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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 7:25 am
I thought it might be fun to create a thread to discuss some of the tough decisions that the contestants make on the show (or maybe they aren't so tough). For example, Lyn and Karlyn have received some criticism for not stopping and helping out the guys when they had the flat tire. Here you are seeing two of your obviously toughest competitors in trouble. Nothing dangerous but just bad luck with a mechanical failure. Do you stop and help, do you just quietly ignore them or do you celebrate that you may be one step closer to winning the race? And, why would you do what you do?
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Heyltslori
Moderator
09-15-2001
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 7:36 am
I would stop and ask what the problem was and if there was anything I could do to help. I'm a big believer in karma. I would never drive by without stopping to at least ask. (Unless, that is, it was down to me and one other team for the $million. Then I'd drive on by and thank my lucky stars.) 
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 8:05 am
Yeah... what Lori said.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 8:17 am
I laughed when I read the fine print!!! It's a tough decision. I think that I would stop but I might regret it later. I like the idea of karma and I wish that I were a stronger believer in it. Sometimes one can do good things and it doesn't appear to come back to help them. Or maybe it does in less obvious ways. Of course, maybe one shouldn't do something good because of karma - expecting something in return. Rather they should just do good for the sake of doing good? But then what about winning the million dollars and the good they could with that? Whew .... this is deep!
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Heyltslori
Moderator
09-15-2001
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 8:23 am
My thoughts on karma, Jimmer, are not so much that I expect something good to happen in return...but rather that I hope it somehow prevents something bad from happening. Probably sounds silly...but I do believe in it. So I would stop and see if I could help, thinking 2 things: first...that I would sure hope someone would stop and help if I was the one broken down. And second, because I think that me doing the "right thing" would somehow protect me from something bad happening later on. Like I said, it might sound silly, but that's the way my mind works! lol
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 8:34 am
I like your explanation of karma Lori.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 10:11 am
ITA with Lori
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 10:12 am
Really, What lori said in her 1st post. Especially the fine prints. At the time, Lyn & Karlyn wasn't near either ends any way. They could stop, offer anything they could, water, food, words of encouragement and/or phone from their production people. I would do all that swiftly and leave wishing them good luck since I won't know one thing about cars. Even if all that gesture could only ease my conscious and make them feel a tiny bit better, it's okay to drop from 5th to 6th. But if it was the "life or death" crunch, I'd just slow down a bit and tell them we are sorry, and pas with me would be calling for help for them.
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 10:38 am
lyn & karlyn were NOT the only ones who passed the guys by. and since the rules are if you're broken down they'll bring you a replacement vehicle. i'd DRIVE RIGHT ON BY!
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Marysafan
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 10:49 am
NASCAR racer Jeff Burton has a saying that works for me. He says, "I race people the way they race me." meaning if they pass him clean, he will pass them clean, if they bump him out of the way, he will do the same to them. So I would say, if these fellows had been treating me respectfully and weren't giving me any guff or ignoring my existance, then I would stop to help. However if they were being jerks to me...I'm driving on by. Karma is a boomerang...theirs as well.
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Kittyab
Member
07-16-2005
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 10:52 am
I still think karma is a boomerang! What goes around comes around. They didnt stop, and eventually they had vehicle problems too. I couldnt drive by and not stop. My conscience wouldnt let me. Of course I could loose the race do that lol!
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 12:19 pm
I remember what it was like when I broke down in the Lincoln (big, heavy car) and if it weren't for the fact that three teenage boys I didn't know ran up to help push the damn thing, I'd have been in trouble trying to get that car out of the way by myself. I wouldn't be able to drive by without at least stopping to see if there was anything I could do to help.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 12:38 pm
Please help and refresh my memory. Wasn't there a jeep accident one year and a cameraman was hurt and Rob and Amber just went by and didn't even stop, and even Phil (the host) was shocked by their actions?
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Suzsmarmie
Member
07-26-2005
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 12:58 pm
Ok, I know y'all are tired of hearing MHO on this, but again..my problem wasn't that they didn't stop; it was what they said as they drove on by. Even though the boys didn't hear it, WE did, and that mean comment just put them at the bottom of my list. They also made snarky remarks the week before. I think it's possible to compete and win (or lose) and still be good sports.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 3:17 pm
Grooch, one of the teams flipped their Jeep, yes, and Rob and Amber did drive past without stopping. The fine print in that scenario, though, is that another team (maybe even 2?) had already stopped to help, they were not life threatening injuries to the crew, and help and replacement vehicles were already on their way at that point. If they were the first one to pass and didn't stop, horrible. But someone was already taking care of it, so R&A didn't feel the need to slow themselves down on a situation that was already on it's way to being under control.
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Karen
Member
09-07-2004
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 3:30 pm
To the topic at hand, I would have stopped. As mentioned already, karma is a boomerang. This early in the race, unless you knew it was you and them fighting not to be Philiminated, it's just bad form not to stop. All they wanted was to borrow a jack. At the very least, they could have stopped, politely declined their request to borrow their jack with the "we don't have time to wait for you to change your tire, and what if we need our jack down the road?" excuse, and been on their merry way from there. If those Moms need a favour down the road, they're probably not going to find what they're looking for from the boys. I just saw the finale of Season 2 on OLN this afternoon, the one where Will and Tara lose one of their final clues in Hawaii. They ask both the remaining teams if they can copy the clue and the response from both teams was, "You've been nothing but mean to us the whole race. You want us to help you now? Who do you think you are??" Karma's a bizzle.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 3:30 pm
Hmmm let's see. I'm a woman who doesn't fix flat tires. I'm in a race for a million dollars. I know the production team will help them and get them another vehicle. I'm in a race for a million dollars. They're not in any danger and no one is hurt? I'm in a race for a million dollars. Hmmm, no I wouldn't stop.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 5:05 pm
I'm not good at fixing tires, either. I'd get in their way. Nope, I wouldn't stop. But, I would if they were sick or injured.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 7:41 pm
I wouldnt be of any help either but I would at least throw them some words of encouragement. then drive off and whisper..see ya suckers j/k
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 9:10 pm
I would have handed them my jack , said I'll get it later at the finish line, and then put my foot to the pedal to make up for lost time.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 3:04 am
If I were in that exact situation, early in the race and being in the middle of the pack, I would absolutely stop. For one thing, I'm assuming it was evident there was a flat tire, I would know something else had to be wrong wrong if two big, strong boys were not just slapping that spare on and getting back on the road. It would only take a couple minutes to find out what was wrong and know if I could help or not. And, the boys did try to get them to stop for a second so they had to figure they needed something. I've watched every clip and episode available and have not seen those two boys be mean or disrespectful to anyone so that can't be it. I totally agree with Suzsmarmie though. It was not that they started to stop, then started to leave and then started to stop and then took off; it was their snarky comments. They appear to have some kind of chip on their shoulder problem cuz they snark a lot.
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Suzsmarmie
Member
07-26-2005
| Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 9:24 am
ROFL, Pamy...even see ya suckers would be better than the "peace, out screw you" said after not even stopping to throw words of "oh, we're sorry".
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 10:56 am
I would have demanded konashark pull over and help (see, when we do TAR, he'll be doing all the driving and I'm the navigator - we've already discussed this). This early in the race, it's good to make friends and support eachother when you are in the middle of the pack. The goal is not be LAST, that's all. Doesn't matter if you are 2nd or 5th or 8th, as long as you aren't LAST. We now know that there are tons of bunching opportunities so time is really NOT much of a factor anymore (until the final 3 or 4). 'squeek'
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Llate
Member
08-21-2006
| Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:05 am
i wouldn't stop unless it was someone in my alliance. from what we have seen, the models are not in an alliance with the single moms.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:38 am
They get a replacement vehicle and they're out there with a camera crew, so they're not alone. I'd just stop long enough to say I hoped they'd get help soon, or something, and then take off. Well, of course, I'd be happy to have a competitor lose time.
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