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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't know whether to laugh or not over this one. Oh well .....

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
The best thing that could happen to Antonella is she gets out now before making the Final 12, so she can host Girls Gone Wild. I was under the impression that the contract "tightens up" the further along you go in the competition.

I do have one thought on this whole its Antonella's boobies in the pictures, but she would never DO THAT with acrylic nails issue. I wonder if the other contestants know what is going on about this. I was thinking this morning that the contestants are probably pretty much shielded from the media at this point and maybe the only people that have discussed this are Antonella and TPTB. I could be dead wrong and they all know about it, but I was wondering if there is a possibility that none of the other contestants know about it other than Antonella and TPTB.

Discuss amongst yourselves.



Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Fox News Idol report on the Frenchie/Antonella situation just a few mins ago. Even a clip with Rosie O' was shown.


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Maris
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03-28-2002

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
a little more on the Frenchie vs Antonella issue:

American Idol' flap: Barba vs. Frenchie
By LYNN ELBER, AP Television Writer
Today at 1:40 am

Frenchie Davis, dumped by "American Idol" in 2003 for lingerie shots posted on a Web site, moved on to Broadway success and thought she had buried a humiliating chapter of her young life.

That changed in the last few days after contestant Antonella Barba was allowed to stay on the top-rated Fox series despite the emergence of racy online photos that purport to be of Barba, but with no verification.

The first big controversy of the show's sixth season swelled Tuesday when fans and a civil-rights activist rallied to Davis' side, saying she was the victim of unfair and potentially biased treatment. Davis is black; Barba is white.

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"I'm not bashing `Idol' or Antonella. She's a beautiful girl and she's young. I think it's great that she didn't have to go through what I went through," said Davis, 27, who suggested that the show's producers might have learned from how they treated her.

Davis would welcome a public apology from them as "a great start." But she said she is owed more for "the manner in which I was humiliated and the manner in which Antonella was defended and protected by the same people who humiliated me."

"Now they need to come to the table and see what we can do to make up" for her treatment, Davis said. She declined to say if she would seek a financial settlement or a record contract or other deal.



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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Why can't people see that there is a difference between deliberately signing a release to have your picture published and someone publishing compromising pictures without permission (however, foolish or naive you may have been to allow yourself to be photographed in the first place)?

Correct me if I'm wrong but Frenchie signed a release. It was a conscious decision on her part to allow her pictures to be published. To the best of my knowledge, no one took advantage of her or did anything unethical.

I'm still not sure that AI's reaction was correct in Frenchie's situation, but two wrongs don't make a right.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 12:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
I think the confusion is that the excuse was "we are a family show and can't have anyone on who has nude pic around -etc etc" - well whether she released them or not antonella allowed the pics to be taken - and it is still a family show

i still think it is more about the evolution of the show and it's ratings however. I don't think frenchie would have been kicked off if she were on this year. but I don't blame her for being mad.

OT,I remember year 1 on canadian idol we had a wonderful singer with a criminal record. She was not kicked off for that - but a week or so later was kicked off because she could not travel to the USA for a couple of shows. People are routinely kicked off AI for criminal records - just a difference in philosophy I guess.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Frenchie also was NOT naked, she was in lingerie, but Ms. Antonella was in fact naked in one of those pictures covering her naughty bits with her hands ... but like I said, people will continue to excuse her behavior while they continue to say Frenchie has no reason to be upset.

Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 1:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yankee_in_ca a private message Print Post    
I won't, Ladytex.

Jimmer, I can totally see the difference. And to me that difference just doesn't matter. It's in the taking of the pictures. The stated "family" reasons they kicked off Frenchie seem to apply to the taking of any nude shots to me.

Now, do I feel badly for Antonella? Absolutely. Entirely.

But do I think that the taking of these pictures is somehow a lesser affront to the ideals of American Idol, the show and competition, than Frenchie's lingerie shots? No.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Ladytex, On the off chance that you are referring to me, I'm neither condemning nor excusing anyone's behavior.

It seems foolish to me that they would disqualify Frenchie for posing in lingerie. In Canada (and I assume in the U.S. as well) you can see pictures of women in lingerie or bikinis in advertisements in shopping centers and in store catalogues. So I'm not sure what the big deal is?

However, I do understand that many Americans have a very puritanical view of sex and nudity compared to people in other countries. LOL - I guess AI won't be having Madonna on as a guest judge?

Maris
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03-28-2002

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
The difference to me is that Frenchie's photos were taken for a lingere shoot for marketing purposes, the photographer then sold them to some sleazy site. To me it is all about intent. There is no question that Antonella was just goofing around with her gal pals and doing boob shots and other shots, such as drunk on toilet taking a pee. There is a world of difference. Now do I think Antonella should be booted? no of course not, but I dont think that Frenchie should have been kicked out either especially since her photos were the result of a modelling gig for a lingeree ad.

Frenchie got screwed because she had no idea that her legitimate work would end up in a porn site and as far as Antonellas photos, there is no legitimate reason for them other than what they are, pics of drunken girls taking their tops off. girls gone wild so to speak

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Hmmm, to me the difference is Antonella actually appears to live the "Girls Gone Wild" lifestyle (too many clothing changes for me to believe it one or two nights of a silly innocent girl getting drunk), while Frenchie went to work for one day for a lingerie photo shoot.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
What Naja said!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texannie a private message Print Post    
To me, the difference is how Idol is handling the situation. They tarred, feathered and kicked Frenchie off 'the family show'. The intent behind the pictures was never stated as the reason for the dismissal, but the very fact that the pictures existed was just cause enough.
well, idol is still a family show and Antonella's pictures exist.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Exactly, Texannie. And this is Frenchie's point. All the executive producers and judges have come out in support of Antonella, but Frenchie was made fun of, dismissed, and treated badly.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I don't have any children, but it horrifies me to think that someone with children thinks it's ok for their daughter/s to act that way while away at college. Do any of you have college age daughters? What would your reaction be to those photos? Especially showing it wasn't just "one" night of being silly? Personally, I would be sick and angry, but I don't have children, only step children that are almost my own age since I married an older man.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
btw, talk about trauma....I was called "grandma" at 28, when I never even gave birth..LOL

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
My kids aren't that age. However, I do have a young Cousin who has friends in college and they've done some pretty crazy things but I think they will turn out all right in the long run. They are pretty bright as well.

Haven't some of the people here done some crazy stuff when they were younger? Plus with digital cameras and even cell phone cameras so ubiquitous along with the Internet, there is plenty of opportunity for this crazy stuff to get recorded for posterity and then broadcast to the world.

I do think Frenchie was treated poorly by AI.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
At this point, Jimmer, I'm leaning toward the differences should balance out and it should all be treated equally. Photos out there are photos out there, unless they were taken unknowingly. But, it appears to me, both are posing and know the camera is there.

Zadeira
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10-03-2006

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 4:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zadeira a private message Print Post    
I just want to see Antonella gone. I think the stupid controversy is actually helping keep her on the show even though I have yet to hear a decent performance from her.

Smokey
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07-08-2003

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smokey a private message Print Post    
Yeah the controversy is helping her, but so is that website that votes for the bad contestants. I forget the name of it. It's the one that kept alot of contestants in that weren't all that great.

As far as Frenchie, I would be pissed, too. It's not right. They should be consistant if they want those kinds of stipulations.

Not that I think it's horrible that Antonella posed for those photos, but it's obvious it's not at all fair after what they did to Frenchie.

As far as those toilet shots--Yuck. I have seen them, though. I think right now it's actually a cool thing to do--have yourself photographed on the toilet. I have two college aged daughters and have looked at their myspace pages and then friends of friends and I saw many, many photos of girls on the toilet. My daughters don't do this stuff (Thank God!), but I've asked them about it and they said girls think it's funny or cool. I couldn't believe it.

I used to love to party when I was that age, but those kinds of photos were definitely something me and my friends avoided, not welcomed! LOL Or, it was some kind of rotten joke someone would play on someone else. The toilet person wasn't posing!

Zadeira
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10-03-2006

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zadeira a private message Print Post    
Ewwww...purposely taking a pic on the toilet? Ewwww!!!!
Now, I'll admit I have taken a pic or two of my sis in the bathroom. You could never see anything (and I don't think I ever caught her on the toilet). She quickly destroyed the pics (and nearly me). Like you said, a rotten joke to play on your sibling

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 7:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
It's the web site that votes for the worst. Polls I've seen say that the photos are hurting her chances to win, but you can't counterattack against VFTW unless you vote. <sigh>

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
O'Reilly Report on Fox News just a few mins ago with a live interview with Frenchie.

Title of the report "Contest Controversy"

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On a side note: Is Frenchie one of the few women who can go with the shaved head look and still look very pretty or what? The look isn't near as flattering for a certain blonde pop singer who is sporting it lately.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
you guys, this is a good one, I mean like the "scoop" one^^^

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 3:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
One huge difference, IMO, is that Frency had mad talents and Antonella, not so much.\

Larry King was ridiculous tonight.. had two of Antonella's apologist friends and then had Elliot, Bucky and Diana. Diana was aware of the situation and is a friend of Frenchie but the guys claimed not to be at all aware but there was Larry asking their opinion. Lame. And then he kept playing clips of Antonella and saying how she must be popular. Of course no one ever mentions Vote For theWorst.

The sad thing was at the beginning tonight dialidol had Antonella way down in bottom two, but as the evening went on she rose up and she's now in fourth behind Melinda, LaKisha and Gina but ahead of Jordin, Sabrina, Haley and Stephenie (I could see her being in bottom two with Haley, but for her to beat out any of the others.. tragic, especially if Stephenie or Sabrina go home)