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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:35 am
I watched the show last night and read through the thread here belatedly today. (Whew, couldn't believe the number of posts! Phenomenal!) I think I am the only one again--this time, to be appalled by the skit that was really all about Paula and essentially made light of the situation with Corey and Paula. (Granted, I believe and you may not.) I thought the skit was in terrible taste, and that it was a new low even for AI. I have a great sense of humor and found it ugly and disgusting. What happened? Besides Bo axe-grinders, all the up-in-arms distaste and incredulity about voting practices have seemingly disappeared like a haze of smoke. As to the winner, I've never been a country fan, but I have to say that on Tuesday night, despite the judges' glowing words, I thought Bo performed abysmally in both his first AND second songs. Carrie, who I hadn't taken a liking to til the last two weeks (not speaking of her, but rather her voice)--outsang Bo as I thought she performed songs 2 and 3 (3 esp) extremely well. She simply outperformed Bo on Tuesday night. Now, if I thought performances had ANYTHING to do with the voting, then I'd say she won on that score, alone. But I have learned that is not how this deal works. Putting aside the question of fixes, the voting is overwhelmingly based on people's biases . . . hate country, love country, hate long hair, like long-haired rockers, etc. Last comment: I seriously don't know why people get so weird with 'my idol is better than your idol' discussions. Talk about manufactured, elementary school level nonsense. Besides, this is just one more plastic show--that spotlights one reality beautifully . . . that TV isn't (and never was) the place to find anything resembling TRUTH or INTEGRITY.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:46 am
I enjoyed this season for the same reasons stated by Maris, twisted panties and all. I really didn't invest in any of the talent so I didn't get my feelings hurt, but my 65-year-old mother, a Bush Republican mind you, was very unhappy when Bo (and Constantine) lost. Anyway who cares? Carrie will be a great Idol, Bo is going to have a marvelous career and we all still need to find something to do until Big Brother starts. Maris, I wouldn't start watching The View if I were you - I might like to snark about Mrs. Reynolds and her not-gay, newly unemployed husband, but the shrillness of shrews and harpies trying to out-shrew and out-harpie each other makes the show unwatchable from my standpoint. I'm more than happy to roll with Tish's summaries.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:52 am
KTTV, Los Angeles' FOX affiliate, just showed footage of Constantine being interviewed before the show by an Oklahoma FOX affiliate. The woman interviewing him asks if he can kick as high as their camera and he tries and falls FLAT on his butt. Like something you'd see on America's Funniest Home Videos or something. Anyhow, in light of all the negative comments about him being a diva, Steve Edwards, who was on the show last night, and Dorothy Lucy, the entertainment reporter for the show, talked about what a nice and funny guy Constantine has been on the many times they've encountered him. This just furthers a report on another LA news show, KTLA's Morning News, where the entertainment reporter Sam Rubin, said that the producers he talked to at AI were really shocked that Connie went so early because he was a fav of the producers.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:54 am
In a twisted way (staying with the current theme of twisted things!) I do find it entertaining how obsessed people get with their choice winning. And, why not …. some have invested hours of their personal time and effort on seeing it happen. Ironically, that is exactly what the producers want – and now they hope that Bo’s fans go out and “prove” that the winner really was Bo by buying lots of CDs. And, of course, they want Carrie’s fans to do the same. I thought that Carrie was a deserving winner and I’ve enjoyed watching her all season. I also like Bo as well. It’s almost impossible to compare the two as their styles are so different. And, I agree with everyone who has suggested that this result works out perfectly for both of them. It gives Carrie the support she needs as a developing performer, it gives Bo more latitude to shape his career and it gives Bo fans the opportunity to “prove ‘em wrong!” which as I said is exactly what the producers want.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:56 am
And you know what, I think that is the bottom line...this is a television show and what it does is get some young people who might have not ever gotten that huge national kind of exposure a great opportunity. And I agree - I think Carrie will represent "American Idol" well (did she remind anyone else of a beauty contest contestant in the last few minutes? - I expected someone to put on a crown and hand her a bunch of roses) and I think Bo will catapult into a great career. At least that is my hope. And as for Carrie - I'm still out on what her long-term prospects will be. I guess having spent years around local country music venues I've seen a lot of girls like her - she has a great voice but she still doesn't have the "IT" factor that truly will put her in the top echelons of this kind of business - although she certainly has a HUGE boost with the American Idol title. She seems like a great girl though and I wish her well.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:56 am
Whew - I can see I missed the fun in this thread last night while watching our Tivo-d Lost finale! I totally enjoyed this season and if Paula does not return to AI, I will miss the heck out of her. Her "doggie" dance at the mixing board while "producing" Randy's "Dog-tics"... priceless! Carrie & Bo will both have great careers - they were my personal choice for a final two, so I have no disappointment in the outcome. A fun, fun, fun season. Now, what the heck do we do until Big Brother? Kathy Hilton's reality show....?
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:59 am
The song Independence Day does not have anything to do with patriotic politics. It may have a catchy chorus, but it is sadly about child abuse and the child's "independence day" when she kills the father by burning the house. Read the lyrics and quit jumping on any little thing to bash/judge someone. http://www.songlyrics.com/song-lyrics/Mcbride_Martina/The_Way_That_I_Am/Independence_Day/134439.html
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:59 am
I love Carrie and Bo!! One thing about last night that bothered me was when they had the one chick from the original auditions who was singing the Star Spangled Banner and then had her come out on stage to finish it. They had given her a makeover and she did look nice but she still couldn't sing. Ugh... I thought it was mean because people were laughing at the tape of her shouting out the song and then out she comes! At least they didn't continue laughing and started applauding.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:04 am
I agree Denecee. I also was creeped out--maybe I'm old fashioned--that everyone was SITTING instead of standing for the national anthem, which is all the more reason not to have a "joke" performance as the National Anthem. And then they gave her a standing ovation when she came out, which seemed so signify that the singer was more worth standing for than the Anthem itself.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:05 am
Wow Beachcomber .... someone who actually listens to the lyrics! (Not listening to lyrics is a pet peeve of mine. I've lost track of how many sincere song dedications I've heard to loved ones, where the song is about breaking up or some equal misfortune. )
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:12 am
I know Jimmer, lets face it one of Carrie's Rockiest moments was when she Sang McCarthur Park.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:30 am
Ok, I'm checking in late too... I haven't read all the posts but it sounds like Bo fans are up in arms and that C word is making the rounds again. (conspiracy) Seems funny that non-Bo fans were doing the same thing for the past few weeks, and now Bo fans are doing it. Being a huge Bo fan - and a Carrie fan - and an AI fan. I don't believe the show is fixed, there are no conspiracies. You just can't guess the outcome with that many millions of votes. I'm happy Carrie won - she was so great and so cute with Rascal Flatts last night. (I'm a RF fan too) I knew if Bo lost he would take it exactly the way he did - now he can work with Clive Davis sooner. I think Bo and Carrie genuinely like and respect each other, and either outcome would have been great. OK, my thoughts on the finale:
The first half hour was a yawner.
Skit - loved it! Randy was so funny!
I about died when that girl came out to do the national anthem. She's a cutie though.
Thank goodness they didn't show any long clips of the psycho blonde chick.
The two buddies, Adam and somebody? Anyway, I literally screamed when they were there and Hasselhoff came out! Hee-friggin-larious! Performances- all great- forgot how good Jessica and Lindsay sound - still don't know why Nikko got voted out so early. People- Latoya London - Bo Brice? Hope that was a slip-up. Why doesn't she have an album out? I love her! Matt Rogers- Miss him! Would have liked to see past winners there, and people who have albums out. Josh Gracin has a moderately successful country album out- would have been great to see him. Some of this years finalists: Mikalah: the next Britney - thought she was about to jump Babyface's bones right there on the stage. Anwar: Miss him! But what was with the hair, first it looked short, then it's long again? I'm confused. Anthony: Miami Vice was a popular show in the 80's, it led many men to dress like Don Johnson. The style went out as fast as it came in. It is not coming back. Constantine: He just makes me smile, I can't help it. Nikko: Drew the short straw and got paired up with Scott, poor kid. Vonzi: Cute as ever up on that piano. Nadia: Still contriving those facial expressions - they're not pretty. All in all it was like going through your HS yearbook. I give the show a B+.
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Spygirl
Moderator
04-23-2001
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:35 am
Beach, the song is actually about the mother killing the father after history of abuse. Not the child killing the father.
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Carrie92
Member
09-15-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:58 am
Jimmer - that's exactly the reason I don't listen to those cheesy song dedication shows. That Delilah chick makes me want to jump off a bridge.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:19 am
Exactly .... I can't believe the stuff that people dedicate to each other. In fact, someone would probably dedicate a song about jumping off a bridge and say "this for my best friend ...." 
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:27 am
Thanks for clarifying that Spy, sometimes the fingers work faster than the brain 
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:39 am
Nonetheless, at least we are trying to listen to the lyrics! With respect to Ryan putting Carrie on the spot about interpreting MacArthur Park, I'm not sure how well most people would have done with that one. By the way, my four year old daughter loves Carrie's performance of MacArthur Park, the result of which I have now had the pleasure of hearing both Carrie and my daughter perform it numerous times! <looking for a cute icon that shows earplugs>
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:42 am
This season was very revealing to me because I never realized how dull it gets if your favorite was voted off. I liked Constantine and after he was gone I really lost interest. Every other year my favorite won. That is nothing against the winners, runners-up, etc. this year, they just did not interest me. I am sure they are all wonderful people and very appealing within their own fan base. Oh, but I did get the feeling that maybe the finalists were not rocket scientists (though no reason they should be.)
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:45 am
LOL! Jimmer I about spit my orange juice out when I read your last post!!! It reminded me of when I was in highschool and you could still by the little single 45 records. I was flipping through them, found one titled "My best freind" by some guy I had never even heard of. Well, I bought it and gave it to my best girlfriend(still to this day). The next day, she asked me if I had listened to it and I embarrassingly had to say no. She started laughing her butt off and went on to tell me it was about a man and his beer or dog or something. I have to admit that sometimes I have no clue what a song is about, I just know I like the sound of it.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:57 am
WHY CARRIE WON
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:31 am
Really can't argue with either one of those...good link Rslover.
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Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:41 am
The reason i believe that the show is fixed is because i have been counting the number of votes that i put in for the past three weeks and every week for the two hours voting i got in exactly 180 votes in for Bo, got the same amount of votes in for the first 2 hours this week but the last 2 hours i got in 340 votes, I have no doubt in my mind that the phone lines are set up to take in a certain amount of votes, No doubt about it, i will never waste my time on this show again.
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Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:45 am
And i don't have anything against Carrie, i think she's a great singer but i don't appreciate being made a fool of. next season if you guys are still watching and voting on this show, keep a tally of your votes.
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Highlighter
Member
09-03-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:53 am
Tish, I was thinking just that about Constantine. I think that, from the get-go, the producers had chosen a Constantine/Carrie final two: the rocker and the country singer. Both of them were highlighted in the very early rounds, and I felt it was clear the bias was towards them. I think Bo was a back-up rocker (remember during the final 32 or whatever, they had the rockers grouped together, as if the judges were supposed to pick from them). Somewhere in the middle of the final rounds, Bo started to outshine Constantine. The judges kept comparing the two, and at some point, viewer and judge opinion started swinging towards Bo. I think that is when they realized they had to boot one of the rockers in order to keep the other one in.....and it ended up being Constantine.
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 12:02 pm
well, i didn't vote until the finale. and then i put in 200 plus text messages (you don't have to worry about a busy signal that way). so i'd say you gotta count my votes that way also. ohhhh did i say who i voted for? CARRIE!!
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