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Brotherman
Member
08-22-2003
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 3:55 am
This incident will definitely cost Scott in votes. Many female fans who initially felt sorry for the guy will now withdraw their support. Too bad. Scott had that "underdog" quality going for him.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 4:24 am
Seems to me that someone cinched it that Scott will not win this competition. Pretty convenient for the producers, Scott would be their nightmare as a winner. He has absolutely no personality, great voice, and is not attractive.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 6:21 am
ROFL, Hip!!!!!! Is the aunt the official spokeman? I don't think that it's out of line at all to be discussing this. It's not like Idol hasn't dismissed previous contestants for less. I personally don't think he would have gone much farther in the competition, so I don't think this is a huge factor (maybe changes things by a week or 2)
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 9:52 am
Well, I traveled to a few message boards when this broke and I can tell you this will cost him votes. Like Azriel, I have seen that Police reports are only hearsay. One woman took out a restraining order on my 80 year old Mother to keep her off their property. Only thing was, my Mom was never on their property, had no interest in being on their property, had no idea that his was pending. Mom's real crime was suing this woman about harassing phone calls. My Mom just wanted no connection with her, did not want to talk to or see this crazy person (yes, a relative). I had to go to the Mayor of the town to get that off her record because the police refused to talk to me about it. We got a written apology from the police department and assurances that the restraining order was removed from their files. The woman was dating one of the policemen involved. Unless you are there, you can't really know what happened. Even when you are a witness, you can't always know the whole story. Would I ever vote again, I might vote for Scott because of this story. I am against domestic abuse and think it is under reported, but Scott is living with this woman, there has never been a repeat of this arrest in 4 years and he seems to have a lot of people saying what a nice guy he is, including people who have said that Scott was edited to look bad. When a contestant leaves, Scott is the first person to hug them and no one pulls back. (See Kimberley Caldwell for scenes of people pulling away when she hugged them).
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 9:53 am
Thanks for the letter from the Aunt. I was going to say the same thing. As I stated before, my husband worked with Scott at County Jail and he told me when he heard this that it couldn't have been major or they would have never hired him. It had to be public knowledge because the County would have known and then AI would have found out easily. There is never an excuse for domestic violence but my own brother-in-law got thrown in jail after his girlfriend took a bat to him and broke his arm. All she had to do was cry abuse and he was thrown in jail and her bat was considered self defense, never was it considered vice versa. There are always two sides to every story.
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Kristylovesbb
Member
09-14-2000
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 1:55 pm
I will vote him because he has a fantastic voice. I don't care what he looks like. Elton ain't no beauty but he sure can sing. I love Scotts voice and he reminds me of Hank Williams Jr in the looks department.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, April 01, 2005 - 10:39 pm
i don't think this will affect the votes. obviously, the original police report did not report accurately what the then-girlfriend stated happened (according to her it was not what happened and he never threw the phone at her); she did not press charges; he was hired for a job he could not have had if there were serious problems in his background check, etc. if anything, this will bring people out in droves to save him. not comparing him at all to scott peterson, but can you believe scott has received hundreds of marriage proposals since he was sentenced to death for the murder of laci and conner? sometimes the 'bad boy' image is what attracts people! i say if you love scott's voice, continue to vote for scott and ignore the bs you hear about him. he is in the middle of the pack for me, but i do think he has his really good singing moments.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 5:02 am
It actually may gain him some votes from the gangsta fans.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 5:46 am
Fabnsab, what did your husband think of Scott?
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 8:02 am
After seeing Scott look like such a loner during Hollywood auditions, I mentioned something about how antisocial he looked and hubby said that he never seemed that way at work. Of course, at that time, he didn't mention he worked with him- MEN! But he did go on to say that he got along with the guys, was congenial, and never had problems. I had noticed and commented here that since the final guys and girls were chosen, Scott seemed to open up. You always see him in the background with the girls hugging on him and such. I think he may just be very introverted until he is comfortable. Which, with his exterior, is oftentimes offputting.
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Sassynegal
Member
01-21-2005
| Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 1:10 pm
It won't change my vote - I dont' care about all this he said/she said stuff. It's about the who is the best singer - not prettiest, or nicest or whatever else. But then I still buy into the innocent unless I have seen proof of guilty
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 1:30 pm
I have never liked Scott and still don't so nothing has changed with me either! He sets my teeth on edge.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 1:52 pm
Well, if you believe in innocent until proven guilty, he already took a plea and went to domestic violence classes. Those two things, which require an admission of guilt, constitute guilt to me. But then again, it doesn't really change things for me. Lots of famous people are not nice and/or do things I don't particularly admire. I'm not going to be like those people who threw drinks and tore up posters because Linda Ronstadt said something they disagreed with or something.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 8:32 pm
Tishala, he pled guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct and he went to anger management classes. He never pled guilty or was found guilty of domestic violence.
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Highlighter
Member
09-03-2003
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 7:17 am
"She says the police prosecuted Scott without her support." I used to volunteer at a domestic violence shelter, and it is not uncommon at all for a partner to be afraid of pursuing charges against the offender. In fact, even despite coming into the shelter for protection or just advice regarding their abusive partner, they often returned right to back to them. In many placed, the law instituted mandatory prosecution of cases that police were called to for this reason. So the fact that the police were the ones who pursued legal action and not the girl doesn't mean anything to me. The fact that she sent the letter-doesn't mean anything to me, either. The mind of a domestic violence victim is pretty screwy.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 7:36 am
Az, in exchange for a guilty plea, prosecutors frequently offer reduced charges so it doesn't clog up the courts--it's called a plea bargain. He copped a plea, said he was guilty of the new [plea bargained] charge, and was "ordered to complete a domestic violence or anger management program" and received a 20 day suspended sentence. Things like that happen all the time. People who commit second degree murder often cop pleas for reduced charges, like voluntary manslaughter. It's nothing particularly novel.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 8:50 am
Judges also reduce the charges all the time when the evidence doesn't warrant conviction on the original charge. I guess it's easier for everyone to believe the worst of Scott when only one side of the story, the girlfriend's statement,is being presented as a statement of fact. It's bad enough that uninformed people keep saying 'the police said in their report', but the worst thing is I keep seeing news report after news report citing the girlfriend's statement as if it's the words of the police officer who took her statement and endorsing it as the true facts in the case.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 9:35 am
I used to volunteer at a domestic violence shelter, and it is not uncommon at all for a partner to be afraid of pursuing charges against the offender. I agree that this does happen all too often. But, another thing that happens all too often is that two good people who are emotionally over-wrought get into an argument and it gets way out of hand and they do things that they would never do in a completely rational state. Both people can realize the next day that they contributed to the scene and both can be sorry for what they did. I think that was the case here. There is no excuse for losing your temper and acting like an ass, but everyone that does that is not an abuser or guilty of domestic violence.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 9:41 am
Usually district attorneys use their discretion in these matters because they have lots of cases and the courts are already clogged. It might be instructive that the judge actually extended the protective order when Mr. Savol was sentenced. At any rate, if he didn't think he was guilty of anything he should have entered a plea that indicated as much. Even Judge Judy would have told him that.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 10:07 am
Scott might have thought he was guilty of disorderly conduct, Tishala. That isn't domestic violence. I'm also not sure that the judge did extend the order. All I've seen is the temporary restraining order.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 10:42 am
"At a July 2001 sentencing hearing, Municipal Court Judge K.J. Montgomery also extended a temporary protective order (issued at Martin's request for her and the baby) through July 2002."
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Justalittlebean
Member
08-15-2003
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 11:20 am
I agree with you Tishala, if he wasn't guilty of anything, why plead guilty? He had his brother with him as a witness. As far as his g/f not wanting to press charges, just ask any police officers how many women get the heck beat out of them and then the next day, they decide not to cooperate and press charges. 
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 11:21 am
I still haven't seen the extended order, but I'm not going to quibble with you over it. The judge could have extended the order to cover his ass in case the findings were wrong. I think that is a very good precaution, but it still doesn't necessarily mean diddley.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 11:34 am
Scott will stay on Idol despite arrest. Producers knew about Scott Savol's arrest for felony domestic violence, and thus he'll stay on as an American Idol 4 finalist. In a statement, FOX and producers said: "Scott Savol was forthcoming to the 'American Idol' producers and the network regarding his misdemeanor. After reviewing the facts, in which the charges were reduced to disorderly conduct, we felt that considering Scott's honesty and his remorse, the situation did not warrant his disqualification.: Somewhere, Jaered, Frenchie, Corrie, and Donnie are probably just a little pissed off. While Scott's former fiancee didn't have a comment, Shaker Heights' police chief told the Cleveland Plain Dealer, "Scott Savol was not a problem in our community. He made a couple of immature judgment decisions at a young age. I don't consider these things should cancel his opportunity." http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/american_idol_4/2005_Apr_04_scott_stays
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 11:36 am
How could Scott ever prove he was innocent? No one cares to hear Scott's side before they pass judgement. You believe without a doubt what the girlfriend said at first, but don't believe her if she changes her story, because you believe her first story without a doubt. Every charge of domestic violence must lead to a conviction because no one charged with domestic violence could actually be innocent. Everyone that plea bargains or gets a reduced charge was guilty of the first charge. Why do we even bother with trials in domestic violence cases? Let's send all the guilty straight to jail.
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