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The TVClubHouse: American Idol/Canadian Idol/Other Talent Shows ARCHIVES: American Idol IV: Mario just withdrew from top 12: ARCHIVES: Archive through March 15, 2005 users admin

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Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Not only his mother but brothers and friends were out of the loop as well. Not uncommon for family to be the last to know if the relationships are strained. But personal family matters just does not have the ring of authenticity.

It smacks of a good offer to me. Being gay is just not a reason to quit. Most gay entertainers ignore the press, make no comment and continue with their career. Certainly Mario was aware of Clay and the talk.

Quitting when you are a front runner is a good way to attract more attention to that which you may want to hide.



Max
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08-12-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes, but what Mario and the producers and Simon and Paula and Randy think is really all that should matter in this decision. If the general public cared all that much, it would show up in the voting, I suppose, but to QUIT over such stuff, that would just be sad.

I truly hope that there's more of a business reason behind this that is being spun as "personal" just as when an executive in a corporation gets fired but they say that s/he left for "personal reasons."

Rabbit
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08-12-2001

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If you are in the closet and want to remain that way it would be extremely foolish to go on American Idol. He doesn't strike me as being naive, so I won't bet on fear of being outted.

Go back to Occam's Razor as far as the most obvious. His chances of being outted did not change on Wednesday, he had been on national TV 3 times a week for several weeks already. What changed on Wednesday was his contractual status to the show. My bet is he had been counseled against the AI indentured servitude contract by competing agents and when he got to the point where he had to make the commitment he choose against it.

Is Puttergirl going to have a why did he quit question?



Rslover
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11-19-2002

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 3:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Max, I hope so too but wonder if Drudge was told to remove

SOURCES: Did not want to be tied to exclusive IDOL contract... from his website. It has now disappeared.

Rabbit
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08-12-2001

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 3:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
About Drudge, he often posts lots of "stuff" then removes it. If some of the stuff turns out to be true, you heard it there first. If it was wrong, well it had been removed so it doesn't count against the ol' batting average.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Exactly!
Mario is on the news now.
He is saying "it wasn't the right time, "it was his intuition" has to "focus on some personal issues in my life."
They asked him about the AI deal. He said there is a lot of speculation. He expects it. He said he was confident he would go the distance. "In this point in my life" it was the best decision. Sort of played down the "family" part.
He was asked about rumors of his sexual preference - he laughed and said, "Oh, no - you have to ask my ex-girlfriends about that." "Not the last you'll see of Mario Vazquez."

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Interesting. I think if the guy didn't have a contract when he left, he certainly will get one after all of this hoopala!

I went over to the Fox site yesterday to see what the buzz was and didn't see much there about the "gay theory" although there was a lot about the "contract theory."

The one thing I DID notice?!! In the area where they have discussions for each contestant, Constantine's is bar far the largest. He apparently has a huge fanbase. Looks like we'll be seeing him for a while no matter how well (or not!) he sings!

Makays
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07-12-2001

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 4:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kitt, yes Clay mantains that he is not gay. Until otherwise proven, I would think by now that it wouldn't even be an issue.
He has even said in one interview on tv that by now he thought he would be married with kids.
It was either 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 kids. I forget which one.
He seems like an extremely nice young man that has always put a smile on his face to Jay Leno and Jimmy Kimmel. Even though they have insinuated in their jokes that he was gay. I would like to think that I would act the same way, even though I highly doubt it.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree Rabbit. He fell into the hands of some smart promoters and was warned about the AI onus. He has already accomplished the goal; public interest, fan base and BUZZ.

The fact he did not share his decision with his family and friends speaks volums to this threory. Flapping gums would hurt him.

Kizz
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07-26-2001

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 5:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just find it hard to believe that after giving him all this exposure, AI would just let him "walk away" to another contract. It seems like it would set a pretty bad precedent. He seems like he's being pretty coy about his reasons, but if it does end up it had something to do with his sexual preference, we can all just thank the "red states" and the myriad ways they hold sway.

Alisons
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01-10-2003

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 5:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Or it could just be that the pressure got to him.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 6:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kizz, he refused to sign the contract. There is no argument there. There is no "letting".

AI does not care, they will have a winner and this creates buzz for the show. It is good on all sides. Someone will win and make money for all. Simon has praised Bo, Carrie and Nadia. They did not have their eggs in Mario's basket.

They are LOVING the publicity. I doubt they thought he would win. He would have gone far but, hey, they have a great roster.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 6:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I missed that interview this afternoon. I just heard that a clip with him will be shown at 10 on Fox. (Possibly the same one that Rslover saw.)

At this point, the only thing that makes sense to me is that he got good advice NOT to sign that restrictive AI contract--and had something else going that made it easy to say no.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 6:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, the word now is that Mr. Vasquez was forced out and the "personal reasons" is the excuse AI and Mario have agreed upon. I'm sure we'll have a more complete picture *cough* of why this happened in the next couple weeks.

Babyboo
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06-16-2003

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Mario may have left because of the ugly rumors that people start and spread about you in a situation like that, because i don't think that anyone knows for a fact that Mario is gay and even if he is BIG DEAL, but all the nasty things that people say may make someone want to quit.

Landi
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07-29-2002

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i wonder if ozzie bought his son a place? i mean he is worth millions isn't he? besides, tons more publicity being the son of a hall of famer. just a theory folks.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Just outta curiosity... I hang out in gay discos, and gay bars. I live in a gay neighborhood. Does that make me gay? What does that have to do with anything? (In Mario's case, what does it have to do with his singing/performing?)

At any rate, does it really matter why Mario's gone? Although I thought he had a lot more charisma than Nikko, I didn't think he'd make it all the way thru to the top 2. (Then again, I didn't think Clay would either!)

I hope Mario finds what he's looking for, and that he finds happiness while he does so.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lol! Landi, I have to say that that thought crossed my mind. I suggested the very same thing to my bf last night. I don't really think it could be true. It's a dandy new conspiracy theory for the net, though. :-)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually I saw on some site where, before this happened, Nikko had said well it was ok, people heard him sing and there would be opportunities.. I wonder if he might be a bit ticked that he had to move back into the competition?

Should be interesting.. I'm expecting that many people will now vote for Nikko just because he came back and some have stated that they are Mario fans and will work hard to vote Nikko out.

Sigh.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That would be quite amusing since they obviously couldn't be bothered to jam the phones for him.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That is so ridiculous that some Mario fans are saying they are going to try to vote Nikko out. First, how do you vote someone out of American Idol (you vote for, not against) and secondly what has Nikko to do with Mario quiting the competition??? People frighten me they are so <self mod here>!

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 9:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I still say that Mario looked unhappy and withdrawn when he was singing. He looked terribly stressed out at the "vote results" show.

Access /Entertainment tonight just had an interview with Mario. He said practically nothing that wasnt vague.

Since he was already successful and sang background on MJ latest CD, well, I sure can see him reconsidering a LONG contract with AI. Maybe his lawyer NIXed the contract, that could be construed as a 'personal reason', eh??

Watching2
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07-07-2001

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 11:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I read a RUMOR.. note I said RUMOR that he does indeed have a skeleton in his closet and it has nothing to do with it being IN THE CLOSET! I'm not going to repeat it here because it could have just been a trouble maker, but it would have to do with some legal problems in the past.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 5:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

quote:

Kizz, he refused to sign the contract.




I haven't followed this story that closely, but I thought the producer guy said all contracts had been signed and Mario said it wasn't about the contract. Where did you hear he refused to sign?

If someone wants out at this stage, for whatever reason and contract or no contract, AI doesn't gain anything by not letting him go. While they might be able to "force" him to perform, they can't force him to perform well. They could sue him, a poor kid from Brooklyn (or the Bronx...)...but what would they really get? No money and lots of bad publicity.


Rslover
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11-19-2002

Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
There is nothing on The Smoking Gun yet.