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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Telling someone that you disagree with them doesn't take away their right to express how they think.

Anyway, we are treading into the area of telling people what to post and that is against the TVCH rules. So let's just keep it about the show and continue with a fun and interesting discussion.

Thanks.


Carmenv
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04-14-2006

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmenv a private message Print Post    
I have to agree with Lurknomore on this one...and your thoughts were very well stated, by the way!

Prisoner, I missed the distinction between "musical ability" and "musical taste" and I apologize for that. However, whether you enjoy listening to him or you don't, I still firmly believe that - if Tim wasn't as cute as he is, he would have gone home by now.

Like Lurknomore, I think there is a huge "tween crush factor" at work here!

But as Jimmer said...that is all part of what the business is about. A combination of looks, talent, marketability...all of it.

I don't think it has anything to do with who is right or wrong, I just find it interesting that every season there is someone like Tim that hangs on at the expense of more talented singers simply because of some intangible factor that makes them appealing to a certain demographic.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
"That makes them appealing to a certain demographic" who will spend the time voting to ensure said person stays in the competition. :-)

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
I include the "crush" factor in musical taste. For tweens, the crush factor is no doubt part of their taste when it comes to music; that's why tweenage artists are so cute. Taste is extremely subjective and can include anything you want. However, since I'm not a mind reader, speculating on why people vote for Tim or Aaron over and of the others is little more than mental masturbation. All I can point to is the data, which says in the past, the tween factor has not factored into the final winner. Otherwise David Archuletta would have beaten David Cook. Perhaps it allows some people to last longer than they should, but I don't see how it has affected who won the show.

IMO opinion, of course.

I never said Taylor Hicks sold more than Daughtry; in fact, I said quite the opposite, that he was outsold BY Daughtry and Kellie Pickler, and that Daughtry had far more #1 hits than Hicks. I said Daughtry was the exception to the Idol winner doing better than the loser rule. If you don't like the data in Wikipedia on that, then refute it. Each number there has a citation.

Lambert may be "slaughtering" Allen in sales, but his numbers are quite low in comparison to other Idol albums (Carrie Underwood's first album has sold ten times as many as Lambert's). Hardly a runaway success. (And Allen is gaining on him -- based on the numbers above, Allen's sales increased by 22% last week while Lambert's increased only 9%.)

And Jennifer Hudson's Oscar was an acting award, not a singing award; her album sold less than half of what Fantasia's initial offering did. Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood have both won Grammys. *shrug* You believe what you want to believe. I don't think the data supports the idea that the winners of American Idol do worse than the losers.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
The thing is that it is rarely only about singing talent. Just look at so many of the incredibly successful performers over the last fifty years (not in Idol but throughout the industry) that in all honesty aren't exceptionally good singers.

Uncle_ricky
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07-02-2007

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Uncle_ricky a private message Print Post    
Totally agree with Cathie about Mike and how he comes across on stage. To me it's your garden-variety cockiness. It was interesting to see all the scowling he did from the time Ryan announced he was in the bottom two until it was time for him to sing for his life. When he learned he was safe, he resumed thumping his own chest instead of taking a reflective step back to show the audience and judges his gratitude for being saved. It would have been nice to see him express a bit of humility, but I don't think it's in his nature.

Two contestants have to go home next week. I won't be surprised if Mike is one of them. I wonder how much chest-thumping we'll see when it's time for him to finally get eliminated.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 2:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Prisoner, true an Oscar is an acting award. BUT guess part of the confusion may be how we are measuring "success." Is it units sold? Dollars earned?? Critical success (an Oscar is pretty darn good on that front, and I'd assume she has earned a good deal of money from that and anything she has done since).

That brings me back to it being a complicated mix of factors. I don't think you can just look at record sales, or any one factor, and say that is what makes an artist more successful. I personally feel it is blend of all of them.

Of course Hollywood and the industry being what it is, if we had to choose one measuring point, I think it would likely be bottom line earnings for all work done. I haven't found any list of Idol's records on that, and doubt it's out there.

And of course there is one more factor to consider...at least I know I have. I find it interesting that over the years SO MANY Idol winners have had problems with what their contractual obligations were with 19, and didn't like what they were forced to record. We've heard that theme over and over again. And based on that lame song they make the winner sing each year, that alone speaks volumes to me. And it is a fact that the runners up have far more artistic input in their career direction. Again based on years of complaints, and the fact that anyone fresh out of Idol is working to establish a career (not just have one fast hit album), it seems like an important factor to me.

Well at least one thing I hope we can all agree on is that you don't have to win Idol to have an instant career, and a very successful one. All I know is from what I've seen, I feel those coming close to winning but not winning have been happier in their careers and have done quite well a great many times.

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 3:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
One point about Tim: if the judges think he's so awful, well, they are the ones who put him in the Top 24. They've eased up on him and rightly so IMO. I didn't watch his audition but there must be some reason they chose him to be in the mix. IMO thus far no one has gone home who shouldn't have except maybe for Lili. And it's not like that has anything to do with Tim. I think he'll flush out at the right time--god willing (lol).

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think that is an excellent point. The judges rag on some of these contestants and even question America's judgment in keeping them on the show when the judges were the ones that put them there in the first place!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Jennifer Hudson's awards (Oscar, Golden Globe, SAG, BAFTA) were for her role in a MUSICAL. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have gotten the role if she didn't have the pipes. Just sayin'...

She also won a Grammy.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
From Lurk's earlier post this afternoon: And who was it that had the lawsuit to be able to get out from under Idol's creative thumb?

Actually, it was Clay Aiken who sued and got out of the contract. My memory is a little futzy and snarly after all these years, but this is how I remember it. Clay found out that TPTB denied him the opportunity to be in a commercial because it was for a competitor of one Idol's sponsors. Don't quote me, but I think it might have been Pepsi. Clay alleged that they denied him the opportunity to make money and Idol said the winner can't work for a competitor of a sponsor. Clay said "I didn't win." BOOM... case over... the judge ordered Idol to let Clay out of the contract.


Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I agree that you don't have to win Idol to be successful. And even comparing all the past winners to each other makes me shake my head.

Why is it so important?

Miley Cyrus has sold more records than any of them. I think if she auditioned for Idol she'd never make it past the first round. :-)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That's a great example of my earlier point about how many successful singers aren't exceptional singers. Miley is one of many. Look at Rod Stewart or Bruce Springsteen or Mick Jagger. All hugely successful and entertaining but not exceptionally good singers.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Can I throw Madonna in there? Hugely successful, great show, vocal? not so great. But, it's the show that make Madonna, Madonna.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Lexie, that's really interesting. Once you posted the info, I remembered a situation with Clay. So I could well be confusing the two.

BUT, I'm almost positive that there was a legal situation with Kelly as well. I think it had to do with her management or label, but am not certain that she was still under Idol's thumb. But I do recall it took her a looong time to go back on the show, and I recall Simon taking some pot shots at her, which was notable since he had been such a fan of hers. So this may be a 2nd issue or maybe it was just a problem she had not associated w/Idol. Either way, your good memory proves the general point I was trying to make so thanks lol.

BTW, let's not forget that Tim was a last minute addition to the show when the legit finalist (who was quite good as I recall) had an expired recording deal and the person was threatening them w/a lawsuit and there wasn't time to clear it up. This is new enough I do remember it well lol. It felt like the other guy got a super raw deal and they never did really explain how they chose Tim. But seems to me the lost quality for a tween fav. Pretty sure I've made my feelings on that pretty clear lolol

Nyheat
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08-09-2006

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nyheat a private message Print Post    
Oh right, that Chris Golighty guy. I just watched his youtube, a lot like Justin in Season 1. Eh, nice voice I guess. I prefer to watch Tim gaze into the camera and croon "Earth Angel" any minute now.

Ok. I have decided to take up Tim's cause on the internet. I am now on Team Tim. I imagine him holding a surfboard on the beach with three other mop-headed dudes. I picture him taking Marcia Brady to the prom. I imagine him playing Ted Bundy as an adolescent in a cheezy Lifetime biopic.

team tim
.................................Team Tim!

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
LOLOL NY!!!

And I'm literally ROFLMAO here. I finally figured out what is with his hair. It's Justin Beiber meets ANY of the 1970's Osmond Brothers!!!!!

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 7:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
I keep telling DH, Tim Urban BELONGS on the Disney Channel. I'm not being sarcastic either. I think he's every bit as cute as any of those boys on that channel, and I like his singing a LOT more than Miley Cyrus (talk about singing thru your nose--as someone mentioned about Siobhan above). JMHO, of course!

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Friday, April 09, 2010 - 9:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
I see him on the old movie "7 brides for 7 brothers". Disney would be perfect too.

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
I will join team Tim also. Count me in.

Dke1212
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07-13-2005

Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dke1212 a private message Print Post    
I'm late to this, but I wish they wouldn't have used the save on Michael Lynch. That guy is so full of himself, I can't stand it.

They should have saved it for Lee or Crystal, if needed.

Maineiac
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08-24-2009

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 4:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maineiac a private message Print Post    
ITA Dke. I wasn't crazy about them saving Big Mike.

Lee and Crystal in the final!!!