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Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Rob & Amber ran their own race, didn't worry about what the other teams were doing *until Rob's brillant idea about taking the penalty 4 hours instead of having to eat all that meat* and were nice to the locals. Being nice really helps. Yelling at your cab driver doesn't.
'squeek'

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I liked the Lynn family on the "family" edition.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
You know, when you are blonde and beautiful, you don't have to work at guys falling all over themselves doing things for you. Is it any more distasteful for them to use their physical attributes than it is for a handicapped person to use their physical disabilities? I think I would find the BQs more disgusting if they hadn't also been kicking tail in most of the competitions. They were smart, able (for the most part) to read a map, seemed pretty strong in most of the challenges, and kept an unbeat attitude.

It wasn't their fault that men in foreign countries - especially countries that traditionally fall over themselves for blonde haired, blue eyed women - try to outdo one another to help them.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
<100>

Nothing wrong with the girls planning ahead for the taxi. They get cricized for doing what the others only wish they had thought of doing.

Whrlwnd
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10-13-2006

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whrlwnd a private message Print Post    
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As I've said, I wasn't a BQ fan, but I respectfully disagree w/ the idea that the BQs didn't work their rumps off throughout the whole race, though. I didn't notice them getting any free rides. Many of the contestants frequently enlisted the help of locals. As a matter of fact, it seemed to me that Mary started the trend of getting people to ride w/ her & Dave to get them where they needed to be. So, w/out dissing Mary, I would say that disposition played a bigger part in getting people to help than outer beauty.

This is just my opinion, though, not trying to change anyone else's mind.

Lori
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04-18-2003

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori a private message Print Post    
The BQ's ran a great race. They certainly did not fall into the stereotypical "dumb blond beauty queen" category. <100>

Madelane
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08-20-2001

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Madelane a private message Print Post    
I just wanted to point out what nobody seemed to be saying out loud. The reason it makes people uncomfortable when the Beauty Queens call Lynn and Karlyn the "sistahs," is the pronounciation. If they said "sisters," well, wait, now that I see it in writing...both pronounciations are bad. Either way it was traditionally a term used only for black females, unless of course people are truly siblings. I know some white people who have sort of adopted the terms for their own close friendships, but it still rings wrong when I hear it. Basically when the BQ's say it, they are referring directly to their race, which does not seem appropriate. It's a sensitive issue and even if they mean well, it's just best they avoid the term at all.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I would agree, Madelane, if I had not heard the Lynn and Karlyn refer to themselves the same way several times in front of the other teams. I think the BQs picked it up from them. I did not get a sense of disrespect from them.

It would probably have been wiser not to use it because it is common for miniorities to use terms among themselves that would be considered in bad taste and not tolerated if used by other people.

But the girls might not have been aware that the term was considered in bad taste since the Lyns used it themselves. I never heard them make any other disparaging remark that might have been considered racist.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 10:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
With me it was the pronunciation and the tone in their voice when they said 'sistahs'. Allietex, I probably sound like a nitpicker, but there were a few other instances in the show that made me wonder about the BQs.

I'm sure most people didn't classify the remark to the Chos about being good with paper as being disparaging, but it certainly was a weird thing to say and it even made the Chos go 'huh'.

Another time one of the BQs spoke right in front of the guys at a ticket counter, like they couldn't understand her, saying that they weren't very smart.

I'm not saying they are racists, but they have said other questionable things in the race. I think they think the 'sistahs' pronunciation and the remark to the Chos was just funny, but I have trouble understanding why it was funny to them.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 11:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
I just want to stress again that I'm not saying the BQs are racist. I'm just saying that they have said some things that were in very bad taste and those things should be held in the same bad light that is used for other contestants.

This view of them as the bubbly little Suzie Sunshines that just enjoyed the race really irritates me. lol

Trueheart
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09-12-2006

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 11:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trueheart a private message Print Post    
I don't have a problem with her using her sexuality, just that Rob told her to like he was pimping her out. It was kind of an eeeeeew moment for me.

LMAO!!! I told my sister that if a man of mine ever said that to me? I would tell him "You are NOT my pimp!".....it's funny that I got the same vibe from that.

Like I have been saying from Day 1....
GO Tyler and James!!



Trueheart
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09-12-2006

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 11:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trueheart a private message Print Post    
BTW I will be totally happy if both Rob and Amber AND Dustin and Kandice are on TARAS!!!

D/K got kind of a raw deal. But doesn't that always seem to happen though? A team or contestant will run a consistantly AWESOME race and then they blow it/fumble when it counts. That sucks. I also never saw them as "arrogant" or "gloating".

D/K were GREAT racers:
1. Competitive (throw in the word "extremely")
2. Positive (REALLY important in my book)
3. Resourceful
4. Polite (we know 2 others who weren't!)
5. Intelligent (hey...not everyone is)
6. Physical
7. Skilled in navigation
8. They don't whine!

All around I thought that they were VERY enjoyable to watch. I would definitely enjoy seeing them on TARAS and I think they DESERVE it.

Throw in Brandon and Nichole OR Derek and Drew (?...Twins) and I just might faint in excitement!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 12:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Discussion of that is taking place in the thread for that race, complete with spoilers that hopefully won't be discussed here.

Phil will be on Rachael Ray tomorrow.. not sure if he's going to cook or talk about TAR?

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 1:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Trueheart, you forgot very good sports in your list. No matter what happened they seemed to take it in stride and even were complimentary to their competitors when beaten.

It would probably have been wiser not to use it because it is common for miniorities to use terms among themselves that would be considered in bad taste and not tolerated if used by other people.

If the minorities want equality then they need to give equality. If it's okay for someone to call you the Sistahs then it should be okay for everyone to call you that. Besides I heard them call the BQs the Barbies in a snotty tone many times and I've heard much more nastiness from Karlyn than the other three combined.

Necie
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09-07-2006

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 3:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Necie a private message Print Post    
Karlyn just has such a negative, I don't care attitude, it makes it hard to watch her. I can see how that could bring her friend down and possibly out. She was so rude to her friend while her friend was trying to eat the camel meat. I would have told her if she didn't shut up, I was just gonna sit there and not eat until her mouth quit running. The more her friend told her to quit talking, the more she kept on, it was as if she couldn't help herself. How in world does she think that helps anything? Talk about bringing you down.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 3:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
If I was Lyn that friendship would be so over after this race; million dollars or not. I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams wanting to be around her for any amount of time for any reason ever. What a nightmare.

Lizziedi
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10-05-2005

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 3:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lizziedi a private message Print Post    
True, Necie, and when Lyn tried to talk to her about it in the car later, Karlyn said that she is who she is, and if Lyn didn't like it she should have stopped listening. I thought that was worse. Karlyn may have spoken out of anger & frustration, but she should have listened to Lyn's hurt feelings and apologized on the spot.

At the time I thought Lyn should have dipped her camel meat in the water--to cool it. (It was tasty, so eating it wasn't the problem.) I would guess that she considered it, but it was not allowed.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 3:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
It probably was allowed but I wouldn't want to eat watery meat or drink greasy water and with that much meat she needed the water. She just really need the mouthy one to shut up.

Lateeda
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12-01-2006

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 5:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lateeda a private message Print Post    
"...I've heard much more nastiness from Karlyn than the other three combined."
AMEN!

To add my thoughts on D/K using the word 'sistahs' - If I had heard the Lyns use it on each other, then I would feel totally comfortable using it to refer to them as well. Call me naive, (or just plain too old) to know which words are supposedly "off-limits" to me. However, D/K did refer to themselves as being blondes, being beauty queens but NOT ONCE did I hear them say, "Oh, we're such Barbies." This is why I see the Lyns use of that term as being offensive, name-calling and not D/K's use of sistahs being in the same vein of intent.

Pdxmom
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08-08-2006

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pdxmom a private message Print Post    
I have a beautiful naturally blonde daughter, who now dyes her hair a lovely shade of red because of the way she was treated. She used to get the "Barbie" comments and it hurt her tremendously. There's a terribly negative connotation with that term. It's not her fault that she is tall, blonde and well-endowed. She's also smart, artistic, witty and very caring, but no one seemed to recognize those aspects because of her looks.

Every time I heard anyone use the term "Barbies" to identify the BQ's, it made me cringe for them continuing with stereotypes that have been so hurtful to my own daughter.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
The other night I talked about fundamental attribution error in my applied psych class, and used the Amazing Race as an example. According to this theory, behavior has two primary causes, internal attitudes and external situations. Fundamental attribution error says we tend to favor attitude over the situation when judging other people's behavior, particularly when we are trying to assess someone's personality. In the case of reality TV, we tend to assess personalities in order to decide who to root for or who deserves to win. A lot of people seem to be attributing Karlyn's negative behavior to her personality rather than the situation. In her everyday life, she may have pleasant personality, but when in a foreign country, surrounded by people she doesn't know or trust, doing things far outside her comfort zone, while trying to win a million dollars, the situation has a greater affect on her behavior.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Personally, this is a prime reason for wishing the Race came on more than once a week, so we could actually talk about the race as opposed to picking apart the racers!

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
to know which words are supposedly "off-limits"

Exactly what I meant. If they use it then I can use it. I don't care what the word(s) is.

A lot of people seem to be attributing Karlyn's negative behavior to her personality rather than the situation.

I could agree with this except that just about the first words out of Karlyn's mouth were being pissy about Peter/Sarah and then at the first or second challenge snarling about Rob/Kim. She came into the race that way and I'll bet you she leaves the race that way.

I agree, Roxip. I would love to have the challenges spread out a little more and for them to give us more insight on the teams but not necessarity confessional type insight. I'd like to see more of their interactions with locals and other teams.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 12:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Amen to all you said (wrote) about the BQ's, Trueheart! I would love to see them come back in an allstar edition!

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
Phil was on Rachael Ray today. Told a little behind-the-camera stuff. Interesting. What does he like to do when not working on TAR? Travel. One of the few countries he's never been to, but very much wants to see -- Nepal.

Trueheart
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09-12-2006

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trueheart a private message Print Post    
Discussion of that is taking place in the thread for that race, complete with spoilers that hopefully won't be discussed here.

Sorry seamonkey...the only reason I brought it up in here is because D/K just got eliminated and are still being discussed here.

I wanted to make points on why I liked them as racers. Most are aware that there will be an all-stars. I was merely saying that because of D/K racing ability I hope they will be on it. I would NEVER put any spoilers in here! (LOL plus I don't know any!)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 8:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I know you wouldn't.. uh, but.. there is a big discussion of exactly that.. who is known and thought to be on the all stars right in the thread next door to this one.. some who have posted here might be very interested in that discussion.

Lizziedi
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10-05-2005

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 12:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lizziedi a private message Print Post    
Sounds like some inadvertant spoilering may be afoot. (Remember that song: "God is alive, magic is afoot"? I always think of that whenever I say afoot.)

Thank you very much, Seamonkey, for your monitoring. And thank you also, Trueheart & others, for being careful. Sounds exciting, and when this is over, I'll be checking out the "thread next door".

Tvjunkie
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11-26-2006

Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 8:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvjunkie a private message Print Post    
ITA with whoever said that the Lynns are not given enough credit for running a good race and being smart in this leg..... Hey...they are in the final three -- and THE FIRST FEMALE TEAM TO ACCOMPLISH THIS SINCE THE START OF TAR AND I hope they win.... The BQ are winners....NOT....

And I totally disagree with whoever said the Lynns said the worst things combined with all the racers....That's just ridiculous....

Lynns are NOT the most hated racers from TAR...I think Rob and Amber are....If you hate them that doesn't mean everyone does....JMH....

Go Lynns

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 9:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
If we're voting on the couple that acted the most hateful toward each other (and thus caused me to dislike watching them the most)-- I'll cast my vote for Jonathon and Victoria.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 9:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think Rob and Amber have an equal number of fans; you can find some almost universally unpopular teams, though. And even they will of course have their fans.

My feeling on this particular season is that there is NO team that is as unpopular as some teams on other seasons. In other words, I'm not crazy about the BQ or Karlynn and this couple do argue and screech but if any of them were on other seasons they wouldn't be bottom of the list.

And conversely, other than the Chos, for me, no one this season would make my list of favorites and the Chos would be on the list of ones I like very much but didn't have that racing instinct (Gus and Hera were sort of like that for me, the nerd couple and some others.. I'd want them for friends and neighbors, love them but couldn't ride with them to the end like with Chip and Kim, Joyce and Uchenna, Rob and Amber (for me).

Whrlwnd
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10-13-2006

Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whrlwnd a private message Print Post    
Well, tonight is the night we'll have our winner for this race. So...

Go Tyler & James !!

I have my fingers crossed.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Is tonight the finale? Only an hour???

From my DVR "Say Your Deepest Prayers Ever. The final three teams head for France; one team gets left behind on the journey; a 12,000 sky dive causes a rift between team members; contestants struggle to be the first to reach the finish line."

Seems like it would be an action-packed hour to go to France, do task and travel back to the US and to the finish line.. but I'll be watching no matter what..