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Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe I'm gullible, but because Eliz barely reacted to the onslaught by those two girls, I kept thinking there was more to the story than what we saw. I mean, there is no logical reason why Eliz didn't get the easy lyrics down--other than she had been completely thrown by their confidence killing tactics.

Those two girls were coldly merciless, and I concluded they were just naturally nasty and catty--and had, for whatever reason, made it their agenda tokill her spirit by making her feel like an outsider.

I still don't understand why she didn't respond to them in anger. It's just not human nature to at least be defensive,

So when I watched that scene at her bedroom door, I believed the two girls had purposely not given her the correct meeting time/place--and only went to her door cuz the cameras were rolling.

Now, if I am wrong, then the two girls' frustration is more understandable. I still don't like how they handled themselves or Eliz.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Am I the only one who thought she seemed stoned? 'Twould explain the lack of reaction...

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

I believed the two girls had purposely not given her the correct meeting time/place




I'm almost positive we heard them telling her when and where to meet the night before. I didn't tape it, so I can't be absolutely positive.

Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
EXACTLY what Herckle said! Thanks for putting to words exactly what I was thinking.

As for her quietness I think that is just her. Some people are just quiet or are afraid of confrontation so don't say anything.

Now don't get me wrong, I totally agree she deserved to go home however once I saw those 3 jokers at the end get through, then she should have too. JMO

ETA: Oh ya, did I mention I didn't like the girls attitudes who were with Elizabeth?? LOL (Just teasing ya all!)


Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, I never thought of her being stoned! But that's not the feeling I got. I started to wonder if she had some sort of learning disability or something--or couldn't read . . . the earlier non-reactions were weird.

Miz--I was wondering if it were a cultural thing, too-- I mean about the reluctance to fight back.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I admire the positive view that some of you are taking of Elizabeth. I respect anyone who can empathise with how hard these shows can be. I just found that she appeared rude (including with the TV production people when she asked why they were still there and stating that she was through talking). She just has to be able to learn some simple lyrics to make it through the show. Now “rudeness” is an interpretation – it could have been fear.

I fully agree about the jokers at the end. Sometimes the judging is completely incomprehensible. Then again, the judges probably didn’t know the background story when they actually made their decision and at that point they were probably happy to hear anything other than the Supremes.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
we did see them tell her where they were to meet in the morning. Not made up. I do think though that the two girls were also nervous as the producers and the camera people seemed to be encouraging some sort of confrontation. It was obvious the cameras wanted a fight. I got this impression when they were in the large meeting room and both girls turned to the cameras almost for validation from the person behind the camera.

I honestly didnt see the two as villains in this but saw Elizabeth as immature and in my view self centered.

Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ya, those were my thoughts exactly Herck...I think it's a cultural thing. I've noticed that Asian's tend to be more reserved and non-confrontational or expressive. (Vancouver has a very high Asian population in case soem of you didn't know.)



Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There are also plenty of Jun's out there if you remember Big Brother.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, then that changes things for me. I still find her behavior inexplicable. Immaturity is probably a factor, but I still wonder . . .

Sure would eat up a follow-up story on them, if anyone ever spots one.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sorry, Maris, explain. I was a hit or miss BB watcher and don't remember Jun. Was she feisty?

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
She won, she was a major control freak and pretty much ran the show from the time she walked in the door. Never afraid and didnt back down. In fact she had her asian ex boyfriend wrapped around her finger, she told him to jump and Jee said How High!!!. Defintely not meek.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ha! Well, to counter that:

My dd went to Parson's--which has a very large Asian population. She would get upset with the girls in her classes because they'd never share their opinions. I was shocked to hear that when called upon, they wold blush and giggle but not answer. I didn't realize 'old ways' were still so prevalent.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, February 11, 2005 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm with you on this one Maris. I didn't find the other two girls to be the villains at all. They DID tell Eliz where to meet them the next morning. I found Eliz to be self-centered, immature and quite rude. I'm glad she's gone because she would have done nothing but annoy me.