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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 2:53 pm
GREAT article!!!!
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 2:58 pm
That just about sums it up allright Ladytex. I will say that overall this show seems to really have the pulse of the internet and I am betting that next weeks show wont be as nasty and meanspirited. They need to cut the Wednesday show to half an hour. I am glad though that Melinda got to say her piece. I think that what may have happened to Judd is that he was placed in the wrong row and Ryan got stumped. He was prepared to tell the row they were safe until he saw Judd sitting there and said they could relax.
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Marej
Member
09-20-2002
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 3:03 pm
When Ryan kept asking the judges all those time wasting questions; they all looked scared to death and didn't say anything; just mumble mumble. A freaking hour to say to 4 people you are out and hey, please sing a song for us. But Janay was awful when she sang. I agree about the advertisers.
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Hippyt
Member
06-15-2001
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 3:11 pm
Yeah,that article is right on. When Ryan did that to Judd everyone in chat said a collective "Huh???? That was mean!!!!" Mean spirited and painful to watch.
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Highlighter
Member
09-03-2003
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 3:34 pm
Why didn't they give everyone equal amount of airtime, or even close to it? Simple. Because they are trying to sway the outcome. I thought it in season two, and I thought it in season three, and I'll think it again. They know that familiarity gives contestants the edge and if they can't fudge the voting, then they find another way to sway the results.
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Scout
Member
01-20-2005
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 3:34 pm
Thanks for posting that article. It was great. I know American Idol likes to spark controversy just to keep everyone talking about the show, but maybe if enough people finally say enough, they'll stop the kind of thing they did last night.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 3:50 pm
Janay and Judd were on Good Day Live this am. And she said she could have cared less about singing at the end of the show, and boy did it show!
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:05 pm
pssssssssst. janay wasn't eliminated! heehee
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:20 pm
ok..the 2nd girl that got eliminated....
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:22 pm
Just proves the point Tish, nobody even knew the poor slobs that were eliminated., no sick mothers, no trachs, no son of famous ball player, not particularly pretty. I do think that the final group is orchestrated and I would really like to know how a huge bunch of them managed to pick stevie wonder songs, and how many of them picked so many bad choices, and all similar songs.
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Whoami
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08-03-2001
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:24 pm
Great article LadyT! I got the distinct impression that Sarah chose that song as a mental booster to herself. I can easily see someone her age using the lyrics (Get Ready, For Here I Come) as a "yea world, get ready cause here I come, I'm gonna be a star" kinda thing. I can see her using the words as inspiration. Then, as a farewell thing, there she is singing those same lyrics that she was using to inspire her to say goodbye. Again, I got the impression as she sang those words again last night, she was thinking, "what a load of crap. Yea right, get ready, cause now here I frigging go." Of course, I can't really know what went on in her head as she picked the song, and then as she sang herself off. But, that's just the impression I got.
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Herckleperckle
Member
11-20-2003
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:40 pm
Well, I have to say that I picked a good day to be sick! I am not nearly as steamed as you all, cuz I didn't witness it. Btw, I don't vote on whatever I've learned about each contestant at all--because I can't keep them separate at that point and don't invest in them because of their backgrounds. I vote strictly on whose sound I like. A lot of times I don't even look at the screen, but just listen. I think I listen better that way. That is not to say what compels the 'average' voter, however. Anyone know if that 'average' voter has ever been identified for us? You know, if these contestants were smart--and if trying out wasn't just a whim, they would have picked out songs in advance which they KNEW they could deliver. They'd practice for this like you do for an interview for a job. And, just as in real life, sometimes the interview goes well and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you're on and impress and sometimes you're having a bad day and who you are just doesn't come across. I think these young contestants already knew how mean-spirited this show could be and the chances they were taking. Doesn't help the day you're eliminated, though, I'm sure. What would I change? 1. Having the eliminatees sing after they hear the news. Cut that. Now, if they knew in advance and could prepare, they could show the voters they were dead wrong--and might even snag a contract from some producers watching. But on the cusp of being eliminated, how could they do anything but fall apart? That is cruel. 2. Basing elimination upon 1 song on one particular day! Change that. I'd rather see 2-3 clips of songs each delivered (the bad and the good) and then decide. Right now, what we have is not a true measure of their talent, because I like all of them (well, except for Mikalah)! I think it was a better measure of their confidence and experience. 3. The Wednesday hour-long format. I'd change it to a half hour show, as others have already suggested. Less theatrics from the producers, who I am sure are directing Ryan and the judges. Btw, I am hoping Ryan explains the handling of Judd, in particular. P.S. Thanks Mak and Rabbit! I'm back to typing 2-handed, but I'm still not up to snuff on speed with my left! ETA: Unless I am mistaken, as in past shows, the eliminatee always sings the same song as he or she last performed.
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Babyboo
Member
06-16-2003
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 4:42 pm
I think she picked the song because it's a good fun song to sing, i thought she done a pretty good job with it except for that silly stance she had while performing it.
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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 5:33 pm
i believe in past years, anyway, the contestants are given a list of songs which they may choose from to sing. that is probably why several ended up with stevie wonder and motown songs. those we know have been approved from previous years. i've never heard about half of the songs that each group performed.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 5:40 pm
exactly Jbean, they are given a list of songs. So they pick from the list and then are told that they chose safe songs. I think the audience should be privy to the list of songs that they have to chose from. Then we would know if it was hypocritical of Randy and Paula to say someone picked a safe song. Is each person given a separate list? Are people given a list that pretty much places them out of the running? Are some given songs that will shoot them to the front and center?
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Highlighter
Member
09-03-2003
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 7:10 pm
Oooooh, Maris, a good conspiracy theory; hadn't thought of that one yet I like a lot of the songs that are considered "safe" because they are fun to sing along to-they are easy to "emote" with. I think what makes the difference is when the singer "owns" them, as in sings parts that are different from the original. It's easy for me to sing in tune with a song-and sometimes I can even make up my own little doodad in parts, but the best singers can take off with it. I think that is the big difference. I think "singing a safe song" is the wrong way to word it; "singing it safely" is more accurate, IMNSHO ;) In the early singing, many of those singers showed amazing voice control, but when they sang the "safe songs" this week, although I personally really liked the songs, I don't think they showed off their voices well. Does that make sense? (I think that's one reason I really liked Jared-I didn't know the song, so the beauty of it was novel to me)
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 7:13 pm
yes it makes sense, but it is Paula and Randy who keep harping on them with the criticism that they picked a safe song. Doesnt matter how well they sing it, as far as they are concern -- the song was a safe one.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 8:08 pm
here is what i emailed to fox.... re: American Idol Elimination Show how sad how they stretch this show out and get a contestant's hopes up by letting them think they are 'safe' and then just letting them have it, i.e., "judd, you are out!" this show is about ratings, right? well, you are potentially losing a lot of viewers. the guys and gals of AI work hard and do not need to be ridiculed by this asinine joke of an elimination show. i have little desire to watch the rest of this year's episodes--who wants to watch someone be humiliated? next year, i think i will watch the auditions and then just wait to the end to see who won the whole damn thing. it is not enough that simon (who got a huge raise to go on the second year and, really, who wants him in the first place?! please call me, as i would do the whole thing for a mere 25k per season...)well, simon treats humans like garbage, but to have ryan have to put on the show he does with the elimination process is just a travesty. if the term "elimination process" sounds a lot like a euphamism for s#it, well, there's a reason for it. it is an embarrassment to both contestants and viewers. you should be ashamed of this programming........if it's ratings you want, you are going the wrong way. there should also be one vote per phone line, not this group of students calling in incessantly for anwar, for example (not that he's not good, but he has a built-in fan base many other contestants don't have). one vote per phone line would be best. otherwise, it's a finger-dialing contest, not necessarily real talent. you should probably reconsider how this show is done. it's not making many viewers happy at this point to watch talented youth be humiliated and then HAVE TO SING, for heaven's sake, when all they want to do is crawl under a blanket and cry... have some feelings here and you will have a better crowd watching. the talk on the boards is that people are disgusted with how this show is done. wise up....
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 8:12 pm
I think my dear old MOM has this figured out. Ryan was trying to do a Donald Trump. Instead of saying "you're fired", Ryan was saying "you're out!" in a similar abrupt tone. ** Every season we hear the judges say POOR SONG CHOICE, yet we know that the contestants have all kinds of vocal coaches and people helping them before the show. Surely SOMEONE should tell them that it is the WRONG SONG choice?? Maris tells it as it IS! Just proves the point Tish, nobody even knew the poor slobs that were eliminated., no sick mothers, no trachs, no son of famous ball player, not particularly pretty. Last year was just as bad though. Remember Fantasia's family being shown OVER and OVER ad nauseum? and then the baby brought on stage...well, she had the win in the bag after that publicity stunt LOL
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Friday, February 25, 2005 - 7:17 am
American Idol 4 cuts called "cruel." New York's tabloids have twin stories today detailing the cruelty of American Idol 4's first four eliminations. As the New York Daily News reports, "Judd Harris, a 27-year-old NYU student, was led to believe he was safe, only to be axed." And Ryan Seacrest "appears to be channeling 'Project Runway's' Heidi Klum when he tells contestants, 'You're out!'" Some fans are revving up their keyboards to express their disappointment online; The New York Post reports that one fan wrote, "I felt it was extremely mean, and while I'm sure they were going for the dramatic effect, these are young people with hopes and dreams. To crush them like that was abominable." And the Post calls this "the show's suddenly cruel turn," titling its piece "How can Idol be so mean?" All of this begs the question: What were these fans and journalists thinking as they watched with furious onanistic delight as a parade of delusional singers are humiliated during the audition rounds? http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/american_idol_4/2005_Feb_25_cruel_cuts
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Hotlantan
Member
02-24-2005
| Friday, February 25, 2005 - 8:30 am
I'm sorry, but those eliminations were a Schadenfreude delight! Top ways Ryan could have been even *more* cruel to Judd: 3. Move, Judd! Get off the stage! Get off the stage! I said get off the stage! [/Ludacris] 2. The results are in... and Judd... you are NOT the idol. [/Maury] 1. Get out (leave) right now, it's the end of you on TV/ It's too late (now) and I cant wait for you to be gone. [/JoJo]
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Friday, February 25, 2005 - 8:33 am
LOL Hotlantan, welcome back!
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Friday, February 25, 2005 - 8:33 am
I would add: Who put that loser in the winners row, JUDD MOVE
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Llkoolaid
Member
08-01-2001
| Friday, February 25, 2005 - 9:32 am
Idol has always been a popularity contest. I would like the judges to each have one veto of the audience vote that they must use or lose before, ummmm say the final 3. It would be nice to see them save someone because of the audiences poor choices. Think Tamyra Grey and Nikki McGibbon for example. Also, they have picked the top people long before the show airs, how about equal airtime for the top 24. They edit everything else, they could do this.
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Scout
Member
01-20-2005
| Friday, February 25, 2005 - 10:42 am
Good letter, Tabbyking - agree with all of it. Texannie, I liked the article. That last statement that the writer made about where were the fans during the auditions? I've never liked that part either - especially when they would laugh at someone who was utterly clueless and they would come out sobbing. I generally skipped over the early auditions because of it. I think that the reason fans are reacting so strongly is because it's just gone so far. If they start out that cruelly the very first week, what will they have to do the next to top it? I keep wondering whatever happened to that sixteen year old from last year. Can't remember his name, but every week the judges would just crucify him, but the public kept him in. I've often wondered if his self-esteem could ever recover from standing up there knowing he wasn't as good, but knowing he had to stay and keep getting humiliated by the judges. If he had been a little older it would have helped, but to be sixteen, on national television and getting ripped to death every week has got to have a lasting effect.
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