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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:55 am
So why would Nikko even come back? Do you think he even has a real chance?
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:57 am
I dont think Nikko has a chance but I am sure he doesnt want to burn bridges. If he gets booted this week he may get some help from producers i.e. opening doors for him, public appearances, etc. It is a win win situation for Nikko either he moves forward or he just comes back from oblivion, gets some appearances and face time.
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Highlighter
Member
09-03-2003
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:59 am
You guys are awesome at finding info! Thanks for sharing the above news articles and tidbits of information! Now if I could only find out the gossip as to why Charlie Sheen and wife broke up after that mushy article came out in some magazine about how in love they were and how perfect they were for each other......I'd be almost compeletely satisfied. ;)
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:06 am
The opportunity to grow in performance is to be on the AI tour. That really seems to stretch some people. I think it is a little like boot camp (I use the word boot carefully since it has many meanings with this show) where they learn a lot in a short period of time. Idol is still a new phenomena - we don't know how many of the people it produced will go one to have good careers. The only person I think I heard gave up was Julia DeMato who is doing hair again. Even Charles Grisby has a record contract. They don't have to be stars, they just have to be good performers who can support themselves.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:08 am
I dont think they should be allowed to walk unless it is a genuine family emergency or nervous breakdown. Just my opinion.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:23 am
That's right Maris, force them to sing! LOL 
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:45 am
yep that is what they signed up for. I have no problem with someone quitting but I have a problem with someone quitting because a better gig came along. We are the ones getting screwed and in the end AI will finish up being a final four of mediocre singers who couldnt get a better deal.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:58 am
<<Vasquez left Idol because he has already been offered a very enticing record contract by none other than P. DIDDY!>> If the above is true, you heard it from me first! Rslover Member 11-19-2002 Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:47 pm I was just listening to KABC (L.A.) station and a caller called in. It may be that record producer Harv "Joe Hooker" Pierre of Sean Puffy Combs' Bad Boy Entertainment label offered him a deal. I cannot really substantiate it, but thought I'd throw it out there.
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Highlighter
Member
09-03-2003
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:13 am
Maris, I hear your point, and agree that it does a disservice to the show and its viewers if contestants "use" it to try to get a quick payoff instead of riding out the show. OTOH, it sounds like the Production company (19 or whatever) is trying to screw the contestants to such an extent and exerting pressure to keep them locked into contracts that aren't fair to the kids. I admit I don't understand any of it but from what I've read, Clay was much better off when he got out from under them. It's a shame that they have to sell their souls in order to compete for the chance to win the contest, and I find it hard to begrudge Mario the chance to soar without it!
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:25 am
I understand that it is a restrictive contract for two years but lets face it, they get free publicity national attention that would normally take years to get. yes Clay got out of his contract but the fact is Clay would never have gotten a contract or any national exposure with his image when he entered the show. They knew going in what the contract would be and they were screaming for a chance to get it. Seems sour grapes to whine abut the restrictive contract once they got it. If they are any good two years goes by pretty fast, especially when you are being helped every step of the way. I understand Fantasia is appearing in an all star line up in the bahamas in May. Not bad.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:08 am
How does Mario leaving, screw us?
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:12 am
it is opening a door Julie, for others to do the same and the viewers get screwed because instead of the cream rising to the top it will be the mediocre.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:37 am
I just can't see how it is better for Mario to leave now, wait five months (before he gets out of his current AI contract) and then sign on with P. Diddy, over him getting weekly exposure and increasing fan base on AI. They haven't already signed on to do the tour, and I can see how that would get in the way of his plans, but right now why wouldn't staying on at AI be a better deal for him? It just doesn't seem like a logical decision to me. Plus P. Diddy and Mario both deny it (although that in itself probably doesn't mean much).
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:41 am
oh, I see Maris. Thanks for answering.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 12:37 pm
I read the contract was 5 years and 35 to 50% of their earnings go back to AI. A poster on another board heard this on a radio talk show and there was an article that supported this. Beyond this there are restrictions on clothing, stlye and gigs. You pretty much have to perform where AI places you. It is extensive. They own you. Kitt, Mario quit the day he had to sign this more restrictive contract. As of now, he is only obligated to wait 3 months after the competition of the show to sign on with another. He probably knew about the contract. I don't think it was a surprize. This is one reason I buy the fact someone big has offered him something he cannot refuse. Sign on with P. Diddy/whoever or forever be a reality show winner? There is something to be said for either. There was no guarantee he would have won and the contract for the other placements have restrictions that go beyond what he had signed thus far. Hey, he gambled and took a shot guided by his intution and an offer.
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 9:00 am
Well, The things we know about the contract for sure is: 1. it is for an exhorbatant management fee of 35 - 50% 2. It is annually renewable on the management side only (i.e. they can drop you) 3. as in any management agreement, they promise to manage in your best interest (hint - Clay's out) 4. they require you to deal with all their other arms (19R, 19 Merchandising, 19P) which may be detrimental to your career. 5. The contract is for more than one year. 6. Ruben told the Canadian idols to "read the fine print" AN interesting article explaining why Mario http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150702,00.html Ex-'Idol' Hires Clay's Lawyer He's hired former "Idol" runner-up Clay Aiken's high-powered record-industry lawyer. And he may have jeopardized his "amateur" status by being featured on an album that's already been released
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 9:18 am
I dont have much sympathy for their whining about the lousy deal they are locked into. More than likely if it wasnt for American Idol they would still be nobodies in five years. They also are getting a deal that most anyone who enters the competition would kill for. Suddenly, they win or are in the top 12 and they are whining about how unfair it all was. I love Ruben but without American Idol he would still be sitting in Atlanta or wherever that area code is from, Clay a great talent would still be singing in church. Doors were opened for them that they never would have had opened. They are travelling the world and getting plenty of exposure. If they are dropped by Idol they can pick up with someone else so no loss there. I liked Mario but I think he was a <bq> for pulling out and lets see how far he goes now. This may have been the biggest bonehead move by any contestant.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:10 pm
The entertainment field is littered with people who were much more successful than most of the AI top 12 performers and who left their show or their particular gig to move on to bigger success and instead instantly became has-beens. A very risky strategy, rejecting this kind of opportunity. Most of the top twelve performers from prior seasons have moved on to obscurity. It’s not clear but the same thing may have happened with a very popular and unique Canadian Idol contestant who easily made the top three and then apparently requested that fans not vote him into the top two. I’m not sure if this is true but maybe someone can confirm it. 
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Mizinvanccouver
Member
02-22-2003
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:21 pm
Jimmer-Yes, he did request they not vote for him. Forgot his name now...he was a great hit and had quite the fan base.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:26 pm
Forgot his name now...he was a great hit and had quite the fan base. That about says it all
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:29 pm
Jacob Hoggard. He was a really interesting unique performer. I remember watching the episode where he was eliminated and one of the judges made a pretty strong speech that ended with “You know …. Winning this competition isn’t such a bad thing!” At the time, I didn’t have a clue what he was talking about, but it became clear afterward what he meant. And ... good point Maris. I had to look it up. 
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:56 pm
Hmmm. I don't remember him asking not to be voted for, but I agree, he was a great performer. I downloaded a bunch of his performances from the internet and listened to them from time to time. Hope I still have them on my other computer. Anyway...He also jumped away from 19 according to this snippet: quote:HEDLEY Abbotsford, BC native Jacob Hoggard, the hammy nasally-voiced top 3 finalist from 2004's Canadian Idol, continued on with his rock band Hedley, but there have been considerable changes. After he was free and clear of any contractual obligations to Sony BMG Music Canada and 19 Management, he hooked up with Darren Gilmore of S.L. Feldman & Associates' Watchdog Management division. Hoggard since left the band he joined in January 2003 and joined the guys in CFOX Seeds winning rock act Everything After, whose singer had just left. Bringing all his songs to the new line-up, the soon to be renamed band is in a Vancouver studio with producer Brian Howes (ex Closure/DDT). They plan to cut a handful of songs on the way to a full album. Gilmore says they are currently in talks with a major label in Canada.
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 11:58 pm
I think the idols are getting out of their management contracts now because of the conflict of interest in their management. A manager is supposed to work in your best interest, but 19's manager work for the shows best interest, I read somewhere that it is a profit of almost 300 million a year. That amount makes the amount brought in by the acts piddling. Also, during the show, the contestants are paid 1200 a week for which they have to learn many songs and choreography and appear on up to 3 shows a week, they have to buy their own clothes until the final 6, then they are given a 300 dollar allowance, meanwhile the show is raking in the money. So, yes, these people would probably be no one with out this show, on the other hand, the show would be nothing without the contestants. Holding on to them in a brutal contract, where there is a large portion of their income tied up with many comapies, is semi illegal. I think if they did truly amange these kids for success, then they should honor their contract, but if they are managing them and refusing offers without telling them, they are not working in the best interest of their client. Mind you, this has nothing to do with Mario, who had never really contributed that much to the show, but more to do with Kelly, Ruben and Clay, not mentioning the way they treated Justin.
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Racsan
Member
04-09-2004
| Friday, March 18, 2005 - 6:04 am
Idol is still a new phenomena - we don't know how many of the people it produced will go one to have good careers. Josh Gracin's single Nothin' To Lose hit #1 on Billboard's Country chart last week. If he does nothing else, that's quite an accomplishment. Not a long term career, but at least he did something that the majority of Idol finalists have never done, will probably never do.
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Friday, March 18, 2005 - 8:29 am
Well, Racsan, I meant that in a complementary way. Josh 's album is gold, which is great for a new artist, he is assured of at least a second album and he is supposed to have a great stage show. Kim Locke just signed with a modeling agency in addition to her recording appearances, she is expected to get endorsement mopney. Rickey Smith is working on an album and has a signed contract, Charles Grisbey has an album comeing out.Of year 2, only Julia DeMato has gone back to her regular job, hairdresser. Of the first year, I don't know anyone who has given up yet, lots of albums out there right now. Of year 3 there are known to be 6 people signed to contracts and others in the works. The question is how long will their careers be and will they be nice quiet but steady careers, or super stardom. I don't think this can be answered, but I would not be surprised to see that some of these people acheive fame later in life. Because most people have to be able to sing to get on this show, it gives them a leg up in the recording business when their vocals do not have to be constantly tweaked.
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