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Archive through April 14, 2005

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Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Dionne was gay??????????????

Goddessatlaw
Member

07-19-2002

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 4:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hope he sings all the parts, Lady, especially the "Gallileo" part.

Goddessatlaw
Member

07-19-2002

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 4:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
SSswhhhhhh!! Maris, didn't you know that drug bust was to throw us off the trail of the real scandal? Don't tell, don't tell . . . especially don't let Whitney know that I know that you know, because she's got the same racket going.

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL @ New Zealand
LOL again @ Gallileo

Mamie316
Member

07-08-2003

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 5:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bo and Free Bird are a good mix.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Mama mia,mama mia,mama mia let me go-
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me,for me,for me-



Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 5:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Songs from the year you were born......

not a bad list for my year! LOL
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/58tunes2.htm

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 7:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Godess and Maris OHHHHHHHHHHHH good.

Highlighter
Member

09-03-2003

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 9:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for posting the AOL poll results. I don't get AOL, but I'm *really* curious about what the results look like after tonight's (Tues.) show!!!!

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
singer3/303/314/14/54/64/74/94/104/12
1pm
4/12
10pm
4/13
Bo714183128263840404036
Carrie4534292123282121242426
Constantine1616172121141616141315
Vonzell67755655455
Anwar57655755555
Anthony36665655555
Nadia57655755444
Scott56544643444



Alisons
Member

01-10-2003

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 3:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hope Constantine's numbers are lower because his fans are dialing!

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Even with AOL pushing Constantine, it seems more like the Carrie fans get going in the morning.. or.. because more of her fans might be in the south? I have no idea. And Bo remains in front for now.

singer3/303/314/14/54/64/74/94/104/12
1pm
4/12
10pm
4/13
Bo714183128263840404036
Carrie4534292123282121242426
Constantine1616172121141616141315
Vonzell67755655455
Anwar57655755555
Anthony36665655555
Nadia57655755444
Scott56544643444



Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What do the numbers mean? What's the question they're asked?

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 10:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The poll asks who you want to win. You click on their picture and then all the pictures slide around to be in order of votes.. the numbers are percents. You are encouraged to "vote again". and again..

But, starting last season, they don't list the raw numbers so who knows if all the votes count or now?

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Sea. So it's a probably a good indication of fan base, those who'd vote again and again on this would probably phone again and again too. Interesting.

Rabbit
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kitt, I believe the AOL poll has been notoriously bad in past years at predicting the evictions but is still interesting anyway. Right Sea?

Kitt
Member

09-06-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ah! Oh well. Yes, definitely interesting, I was pretty shocked the bottom five are so close, particularly as you hear so much about Anthony having his supporters.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 6:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rabbit, yes and no.. this season it has shown that, at least on AOL (and we have no idea how many people there are simply voting without voting by phone or text message, or even seeing the show) we see that apparently Bo, Carrie and Constantine have large fan bases.

But yes, indeed, I've always considered it "of interest" but not definitive

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 7:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK, I'm not spoiled yet for tonight and won't post until after west coast here, but then I have a new chart, showing trends just from when I've looked up and posted.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hmm well AOL isn't copping to tonight's results, so here is the AOL trend, which shows that we have to take it with many grains of salt..

I'm spoiled but no post show is reflected here, yet.

singer3/303/314/14/54/64/74/94/104/124/13
pre
show
4/13
post
show
Bo2231121111
Carrie1112212222
Constantine3323333333
Vonzell4446565584
Anwar5565656645
Anthony101074777756
Nadia7757444477
Scott6689988868
Total1110999888887



Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 10:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
AOL is having a technical snafu now that the show is over.. yes they have Nadia out of the running but if you vote for Vonzell it freezes and if you vote for someone else it works but Vonzell isn't counted.. so I'll check tomorrow.

But the percents at present, without Vonzell are

Carrie 45%
Constantine 26%
Bo 12%
Anthony 9%
Anwar 4%
Scott 3%

I do think they restart each week after the results show and each week someone shoots to the top but by the next day things settle down.. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bo much higher in the morning.




Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think my theory about the regionality of voting may hold up.. this week again, after the show, Carrie has a surge to first in the AOl poll but later on.. things change.

(poll still messed up and Vonzell not counting)

Less than two hours since Carrie was at 45% and Bo at 12%

Now

Constantine 34%
Carrie 26%
Bo 23%
Anthony 9%
Anwar 5%
Scott 4%

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 3:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It doesn't shock me terribly that the AI results differ so much from the AOL poll. We have long known the following about AI results:

1. It's regional. Southerners tend to do well. Every winner so far has been southern while Californians and northeasterners, where there are many more people, drop like flies. If Constantine wins this, as I now predict, it will break the Southern hegemony, but I thought at the beginning of the season we'd see a Carrie-Beaux finale.

2. African American contestants do much better on the show than they "do" on the internet. That's why internet users are so shocked--SHOCKED--about Ruben's victory or why Fantasia had relatively few supporters online (while Clay and JPL, for example, seemed to have insurmountable support). They imagine the internet as some kind of democratized place, when in fact it is and always has been predominantly, but not exclusively, bourgeois and white.

When I made my selections this year, I tried to keep those things in mind. I would have also tried to remember the power of the Hawaiian demographic (where regional and/or ethnic pride carried Jasmine much further than her talent could have, let's face it). I don't know how AOL's subscribers skew vis-a-vis region, race, economics, and willingness to sit there for two hours voting, but I have never thought they matched up well against the actual vote.

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 5:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Very good analysis Tishala. The Internet is a very different demographic than the viewers and voters at large.

Alisons
Member

01-10-2003

Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 6:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am not sure that it is the race issue online because I do not believe that only black people vote for the black AI contestants. I am as white as snow and ethnically Native American but voted for Fantasia constantly last year. Also, there is not a big enough percentage of black people in the US for someone to win (Ruben, Fantasia) without a large white (or non-black) vote. Why would non-black people vote for Fantasia on dial-in but not online? There has to be something more to it.