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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 2:38 pm
...and that is why I question if he has any other delays/disabilities other than his hearing loss. He does not seem to act his age, which I think is 25. It is not the actual act of crying (like someone above mentioned) it was his "It's too hard for me" attititude....
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 2:42 pm
Hey ... we're having fun, Gurliegirl! 
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 2:52 pm
From the get-go in their first season, I have loved the GT's! I thought to myself - these are MEN who know who they are. I have seen nothing since to make me re-think that opinion. Does no one else have the wonderful visual of them dancing around in a country lane? And whichever one of them said "Oh, my gravy!" in the basketball game really cracked me up -
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 3:03 pm
Upthread there was a comment of comparing lukes crying in the tea task to the guys on the mens teams who lost their games in basketball (ncaa tournament). to put that comment in perspective, that would mean to have the basketball players crying during the middle of the game because they were struggling (tea task was about halfway) and not after the game was over. Luke cried twice during the show (tea task and at the finish), i didnt care for him crying during the tea task and the constant "it's too hard" but i have no problem at all with him crying at the end when they were eliminanted. Thats when your emotion comes out after you've put your heart and effort into the task at hand. other comments upthread vixsyn- i didnt care for her melt downat all a couple of episodes. thought was being ridiculous. christina- i also dont care for her "daddy, daddy, daddy"
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 3:18 pm
I think Christina has to work hard to keep her dad on task. Ron gets quite distracted at times.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 3:20 pm
I'm so glad the team that left is finally gone. I didn't like them the first season and I liked them at least at little this time. Sorry. Christina's face when the truck almost hit their taxi was hilarious. The GT's joke last night was great. I wish they would win, but I doubt they will. For the life of me, though, I have no idea which one is Flight Time and which is Big Easy. I'm guessing Big Easy is the taller, darker skinned guy, but that's always just a guess on my part.
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 4:36 pm
I didnt judge Luke becasue he was deaf .... I dislike his whiney attitude and his tantrums .... he acts like a 2 year old sometimes. he is too old to be acting like that. If he is just deaf, than he needs to step away from his mother .... she is holding him back from growing up and being independent. Marlee Matlin is deaf and she went out and persued her dream to be an actor when she was in her 20's and she succeeded. Margee needs to let him grow up. WHen your kid is having tantrums at the age of 25, there is no excuse and the deaf card should NOT be played. I also didnt like this team from the 1st time they did tar ... they got a little nasty to other players, and that shoving incedent didnt go over very well with me. that was just plain poor sportmanship. Like someone up thread said... everyone has helped them and given them the clues... they never really had to do anything for themselves this time around. Everyone kept giving them the clues .... they may have been eliminated sooner if they hadnt had help. Problem this time is that there was no way to cheat with the tea comp. jmo
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Dke1212
Member
07-13-2005
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 5:35 pm
I'm just glad it wasn't a non-elimination leg last night. I jumped for joy (in my head) when Phil said "I'm sorry to tell you, you've both been eliminated".
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 6:45 pm
my friend thought Luke should have been better at the task than the others because he thought if your deaf you other senses are heightened. I dont think thats true since some deaf people wear glasses.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-24-2003
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 7:28 pm
Pamy, I think that is said about the blind. I've never heard it (I don't think) in reference to the deaf.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 7:43 pm
I thought it was sweet how the men at the tea room started cheering for Luke to finish the task. All the teams have quirks that irk me but Luke & Margie just seem to get on my nerves more so I'm glad they're gone. Cut the apron strings Marg! So glad Herb and Nate are still in it! Anyone else notice that the teams weren't mobbed in any way like they have been in past seasons in India? It seemed like there was more security this time around. Go Cowboys!
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 7:47 pm
In their first season I could not wait for Margie and Luke to be gone. I found nothing pleasurable about watching them. But until the tea thing last night, they were not nearly as annoying to me as in the past. And even with Luke's melt down there are two other teams I would have rather seen go before L/M. Did it seem that if they picked up a cup they had to drink it? Mallory and I would have had it out right then and there when I would have told her to take her damn nose out of the cups. I didn't get the sense that there was any rule against Luke bringing a tray to the stage. The only stipulation seemed to be that he had to drink the cup and he did that. Who didn't want to see the Globe Trotters in the school bus? They would have had to ride on top. I cringe for them in the back seat of some of those taxis. This is the best TAR in a long time. Now I need my hit list to get eliminated.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-28-2004
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 8:34 pm
Luke and Margie weren't so bad...Luke was just a big o' momma's boy. She has probably done everything for him in his life, so he hasn't developed coping skills because momma could fix everything...and probably to his and her detriment...she did. We've all met those guys...
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 8:39 pm
Gurlie, no worries about us. We're like siblings these days, we can disagree strongly and still be best buds. Bottom line, I think people who are differently-abled are often misunderstood. People say that it's not about the disability, but my experience, having worked with people of all kinds of disabilities, is that it often is. People who are disabled face so many challenges, that we don't understand, and yes it can be more difficult for them to 'grow up.' So my experiences do absolutely mean I give them the benefit of the doubt. I've come to realize that unless you have lots of experience, or are disabled yourself, you have no idea. I thought I got it before I started this work. I really had no clue, and I'm still learning. I know many people like Luke, of all ages. It's really not fair to compare him to a Marlee Matlin. That's like saying all of us without disabilities ought to be as accomplished as Bill Gates. There are exceptional people with and without disabilities. We're not all going to live up to 'exceptional,' so it's really quite unfair to hold out one exceptional and disabled person, and say "see, she made it, why can't he be amazing too?" We're all different, and we all handle adversity differently. That goes for people who are disabled also.
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Nickovtyme
Member
07-28-2004
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 8:48 pm
Which is something I was wondering about, and even asked my wife...did Luke really understand what the challenge was or what he was supposed to be doing? We never seen a moment where he read the clue or anyone explained it to him... I, personally, all momma's boy kidding and sarcasm aside...on a deeper level...got the feeling Luke didn't quite understand what he was supposed to be doing or how the challenge was set up. That's not me trying to make excuses for him...its the absolutely blank, uncomprehending face he made...every time he looked at the camera. Yep, we seen him taste the tea...but did he know what he was suppose to be tasting it for? I dunno...all things considered and maybe I'm niave...but I just don't think he knew what he was supposed to doing during that challenge.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 8:54 pm
Kar, I find your experience working with the disabled very interesting. One of the more recognized and famous disabled Canadians is Rick Hansen. He is a gold medal Olympic wheelchair athlete, he wheeled around the world to raise awareness and he is an accomplished motivational speaker. I think he is a wonderful guy but strangely enough he has received some criticism from the disabled community for setting an unrealistic standard that most disabled people can't possibly reach (similar to the Bill Gates analogy that you used). It's hard though because many disabled people don't want to be treated differently and you're kind of suggesting that they should be treated differently.
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Whoami
Member
08-02-2001
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 10:19 pm
Maybe rather than treating them differently, we just need to understand them differently. Does that make any sense? I can't comment on Luke's behavior during this episode, as I still haven't been able to watch it. But maybe he vents his frustrations in a way we interpret as immature, because he's unable to vocalize his frustrations the way the rest of us do. While the other racers can scream, cuss and call the locals stupid and stuff, he has to basically pantomine his frustrations. And whereas he may break down and cry, it seems to be over his own shortcomings and inability to complete a task, rather than on how its all someone else's fault he failed (cab drivers, etc).
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 10:51 pm
Speaking as a dual disabled person (spinal & partially deaf), I remember the days when we disabled were pretty much shut out of the job market. Been there, done that. The ONLY reason I passed the City of Seattle physical (6 months after starting) was because a doctor had compassion. 19yo Mail Clerk messenger doesn't need acute hearing. I failed the hearing machine test (instant firing) but the doctor stood across the room. "Mary Had a Little Lamb". My first name was Mary and I lipread. Many years later I retired after 31+ years. BUT, if at 25 years old, I had flopped down on the floor doing a crying tantrum screaming "Too Hard, Too Hard!" -- NO WAY would I have held a job in any capacity! Needing Mommy to come console me, they would have hauled me to the closest exit. Given that Luke's immaturity and inability to manage his frustration, has now bumped M/L out of not one but TWO TAR races, I hardly figure it's simply because people 'don't understand him'. They gave him a 2nd chance, but the Dude & his Mommy haven't matured enough. Have doubts they ever will. His last season, I started out rooting for Luke, then when he kept knocking down the black sisters like a bully, he lost my support. Now seriously glad to see M/L make an exit. He's an embarrassment to some of us people with disabilities just struggling to show our worth.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 10:59 pm
Whoami: Maybe rather than treating them differently, we just need to understand them differently. Does that make any sense? I can't comment on Luke's behavior during this episode, as I still haven't been able to watch it. Whoami, you probably should watch the episode to get a better sense. A temper tantrum at age 25 is less pretty than a temper tantrum at age 2.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 11:09 pm
Tisha, Big Easy is indeed the taller of the two and larger. That makes it easy for me. And I appreciate that Jet wears the black cowboy hat 
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 11:24 pm
Why would Luke not understand the task? All of the clues are in writing and Margie can also use sign to communicate with him. In fact in some instances that could be an advantage because she could give him information without anyone else getting that info. I assume he read the clue, Margie read the clue..
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Colordeagua
Member
10-24-2003
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 11:37 pm
Thinking about Mike's tears regarding his father Mel, those were emotional -- not I-need-my-daddy tears. So Luke was frustrated and turned to mom Margie for comfort. Encircled in Mom's arms with her patting his back, those were I-need-my-mommy tears.
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Monday, March 28, 2011 - 11:56 pm
A lot has been said about M/L. I said what I had to say WAY upthread. No hate from me ever, just confusion. I have no frame of reference to a grown man acting like Luke did. I don't condemn them. They are who they are. I understand the argument that we can't know their lives, so we shouldn't judge them harshly, but they signed up not once, but twice, to be on national TV competing in a pretty grueling contest, both mental and physical. IMO, that takes some guts...but you have to take the good with the bad. I hope M/L learn from this experience. They must be nice, fun people, because just about every team seemed to like them...and yes, help them in the early legs. An unpopular team would not have gotten help from anyone. I bet they've made some good friendships, which may be pretty valuable as their lives progress beyond the AR.
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Whoami
Member
08-02-2001
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 2:15 am
OK, I finally got to watch this episode. After reading the posts here, I was really expecting to find him flopping to the ground on his butt, maybe a bit of foot stomping, maybe his arms folded across his chest as he holds his breath till he turns blue until he gets his own way kind of thing. I guess I must have a different interpretation/definition of a tantrum, cause honestly I didn't see one in Luke. I saw an extremely frustrated young man who was probably more devastated in the idea of letting his mom down than anything. But then, since I went into the episode expecting much worse than I saw, my perception might have been a bit skewed. Was his behavior normal for a 25-year-old? Probably not. But he's not the only one who cried at that challenge, or previous challenges as well. He just comes across to me as an overly sensitive person who wears his heart on his sleeve. I don't know that his disability has anything to do with that, except perhaps exacerbate it. Is Margie an overprotective enabling Mom? Probably so. But I found her very supportive this time, and she was the one who encouraged him to not quit. An overly protective mom would have found some reason for it to be okay for him to quit that task. I also think that if he was as bad as everyone here had me expecting, the locals wouldn't have been as supportive of him as they were. And as was already pointed out, the other teams wouldn’t have appeared to be as fond of them as they seemed to be either.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 6:06 am
I played with a deaf kid as a child. He lived on the next block. We all played in the street. (It was the 50's, everybody did it). The only difference between him and us was 1. He lip read, we didn't. 2. We heard cars coming. He knew before we did because he could feel it through his feet. 3. Our parents called us in. His parents called a parent on our street who then told one of us to tell him is was time to go home. There was also a family in the church with 6 children, 3 who were totally deaf. I don't remember them being babied or treated differently by their parents.
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