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Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Whether you like the BQ's or not, (and I do!) you have to give them props for jumping into all the tasks/challenges instead of going all girly-girly and worrying about breaking a fingernail. They are right in there toughing it out - mud, sweat, whatever! They are not at all what I expected at the outset, and I have come to have tons of respect for them -

My grandmother always told me you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar - and ain't it so!!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 10:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Good to see you have caught up, TNT!!

But there are lots of us viewer flies not being caught or even tempted by the BQ brand of "honey".

Lizziedi
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10-05-2005

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 12:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lizziedi a private message Print Post    
LOLOL at these posts:
The "Sam I Am" Poem
"I think I've got Rob & Kimberly pretty much sorted out though."

Thank you, Nerovh & Roxip, for a good laugh!

I find the BQs an enigma. They're so positive and energetic, and yet even the models and K/R don't have a bond with them and don't trust them.

I also think the Lyn's attitude & demeanor is so negative. Does anyone else get the sense that Lyn is sometimes tired of Karlyn's aggressive stance?

Being an angry contestant just doesn't seem to be a good approach to the Amazing Race. It certainly doesn't endear the team to viewers, the other teams, or the locals. It also seems to backfire toward the end. (Unless you are Flo & have Zach to drag you to the finish line, lol.)

I like the models, and Kimberly & Rob have also grown on me. Wish the Cho's would play, but I'm afraid that boat has sailed.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 7:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Regarding the BQs joke about the Chos. Sure, the BQs were making an attempt at a joke. But it was not just a bad joke, it was a bigoted joke. All bigoted jokes are attempts at being funny, that doesn't make them any less bigoted...

I find it interesting that the additional footage at the TAR website shows the BQs arguing, but that stuff never shows up on TV.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 8:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Regarding Flo and Zach...as negative and irritating as Flo was -- Zach was just the opposite. I think they balanced one another out well.

Where are all the Zachs out there in this REAL world?

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I know what you mean about Zach -- I wanted to give him the whole million and just send Flo far, far away with nothing to show for her nothing performance.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Nerohv, there's room under my chair when Karlyn comes.

And ditto on the Zach getting all the money and Flo getting sent to Syberia or wherever.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
The thing is, Dustin and Kandice are pretty, and there is nothing wrong with using your looks to get ahead. But they are NOT just counting on people to help "poor blonde me". They are playing the game smart, they are whip quick, and are really working to win this thing. They've not been running with any other team, and for that I give them lots of props. So they made a bad joke. There is not a person here, or anywhere, who can't say that they never once accidentally said something that came out sounding bigoted but wasn't meant that way. Ill-intentioned maybe. And if D/K were getting harrassed by others for using their looks, I truly don't blame them for making an ill-advised joke about the Cho brothers and papermaking.

I don't believe that Lyn and Karlyn will ever understand why they are not the most liked team ever. Even with Julie's pic above, I don't think they will recognize that their negativity just doesn't go far to making people wanna help.

I watched that bit with the cab a couple of times. Had I not liked them before, I would definitely not like them now. So what if they are in a race? The few seconds it would've cost 'em to wait wouldn't have affected them much. After all, weren't their partners in the six pack still there? Once again, they have helped to perpetuate the "ugly American" sterotype, and for that I will never excuse them. (Like the poor guy who they pushed aside at the cab stand cares if they are in a race. Is he gonna get anything? He barely even got a thank you or please from them -- the thank you seemed a throw-away afterthought.)

I am finding it interesting that I am liking Rob and Kimberly more. I thought for sure I'd go nuts with their bickering, but they really do seem to be a strong couple. Kimberly just amazed me at the cow lips FF. Even if I would eat meat (won't), there is no way I could've finished that challenge. And she's kept pace with Rob -- or even beat him -- so she's a strong competitor.

The reason why I think there aren't real bonds between D/K and T/J or even R/K is that, at least by T/J, D/K are recognized as being fierce competitors. Which they are. Both T/J and D/K have said they have an uneasy alliance when they are together, but that they prefer to separate as soon as possible. And I think the real reason T/J and R/K have a bond is that truly disgusting FF. Which is a tenuous bond at best.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 11:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
It's interesting that we can excuse a bigoted joke, but not the excitement of a race clouding one's judgment in pushing to the head of a cab ride. I wonder if there are people here who once in their lives pushed to the front of a line for reasons of their own? By the way, I do think there is a difference between a bad joke (one that is not funny) and a bigoted joke (one that is stereotyped and racist).

It just seems to me that we excuse the behavior of people we like, while using bad behavior of the people we don't like to just dislike them more. It's more like rationalization than it is objective. But that's part of the fun of watching, isn't it?

I think the BQs are running a very good race, they're smart, they stay on task and they work together well. I'm just not willing to give 'em a free pass for bad behavior. I think they've been quite arrogant with the other teams and I personally don't find that kind of behavior appealing.

I'm still routing for the Chos, or perhaps the models. The Chos have been a little less savy and competitive than I would like, but I like who they are anyway. And the models have done well, been tremendously supportive of each other, and had fun too. Neither of these teams have found it necessary to badmouth anyone else, so they get my votes, since I find good sportsmanship more appealing than winning.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
<--- agrees with Kar....100%

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
Lyn and Karlyn haven't given me anything at all to work with on liking them except that first comment about Forrest Gump (which I thought was kind of funny), and actually once you think about it, saying that Chinese people like Alabamans because of Forrest Gump is just as bigotted as the paper-making comment. I feel a little sorry for Lyn because I think she may be a nice, generally likable person who is getting steamrolled by Karlyn's forceful and highly unpleasant personality. When you think about it, a great many of the teams have made comments or jokes that SOMEBODY could take as offensive or bigotted. It's just that all the teams left except Lyn/Karlyn have had enough positive moments to more than balance out their negative ones for me.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
The difference is the women were told there was a queue (twice), pushed the gentleman away, and THEN in the cab tried to excuse their behavior. They knew what they were doing, and so did the Cho's.

I also don't think the joke was intentionally bigoted as just plain tasteless. And for that, yes, I'll give someone a pass. You can choose not to, that is your right and you are entitled to your own opinion.

FWIW, I didn't think the comment by L/K was bigoted when they commented on "boobs hanging out." I wear what D/K wear, all the time. I look much like them except for the blonde hair. I could've taken offense, but didn't. That comment, I took to be in the heat of the race. Pushing someone aside, who twice told them no, that's not in the heat of the race. That is my opinion, and I am entitled to it.

And if you are curious, no, I have never pushed to the front of the line. I've asked, I've begged, and I've pouted when sent back to the line. So if that was a point aimed at me, no, I have not. (There is a reason why I'm a Buddhist and karma, along with treating others with respect, is one of the reasons.)

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I've never pushed to the front of a line either. I'm usually the one that others push in front of, instead. Short of actually brawling with Lyn and Karlyn, there was nothing that that poor man could have done to keep them from stealing his cab.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
(please excuse my lack of originality Kep421)

"<--- agrees with Kar....100%"
ME TOO!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm happily ignorant of all this racist stuff. I honestly never knew that Chinese people had a reputation for being good with paper. Do they?

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
The Cho brothers are Korean. ;-)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Thanks. I haven't really paid that much attention to what their background is (you can decide if that is a positive thing, a bad thing or indifferent on my part).

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Would the Lyn's care that they aren't the most liked team? I didn't sense that they would.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 3:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Costa, my comments aren't directed at anyone in particular. Ever. They are sometimes responses to what one person has posted, that has provoked my own thinking.

It's just a hunch that I have, but I really do think that if D/K had pushed to the front of the line, they could have begged, cajoled and pleaded and had a better chance to get their way then the Lyns could. That's just the way the world works. Perhaps when you are competing against someone that has an advantage that you don't, you have to do what you need to in order to try and win? Just thinking out loud. The fact is that physically attractive people do get more breaks in life, and psychological research has vaidated that. At any rate, it's hard to imagine that any of the waiting customers were seriously damaged personally by being one more cab back in the queue.

Buddhism is an interesting philosophy, isn't it? Most Buddhists are kind to people who are abrasive, in the same way they are kind to everyone. They pretty much give everyone the benefit of the doubt. At least that's how I understand it. Right speech means not saying negative things about anyone, and always speaking only kindness. That's why I'm not a very good Buddhist. I'd like to be, but it seems to be giving up a part of my humanity, I think. Or maybe I'm just too lazy. :-)

And of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, that's what makes it fun, as I noted above!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
PS - Thanks AuntieMike & Kep. It's nice to be agreed with!

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 4:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
ITA with Costacat and Nerohv on this one. The only thing I wish is that the poor man had snatched her by the back of head and pulled her out of his cab and tossed her out on the street. IMO that was horrible behavior and I feel that even though they are on a race they are representing the US in these other countries and should keep that upper most in mind at all times. They can race the other racers and be as bad as they want to each other but they should never, ever be bad to the locals.

I also do not think Karlyn gives a damn what anybody thinks whether its this race or anything else.

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I have no idea if this had anything to do with what D/K said to the Chos about the paper-making, but I do know that a great deal of the handmade paper I buy for my paper-crafting is made in several parts of Asia. I love using handmade mulberry paper and the other kinds that have leaves, stems, and flowers made into them. I'm sure that the Asians who produce these papers don't make much, but by the time the papers get over here, they can be pretty expensive. Again, I have NO idea if that has anything to do with D/K's comment. But I also like the Mr. Ellie Pooh papers that are made from sterile, recycled elephant poop, so I could be very wrong LOL. Maybe D/K should have looked for a couple of elephants to help them with the paper-making task, instead!!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 5:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Nehrov, as I said in one of my earlier posts, I'd be willing to bet that the Lyns are just as RUDE in their REGULAR lives just as they are on the race.


Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 6:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I also think what you see is what you get with Karlyn any given day of her life. I have no idea what made her so bitter/hateful but she is. Someone should send her this quote from a Reader's Digest article I just read:

“The most beautiful thing you can give another human being is a genuine smile. Live your life by this motto and you will see wonderful results.”

Here's the link to the article. It might be interesting to have a link to discuss politeness.

http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2006/07/polite.php

The daughter of a friend of mine did her science fair project on "Are Smiles Contagious?" She was about 7 or 8 at the time and definitely not a 'pretty' girl type. She sat in the mall with her little notepad and for 15 minutes would look people in the eye, smile and say hello as they passed by. Then for the next 15 minutes she would look the passerbys in the eye and say hello without smiling. She did this experiment for about 3 hours. I don't remember the exact numbers but when Brandy smiled at people first she got many more smiles and warm responses than when she didn't. Go figure.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 7:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
You don't know her. You don't know how she is "any given day of her life"