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Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 7:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Was it here that there was an article posted "Did Adam Lambert kill American Idol?" I remember reading it and it was talking about how Adam was such a different and exciting performer that all others are going to pale next to him. In some respects I can see how this is true. Nobody seems to generate nearly as much buzz as Adam did last year...like him or hate him he was definitely the center of attention (I liked him if we are stating opinions).

It seems to me also that a lot of popular music that is being put out today is kind of lackluster...a lot of the voices that get a lot of radio play seem rather wimpy to me (with of course some exceptions like Kelly Clarkson). Less emphasis on vocal ability and more on mixing ability...not a huge fan of current pop music. But I'm old so what do I know...LOL!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 7:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
By the way, just my opinion, but I thought Brooke actually stayed on key and sang better than Justin, but I think the big problem was that their vocal quality just did not match and it was a very poor pairing.

They should have watched Tuesday's Glee and listened to how well the characters of Rachel and Jessie blended on Hello...her harmony was spot on - as her vocals almost always are.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Current "popular" music is for the most part terrible. I listen to mostly indie artists. TPTB are perpetuating terrible music on the radio and that's why I hate them. Luckily with the internet, YouTube, etc. you can forego the major labels and their mind numbing ways and go directly to the music that moves you. AI is so dated and they are forcing these kids to sing dated songs. It annoys.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
But how can Glee make old music so current while American Idol just beats the death out of the same old songs? I love Glee because they are doing songs I remember, but their spin on them is delightful.

Part of the problem with the American Idol people for me is that they feel no emotional connection with their songs. They are just parroting them. This music just doesn't touch them. Perhaps that is maturity?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
This conversation runs along the line of the thread I started a long time ago called Why Isn't the Talent Better. The biggest problem is that most of them just aren't very talented. Oh sure they have some talent and some of them can even sing on key. But they generally don't do that much with the performance. Very little wow and imagination. Though to their credit, I think they have done a little better with that the last two shows. Before that it was awful.

Keep in mind that these twelve people were selected out of thousands and that was the best that they could come up with.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
I dunno, probably a lot of the Glee actors are Broadway trained and they approach songs so differently than AI does. I really do blame the producers for making the process seem so stale. A lot of the music these kids probably listen to isn't even represented on the show. Kids (I say that cause they are mainly young) listen to better stuff than we give them credit for.

I don't blame them for coming up with some bad intepretions of Elvis songs. Call me blasphemous but I don't give two hoots about Elvis his music is boring to me. If these kids were making the music that touched them they wouldn't be forced to do covers of songs that they don't connect with. The creative process is stifled for them, and that's why artists are always locking horns with record companies.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think the theme nights are a mistake. I know they do them to try to keep it interesting, have a mentor and have some cohesiveness to the performances but it just doesn't make sense from an artistic standpoint. There is no way that it is useful to have performers singing stuff that they wouldn't normally sing. It doesn't tell us anything about the performer.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
ETA: Now the really talented ones ARE able to take crapola and make lemonade, like Crystal, sometimes Lee, sometimes Mike. I guess that separates the wheat from the chafe. But I would probably not buy their music, as the style is not something I like.

I dunno--the show, if it stays on the air needs work.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
I get really tired of seeing Adam Lambert's tongue and that wail he does when he's singing.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL - Guess you're not a Mick Jagger fan either.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
No, or Kiss.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Jimmer said: "Keep in mind that these twelve people were selected out of thousands and that was the best that they could come up with."

So during the eliminations of Hollywood week, the judges kept saying "this was the best crop of singers ever." I wonder if they are still thinking that!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Or Steven Tyler, Escapee? (Me? I do him any time any where... even a dark alley! LOL!)

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 9:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think Crystal's biggest issue is that she makes it look so effortless. She is born to be on a stage and therefore it just flows from her. I think Siobahn has the potential to be a performer, but right now she is forcing it. She did better when she was relatively unknown. Casey is a bar singer and guitar player...and way hot. If he had the stage presence to match his looks he would be formidible. But his personality is just so laid back that it is hard to envision. Lee has the vocals but he again is kind of a quiet person on stage. Big Mike is a big ole guy but I think he suffers the most from this type of contest. This is not how he would prefer to be singing, I'm guessing. Aaron is a pop guy...cute kid but not that dynamic and quite frankly I'm not that impressed with his voice...but he is exactly what seems to be out there in the pop world today.

And I don't know what to think about Tim...LOL! He is a force of nature with the young voters, apparently.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Now, I love Aerosmith, don't get me wrong. However, watching that tongue sticking out WAAAAAAAAAAAH thing drives me insane!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
LOL!!!

Jimmer, I think the theme nights are intended for us to see whether the contestants can actually do something other than that which they are "known" for (if, in fact, they have a style). It can also let the judges know if the singers can do anything outside the box. Adam pretty much nailed any genre that was thrown at him. Singers like Katie can't. Younger singers, like Katie and Aaron, can't even look at a song book and pick out the song that would be "right" for them. Crystal did. She knew exactly what song to sing and she nailed it. Andrew picked a hard driving song and turned it into a ballad. Mike picked a lovely song and then slowed it down so much it turned into a yawn fest.

Roxi, I think both Lee and Casey are better as lounge singers. I don't see either of them really bringing the "it" factor to stage. Yeah, they are sorta cute. But sorta cute ain't gonna sell records unless you've got the chops to back it up.

Sadiesmom
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03-13-2002

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sadiesmom a private message Print Post    
I don't know if anyone was born to be on the stage besides Judy Garland, heh. Crystal is one of the more mature contestants and her band has has success in her region, so she knows how to perform. This year Idol has backed away from Uber experienced performers, not that it ever had novices - that was the exception rather than the rule and those people usually failed quickly.

What is missing here is the lack of experience of performing on TV - now, in the past, some idols learned fast how to appeal to the TV monitor - they studied and worked at it, none quite so much as Taylor Hicks, who turned it into an art form.

As to comparing Glee to Idol - well, Glee is professionally choreographed, filmed and edited and the singing is auto-tuned (not that they all need it, some just can not sing but are actors). Not comparable. The idols do not have a large number of choices of song, they cannot control the length of the song, they get like 90 seconds to leave an impression, they have only 2 weeks to work on the arrangement with limited time with musical assistance for vocal coaches and arrangers.

Adam seemed to be off on the vocals a little last night, although miles better than this years crop. I would prefer it is he just sang and stopped with all the gimmicks. It is almost as if these effects throw him off a little, he gets distracted by the bells and whistles like many super stars who just can not sing need to perform.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Roxip,sorry but in this situation I ever so respectfully disagree with you. I feel the duet with Brooke and Justin did not work, with the fault lying with her. WHY? Because any good duet/collaboration means working together, exchange and interchange. My take was she tried to powerhouse her way through the vocals and OWN IT. She forced Justin to be little more than a backup singer and that was just WRONG IMHO!

Even when it was his turn she would jump in too soon and sing over him. PLUS she was definitely off key several times. I felt it killed the song, the duet, and his opportunity which was really unfair. And when she sang she didn't look to him for polished exchanges of vocals. She just wanted to take over and shine. It really bothered me, if you can't tell lol.

Sadies, sorry but gonna disagree w/you too lolol. And here things have gone pretty well today so I'm in a pretty ok mood lol, but hopefully we are all just sharing different viewpoints. I thought Adam sounded amazing last night. Plus he put on a cutting edge laser show, and in today's business good or bad a killer stage show can really make someone. While he showed us he can sit in a chair and blow us away last year with Mad World, a "star" is now for the most part expected to have the Wow stage factor. I think he proved he has it last night in addition to better vocals than many out there today.

Now don't get me wrong. If I want to hear music for my soul, I'll happily listen to John Denver, his guitar and his most amazing instrument his voice. No flash needed. That said, in his heyday he had cutting edge stage shows and virtually invented the music video and use of them at arena performances!!! Bells and whistles have always been part of the game, esp today IMHO.

But I loved Adam last night almost as much as I disliked Brooke! As always, JMHO FWIW! :-)

Jeep
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10-17-2001

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 1:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jeep a private message Print Post    
Lurk, I agree with every word you said.

And after last year's Idol, I find these singers bland. Some are good, I know, but no body stands out for me. As far as I am concerned, it will take a miracle to top last year's top 5 and finale.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
LOL...Okay Lurk, we'll agree to disagree on point 1, absolutely can sit together on the loving Adam's show last night couch and I'll come over anytime you want and listen to John Denver albums. One of the greatest losses to music in my generation in my opinion. His songs were sheer poetry and filled with a before-your-time love of the environment in which he lived.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
So let's pretend that the top 24 was a mix of this season and last season's contestants. Is this year all that bad compared to last season? Adam aside, who from last season would finish ahead of this year's people. Maybe I'm losing my mind but I can barely remember anyone other than Adam from last season.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 2:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
For reference since I couldn't remember.

2009AI

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Allison had a great deal of personality and a huge voice and Danny Gokey had a good story and a better than decent voice...I would compare him to Lee only I think Danny had a bit more stage presence (and Lee might have a better voice). Kris...hmmm...still haven't figured out how Kris made it all the way to the end but I do like his new single. Matt G was a lot more talented than most on this season, IMO.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 3:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I think Allison would kill all the girls except for Crystal. I'd love to see those two in a head-to-head contest.

None of the guys really did anything for me last season, aside from Adam. Both Scott and Danny had "good stories" but I just don't think a good story a good idol makes. I thought Anoop was just awful (I'd put him right there with Andrew, at the bottom of a "must see" list). I thought Matt had potential in Hollywood week but he never really did what I hoped he would. Ditto with Alexis and Megan.

So I guess, really, aside from Adam, this season's crop is just as dismal as most of last season's.

So I guess Adam really IS the American Idol killer! :-)

Kittystj
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08-10-2001

Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 4:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittystj a private message Print Post    
I was not an Adam lover, found him too screechy, but must admit he did a great job helping the contestants. I have not been impressed since Clay, and for me has the most perfect pitch and voice...I could listen to him for ever.
This year the kids are not as polished and professional as last year, when many were already performing.,..as was Adam..