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The TVClubHouse: American Idol/Canadian Idol/Other Talent Shows ARCHIVES: American Idol IV: ABC Expose about Idol (ARCHIVES): Archive through April 25, 2005 users admin

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Hobbs
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08-05-2002

Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
From Variety.com

Inside Move: Alphabet aiming directly at 'Idol'
ABC looks to knock hit skein off pedestal

By JOSEF ADALIAN

Just in time for May sweeps, ABC News' "Primetime Live" is working on a potentially explosive expose on the Fox phenom "American Idol."

Exact details of the report are still in flux, since Alphabet staffers are still in the process of reporting the story and vetting details. It's believed, however, that the report -- in the works for several months now -- will take a hard look at the relationship between "Idol" judges and contestants.

Depending on the final results of the investigation, insiders said ABC may air the report as a special single-topic edition of "Primetime" and make it a key, heavily hyped sweeps event. Special could air outside the show usual ultracompetitive timeslot of 10 p.m. Thursdays -- perhaps on a Wednesday night at 10.

Insiders confirm that Fox and "Idol's" producers have been contacted by ABC News reps, who've said the net is working on a story about the show. ABC hasn't asked Fox or the producers to respond to any allegations, the insiders said.

Though it may seem odd that an ABC newsmag would devote serious resources to a competing net's crown jewel, the huge ratings for "Idol" have made it fodder for numerous newsmag stories on other nets over the years. Indeed, in past seasons, "Primetime" has devoted entire hours to very flattering portraits of "Idol" contestants.

An ABC News spokesman refused comment.

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow, Talk about desperation. ABC News staffers must have the sweatiest palms in the industry right now. :-)

Nevertheless, of course I'll watch!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm going to get very pissy if I find out that Clay should have won instead of Ruben. (Even though Clay is obviously better off coming in 2nd.)

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 11:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
knew that was coming ...eyes

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Didn't even have time to start the betting pool, LadyT. :-)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 3:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris posted this in another thread, but it fits here too.


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Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 3:17 am
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CNN just reported that the ABC show about IDOL will not only reveal that Paula had an affair with Corey, but she had an agreement to help fund his career to the tune of two million. Tom O'Neill also said the show would make accusations about Simon having flings with some of the female contestants.

Randy - no dirt on him. Apparently The show will make allegations as well that American Idol is fixed to the extent that the judges influence and decide who they want to win. Big surprise there.







Sadiesmom
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03-13-2002

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 5:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, there are a few of my favorite suspicions:

The talent is seeded - Last year, Fantasia did not wait for 3 days, but just walked in an auditioned, Carrie, although presented as a farm girl has a band and has been touring for years and has recorded in the past.

The talent is not fresh - A lot, and I mean a lot - have appearred on Star search first.

That the reason they raised the age limit this year was because they wanted a female winner last year and told some male to come back this year, but he would have been too old.

They are using "art" rather than "science" to remove the mass dialers' votes.

That the scenes of personal life are scripted - Corey and others in AI2 was paid to go out drinking, people were offered money to pair up for "story", not that they accepted. The personal clips this year included Farm boy, who lived in a city, but his father rented a farm and animals for a background story.

I am sure there are others.

<QT>

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 5:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Who was the guy?
What is art rather than science??

Sadiesmom
Member

03-13-2002

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I suspect the "guy" asked back (this is a theory) was Mario.

Art is - -HMMMMM these look like autodialer votes
VS
Science - - Ok take V many calls from the same number divided by X and multiplied by Y and if the result is greater than Z, these must be auto dialer votes and we should throw out all votes from this number.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

thanks. what a bust that turned out to be.

ack math! LOL

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, who is Corey?

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
they said Corey had beat up his sister, assaulted four cops and apparently was charged with passing bad checks. He left American Idol when all this came out.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did we see him as a contestant early on? I don't remember the name.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He was last year, Herc.

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Texannie. I will have to look him up in the AI site archives--if still there. Don't recall him at all.

Sadiesmom
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03-13-2002

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Corey was AI2.

<QT>

Herckleperckle
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11-20-2003

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I found the story and pics of him. I remember him now!

corey clarkcc


Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 8:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know, I really don't care about all this stuff. In the end it usually comes down to the two best contestants (although I thought there were stronger women than Diana last year but Diana was certainly good) and you can make an argument for either of them as the winner. Ruben at the time of the competition looked like he was going to be the bigger star - appealing more to the younger viewers - so who knows? I think the best people usually do well in the end whether they are the final winner - they receive a huge amount of publicity and "face time" - invaluable on national television.

Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The only think that bothers me was how the whole feel of the show has changed in the 4 years. It was meant to be a contest for the best untapped resource America had to offer. I really feel they accomplished this the first two years. Now, everyone has some old band or record deal or something. I feel they've changed the rules midway through to accomodate these folks to get better "performers."

I remember reading Amanda Avila was a backup singer for Smokey Robinson, Mario sang with Michael Jackson, and Constantine has a cd coming out. It ruins it for me.

I think thats why I like the Michaela's and John Stevens- because they are true amateurs and you can tell.

Whats to stop a record company from saying to some one, "hey, we want to sign you but go on AI first for exposure and then come back to us?" It costs them nothing and the nation gets to see their star on the #1 show in america. They don't even have to go very far to get exposure i.e. Mario.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Whats to stop a record company from saying to some one, "hey, we want to sign you but go on AI first for exposure and then come back to us?"


You are absolutely right. I agree it isnt the same show it was three years ago.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good point there Fabs.. The company putting out the cd for Constantine's band got a pre-pumped market for the cd by having Constantine on the show week after week. I read somewhere that this is the same company that put out the William Hung cd.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<QT>

FWIW, Fantasia maintains that she waited to audition last year. Until she says differently or there is proof--not conjecture--to the contrary, I will believe her.

Kaykohl
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05-10-2004

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just found out about this group yesterday.

VOTE FOR THE WORST is an online group that has a mission to disrupt the outcome of the voting results. Their concerted effort is to power vote for the contestant that would have received the least amount of votes. These people are going onto different AI message boards and posting messages that will pit contestant’s fans against other contestant’s fans by making outrageous statements. They are also making positive statements about contestants then heartlessly blasting them over at votefortheworst.com. Scott seems to be their particular target right now and vicious malicious statements are being posted about him. There are postings also about keeping contestants in from previous seasons.

Although there is no proof that this group actually has the impetus to skew the results, they believe they are effective and are gleeful about. They even boast of their effort that put the three divas in the bottom three last years.

They were originally focused on Constantine because they believed he was the worst, but switched to Scott after his background was reported. There is also talk about keeping Mikala in longer that she should have been.

I am a big Constantine fan, so I guess I have to thank them for keeping him in long enough for me to start noticing him. I believe Nikko, Nadia, and Anwar’s elimination were a result of this group,and I fear their next causality will be Vonzell. So I intend to make sure she has half of my vote this week.

It anyone is interested their site is votefortheworst.com

Sassynegal
Member

01-21-2005

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I guess I don't get thier purpose

Alisons
Member

01-10-2003

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If I recall correctly, Fantasia waited for a long time, needed food, then when she tried to come back in someone stopped her and told her to go away. She found some guard that she had been talking to previously at another entrance and then he let her back in to audition. I remember her telling that story somewhere but I am not sure it was on the show, it may have been an interview afterwards.

The Constantine CD is his former bandmates cashing in on him. They have posted repeatedly on other BBs saying that they are "artistes" and "don't believe that music should be about contests." Umm hmm, took them 5 whole seconds to get that CD to a distributor. Supposedly Constantine had to sign over the rights to them prior to the competition.