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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 10:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, I know you don't want to believe that VFTW has any influence but I read one article that pointed out they get something like 4 million hits a day, it isn't a little backwater site. And Howard Stern certainly is heard by and influences many people. I don't say it cinches anything but I do think it can be a factor. Then you add in the teenagers who have way more time and patience than manyh of us for pumping in massive numbers of votes. And clearly he's getting tons of name recognition because of coverage on virtually every talk show and of course fox news, especially with Crying Girl.

And of course he definitely has other fans, real fans like Naja, it isn't just the gimmicks..

Jordin is my current pick for overall talent AND performance.


And of course we all have our opinions, but the reason I think it sucks that one person after another is leaving instead of Sanjaya is that I'd personally rather see and hear them and I'm sure they'd like more exposure, no matter what has been the fate of previous non-winners. Exposre, training, opportunities. They don't cry for someone going home because it is a good thing, right? If the order didn't matter, we could have just voted the first week, LaKisha would have won and they could all go look for deals. Oh, right, with each week things do change. Melinda has risen, now Jordin's doing real well. Haley was written off and now people seem happy she is still there. And they only have this chance if they are still there.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 11:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
I know Sanjaya will not be the next AI; I'm saying he could be in final 5. Melinda, Jordin, KiKi & Chris R shows range and versatility.

I will continue to enjoy Sanjaya's talent; that's me.

Aahlife
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08-06-2005

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aahlife a private message Print Post    
Sorry, but Peter was lip synching. If words are not matching lips, the song is pre recorded. It was quite blatant. If you have his performance recorded, check it out. I am not saying he is a bad singer, I think he desired the safety net, after what happened to Diana Ross.

I am from an era where singers lip synched to their records routinely in performances, that was normal, not scandalous like it is now, and I am an old hand in watching how skilled they were in matching their lips to their recordings.

Mak1
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08-12-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 2:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mak1 a private message Print Post    
If this competition was only about the singing, it could be done on radio instead of tv. It would be interesting to see how the votes would go then.

SOUL PATROL, NAJA!

Stormie
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03-01-2007

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 5:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stormie a private message Print Post    
I want Melinda to win, but it looks like with the vote for the worst site, Sanjaya has a chance. Even if some of his votes is little girls who like his hair, he's not the best singer, he should be gone already.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 6:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
The only ones to blame if Sanjaya wins are the judges. They never should have moved him to hollywood, they did it for good tv in the auditions. The classically trained sister versus the brother with no training, so they pick the brother with no training.

Hobbs
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08-05-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 6:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hobbs a private message Print Post    
Come on people! This happens every year. Remember Carmin? Camille? Nicky? Scott? I believe they put these people onto the big stage to get a buzz going. To get ratings. They love VFTW. They love Howard Stern. Do you think anyone at AI every thought Stern fans would watch their show? Well now they are. Sanjaya most likely won't win this thing. As people are voted off, a lot of their votes will go to the power voices. They always do. And next year, we'll all be complaining about some other contestant. The trick is to predict when Sanjaya will go. That's how to get the big points in the poll!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Kevin what's his name? The redheaded guy from a couple of years ago? Hobbs is right, this happens every year. We all pick contestants to love and then there's that endearing contestant that the majority think isn't that good but keeps hanging in there...

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I know it happens every year, but I have a sinking feeling about this one.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Although I have kind of sneered at VFTW in the past, I am starting to see where they can be a problem for sincere fans and truly affect the outcome of an entire season.

VFTW can't single handedly push a contestant a long way into the competition. That was demonstrated by the elimination of Antonella and Sundance.

The key to VFTW working successfully is they have to select a contestant that has polarized the viewers. He or she has to at least be perceived by many to be bad enough to be a credible choice for VFTW but he or she also has to be popular enough with some people to get real votes as well. They seem to have found that happy (or unhappy) niche with Sanjaya.

I understand Naja's point when she says, so what if a contestant goes home a week early because of this. It's only one week and they would have been eliminated the next week anyway. But would they be?

Sea also makes a good point in saying that it may not be one week. There have been contestants that have been in the bottom two and then gone a long way in the competition. For example, if I remember right, both Ruben and Fantasia were in the bottom two at one point and then went on to win the entire competition! As a true fan of the show, I agree that it would be a real shame if a deserving contestant like Ruben or Fantasia were eliminated in an off week, due to a margin of VFTW votes.

Before someone questions what I mean by a "deserving" contestant, I mean someone that is getting their support from fans who truly like him or her. For example, Sanjaya is clearly a deserving contestant when he is getting Naja's votes, but he is undeserving of the votes he is receiving from VFTW people (at least from the point of view of a true fan of the show).

Hobbs
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08-05-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hobbs a private message Print Post    
Well said, Jimmer.

I do think the AI producers love this stuff. It gets people to watch that normally wouldn't. And in the end it is all about ratings. Nothing more.

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
<<For example, Sanjaya is clearly a deserving contestant when he is getting Naja's votes, but he is undeserving of the votes he is receiving from VFTW people (at least from the point of view of a true fan of the show).>>

I agree

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
He is a deserving contestant for the people voting for his singing abilities, not for the people voting because he is "sweet" "Cute", etc.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 9:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I like Sanjaya, he seems like a sweet kid. I wish him all the best. I am disappointed that he is still there though. I don't want him to be there for several reasons. I don't want him to be crushed, humiliated when he finds out that he received a lot of votes because people thought he was the worst. Another reason that I am disappointed that he is there is because I want this to be mostly a singing competition. I want the people in this competition to have amazing singing voices and also to be able to perform on stage in a great way. IMO, Sanjaya showed that he has a good voice (sometimes at least) in his audition. Would he have made it without the sister factor? Maybe. I do think his voice was that good. However, until he performed this week, his performances were weak, not fitting of his age and not very appealing. Also, his singing voice just wasn't nearly as good as anyone else in this competition. IMO. This week, his performance was good. But, he was singing The Kinks You Really Got Me and that song doesn't have much musical quality in the vocals.

I like him. But I am frustrated that he is still there because of the reasons that he is still there. I am interested to see his affect on this show, for now and in the future, and I think he is generating a lot of attention for himself and the show (not that the show needs it). But, I feel as if I'm just waiting for him to go and then the real show can begin in a way.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I know, Maris. Me, too.

The judges put people thru who have no business being in the top anything, for the amusement factor. And then that person makes it to the top 12 or top 10 and goes on the road tour. This year, if Sanjaya makes it to the finale, there WILL be changes with how the judges bring people thru in Hollywood. Mark my words.

And no disrespect to Sanjaya, but do you really think the AI folks are gonna wanna produce a record with him? And stick with him for one year? I dunno about most little 10 year old girls, but I'd bet they have little discretionary income. They are NOT the target demo for this show. With Taylor's less than stellar album sales, there really hasn't been an "idol" since Carrie. And really, Kelly and Carrie are two idols who've earned their awards.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I heard/read a rumor that Simon said if Sanjaya wins, he will not be a judge for AI next season.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I never got the Taylor hicks bandwagon. I thought Chris Daughtry should have won that AI. The record producers will make their money anyway but the problem becomes if someone like Sanjaya wins this thing, the reputation of AI will go down a notch and if they dont put the breaks on that sort of disaster happening again, it will turn into a Gong Show,

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
If Simon thinks Sanjaya is all that bad, then he shouldn't have allowed him to go through in the first place (and I'm sure he could have stopped him if he wanted to, regardless of Paula and Randy).

As I said earlier, I liked Sanjaya's performance this week better than all of the other guys except Blake. Different tastes I guess or sadly maybe the other guys are really bad.

Just to clarify my earlier comments, IMO Sanjaya is deserving if fans are voting because they like his performance (which like it or not includes appearance). He is not deserving if they are voting based on VFTW or voting out of pity.

I thought that everything Chris D. sang sounded the same. The best singer on AI5 was Katharine. Although he wasn't as good a singer as Katharine, I still liked Taylor's performances.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
"I'm sure in the same way a three-star Michelin chef was looking at the people who make McDonald's hamburgers and saying, you know, 'These people are terrible.' But I'd rather be McDonald's than the three-star Michelin chef," Cowell says. "Genuinely. I would."

As long as Sanjaya brings in the money, Simon couldn't care less. He couldn't care less. It's a business.

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
Sanjaya could have a huge career if he wins...On the way of Hanna Montana, Ashley Tisdale etc. There is a huge market for the teens. And all their income is discretionary income.

Hobbs
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08-05-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hobbs a private message Print Post    
Hanna Montana, Ashley Tisdale? Boy am I out of the loop. LOL.

If the producers don't want somebody in this thing they can easily get rid of them by "adjusting the votes due to voting irregularites."

Don't be fooled. They LOVE this.

<<Hobbs is waiting nervously for the AI police to pound on his door for giving away their secret.>>

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
Lol Hobbs, I never heard of them either. Is Hanna Montana any relation to Joe Montana????

I think they do love it and they will orchestrate Sanjaya's departure if he gets too close to winning this thing.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Hannah Montana is the stage name of Billy Ray Cyrus' daughter. It's a hit tv show on the Disney channel.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
That's my thinking too Big. We may not see it that much because we're older and a lot of posters don't have pre-teen or teen kids but these kids are buying cd's and they're using their own money to do it. Dakota's 8 and she can certainly earn enough money with chores and allowance to buy her own cd's and often does (she found out pretty quickly I take mine back, lol.) Most of the kids I know are the same way, they earn enough in allowance and odd jobs to spend their money how they wish, they might have to save up, but if they want it bad enough that's no problem.

Kelly, Ruben, Fantasia, Carrie, and Taylor have all done pretty well for themselves. But, they weren't marketed for the whole AI audience they were marketed towards their fans and there's no reason at all Sanjaya couldn't be as well if he by some chance won this season. Instead of marketing him towards country, r&b, or whatever else the past idols have been marketed to, this year they'd have to market towards mostly kids with money burning holes in their pockets. Looking at my own kid, and crying girl, lol, if Sanjaya put out an album, I could see them doing extra chores to get the money to go buy it.

Wargod
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07-16-2001

Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wargod a private message Print Post    
Hannah Montana (Miley? Cyrus) is HUGE! It started out just the tv show last year but now she's got out at least one cd and tours for concerts, she's a big hit here. Disney channels had a few movies out the last year or two (Cheetah Girls, Cheetah Girls 2, High School Musical) that they've put the cd's out for and kids are snapping up. Dakota's always right on top of when they're coming out, lol. Now there's a new show, Naked Brothers Band? and I'm pretty sure they'll probably have a cd out.