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Woofy
Member
08-09-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 1:05 pm
Network "Standards and Practices" (and as far as I know the FCC) limits people to being contestants on three game shows over their lifetime. (Multiple appearances - i.e., Return Champ or appearance on a continuing storyline on a reality program count as ONE appearance). Rob and Amber have each appears on two different SURVIVOR seasons and two different AMAZING RACE seasons. Additionally they have their own reality show and have appeared on countless other gameshows and misc. TV programs. I am sure that they had to join AFTRA (American Federation of Television and Radio Artists) if not other unions. So, are they being paid "per episode" for AMAZING RACE All Stars? That means they're guaranteed a specific amount (each) for even appearing in the show's Opening Credits. It's a Union regulation. Depending on the negotiated contract, this amount could be over and above the per-diem paid to other team members. Are they worth that money? I think they've had their 15 minutes of fame (Including their wedding special? Oye. What do you think? Woofy!
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 1:42 pm
I think as long as we keep creating threads for them and having "love 'em / hate 'em" discussions about them, they'll keep on showing up on our screens. Notoriety only lasts as long as you can convince people to continue thinking about you.
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Woofy
Member
08-09-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 1:53 pm
you are correct Karen ... but if producers realize that they lose some audience each time they rebook Romber, perhaps they'd reconcider.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 2:04 pm
I thought I read somewhere that the reality shows like Survivor and the Amazing Race were not technically game shows like Wheel of Fortune. I am not sure of the difference or even it this is correct, but maybe that has something to do with it. The reality shows were considered as entertainment instead of contests. Maybe someone knows where to go to check this out. And is there any evidence that they do lose audience?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 2:15 pm
CBS obviously doesn't think they are losing out by re-booking them or they wouldn't do it.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 2:20 pm
That's a tough call, Woofy, on the whole "losing audiences" argument. The producers realize that they may lose some audience by pulling in 'stunt casting' such as Rob and Amber. But they're also hoping that the audience they lose is directly proportional to the audience they gain. Many people were fans of Rob and Amber on Survivor but had never seen TAR. Many people hated Alison on BB and wanted to see if she was just as bad on TAR. And generally, I think the fans that 'boycott' this season, due to Rob and Amber, will return for next season without them. The producers aren't worried too much about those numbers, they're pretty confident that the majority of 'lost viewers' will return once Rob and Amber are gone. The producers are hoping that the audience that came over to TAR based on Rob and Amber, will realize what a great show it is (with or without them) and will stick around for future seasons. And in the minds of producers, we're not fans who look forward all day to our favourite show. We're not fans who dissect each episode and make love/hate proclaimations. All we are to TPTB are number$.
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Woofy
Member
08-09-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 2:24 pm
Karen (et al) you're probably 100% correct. By the way, if the reality shows are considered "entertainment" and not game/contestant shows, then the contestants would have to join the union.
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 2:28 pm
i hate to say this to the people who don't like rob and amber, but the ratings go UP when they are on shows. their wedding was very highly rated. some people (like myself) and my family members (who don't read message boards or join in) love rob and amber. love their game play, and just enjoy watching them. you can't not invite someone who changed the game as much as they did. they get inside everyone's head. they've gotten into all of us at TVCH, and they got to all of those running the current TAR. can't mistake that.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 2:37 pm
Yes, they are legends in their own minds.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 3:01 pm
they entertain me and that's all I ask when I watch these shows
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 3:05 pm
Don't get me wrong, landi, I love to see anyone on TAR who respects each other, respects the locals, and plays to win. I have no problem with Rob and Amber. That said, I don't much enjoy coming here to TVCH after the premiere episode and having three out of four posts be about Rob and Amber (or the numerous threads / discussions about them upon cast announcement). For claiming to not want to ever have to see or hear about these people again, we seem to do an awful lot to help them stay in the limelight.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 4:02 pm
as far as a lot of people i know, the ratings go down with rob and amber on a show. i had no desire to see their wedding, or see either of them on TAR the first time, or on all-stars Survivor. for me, the best cast is all unknowns. i am watching because i like charla, mary and david, team cha cha cha and the frat brothers. this won't be as good for me once they are eliminated. i just don't like all-star games as much as every day people games. landi, had you made it on, i would have dvr'd the episodes and watched them over and over!! romber to me is like having to watch 'charo'.
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Woofy
Member
08-09-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 4:23 pm
Tabbyking as much as I hate to admit it, I'd rather watch Charo. http://tinyurl.com/29rewk
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, February 19, 2007 - 4:54 pm
That is one of my all time fave commercials. 30 years ago when Charo was on tv all the time, I named my little Shelty Charo.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 11:26 am
Charo!!! LOL! Too funny Tabby and Woofy! Re: Rob and Amber, I saw an interview with Phil the other day. He said something like: some people may think Rob and Amber have had their 15 min of fame or more like two hours, but if they hadn't had them on the show a lot of people would be crying they should be on, where are they. He said that this is a tv show. (he may have even said R/A improve the ratings, I'm not sure.) I agree with Phil that there would have been people not pleased if R/A weren't on.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-29-2004
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 3:17 pm
There are many people not please that the Hippies aren't on.
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Webchiq
Member
07-11-2005
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 4:13 pm
I am pleased that the hippies aren't on.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 4:34 pm
Me too, Webchiq. It doesn't matter what TPTB did or didn't do... there's no way all of here would be pleased with all of the cast. Me? I'm glad to see Rob and Amber. If I never see Mirna and Charla again, it'll be too soon. Love the BQs, and am thrilled that the hippies and the Chos are not racing this time round. Doesn't mean that anyone is wrong for liking the hippies, or that I'm wrong for disliking Schmirna. It's just different strokes for different folks.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 5:16 pm
I think Phil has a misconception about Rob and Amber's draw. I think more people will not watch TAR with them on it (for the SECOND time) than those who will watch TAR for the first time. I'm interested in Woofy's initial post, however. If that's true, then someone's playing a cute little game with this season. P.S. For what it's worth, I did not watch and had no interest all in any televised wedding by those two. Period.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 5:22 pm
I think Phil has a pretty good idea on what kind of the feedback they receive on the racers.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 5:53 pm
Ok -- to go back to Woofy's original post. I did some furious googling and came up with nothing -- either FCC or CBS standards and practices -- that stipulate a person may only have three appearances. I'm not doubting your info, Woofy, just curious if you have a link? I gave up trying to find it. So three appearances on a game show / reality show. You say that "multiple appearances" as a returning champ or recurring storyline count as one appearance. So does Survivor All-Stars and TAR All Stars count as an extension of their pre-existing appearance on their seasons? If that's the case, then they're only at 2 reality appearances each. Also, what programs fall into the category of 'reality / game show'? BB, Survivor, TAR... sure, I see the connection between them - winner walks away with a prize. But what about Miami Ink? Nick and Jessica? Orange County Choppers? If Rob showed up on OCC asking Pa and Jr. to make him a bike, does that 'use up' one of his allotted appearances? Is an 'appearance' on Nick and Jessica's show different than having their own "Ambob" show (such as their wedding, or the "Against All Odds" show)? I wouldn't be surprised if Ambob had to get ACTRA cards for some of the stuff they've been doing outside of the CBS Reality world. But a unionized worker is not required to work for said union. Anyone holding an ACTRA card can audition and appear on a non-union show (which I assume TAR, and most reality appearances would have to be) -- the actor just has to be aware that they won't have the security of their union to back them up if things go wrong. Assuming Ambob have used up their 3 appearances, and assuming that they are card-carrying union members, I still have a very hard time believing that CBS is paying Ambob as "cast" while the rest of the competitors are getting their stipend only. To answer the final question, "Are they worth the money?" (assuming they're getting paid rediculously more than the rest of the competitors, which I don't believe for a second). But for the sake of argument, are they? Jimmer had it bang on, that obviously they are, or they wouldn't keep showing up. Love 'em or hate 'em, we all keep talking about 'em. And no amount of money can buy you advertising like that.
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I_wings
Member
12-22-2006
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 2:15 pm
I find it funny that in the threads I looked back at, there were no mentions of 'Romber' until a Romber-hater came along. When the All Star Teams were announced, we had 12 posts before R&A were mentioned (negatively) which resulted in others speaking up in support. Same goes for the general discussion thread. Makes you wonder who is really contributing to their apparent popularity.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 4:13 pm
I watch AR IN SPITE of them, not because. While I don't care to see them, they are not important enough to keep me from one of my favorite shows. I'll just be glad when they are gone from this season...and I don't have to gag whenever they appear....
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 4:27 pm
I love Romber, so I hope I am contributing to their popularity. I don't mention them at every turn because I tire of the comments about how their 15 minutes were up 45 minutes ago.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 4:31 pm
Perhaps the rule applies to three appearances on the same game show. For example, you could not go on Jeapordy ten times, unless it is as s returning champion or a championship show. That might be to prevent the same person coming back again and again because they were a fan favorite. It would just be to keep the producers honest. I doubt it restricts a person to three appearances in all game or reality shows in total. It that were the case, Rob and Amber would already be breaking the rule as this is their fourth appearance, and I am sure the producers know the rules. If this is the case, and reality shows fall into the same category, then Rob and Amber could come on the Amazing Race three times, Big Brother three times, Survivor three times etc. With as many reality shows as there are, the appearances would be almost limitless. LOL
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 4:53 pm
"Romber" was coined during their Survivor All Stars season.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 6:33 pm
I watch AR IN SPITE of them, not because. While I don't care to see them, they are not important enough to keep me from one of my favorite shows. I'll just be glad when they are gone from this season...and I don't have to gag whenever they appear.... ITA
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