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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 5:05 pm
There was not even a hint or suggestion from the Chos that other teams were wrong. They simply had a three way alliance and a promise to help each other to final three, if possible. They stated that FOR THEM, money comes and goes but friendship is the important thing. As for Chip and Kim, as I remember it, Chip on his own would have been like the Chos all the way and he often jeopardized their chances by helping other teams, even without an alliance. I remember at some point Kim was shown telling us that she had to step up and convince Chip that this was a RACE! And then they did more racing and less helping. They said they are the way they are because their mother taught them to be that way.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 5:34 pm
In my opinion, I kind of agree with Nero. All the "I'm a nice person" comments sometimes seemed to imply that the others were not nice. Like you can't both race to win and be nice, at the same time. There is a world o' difference between being helpful and acting stoopid (stopping and waiting, I don't care how long, for a competitor to catch up is a good example). It's a race, and it was obvious that L/K were not gonna reciprocate (notice how L/K just took off when they shoved the local gent outta the way at the cab stand, and left the Cho brothers just sitting there). BTW, it's now starting to offend me. The way L/K call D/K the "barbies."
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 5:38 pm
I think people need to do what they think is right; and what they themselves can live with. While I wish they had used their own resources to race harder, that's just not who they are. Odd that they would then enter a race, I suppose. But I still admire them for sticking to their own principles, and finding those principles more important than winning. I think that's an amazing thing, and they have their priorities in perfect order.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 5:46 pm
The only thing that bothers me is the implied suggestion that the others aren't nice, simply because they want to win. We can argue about D/K but I don't recall T/J doing anything negative?
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 5:51 pm
Well, the Chos (to my recollection) never said I'd rather be nice than win. They only said they had made a promise to the sixpack to go to final three. They didn't even complain about the Lyns breaking that promise, they just offered it as explanation for their OWN behavior. They didn't want to break their promise, it was the way they were raised. I don't get how people are saying that for the Chos to say they kept their promise (or were nice) means that they were putting everyone else down somehow. Heck, the BQs are always patting themselves on the back every time they win a leg or best someone else in the race, and how they're smarter than the other racers, blah blah, and many people say that's okay. In fact, they get complements for being good racers. But somehow the Chos get called out for saying they kept a promise they made? It seems a crazy crazy world to me. I have to confess I don't quite understand.
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Dke1212
Member
07-13-2005
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 5:53 pm
I didn't get that from the Chos at all. I can't remember any time they implied others were wrong or not nice because they were trying to get ahead. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 6:05 pm
I can't recall specific comments verbatim. However, if you say something like "we won't compromise our principles to win", there may be an implication that those who are winning may have compromised themselves in a way that you refused to do. I guess it is all a matter of how it is said and what the listener may read into the comments. As much as I can tell from the show though, the Cho's seem to be wonderful guys and I wish them all the best!
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Dke1212
Member
07-13-2005
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 6:23 pm
"we won't compromise our principles to win", I guess I don't see that as a comment on others principals...only theirs.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 6:27 pm
I think Mary/David were simply saying they would not "do anything" to win. Some teams are so competitive they would do anything and everything to win, and I think Mary/David were recognizing they weren't that type of competitor. They were simply saying they weren't willing to do things they considered "not nice" in order to win money. That doesn't mean they are saying others ARE doing "not nice" things.... I don't remember Mary/David putting any of the other teams down or accusing them of being not nice. Oh..BTW...BQs = not nice. JMHO
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 7:37 pm
I was gone (NZ and Australia) for quite a lot of the beginning of this - and other shows - but on Survivor when they were doing the "schoolyard picks" for making the four teams into two, Flicka picked "the sistah with the dreads," and I don't remember anybody getting bent out of shape about that reference! Just sayin - Perhaps I should also mention that I refer to my close black female friends as "sistahs," and am called "sistah" in return - and their kids call me "auntie."
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 7:54 pm
I liked the Cho's right away mostly because it's evident that they are very sweet, kind, gentle intelligent guys. But they also were pretty bad at running the race. This race isn't suited for kind and gentle souls. I'll miss them.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 8:10 pm
I'm not picking on the Cho's specifically. They seem to be about as nice a pair of guys as you could ever be fortunate to meet. And I think they are sincere. However, in general the losers on reality shows often make comments that they wouldn't compromise themselves for the sake of winning, with the clear implication being that the winners or the people who went further in the game may have compromised themselves to do so. LOL – And they may well have, but not in all cases.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 8:43 pm
Jimmer, that often is true, but I just don't think it applies to the Chos, and not to ALL who say that they realized they couldn't play quite as hard core as others I hope the Chos Karma site takes off.. it has a long way to go but I love their ideas.. and they are soliciting ideas for random acts that cost $1000 or less.. things like giving out umbrellas on a rainy day or paying for a certain number of tolls. I wish Rosie would have them on, but she is off this week for the holiday. I just think she'd like them and of course they would come fully endorsed by David and Mary. Oh and that last part. Not sure if it even requires that they cannot compromise themselves by doing something negative or against other teams or locals but and example I come up with was with Chip and Kim where Chip not only couldn't be rude, but he had a hard time not being overly social, like the time when they delivered something in Africa and the folks asks them to have some tea with them.. LOL.. I know he was conflicted and yet the people must have known that they were helping out with a RACE so probably would have understood. Anyway, I did watch the Early Show segment with the Chos today and don't recall them dissing anyone.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 8:47 pm
I agree you do get that attitude from a lot of reality show competitors, I didn't get it from the Cho's though. It sounded to me like they had decided to play that way before they even got in the game, and they simply carried it through. It annoyed me but I think that's just who they are, no judgements. We might see more of what they really were thinking in the post race interviews though, and I might change my mind!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, November 20, 2006 - 10:14 pm
Oh yes, I spend way too much time shouting NO!!! when they would wait or hesitate...
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 8:47 am
We are all entitled to our own opinions. As I said, when someone constantly says things like the Cho brothers did, it makes me think there could be an implied yet hidden meaning. Whether they are conscious of it or not, saying things like "we ran the race as nice guys" implies, to me, that others did not. As for T/J, I cannot remember whether they ever did anything that was not nice to other racers. I would also argue against D/K doing "not nice" things when they took advantage of the ticket agent (when T/T passed by an open agent). The boat thing? Really, again, an opening appeared and they took it. If L/K hadn't been futzing at the dock, and had been ON the boat, D/K couldn't have snagged that boat. Just sayin'. My opinion.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 9:42 pm
Costacat, ITA
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 9:43 pm
Costacat, ITA
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 4:14 am
Chili, what are those pictures? All I see is a pesky red "x."
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 4:24 am
Lexie_girl, I don't know what happened. When I previewed the message the pics were there but when I posted it they showed up like that. Let's see if it works this time. I was trying to give Costacat a big wave.
  
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 4:25 am
I see what happened. I used copy and paste instead of upload 3 times. Copy and paste shoulda worked I would think but it didn't.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 8:58 am
<costcat waves madly back at chili!> D'ya know? I just realized how close we are to the end of this season! I mean, we are down to only four teams left! Yipes! This season has shot by about as fast as 2006 has!!!
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 10:18 am
I'm sad that TAR is almost over -- I love this show so much. I was tickled to see the cute model boys win a trip to the Dreams resort in Puerto Vallarta -- I've been there! It was July 2005 and I took my 3 year old. We went for a wedding. I had always wondered if the trips they give away were really luxurious or just your average trip. I would say this is a trip that even average joe's like us can afford. It is a lovely resort, not huge. It is private, yet close to town. It was not snooty, but very comfortable. I'd love to go there again. My DD loved the swim up bar where we'd get virgin daquerie's and soak in the pool.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 11:02 am
I'm actually glad its nearly over, and thankful it went by kinda fast. This year didn't tickle my fancy for some reason....I didn't get a team to root for until late in the season, and then they got booted. Oh well...next season should be better!!!
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Flint
Member
10-04-2000
| Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 9:08 am
I am really enjoying this years show. Probably because I am seeing it the day after it airs for the rest of you. I am sad to see the Cho's go. They stuck to their guns. Not many would. If I was in a car with them I would have been meaner than 'Bama and smacked them a few times. Dunno who I will cheer for to the end. 'Bama could have been more loyal. Is anyone watching Amazing Race Asia?
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 11:33 am
Hey Flint! Amazing Race Asia Azriel is also watching, but I'm not sure if anyone else gets to see it.
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Flint
Member
10-04-2000
| Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 12:23 pm
Hi wargod. For some reason they show it in Asia. ;)
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Wargod
Moderator
07-16-2001
| Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 1:53 pm
Haha, Flint. I miss seeing you around the board.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 7:02 am
I am so stoked that Sunday - and TAR! - are finally here. That darned football game thingy that messed me up last week better get on and OFF in its allotted time this week - although I will be watching live instead of taping!!
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 2:57 pm
Yeah, and as this is the final four I anticipate a non-elimination leg - either this week or next week must be, as the season finale is on the 10th. Can't believe it's nearly over already!
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