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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 7:18 am
Kar - I love how you tried to explain putting yourself in their shoes with using the parents on the horses - there is no way to explain that each individual is different, there is no way to explain that I in no way believe that Margie is "hovering' I do understand why the majority feel that way - they have a mother/child relationship that I applaud! There is no way to understand all of Luke's complexity - there is no way to explain what its like to be deaf.... how do you learn to read? "sound it out"... what about deaf? I've worked with the young deaf kids, teaching them to read. I've worked with hard of hearing kids, and due to their lack of audio input, their output (writing) is skewed... they dont talk in sentences, like hearing people do.... we read and think in complete sentences (for the most part) deaf people do not, ASL is more image communication... so when a deaf person reads, it is a struggle. The majority of people believe that they chose to go on TAR twice, they knew what they were getting into - and there were no (on camera at least) provisions (like Margie being next to Luke in the tea challenge interpreting for him - for instance, all the other people are talking while they are tasting - but Luke doesnt get that advantage, but if Margie was a good Helicopter mom she should have insisted that Luke be on the same playing field as hearing people ) (and no, I dont believe that - I'm just upset that I'm unable to communicate a culture in which there are as many differences as any other culture. Luke wasnt the best example of a deaf kid any more than Marlee Maitlin is - and personally having met Marlee, I dont like her, dont care for her, she is a mean person.)
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 8:04 am
I just finished watching Sunday's episode, and am commenting without reading the thread... I absolutely hated how Luke acted during the tea challenge. I think he understood how the challenge worked, was getting feedback (encouraging) from his mother, yet insisted on acting like a spoiled child and stopping to cry. Did he think they'd give him a pass? I don't know. But while I understand his frustration in not getting the tea correct, he's old enough to learn how to express his frustration without acting like a child. That said, I absolutely loved the Globetrotters this episode. First the trick they played... which was hilarious! I had to rewind to catch exactly what they said when they started it! And then the determination to finish the tea task (because giving up and taking a penalty cause their elimination last time). I'm not sure how much ahead they were of M/L at the pit stop, though. I'm still NOT a fan of Ron. He spent most of the Ganesha task whining. And when he wasn't whining he was commenting on things with a very definite whining subtone (as if he was trying to cover it up). That man needs to grow up also. He was on TAR before and he knows how things work. Mallory. OMG. That girl should put a cork in it. I now firmly believe that it's all fake fake fake. The jumping head toss when she learned they were going to India? Huh? And the constant shrieking. Cork it Mallory, it's not amusing. LaKisha/Jen. Not the sharpest tools, yes? Trying to find the Snapple factory? Pretty much everyone else figured out to open the bottle to find the clue. I'm surprised these two are still in the Race.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 8:11 am
On a lighter note, I found it kind of cute and amusing that Luke cursed. (Well, cute is not quite the right word, but I can't really think of the right word.) (I don't swear and don't think I've ever found it cute or amusing. I'm also not judgmental about it, if others swear, it doesn't usually bother me. ... It was surprising to me that a deaf person would swear, would use those words the way a hearing person would.)
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 9:55 am
An interview with Luke and Margie: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Amazing-Race-Margie-Luke-1031191.aspx They were drinking tea for four hours, and think they were about half and hour behind the globetrotters at the end.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 10:37 am
Wow. I don't remember the last time I read this many posts! Out of all the responses, i did fine one line that expressed what I would have wanted to say... We're all different, and we all handle adversity differently. To me, everyone is individual and we all will run into people like Luke, or Bill Gates or Obama or your 2nd grade Teacher or a 3 time felon... what i am saying is that there is good and bad, smart and not so smart, nice and rude, mature and immature, in every so called "group" - regardless of age, disability, income class, ethnicity, etc. And so people with disabilities should not be threated with any more sympathy or given lower expectations than any other person - after all not every disabled person is the feel-good oprah story just like not every 18 year old black male is a thug... in reality, if you strip away the labels, it just comes down to each being a person, who has been shaped by BOTH personality they are born with and the culture/immediate community they grow up around. Is Luke's immaturity partly due to his disability in terms of how he was raised? Is it because of his parents? Is it because he is from a generation that seems more and more immature? Is it where he went to school or how his friends act too? There is no way to know what factored to his current personality. Yes, some people with disabilities have more difficult times learning to read or write or in their social skills etc, for various reasons expressed in other posts but that is not the case for all with disabilities, or all who are deaf etc. But we can find the same discussion if we were talking about kids in lower class communities who may have just as difficult of a time learning to read, write or learn the social skills we expect of they dont have the right support system around them. I always hated Luke's quick frustration and ability to give up in other episodes - but I hate that with ANYONE i meet because I have high expectations for people - and like i said earlier, I did think the difference in this task and others is that Luke did finish it even with all the emotional feelings that appeared to be getting to him - and maybe some physical ones if all the throwing up stories are true...
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:01 am
If there was a lot of throwing up I'm surprised they wouldn't show it or at least reference it. It would emphasize the difficulty of the task, it's dramatic and they haven't been the slightest bit squeamish about showing a lot of throwing up in other tasks in previous episodes. Why not this one?
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:09 am
Maybe the difference is that I don't find Luke 'immature', I find him 'expressive.' While others show their emotion by breaking glasses and it was clear that Flight Time was frustrated and pissed by his expressions and actions, Luke showed it by crying. We only saw a few minutes of a four hour challenge, it's a big leap (to me) to judge him immature by a few minutes out of four hours. Ultimately, the people who knew him best, and who witnessed the whole thing spoke very highly of him.
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Carmenv
Member
04-14-2006
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:11 am
Legalboxer...that was so perfectly articulated, and EXACTLY how I feel, too, only I don't think I could have expressed it quite so eloquently. 
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Carmenv
Member
04-14-2006
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:13 am
Jimmer - in the interview, Luke stated that he just felt really bloated. I didn't get the sense that he ever threw up, and he drank more tea than anyone. So maybe there wasn't any throwing up as has been suggested???
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Txhazeleyes
Member
02-12-2008
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:13 am
The link posted above with the interview with M & L specifically asked him if he got sick and he explained he just felt a lot of bloating.
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Txhazeleyes
Member
02-12-2008
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:14 am
Like minds, Carmenv.
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Carmenv
Member
04-14-2006
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:15 am
Karuuna - my only point would be that this isn't the first time we have seen Luke act this way. Yes, we only saw a few minutes of a four hour challenge, so it would be quick to judgement based solely on that. But we have seen several incidents that suggest Luke's immaturity, so...I personally think it is a fair assessment.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:25 am
You know the difference to me in Luke's frustration is that he kept expressively wailing or whining for his Mom. This is exacerbated by his being deaf and the fact that he is louder and more expressive as a result. There is something about a grown man whining to his Mom that doesn't sit well with me. I'll be the first to admit that the above reflects my personal bias. After all, it's hardly the first time that someone has whined or moaned to their partner. So I'm re-thinking my position on this.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:25 am
I do have to admit, that I have not seen the previous season with Margie and Luke. And timewise, have only gotten to watch about half the episodes this season. So I was relatively unfamiliar with Luke and quite honestly thought that not only was he deaf, but I thought the young man was also mentally 'challenged' to some degree. So you can imagine my surprise, to discover in this discussion that it seems to all boil down to a case of immaturity. FWIW, the only one's I am familiar with are the Cowboys (love 'em!) and maybe the Goths. ETA - I do stand by my original post though, where I said that I was very moved by how kind the GT's were to Luke, and by the Indian gentlemen who made him feel like a Champ once he completed the task. Kindess anywhere, anytime, is always a good thing.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:36 am
Being involved with a11y and having dated "disabled", I'm pretty sensitive to how different their lives can be and how they are treated. I'm sorry but I blame Margie for Luke's lack of maturity. It appears he never really had to learn to stand on his own, since he so easily fell into the crying to mama bit. I know it's probably harsh, but parents can do their kids the most harm. Granted, I've not been a fan of M/L since about 1/4 of the way thru their original season. But I don't really think I'm biased. If he hadn't dropped to his knees sobbing in the middle of the challenge, I might have thought differently. But that dropping to knees thing smacked of a child having a tantrum and I'm sorry, but he's old enough to know better than to throw tantrums in public. Or he should have been taught that. Of course, all of that is my own opinion.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:40 am
Perhaps this is niggling, but when do these people go to the bathroom! 4 hours of drinking tea and no bathroom stops! If I were stuck in a cab for any length of time afterwards, I would be in big trouble.
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Merrysea
Moderator
08-13-2004
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:41 am
We don't know if he dropped to his knees in the middle of the challenge or after three and a half hours of doing the challenge. From other things I've read (I think after the first time they were in the race), Luke has been on his own for several years. I wonder if his actions would have been perceived differently if he was racing with a friend, just as I wonder if smashing the teacup would have been perceived differently if Zev was racing with his mom.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:54 am
Smashing the teacup was just plain wrong.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:55 am
Mallory emoting is just plain wrong. lol
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:56 am
Well, we know where going to the bathroom got Jen and Kesha a couple of years ago!
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:05 pm
Yes Doc, ITA, the teacup smashing was out of line. I not only thought it was wrong, but disrespectful to the country and the place they were doing this leg of the race. You do NOT willfully destroy someone else's property. They are GUESTS in that country. THAT was very immature behaviour to me!
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:25 pm
<slowly backing out of the thread>
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:26 pm
There was a team that got a penalty in one country for kicking something (I can't remember what) that was a national monument.
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Holly
Member
07-21-2001
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:27 pm
Just reading this now and learning that Luke is gone. Yeah! I can start watching again now. This is the first season I've ever missed ANY episodes. I simply cannot stand that guy and don't care for the mother either, so gave it a pass. I don't know why but they just got under my skin--big time.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:32 pm
This is interesting and something I didn't know about Luke: Current Occupation: Motivational Speaker (Margie is a nurse.)
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