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Carmenv
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04-14-2006

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Carmenv a private message Print Post    
Prisonerno6 - I completely agree that people have different musical tastes, and I absolutely respect that, but...do you REALLY think that is why Tim is still around? That someone is actually prefering his musical ability?

I'm not being facetious here, just wondering.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 7:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Tim is around because some people find him entertaining and enjoy watching him perform. And that is what the business is all about - entertainment. For example, there is no denying that some of the greatest singers are Opera singers but how often do any of us attend an Opera and how often is that shown on network television?

Justfun
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11-08-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justfun a private message Print Post    
I agree with Lurk that it may not be in the best interest to win AI anymore. The only real successful winners have been Kelly and Carrie (did I miss anyone?). All of the others successes have not won the competition. Regardless of who our favorites are, they are getting the exposure they need to further their career....hopefully.

I was and am a Ruben and Taylor fan and totally agree with what Lurk said. Maybe they would have had more successful careers if they hadn't won....or maybe not. Who knows?

My favs are Crystal, Big Mike and Lee.

I think Siobhan and Casey are talented, but not my up of tea.

To each his own That's what makes the world go 'round, right?

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
That is exactly right, Justfun. For my taste I don't get all the Lee love. I can barely remember who he is from week to week because he just doesn't impress me. I thought Mike was a good save but I don't think he's the winner. I just thought others should have been gone before him.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
I didn't say his musical ability -- I said musical taste. I suspect most people aren't voting on ability, most vote on taste. Tim is very bubble gum pop, and there are a lot of people out there who like pop, as evidenced by the success of kids like Jason Bieber and the Jonas Brothers. His rendition of All My loving was cute, as was his smile. Some people like that. Some don't. Does he have the greatest musical ability? No, but then, neither to a *lot* of successful performers. But he sold that song this week, and that's what makes a successful performer. (For example, I don't think Diddy is that great a singer, but he really sold his performance last week!)

I want to make it clear I appreciated Adam's talent last year -- I just didn't like his singing style. I just find it insulting for people to assume that people didn't vote for Adam because he was gay. It's just as likely they didn't vote for him because they didn't want to listen to him.

BTW, if the tweens have all the voting power some think they have, David Archuletta would have won Season 7, and we would have listened to David Cook this week. What was wrong with Archuletta's breathing? Does he have some respiratory problems? He was audibly inhaling hard, even during his interview with Seacrest.

Escapee
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06-15-2004

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
LOL, David Archuleta reminds me of that kid on Malcom in the Middle with the way he talks, the one in the wheelchair.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
He had partial vocal paralysis when he was younger and never had surgery, that I can recall, and I think that's why he sounds the way he does.

I know lots of "tweens" and though they watch the show, they don't vote. Most of the voters I know, are older.

I totally agree with you, Prisoner.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Even though Mike isn't up there with my favs this year, there is one thing I find so cute about him. His cheeks and tongue are so fluffy, that you never see his teeth when he sings...LOL

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
(BTW, since everyone seems to agree with me, I think I should just pick the winner. Casey it is! ;-)

Justfun
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11-08-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justfun a private message Print Post    
Interesting about David A. I was wondering about him too, Prisoner. I thought he had asthma or something. I did not know about the partial vocal paralysis. He had a great performance!

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
His (Mike's) cheeks and tongue are fluffy? LMAO!

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 9:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
All of the others successes have not won the competition

David Cook's album was pretty successful. Peaked at number 3 and went platinum. Ruben's first album was also a number 1 album as was Fantasia's. The only non-winners who have done better than them were Daughtry and Clay Aiken. Most of the top selling Idol alumni albums were from the winners of their seasons.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Idol_alumni_album_sales

Season 1 winner: Kelly Clarkson sold more albums than anyone else her season.

Season 2 Winner: Ruben Studdard, right behind Clay Aiken for tops sales

Season 3 Winner: Fantasia Barrino sold more albums than anyone else her season.

Season 4 Winner: Carrie Underwood sold more albums than any other Idol alumnus

Season 5 Winner: Tayler Hicks outsold by both Daughtry and Kellie Pickler his season (By a BIG margin with Daughtry)

Season 6 winner: Jordin Sparks sold more albums than anyone else her season.

Season 7 Winner: David Cook sold more albums than anyone else his season.

Season 8 Winner: Kris Allen outsold by Adam Lambert; neither have a platinum album.

So I don't buy the "it's better to lose than win" argument. The only season where there is a huge difference in the record sales of the winner and a loser is Season 5 with Daughtry and Taylor Hicks. Ruben is right behind Clay in record sales. Last season is too close to call IMO; neither album released by the top two did great. Every other season the winner has sold more albums than any other contestant that year.

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 9:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
I love David Cook.

And Prisoner, I'm okay with your selection for winner :-)

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
I never saw all the David Archeleta "love" in his season. Not my type of singing. It appears to me that he still has the issue of being uncomfortable talking with people about what he is doing. I saw that in Season 7 and 2 years later it is still the same.

Justfun
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11-08-2005

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justfun a private message Print Post    
now I know why I usually lurk instead of participate on boards....back to lurking....

Cathie
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08-16-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 11:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cathie a private message Print Post    
I haven't seen anyone else post this, so maybe we are
misreading him, but Big Mike comes across as too cocky to us. When he gets any negative comments from the panel (usually Simon) he just smiles and shakes his head. I am imagining him thinking he has it all in the bag. If so, maybe laat night was a wake-up call for him.

Also not getting all the love for Lee (but I totally accept that others will love him like I do my favs). He sounded off key to us this week and we were expecting low marks from the judges.

Favs right now are Crystal and Casey.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Oh Justfun, you lurking is no fun for the rest of us!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
That's very interesting, Prisonerno6. Winning Idol isn't so bad.

I didn't realize that the winners were so comparatively successful.

So I don't get them inviting Adam back so soon as a mentor? Even though I am an Adam fan it seems a little odd to me and kind of a big slap at Kris.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
He might be busy right now. :-)

http://www.krisallenofficial.com/us/events

It's even more interesting when you look at the #1 songs, Jimmer. Daughtry still has far more than Taylor Hicks, but it turns out Ruben had more #1 hits on the Billboard charts than Clay. I just don't see the numbers supporting the idea that someone who loses Idol will do better than someone who wins.

I think what happens is the exception (Daughtry) is *so* exceptional it stands out in our minds. Also, the Ruben/Clay rivalry among fans was so contentious that either side tends to remember that which puts your guy ahead, where in reality, in terms of success they are as neck and neck in real life as they were on Idol.

Jgalt
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02-17-2009

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jgalt a private message Print Post    
I agree with what prisoner said on the previous page. People should be allowed to have their likes and dislikes. People should be allowed to have things they don't approve of, for whatever reason. I don't like the color orange, you may love the color orange, it doesn't make me right and you wrong, it's all subjective. We have to go back to freedom of speech and thought.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Well sure. But there is nothing wrong with wondering/asking why someone likes something. It is a discussion board. :-)

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
Prisoner, sorry but a lot of what you are saying seems quite contradictory if I'm understanding your various points correctly. On one hand you say to allow for different tastes, which I will absolutely agree is ONE factor. I just feel as in most things in life there is more than one thing that is responsible for outcomes. Seldom is anything totally black or white. But then you say it's just musical taste, which rules out that tween crush factor (where hair and cuteness is what gains fans NOT their musical taste). And that's where I feel you are missing a HUGE market. For decades, first with Bobbysoxers, then Bubblegum and now tweens, that market has been HUGE. Just look at early Miley Cyrus and now Justin Bieber.

So if that has been a proven industry factor for years, I feel it naive to think it won't factor in Idol. Most especially given how votes are counted. As I said in an earlier post, I see tweens voting for HOURS and most adults for far shorter periods of time. To me that's just common sense, but whatever.

Two last points on this topic. First, forgive me but I never accept the Wiki as gospel, and I see a lot of facts that look quite off. Plus it's rather unclear how the facts are listed. No way Taylor Hicks has sold more overall to date than Daughtry (or done better in live performance revenue). Has any Idol done better than OSCAR winner Jennifer Hudson? And who was it that had the lawsuit to be able to get out from under Idol's creative thumb? Wasn't it Kelly Clarkson, and didn't all her real success come after that??!! I know Idol has had a complicated history, far more than those brief Wiki figures show. And Wiki is only as good as the person who added them, since it is fan based. I'd love to see total income earned per Idol from record and performances. That would be far more accurate. Wonder if that info is out there anywhere?

Second, sorry but no way do I believe that Tim and Aaron aren't still in Idol due to the tween "oh he's so cute, I love him" vote. That's not personal taste in music...it's a crush. Period!

So while you are certainly entitled to see it your way, I still see it my way and am even more convinced I'm seeing it correctly.

Now ALL that said, Just...LURK NO MORE lolol...please participate!!! Many here respect opinions regardless of if we agree or disagree. But since we usually agree I esp would appresh (to quote Jeff from BB) you hanging around lolol. Besides, you are part of my support team to remind me to vote for Big Mike. I need ya!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 1:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sorry but I think Adam is slaughtering Kris in sales:

Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (9,000, +10 pecent, 587,000/77,000 digital total)

Kris Allen, Kris Allen (3,000, +22 percent, 291,000)


Those figures are (weekly sales, percent over last week, total sales).

So nope, Kris ISN'T the real winner of AI.


ETA: Daughtry has sold MILLIONS!!!

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
LOL Jimmer just saw your post....EXACTLY! Isn't the point to share our different viewpoints here (which often disagree lol)??!! I still say, like most things in life, many factors contribute to most things, which means we all can be right without others being wrong.

Anyway, my point in posting was to share my opinion, not prove it's right (and others are then wrong). I just don't see it that way, but JMHO. Shrug! And JGalt....my confusion w/Prisoner is I was told it's not the tween factor but personal taste. And also that I'm wrong about winners not doing as well as those that came close but didn't win on Idol. So how is that allowing for different viewpoints if I'm told my opinions are all wrong?? LOLOL