after the race. Not that he didn't loved her before, but after the race it took on a whole different meaning for him. When Ronald and Christine were talking about it, they had me in tears. (Even though you two worded it much more eloquently than I ever could).
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 1:35 pm
Also, the way Christine was beaming at the end of the race when her and Ronald were talking to the cameras, it wasn't even about the million dollars anymore!!!
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Trini
Member
07-06-2004
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 1:44 pm
Kitt maybe you are thinking of a different couple than TK&R? just maybe..
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 2:23 pm
No, Trini, it was TK. Maybe I'm just sensitive to it but it put me off him, that's all!
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 2:26 pm
I thought maybe you had another couple in mind too. I must have missed it because I thought he came across as really sensitive to her, it was one of the reasons I enjoyed them. I hate all the meanness many couples display on this show.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 5:23 pm
Did anyone else notice that the first time Christine asked to be judged that she only had the first one wrong, Ireland. From then on she kept getting it all bolluxed up badly until she fell to 2nd place. I'll bet when she saw the show and how close she was to being right the very first time she was kicking herself.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 5:43 pm
I also have to confess I didn't sense anything passive-aggressive about TK, but I wasn't looking for it and I liked them and that certainly can color the way I view things. I still haven't watched the last ep, but I will. Just all tangled up in hours of tennis coverage from down unda and watched that Mole Marathon that ran on Sunday.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 7:51 pm
My Sister and I agreed that THIS was the BEST Race we've ever seen!!! Great challenges and that whole hour of the finale kept us both on the edge of our seats. It really all boiled down to that final challenge, not due to bunching up, car troubles, or different planes. Fantastic scenery, neither one of us would have been able to get up that glacier just left to dangle over that COLD looking water! We both liked all three teams so didn't care which made it first. Also that all three teams ENJOYED themselves and all along the way they appreciated the opportunity to see so many places and cultures. I noticed at the race to the finish, the clapping and cheers didn't seem forced and fakey, like I've seen in some of the races. Everyone seemed honestly happy for all three teams too. Now, we have to wait for the next race. Withdrawals beginning already!
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 7:57 pm
Thanks also for the spoiling!!!!! You do great for us folks on the left side of the country and it's much appreciated!!! Even though I had read the spoilers and knew who won, I still was surprised how intense that hour was. Go TAR!
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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 8:56 pm
whenever they had a problem with a task and Rachel was in anyway at fault, TK seemed to undermine her self worth. Said things like he was disappointed in her, that she'd done wrong but he knew she'd tried - basically things that seemed to be designed to make her feel like she couldn't be expected to do better. Wow! I guess people really do see things differently! I do not think this describes TK AT ALL! LOL like the others I was positive that you were mixing them up with someone else....but maybe it is just a different perspective. I would have to agree with what Stacey said above......that TK seemed really sensitive to Rachel. He always seemed to encourage her and they helped to keep each other calm. But that's just me!!!
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 9:02 pm
Yeah, I agree with Dipo, Smarty & Laxie. Ron really did say those words. But I do believe he was trying to say that he had a whole new understanding to those words. I truly trust that he will be a changed man from this experience. As I said weeks ago, whenever he acts up again, those ladies could just show him the tape of the first few legs! Not to drop the Chinese bag on you all the time, guys. But "I Love You" was a phrase never heard in my parents house growing up. I remember when my dad let me know how I was too old to be leaning on him and all that. I remember being jealous that the only one of us never too old to hold daddy's hand was the youngest sister, #5. Even though she's only six yr's younger than myself, #1. Mom's much the same. Grandparents were busy with the boys(#3 & #4) as well as #5. Sorry to bore you with all these. Just trying to say that, it's not too affectionate in my Chinese household, even though we all know how they love us.(Property were sold to pay for my schooling abroad even though they didn't believe in my major. And so on....) These days, we say it in English! It's natural between my parents and my girls to say it in English.(DDs on the other hand, usually want to show off and say it in Chinese.) But they're doing that as well with my niece & nephews who are bi-lingual. Whenever our whole clan meet we all say it in English to greet and bit farewell. It's very interesting, sad and happy all at once to hear my folks being able to say it out loud. Yet, only in another language with their thick accent! 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 9:12 pm
That's an interesting perspective Chy. I think that some people have trouble verbally expressing their feelings of love and there is more pressure in certain cultures to verbally express love. So the first step for people who aren't used to doing it is to verbally mimic the words. The next step is truly comprehending and feeling what the words mean in the sense that they are expressed in that new culture.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:54 pm
Honest, it was TK, I mean, I might be wrong on what I say, but I'm definitely talking about TK. It's interesting two of you say that he was sensitive to Rachel, because part of the whole psychology is to keep her feeling as if she's the delicate one and in need of the sensitivity. But on a scale of 10 in terms of people who do this, he's way down there at a two. I was just pointing it out as one of the reasons I personally preferred C&R over TK&R and didn't mean to get into such a discussion!
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Kellsma
Member
08-28-2002
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 7:36 am
Here is a nice article from the local OC Register about the couple, how they had to keep it a secret and how watching past episodes really helped them. They found those that normally won were those that did not bicker and fight. Also, she kept a journal of every leg which they studied on the plane and I am sure helped them on the final task. http://www.ocregister.com/life/says-erwin-rosales-1963571-race-last
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 8:32 am
While I was happy with TK & Rachel winning, I have to say I would have loved to see R/C win the whole thing. Only because I do not think there was ever a father/daughter winner, right?
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 8:45 am
TK and Rachel are on Regis and Kelly. They are so cute. They knew each other growing up but didn't date. One night they tagged along when their mothers were going out and that's when they 're-discovered' each other.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 8:50 am
kitt..are you sure you don't mean Nathan and Jennifer? i am sort of tickled how we saw them so differently.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 9:22 am
Chy thx for your insight. I like learning about Chinese culture from you.
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