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Conejo
Member
08-23-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 8:02 am
Well, I think last nights show will be my last. I'm sick of these average singers and the way the audience oohhs and aawws over them. I'm also tired of watching them jump up out of their seats, swaying, clapping and acting like they just saw a magnificent performance. Also, I tired of hearing 'Dawg' and the 'Dawg Pound', 'You raised the bar', 'If I'm gonna be totally honest', yadda, yadda, yadda. Would someone please tell them that their 'number' is shown on TV and we don't need their variations of finger waving to know who to vote for. IMO, this is the worst group yet and I thoroughly enjoyed the previous seasons. Conejo 'out'!
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 9:16 am
I still love Janay! And my 13 yr old niece loved her and my 18 yr old daughter loved her. I'm crossing my fingers for Janay and Jessica!
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 10:08 am
Maris, that is exactly what I was thinking when Carrie was singing - get the freaking smile off your face. This goes along with what I said about Carrie last week. She sings a song perfectly hitting all the right notes, but she puts no emotion in the song at all.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 10:22 am
I was at odds with the judges on several of the girls tonight. I didn't like Celina last week, but finger tapping aside, I thought she sang fantastic this week. I was all What the Hell! when the judges proceeded to totally trash her. On the other other hand, I thought Amanda was gawd awful! She was off tune for half the song and she garbled the words in several places. Then the judges heaped praise on her. It was, HUH? What the hell! again. I didn't like Janay's attitude when the judges got through speaking to her. I don't think she is going to get any better, any time soon, and I hope she is voted off this week.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 10:55 am
It's wierd how we all see things differently. I thought Janay was just embarrassed about the judges telling her she wasn't very good. I get the vibe that she is not comfortable in front of the cameras but is trying to be.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 10:55 am
Good point Maris. I wish the judges would have said that instead of the rock/country comparison. Faith Hill I think delivered a less wrenching rendition but the element of pain still came through imo. Carrie did miss this completely from what I can recall. I'm often disappointed that many of these young people don't have the maturity to match the lyrics. I noticed that with Anthony Federov the other week. This is why I kind of like Joseph Murena... not the strongest vocalist and probably won't be around much longer but he does seem to inject more maturity into his vocals than most. My husband & I can't figure out why the judges are so down on Celina 
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Hobbs
Member
08-05-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:16 am
I now know that I must have a tin ear. I could not stand Mikalah's performance last night. It seemed so fake to me. And her voice just grates me. I even picked her in PG's poll to go! Then I go and read here and other places how everyone thinks she was great. I just don't get it so it must be me.
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:26 am
Oh, Hobbs, I totally agree with you (and so does my 13 year old daughter. She and I were laughing and amused by her perfomance last night. And that is just what it was... a performance. I don't think anyone could stand the "real" Mikalah for long so she has to put on an act. Well, this is a singing competition not an acting competition. Simon was right though. At least last night she did not annoy as many people. Maybe I just don't care for her personality and feel manipulated by her to some extent. At any rate, I don't think her performance was all that great last night although I do give her credit for doing a song that others probably wouldn't tough. I'd love to hear Anwar do the same song! 
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:26 am
I do think that it is a valid point that Carrie didn’t capture the appropriate “angst” when singing that song. But again, she wasn't trying to imitate Janis Joplin (at least I hope not). I do wish though that the judges wouldn’t make inconsistent statements from one performer to the next. No wonder they get confused. One of the difficulties that some of these young people face is that they did not grow up hearing these songs, watching the original artists and living in the time and understanding the background behind the songs. Thanks for posting the lyrics Maris. I think that many people do not actually listen to or understand song lyrics. I say this because you hear so many inappropriate dedications on phone in radio shows. Someone sincerely calls in and dedicates a song to their loved one and the song is about a painful break-up etc. On a different subject, there is nothing that turns me off one of these performers quicker than “attitude”. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t engage in some fun sparing with the judges, but it’s very delicate and can easily be carried too far. You have complete unknowns from a few weeks ago suddenly getting really big egos. It’s not nice to see. I’m also baffled at times by the judges’ reactions. There are times when I think that it has been a good performance and they trash it and other times when I think the performance is awful and they love it. I haven’t got Mikalah yet either and yet the judges love her. And I don’t know why the judges don’t like Celena either?
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Monkeyboy
Member
05-27-2001
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:30 am
It's not just you, Hobbs. Not only was it grating to me, but I couldn't understand a word she was singing. I didn't know what the heck she was singing until someone told me. It was a very odd show last night. Everyone that the judges liked, i didn't (except Nadia) and the ones they didn't like, I liked (except Janay). Nadia is turing out to be my favorite. She has great style and stage presence. I thought she was great last night. I love her even more because she doesn't put her fingers up at the end of her performance when Ryan's talking. 
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:32 am
To be honest with you I pay very little attention to the judges other than for their entertainment value. They clearly have people in their minds that they want to win and they steer the voters in that direction. Paula is a total waste as a judge, it is all about song choice for her and she doesnt give any real analysis of performance. Randy isnt much better. I know many dont like Simon but I find myself agreeing with him more often than not. He may phrase his analysis in a harsh manner but he is usually right. Where are the guest judges? Neil Sedaka, Robin Gibb, Barry Manilow, Quentin Tarantino.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:46 am
to me, last night it seemed paula just echoed everything randy said. the one time she tried to say something on her own, she stumbled over what she wanted to say and just pretty much said nothing in a lot of words! reminded me of the paramedic who taught our emt classes years ago: "if you don't know how to answer the correct way to treat the medical emergencies i put on your tests, just try and baffle me with bulls#it!"
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:20 pm
One more comment about Carrie... she wasn't singing a Janis Joplin song - Carrie was singing a Faith Hill song.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:24 pm
Regarding how it "sounds" to each of us, including the juges... and I am talking about what we hear in terms of sound quality, not what we like in terms of individual tastes. Did anyone catch Simon saying, toward the end of the Tuesday show, that it's so loud in there he can barely hear!? The judges are hearing it live and loud, mixed in the studio for live concert listening. We are hearing it mixed for TV-listening, and we are listening through millions of different sources - from old TVs with one tiny speaker, to stereo TVs, to elaborate home theater systems with surround sound. That's why the judges say that when they played the tapes back after a telecast, someone sounded better or worse - they are hearing it much differently. Last night, we were watching the show in a room with surround sound and my DH went in and out of another room to get something. The TV was on Idol in the other room and when he came back, he said it sounded completely different in there! This doesn't apply to simply liking or not liking someone and their style, but now when I think I just saw a completely different performance than the judges appear to be reviewing, I really do think the sound is at least part of the issue. When a judge says "great vocals" and I think the vocals were drowned out by the background singing..... I think I'll just go in the other room and try it in there!
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:33 pm
lexie, the song was originally done by janis joplin, and was recently done by melissa etheridge and joss stone on the grammys for a janis joplin tribute. it is her most famous song. faith hill did a remake just a few years ago. but most people when they hear that song, think of janis. especially in the pop industry compared to the country industry.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 1:02 pm
Oh I agree that most people know it as a Janis Joplin song. What annoys me is when the judges tell one performer that they should mix it up, try new things and “make that song your own” and then turn-around and say to the next performer that they should stick with what they were doing. But I guess what they think may work for one type of performer (mixing it up) may not apply to another?
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 1:07 pm
I think we associate it so much with Janis Joplin because she was such a tragic person. My favorite song of hers was Me and Bobby McGee which of course was written by Kris Kristofferson. At the time she died of an overdose it was rumored that he dumped her and she was despondent over their break up. (a little trivia)
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 1:17 pm
I always pick a favorite at the begining of the show,during the auditions, and it sticks with me throughout the season. Last year I like Diana DiGarmo, the year before I was for Josh Gracin and Kimberly Caldwell, and the year before, I was a Kelly Clarkson fan from the get go. It makes me biased, I know. I like Carrie. But, i also like the dark haired skinny girl. What is her name? She sang that Gloria Estefan song.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 1:50 pm
Amanda Avila sang the Gloria Estefan song. Sometimes I also think the judges (particular Simon) try to "misdirect" the votes by being more critical of a performer that they like. Simon knows that sometimes people vote against him. I think Simon loves playing mind games with the audience. Was it me or did the background music/vocals seem too loud for the performers last night?
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 1:52 pm
I thought they manipulated the background music for the performers based on who they liked. It is very clear they do not like Janay and you could barely hear her over the vocals. I dont think there should be any background vocals at all.
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Rabbit
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 3:02 pm
I hope, HRH Mum isn't around to see this and box my ears, but I liked the song Janay performed last night. It fit her, it was fun. I thought Fran Streisand was much improved over last week's horrid performance too. That said, I would rank this weeks 20 performances as 9 of the men first, then 3 of the women then David, then the other 7 women. I wish we could drop four of the women singers this week. How upside down from last year when it was immediately obvious that the top 5 should all be women. At this point I would take the all the men (less David) add Carrie, Nadia and Jessie to make up the top 12 finalists and let the show begin.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 3:24 pm
Landi.. I understand that. My point is is Carrie probably doesn't know that. She has said from the beginning she is a country singer. When she picked that song - she' wasn't thinking it was a Janis Joplin song - she was thinking of it as a Faith Hill song because she's a country singer.
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 3:24 pm
I think the judges talk out of both sides of their mouths. They talk about choosing "safe" songs but when someone shakes it up(Judd), they say it was too risky. I have seen it happen everu year now. They'll tell someone that they're missing the spark they had in the beginning then next week when the person tries to put on a show for them, they'll make fun of their dancing or clothes or something. I liked Janay. She reminds me of a mimi Mary J Blige. She has a good recording voice. They dogged Clay because he wasn't marketable but he had the greatest voice. They need to make up their minds on what they want- a great voice that probably isn't very pop or a pop voice that isn't very great.
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Jan
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 3:24 pm
Now if you want to hear excellent singing by all 10 contestants, try Nashville Star which debuted last night on USA channel in the USA and CMT in Canada. That is one fine show (and I don't even like country western!)
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Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 3:56 pm
Turn the Beat Around is so not a Gloria Estefan song, it's a great disco song that used to be one of my favorites until Gloria Estefan covered it. I'm pretty much against most covers because it does seem that younger people forget or don't know who originated it. The only one I have actually liked, in all my years of listening to music, is Darling Nikki by the Foo Fighters because it's such a rocking tribute to Prince. Hopefully no one out there thinks Foo Fighters wrote it. I will say I had no idea Faith Hill covered Janis's song, and the judges probably didn't either. A lot of us never hear a country song unless we're in a department store or on hold or something.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 4:19 pm
Until I read this board, I had no ideas Faith Hill recorded the song. Oh well. Let's face it, if you record a song another person has made a "signature song," you fight an uphill battle. Gladys Knight did a great version of "The Way We Were," but Streisand recorded the gold standard of the song first. Aretha sang the hell out of "Bridge Over Troubled Water," but it's still primarily remembered for S&G's (inferior) version. And I'd take Patti LaBelle's "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" over anyone else's (well, maybe not over Sarah Vaughan's!), but the song is forever considered Judy Garland's. C'est la vie.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 5:27 pm
I'll give y'all a perfect example of remakes and the kiddies... Years ago when Mariah Carey recorded I'll Be There, I was with a friend's teenage daughter who thought Maria Carey was Da Bomb with this song. I made a comment about it being a song from the late 60's, early 70s -- this teenager looked at me like I was from another planet. Then when I told her that Michael Jackson recorded it with the Jackson 5, she was ready to have me committed because I obviously was delusional. This girl did not know Mariah Carey's I'll Be There was a remake and she had no clue that Michael Jackson was in a group with his brothers back in the 1960s and 1970s. That was the point I was trying to make about Carrie. Carrie was singing a country song by Faith Hill which was recorded in the last 5-6 years or so - not a Janis Joplin song which was recorded before she was born.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 5:39 pm
Ok, the faith hill version came out when I was about 14 or so, so that's what, ten years ago? I had no idea that it was a remake. I didn't hear the Janis Joplin version til later, and I can remember thinking, hey this is a remake of a faith hill song. My mother, who graduated in the 70's, abruptly corrected me. Whoopsy. BTW....Someone had mentioned how wonderful and talented the Nashville Star talents were.....not only do they have to have singing abilities, they must also have songwriting abilities, as well as musical abilties. That is a true artist, not just a "pop star".
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 7:11 pm
Faith Hill's version came out 10 years ago???? I remember it like it was yesterday. Lordie how time flies when you're over 40
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 7:18 pm
This reminds of when my dh and I were the 'young married couple' as youth group counselors (21 years ago!) Our minister had been to Woodstock and that brought up a discussion about various groups which then led to a discussion about the Beatles. One teen was so confused. The BEATLES?? she said????? Another teen said "oh you know that old group that Paul McCartney was in before Wings" all the adults in the room just crawled off feeling very old............. LOL
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 2:20 pm
Well it came out before her and my husband (hee hee) were married and their oldest daughter is about 5-6 I think.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 3:52 pm
I'm getting sort of tired of Mikalah's "beauty-pageant-kneejerk-OMG-I'm-so-surprised-at-the-announcement-that-I'm-safe" reaction. I'm terrible. I pick up on mannerisms on these people, and then I just can't see past it. We finally got rid of what I was hoping was the only finger flapper in the group, and then I saw another one last night in the clips. I'm so petty!
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